1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk, A lot of time, stuff that I write. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Then after I all this go and I can't sell this. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just can't and that I know it's 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: not either not the right time to do it or 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: it's not right at all. 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Taking a Walk, where we're 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: joined today by Jeffrey and Stephen McDonald, the dynamic brother 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: duo behind the influential rock band Red Cross. These punk 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: rock pioneers are here to chat about their new documentary, 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Born Innocent, The Red Cross Story, which is making waves 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: in the music documentary scene. From their early days as 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: teenage punks opening for Black Flag to becoming influential figures 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: in the grunge and powerpop movements, Red Cross has maintained 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: a unique position in rock history for over four decades. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Join us as we take a stroll with Jeffrey and 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: Stephen McDonald exploring the highs, lows, and everything in between 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: of their remarkable career, all captured in their new documentary 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Born in Is It The Red Cross Story? Coming up 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: now on Taking a Walk with Buzz Night. 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: Well, welcome you to Matinee Idols to the Taking a 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: Walk Podcast. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: Thanks for being. 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: On, but thanks for having us. 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having us. 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: So if you could, since it's called taking a walk, 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: if you could take a walk with any celebrity or musician, 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: dead or alive, who would it be. 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Oh, they're actually taking a walk, and I'm trying to 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: think of where I want to walk first. It might 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: be kind of fun to walk with Bach down Wilshire 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Boulevard with who sure, walk walk with Bach? 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 5: Bach the composer, Yes, yes, okay, Jay C. Bach. There's 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 5: a lot of them, I think. 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: Johann Sebastian Bach. Okay, yeah, I walked down from town 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Santa Monica would be fine. It would be really fun walk. Yeah, 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: imagine like just just how stripped out it would be 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: by all the latest inventions of the twenty first century. 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: Uh huh, that's both searching for fun. 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: I thought you meant Sebastian Bach. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure that might be fun too, because Sebastian 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Bach is a huge like deep cut kiss bad. So 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: there is a language that we do speak in common. 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: So you would like, maybe you would like to take 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 5: a walk with Johan Sebastian Back and Sebastian Bach on Wilshure. 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: On Wilshire from Korea town to town monk. 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 5: Have you done that? Well, I know you're planning to 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 5: doing that walk. 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: That's the next walk I'm actually planning on doing with you. 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, I'm down that that. And just for people 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 5: that don't live in Los Angeles, that's like a five 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 5: mile walk or something twelve mile twelve mile, so you 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 5: do both ways or what would happened? 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: So you go from Vermont to you know, all the 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: way to the beach. 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 5: How are you getting to VERMONTA you're dropping your car 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 5: at the Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, well so yeah, that's 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: probably a little bit more than you bargain for, buzz, 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 5: But Jeff wants to take a twelve mile walk? Are 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: you okay with that? Totally? 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: Totally. 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: I could tell I'm going to be in tears through EPI, 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: which I love. I love the documentary Guys, Born Innocent 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: is so wonderful. Tell me how it came together, the 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: whole project? Okay, well we did. 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 5: There was someone I wish I could remember his name, 66 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: but there was a director who started. 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: It like Eric something, Eric something, Eric Yeah. 68 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: But the cinematographer stayed the same, Steve Appleford. Steve Appleford 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 5: is technically the person who worked on the film the longest, 70 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 5: and that was like ten years ago. And then about 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 5: eight years ago or a little bit more than that, 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 5: and that kind of fizzled because the director realized this 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 5: is a complicated story and it's guy. I don't know 74 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 5: if he I think he just was like, this is 75 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 5: too much for me to take on, or maybe something 76 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: happened in his life. I'm not sure, but we stopped 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 5: hearing from him. And then about eight years ago, Andrew 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: Reich reached out to me through mutual friends, and he 79 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: very earnestly asked me, and I was impressed because he 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 5: was the showrunner at Friends for like eight years that 81 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 5: the hit TV sitcom, and I was surprised that he 82 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 5: was interested in our little underground rock band. But he, 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 5: as it turned out, had a deep love of the 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 5: world that we came from. And although you would think 85 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 5: he's only aligned with mainstream things, he's actually very obsessive 86 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 5: about a lot of underground culture. 87 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: He's very into hardcore, which I only recently discovered, right. 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 5: Because Jeff's daughter is in a hardcore band. 89 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: Well only recently discovered. 90 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 5: Come on, yes, I mean we were like other faiths 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 5: of hardcore. 92 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: We were adjacent to the birth of hardcore, but I 93 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: ignored it for forty five year, forty years. 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 5: He was trying to pretend it wasn't happening. 95 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but your parents were supportive and still are supportive 96 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: to this day. 97 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 4: How did that happen? 98 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 5: How did that happen? Well, we can take credit for that. 99 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: That's just naturally what they brought to the table, their support. 