1
00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,199
Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy pros. This is the Fantasy

2
00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,040
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey P joe Pisapia, and

3
00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 1: today we're gonna look at my favorite things. That's right, everybody,

4
00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,800
Speaker 1: I have a say for once finally in telling you

5
00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,680
Speaker 1: all my favorite players, and I may or may not

6
00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 1: get roasted by these two guys on either side of me.

7
00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Here we've got Jake Seely here from the Athletic again

8
00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,440
Speaker 1: and Andrew Ericksson. I'm gonna tell you my favorite players

9
00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,440
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five in terms of underrated values that

10
00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,680
Speaker 1: I think that you absolutely one hundred percent need on

11
00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,199
Speaker 1: your rosters this year. And these guys will tell me

12
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,479
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong or maybe maybe I might be right. Gentlemen,

13
00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,800
Speaker 1: it's great to see you as always. Before we get going,

14
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,880
Speaker 1: just a quick shout out too. We had a crazy

15
00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,960
Speaker 1: little trade happened unexpected here, the Steelers acquiring Jalen Ramsey

16
00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,879
Speaker 1: John new Smith from the Dolphins in exchange for Minka Fitzpatrick,

17
00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,280
Speaker 1: Jake Seely. I don't think a lot of us saw

18
00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 1: this one coming. So Arthur Smith gets John new Smith back.

19
00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,040
Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? He just he missed his

20
00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,480
Speaker 1: long lost brother. Is that what's going on here? But

21
00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,280
Speaker 1: let's talk about this from the fantasy end of it.

22
00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,560
Speaker 1: John new Smith now as a Pittsburgh Steeler, your thoughts.

23
00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,040
Speaker 2: No, So should I just make this sound againsh like whatever? Yeah?

24
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 2: I think I thought that was the best way to

25
00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,240
Speaker 2: put it. Like, he went from being inside my top

26
00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,000
Speaker 2: ten to just inside my top twenty. It's also a

27
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,840
Speaker 2: tight end, so knocking off twenty fantasy points weld far

28
00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,039
Speaker 2: make you go that far. But really what it comes

29
00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,080
Speaker 2: down to is, yeah, it's Arthur Smith and he's gonna

30
00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,479
Speaker 2: run two tight ends. But even if you give John

31
00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,319
Speaker 2: News Kyle Pitt's share from when they were splitting that

32
00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,360
Speaker 2: and you saw about one hundred and sixty targets go

33
00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,120
Speaker 2: to each of them, and I know that was a

34
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,360
Speaker 2: bad year quarterback for the Falcons and blah blah blah

35
00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,920
Speaker 2: blah blah, but it was still five hundred and thirty

36
00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,240
Speaker 2: targets on the season. So even if what seventeen percent

37
00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,320
Speaker 2: target share, but I don't see him getting that, I

38
00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 2: think it'd probably be more like fifteen. And at fifteen

39
00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,960
Speaker 2: it's not a top ten tight end for me. Maybe

40
00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,480
Speaker 2: if he gets seventeen eighteen percent, and maybe if he's

41
00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,680
Speaker 2: like a solid number two and all the wide receivers

42
00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,040
Speaker 2: failed to take a step forward alongside Dk Metcalf like

43
00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson, Calvin Austin and all the rest, maybe he's

44
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 2: back inside the back end top ten. But I'm not

45
00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,480
Speaker 2: gonna risk it because unless this ADP gets down to

46
00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,760
Speaker 2: about eighteen to twenty range at tight end, I'm just

47
00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,400
Speaker 2: not gonna do it.

48
00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 1: Ericson, give me the other side of this. John new

49
00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Smith gone from Miami and a lot of people liked

50
00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,760
Speaker 1: him as a sleeper tight end. Oh, it's such a

51
00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,280
Speaker 1: good year last year for the Dolphins. Well that's gone.

52
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,400
Speaker 1: So now what remains here? What are the adjustments that

53
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,240
Speaker 1: you might have to make around this Dolphins offense?

54
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,280
Speaker 3: Well, I think it means that Jalen Wattle bounce back season.

55
00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,440
Speaker 3: It's happening. It's gonna happen, people, So I'm really excited.

56
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 3: I think that this means that, all right, we've seen

57
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,079
Speaker 3: the Dolphins offense through Mike McDaniel be very concentrated around

58
00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,360
Speaker 3: usually two guys. Most of the time, it's been Hill

59
00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,239
Speaker 3: and Waddle. Last year it was eight Chan and Johnny Smith.

60
00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,800
Speaker 3: So now it seems like all the big three that's there, Tyreek,

61
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,840
Speaker 3: Jalen and a Chan, Well, two of these guys are

62
00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,120
Speaker 3: probably going to be hits in this potential offense. And

63
00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,120
Speaker 3: if I'm putting my chips on two players, it's going

64
00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 3: to be the running back and Jalen Waddle.

65
00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,160
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, so quick take on that trade, and

66
00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,959
Speaker 1: remember make sure you subscribe to fans for As YouTube channel.

67
00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Drop your comments again. We're trying to get the three

68
00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand subscribers this year and we can do it

69
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,200
Speaker 1: with your help. While you gotta do a subscribe and

70
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,959
Speaker 1: like this video, it's a very easy thing to do.

71
00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us talk

72
00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,320
Speaker 1: in football, and let's start talking about some of my

73
00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,160
Speaker 1: favorite things. That's right, I'm like Oprah today. I'm gonna

74
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,800
Speaker 1: give you all my favorite things and number one my

75
00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,720
Speaker 1: first favorite thing. Here, we're going to talk about some

76
00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,840
Speaker 1: guys that are going currently in the top fifty of picks.

77
00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take guys, you know, in the

78
00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,680
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Most of them are pretty good, but

79
00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,400
Speaker 1: I want to highlight somebody. ECR thirty eight, Wide receiver

80
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,040
Speaker 1: eighteen is Terry McLaurin because he is one of my

81
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,920
Speaker 1: favorite things. Why because he is incredibly consistent, one of

82
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720
Speaker 1: my favorite bets. Last year, Andrew knows this. I smashed

83
00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,360
Speaker 1: the over. It was nine to twenty five and a

84
00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: half on the receiving yards for him last year. This

85
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,680
Speaker 1: is a guy who gets one thousand yards receiving every

86
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,880
Speaker 1: single year with some of the worst slap nut quarterback

87
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,680
Speaker 1: play you've ever get to see in your entire life.

88
00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,520
Speaker 1: And then he finally got Jayden Daniels last year, and

89
00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,160
Speaker 1: when you know it, he had one of his best seasons,

90
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,960
Speaker 1: or probably his best season ever. He now has five

91
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,200
Speaker 1: straight years of one thousand yards receiving. He was wide

92
00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,960
Speaker 1: receiver six and half PPR last year. Now he's being

93
00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,640
Speaker 1: ranked as wide receiver eighteen. I don't understand this. I

94
00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,400
Speaker 1: understand if the touchdowns regress a little bit at thirteen

95
00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,400
Speaker 1: last year, maybe it goes to nine or ten. I

96
00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,280
Speaker 1: actually think there's a world where Jake Daniels doesn't have

97
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,000
Speaker 1: a sophomore slump, where even gets possibly better. So I

98
00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,040
Speaker 1: think the value proposition here for Ter McLaurin is a

99
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,520
Speaker 1: complete buy. Jake, seely, talk to me about your thoughts

100
00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 1: on Ter McLaurin because he is one of my favorite

101
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,040
Speaker 1: wide receivers this year at value, and I think he's

102
00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,000
Speaker 1: being grossly undervalued in all of the early ranks.

103
00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, honestly. Even if you look at

104
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,440
Speaker 2: fancy points per game and include Rashie Rice and Chris

105
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,360
Speaker 2: Godwin missing the big chunks of their seasons, he's at

106
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,440
Speaker 2: worse wide receiver sixteen. So if anything, you're just going

107
00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,480
Speaker 2: off points per game last year, he's still undervalued. And

108
00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,000
Speaker 2: I would still take him at fourteen. And even if

109
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,320
Speaker 2: you brought up the projection type situation and like I

110
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,720
Speaker 2: don't have him for thirteen touchdowns, I have for eight

111
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,200
Speaker 2: at eleven hundred and change yards, So that puts HM

112
00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000
Speaker 2: about two hundred three fancy points most years. That puts

113
00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,680
Speaker 2: him as a fringe wide receiver one around two three

114
00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,240
Speaker 2: worst case probably wide receiver fifteen, which I feel like

115
00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you is the floor in my opinion. I'm

116
00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,920
Speaker 2: at fourteen. I'm taking in front of Adams as the

117
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 2: number two I'm taking in front of And this is

118
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna sound a little crazy to a lot of people,

119
00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 2: but I'll take him in front of Lad McConkey, Like

120
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,520
Speaker 2: I just think that if everybody's expecting Jane Daniels to

121
00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,919
Speaker 2: take another step forward and what you bring in with

122
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,760
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel, like it's the corpse of Deebo Samuel at

123
00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,479
Speaker 2: this point that not even that one year that we

124
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,400
Speaker 2: can kind of throw out that happened at San Francisco

125
00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,120
Speaker 2: with all the rushing, Like do we just know that's

126
00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,080
Speaker 2: never gonna happen again? Even if you take the best

127
00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,039
Speaker 2: years just receiving wise at Deebo Samuel, it'll be better

128
00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520
Speaker 2: than anything they had running out there as the number two.

129
00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,800
Speaker 2: But if anything, that's just going to help free up

130
00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,120
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin downfield more, which is what we love to see.

131
00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,560
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm with you. I think Terry McLaurin solidly

132
00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,440
Speaker 2: inside of the top fifteen wide receivers. So so far,

133
00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 2: I am not coming for you or trying to roast you.

134
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Man, I'm mighty relieved. Let me tell you that, Andrew Erickson,

135
00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 1: I want your thoughts on McLaurin because, Okay, maybe he

136
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have the flashy explosiveness of the guys at the

137
00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,919
Speaker 1: very top, but that's fair, But he also is the

138
00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,440
Speaker 1: your ability of a guy you can count on every

139
00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,359
Speaker 1: single week, and I think that is very important and

140
00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,799
Speaker 1: sometimes underappreciated.

141
00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,039
Speaker 3: What do you think So I'm not as high on McLaurin.

