1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: I enjoyed Kevin. He's a sharp guy and a hell 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: of a player to watch um and I shared I 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: would have if I were him. I mean I was there. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: I played with Davis Love one year at Waste Management 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Phoenix Open and and I hit a T ball on 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: eleven as good as I could hit one to a 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: front left end. I had six iron in and Davis 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Love hit it miles past me. I hit a perfect 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: six iron landing by the whole, went forty ft past. 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Davis Love hit a sandwadge a foot from the whole. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Made Bertie. This was a whole locase that was inaccessible 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: to me, And I thought, I cannot beat him. And 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: you know what, He's in the Hall of Fame. And 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I sit in a chair and talk for a living. 15 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Power has always ruled and it will always rule. But 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean Kim and can't make a hell of 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: a living and entertain us long the way. Another log 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: five well by years time. Welcome to the fire Pit 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: with Matt Jonella. Welcome back to a special production of 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: The fire Pit episode thirteen B If You Will, a 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: mini podcast put together after my recent interview with Kevin 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: Kisner was coming off a third place finish at the 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Rocket Mortgage Classic in Detroit. Bryson D Shambo won the 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: event at under, Matthew Wolf finished second. Kisner was third 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: at eighteen under. But to say Bryson one was not 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: really the story. If you watched or follow even a 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: sliver of golf on social media, you know Bryson one 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: by overpowering the golf course and the competition. As you 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: probably know by now, D Shambo added weight, strength, tweaked 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: his swing, and added eighteen plus yards of distance to 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: his drives. I had Kisner on to talk about his 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: match with Riggs and the Boys of the four Play 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: podcast at Pinehurst. For more on that story, Part two 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: of Riggs's ninety nine Days at Pinehurst will drop this Sunday. 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: But before we get to talking about trying to beat 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: a four man scramble squad for charity, Kissner and I 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: had a short back and forth about trying to beat 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: a guy who was out driving him by sixty yards. 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: I took the D Shambo chunk of our conversation and 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: played it for Brandon Shamble, analyst for NBC Golf Channel. 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: Here are snippets of my conversation with Kissner. With Shamble's 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: commentary throughout yev Are you good man? How you doing 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: nice week? Yeah? It was good. If you had another 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: eighteen holes, I think you would have want that thing. 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody can ever be BiCon man. 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: That's like video game golfer him right now? What blows 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: my mind as you've got guys like I mean, you've 48 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: got a lot of long guys on tour obviously Rory 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: and and and the guys like you know, pen Now 50 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: and DJ and stuff. How can this guy come and 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden just at eighteen yards you know, 52 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: on this incredible um as Cam Champ, nobody talks about anymore. 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: You're how when he came out he was heitting a 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: three thirty and three forty and now nobody even thinks 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: about him anymore. I think what's caught everybody by a surprise, 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: and there's so shocking is because there was there was 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: a baseline. We knew who Bryson de Shambo was before 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: and at the end of last year he said, I'm 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: gonna come back. You guys are not going to recognize me, 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: and we hear that all the time, but it's true. 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: We don't recognize him, not physically and then not in 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: its totality what he is as a player. He's completely 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: you just you all these guys are unbelievably disciplined. They are. 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: They're incredibly hard working guys who can almost do anything 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: you tell him to do. But to see someone make 66 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: that kind of leaps what everybody has cut everybody by surprise. 