100 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: I think they found it interesting because we were We 101 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: were the only only kids, the only teenagers who are 102 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: even trying to play in a band, much less a 103 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: rock band or a punk rock band. We were very 104 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: unique in that sense. Do you mean like. 105 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 5: Amost Our family or do you mean like on our. 106 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I'm saying in our whole neighborhood there were no neighbor 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: There were no any anything. So we were doing something 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: interesting and there was Kevin Newman had a band, have 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: a band, couldn't get it together to have a band. 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 5: Well, he had like a cover band. 111 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: I remember how No, No, that was like this friend 112 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: of mine, the only other person I knew when we 113 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: were in junior high school. He had an electric guitar 114 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: and we put together like a fake band to play 115 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: the talent show. And I said I would sing. I'd 116 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: never sang before, but he was going to do Snakeskin 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: Cowboy by Ted Nugent, and I looked at the lyrics. 118 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: They were so stupid. I just I just reknew. I said, 119 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: I can't do that. Oh and I was seventh grade. 120 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, at twelve or thirteen. Jeff took a pass. And 121 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 5: it's funny because at the time I probably thought he 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 5: chickened out, But now I think I believe him that 123 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: he really just thought the lyrics for two scoopy. 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought I can't sell this. I can't 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: sell this. 126 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: Song at all. 127 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: I really felt that. I didn't. I didn't use that 128 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: term then, but I that's feeling I got ever since now, 129 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: Like when there's something that comes across that like a 130 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: lot of time stuff that I write, then after I 131 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: all just go, I can't sell this. So yeah, I 132 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: just can't. And that I that I know it's not 133 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: either not the right time to do it or it's 134 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: not right at all. 135 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 5: What are the lyrics? Just next can count? But I 136 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: know there's who the hell you think you are? 137 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: You read my mind? 138 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a dumb song. It's just it's just 139 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing offensive about it. 140 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 5: I'm gonna look him up right now, I'm in front 141 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 5: of my computer to look up snake skin cowboy lyrics. 142 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: Maybe he was, like I think it was about Tetnugent making, 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, giving some shades of some dude who was 144 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: peak hawking around, you know, someone within their vicinities. 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: Okay, here you go. Ooh, snake skin cowboys. Oh it's cowboys. 146 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 5: Who well you think you are? You're dancing around with 147 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: your high heeled boots. Don't you don't think that should 148 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 5: get you far? Just hanging around with your fancy pants on. 149 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 5: Ain't got nothing on me. Think you got a ride 150 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: here on the stage? Stick around, boys, Maybe I can 151 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: set you free. 152 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I know exactly what that song is. Probably about. 153 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: That song was about Ted Nugent's bitterness for the explosion 154 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of popularity of Grand Funk Railroad. 155 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 5: Oh see, you think it's a Mark. It's a Mark Farner. 156 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Mark Varner. You know they kind of came 157 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: from the same scene. And then and then Mark Farner 158 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: exploded all right, yeah, and. 159 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 5: You're helping with your best pants on. That sounds like 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 5: Mark Farner. 161 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: You know, I think I could probably relate to that 162 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: song now though, Yeah. 163 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 5: Give me a break. Why are you so mental? 164 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: Because the song was very judgmental. 165 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: Now I'm going back to my old stands. You just 166 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 5: chickened ou see no way. 167 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I want to see you saying that song. The next 168 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: Red Cross performance, Steven will be performing his rendition and 169 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: Snake's Good Cowboy, and I'm going to sell the Hellever. 170 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 4: I can't wait. Oh my god. 171 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: Now you guys have had an obsession with Grand Funk 172 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: Railroad going back to the Spirit of seventy six. 173 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 174 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we liked Grand Funk Rebber, but we kind 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: of just we discovered their first two kind of acid 176 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: rock albums. The Spirit of seventy six grands Buck was 177 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: more the seventies version that was. I would have to 178 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: hand that over to the writer, director, Lucas Reiner. He 179 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: was the one who was obsessed with them because we 180 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: didn't know their name. We didn't know Don Brewer. Are 181 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: what's the other guy? 182 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 5: Mark? 183 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: Don something? 184 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, Don Brewer. That sounds right. 185 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: This is a drum yeah, yeah, Like there's an actual 186 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: line where they named they named check all three members 187 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: of the original band. 188 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 5: They were like Don Brewer, Mark Farner, which I have 189 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 5: Mark Farner hair. 190 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: Is something but satchel. Is it satchel something? 191 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 5: I don't know, but it's funny because I just did 192 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: a Q and A in Phoenix for the movie. I 193 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 5: went by myself and that was one of the questions. 194 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: Someone asked me if I could remember all the members 195 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 5: of Grand Funk Railroad, and I choked. I said, Mark Farner, 196 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 5: and then I. 197 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: Now you can add Don Brewer. But find out who 198 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the other guy. 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I took a stab and I think I said 200 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 5: someone from Mountain. I said, I don't know, Felix Pappalardi. 201 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: That's Mountain. That's the bass player Mountain and the producer 202 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: of Cream. 203 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, very good. It was killed by his girl, Jelly girl, 204 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 5: a steemed bass player. 205 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: He was killed by his girlfriend. 