142
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm more in line with where the consensus has him,

143
00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640
Speaker 3: So I have him a wide receiver nineteen. I don't

144
00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,240
Speaker 3: think that either. You brought up the fact that this

145
00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,920
Speaker 3: guy hasn't showed up to OTA's and he's holding out

146
00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,320
Speaker 3: for a contract, So that's and that may be baked

147
00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 3: into his rank here a little bit because we saw

148
00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,360
Speaker 3: last year a lot of the guys held out besides

149
00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, who did start the season really badly, it

150
00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,640
Speaker 3: didn't work out for a lot of those guys that

151
00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,680
Speaker 3: held out, so that's something to keep in mind that

152
00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,560
Speaker 3: this could obviously change as we get closer to the

153
00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,880
Speaker 3: start of the season. But he is holding out for

154
00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,400
Speaker 3: a contract, so I think that does matter. And then

155
00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 3: the second thing, and Jacob kind of interested to see

156
00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,279
Speaker 3: what you have, What did you have for his target

157
00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,840
Speaker 3: share in this offense? Because TERR mclorin has never really

158
00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,760
Speaker 3: been this major target share earner, even when he's played

159
00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,680
Speaker 3: with or he's been the clear established number one. Even

160
00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,280
Speaker 3: last year, I don't think that he really had more

161
00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,920
Speaker 3: than I think he had a twenty one percent target

162
00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,880
Speaker 3: share last year, which was thirty seventh in the NFL,

163
00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,120
Speaker 3: and there wasn't a lot of target competition last year. Yeah. Yes,

164
00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,560
Speaker 3: it is the corpse of Deebo Samuel that's coming into

165
00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,920
Speaker 3: this offense. But he's still a little bit more of

166
00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760
Speaker 3: an upgrade from what they had there last season. So

167
00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,760
Speaker 3: I see it where he is more in the middle

168
00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400
Speaker 3: teens of receiver. And I will also say that he

169
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 3: kind of goes in a range in the drafts where

170
00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 3: you can poke a lot of holes and a lot

171
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 3: of guys. I like the point that Joe made that

172
00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,960
Speaker 3: he has that high floor, right, you're gonna get your

173
00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,480
Speaker 3: one thousand yards. So even if he's not necessarily, in

174
00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,880
Speaker 3: my opinion, the best pick that you can make in

175
00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,800
Speaker 3: the middle round, I think that he does offer a

176
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,920
Speaker 3: decent floor assuming that his contract gets all solved.

177
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to jump me in and or just

178
00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200
Speaker 2: set me up with the question? Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well no,

179
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 2: I was asking Joe he's hosting the show, like, yeah.

180
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean I was staying out of your way. I

181
00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,920
Speaker 1: like when you guys fight instead of in Jake fighting.

182
00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,280
Speaker 2: For well, So I think that comes down to what

183
00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,119
Speaker 2: cites data too, because if you go to like True Media,

184
00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,200
Speaker 2: they have twenty three point two percent for his team

185
00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,840
Speaker 2: target share last year. So whatever, anyway, point being to

186
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,280
Speaker 2: answer your question for me, I am at twenty two

187
00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,920
Speaker 2: point six. I don't think aggressive, and I don't think

188
00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,560
Speaker 2: it's too low, but I'll go back to that puts

189
00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,640
Speaker 2: him in at one hundred and nineteen. Targets last year

190
00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,040
Speaker 2: was one seventeen. The years before that one thirty one,

191
00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,680
Speaker 2: twenty one, thirty one, twenty, so it's in his wheelhouse. Honestly,

192
00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,840
Speaker 2: don't have him going up or down. I actually just

193
00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,200
Speaker 2: have him almost replicating last year as a projector without

194
00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,520
Speaker 2: the touchdowns. And it's so crazy that Joe brought up

195
00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,520
Speaker 2: with that touchdowns is because even if you take those

196
00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,680
Speaker 2: away and just replicate everything else, which I think would

197
00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,760
Speaker 2: be his floor at this point, it's still a wide

198
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,880
Speaker 2: receiver top twenty at minimum, and that's assuming he's not

199
00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,199
Speaker 2: going to be better on a per catch basis or

200
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,520
Speaker 2: a per target basis with Jene Daniels on year two

201
00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,640
Speaker 2: and the addition to Deebo Samuel, So that's where I'm

202
00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,000
Speaker 2: going with it. I think you could see better efficiency

203
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,400
Speaker 2: and better per target outcomes for him this year, even

204
00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,800
Speaker 2: if the touchdowns real back in.

205
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,439
Speaker 1: I think we should also maybe assume that Jayden Daniels

206
00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,760
Speaker 1: could be better and understand that everything we see in

207
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,600
Speaker 1: mard Hoss again, it was almost in spite of his

208
00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 1: quarterback play. So look, I understand typically we look at

209
00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,320
Speaker 1: touchdown aggression and things like that year over year, but

210
00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,280
Speaker 1: I think McLaurin is a very interesting case study because

211
00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,480
Speaker 1: this is a player who has typically had zero help.

212
00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,280
Speaker 1: Now he's got a rookie quarterback last year who really

213
00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,080
Speaker 1: helped him break out, and who knows. I think there's

214
00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,440
Speaker 1: actually opportunity for everybody to actually come to this table

215
00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,000
Speaker 1: and actually feast a little bit more. Next guy on

216
00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,240
Speaker 1: my list is a running back at forty six of

217
00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,520
Speaker 1: the ECR RB eighteen, Chuba Hubbard last year finished as

218
00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,600
Speaker 1: RB fifteen in the half PPR, he had eleven hundred

219
00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,920
Speaker 1: and ninety five yards ten touchdowns, also caught forty three balls,

220
00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,160
Speaker 1: and I'm a big proponent of follow the money. And

221
00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,199
Speaker 1: remember he did all this and he missed the last

222
00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,760
Speaker 1: two games of the season too, so he's going to

223
00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,960
Speaker 1: be healthy going into this year. I think that people

224
00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,440
Speaker 1: continued to dismiss ericson the Carolina Panthers rightfully. So they've

225
00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,000
Speaker 1: been awful for quite some time. But I think last year,

226
00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,800
Speaker 1: if you were paying attention, and I know we were,

227
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,959
Speaker 1: you really saw a different version of them that latter

228
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,960
Speaker 1: part of the season where things really started to click

229
00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,680
Speaker 1: for this offense a little bit more. And I think

230
00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480
Speaker 1: that it's time to take advantage of a Carolina Panther here.

231
00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,360
Speaker 1: And I got two of them on this list, so

232
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,160
Speaker 1: this is the first one. He were Chewba Hubbard, who

233
00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,400
Speaker 1: I think is a really solid back for your fantasy

234
00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,679
Speaker 1: team that I think people are really if you just

235
00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,400
Speaker 1: take away the team, maybe take away the name, and

236
00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,400
Speaker 1: just look at the raw numbers from last year, it's

237
00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,679
Speaker 1: a pretty valuable player that I think is being undervalued.

238
00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,520
Speaker 3: I think that he's being more closely valued. So I

239
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,880
Speaker 3: will I'll push back here a little bit. I see

240
00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,880
Speaker 3: this backfield being more of a one two punch because

241
00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,079
Speaker 3: you look at the splits last year with Chuba Hubbard,

242
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,920
Speaker 3: especially down the stretch when there really was no one

243
00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,400
Speaker 3: else in that backfield taking on any type of workload.

244
00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,720
Speaker 3: Miles Sanders, Scott Hurt, and Jonathan Brooks was coming back

245
00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,959
Speaker 3: from his injury. But when you include when those guys

246
00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,800
Speaker 3: were healthy in the offense, Jonathan or excuse me, Chewba

247
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,480
Speaker 3: Hubbard was the RB nineteen in terms of points per game.

248
00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,320
Speaker 3: That's how productive he was when those guys missed time.

249
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,199
Speaker 3: And it was clearly Chuba Hubbard when he be seeing

250
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,680
Speaker 3: close to a ninety percent snap share as a full

251
00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,560
Speaker 3: blown workhorse, that's when he was the RB four in

252
00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,160
Speaker 3: pointsberg game. So that was the ceiling outcome. So I

253
00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520
Speaker 3: think that the backfield there's more behind him than it

254
00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,600
Speaker 3: was last year. Between Rico Dawdle and the Trevor E. Tanahero,

255
00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,040
Speaker 3: they drafted in the fourth rond who can offer a

256
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,280
Speaker 3: little bit as a pass as catcher. And the only

257
00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,800
Speaker 3: thing that to conserveer you with Hubbard is I don't

258
00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,160
Speaker 3: think that he's a dynamic receiver. I know that he

259
00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,160
Speaker 3: can catch jump off passes, but his yards per route

260
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,560
Speaker 3: run was really poor last year, so I think that

261
00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,319
Speaker 3: he's more Again, I have him in the back d

262
00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,080
Speaker 3: RB two range, and it's more of a value proposition

263
00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360
Speaker 3: for me, where you know RB two, I'm not trying

264
00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,640
Speaker 3: to put a priority on that in my fantasy drafts.

265
00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I can get that later on in

266
00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,120
Speaker 3: my drafts where I want to prioritize some of the

267
00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,959
Speaker 3: receivers and other running backs, especially he goes in the

268
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,040
Speaker 3: range with a lot of these rookie running backs where

269
00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,679
Speaker 3: if I take Chub Hubbard, that means I'm probably not

270
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,040
Speaker 3: going to get R. J. Harvey or Treveon Henderson. So

271
00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280
Speaker 3: that's kind of the opportunity cost I'm looking at, and

272
00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,760
Speaker 3: I think I can replace Hubbard's production a little bit

273
00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,360
Speaker 3: farther down the line than one of these rookies that

274
00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,080
Speaker 3: could really have a big second half surge.

275
00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've also seen Chuba Hubbard actually contribute where

276
00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,400
Speaker 1: the other guys is still theoretical, and I will say too,

277
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,520
Speaker 1: five to the last seven games that he played in

278
00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,680
Speaker 1: he finished as an RB one. I think that's also

279
00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,760
Speaker 1: something we should think about. And when the Panthers offense

280
00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,080
Speaker 1: was better is when Cuba was getting the line's share

281
00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,000
Speaker 1: of the workload. So, Jake, I'm going to put it

282
00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,280
Speaker 1: to you. With Chuba Hubbard, I feel like he's part

283
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,600
Speaker 1: of the secret soft that turned this offense around last year.

284
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,520
Speaker 1: So it's not trying to put him in a timeshare again,

285
00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,160
Speaker 1: it's trying to make sure that he is healthy for

286
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760
Speaker 1: the season and ready to rock and roll and ready

287
00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,320
Speaker 1: to be that lead back. And I don't look at

288
00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,559
Speaker 1: some of the guys at this roster is legitimate threats

289
00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,080
Speaker 1: to eating into too much of his workload.

290
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,800
Speaker 2: To you, I don't, and I promise at some point

291
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to disagree with you. So so so far.

292
00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this. Typically. Yeah, I like when you actually

293
00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,400
Speaker 1: support me for a change in life.

294
00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,400
Speaker 2: I know you like that.

295
00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:27,800
Speaker 1: Here's why.