67 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: And I understand the frustration of some of the shorter 68 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: hitters because you know, I was one of them. I 69 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: can understand looking at what Bryson is doing and thinking 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: I can't compete with that. But they can't and and 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: and Kevin certainly still can't too. Dude, this guy is uh, 72 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: He's literally going to push the U. S j A 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: to do something. This is going to be that. This 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: is the this is the tip tipping point. There's no 75 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: you can't. If he shows up to Augusta, if he 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: makes a mockery of Augusta National after they've made all 77 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: these changes, then you know, what's what would he do 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: with thirteen? What? What? What? He'll just send it over 79 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: the top of the trees. I know. Look, there's a 80 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: definite before and after with him. So I'm very curious 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: to see what Bryson does in major championships. He's had 82 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: a fabulous run up to this year and not finished 83 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen in a major, hadn't finished better 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: than twenty players. Um, so it's clear that he was 85 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: missing something in the majors. But he I would be 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: surprised if he was able to hit his irons as 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: inaccurate as he did at the Rocket Mortgage and not 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: suffer the consequences in a major championship. I would similarly 89 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: be surprised if he was able to stray as far 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: from the fairway. Even though we love to pretend there's 91 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: no penalty Augusta National, there is. I mean there is. 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: You get out of position and you pay a stiff 93 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: penalty there. You can't just overcome your inability to get 94 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: the angle with trajectory on every single hole. So yeah, 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he does at Augusta National. 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: But you know, on thirty five approach shots at Rocket 97 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: Mortgages thirty five out of seventy two, he lost strokes 98 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: with his approach. So he was able to overcome that 99 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: with the best putting week of his career. Okay, he's 100 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: driven it better than he drove it at Rocket Mortgage, 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: but he never putted that. Well, you chat. You take 102 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: any player's best putting week on the in their history 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, and they're if they're decent, teed degreen, 104 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: they're likely to win or come close to winning. So 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: overlooked is the the unprecedented week he had on the greens. 106 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: If he does that at Augusta National Shore, you'll be 107 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: in the hunt, but you'll have to mix that. You'll 108 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: have to overcome poor iron play, and he's yet to 109 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: do that because his iron play is still a question mark. 110 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: Maddie Maddie on eighteen at Detroit, I pounded it off 111 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: the t and I ran through the fairway at three 112 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: eighteen into the first cutter rough. Okay, three eighteen, that's 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: a long way for me. Yeah, I had one sixty 114 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: two to the hall. Bryson had nine yards. That's it. 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. You don't need to play. 116 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: I can't beat them unless I have eighteen butts, you 117 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: can't beat them. I remember I was at the Pinehurst 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: US Open and this was this was this would have been, 119 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: and Tiger was thirty. Tiger played with Lee Westwood and 120 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: Corey Paven Okay, Tiger Lee. Uh went every I followed 121 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: fre eighteen homes. Every time there was a driver hole, 122 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: it went like this, Uh Corey Paven, then thirty yards 123 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: that had Lee Westwood than thirty yards had Tiger Woods. 124 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: You basically are Corey Paven at three eighteen right, and 125 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: he's Tiger at three or whatever whatever that that's that 126 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: he's at like three eight Oh yeah, I was sitting 127 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: bas in the travelers. He hit two oh three balls speed. 128 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean if he went into the long drive contest, 129 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: he would actually he would contend. If he extended with 130 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: length of his driver, he would win. He had two 131 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: hundred three boss speed. I got hit on the map 132 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: every time too. But the other thing, like I said 133 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: in the text, and he's putting. You know, those long 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: drive guys can't hit irons and they can't put. This 135 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: guy can actually put again, I understand Kevin's frustration. Kevin 136 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: is a hundred and twelve mile in our club head 137 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: speed hundred twelve and change. Okay, four years ago and 138 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: three years ago two thousand seventeen, Kisner was one twelve 139 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and change. The Shambo was one seventeen and change. So 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: five is an hour separated okay, but what what the 141 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Shambo did was making changes at a huge risk for distance. Hey, 142 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: Kevin Kissner is a one twelve guy who who makes 143 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: whose golf swing is built around hitting it straight. He 144 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: doesn't even have a high distance um for club head 145 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: speed deficiency. You know, he's a hut right, So he 146 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: could hit it higher and and spin it less and 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: get more bang for his buck with club head speed. Right. 