206 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 5: Why I have a lot in common with him. I 207 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 5: had a crazy girlfriend too. 208 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: You know. 209 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 3: Mark Farner was on this podcast and I want to 210 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: get your take on something he said. He said the 211 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 3: creation of Closer to Home was a moment of divine intervention. 212 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: What do you think? 213 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Well, Mark Varner would say that because he isn't he like, 214 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm hardcore Jesus freak. Now, I mean, I don't mean 215 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean freaking. The most positive way to Jesus. Yeah, 216 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: I imagine. You know, all creation, all musical creation, is divine, 217 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, inspiration on some on some level. Yeah, we're inspired. 218 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: We are inspired a lot by Divine. There's a lot 219 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: of like female troubleisms in our music. 220 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: So when you say divine inspiration, you literally mean the 221 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 5: actor Divine. 222 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: That's what Mark Farner must have met, the actor Vine. 223 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: I see. I see a connection between Divine, the actor, 224 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: the actress actor, and Mark Farner. 225 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I don't think that Mark was talking 226 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 5: about female trouble inspiration. But that's that's fun. 227 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: That's the first thing that came to mind because I thought, 228 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: oh she meant he meant divine inspiration. 229 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 5: Now because then you brought up the youth of Jesus. Freak. 230 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 5: But whatever, it's all good. 231 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: You know, Divine. 232 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 3: Three days before Divine mysteriously passed away. 233 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: I interviewed Divine. 234 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: I'm you're going to make me go back and now 235 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: find that air check of that interview. 236 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: It might have been the last interview. 237 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 5: Honestly, Wow, amazing with Divine or Glenn or I don't 238 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 5: know how. 239 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: The Vine, I think, yeah Vine, yeah. 240 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: And and and so it was a mysterious I didn't really. 241 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 5: I didn't really. I don't really know much about Divine's past, 242 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 5: but they were fine. When you talk to Divine. 243 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 4: Everything was seen just just hunky dory. 244 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like sudden. 245 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so easy to go and it's so 246 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: beautiful to go down rabbit holes with you guys, which, 247 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: by the way, is the way the documentary is. It's 248 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: one rabbit hole after another, isn't it. 249 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think he controlled it, like that was 250 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: where you have to handle so too. Andrew, he really 251 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: helped it, you know, kind of tie it all together 252 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: to make sense, because yeah, there are there are so 253 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: many rabbit holes we can go down with Red Cross. 254 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 5: It's like an ADHD nightmare. And that's one of the 255 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 5: things I've said several times now and interviews that you know, 256 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 5: Andrew really he could clean my junk drawer any day 257 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 5: because he's really good at making organized sense out of 258 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 5: total chaos. 259 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: You guys had a lot going on since the moment 260 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: you started one you were fifteen and eleven, respectively. 261 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 4: Is that is that right? When you guys started out? 262 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: That's true? 263 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: And did you have any idea whether this band would 264 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: exist for a week two weeks? 265 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: When you started. I mean, what did you think was 266 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 4: going to happen at eleven? 267 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine fifty I had no idea what that was, 268 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 5: so I didn't think about the band. I don't think 269 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 5: I could even imagine what I would be like at 270 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: fifty seven, much less the band. 271 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, But I think at that age it's like 272 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: the one time in your life you can actually live 273 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: in the moment, maybe because what you get older, you 274 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: just always tripping on the theater, are freaking out about 275 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the past. 276 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: That's true, because there's not much pass to trip out on, 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 5: and then the future you don't know anything about it, 278 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 5: so you kind of just and then time you're really really. 279 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many characters that are in the documentary 280 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: and part of your life. Uh, and part of the 281 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: band just drummers alone? Was is it nine drummers that 282 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: came through Red Cross? 283 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't, well, we actually we actually only count drummers 284 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: who are on record. That's not the other ones don't exist. 285 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: That's that's not fair. 286 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: You think about it, think about it. 287 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 5: Well, pretty much all of them are on records, all 288 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: even I'm sorry, but Glenn Hollands on records. What he's 289 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: on on the Desperate Teenage Loved All soundtrack, the uh 290 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 5: the cover of Purple hay Is and that's that's on 291 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: that soundtrack. And I think there's a couple of yeah, 292 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: I think a couple of the songs from the Desperate 293 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: Teenage Loved All soundtrack. I think he's I want to 294 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 5: be a solo chick that song? Remember that song? 295 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, But I mean so. 296 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: That's whatever you can to exclude him somehow. Yeah, not 297 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: to screw that one. I'm sorry, sorry for you. Look 298 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: at that. 299 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: Some moted. 300 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: If there were to be a biopic done on you, guys, 301 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: who would play you? 302 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: Uh? 303 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 5: Well, I would if he's good enough for Dylan, he's 304 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: good enough for me. 305 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: But he's too he's too short to play it. 306 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 5: Who cares, I don't care. Wall actor Timothy Shallow May 307 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 5: could play David Cassidy in our story. So when we 308 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: go to make so we have to get some tall 309 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 5: some tall guys. And then when we go and then 310 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: in the part where they have the spiritus, every six 311 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 5: section will be perfect because he's tiny like David Cassidy. 