296
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 2: So it's not just projections, because projections only has him

297
00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,280
Speaker 2: as RB eighteen in points, as in that's what he

298
00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,079
Speaker 2: would have been last year, and for two oh eight

299
00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,640
Speaker 2: that would have been RB eighteen and Abby RB eighteen

300
00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,520
Speaker 2: on most years. What we have to include here and

301
00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,480
Speaker 2: why we have ranks versus projections, and why some of

302
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,240
Speaker 2: mine will skew differently. I actually have him at RB

303
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,719
Speaker 2: fifteen because I think there's fewer questions. So no, or

304
00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,800
Speaker 2: RB eighteen at two o eight doesn't sound as appealing

305
00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,480
Speaker 2: as RB fifteen. And what we're trying to argue for Hubbard.

306
00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,960
Speaker 2: But when you say Hubbard in front of James Connor,

307
00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,160
Speaker 2: injury risk, Hubbard in front of Trevion Henderson, who you

308
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,680
Speaker 2: know you just brought up ericson. But is he definitely

309
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,080
Speaker 2: the guy? I'm a huge Trevion Henderson fan, huge, But

310
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 2: is he guaranteed to be the lead? Is he guaranteed

311
00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,240
Speaker 2: to see fifty percent of the work? Fifty five percent?

312
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 2: Is he guaranteed to see goal line work? DeAndre Swift?

313
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm higher on the most questions there, Marion Hampton questions there, like,

314
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,280
Speaker 2: it's just the fact that I know Hubbard is the

315
00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,760
Speaker 2: lead back for the Panthers, even if it's not the

316
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,400
Speaker 2: same near twenty touch per game rate that it was

317
00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,559
Speaker 2: towards the end of the season that you're referencing Joe.

318
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,120
Speaker 2: It's the good part here is you know he's going

319
00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,320
Speaker 2: to be the one. I am not afraid of.

320
00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,120
Speaker 1: Rico Daddell.

321
00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,959
Speaker 2: I brought this up in the comments for one of

322
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,840
Speaker 2: the videos that we did a few weeks ago. The

323
00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,720
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys who just had Rico Daddle do Rico Daddle things, said,

324
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,600
Speaker 2: you know what we saw that we're not even going

325
00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160
Speaker 2: to offer you two and a half million. Instead, we're

326
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 2: going to offer three million to a dude's me who

327
00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,880
Speaker 2: might not even exist anymore. Like that's how much they

328
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,280
Speaker 2: were kind of like, we don't care. Goodbye ried o'dalio

329
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,120
Speaker 2: for your one year, two and a half million dollars.

330
00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,079
Speaker 2: That tells me what the NFL well thinks of Rito

331
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,720
Speaker 2: Rico Daddle, which is different from fantasy, is that I

332
00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,000
Speaker 2: don't think he's a threat. I just don't think anybody

333
00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 2: and I'm a Trevor Etang guy, I just don't think

334
00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,120
Speaker 2: he's a threat. I think Hubbard's going to be one

335
00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 2: of the few running backs who has two hundred and

336
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,440
Speaker 2: sixty plus touches this year, and everybody behind him in

337
00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 2: my rankings have more questions.

338
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,520
Speaker 1: You know, I might just end the show here because

339
00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Jake has agreed with the first two players right out

340
00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,400
Speaker 1: of the gate that I saw.

341
00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,920
Speaker 2: I'll give you an it's number three. This would be

342
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,800
Speaker 2: a good time to end the show because I'm about

343
00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,200
Speaker 2: to I.

344
00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,760
Speaker 1: Know, I feel like I'm pushing the envelope here, but

345
00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe Ericson will agree with his next one again. Look,

346
00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,480
Speaker 1: I like the rookie running backs, Henderson especially too. I

347
00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,240
Speaker 1: think he's that big play guy that they have lacked

348
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,160
Speaker 1: in that offense for some time. But ramondre Stevenson is

349
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,200
Speaker 1: still there and we don't know what that workloaded. I mean,

350
00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200
Speaker 1: it could be eight nine weeks into the season until

351
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,720
Speaker 1: we see Henderson even take that over completely. You just

352
00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,320
Speaker 1: don't know. But I know what I saw from Chew

353
00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,720
Speaker 1: Hubbard last year. And again I'm following the money. They

354
00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,720
Speaker 1: signed to a contract extension last year, which a lot

355
00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,160
Speaker 1: of us kind of went, wow, that's odd, that's interesting,

356
00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the season we went, yeah,

357
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,080
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. It a good thing they

358
00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,400
Speaker 1: did that because Jonathan Brooks isn't playing maybe ever again,

359
00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,400
Speaker 1: and what they were able to bring in wasn't great.

360
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,760
Speaker 1: So last guy on my list of the top fifteen,

361
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,400
Speaker 1: I just knuck him in here, Number forty nine, Courtland Sutton.

362
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,120
Speaker 1: He is wide receiver twenty three right now in the ECR,

363
00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,800
Speaker 1: despite the fact that he was wide receiver thirteen last year.

364
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 1: Eighty one receptions, one hundred and thirty five targets, over

365
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,920
Speaker 1: a thousand yards, eight touchdowns. Now, I know, we all

366
00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,960
Speaker 1: hope and think that Evan Ingram is going to contribute,

367
00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,240
Speaker 1: and it seems to make a lot of sense on paper.

368
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,560
Speaker 1: A lot of people that like Marvin Mamms or some

369
00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 1: other talent there. You know, people were excited about RJ. Harvey.

370
00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,440
Speaker 1: The only thing that I know is that bo Nicks

371
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 1: can find Courtland Sutton. That's all that I know about

372
00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,440
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos that I feel good is investible that

373
00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640
Speaker 1: I am looking at it in fantasy and saying, yes,

374
00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 1: I know that's the number one guy in this offense

375
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,040
Speaker 1: and I want him. And I think you're getting a

376
00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,920
Speaker 1: huge discount on Courtland Sutton this year. So I'm going

377
00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,760
Speaker 1: to ignore Jake Seely because I have a bad feeling

378
00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,120
Speaker 1: about this and instead go to the original og Courtland

379
00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,720
Speaker 1: Sutton guy for some support. Andrew Rickson, what say you, Well, he.

380
00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,880
Speaker 3: Was wide receiver twenty three points per game, so that's

381
00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 3: I think the fact that he played all the games

382
00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,080
Speaker 3: mostly last year kind of is bumping up his final

383
00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,040
Speaker 3: stat line. And I think Evan Ingram is going to

384
00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,920
Speaker 3: make a difference. I mean, last year, Quolton Sutton really

385
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,760
Speaker 3: had no target competition. It was a bunch of rookie receivers.

386
00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,560
Speaker 3: You had Marvin Mims entering the second year still in

387
00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,960
Speaker 3: the doghouse. But now all these young receivers are now

388
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,240
Speaker 3: taking another step forward another year in the Sean Payton system.

389
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,440
Speaker 3: Marvin Mims entering year three, Troy Franklin. Entering year two,

390
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,160
Speaker 3: they drafted Pat Bryant, They brought an Eman Ingram. We

391
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,360
Speaker 3: don't know exactly who the joker is in this offense,

392
00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 3: but it's not Quurlton Sutton. Like we feel pretty clear

393
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,280
Speaker 3: about that. So even though you pointed to, yes, we

394
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 3: feel good about bon Nicks and this Sutton connection, but

395
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,320
Speaker 3: I think that might have hit its peak potentially last year.

396
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,640
Speaker 3: Sutton was gobbled of all the high value opportunities, everything downfield,

397
00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,880
Speaker 3: everything in the red zone. And I just think that

398
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,920
Speaker 3: the Broncos they want to run the football. They tried

399
00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,440
Speaker 3: to do it last year. Again, to point to Jake's point,

400
00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,640
Speaker 3: Abu Jevonte Williams, they had a guy without any essentially

401
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,800
Speaker 3: leaving the backfield, and it wasn't working out really that great.

402
00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,800
Speaker 3: So I think they run the ball a little bit

403
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,960
Speaker 3: more with the dynamic running back with Jak Dobbins, with RJ. Harvey,

404
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,480
Speaker 3: I think v Ingram's going to become bone Nicks's favorite

405
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,159
Speaker 3: check down target in this passing game. I think that's

406
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,480
Speaker 3: going to negally impact Courtland Sutton. So I mean last

407
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,400
Speaker 3: year during his second half tear, when he was basically

408
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 3: it was after that Saints game where he said he

409
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,919
Speaker 3: got no targets on Thursday Night Football and Sean Payton

410
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760
Speaker 3: like publicly apologized about for Carland sutt and then we

411
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600
Speaker 3: got to get the sky on the ball. He dominated

412
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,440
Speaker 3: production from that point on, and no one else in

413
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,639
Speaker 3: the offense had a twelve percent target chair or higher.

414
00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,560
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's going to be the case

415
00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,760
Speaker 3: this year, so I'm a little bit lower. I've met

416
00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,760
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty eight.

417
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting, though, you're dinging my guy Courtland Sutton

418
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 1: here because he played every game, and instead we're going

419
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,040
Speaker 1: to think that Evan Ingram, who could barely get on

420
00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,199
Speaker 1: the field last year, is somehow going to be a

421
00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,680
Speaker 1: savior in fantasy. Jake, I like players who play football.

422
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 1: That's what I like, the guys who show up every week,

423
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,760
Speaker 1: because you know what, the guys that don't ay Fantasy

424
00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,200
Speaker 1: points per game is important. I always talk about that

425
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,680
Speaker 1: in the Black Book too, But playing games every week

426
00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,640
Speaker 1: is also important. Guys who get on the field, Guys

427
00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,480
Speaker 1: who are available and produce at a high level when

428
00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 1: they are on the field. And I'm looking at Courtland

429
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,040
Speaker 1: Sutton and to me, I look at these he are

430
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,560
Speaker 1: and I see, you know, guys around him that have

431
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,199
Speaker 1: some more questions than answers. I mean, I know Devanta

432
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240
Speaker 1: Smith is after him. Jamison Williams had a nice season.

433
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,240
Speaker 1: I can understand making the case for him. But you

434
00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,600
Speaker 1: know we're still talking about Xavier Worthy, Chris o'lave. I'll

435
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,639
Speaker 1: take Horton and Sutton or both of those guys, and

436
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,879
Speaker 1: they're all in that same grouping.

437
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,879
Speaker 2: So one is I'm hiring on a lave than a

438
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 2: lot of people. So who won't get me on that one?

439
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,199
Speaker 2: I can see the case actually have.

440
00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 1: That's a whole other show, because yeah, I have a sandwich, right,

441
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,760
Speaker 1: I want to know why about that? But I'm not

442
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,480
Speaker 1: going to ask for that. Today's that we don't have

443
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,439
Speaker 1: the time for that one.