148 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: But if you do that, the ball gets slippery in 149 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: the air and you risk any more fairways. Okay, so 150 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: that's a risk. He could also look Bryston made changes 151 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: in his golf swing for power. One of those was 152 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: to straighten his right leg and his back swing. Okay, 153 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: straighten it very soon, okay, and get deep into his 154 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: right here, deep into his right heel. Kevin Kissner is 155 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: a He's a believer that you should keep your right 156 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: knee flexed. Okay, if you keep your right neflex you 157 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: will never ever swing as fast as you can. There's 158 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: only one guy that really does that, and that's that's 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: brook Kepta. Now, Brooks is a behemoth of an individual 160 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: and very quick with his club head speed. But he's 161 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: the only person I've ever really seen have that kind 162 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: of power maintaining the flex of his right knee. But 163 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Kissner does that. Now, if Kidsner wanted to take the 164 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: risk of straightenedge his right leg on his backs when 165 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: lifting his left heel the same way Bryson changed right 166 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: and making all those things, Kisner could probably pick up 167 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: five mile hour club head speed. He could, but it 168 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: comes with a huge risk. Okay, because look at Kissner 169 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: has been on tour for an eon since two thousand eleven, 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: with the last two thousand fifteen two. Now he's only 171 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: missed the Tour Championship once and he was forty six 172 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: even that year, so his bad year is still good. 173 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: He's making millions of dollars questions, would you risk that 174 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: for huge gains and distance? That's what's amazing about Bryson 175 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: de Shamba because most people wouldn't risk what Kevin Kisner has. 176 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player, umbill eviable player who 177 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: would risk that risk all that to become a beheamoth 178 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: off of the tea. That's what's amazing to meet and 179 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: then pull it off. Now, Bryson pulled it off with knowledge, 180 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: with science, with testing. He didn't just go into the 181 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: gym and throw a weight around and change his body 182 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: for vanity reasons. And I would even argue that only 183 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: about five miles an hour of this club head speed 184 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: that he's picked up is because of his body. The 185 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: rest of it is because of his golf swing changes. Also, 186 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: they look at that shot, you know, eighteen nin eight 187 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: yards flew right in there, the three feet tapped it 188 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: in the wind. That's over, man. I told my teacher, 189 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago, I kind of 190 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: saw this trend coming with all these young guys. I said, buddy, 191 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: we better make hay the next couple of years because 192 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: my time is running out quickly. Yeah, well, there's but 193 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: that that you know. First of all, you'll always you 194 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: can have you You're You're the type I mean, look 195 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: at look at Charles how look at Jerry Kelly, look 196 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: at there are guys who are just good, good at 197 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: good at getting the ball in the whole. So if 198 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: you're gonna get the ball in the whole, you can, 199 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna you can. You can have a twenty year career. Yeah, 200 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: but I don't want. I want to compete and win. 201 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: I can't stand like Charles Howe's career drives me crazy. 202 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I'd want to quit. And the guys made like forty 203 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: million bucks or sixty million bucks, but I mean to 204 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: finish thirteenth every week. I fuck that. I'm out. If 205 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't have if I don't have a chance, I 206 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: don't even want to play. You know, there's all there 207 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: will always be a handful of courses out there where 208 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: guys like Kevin Kisner. You know, look Jordan's face. H 209 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: he's only one mile hour faster. When Jordan had all 210 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: those phenomenal, that phenomenal run, he was betweening one mile 211 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: hour faster Kevin Kisner. So again, I get it, there's 212 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: a frustration when you see that, but it's a knee 213 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: jerk reaction. There's always gonna be room for people who 214 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: play golf like Kevin Kisses. There's not many people that 215 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: can't play golf like Kevin Kisner. But you look at Colonial, 216 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: he won there, Hilton hit He's almost won there. Okay, 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: the TPC players, the TPC uh Jacksonville, he's almost one there. 218 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: These are the type of golf courses. Rocket Mortgages is 219 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: a Donald Ross. There's there's there's seven, eight, nine, ten 220 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: of those golf courses. And then he can still compete 221 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: on longer venues. He just has to have extraordinary weeks. 