312 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: Tony Tanil can play me, and maybe the Captain will 313 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: play you. 314 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 5: We both have the Captain's mustache now and is probably 315 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 5: not with us anymore. 316 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: Darryl he passed year too. 317 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we could play. We could have played 318 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 5: Darryl Dragon. Jeff and I could share the role of 319 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 5: Darryl Dragon and the Tony Captain. 320 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: And to Neil, movie is Dennis Dragon Soul Lives? 321 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 5: Is that the brother from the Surf Punks? Yeah, I 322 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 5: don't know. I haven't kept kept tags. 323 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: There was a surf Punks were kind of influential on 324 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: on We were going to do too Big for her 325 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: top on on teen Babes from Monsanto album, but we 326 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: we had to. We tossed it the last sime. 327 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. I don't remember that that discussion, 328 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: but okay, that's a surf punk deep cut? 329 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: Is is Monsanto? Do you think you're your true classic 330 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: of all? Is that the one? 331 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? We didn't write any of the songs, so that's definitely. 332 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: Ours just some but I mean some people it is 333 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: their classic, but no, I mean for us, it was 334 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: it was just a fun kind of exercise. 335 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 5: Well, I like what Jeff says in the documentary. He says, 336 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 5: that's when we came out as rock stars. 337 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: It is. It's when we just fully just blew it 338 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: out there, and you know, and it was and it 339 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: wasn'tn exercise and we were we were so snobby at 340 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: the time. Were we felt that the scene we were 341 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: in needed a rock and real education, some kind of 342 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: So we were playing songs that were obscure to the 343 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: kids that were our peers at the time. Now it's 344 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows Kiss and the Stooges and the 345 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: Shannger Laws, but the hardcore kids of nineteen eighty two 346 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: had no ideent of these. 347 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 5: I mean, you were you'd say, it's it's pedanta fantic, pedantic. 348 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 5: I think that that word applies. It's like, you know, 349 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 5: we were schooling them and we were getting. 350 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were, we were schooling them. But you know, 351 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: I mean now I have a much more humble connection 352 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: to that record than I did that, But. 353 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 5: You know, it is it is one of the records 354 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: that Andrew Reich sites quite a bit as his entrance 355 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 5: point into Red Cross. 356 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: Now, you guys, I feel like have always gotten along 357 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: except for one thing, maybe the additional D and Red Cross. 358 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Is that still something that's come between you two knuckleheads? 359 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, we did think a chant on the new 360 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 5: record where we're trying. I've been trying to like just 361 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 5: cement it, somehow get it more into people's consciousness, because 362 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 5: every time I see our names spelled incorrectly, which there's 363 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 5: several opportunities, have several different ways to do it, I 364 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 5: always feel like it's a little bit of a reminder 365 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 5: of like, you're not famous. 366 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Well, and I also think about I always think about 367 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: the and every time I see it, I am not 368 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: angry for myself. I'm sad for Steve Well, that's so fun, 369 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I know, tarturing him. But you know what's weird about 370 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: it is it's you know, even today, like the headline 371 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: of an article will be spelled wrong, but it'll be 372 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: spelled correctly throughout the body of the article. That happens 373 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: all the time, so people would just start you know. 374 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: The one I find the most interesting is R E 375 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 5: D D C R O S S. 376 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: One which is almost never happened. 377 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 5: It happens, though it does happen. 378 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: Do you think though it happens, people are just messing 379 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: with you? 380 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 5: No, No, people, I I well, I just think that 381 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 5: I mean, maybe, yeah, maybe some, but I know that 382 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 5: I'm so I know how I am about names, and 383 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 5: I never want to get them wrong. So I just 384 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: assume that people are making a mistake, and I'm always 385 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: having to let them off the hook, like I mean, 386 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 5: I don't really care. Of course, I'd be like, oh no, 387 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 5: of course, I mean my mom calls me, Jeff, I don't. 388 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 5: It's all fine, but it is always a moment where 389 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: like if say, it has something to do with like 390 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 5: promoting the band, I have to correct people, and I 391 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 5: hate having to correct people. That's a drag, and you 392 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 5: know whatever, It's fine. But the point I did want 393 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 5: to make was it on our new album, we have 394 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 5: a song called Good Times Propaganda Band and it's under 395 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 5: It's sort of buried in the mix, but we do 396 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 5: do a chant at the end of the song where 397 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 5: we say yes two d's and the k hey, yes 398 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 5: two d's and kay hey. 399 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: So we're you know, we're we're trying to train out. 400 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 5: If nothing else, that is our motivation for continuing to 401 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 5: do this, to get people to see how many people 402 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 5: we can get this to spell our name correctly before 403 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: we die. 404 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: And it could have been worse. We could have easily 405 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: spelled it with. 406 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: The que there you go, well, I know what you. 407 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 5: Would have said. You would have said, it's cool. It's 408 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 5: like Stacey Q. 409 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: Was it influenced by Red Fox? Yes, yes, without a doubt. 