Speaker 1: Aj Minter has been traded to the Minnesota Twins. Coming
Speaker 1: back to New York Mets. We've got Brewin Agbayani, Benny
Speaker 1: Agbayani son, and Billy Amick, a first baseman that was
Speaker 1: in double A. We're gonna talk about everything going on
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Speaker 2: I mean this was an aj Minter trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy to do this podcast, and I'm very
Speaker 3: fresh now on this trade. I have not been on Twitter,
Speaker 3: just did my research on the players. It feels super
Speaker 3: adequate for three months of a believer who throws like
Speaker 3: ninety two miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we were joking about it before because a
Speaker 1: lot of people online which probably shouldn't really be paying
Speaker 1: too much attention to it, but I am because that's
Speaker 1: the world that we live in. A lot of people
Speaker 1: underwhelmed by the package back, being like we got no
Speaker 1: big prospects. I don't know what you guys were truthfully expecting,
Speaker 1: Like you said, for two months of a life tended
Speaker 1: reliever throws ninety two miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Aj Minter's good.
Speaker 1: This is nothing against the quality of the player that
Speaker 1: he was, but he's like the nineteenth best, twentieth best
Speaker 1: left handed reliever in baseball on a rental. I just
Speaker 1: I don't really know what people were expecting back, And
Speaker 1: I do think that it was a pretty fair of
Speaker 1: like package back that the Mets got, And I think
Speaker 1: that there's even some like outside upside for what these
Speaker 1: guys could eventually be. But I understand why on the
Speaker 1: surface people are like underwhelmed. But if you take a
Speaker 1: deeper look under the hood, you know why this was happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's basically just it's kind of something you've been
Speaker 3: saying a lot off air that you want from this deadline.
Speaker 3: Just give me a trait, give me something that a
Speaker 3: player is very good at, and see if you can
Speaker 3: do something with it. And between these two players, Brewin
Speaker 3: Agbayani is is a big piece in this deal. He's
Speaker 3: dealt with some shoulder injuries. He hasn't played much over
Speaker 3: since being drafted in twenty twenty five. Signed out of
Speaker 3: high school, Twins took him away from University of Michigan.
Speaker 3: He just makes an obscene amount of contact.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he has good back speed. His bat speed's
Speaker 1: above average. I saw it was very low. Oh well,
Speaker 1: coming out of high school. They said it was above
Speaker 1: average bats. That's interesting. But also they talked about I
Speaker 1: think at the combine he flashed like a one oh
Speaker 1: nine max exit velow as an eighteen year old, So
Speaker 1: that's something to keep an eye out onto. I think
Speaker 1: that being a contact plus guy this young is a
Speaker 1: lot better than when it's like a twenty four year
Speaker 1: old who's a contact plus guy, because there's room for
Speaker 1: development and growth. But yeah, it seems like a contact
Speaker 1: first player who's gonna maybe play second base, maybe shortstop
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but he's gonna need some improvement
Speaker 1: if he wants to stick there. But he's a he's
Speaker 1: a contact first bat for a guy that again was
Speaker 1: a two month rental.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just give me some again, very very small samples
Speaker 3: here of what he's done so far in a ball
Speaker 3: he has a ninety four percent zone contact rate and
Speaker 3: a fifteen percent with right Those are both some of
Speaker 3: the best marks at the entire level. But that's come
Speaker 3: with literally almost no power whatsoever. Again, not much sample
Speaker 3: here whatsoever, but that's that's kind of what this is.
Speaker 3: And he's a left handed bat, so at least in
Speaker 3: terms of player archetype, if you want to look at
Speaker 3: some kind of, you know, bench piece who can mix
Speaker 3: it in second base and also be a lefty bat,
Speaker 3: strong sideplatoon guy, that's at least something that you can
Speaker 3: see and you can squint in if a player like
Speaker 3: this can edd strength, get healthy off their shoulder, can
Speaker 3: maybe dream on being some kind of first division semi regular.
Speaker 1: And I do think that it's worth noting to like
Speaker 1: what he's been scouted as in the past two especially
Speaker 1: for a guy who hasn't played very much. So the
Speaker 1: scouting report is a little bit weird right now because
Speaker 1: you just haven't seen a lot of the professional level.