222 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: But power has always been a huge asset on the 223 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: PG eight Tour, almost going back to the inception of 224 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: the Varden Trophy. With very few exceptions, the people who 225 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: win the Varden Trophy, people who have the lowest scoring 226 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: average on the PGA Tour, are long with some modical 227 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: ability to hit it straight. So there's always that's always 228 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: going to be the case. But Kevin Kissler is racking 229 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: up millions of dollars um. Look, this guy just came out. 230 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Colin Moore color Hey, Colin Moore Kawa is at the 231 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: beginning of his career. Kevin Kissler is sort of in 232 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: the middle of his careers thirty six. You know, maybe 233 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: he hangs in there another ten years, um. But Colins 234 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: just beginning his and Collins outside the top hundred and 235 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: driving the distance, and we we talked about him as 236 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: a player who could be a superstar because he has 237 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: a very well rounded game. Every fast of his game works. 238 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: So you know, let's check back in ten years and 239 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: we'll see what Colin Morcale has done. As this game 240 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: has become even more insanely about power um than it 241 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: already is because and I'm with Kevin on this, I agree, 242 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: two hundred mile an hour ball speed and no, um, 243 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, Bryson couldn't compete in long drives right now. 244 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: He couldn't. He'd have to get ball speed up to 245 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: fifty um okay, and he's he gotta. You know, he 246 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: got ball speed at Rocket Mortgage last week, so he 247 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't even snip competing, uh in long drive. Okay. They're learning, 248 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: they're learning from watching how they create speed. So Bryson 249 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: to Shambo just on the he was on the range 250 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: at the bay Hill event of Nornal Palmer Invitational, and 251 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Eddie Fernandez, known as Fast Eddie, he's number one in 252 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: the world from forty to fifty and driving distance okay, 253 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: and that senior division he's number one. Now, these are 254 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the people that Bryson works with his longtime coach Mike Shay, 255 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: but more recently with Chris Como and Chris Is. He's 256 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: gone to Lucas Wald's School for Power. He went to 257 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: Mock three School for Power. Talking to George Gankis, so 258 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: you know the Mock three guys all learned from this 259 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: fellaing in Kevin, Mary are so he's tapping into Como, 260 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: He's tapping into Lucas, he's tapping into George, going back 261 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: and tapping into the knowledge of Kevin, Mary car More Cook, 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: Kella Mary Are And he's tapping into all that knowledge 263 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: and then he and then he put it to work. 264 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: It's really cool to see. But they're all learning from 265 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: long drive guys. This goes to Jamie Slowski. How did 266 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: Jamie Slowski? We weighed a hundred and sixty pounds, what 267 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: I way have a ball speed about two miles? How 268 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: did you do it? Well, they all learned from him, 269 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: and then they mapped out They use pressure plates. They 270 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: traced his pressure right, and they studied his golf swing 271 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: and they use that with with sort of uh legendary 272 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: principles of Jack Nicholas's Sam Sneed and they morphed them 273 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: together and they came up with these ideas and Bryson 274 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: is their getta pick and and up. You know, everybody's 275 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: paying attention because it's cool. Well, we're rediscovery knowledge of 276 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: the past, the golf swinger, Sam Sneed and Jack Nicholas 277 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: and Vnehoven and they're using it now with a little 278 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: bit of tweak that Jamie Silowski pressure plates, so you're 279 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: now where all that comes from. And also you watch 280 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: Bryson before he hits the golf shot and he breathes 281 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: real fast. He does that, Okay, that's the prime his 282 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: central nervous system. And then his fast back swing is 283 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: to excite the muscles. These are things that he trained 284 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: to do. He learned to do these things, hey, to 285 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: to prime a central nervous system to excite his muscles. Nobody, 286 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: you can go back and you used to listen to it. 287 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrating the the lessons, but was Jack Nicholas. 288 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Cities had never moved, but it did. Jack Nichola said, 289 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: you couldn't swing the golf club back slow enough. Right now. 290 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot to be set for tempo and rhythm 291 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: and consistency. But if you're looking for power, Nobody in 292 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: the long drive or the longest teachers, they're not taking 293 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: the club back slow, Okay, They're zipping it back there. 