410 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: Now you know now the word read I see it 411 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: a lot used in a hip hop world. It's very Yeah, 412 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: it's like ari E d D. It's really coming to 413 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: its own in the past, you know, like fifteen years. 414 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: Probably inspired by Red Fox. Also because I mean, like, 415 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 5: has read a common name? Is it a common proper name? 416 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 5: And adding the second d, I guess kind of takes 417 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: it out of a nickname and into a proper name. 418 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 3: Would you ever consider a punk version of the Sanford 419 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: and Son theme. 420 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: I feel like we've the sack that being is pretty pomp. 421 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 5: He began with dunt dum dump dum dum. What is that? 422 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 5: What is a juice harp? Or wow? 423 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 4: Wow? I feel like it is what what? What? Why 424 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: do why not it? 425 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: Yeah? 426 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm clapping that, yeah, yeah that, But there's that that one. 427 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 5: It's got it's got that one drone instrument in the intro. 428 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 5: I don't know, it's. 429 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: Cool, we'll pick it apart. 430 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 5: It's a it's a classic. I don't know who, I 431 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 5: don't know who the composer is on that. 432 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: We're going to have to check on that. 433 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like Quincy Jones, but I don't 434 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: think you. 435 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 5: Know what I think it is. I think it is. 436 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 5: I think I recently just yeah, hang on, yeah. 437 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: Because I know he did he did, didn't do too 438 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: many comedies. 439 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: Oh, that's amazing it. 440 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 5: Wow. 441 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: He just passed away recently. 442 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 3: I wonder how he felt about that in his in 443 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: his last years, about that part of his body of work. 444 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure I was proud of it. It was 445 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 5: such a like I'm sure, I mean it was. That 446 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 5: was such a great piece of American television. You know, 447 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 5: it's a really good mainstream moment. I think totally, at 448 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 5: least from at least from my household's perspective. And my 449 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: dad loved Red Fox. My dad's sort of personality in 450 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 5: many ways, I would say were is informed by both 451 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 5: the Red Fox character from Sanfredin Son and also the 452 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 5: I'm forgetting the actor's name, but from uh, the Jefferson's 453 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: George Jefferson. Yeah, my dad walks like George Jefferson. Our 454 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 5: dad walks like George Jefferson, I think. 455 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: And then Red Fox was known before that show for 456 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: those infamous Party records, those Nasty Records. 457 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: X rated comedy right, Ye on Laugh Record? Was that 458 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: lap record like they? Early early Richard Pryor was on 459 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: that same label, and yeah, early dirty comics want to pay? Well, 460 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: the Lawanda page is part of the Rudy Ray Mooresey. 461 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: Well, that's also I don't know. 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Is it on Joke Records though or whatever? Laugh Records? 463 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: I see the logo in my head. 464 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 5: I can't. 465 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: I can't too awfully they were filthies. It's all get 466 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 4: out though, that's for sure, they really were. 467 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 468 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 469 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: But you guys, uh, it's evident in the documentary that 470 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: you guys are really. 471 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: Historians of pop culture. 472 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: You you were fixated on the Brady Bunch, You were 473 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: certainly fixated on the Partridge Family. 474 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: You got to live out your dream and appear. 475 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: With David Cassidy. How did you become such historians of 476 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: our time? 477 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: Well, I mean we were brainwashed by our time. We 478 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: came up in the seventies when you know, kids came 479 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: up from school and turned on TV and you know, 480 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: did it turn it off until bedtime. I mean we 481 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: would go out and play in my skateboards and stuff 482 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, we were, you know, raised by television. 483 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: Our parents never never viewed what we watched to make 484 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: sure it was appropriate for us. I mean not with television, 485 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: they didn't. I mean, when I had my own child, 486 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: I was very careful to kind of bet everything she consumed. 487 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: But in the seventies, it was kind of like the 488 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: programmers for the networks, they were the ones raising the children, 489 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: I guess. 490 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: And there was only three networks then too. Imagine that, right, 491 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 4: Think about that. 492 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch was always was always kind of an embarrassment. 493 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, we were like we 494 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: were Parkas family people. And it's not even It's not 495 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: even like Beatles or Stones. It's more like it's more 496 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: like Beatles or the Herman's Hermits, you know like that. 497 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 5: I knew the Herman's Hermits. 498 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: Brady Bunch were more. Brady Bunch became more of an 499 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: influence when we got into LSD later. 500 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: Can you tell us the story of how your lives 501 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 3: intersected with David Bowie? 