Speaker 1: But coming out of the draft, he was like a
Speaker 1: top four hundred player according to Baseball America, which basically
Speaker 1: puts him in like that top ten round range, which
Speaker 1: isn't too bad. They said at the combine he looked
Speaker 1: pretty good has a chance to stick at shortstop, but
Speaker 1: mostly going to probably move to second base or even
Speaker 1: the outfield. While he doesn't have like one carrying tool.
Speaker 1: The hand speed's good, the quality of contacts, good line
Speaker 1: drive hitter. These are things that if the Mets truly
Speaker 1: believe in their minor league hitting development, especially because he's
Speaker 1: a big dude. He's six foot two, like one eighty
Speaker 1: five close to two hundred pounds. Good power, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could find some power here. And you mentioned the shoulder injury.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get a lot of power when you
Speaker 1: come off of a shoulder injury like that at a
Speaker 1: young age, developing learning.
Speaker 2: I like the Agbayanni poll. Also cool because it's Dad
Speaker 2: Betty Agbayani. I like that. I like a good story
Speaker 2: when you trade a nothing for nothing.
Speaker 3: And again this is also seventy four play appearance is
Speaker 3: at low way. He's still nineteen years old, so a
Speaker 3: lot a lot of the story left right here. And
Speaker 3: then going to Billy Ammick. He played one year at Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Big power, big swing and miss a right handed corner.
Speaker 3: Guys who don't like that kind of player. Yeah he's
Speaker 3: gonna fait first base. Yeah, he's gonna be a first
Speaker 3: baseman who his for power and does tons of swings
Speaker 3: and misses, the complete opposite of bruin Agbayani, where whereas
Speaker 3: an amix zone contact rate amis just his zone contact
Speaker 3: rate seventy percent double A this year. At the same time,
Speaker 3: he's twenty three home runs and that's an eighty six
Speaker 3: games nearly four hundred played appearance is.
Speaker 2: So that's something cool.
Speaker 3: But he's just gonna he's good to swing for the
Speaker 3: fences and hope something good happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's flashed some eggs of vilos at
Speaker 1: like one twelve, which would be above average power. The
Speaker 1: swing and miss is definitely a concern, and again, he's
Speaker 1: gonna play like what we consider to be like a
Speaker 1: not valuable position when you're evaluating prospects, being truthfully at
Speaker 1: first base, but he's not gonna be at three base
Speaker 1: as already as alrighty, but going back to it again,
Speaker 1: like he was a top thirty player in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four MLB draft. Obviously, the swing and miss stuff
Speaker 1: is very concerning when you're looking at him projecting for
Speaker 1: the future, because if you're swinging and missing this much
Speaker 1: at double A, it can be a concern of what
Speaker 1: you would swing and miss at against major league pitching.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think that there's necessarily this big
Speaker 1: concern in terms of we traded aj Minter for him.
Speaker 1: I love to see that we got big power potential
Speaker 1: and that's something that we're gonna have to develop now
Speaker 1: is more back to ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again, it's the way it works for a
Speaker 3: seller at the trade deadline, not really in a great spot.
Speaker 3: You don't really get tons for rental relievers. It's just
Speaker 3: the nature of the beast here, so they get anything
Speaker 3: with mild intrigue. And also Amick was he was drafted,
Speaker 3: I have it right here out of Tennessee was the
Speaker 3: second round, sixtieth overall pick. He signed for the complete
Speaker 3: slid value of that pick. Like it's it's guys, you're
Speaker 3: adding to a minor league system that if one of
Speaker 3: them reaches the majors and gives you big contribution, like ah, sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also like this is gonna be a like really
Speaker 1: really crazy conversation now to have about the future. But
Speaker 1: like you gotta fill up your farm system with more
Speaker 1: capable players, and right now the bottom of the Mets
Speaker 1: system is super super weak.
Speaker 2: There's a big gap right now. Bottom is strong, the
Speaker 2: middle is weak. Well, the bottom is not really that
Speaker 2: strong either.
