Speaker 1: I enjoyed Kevin. He's a sharp guy and a hell
Speaker 1: of a player to watch um and I shared I
Speaker 1: would have if I were him. I mean I was there.
Speaker 1: I played with Davis Love one year at Waste Management
Speaker 1: Phoenix Open and and I hit a T ball on
Speaker 1: eleven as good as I could hit one to a
Speaker 1: front left end. I had six iron in and Davis
Speaker 1: Love hit it miles past me. I hit a perfect
Speaker 1: six iron landing by the whole, went forty ft past.
Speaker 1: Davis Love hit a sandwadge a foot from the whole.
Speaker 1: Made Bertie. This was a whole locase that was inaccessible
Speaker 1: to me, And I thought, I cannot beat him. And
Speaker 1: you know what, He's in the Hall of Fame. And
Speaker 1: I sit in a chair and talk for a living.
Speaker 1: Power has always ruled and it will always rule. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean Kim and can't make a hell of
Speaker 1: a living and entertain us long the way. Another log
Speaker 1: five well by years time. Welcome to the fire Pit
Speaker 1: with Matt Jonella. Welcome back to a special production of
Speaker 1: The fire Pit episode thirteen B If You Will, a
Speaker 1: mini podcast put together after my recent interview with Kevin
Speaker 1: Kisner was coming off a third place finish at the
Speaker 1: Rocket Mortgage Classic in Detroit. Bryson D Shambo won the
Speaker 1: event at under, Matthew Wolf finished second. Kisner was third
Speaker 1: at eighteen under. But to say Bryson one was not
Speaker 1: really the story. If you watched or follow even a
Speaker 1: sliver of golf on social media, you know Bryson one
Speaker 1: by overpowering the golf course and the competition. As you
Speaker 1: probably know by now, D Shambo added weight, strength, tweaked
Speaker 1: his swing, and added eighteen plus yards of distance to
Speaker 1: his drives. I had Kisner on to talk about his
Speaker 1: match with Riggs and the Boys of the four Play
Speaker 1: podcast at Pinehurst. For more on that story, Part two
Speaker 1: of Riggs's ninety nine Days at Pinehurst will drop this Sunday.
Speaker 1: But before we get to talking about trying to beat
Speaker 1: a four man scramble squad for charity, Kissner and I
Speaker 1: had a short back and forth about trying to beat
Speaker 1: a guy who was out driving him by sixty yards.
Speaker 1: I took the D Shambo chunk of our conversation and
Speaker 1: played it for Brandon Shamble, analyst for NBC Golf Channel.
Speaker 1: Here are snippets of my conversation with Kissner. With Shamble's
Speaker 1: commentary throughout yev Are you good man? How you doing
Speaker 1: nice week? Yeah? It was good. If you had another
Speaker 1: eighteen holes, I think you would have want that thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody can ever be BiCon man.
Speaker 1: That's like video game golfer him right now? What blows
Speaker 1: my mind as you've got guys like I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of long guys on tour obviously Rory
Speaker 1: and and and the guys like you know, pen Now
Speaker 1: and DJ and stuff. How can this guy come and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden just at eighteen yards you know,
Speaker 1: on this incredible um as Cam Champ, nobody talks about anymore.
Speaker 1: You're how when he came out he was heitting a
Speaker 1: three thirty and three forty and now nobody even thinks
Speaker 1: about him anymore. I think what's caught everybody by a surprise,
Speaker 1: and there's so shocking is because there was there was
Speaker 1: a baseline. We knew who Bryson de Shambo was before
Speaker 1: and at the end of last year he said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come back. You guys are not going to recognize me,
Speaker 1: and we hear that all the time, but it's true.
Speaker 1: We don't recognize him, not physically and then not in
Speaker 1: its totality what he is as a player. He's completely
Speaker 1: you just you all these guys are unbelievably disciplined. They are.
Speaker 1: They're incredibly hard working guys who can almost do anything
Speaker 1: you tell him to do. But to see someone make
Speaker 1: that kind of leaps what everybody has cut everybody by surprise.