502 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I can't. We I mean, that's more 503 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 5: of like a discovery from the documentary, because I think 504 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: it was more like a hazy memory when we learned 505 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: when we were reminded that David Bowie had been sighted 506 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: at the Hong Kong Cafe the same night that we 507 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 5: played our first nightclub show. But I mean David Bowie 508 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 5: had a huge impact on the two of us growing 509 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 5: up because we borrowed our uncle's copy of Ziggy Starred 510 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: Us on eight track tape Christmas of nineteen seventy two, 511 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: and we never gave it back to him, and that 512 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 5: changed us in a lot of ways. But by the 513 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 5: time nineteen seventy nine rolled around and we intersected, I 514 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 5: guess we shared oxygen in the same building that night, 515 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 5: But neither of us were particularly plugged into David Bowie's 516 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 5: music at that point, only because we had lost interest 517 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 5: around the time of Young Americans and when he went soul, 518 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: we just were looking for a harder edged sound and 519 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 5: we felt a little bit like we were in that 520 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 5: camp where we felt somewhat betrayed by his musical pivot, 521 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 5: and it was really the punk scene for me. When 522 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 5: I was surprised, I think I was probably surprised that 523 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 5: everybody was freaking out about Bowie because I assumed everybody 524 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 5: had tossed him away too, because he wasn't making you know, 525 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 5: heavy guitar music anymore. But that's not the case. Like 526 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: the punk rockers that we admired that we were around 527 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 5: at that time, we're all like leftovers from the glitter scene. 528 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 5: They were all kind of like weirdo art students and 529 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 5: people like that, and they were like Bowie obsessives, like 530 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: there was no way they were ever going to like 531 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: they were ever he was ever going to lose those people. 532 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 5: So I think, you know, it was sort of eye opening. 533 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 5: And I don't know about that night specific, it just 534 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 5: not the crew that I hung out with were such 535 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 5: Bowie fanatics that I reconsidered Bowie after that time, and 536 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: I realized, oh, I had missed low and I had 537 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 5: missed Heroes. And this was actually at the time that 538 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 5: he was about to make Our Lodger was about to 539 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 5: come out. So that's when I got back on his train. 540 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 5: Was around the around the time that he came to 541 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 5: our shore. 542 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: It's it's I love that part of the story, the 543 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: way that unfolded. So as you watched the documentary, are 544 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: there things that you sort of go, wow, I completely. 545 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 5: The Bowie thing I forgot about totally completely. And it 546 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 5: was like thanks to people like our friend Ella Black 547 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: and you know, other people that were a little bit 548 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: older than us that were there and they remembered and 549 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 5: she had journaled about it, and it was like, oh 550 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: my god, right, wow, that's wild. But like that's what 551 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: that scene. That scene was so exciting to us that, 552 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 5: you know, I mean, because we were rubbing elbows with 553 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 5: our heroes that we held in the same esteem as 554 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 5: the classic rock heroes that we had had five ten 555 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 5: years earlier. Like for me, Mick Jagger, I mean, Darby 556 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 5: Crash was just as important as Mick Jagger, or more so, 557 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: like when Darby Crash died, it was the same week 558 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 5: as John Lennon's death, or the day before or after 559 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 5: day before, and I at that particular time, I was 560 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 5: more shaken by the death of Darby Krash than I 561 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 5: was of John Lennon. And you know, and these were 562 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 5: people that we were like, you know, playing shows with. 563 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: So it was a very thrilling moment for us to 564 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 5: be interacting with our heroes and you know, so yeah, 565 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 5: so the fact that Bowie was there that night. We 566 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 5: were probably also freaking out the Blenda Carlisle from the 567 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 5: go that the you know, the yet not really known 568 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 5: go gos were there, you know, or or whoever you know, 569 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 5: our pat bag might have been there and that would 570 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 5: have been a boolly big deal to us. 571 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 4: There's another character that I wanted to ask you about, 572 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 4: Tracy Lee. 573 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Tracy Lee. 574 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 4: Yes, talk about. 575 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: The the the mystery of Tracy Lee. 576 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, she was a When we first started going to 577 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: shows in Hollywood, the scene was older than us. We 578 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: were like we were the kids, and Tracy was another 579 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: kid that we met. You know, she was the other 580 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: person who was exactly my age. Like we were like 581 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: fifteen when we started going to shows, and you know, 582 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: and so when we we had we were trying to 583 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: figure out what the new angle for Red Cross should 584 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: be like. When we were around the time Born Innocent, 585 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: before Born Innocent, we were putting the band back together 586 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: after Stevens hiatus when he returned, we just it was 587 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: like put the band back together, and oh I got 588 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: a great idea. Tracy Tracy Lee. She you know, she 589 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: played guitar with the group called Castration Squad, who were 590 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: an all girl death rock group for one of the 591 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: very first goth bands of all time, and we were 592 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: old friends with her, and I figured having her in 593 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: the band would be would like would be like out 594 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: of Brian Jones. She would she would be the fashion 595 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: center of our group, which she was on rhythm guitar, 596 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: un rhythm guitar. But yeah, she was like us, and 597 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, we were all but she actually lived in Hollywood, Tracy. 