Speaker 1: I think the middle is stronger than it is the
Speaker 1: bottom because you look at the bottom of the Mets
Speaker 1: farm system right now, and it's like Marco Vargas, Cam Tilly,
Speaker 1: Antonio Jimas, it's a lot of I like Tilly when
Speaker 1: you're saying bottom, I'm thinking like the DSL guys.
Speaker 2: So there's the only guy's flashing on our system right now.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about I'm not talking about like in
Speaker 1: terms of age. I'm talking about in terms of like
Speaker 1: rankings across the publications, like from.
Speaker 2: Twenty to thirty. It's very very very.
Speaker 3: Open all Yeah, different conversations there. Yeah, which is again
Speaker 3: that that's just something that has not clicked over the
Speaker 3: last few years, which is a shame.
Speaker 1: If the Mets ever become a good baseball team again,
Speaker 1: these are guys that could be on the move to
Speaker 1: go get.
Speaker 2: AJ Mintors of the future to help us win games.
Speaker 3: Next year if we are good enough to want an
Speaker 3: aj mintor. Theoretically now we could possibly get an h
Speaker 3: Minter yeah for nothing. And last year we did this
Speaker 3: and this offseason, we did this, so we traded away
Speaker 3: a lot of those guys who you trade for AJ minters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just by as frank Ela Salt, like the what was
Speaker 3: the guy from Harvard? We keep forgeting that guy's name, Truan, Paul,
Speaker 3: Truman Paul. With these the guys you trade to get
Speaker 3: your AJ mentors, you're Louise Roberts, your guys that you
Speaker 3: add to a contending team. That's just nature of the business.
Speaker 3: We also have underdog MLBST. I think Michael Marino.
Speaker 2: Oh, really shout out her point, Mike what they cite him.
Speaker 3: With of Freddie peralta for George Walcow as a proposed rumor.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I like Walcow. He's got talk about
Speaker 1: a dude who has legit power. Walcow's got major power.
Speaker 1: I think he got like a sixty or seventy grade
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. Also, I'm biased because he
Speaker 1: was committed to the University of South Carolina, so I
Speaker 1: always love to see that.
Speaker 3: The name sounds like something that be on the game
Speaker 3: Cock baseball team.
Speaker 2: But he's a He's an Illinois boy through and through.
Speaker 2: Eighty grade raw power. Yeah, that's sick right now. He
Speaker 2: has a sixty grade power. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: He's never I mean, he's he's pretty. He's still striking
Speaker 3: out thirty two percent of the time in Hya. Probably
Speaker 3: i'd still shoot higher for Freddy. I think that they're
Speaker 3: gonna get higher for Freddy too.
Speaker 1: I think another one of the rumors that came out
Speaker 1: about Freddy Praulta over the last few hours is that
Speaker 1: the Mets are looking for a top one hundred prospect
Speaker 1: and another piece as well, exactly we've.
Speaker 2: Been saying months now.
Speaker 3: I think that that's nice that the reporters out there,
Speaker 3: possibly this is all smoked green stuff just for the
Speaker 3: Mets to put that's price out there. But it does
Speaker 3: seem like the Mets are going to get a lot
Speaker 3: more for Freddy Peralta than a lot of us Mets
Speaker 3: fans might think, which is nice because he's.
Speaker 2: He's a pitcher. He's still our best asset. He's definitely
Speaker 2: our best asset, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Especially to day, you just want something, your best traded asset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing what rental relievers are getting. It's not
Speaker 1: going to ever be particularly much, and the Mets don't
Speaker 1: have the elite rental reliever. They've got Luke Weaver, who's
Speaker 1: gonna be the best one that is available. But because
Speaker 1: the money, you probably aren't going to still get those
Speaker 1: top top prospects that Mets fans are hoping for. I
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I see, like the conversation about
Speaker 1: the returns back, Like, guys, you gotta know that it's
Speaker 1: not going to be getting the next great Mets outfielder
Speaker 1: or starting pitcher on the market this year.
Speaker 2: You're hoping that's for Freddy maybe Clay Holmes. Possibly.