Speaker 1: And I understand the frustration of some of the shorter
Speaker 1: hitters because you know, I was one of them. I
Speaker 1: can understand looking at what Bryson is doing and thinking
Speaker 1: I can't compete with that. But they can't and and
Speaker 1: and Kevin certainly still can't too. Dude, this guy is uh,
Speaker 1: He's literally going to push the U. S j A
Speaker 1: to do something. This is going to be that. This
Speaker 1: is the this is the tip tipping point. There's no
Speaker 1: you can't. If he shows up to Augusta, if he
Speaker 1: makes a mockery of Augusta National after they've made all
Speaker 1: these changes, then you know, what's what would he do
Speaker 1: with thirteen? What? What? What? He'll just send it over
Speaker 1: the top of the trees. I know. Look, there's a
Speaker 1: definite before and after with him. So I'm very curious
Speaker 1: to see what Bryson does in major championships. He's had
Speaker 1: a fabulous run up to this year and not finished
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen in a major, hadn't finished better
Speaker 1: than twenty players. Um, so it's clear that he was
Speaker 1: missing something in the majors. But he I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if he was able to hit his irons as
Speaker 1: inaccurate as he did at the Rocket Mortgage and not
Speaker 1: suffer the consequences in a major championship. I would similarly
Speaker 1: be surprised if he was able to stray as far
Speaker 1: from the fairway. Even though we love to pretend there's
Speaker 1: no penalty Augusta National, there is. I mean there is.
Speaker 1: You get out of position and you pay a stiff
Speaker 1: penalty there. You can't just overcome your inability to get
Speaker 1: the angle with trajectory on every single hole. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he does at Augusta National.
Speaker 1: But you know, on thirty five approach shots at Rocket
Speaker 1: Mortgages thirty five out of seventy two, he lost strokes
Speaker 1: with his approach. So he was able to overcome that
Speaker 1: with the best putting week of his career. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: driven it better than he drove it at Rocket Mortgage,
Speaker 1: but he never putted that. Well, you chat. You take
Speaker 1: any player's best putting week on the in their history
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, and they're if they're decent, teed degreen,
Speaker 1: they're likely to win or come close to winning. So
Speaker 1: overlooked is the the unprecedented week he had on the greens.
Speaker 1: If he does that at Augusta National Shore, you'll be
Speaker 1: in the hunt, but you'll have to mix that. You'll
Speaker 1: have to overcome poor iron play, and he's yet to
Speaker 1: do that because his iron play is still a question mark.
Speaker 1: Maddie Maddie on eighteen at Detroit, I pounded it off
Speaker 1: the t and I ran through the fairway at three
Speaker 1: eighteen into the first cutter rough. Okay, three eighteen, that's
Speaker 1: a long way for me. Yeah, I had one sixty
Speaker 1: two to the hall. Bryson had nine yards. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. You don't need to play.
Speaker 1: I can't beat them unless I have eighteen butts, you
Speaker 1: can't beat them. I remember I was at the Pinehurst
Speaker 1: US Open and this was this was this would have been,
Speaker 1: and Tiger was thirty. Tiger played with Lee Westwood and
Speaker 1: Corey Paven Okay, Tiger Lee. Uh went every I followed
Speaker 1: fre eighteen homes. Every time there was a driver hole,
Speaker 1: it went like this, Uh Corey Paven, then thirty yards
Speaker 1: that had Lee Westwood than thirty yards had Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: You basically are Corey Paven at three eighteen right, and
Speaker 1: he's Tiger at three or whatever whatever that that's that
Speaker 1: he's at like three eight Oh yeah, I was sitting
Speaker 1: bas in the travelers. He hit two oh three balls speed.
Speaker 1: I mean if he went into the long drive contest,
Speaker 1: he would actually he would contend. If he extended with
Speaker 1: length of his driver, he would win. He had two
Speaker 1: hundred three boss speed. I got hit on the map
Speaker 1: every time too. But the other thing, like I said
Speaker 1: in the text, and he's putting. You know, those long
Speaker 1: drive guys can't hit irons and they can't put. This
Speaker 1: guy can actually put again, I understand Kevin's frustration. Kevin
Speaker 1: is a hundred and twelve mile in our club head
Speaker 1: speed hundred twelve and change. Okay, four years ago and
Speaker 1: three years ago two thousand seventeen, Kisner was one twelve
Speaker 1: and change. The Shambo was one seventeen and change. So
Speaker 1: five is an hour separated okay, but what what the
Speaker 1: Shambo did was making changes at a huge risk for distance. Hey,
Speaker 1: Kevin Kissner is a one twelve guy who who makes
Speaker 1: whose golf swing is built around hitting it straight. He
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a high distance um for club head
Speaker 1: speed deficiency. You know, he's a hut right, So he
Speaker 1: could hit it higher and and spin it less and
Speaker 1: get more bang for his buck with club head speed. Right.