444
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 2: He's actually you brought up to He's sandwich between Jamison

445
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,159
Speaker 2: and DeVante Smiths for me at twenty seven. And it

446
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,240
Speaker 2: really comes down to there's not a lot what you

447
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 2: said that was wrong. It just comes down to what

448
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,399
Speaker 2: do we believe for this season. I feel like they

449
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 2: have for the first time Ericson are in the same page.

450
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 2: And maybe the question she actually be when is Rickson

451
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,280
Speaker 2: going to agree with you? Because he's come after you

452
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 2: for all three so far. But the biggest thing here

453
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,879
Speaker 2: is I look at it and Evan Ingram in the

454
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 2: joker role. It's not even just Evan Ingram. I've said

455
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,400
Speaker 2: this a lot on these shows, and I would bring

456
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's creating his Saints in Denver. It's not exactly

457
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 2: the Saints. It's not Drew Brees that he doesn't have

458
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,119
Speaker 2: a Marquise Colston or Michael Thomas, but he has some

459
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: similar weapons. And if you look back at like the

460
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham years, the number one wide receiver for that

461
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: team averaged about one hundred and twelve to one hundred

462
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 2: and fifteen targets usually, And I'm not afraid of Emon

463
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,439
Speaker 2: Ingram getting one hundred and thirty targets. I'm actually mostly

464
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 2: not drafting Evan Ingram. It's just that Sutton with everything,

465
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 2: and it was his highest team target share since his

466
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: second year, which back then with Joe Flacco had nobody

467
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: else on that team to throw to. But if you

468
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,719
Speaker 2: look at it, you go down this list, it's like

469
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: there are weapons. There's Devon Veeley, who a lot of

470
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 2: people are giving credit for this offseason that might step

471
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: up as the number two, and nobody's even brought up

472
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,479
Speaker 2: his name, including Marvin Mims and Pat Bryant who they

473
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: drafted who I think plays that kind of Marcus rolled

474
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 2: to Michael Thomas' role on the team, which some I said,

475
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,959
Speaker 2: well maybe he's more Lance Moore, and I think that

476
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: makes sense too. But then the RJ. Harvey and everything

477
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: in the backfield a jkdut like there's just weapons galore

478
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 2: where I find it hard to give Courtland Sutton more

479
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: than one hundred and fifteen ish targets, which is why

480
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: I brought that up, and it's not again referencing the

481
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham seasons to say that's why. It's just I

482
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: just don't see where he's going to get back into

483
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty plus targets, which I think he

484
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: needs to get inside the top twenty. But you are right,

485
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: he is one of the safest like fringe wide receiver

486
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: two threes for me, like, I feel very good about him.

487
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 2: If I took a dice roll on my wide receiver two.

488
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: I would agree. As a number two, I love it.

489
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: And you can get him just about as a three

490
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: in a lot of leagues, and you make a good point. Yes,

491
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent around this roster. Now, however,

492
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of is theoretical. I want to add

493
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: that word theoretical. Maybe Veley, maybe Harvey, maybe JK. Dobbins,

494
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: knees hold up, maybe maybe maybe Courtland Sutton. I know

495
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: what I'm getting. I'm taking it all right. Let's move

496
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: on to the next grouping here, players fifty one through

497
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: one one hundred before we do, quick shout out because

498
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: nothing beats relaxing on a hot summer day and just

499
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: chilling out by the pool and watching a little baseball

500
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: along with it. Of course, Fantasy pros MLB is here

501
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: for you for all your baseball needs, and the simplest

502
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: way to get it on the action while you're watching

503
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: a little Fantasy pros MLB is to download the Pick

504
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: six app from DraftKings. It's super simple. Just pick more

505
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: or less on the stats for two or more of

506
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: your favorite players, and boom, just like that, you're in

507
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 1: the mix for big cash prizes, no gimmicks, no weird rules,

508
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: just ball. So Pick six from DraftKings is the most

509
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: fun way for you to play fantasy sports. Download the

510
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: DraftKings Pick six app now and use that code Fantasy Pros.

511
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: That's promo code Fantasy Pros. New customers can get a

512
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: special sign up offer today, better payouts, bigger wins only

513
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: with Pick six from DraftKings.

514
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 4: The Crown is yours gambling problem called one eight hundred.

515
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 4: Gambler Help is available for problem gambling call eight eight

516
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 4: eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit

517
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 4: CCPG dot Oregon, Connecticut. Must be eighteen and over. A

518
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 4: eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Pick six non available everywhere,

519
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: including New York and Ontario. Void were prohibited one per

520
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: new customer. Bonus awarded as none withdrawable Pick six credits

521
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 4: that expire in fourteen days limited time offer. See terms

522
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 4: at pick six at DraftKings dot com slash promos.

523
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: Next on our list here, coming in at number sixty four.

524
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: We kind of mentioned him already, Traveon Henderson. Now, I

525
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: do believe in the talent here. I also believe in

526
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: new regimes, and when a new regime comes in, it'

527
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: SARTs taking guys pay attention because they don't necessarily want

528
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: the guys that were there before. And Travion Henderson, I'm

529
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: sure you've heard it all. I don't know somewhere we've

530
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: seen one and about five thousand times that he's also

531
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: good at pass blocking. Do you guys know Travion Henderson

532
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: is a good pass blocking It's all anybody wants to

533
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: talk about this summer already is Trevon Henderson's passblocket, which

534
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: is great. Let's talk about the explosiveness, Let's talk about

535
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: the speed. Let's talk about the lack of playmakers the

536
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: Patriots have had, and Travion Henderson fits a Josh McDaniel's

537
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: offense very well. So before I get to mister Patriot,

538
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: because I think I know where he lies on this one,

539
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: I want to start with Jake Seely Jake On Henderson

540
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: right now currently, I'm looking at him as RB twenty four.

541
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that is being very low on Trevion Henderson

542
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: and what his upside could be. I understand you mentioned

543
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: before we're not exactly sure how things are going to

544
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 1: work out. But what I do know is Mike Rabel's

545
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: come to town and losing is over for the Patriots. They

546
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: got a much better schedule, and I think Travon Henderson

547
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: is going to be a big part of what they

548
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: do offensively in twenty twenty five? What do you think?

549
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: So two thumbs up?

550
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: If I had more thumbs if you could ai in

551
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: my hands, I'd like to give you more thumbs on too, because.

552
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: I hate to make you count to twenty one. It's

553
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 1: the worst.

554
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: It's really difficult. Oh it comes after thirteen at some

555
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: point right before seven, I don't know. Somewhere in there,

556
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson. Let's get back to Travion Henderson. The draft

557
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: comp I even threw out was people, remember if I

558
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: said this, You remember the little wheel cars that you

559
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: pulled back with the spring and it just like the

560
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: oh yeah, as far as and then you let oh,

561
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: that's Travion Henderson. And that's why I like him so much.

562
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I also brought up why in my breakout running back

563
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: article why he can do it even without getting sixty percent,

564
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: because you go back to you something you just brought

565
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 2: up which was kind of buried in there is James

566
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: White is one of two running backs in the last

567
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: ten years to finish as a top twenty running back

568
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: and not touching the ball at least two hundred and

569
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: ten times. Why because of the receiving game. Oh, by

570
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: the way, who did he do that with with the Patriots?

571
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: And under that Josh McDaniel's offense is that Treveon Henderson

572
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: can do it on a two hundred. I want to

573
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: be touch to two hundred targets, two hundred touches. That

574
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: would be impressive. Two hundred targets, two hundred touches, that'd

575
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: be nice. I know the number one running back overall,

576
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: Screw you, Ashton genty really because that tires the two

577
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: hundred touches for Henderson that I believe is in play,

578
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: whether or not he liked to go back to my

579
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: point where we're talking about Hubbard, is if he is

580
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 2: the lead or not, it's okay because I believe in

581
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: what he can do on a per touch basis. Maybe

582
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 2: the touchdowns aren't high enough to push him as an

583
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: RB one, but I am an art be eighteen in

584
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: front of another rookie running back into Mario and Hampton,

585
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: and if you tell me talent versus talent, I'll take

586
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: Hampton every single time. But I like the situation for

587
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: Henderson mostly because of how much I think he'll get

588
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: value in the receiving game as well.

589
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and James White was a I believe a fourth

590
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: round pick, if memory serves right, a little bit more

591
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: draft capital and Trevon Henderson and a little bit more

592
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: need to really just remake this offense. Erickson, I think

593
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: where Jacasim at eighteen is good. I think he's easily

594
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: you could see him by the end of the year,

595
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: especially in PPR league's cracking top fifteen. I think that's

596
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: the thing I'm looking for. That playmaking ability, pass catching ability,

597
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: all that in there where man like the fantasy points

598
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I think are going to be a lot of Trevion

599
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: Henderson from that backfield. What do you think?

600
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 3: I agree with you, guys. I think that he's he's

601
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: going I think that he's undervalued. And as more teams

602
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: in the NFL follow a running back by committee type

603
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: of offense, because that's where a lot of the league

604
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: is going. Especially with the two high safeties, you need

605
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: multiple running backs. There's not as many bell cows as

606
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: there once was, so how do you find the running

607
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: backs in the committees that still can be productive. It's

608
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: guys like Trevon Henderson who are built to operate on

609
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: all three downs, catch passes out of the backfield because

610
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: they can also operate an elite no, you're not given

611
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: enough credit. He's elite in pass bro as a rookie,

612
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: he's elite. That's okay, So we got to give him

613
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: more credit. We got to lax more credic about his

614
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: pass protection and he's super explosive. So my calm for

615
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: him coming out with Tony Pollard, and we saw it

616
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Pollard where he needed Zeke in that backfield to be

617
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: uber efficient and be productive. It is when they overloaded

618
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: him with touches when he broke down, and we saw

619
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: it with Henderson at Ohio State. This guy was constantly

620
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: banged up. So he needs Remandre, He needs Intrudo Gibson

621
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 3: to take the in between the touch tackles to help

622
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: him stay fresh for a seventeen game season so he

623
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: can still deliver on all the jews and all the

624
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: explosive plays he can have as an outside runner out

625
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: of the backfield catching passes. So that's why I think

626
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: Henderson is just when you're looking at the archetype of player,

627
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: he's a good bet to make on, especially as a

628
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: rookie in this year's class that's so loaded with talent.

629
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: I think that he's a great pick. And Mike Rabel

630
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: he knows a couple things about Ohio State. Okay, I

631
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: think he has the intel about how good of a Henderson,

632
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: how good of a prospect, how good of a player

633
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: he can be. In this office, I think he's going

634
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: to be put in positions to succeed. He's not going

635
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: to be asked to do things that aren't going to

636
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: help him put up stats. So sign me up, all.