Speaker 3: It's also the kind of thing, like we've talked about
Speaker 3: a lot, like the Mets really good chance leave this
Speaker 3: trade deadline without acquiring a single top hundred prospects.
Speaker 2: It's very possible, but it's.
Speaker 3: The kind of thing where like, hopefully by next July,
Speaker 3: you look at like the seven prospects the Mets got,
Speaker 3: you're like, all three of these guys actually are sneak
Speaker 3: into the back of the top hundred.
Speaker 1: And I think looking at what the Mets have done
Speaker 1: with their farm system over the last few years, even
Speaker 1: a guy like aj Ewing, who want when he came
Speaker 1: into the system, he was not a top one hundred guy.
Speaker 1: He just started to flash in the bottom top one
Speaker 1: hundred last year.
Speaker 2: Like, things can change very very quickly.
Speaker 1: And if the Mets do believe in the process that
Speaker 1: they have in the farm system, which has proven itself
Speaker 1: to be pretty good so far, get us guys, get
Speaker 1: us pieces, get us more people in there. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that by them trading and identifying and being able
Speaker 1: to hand pick the guys that they want, they see
Speaker 1: a vision with them.
Speaker 3: It's also kind of like, again, remember when we were
Speaker 3: in this spot last season as buyers rather than sellers,
Speaker 3: and we made a trade of Jose Boutteau, played Blade Tidwell,
Speaker 3: and Drew Gilbert for Tyler Rodgers, who still since then
Speaker 3: has been one of the best believers in all baseball
Speaker 3: in terms of effectiveness, And people like the Mets got fleeced,
Speaker 3: and all three of those guys are contributing very little
Speaker 3: at the.
Speaker 2: Magic level there.
Speaker 3: Honestly three of them are DFA candidates, yes literally. So again,
Speaker 3: it's just when you're in this spot as the seller,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more difficult to recoup value the
Speaker 3: buyer wins a trade deadline deal, Like I mean, except
Speaker 3: for my friend Zach Scott, like eighty percent of the
Speaker 3: time by A Scott. No, we'll talk about that in
Speaker 3: a second here, but that's just what this. So you
Speaker 3: have to try and get something that you think can
Speaker 3: grow into something it's not you're not going to get
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you guys do mercantilism
Speaker 3: when you were doing APUs history, like.
Speaker 2: I got it. I was APUs history.
Speaker 3: You're not getting finished products when you're making trades for
Speaker 3: relatively non value bleassets and rental relievers. Like, you have
Speaker 3: to get something that you can figure out some way
Speaker 3: around to develop, to grow, And eighteen months from now
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, Brunock Baiani's flashing at double A, Like
Speaker 3: that's the goal. I want to say that sentence on
Speaker 3: this podcast. By the end of next season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Be like ooh, like a top two hundred prospect Brewock
Speaker 1: Baiani amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like brun BEHINDI might actually have enough to mix
Speaker 3: in at the major league level of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Like, which would be great. And oh, who've been traded
Speaker 2: for him? Oh? Yeah it was aj Mentory.
Speaker 3: Oh Dan, that was cool that the Twins missed the
Speaker 3: playoffs by a game, like two games with him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then like, oh, Billy A.
Speaker 1: Mctriple a has thirty Homer, Sure call him up, see
Speaker 1: what's going on, See if he can be hot for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get a reliever for Billy Emick this
Speaker 2: offseason something like that. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: I think that the process is good right now. From
Speaker 1: the trades that we have seen, We're obviously gonna see
Speaker 1: a lot more. Might even be back later today to
Speaker 1: talk about some trades because I have a feeling Freddy
Speaker 1: Perlt is gonna be traded today.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want him to start tonight. He
Speaker 2: should not be starting to. I still can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: I have that.
Speaker 3: But again, like you're just not going to get monster
Speaker 3: returns for three months of ann Elie reliever.
Speaker 1: No, And I'm gonna prepare you guys to Brooks Raley.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be similar ish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless we can package Brooks Raley together with Freddy Pralt,
Speaker 3: which is why I've advocated for that this entire deadline
Speaker 3: coming through, and it does feel like there's more steam
Speaker 3: around packaging Luke Weaver with Clay Holmes together to get
Speaker 3: a near Pringe borderline.