Speaker 1: But if you do that, the ball gets slippery in
Speaker 1: the air and you risk any more fairways. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's a risk. He could also look Bryston made changes
Speaker 1: in his golf swing for power. One of those was
Speaker 1: to straighten his right leg and his back swing. Okay,
Speaker 1: straighten it very soon, okay, and get deep into his
Speaker 1: right here, deep into his right heel. Kevin Kissner is
Speaker 1: a He's a believer that you should keep your right
Speaker 1: knee flexed. Okay, if you keep your right neflex you
Speaker 1: will never ever swing as fast as you can. There's
Speaker 1: only one guy that really does that, and that's that's
Speaker 1: brook Kepta. Now, Brooks is a behemoth of an individual
Speaker 1: and very quick with his club head speed. But he's
Speaker 1: the only person I've ever really seen have that kind
Speaker 1: of power maintaining the flex of his right knee. But
Speaker 1: Kissner does that. Now, if Kidsner wanted to take the
Speaker 1: risk of straightenedge his right leg on his backs when
Speaker 1: lifting his left heel the same way Bryson changed right
Speaker 1: and making all those things, Kisner could probably pick up
Speaker 1: five mile hour club head speed. He could, but it
Speaker 1: comes with a huge risk. Okay, because look at Kissner
Speaker 1: has been on tour for an eon since two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: with the last two thousand fifteen two. Now he's only
Speaker 1: missed the Tour Championship once and he was forty six
Speaker 1: even that year, so his bad year is still good.
Speaker 1: He's making millions of dollars questions, would you risk that
Speaker 1: for huge gains and distance? That's what's amazing about Bryson
Speaker 1: de Shamba because most people wouldn't risk what Kevin Kisner has.
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player, umbill eviable player who
Speaker 1: would risk that risk all that to become a beheamoth
Speaker 1: off of the tea. That's what's amazing to meet and
Speaker 1: then pull it off. Now, Bryson pulled it off with knowledge,
Speaker 1: with science, with testing. He didn't just go into the
Speaker 1: gym and throw a weight around and change his body
Speaker 1: for vanity reasons. And I would even argue that only
Speaker 1: about five miles an hour of this club head speed
Speaker 1: that he's picked up is because of his body. The
Speaker 1: rest of it is because of his golf swing changes. Also,
Speaker 1: they look at that shot, you know, eighteen nin eight
Speaker 1: yards flew right in there, the three feet tapped it
Speaker 1: in the wind. That's over, man. I told my teacher,
Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago, I kind of
Speaker 1: saw this trend coming with all these young guys. I said, buddy,
Speaker 1: we better make hay the next couple of years because
Speaker 1: my time is running out quickly. Yeah, well, there's but
Speaker 1: that that you know. First of all, you'll always you
Speaker 1: can have you You're You're the type I mean, look
Speaker 1: at look at Charles how look at Jerry Kelly, look
Speaker 1: at there are guys who are just good, good at
Speaker 1: good at getting the ball in the whole. So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the ball in the whole, you can,
Speaker 1: You're gonna you can. You can have a twenty year career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't want. I want to compete and win.
Speaker 1: I can't stand like Charles Howe's career drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: I'd want to quit. And the guys made like forty
Speaker 1: million bucks or sixty million bucks, but I mean to
Speaker 1: finish thirteenth every week. I fuck that. I'm out. If
Speaker 1: I don't have if I don't have a chance, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to play. You know, there's all there
Speaker 1: will always be a handful of courses out there where
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin Kisner. You know, look Jordan's face. H
Speaker 1: he's only one mile hour faster. When Jordan had all
Speaker 1: those phenomenal, that phenomenal run, he was betweening one mile
Speaker 1: hour faster Kevin Kisner. So again, I get it, there's
Speaker 1: a frustration when you see that, but it's a knee
Speaker 1: jerk reaction. There's always gonna be room for people who
Speaker 1: play golf like Kevin Kisses. There's not many people that
Speaker 1: can't play golf like Kevin Kisner. But you look at Colonial,
Speaker 1: he won there, Hilton hit He's almost won there. Okay,
Speaker 1: the TPC players, the TPC uh Jacksonville, he's almost one there.
Speaker 1: These are the type of golf courses. Rocket Mortgages is
Speaker 1: a Donald Ross. There's there's there's seven, eight, nine, ten
Speaker 1: of those golf courses. And then he can still compete
Speaker 1: on longer venues. He just has to have extraordinary weeks.