637
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Right, sign me up for the next guy here tenor

638
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: Rolla McMillan, another rookie wide receiver thirty four in ECR

639
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: at seventy four right now. And you know it's funny

640
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: because last year Brian Thomas was I think the wide

641
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: receiver forty six from where I'm looking at Fantasy Pros

642
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: consensus ADP. Last year he was a overall one hundred

643
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: and nine. Now, I'm not saying he's going to be

644
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas junior, but I will say this, he's clearly

645
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: the best number one target in terms of wide receiver

646
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: at that position. Right He is the guy they spent

647
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: the big draft capital on. Correct, he also comes into

648
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: a situation where the offense was improving and oh wait,

649
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: the defense still sucks, which means at the end of

650
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: the day, They're still going to have to throw the

651
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: football a ton and trying to stay in these games.

652
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: That's good for fantasy. Maybe not so good for the

653
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: Panthers when lost record, but it's good for me in

654
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: my fantasy equity. And Ted McMillan, I believe it was.

655
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: I know Jake was on that show. I don't remember

656
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: who else was in this discussion with us Jake, we

657
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: were talking about the fatigue of like tech. McMillan was

658
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: really good, h and then eventually we got tired of

659
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: just saying it and we were trying to poke holes

660
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: and figure it out. Well, I'm not trying to poke

661
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: any more holes. In fact, I'm trying to just pick

662
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: Tenoro McMillan on my fantasy team. So Erickson, let's start

663
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: with you on this one, because you were by far

664
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the guy leading the pack last year. If you watched

665
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: any of the shows, it was Andrew Erickson all Brian Thomas,

666
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: all the time, and he was one hundred percent right.

667
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying this is copy and paste. I

668
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: am saying it's ierily familiar, and I want to take

669
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: advantage of it.

670
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: Andrew, Well, if Jake had been on more shows last year,

671
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: we would have been handholding for Brian Thomas.

672
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: You I don't even know who has to sign football

673
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: from Brian Thomas sitting next to him.

674
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, not you, that's right, don't don't.

675
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: All I got is the winning ticket.

676
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: You know what that could buy a lot of football?

677
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Is that ticket? Exactly? Does it kind of like harken

678
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: back a little bit where it feels like a little

679
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: deja voudio right now?

680
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't say it feels the same because

681
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: I think Brian Thomas Junior he just got undervalued because

682
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: he was the second fiddle to the leagueighbors who I

683
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: was also a generational wide receiver talent, and that's kind

684
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: of why he got knocked. Even though there was clear

685
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: opportunity in the Jacksonville Jaguars offense for him to vacuum

686
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: up targets after they had lost Calvin Ridley gave Davis

687
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: as part of that offense, we know he's never commanded

688
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: targets at a high level. So now with t MAC,

689
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: I think that this is such a good spot for him.

690
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: I think that stylistically he fits really well with what

691
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: Bryce Young does really well. He could work the intermediate

692
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: level of the field, and you look at this Dave

693
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Canal's offense in terms of who's been operating as that

694
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: wide receiver one at times like they've been really productive

695
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: for fantasy. I mean, Adam Thielen had over one hundred

696
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: catches a thousand receiving yards during Bryce Young's rookie season.

697
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: Adam Fieln is no spring chicken. Okay, he's an older guy,

698
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: but he's been able to produce in this office with

699
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: Bryce Young last year. If you look at the Num.

700
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: One receiver in this offense between Deontay Johnson and Adam Fielan,

701
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: at times they were pacing for over eleven hundred yards

702
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: over a seventeen game sample size, thirty three percent first

703
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: read target share. And in Adam Fieland's last six games

704
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: when he came back from his injury again at thirty

705
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: four years old, he was averaging nearly fifteen Fantasy points

706
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: per game in half PBR that would have been top

707
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: eight among all wide receivers last season. So the Panthers

708
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: told us exactly what they want to do. Like you said, Joe,

709
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: they have one of the worst defenses of the NFL,

710
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: and what do they do with their first pick?

711
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: In the draft, they.

712
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 3: Draft a wide receiver because that's right by young. We

713
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: need to get Bryce Sung offensive pieces, and they thought

714
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: that Tetroo McMillan was that special of a guy that

715
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: despite all their needs on defense, like, Nope, we cannot

716
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: pass on this guy. We have to get Bryce Sung,

717
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: an alpha wide receiver. I think that could be him.

718
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: So he's firmly inside my top twenty four. I was

719
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: so shocked that his ECR is as low as it is,

720
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: as outside the top thirty.

721
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Jake, were you surprised too that McMillan's value is where

722
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: it is currently. I mean that might change by the

723
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: time we get into the thick of draft season and

724
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: is more and more you know, fantasy analysts are talking

725
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: up people, But right now, especially early on, I just

726
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: think it's way under where it should be, which is good.

727
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I want to take him there,

728
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: but I just see the floor being higher and maybe

729
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: even the ceiling being higher than people expect.

730
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: I think the ceiling is higher. I don't know what

731
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: the floor is. I think this is the one where

732
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to kind of come down on. I think

733
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: the ECR is about right. I am at wide receiver

734
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: thirty four. I think because there's questions like and this

735
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: is coming from somebody and not to be like, hey,

736
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: look at me, because I could certainly be wrong about

737
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: this. This is not happening. So like I am on the

738
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: let's look at Bryce Young at the end of last year,

739
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: for those last five or six games and say, oh,

740
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: look at how well he played under pressure, look at

741
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: how well he started to look like the quarterback from Alabama.

742
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the improvements he finally made and maybe

743
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: that carries over this year. But carrying that over to

744
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: this year still has to go further than just the

745
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: way that he played, including the rushing touchdowns for us

746
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: in fantasy, is that there was still completion percentage concerns,

747
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: as in the completions that he left on the field,

748
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: as in being.

749
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Off at times.

750
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: So what I come down to is does Teterero McMillan

751
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: have sixty sixty one completion percentage as a rookie or

752
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: does he push up to like the sixty eight seventy

753
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: percent which he's capable of doing, but doesn't come down

754
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: to Bryce Young's play because the biggest to come back

755
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: the next level from that, The biggest factor is I

756
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: have him for about one hundred twenty five targets. One

757
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty hundred and forty is probably what we

758
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: want to see to get him in that wide receiver

759
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: one territory. But a big difference between catching sixty percent

760
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: of the balls and sixty eight percent of the balls

761
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty twenty five targets is going to

762
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: be the difference when you're in this conglomeration of wide

763
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: receivers that like it's one point per game difference from

764
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: about wide receiver twenty two to about thirty two. So

765
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: the range of outcomes for McMillan is quite large, Like

766
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: you could be right at the end of the year

767
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: just by other wide receivers taking a slight step back

768
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: or falling off, or I could be right just because

769
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: other wide receivers stepped up and finally hit their season.

770
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: So I have him in this range mostly because he's

771
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: alongside names like Juwan Jennings and Calvin Ridley and himself

772
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: and Xavier Worthy and stuff like that, where I'll take

773
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: him if he's in this range as the wide receiver,

774
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: but I'm just not going to take him at the

775
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: top of this tier, which is probably like the only

776
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: difference we have.

777
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm in on him.

778
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: I just would take him more at his floor than

779
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: his ceiling.

780
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros projections you can go look right now on

781
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: the website. Sixty six receptions, eight hundred and seventy eight yards,

782
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: five touchdowns. I think it's more like about eighty something receptions.

783
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I think you're getting closer to one thousand yards in

784
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: his rookie season, I honestly do. And I think we're

785
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: looking at maybe seven to eight touchdowns, and I think

786
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm right in between that respect seventy four nine and six. Wow,

787
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: which that happens pretty good. I gotta say once again,

788
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: a Chris o'lave who's had concussion issues, who has no

789
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: quarterback play, that team is a complete disaster. They're going

790
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: two picks away from each other. Ah. Sorry, Like I'm

791
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: gonna take McMillan every single time. There another rookie here,

792
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: A lot of rookies in this area, but that's kind

793
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: of what you're getting. Outside of that top fifty to

794
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: one hundred range of the guys that are undervalue, there

795
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: will be a vetter in here. I assure you. Caleb

796
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: Johnson is next on this list. And you know, once

797
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: we get into the oh, the leaves start to fall

798
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, you know, and all of a sudden it

799
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: gets a little chillier. I just think Caleb Johnson is

800
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: the perfect fit here for what the steat Whaters want

801
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to do, which is run the football. And I'm a

802
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: little tired of all the Jalen Warren hype. He's had

803
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: three years and not one of them as he finishes

804
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: an RB two, So can we just stop with the

805
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren stuff, like, yeah, okay, he does some fun things,

806
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's had some injury issues. Caleb Johnson, I think,

807
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: is the perfect fit for the Pittsburgh Dealers, the perfect

808
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: fit for this offense, what they want to do. They're

809
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to support Aaron Rodgers because he's one hundred

810
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: and twelve years old and that's important with a run game,

811
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: and he is going to be the guy at the

812
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: goal line. He is going to be the guy that

813
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: you get those fantasy points in those standard leagues and

814
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: those half PPR leagues, those touchdowns are gonna matter. I

815
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: think Caleb's going to be that guy there. And personally,

816
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Caleb Johnson right now at RB twenty

817
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: nine and ECR seventy five is a pretty darn good value. Jake,

818
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Caleb Johnson. I know we've

819
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: had this discussion before, but do you see him as

820
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that same kind of undervalued player that you kind of

821
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: need on your roster as well, especially if you are

822
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: an early wide receiver builder kind of a manager.

823
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: I would say yes, value, I need only because I

824
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: think there's plenty of running backs kind of in this

825
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: range that could go either way. I'm at twenty five,

826
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: so I'm ahead on consensus on this one. And it

827
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: comes down to something you said in there is like

828
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: we can stop with Jalen Warren at this point. The

829
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: Steelers have told us they do not want Jalen Warren

830
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: to be the lead. Like pay attention to these teams.

831
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: They tell you a lot of things, and like we

832
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: can sit back and play armchair quarterback. That's hell, that's

833
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: our job right now, and sit here and be like, oh,

834
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: why don't they do this? Why shouldn't they like give

835
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: this more touch? And then the teams don't do it. Well,

836
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: oh surprise. Maybe sometimes these teams know Lamar Miller, but

837
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 2: give more touches. Give the more touches, give more touches,

838
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: they give more touches on a new team, and guess

839
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: what happens. He's Lamar Miller putting up the same damn

840
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: numbers at a worse efficiency. Actually, to bring up to

841
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard, thing that Erickson said before is like, sometimes

842
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: these teams know who are they replacing Naje Harris with,

843
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: not Jalen Warren with Caleb Johnson. And this is coming

844
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: from somebody who got attacked during the draft process for

845
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: calling Caleb Johnson Tayler Algier like that was a bad thing.