598 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, we lived. We were separate from Hollywood by 599 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: living in the suburbs, so we didn't get to go 600 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: there until years later. She walked to the Whiskey at 601 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Go Go and saw the original Runaways play when she 602 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: was like thirteen, because she could, because she could because 603 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: she didn't live because she grew. 604 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: Up in Hollywood. And it's it's funny, like this kind 605 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 5: of relates what I was talking about, being thrilled by 606 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 5: local celebrities more so than you know a lot of 607 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 5: other people a bigger artist or whatever. Like many years later, 608 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 5: I was on tour with my hardcore band Off and 609 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 5: a really close friend of mine, Josh Klinghoffer, had just 610 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 5: joined the rid At Chili Peppers, and they were playing 611 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 5: a stadium down the road. This was in England and 612 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 5: I and so Josh invited me to the show, and like, 613 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 5: I knew Flee and Anthony way back, but just a 614 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 5: little bit, like I wouldn't expect them to necessarily know 615 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 5: my name. And they were excited that I was coming 616 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 5: to the show because they wanted to talk about Tracy Marshak. 617 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 5: That's her real lat's name, and they had gone to 618 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 5: school with her at Fairfax High. They had grown up 619 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 5: in Hollywood too, and this is like in twenty ten 620 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 5: or something, and they're like, so, what you know Tracy 621 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 5: Marsha Can I. 622 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, everyone everyone was in awe. 623 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 5: They were in awe of her. She was the cool 624 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 5: punk rock girl at Fairfax High. And they were maybe 625 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 5: a year younger than her or the same age, but 626 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 5: they were intimidated by her because she had she just 627 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 5: always had this cool mistique about her. I mean, I'm 628 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 5: sure at Fairfax at the time, she probably was a 629 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 5: bit of a loner or not necessarily like a popular 630 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 5: social or whatever. But for weirdos like Flee and Anthony, 631 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: they would have been like, you know, oogling over her 632 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 5: and obsessive about her, and that she was unapproachable on 633 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 5: some level. They still talked about her on that level, 634 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 5: which is so funny because of you know who they 635 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 5: are now and what they've lived. 636 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: So tell us what it's like now creating new music 637 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 3: and what has changed in your guys. You know, style 638 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 3: and you know, collaboration practices. 639 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 1: Well, a style something that just comes and goes. It's 640 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: just something that's a natural part of it. I think 641 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of filtered through whatever it is like for 642 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: me by speaking for myself, whatever I'm listening to is 643 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of effects whatever style. But the process is, since 644 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: we've been doing this for so long, there's no set way. 645 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,479 Speaker 1: I mean it's like we both write separately, we both 646 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: finish songs separately, we both write parts separately, we both 647 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: get together and write together. So there's just, you know, 648 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: so many ways to do it. There's isn't a set way, 649 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why we can still come 650 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: up with good stuff, because we're not stuck in at 651 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: of how to create our right music. 652 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 5: That's true. I guess we've never really landed on a 653 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 5: formula and so it's still it's always you know, I 654 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 5: don't know. I mean this last time we wrote it 655 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 5: did feel different, It felt a little different. Like we 656 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 5: were getting some unentreded territory and you know, I mean, 657 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: I know, it's cool. It's cool to check back in 658 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 5: and see like where we are as individuals and where 659 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 5: we are as a partnership. And this last time was 660 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 5: really fruitful and it seemed like maybe I would also 661 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 5: say the documentary, at least for me, the documentary had 662 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 5: a lot of it offered some inspiration as well. 663 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 3: It's obvious watching you two in the documentary and now 664 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 3: how much you enjoy being together with each other. That's 665 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 3: not acting, is it. 666 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: No, Now we are best friends, but we can also 667 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: really get each other, get on each other's nerves in 668 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: a deep level. But it's all that's all like normal, 669 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: you know. It's like we recover really quickly. When there's disagreements. 670 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: They may seem like you might have a disagreement even 671 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: though I could creative one that just seems like, oh, 672 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, okam blah blah blah. But then you get 673 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: over very fast, you know. So I think that's maybe 674 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: that's you know, being brothers and the fact that there's 675 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: just the two of us and we grew up in 676 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, very humble We grew up in the same bedroom, 677 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, very. 678 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 5: Close our parents. As much as they've done some terrible 679 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 5: modeling of how to deal with and stress and anxiety, 680 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 5: I think they've also been really good models in the 681 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 5: terms of their partners. They they've been doing their own 682 00:37:53,160 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 5: small business since the eighties since maybe we started Red Cross, 683 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 5: before they started Omni Welding. 684 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did. They started into age like eighty 685 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: three or something. I don't know. 686 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 5: Okay, so they started their own small business in their 687 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 5: early eighties. But they've been partners, so to speak, for 688 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 5: you know, since before Jeff was born, and they still 689 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 5: work together. They still work together. They're in their eighties 690 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 5: and our dad is like eighty six now maybe, And 691 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 5: they still have their small welding company, Precision Welding Omni Welding. 692 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 5: If you need precision welding done in the South Bay 693 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 5: region of LA look them up on the work. 694 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: I'm kind of happy to reach hire suit that they 695 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: don't really want to know. 696 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 5: They can know. They worked through COVID and they're in 697 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 5: great shape, and I think that's been a really positive 698 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 5: thing for them. And because they worked their COVID, because 699 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 5: they often would do government contracts, so much to our chagrin. 