Speaker 1: But power has always been a huge asset on the
Speaker 1: PG eight Tour, almost going back to the inception of
Speaker 1: the Varden Trophy. With very few exceptions, the people who
Speaker 1: win the Varden Trophy, people who have the lowest scoring
Speaker 1: average on the PGA Tour, are long with some modical
Speaker 1: ability to hit it straight. So there's always that's always
Speaker 1: going to be the case. But Kevin Kissler is racking
Speaker 1: up millions of dollars um. Look, this guy just came out.
Speaker 1: Colin Moore color Hey, Colin Moore Kawa is at the
Speaker 1: beginning of his career. Kevin Kissler is sort of in
Speaker 1: the middle of his careers thirty six. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he hangs in there another ten years, um. But Colins
Speaker 1: just beginning his and Collins outside the top hundred and
Speaker 1: driving the distance, and we we talked about him as
Speaker 1: a player who could be a superstar because he has
Speaker 1: a very well rounded game. Every fast of his game works.
Speaker 1: So you know, let's check back in ten years and
Speaker 1: we'll see what Colin Morcale has done. As this game
Speaker 1: has become even more insanely about power um than it
Speaker 1: already is because and I'm with Kevin on this, I agree,
Speaker 1: two hundred mile an hour ball speed and no, um,
Speaker 1: you know, Bryson couldn't compete in long drives right now.
Speaker 1: He couldn't. He'd have to get ball speed up to
Speaker 1: fifty um okay, and he's he gotta. You know, he
Speaker 1: got ball speed at Rocket Mortgage last week, so he
Speaker 1: wouldn't even snip competing, uh in long drive. Okay. They're learning,
Speaker 1: they're learning from watching how they create speed. So Bryson
Speaker 1: to Shambo just on the he was on the range
Speaker 1: at the bay Hill event of Nornal Palmer Invitational, and
Speaker 1: Eddie Fernandez, known as Fast Eddie, he's number one in
Speaker 1: the world from forty to fifty and driving distance okay,
Speaker 1: and that senior division he's number one. Now, these are
Speaker 1: the people that Bryson works with his longtime coach Mike Shay,
Speaker 1: but more recently with Chris Como and Chris Is. He's
Speaker 1: gone to Lucas Wald's School for Power. He went to
Speaker 1: Mock three School for Power. Talking to George Gankis, so
Speaker 1: you know the Mock three guys all learned from this
Speaker 1: fellaing in Kevin, Mary are so he's tapping into Como,
Speaker 1: He's tapping into Lucas, he's tapping into George, going back
Speaker 1: and tapping into the knowledge of Kevin, Mary car More Cook,
Speaker 1: Kella Mary Are And he's tapping into all that knowledge
Speaker 1: and then he and then he put it to work.
Speaker 1: It's really cool to see. But they're all learning from
Speaker 1: long drive guys. This goes to Jamie Slowski. How did
Speaker 1: Jamie Slowski? We weighed a hundred and sixty pounds, what
Speaker 1: I way have a ball speed about two miles? How
Speaker 1: did you do it? Well, they all learned from him,
Speaker 1: and then they mapped out They use pressure plates. They
Speaker 1: traced his pressure right, and they studied his golf swing
Speaker 1: and they use that with with sort of uh legendary
Speaker 1: principles of Jack Nicholas's Sam Sneed and they morphed them
Speaker 1: together and they came up with these ideas and Bryson
Speaker 1: is their getta pick and and up. You know, everybody's
Speaker 1: paying attention because it's cool. Well, we're rediscovery knowledge of
Speaker 1: the past, the golf swinger, Sam Sneed and Jack Nicholas
Speaker 1: and Vnehoven and they're using it now with a little
Speaker 1: bit of tweak that Jamie Silowski pressure plates, so you're
Speaker 1: now where all that comes from. And also you watch
Speaker 1: Bryson before he hits the golf shot and he breathes
Speaker 1: real fast. He does that, Okay, that's the prime his
Speaker 1: central nervous system. And then his fast back swing is
Speaker 1: to excite the muscles. These are things that he trained
Speaker 1: to do. He learned to do these things, hey, to
Speaker 1: to prime a central nervous system to excite his muscles. Nobody,
Speaker 1: you can go back and you used to listen to it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrating the the lessons, but was Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 1: Cities had never moved, but it did. Jack Nichola said,
Speaker 1: you couldn't swing the golf club back slow enough. Right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be set for tempo and rhythm
Speaker 1: and consistency. But if you're looking for power, Nobody in
Speaker 1: the long drive or the longest teachers, they're not taking
Speaker 1: the club back slow, Okay, They're zipping it back there.