846
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Tyler Algier's rookie season when the

847
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: Falcons had nothing else and it was like, hey, let's

848
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: see what Tayler Algier can do. Only two hundred and

849
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: ten carries. He was inside the top twenty because he

850
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 2: was very effective and some of those games were volume.

851
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: But Tyler Algier is not a negative for Caleb Johnson.

852
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: And if he had those two hundred and fifty ish

853
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: about touches as a rookie, which I think is certainly

854
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: in play, then RB twenty five might be low. Honestly,

855
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: so I think he's more likely to also be the

856
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: goal line option than Jalen Warren. So I'm with you,

857
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: is like, do I have to get him? No? But

858
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: if I'm in this range and saying, who am I

859
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: more likely to take the lead running back on the

860
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Steelers or the backup time share running back on the Lions,

861
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: who were just assuming everything's going to be gravy and

862
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: good when Ben Johnson's gone and it's just gonna be

863
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: David Montgomery's glorious days all over again, I'd rather take

864
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: Caleb Johnson to David Montgomery.

865
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: All right, Andrew Erickson, how do you feel about the

866
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson experience in twenty twenty five?

867
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. Sign me up. I got him

868
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: right where Jake hasim rank, so I have him at

869
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 3: RB twenty four, And to me, it's such a great

870
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: system fit. And I think it's kind of telling that

871
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: a player like Hilli Johnson, who I think that if

872
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: you were projecting his draft capital, we thought that he

873
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: would probably be a round two pick. He ended up

874
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: falling all the weight to round three, and the Steelers

875
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: really rolled the dice because they didn't have a second

876
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: round pick because they traded it to get DK Metcalf,

877
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: So for him to fall because I think that there

878
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: were things you could poke in his profile based on

879
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 3: his running style, very boomer bust type of rusher, where

880
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: he could have been a massive bust. I think on

881
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 3: a lot of different teams where he just wouldn't fit

882
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: what they look at stylistically. I know when we talked

883
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: about him really early the offseason, I comped him to

884
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry. I thought he was a mini Derek Henry.

885
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: He just run so stylistically he needs time to build

886
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: up speed, build up that acceleration and then he hits

887
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: the home run. Well, Arthur Smith knows how to work

888
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: with a Derek Henry type running back like he's done

889
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: it before, so it's the perfect fit. It reminds me

890
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: so much of when McDaniel drafted two years ago. It's

891
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: so perfect for what this head coach wants or what

892
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: this officive coordinator wants to do and run their offense.

893
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 3: So I love it here. Javin Warren, yes, a nice

894
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: back at times, but not a three down rusher. I

895
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: think that he'll be a good compliment to Cale Johnson,

896
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: especially in pass protection, catching pass out of the backfield.

897
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: But the fact that Aaron Rodgers is back there, I

898
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: think Cale Johnson is still going to catch a couple

899
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: passes on early downs, even if that's not really his

900
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: claim to fame. So when this offense has opportunities to

901
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: run out games in the second half play strong defense,

902
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: I think Cale Johnson is going to be the guy

903
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: their feeding the ball to twenty twenty five times potentially

904
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: in some of these games. So I'm on board.

905
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: The next player on my list at eighty two in

906
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: the ECR tight End six is Mark Andrews, and he's

907
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: also the topic of today's Chasing Challenger segment, brought to

908
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: you by Microsoft. Just like the athletes who push boundaries

909
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: and redefine what's possible, business decision makers today are turning

910
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: challenges into opportunities. And Microsoft meets you where you are

911
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: with tools and guidance to help you make an impact

912
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: with safe, secure AI solutions. So whatever challenges your facing,

913
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say, bring it on.

914
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: And this segment, we're gonna talk about Mark Andrews. Why

915
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: because the first six weeks of the season were not

916
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: good for Mark Andrews. Just ask Andrew Rickson. He knows

917
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: he knows a thing or two about the pain of

918
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: the drafting of Mark Andrews last year and maybe the

919
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: pain of those people who dropped him or traded him away,

920
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: because from Week seven on, Mark Andrews was tight end

921
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: four overall and half PPR and he led all tight

922
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: ends in touchdowns with ten over that span. But nobody

923
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: seems to care and there seems to be a negative

924
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: stigma attached to him. Why because at the end of

925
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: the year he had that terrible drop and a really

926
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: tough catch in Buffalo in the cold, back pedaling and

927
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: he couldn't hold onto a touchdown that might have sent

928
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: the Ravens eventually to a Super Bowl. Well, things happened sometimes,

929
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: and I think we also forget that Mark Andrews also

930
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: was involved in that car accident in the summer last

931
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: year and maybe that had something to do with the

932
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: slow start to the season for him. So yeah, Isaiah

933
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: likely still floating around, but Mark Andrews still the go

934
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: to guy in the red zone for Lamar Jackson. And

935
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: that's why taking him this year once again, where you

936
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: have to take some tight ends really early, like McBride

937
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: and Bowers, I like the value I'm getting on Mark Andrews,

938
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: and that, my friends, is this week's Chasing Challenges segment.

939
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: Remember Microsoft AI solutions of power you to take bold

940
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: steps and new ideas to help drive your business forward.

941
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: With Microsoft as your trusted partner, you can navigate your

942
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: journey with confidence, finding innovative solutions and reaching new possibilities.

943
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: Visit Microsoft dot com Slash Challengers to learn more. So

944
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson, what was the Mark Andrews experience like for

945
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: you last year and are you letting that impact your

946
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: decision making this year.

947
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: It's like going on a roller coaster that you didn't

948
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: realize how big the drop was and you want to

949
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: get off, but you're already halfway up the thing. You're like,

950
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: I want to get off the roller coaster please. It

951
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: was not a fun ride. And I know that I

952
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: was with a lot of people because I recommended Mark Andrews.

953
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: He was my tight end that I wanted all my teams,

954
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: and just watching that Week one game against Kensey Chiefs,

955
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: it's just like in my memory in grand and it

956
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: was not a fun time for me. I'm not trying

957
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: to get emotional about it, but I'm not going back

958
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 3: to Mark Andrews. I can't do it after last year

959
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: and this is the overall vibes around him so far

960
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: this offseason, when you talk about he's been thrown on

961
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: in every single trade room wor you could talk about

962
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: when teams have been asked about Mark Andrews entering a

963
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: contract year whereas Isaiah Likely. I know you mentioned him

964
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: as well. They've talked about extending Isaiah likely. So what's

965
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 3: more likely to happen is it Mark Andrews is gonna

966
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: run back the second half of last year. He's gonna

967
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: score a bunch of touchdowns. Even though Lamar Jackson threw

968
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: forty one touchdown passes last year, something that he's never

969
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 3: done before. Is he gonna throw forty touchdowns again back

970
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: to back seasons?

971
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: Maybe?

972
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: Or more likely that Andrews probably isn't gonna catch a

973
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: many touchdowns he did last year. You have other guys

974
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: in this offense that can also eat Jay Flowers entering

975
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: year three, he could catch more touchdowns. He can catch

976
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: many touchdowns last year, Whereean Bateman if he's healthy. Obviously

977
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: Derek Henry. We know he's going to score double digit touchdowns.

978
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: So if I'm making bets on Isaiah Likely, an ascending

979
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: player that the coaches talk about as this guy could

980
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: be an all pro versus Mark Andrews. Yeah, he caught

981
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: a lot of touchdowns last year. That's how they talk

982
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: about him in the building. So for me, I'm just

983
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I can get better value elsewhere. I'd

984
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: rather have guys like a David and Joku who could

985
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: be the number one on his team in terms of

986
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 3: total targets. Tucker Craft is in up in a sandy,

987
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: explosive playmaker who can make yards after the catch Andrews's

988
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: touchdown or bust, and I feel like I can get

989
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: that later and I'm not going to take that at

990
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: tight end six. So I think that he's overvalued.

991
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: If you score a touchdown in a week, you're a

992
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: tight end one. I think we all know that that's

993
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: pretty much what it is. And Mark Andrews scores touchdowns,

994
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: and I don't want to oversimplify it, but we're talking

995
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: about one of the best, if not the best offensive

996
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: ecosystem there is in the Baltimore Ravens, and I think

997
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: this is a great way to get a piece of

998
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: it at a position that has a lot of questions.

999
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: And they just took another hit today when John new

1000
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: Smith went to the Steelers so let's not forget we

1001
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: just lost. Let's pour some out for our homie Johnny

1002
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: who's not here anymore, and can pour a little bit

1003
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: out here, you know, he's still Here's an easy miamisy

1004
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: eusy easy the ranks. So but Jake, look, it's the NFL.

1005
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: The younger guy's always eventually gonna take your job. But

1006
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: this is a contract years the last year. I think

1007
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: you churn and burn him and you ride to the

1008
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: sunset one more time. With Mark Andrews. If you're Lamar

1009
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: Jackson company, what do you think?

1010
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: I think it's fine, Like I'm not actually no, I

1011
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: was just like, honestly, that's how I feel. It's fine

1012
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: with Mark Andrews because you can poke holes and you

1013
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: can speak positively about him. So I'm kind of like

1014
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: fine either way. Because you can say almost twenty two

1015
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: percent of his targets were in the red zone and

1016
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: it had an end zone target rate that was almost

1017
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: pushing Mike Evans. Now does that carry over and you

1018
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: can say, like, why would in it? Because he's that

1019
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: guy for the team. But then you say, okay, Lamar Jackson,

1020
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna throw forty one touchdowns again, what if it's

1021
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: only thirty five, which doesn't sound like a huge number,

1022
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: but it's a big difference when you're talking about that

1023
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: target share even carrying over and what if that target

1024
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: share comes.

1025
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Down a little bit?

1026
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: But then you could spin it the other way. You

1027
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: can bring out what you said he was a nothing

1028
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: factor to start the year. He was injured, which could

1029
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: possibly play a part of it. So I say all

1030
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: to say, like, why am I answer is he's fine?

1031
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: Is because I think in this range you're kind of

1032
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: getting the fine value for him, because would I rather

1033
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: take him than Evan Ingram and hoping that he's the

1034
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: joker for the Broncos, Probably because I feel like last

1035
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: year might even have been what it sounds like this

1036
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: is crazy to say because the touchdowns were so high,

1037
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: but like worst case on the receiving side on it,

1038
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: like take out the touchdowns, the targets, receptions yards. Is

1039
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: that the worst case of Mark Andrews? Is it possibly

1040
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: gonna get better? It could. If you want to say

1041
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: I'll take him over and Joko, I'd be like, okay, fine,

1042
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, it just comes down to Titans. In this range,

1043
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm just usually not taking anyway, mostly because if I

1044
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: don't get the top three. I'm just throwing a dart

1045
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: in the last round anyway, because I feel like they're

1046
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: so replaceable. So that's why I say, it's fine. This

1047
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 2: is the one where I'm not really on your side

1048
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not really coming for you.