294 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: And they do that to excite the muscles. And to 295 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: the degree that this game becomes more about power, you're 296 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: gonna see more and more guys excite the muscles the 297 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: way Bryson Shambo is that's what we've got going on 298 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: are here, which is really cool. This is science and 299 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: athletics and science and art. It's blended together. It's it's 300 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: it's cool, but there will always be room for the 301 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Kissers of the world. You're doing whatever you're doing, 302 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: you you look like you know, it just kept getting better. 303 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: It looked pretty easy to me. I don't know the 304 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: best shot. I hit all dabis on that part five 305 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and may Par hit it right at it with a 306 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: three iron and went over the green. That was the 307 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: moment I go, man, kiss has got it. Actual. I 308 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: was actually texting with Riggs. I was like, this guy 309 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: could actually if if if Bright and Bryson was in 310 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: the what Bryson hit hid in the water on his 311 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: punch out and I go up and then and then hee, 312 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: there we go. Eventually we got to the idea of 313 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: acknowledging Bryson's commitment to his craft. The part I didn't 314 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: understand about, Like you know, I said in my interview 315 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: when they asked me about and said, obviously he's got 316 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: way too much time on his hands, but the world 317 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: in a general would never put the time or effort 318 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: in that he did to make this happen, So why 319 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: are we not celebrating him? Like, holy shit, if I 320 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: really want to work that hard, I could also hit 321 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: three ninety. But I'm not going to. Okay, I'm I'm 322 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: content with third place and how and a few kids 323 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: and drinking a few beers at night. He's not. But 324 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like she asked me Amanda on on Sunday, 325 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, that's the consummate professional, right. He 326 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: figured out what he has to do to kick everybody's ass, 327 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: and then he spent the time to do it. How 328 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: many people in this world besides you know, Tiger Woods 329 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: and Lebron James and the late Kobe Bryant, actually took 330 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: that much time to hone their craft in and be 331 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, I agree, you know, you have to 332 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: applaud the effort he you know, i'd say when he 333 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: said he figured it out, I mean, he didn't know 334 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: it would work. He thought it would you know. It 335 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: was hypotheses that uh that he that he tried out. 336 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: You know, he went to the lab, got the beakers out, 337 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: the buns of burners and went to work, you know, 338 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: and and it and it and it absolutely it was 339 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: really cool. To see. Um. You know, I'm trying to 340 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: think of other players who who've Yeah, I mean Tiger 341 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: Woods is the most notable I think exception of building 342 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: and destroying, but he was when he went from the 343 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: best in the world, destroyed it, theyven rebuilt it. This 344 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: is kind of like Nick Faldo going from a place 345 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: of doubt and then recreating things, breaking them up because 346 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: they weren't they weren't great, they weren't the best. They 347 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: were good, they weren't the best. And so this is 348 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: more along the lines of Nick Fouler or Marco Mirror, 349 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: you know who who had some success but not great 350 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: success in the professional golf and then broke it up 351 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: and decided to take the risk. Along those lines, this 352 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: is not I don't think personally, I don't think this 353 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: is equivalent of what Tiger did you know? Tiger did 354 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: you know? The object of sport is to be consistent, 355 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: to dominate. That's what everybody dreams of doing. You can 356 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: be consistent. There's lots of people like that, like Kucher 357 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: and web Simpson. You can dominate, and not many of those, 358 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: just a few, you know. We think VJ Seeing in 359 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: two thousand four put those two together, and that's Tiger Woods, 360 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: and then Tiger Woods willfully dismantled those golf games and 361 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: they rebuilt them. That's the most mind bothering thing in 362 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: the game. What Bryson has done is just taking all 363 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: of the information out there about how to generate power 364 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: and then assembling it and doing it. Look, it's not 365 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: that it's I mean, okay, I mean, is it that hard? 366 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: Phil did it last year at forty nine years of age. Okay, 367 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: Cameron tor Gali to some extent, did it. Um. You 368 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: know there there are players that are putting a joke 369 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: all the time. You can look at Bryson de Shambo. 