Speaker 2: Top hunch ofd prospect kind of guy. That's how the
Speaker 2: Mets should should operate.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, Like at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we're not gonna talk too much more about
Speaker 1: this because it's an aj minter trade.
Speaker 3: But now you guys are sickos listening to us, so
Speaker 3: we love you. Yeah, and again quick fifteen minute and
Speaker 3: I hope you guys do the work day. I wanted
Speaker 3: to say, Zac Scott tweet really fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, So in case you guys didn't know, James and
Speaker 1: Zach Scott getting into it a little bit kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, so we shouted out Noah Danglar, he's a
Speaker 1: Mets fan, lives in the city, he's doing sabermetric stuff,
Speaker 1: and he had a good tweet that we literally read
Speaker 1: out in the podcast last week about the combined war
Speaker 1: of all the Mets bad players and how much money
Speaker 1: they're making.
Speaker 3: Yes, Polanco, Simeon, Sanga, the whole squad. And then Danglar's
Speaker 3: tweet was tweeting out about how upset he still was
Speaker 3: about the PCA have you bias trade? Which that was
Speaker 3: That was a funny moment for us to because remember
Speaker 3: on camera, I was freaking out.
Speaker 2: We were not.
Speaker 1: Happy because we saw we got Haavier bias. We're like ooh,
Speaker 1: and then we're like, please don't be PCA. And then
Speaker 1: the news came through and someone's gonna tweet us the clip.
Speaker 1: I know someone has it right now, so please tweet
Speaker 1: out if you can so we could use it.
Speaker 2: But it's we tweeted PCA, no oh, why did we
Speaker 2: do that? Holy shit? We were right? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that I responded to Noah because he was like,
Speaker 3: how did this trade happen? What was Zack Scott thinking?
Speaker 3: And I said, on you know, late night on Thursday,
Speaker 3: finished up my work on Wednesday, Thursday morning. Wednesday night,
Speaker 3: he talks about the new podcast every month you get
Speaker 3: an answer soon.
Speaker 2: That was kind of funny, little tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those where, like Zach Scott,
Speaker 1: if you are listening to this, I don't think there
Speaker 1: was any malice ment. No. I think it's like and
Speaker 1: you should be able to laugh about that, like at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: It also was really ironically funny that that day he
Speaker 3: went on Salakaya's podcast Yes talked about this trade in
Speaker 3: many other trades because he had a fruitful careers and executive.
Speaker 2: We had Zack Scott on ours and he talked about
Speaker 2: it too.
Speaker 1: This is what everybody wants to talk to him about
Speaker 1: because this is objectively one of the worst trades of
Speaker 1: the last five years.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's a shame that that becomes the lasting image.
Speaker 3: Of a guy who I did have a fruitful career
Speaker 3: in baseball front offices. Sound in front office and he
Speaker 3: responds to me, don't be a sarcastic prick to people
Speaker 3: who gave your pod their time.
Speaker 2: Fair. Fair, it's so fair, such a fair response. But
Speaker 2: also at the same time, like, can I have a
Speaker 2: little thickers that come on? Yeah? I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It kind of makes me feel bad like his ex Scott,
Speaker 3: like name searching. This is he really in the depths
Speaker 3: here because he hasn't following me. I don't follow him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Like you're like, I'm so sorry He'sax
Speaker 1: Scott to you, But also at the same time you're like,
Speaker 1: I hope, I wish you didn't take it personally.
Speaker 2: It wasn't meant to be a personal shot.
Speaker 3: It's more of like I'd be upset this made you
Speaker 3: feel bad because this is again, this is now his
Speaker 3: lasting image and that sucks.
Speaker 2: Yes, that sucks.
Speaker 3: So Zack Scott formal apology. Yeah, apologies. I bo the
Speaker 3: sarcastic preck. Sometimes I can be a sarcastic prick. It happens,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't meant to be that way.
Speaker 1: But anyways, that's all we got for your quick little
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes here on Mets stuff.
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