1049
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: I guess that's why he's tight end six. Then right,

1050
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: he's right there in the middle of all of them.

1051
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on here to the next grouping here,

1052
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give you a bonus guy and

1053
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: the pick that I'm going to plant my flag in

1054
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: the hill that I'm gonna die on this year, So

1055
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: tack around for that in the show. Some late round

1056
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: guys that I want to smash here and take every

1057
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: single chance I get outside the top one hundred. Let's

1058
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: start with Stefon Diggs at one old one. To me,

1059
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: he looks pretty good in a lot of the footage

1060
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: i've seen early on, way further ahead than I thought

1061
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: he would be. I do still expect that he's going

1062
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: to be a little slow in September, but I do

1063
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: believe that you're eventually going to get Stefon Diggs kind

1064
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: of with something to prove and a chip on his

1065
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: shoulder and already kind of had to kind of get

1066
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: his ship pointed in the right direction. Not to mix

1067
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: metaphors here for a second there, but I think that's

1068
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: already happened with the coach and the player, and I

1069
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing that happened now and not

1070
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: during the season. So for me, there's a lot of

1071
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: the line here for Stefan Diggs and a lot of

1072
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: money on the line too, And again I always come

1073
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: back to following the money. I think Stefan Diggs could

1074
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: be that number one guy for Drake May and you

1075
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: could see a real breakout season for maybe because of that.

1076
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Jake Seally, share with me your thoughts on Stefon Diggs

1077
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: and this outside one hundred value he's going.

1078
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: At, and now the one that I'm fine with because

1079
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: it comes down to how healthy is he? Are we

1080
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: talking about this is an injury that carries into halfway

1081
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: through the season and he's just miserable for the first

1082
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and you're Here's what I'm gonna say

1083
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: is why I'm fine with it now is because you're

1084
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: drafting him as a non starter, so you don't even

1085
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: have to worry about it. If you are drafted, like

1086
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: if this is positive news, positive note, and then we

1087
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: get to the middle of August and all of a

1088
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: sudden he's going as a wide receiver three or four.

1089
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: I'd be out because I don't want to have to

1090
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: put him in my lineup.

1091
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I want to be able to be a hundred percent

1092
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: with what you're saying. I think that's exactly true. Uh,

1093
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: this is very early value kind of thing. Andrew, do

1094
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: you agree with that sentiment? Is that three for three two?

1095
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: When it comes to Stefan Diggs, this is the value.

1096
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: If it raises to a price where it becomes a

1097
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: little bit more dangerous, then that's the time to be

1098
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: realistic and realize it is a player coming off in ACL.

1099
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: We don't want to rely on him too much, especially

1100
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: early on.

1101
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that he's appropriately valued. Just no, he's

1102
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: an older player coming off at ourn ACL, right. I

1103
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 3: know that he can look good in these off season clips,

1104
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: but until he's actually on the field, you know, with

1105
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: the flying bullets, I'm just concerned and about how how

1106
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: much time it will take him to get back up

1107
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: to speed. And I mean the Stefon Diggs that was

1108
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: a number one wide receiver in fantasy, that guy's not

1109
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: coming back. No, like that guy wasn't in Houston. So

1110
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: I mean this is a third team and third three years.

1111
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: Last year, but wide receiver three, a wide receiver three

1112
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: and fointasy points per game.

1113
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, And he was on pace for a pretty

1114
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: good season too last year statistically speaking, with an awful

1115
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: offensive line around CJ. Stroud. And let's not forget I'm

1116
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: the guy that was telling you two years ago when

1117
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: he was a Buffalo that I was fading Stefan Diggs

1118
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: and people thought I was nuts until that second part

1119
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: of that season rolled around and I say, look, he's

1120
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: an older wide receiver. It's gonna start to catch up.

1121
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: But now now the values changed considerably, and I think

1122
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: it's got a lot to prove. Cam Scattaboo at one

1123
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: twenty two, RB forty two, I just see so much

1124
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: upside here. I think the first time he trucks over

1125
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: some linebacker, MetLife Stadium is going to erupt and go crazy,

1126
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: and it is going to be just vibes. As the

1127
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: kids like to say, it really is. And look the

1128
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: argument of like well cam' scadwill played Arizona, you didn't

1129
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: play it like go watch the tape against x All

1130
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: those guys basically got drafted in the NFL. He played

1131
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: an NFL team and he kicked a crap out of

1132
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: him in that game. Was unbelievable to watch. He can

1133
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: catch the football, he can score touchdowns. He brings an

1134
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: edge of the toughness that the Giants sorely lack. They've

1135
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: had none of that in the last few seasons. So

1136
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: why Jake Sealley left town on the Giants and just

1137
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: turned his back on that organization. Andrew Rickson camp Scataboo

1138
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: undervalued or just I don't know a gimmick to you,

1139
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think it was a little undervalued.

1140
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 3: He would be my bet to take over the backfield.

1141
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: I think that he has the three down skills. I

1142
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: think Tyrone Tracy is a better compliment to what he

1143
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: does as a leadback versus the other way around, with

1144
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: Tracy as the lead back to camp Scataboo. So yeah,

1145
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: he does everything, and you're just concerned about how many touchdowns,

1146
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: how many opportunities are there for the Giants in this

1147
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: offense that we definitely have question marks about. But look,

1148
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 3: if this team is down and I need to generate

1149
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: some plays, you know, just give the ball, scataboo, just

1150
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: keep giving him, feed him the rock. So I'm not

1151
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: going to be pushing back against many of the rookie

1152
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: running backs as.

1153
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Pleas and Tracy. Last year, Jake did struggle with fumble

1154
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: lightness a little bit. That's also not going to win.

1155
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: Dear you to coaching staff, especially one that is on

1156
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: the edge of extinction the way the Giants are.

1157
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: The one that also bench Tracy despite how good he

1158
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: looked for the corpse of Devin Singletary and Evan Gray

1159
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: and all the rest of those jokers back there. So

1160
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: Eric Gray, sorry, Like I'm with you, Like it's going

1161
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: to be scataboo over Tracy. It's not that Tracy can't

1162
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: be a factor, but this perception that comes into the

1163
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: NFL and Fantasy is like, oh, Tracy was undervalue, And

1164
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: mind you, this is coming from somebody that pumped up

1165
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Tracy last year. But the perception was, oh, we got

1166
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: shocked by how good Tracy was, and then everybody's like, oh, good,

1167
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: we've found this running back. We need him in fantasy

1168
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. Well he still has a ceiling,

1169
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: and I think that's what we need to pull back

1170
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 2: perspective wise, he is, like Ericson said, he's a Jalen Warren.

1171
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: He's a better compliment than he is a lead.

1172
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: All Right. Two more guys here in this grouping both

1173
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: also rookies, Trey Harris at one sixty four and wide

1174
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: receiver sixty four and Jaden Higgins wide receiver seventy ECR

1175
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: one one. And I think Higgins is fascinating because the

1176
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: first guy ever to get a fully guaranteed contract as

1177
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: a second round pick. I think that matters. I think

1178
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: the void is there, and I think the need is

1179
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: going to be there for Jayden and Higgins. This season

1180
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: is when you don't have Stefan Diggs there anymore, and

1181
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: you don't have Tank Dell, Higgins is gonna have to

1182
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: step up. And I just don't know what Christian Kirk

1183
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: is at this point in his career. I feel like

1184
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: he's the insurance policy. But Higgins is the guy that

1185
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: they want to emerge, So it might take a little patience,

1186
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: and Trey Harris might also take some patience. But what

1187
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: I saw last year was a lot of moments, a

1188
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: lot of Charger games Jake where Quinn Johnson had opportunities

1189
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: to really break open some games, and he let them

1190
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: literally slip through his fingers. And I just don't think

1191
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: Trey Harris is going to do that again. Both these

1192
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: guys might take a little time in the pressure cooker,

1193
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: but I think at the end we're going to be

1194
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: guys that you want to have on your roster and draft. So, Jake,

1195
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: are they undervalued in your mind? If so, who do

1196
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: you prefer? Higgins? Harris? You're on the clock, who do

1197
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: you take?

1198
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: Well, they are vastly undervalued, and I will take Higgins

1199
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: every single time. But that's no slight to Trey Harris,

1200
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: because Higgins, I think is step in. I compared it

1201
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: to Marvin Jones. But Dan Brugler over at the Athletic

1202
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: my colleague actually said Nico Collins, which, if you're telling

1203
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: me I'm getting two Nico Collins is well, then are

1204
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: we worried about Christian Kirk? Is that the plural Collins

1205
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: Kellen's I I don't know. I don't know it works,

1206
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: but I think both of them are stepping into number

1207
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: two situations. I'm big on Higgins. There's a world of course,

1208
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: if Kirk can stay on the field. Kirk has proven

1209
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: to be good when on the field. So I'm not

1210
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: saying he's definitively Higgins walking into twenty two target percent,

1211
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: but it's possible, and I would take Higgins, but I

1212
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: don't think Harris is that far behind. Because are we

1213
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: gonna stop with this at this point, Quentin Johnston, I

1214
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 2: thought he could potentially have an NFL career. As you said,

1215
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: it's slipping through his fingers, and that's pun intended. I

1216
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: know that Erickson is a key Andre Lambert Smith fan,

1217
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's on Trey Harris's level. I

1218
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: think that's more of the number three wide receiver for

1219
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: this team. Which can we stop with Mike Williams, by

1220
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: the way at this point, like we're really concerned? Please,

1221
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: I know exactly see you.

1222
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: Already keep forgett he's on a team still, he will

1223
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 3: even be there on day one.

1224
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: But I say, and then we were looking at the

1225
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 2: tight end situation, and we're talking about Gatson as a rookie,

1226
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: who I like. But a rookie tight end is very

1227
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: rare to actually hit. And so if everybody's waxing poetically

1228
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 2: about Justin Herbert bouncing back this year, it's not only

1229
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: going to be Lad McConkey. There's going to be somebody else,

1230
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: and it's going to be Tree Harris.

1231
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think both are grossly undervalued. Do you have

1232
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: a preference? They're kind of close in the ecrh Higgins.

1233
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: Actually no, Harris is actually still twenty ahead almost of

1234
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: Higgins almost kind of crazy almost, Yeah, Like that's where

1235
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: I have him too, Jake, what are your uh, what's

1236
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: your opinion? Andrew? When you look at these two guys,

1237
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: you have a preference here? Would you rather wait for

1238
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: Jaydanon Higgins or do you want to take Harris in

1239
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: his scenario?