370 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: You can look at his body transformation, that metamorphosis of 371 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: zeke and you can go out. It takes a lot 372 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: of time, it does. Okay, you don't really have to 373 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: do that. Look at Bubba Watson. Bubba Watson hit it 374 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: past Dustin Johnson, he passed Brooks kept it putting past in. 375 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: It passed everybody. Biceps are that bigger round. Okay, Hey, 376 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: he didn't go to the gym. You see him without 377 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a shirt on. You turn the other way. You don't 378 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: want to look, Okay, And why does Bryson do that 379 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: people want to say, well, he's got this freakish golf swing. 380 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: They no, No, he doesn't doesn't have a freakish golf swing. 381 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: He's not a freak athlete. He just has a golf 382 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: swing that has all the elements of power in it. 383 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Maximize his shoulder tern, maximizes hit turn, frees up his 384 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: lower body, gets his hands high. Okay, which allows you 385 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: to have a full of shoulder turn, gives you all 386 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: at the time to build speed. Dropped down extends guess 387 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: who did that, Sam Sneak, Jack Nicholas, John Daly. You 388 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: can go to the gym, do all that you want, 389 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: and then if you resist, like brooks Kepka does, Okay, 390 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: you need to go to the gym. Probably I don't know, 391 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: because you've gotta be explosive. But if you can, you're 392 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: gonna not do any of that and look like Bubba Watson. 393 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: And by the way, Bubba Watson has a beautiful family 394 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and uh it doesn't spend two hours in the gym. 395 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: So you know. What Bryson did was tap into the 396 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: power elements of Bubba Watson's golf swing. He added some 397 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: elements of accuracy, which with Jordan's speece and that's sort 398 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: of the broken left arm and impact. So he blended 399 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: power elements with accuracy elements. He did put in the 400 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: time to sort of mesh those two and then he 401 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: transformed his body. So yeah, but yeah, he's twenty six, 402 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: Kevin Kissers thirty six. Bryson's at the beginning of his life, 403 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: not married, doesn't have kids. To Kevin's point, but I'd 404 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: argue the larger part of this puzzle comes from the 405 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: changes in his golf swing, not the changes in his diseast. 406 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: I always appreciate Brandell's analysis in place in the game, 407 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and the more you get to know Kevin Kisner, the 408 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: more you appreciate his personality and fresh perspective. Later this week, 409 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: we continue with Kissner his relationship with Riggs of Barstool 410 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: Sports and the four Play podcast crew and the match 411 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: they had at Pinehurst number two. Part two of Riggs 412 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: is ninety Days at pine Hurst drops this Sunday. In 413 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: the meantime, Last question, because I ask everybody who's a guest, 414 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: what is your favorite fire pit? Do you have a 415 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: place that you that's your favorite fire pit, HANGSZ one 416 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: or or somewhere that that that you always like to 417 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: sit around and with your best buddies. Well, I love 418 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: the fire pit and a few of my hunting locations, 419 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you one that most of you all 420 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: have access that I think is the greatest in the world. 421 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Is that is that in Spanish Bay out there a 422 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: pebble at the end, I mean, with the bagpiper looking 423 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: at that ocean. That's one of my most favorite places 424 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: in the world. And if if you can't relax sitting 425 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: out there by those fire pits, uh, I don't know 426 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: how you do it. That John Cook. I've had John 427 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Cook on and he said he said the Actually I 428 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: probably two or three people have said the fire pit 429 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: at Spanish Bay. I don't like the golf course. I 430 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: love that fire pit, man, and the hotel is one 431 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: of the best in the in the in golf. So 432 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: I've never playing the golf course, but I don't mind 433 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: drinking wine out there listening to that bagpiper, that's for sure. Kids, 434 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I know I 435 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I went a little long, but I appreciate you man. 436 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for doing this. 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