Speaker 1: And they do that to excite the muscles. And to
Speaker 1: the degree that this game becomes more about power, you're
Speaker 1: gonna see more and more guys excite the muscles the
Speaker 1: way Bryson Shambo is that's what we've got going on
Speaker 1: are here, which is really cool. This is science and
Speaker 1: athletics and science and art. It's blended together. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's cool, but there will always be room for the
Speaker 1: Kevin Kissers of the world. You're doing whatever you're doing,
Speaker 1: you you look like you know, it just kept getting better.
Speaker 1: It looked pretty easy to me. I don't know the
Speaker 1: best shot. I hit all dabis on that part five
Speaker 1: and may Par hit it right at it with a
Speaker 1: three iron and went over the green. That was the
Speaker 1: moment I go, man, kiss has got it. Actual. I
Speaker 1: was actually texting with Riggs. I was like, this guy
Speaker 1: could actually if if if Bright and Bryson was in
Speaker 1: the what Bryson hit hid in the water on his
Speaker 1: punch out and I go up and then and then hee,
Speaker 1: there we go. Eventually we got to the idea of
Speaker 1: acknowledging Bryson's commitment to his craft. The part I didn't
Speaker 1: understand about, Like you know, I said in my interview
Speaker 1: when they asked me about and said, obviously he's got
Speaker 1: way too much time on his hands, but the world
Speaker 1: in a general would never put the time or effort
Speaker 1: in that he did to make this happen, So why
Speaker 1: are we not celebrating him? Like, holy shit, if I
Speaker 1: really want to work that hard, I could also hit
Speaker 1: three ninety. But I'm not going to. Okay, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: content with third place and how and a few kids
Speaker 1: and drinking a few beers at night. He's not. But
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like she asked me Amanda on on Sunday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, that's the consummate professional, right. He
Speaker 1: figured out what he has to do to kick everybody's ass,
Speaker 1: and then he spent the time to do it. How
Speaker 1: many people in this world besides you know, Tiger Woods
Speaker 1: and Lebron James and the late Kobe Bryant, actually took
Speaker 1: that much time to hone their craft in and be
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, I agree, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: applaud the effort he you know, i'd say when he
Speaker 1: said he figured it out, I mean, he didn't know
Speaker 1: it would work. He thought it would you know. It
Speaker 1: was hypotheses that uh that he that he tried out.
Speaker 1: You know, he went to the lab, got the beakers out,
Speaker 1: the buns of burners and went to work, you know,
Speaker 1: and and it and it and it absolutely it was
Speaker 1: really cool. To see. Um. You know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of other players who who've Yeah, I mean Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods is the most notable I think exception of building
Speaker 1: and destroying, but he was when he went from the
Speaker 1: best in the world, destroyed it, theyven rebuilt it. This
Speaker 1: is kind of like Nick Faldo going from a place
Speaker 1: of doubt and then recreating things, breaking them up because
Speaker 1: they weren't they weren't great, they weren't the best. They
Speaker 1: were good, they weren't the best. And so this is
Speaker 1: more along the lines of Nick Fouler or Marco Mirror,
Speaker 1: you know who who had some success but not great
Speaker 1: success in the professional golf and then broke it up
Speaker 1: and decided to take the risk. Along those lines, this
Speaker 1: is not I don't think personally, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is equivalent of what Tiger did you know? Tiger did
Speaker 1: you know? The object of sport is to be consistent,
Speaker 1: to dominate. That's what everybody dreams of doing. You can
Speaker 1: be consistent. There's lots of people like that, like Kucher
Speaker 1: and web Simpson. You can dominate, and not many of those,
Speaker 1: just a few, you know. We think VJ Seeing in
Speaker 1: two thousand four put those two together, and that's Tiger Woods,
Speaker 1: and then Tiger Woods willfully dismantled those golf games and
Speaker 1: they rebuilt them. That's the most mind bothering thing in
Speaker 1: the game. What Bryson has done is just taking all
Speaker 1: of the information out there about how to generate power
Speaker 1: and then assembling it and doing it. Look, it's not
Speaker 1: that it's I mean, okay, I mean, is it that hard?