1240
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 3: I prefer Jadan Higgins. I'm just concerned about the Chargers

1241
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: offense as a whole at points with Greg Roman, and

1242
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: do you really ever need to have the number two

1243
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: receiver in a Greg Roman offense? Like that's something that's

1244
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: just kind of like holding you back from being all

1245
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: Like I don't know exactly, I'd have to look historically

1246
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: to see what that guy has been, but I have

1247
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: to image it's probably not great having a number two

1248
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: guy in Greg Ruman's offense. So I think that Trey

1249
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: Harris definitely fits with Justin Herbert again as a downfield weapon.

1250
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: I think Johnston just he might be annoying where he's

1251
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: still running routes, not necessarily high commanding a high target shair,

1252
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: but annoying enough where maybel like weak guy.

1253
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: He's running a lot of straight lines at.

1254
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: A lot of straight lines. So I prefer Higgins. I just,

1255
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel really confident about this Texans offense,

1256
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: bounce bouncing back, And I actually wanted to ask you

1257
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: guys a question when it comes to because it seemed

1258
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: like neither you're really confident in Christian Kirk. So just

1259
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: shouldn't Jalen Nole get some love now too? Because if

1260
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 3: if Higgins is now maybe competing with Nico Collins and

1261
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: Jalen Nole, but Higgins is the redundant asset to Nico Collins,

1262
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't that mean Noel would be in a pretty opportunistic

1263
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: role as the slot vertical receiver in this offense. If

1264
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk is like totally dust, I can think he's

1265
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: really undervalue to the receivers are undervalued.

1266
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: I think the I think the answer that is maybe,

1267
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: I think if I feel better about the offensive line,

1268
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: I feel better about more Rode receivers and a lot

1269
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: of people being able to feast. But I just think that,

1270
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: like I don't want to bite up more than I

1271
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: could chew with the Texans, Jake. That's my point of view,

1272
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: what's yours?

1273
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: I could also see that. I mean, the big thing

1274
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: is CG s Drout getting back the four thousand plus

1275
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: yards and hopefully pushing thirty plus touchdowns for us in fantasy.

1276
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: But even if that's the case, like I think, to

1277
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: your point, Ericson is more of if I didn't think

1278
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: as much as I do of Higgins, like if you're

1279
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: talking about a Quinton Johnson actually who could catch, and

1280
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Okay, he's talented enough to be a

1281
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: wide receiver three on a lot of teams, so that

1282
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be the teams too.

1283
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: I'd be like, there's a threat that the slot option

1284
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: ends up being as if not more valuable. But I

1285
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: would still say as much as I also like Noel,

1286
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: I think Noell is clearly a threat to Kirk, but

1287
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: I don't think Noel and Higgins are close as that

1288
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: like I think Kirk and Noel are close, I'd still

1289
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: put a gap between Higgins and Noel, and I might

1290
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: be wrong about that all in the end to say

1291
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 2: your question is still valid. Of like, take a flyer

1292
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: at Noel at the end of the draft, Kirk gets hurt, yeah,

1293
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: and Higgins a bus. I mean, wouldn't be a shock

1294
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: that he's a bus as a rookie like these things happen. Uh,

1295
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: Noel could certainly be in play in the tank Dell role.

1296
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: One more guy. I'm gonna give you post two hundred,

1297
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: So if you're in deeper leagues, I'm just gonna have

1298
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: this guy because I feel like we're just gonna end

1299
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: up spending fab on him in September anyway. So I

1300
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: just want to draft Kamanan guy RB sixty eight, ECR

1301
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: two thirty five Rutgers product reminds me a bit of

1302
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. Guy who's gonna fight for you. And I

1303
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, you know, once again, Ben Jonson's the

1304
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: new guy there. This is the guy that he specifically wanted.

1305
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: And I know Roshawn's there theoretically is the number two

1306
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: in the depth chart, but I just think that Manong

1307
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: guy becomes the David Montgomery basically in this offense sooner

1308
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: than later, and that means he's gonna be the guy

1309
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: that gets the touchdowns. And what do we always say

1310
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: every single year about DeAndre swift Man? Oh Man, he

1311
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really have as many touchdowns because guys typically don't

1312
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: trust him in the goal line and other scenarios, and

1313
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: you no matter where he goes, somehow somebody else ends

1314
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: up kind of eating around him a little bit. And

1315
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: guess what, I know a lot of people might think

1316
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: it's Roshan, I don't. I think it's kaman on guy.

1317
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: So that's your late round sleeper that I gotta have

1318
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: on all my teams. And finally, last, but certainly not least,

1319
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: the hill that I'm gonna die on. And I know

1320
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna die on it again, and I'm comfortable

1321
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: with it because I was ready to die on this

1322
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: hill last year, and I feel like I was right,

1323
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: but Mike Tomlin was just wrong. And now Mike Tomlin

1324
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: has to deal with a year of Aaron Rodgers because

1325
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: he couldn't just be patient and let justin fields play.

1326
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: You couldn't do it, could you. You had to just

1327
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: push the kid and replace him with an old fart

1328
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: instead of trying to see if you had maybe a

1329
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback at twenty six years old, that you could

1330
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: play no, no, let's go play with Russell Wilson. So

1331
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: we can get also from the playoffs in the first round. Again,

1332
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: I was a big supporter from last year. Jake knows this.

1333
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: In those super flex leagues, I was already ahead of

1334
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: the curve there. I was taking Justin Fields and people

1335
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: didn't think he was gonna even start. Guess what he did,

1336
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: and it was pretty good. In fact, I think things

1337
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: could be even better here with the Lions former passing

1338
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: game coach here tender Egg and taking over as the

1339
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: offensive COORDINATY. I think that's really good. I think the

1340
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: continuity there and the communication is going to be really

1341
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: good with the head coach having worked together in that

1342
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: building for quite some time. And I think we also

1343
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: have to remember that Justin Fields was QB six last

1344
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: year in fantasy points QUB six for the first six

1345
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, and that was just kind of

1346
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: learning a new offense. I was gonna have to learn

1347
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: new offense again. But I think he has set up

1348
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: for success there with the Jets, and I'm ready to

1349
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: die on this hill. I'm ready to have him be

1350
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: my QB one in a single quarterback league. If I'm

1351
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: waiting on quarterback and in super flex, I'm willing to

1352
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: be aggressive and even you know, take a Chase or

1353
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: a Jefferson or a Bijon in the first round and

1354
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: see if I can come away with Justin Fields in

1355
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: the second round, because I think I'm still gonna possibly

1356
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: get a top ten quarterback. So, Jake Seally, is this

1357
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: a hill I should be dying on two years in

1358
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: a row, and can I resurrect myself here in twenty

1359
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: twenty five?

1360
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I also want to chime in, I'm a no,

1361
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: no not. I love that running back mostly you can

1362
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: do both real quick. Yeah, Like I think he's Zach Moss,

1363
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: which I don't think DeAndre Swift is going to be

1364
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: a massive, massive touch option for this team. So I

1365
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: think that that's a great option to take me not

1366
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 2: a guy that late. I'm with you on that one.

1367
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh.

1368
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: So, by the way, Eric the Enemy has a little

1369
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: tied to the record situation with Isaiah Pacheco, who by

1370
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: the way, is the offensive coordinator. Just throw that out

1371
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: there and keep an eye on.

1372
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: Doesn't miss with seven with seventh rounders.

1373
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just loves it.

1374
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: Doesn't.

1375
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: So I like the Monona guy one that already he

1376
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: had all the map e been matth the charge like

1377
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: the whole thing, Charlie Day is that that one is

1378
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: and then you know this and that's why you set

1379
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: it up. I could not be more with you on

1380
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: Justin Fields actually have him at QB seven. I'll draft

1381
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: him as QB seven mostly because you brought up the

1382
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: QB six And if you go back to that season

1383
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two when he threw twenty two hundred

1384
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: yards and seventeen touchdowns, whip the flipping do oh, by

1385
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: the way, QB six and fancy points per game and

1386
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: that year and his points per game would have been

1387
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: QB six and fantasy points per game last year because

1388
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: he's going to run. If he starts fifteen games, he's

1389
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: going to run for a thousand yards and six seven

1390
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: eight touchdowns. It's just going to happen. Oh, by the way,

1391
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: the only two games that he scored over twenty fantasy

1392
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: points last year that you're referencing, Joe and I know

1393
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: you know this, you know how many combined touchdowns he

1394
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: threw for on those two games. One because we don't

1395
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: need him to throw to be good.

1396
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't need it to be pretty ericson. I

1397
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: just needed to be productive, That's all I'm saying.

1398
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: I just love that last line from Jake. We don't

1399
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: need him to throw it to be good.

1400
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: It's the best, just use his legs. Yeah.

1401
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: I also haven't met QB seven, so yes, I'm there

1402
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: with you, Joe. I do have a question, though, Joe,

1403
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: for you as we close out here, would you so

1404
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: in Afteh, in a fifteen round draft, you draft Justin

1405
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: Gilz to QB one. Are you ridding? You're dying like

1406
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: he's your only quarterback your draft? Would you draft another quarterback?

1407
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: Just in case it's a good question, It's not just

1408
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: in case it's a I would draft on the quarterback

1409
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: because of the style of play. Because we do have

1410
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback that runs as much as fields do. You're

1411
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: opening yourself up to more injuries. I'd rather have a

1412
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: Herbert or a golf or somebody like that that I feel,

1413
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, like, okay, God forbid things go wrong here,

1414
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: he pulls a amsterring, he gets lit up, you know,

1415
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: trying to you know, run mill of field. I think

1416
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: because the style will play, I want to back them up.

1417
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: But that is a good question, I think, and I

1418
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: think one everybody has to ask themselves here. If you

1419
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: do take fields, are you going to take somebody else?

1420
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: I think you do because you have to understand there's

1421
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: risk involved. And it's also New York and it's a

1422
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: different environment too. I think it's an environment he's going

1423
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: to succeed in. But what do you think? What is

1424
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: the hill you're dying on? Drop your comments below? Who

1425
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: is that player for you? I want to know the

1426
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: player that you are absolutely planning your flag on in

1427
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five fantasy Drop those comments in their subscribe

1428
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: to the channel like the stream, and go try to

1429
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: draft some of these guys right now with the draft simulator.

1430
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: It's free, it's fun. Sink your leagues at Fantasypros dot

1431
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: com and go to Fantasypros dot com slash mock or

1432
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: just download Draft Wizard today and start your mock draft

1433
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: preparation for twenty twenty five. It's never too early to begin.

1434
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: That'll do it for us. But the story of the

1435
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: game goes on for Jake Seally and Andrew Ericson. I'm

1436
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids.

1437
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy football podcast.

1438
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: If you love the show, the best free way to

1439
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: support us is by leaving a positive review on Apple

1440
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: Podcasts at Fantasypros dot com slash review or on Spotify.

1441
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Follow us on x, Instagram and TikTok at Fantasy Pros,

1442
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com

1443
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: slash Fantasy Pros.