700 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 5: We were like, you know, I wanted to go do 701 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 5: their shopping for them, like, no, leave me alone, No, 702 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 5: we're working, but and whatever. But the point is that 703 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 5: they've I mean, I'd like to think that jeff and 704 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 5: I have evolved a little better. I mean, obviously we're brothers. 705 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 5: Is a different dynamic, but we're not quite as bickering 706 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 5: as they are. They are like world class bickers and 707 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 5: it's really dysfunctional. 708 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: But they recovery quickly though, So that's the kind of 709 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: thing I think we may have learned the quick recovery, right, we. 710 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 5: Can talk about recover quickly and yeah, maybe that's a 711 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 5: skill we've learned to push it to our toes. 712 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, who knows, but everyone gets along for I'd 713 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: say eighty of the time these days they do. 714 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 3: We do Jeffrey, what does Stephen do to make you better? 715 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 3: And Stephen, what does Jeffrey do to make you better? 716 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: Well, Steven's very thorough, very very analytical, and you know, 717 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes I'm very flighty, and I just 718 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: go with my first response, you know, and a creative situation, 719 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's good. It's sometimes it is good to 720 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: take a beat. So you know, Stephen has mate has 721 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: insisted that I take a beat before on certain things creatively, 722 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: and that's that's good. That's good. Otherwise I would just be, 723 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, flying off the handle doing everything, you know, 724 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: on an impulsive level musically. But that's one thing I 725 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: can think of, because anyone who knows Steve but we 726 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: know he's he's the most analytical person. He's very very 727 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: intense that way, which is which, which is great, but 728 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: that's you know that that's also where we hit like 729 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: little you know, but butt head sometimes. 730 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, and I guess the flipside is that 731 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 5: I've become more at least with my rioting. I like 732 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 5: my first ideas better now than I used to. So 733 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 5: maybe that's Jeffson. What's I mean? 734 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: Well, guys, is there anything I've missed that you want 735 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 3: to say or talk about? 736 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 1: Oh, we don't want? Well, the movie, the album it did, 737 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: the movie and the Red Cross self tit titled double album, 738 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: and and our book Now You're one of us, They're 739 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: all just they all fit together. So if if anyone 740 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: sees reads the books, sees the movie, buys the record 741 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they need more, there is more. 742 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the only thing. I say, you can 743 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 5: go to Red Cross Film and that's RI D D 744 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 5: K R O S S film dot com to find 745 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 5: out if there's a screening anywhere in your area, because 746 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 5: if film is screening now, it's you know, sort of 747 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 5: a short, limited theatrical run, and then it will eventually 748 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 5: go into you know, another formats like DVD's, and then 749 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 5: I think they're gonna figure out some kind of hosting 750 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 5: situation to stream it, which I don't know that much about, 751 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 5: but there is distribution for that. But I would say 752 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 5: that if you know nothing about us and you're just 753 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 5: kind of intrigued sharing our conversation, that the documentary is 754 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 5: actually from what I can tell, it seems to be 755 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 5: engaging to people that know nothing about our music. 756 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: It's really fun to watch with a with a with 757 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: an audience because it's funny, but it gets heavy, you know, 758 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: and it's musical, and it's. 759 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, you might not even be a 760 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 5: big music fan, but if you're a human being, you 761 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 5: might like the human elements of our story. And so 762 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 5: I just because it's a good entrance point into our world. 763 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 5: And then I would say if you watched the movie 764 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 5: and then you're intrigued to know more than I would 765 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 5: direct you towards our newest album, because we've been together 766 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 5: for so long that our catalog is pretty disparate, so 767 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 5: to speak. It's it's random like there, you know, there's 768 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 5: records from when we were thirteen, and there's records when 769 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 5: we were twenty three and thirty three and then, so 770 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 5: that we changed a lot in those times. But the 771 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 5: new album is a double album, so it's got a 772 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 5: it's got a long track listing, and it is a 773 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 5: good cross section of everything that we're capable of. And 774 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,919 Speaker 5: and we just happened to land and as time would 775 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 5: have it, our fate or luck or whatever, we intersected 776 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 5: at an inspired moment with the opportunity to make a record. 777 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 5: So I think it's a really it's a great companion 778 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 5: for the uh, the movie and just learning about who 779 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 5: we are. I think it's a good entrance. It's a 780 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 5: good entrance. And then and then when that's done, if 781 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 5: you're not like completely nauseated by having too much Red 782 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 5: Cross in your world, then check out the book because 783 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 5: the book is a deep dive into much more tweaky 784 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 5: ear things than we got into today. But that's the 785 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 5: order of events. I suggest that's the analytical Steve that 786 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 5: jeff just called me out on. 787 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 4: The documentary Born Innocent is fabulous. It is a saunter 788 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 4: through music history without a question. 789 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 3: And Jeffrey and Stephen McDonald, I'm so glad that we 790 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 3: took this little walk down memory lane. 791 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 4: Thank you for being on. 792 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. It's fun. 793 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 794 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 795 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 2: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 796 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 2: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 797 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 2: and wherever you get your podcasts.