Speaker 1: Phil did it last year at forty nine years of age. Okay,
Speaker 1: Cameron tor Gali to some extent, did it. Um. You
Speaker 1: know there there are players that are putting a joke
Speaker 1: all the time. You can look at Bryson de Shambo.
Speaker 1: You can look at his body transformation, that metamorphosis of
Speaker 1: zeke and you can go out. It takes a lot
Speaker 1: of time, it does. Okay, you don't really have to
Speaker 1: do that. Look at Bubba Watson. Bubba Watson hit it
Speaker 1: past Dustin Johnson, he passed Brooks kept it putting past in.
Speaker 1: It passed everybody. Biceps are that bigger round. Okay, Hey,
Speaker 1: he didn't go to the gym. You see him without
Speaker 1: a shirt on. You turn the other way. You don't
Speaker 1: want to look, Okay, And why does Bryson do that
Speaker 1: people want to say, well, he's got this freakish golf swing.
Speaker 1: They no, No, he doesn't doesn't have a freakish golf swing.
Speaker 1: He's not a freak athlete. He just has a golf
Speaker 1: swing that has all the elements of power in it.
Speaker 1: Maximize his shoulder tern, maximizes hit turn, frees up his
Speaker 1: lower body, gets his hands high. Okay, which allows you
Speaker 1: to have a full of shoulder turn, gives you all
Speaker 1: at the time to build speed. Dropped down extends guess
Speaker 1: who did that, Sam Sneak, Jack Nicholas, John Daly. You
Speaker 1: can go to the gym, do all that you want,
Speaker 1: and then if you resist, like brooks Kepka does, Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to go to the gym. Probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: because you've gotta be explosive. But if you can, you're
Speaker 1: gonna not do any of that and look like Bubba Watson.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Bubba Watson has a beautiful family
Speaker 1: and uh it doesn't spend two hours in the gym.
Speaker 1: So you know. What Bryson did was tap into the
Speaker 1: power elements of Bubba Watson's golf swing. He added some
Speaker 1: elements of accuracy, which with Jordan's speece and that's sort
Speaker 1: of the broken left arm and impact. So he blended
Speaker 1: power elements with accuracy elements. He did put in the
Speaker 1: time to sort of mesh those two and then he
Speaker 1: transformed his body. So yeah, but yeah, he's twenty six,
Speaker 1: Kevin Kissers thirty six. Bryson's at the beginning of his life,
Speaker 1: not married, doesn't have kids. To Kevin's point, but I'd
Speaker 1: argue the larger part of this puzzle comes from the
Speaker 1: changes in his golf swing, not the changes in his diseast.
Speaker 1: I always appreciate Brandell's analysis in place in the game,
Speaker 1: and the more you get to know Kevin Kisner, the
Speaker 1: more you appreciate his personality and fresh perspective. Later this week,
Speaker 1: we continue with Kissner his relationship with Riggs of Barstool
Speaker 1: Sports and the four Play podcast crew and the match
Speaker 1: they had at Pinehurst number two. Part two of Riggs
Speaker 1: is ninety Days at pine Hurst drops this Sunday. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, Last question, because I ask everybody who's a guest,
Speaker 1: what is your favorite fire pit? Do you have a
Speaker 1: place that you that's your favorite fire pit, HANGSZ one
Speaker 1: or or somewhere that that that you always like to
Speaker 1: sit around and with your best buddies. Well, I love
Speaker 1: the fire pit and a few of my hunting locations,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you one that most of you all
Speaker 1: have access that I think is the greatest in the world.
Speaker 1: Is that is that in Spanish Bay out there a
Speaker 1: pebble at the end, I mean, with the bagpiper looking
Speaker 1: at that ocean. That's one of my most favorite places
Speaker 1: in the world. And if if you can't relax sitting
Speaker 1: out there by those fire pits, uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you do it. That John Cook. I've had John
Speaker 1: Cook on and he said he said the Actually I
Speaker 1: probably two or three people have said the fire pit
Speaker 1: at Spanish Bay. I don't like the golf course. I
Speaker 1: love that fire pit, man, and the hotel is one
Speaker 1: of the best in the in the in golf. So
Speaker 1: I've never playing the golf course, but I don't mind
Speaker 1: drinking wine out there listening to that bagpiper, that's for sure. Kids,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I know I
Speaker 1: I went a little long, but I appreciate you man.
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for doing this. Hey, hey, next match,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll go and dust your ass them where you
Speaker 1: can bring your h shots up here and I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid to lose. I'm not all right, man. I appreciate
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