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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's go, Let's go,

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Speaker 1: Let's go Giants.

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Speaker 2: Dont come get up on the Giants mobul, give me

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John schmelk Our guest. Today we're joined by

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Speaker 1: Andrew Catalan. He's calling the game on Sunday afternoon, Giants

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Speaker 1: and Seahawks on CBS at four twenty five. Rare Andrew.

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Speaker 1: We get a two NFC teams showing up on a

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Speaker 1: CBS podcast.

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Speaker 3: John, Great to see you and be with you. And

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Speaker 3: I know it is. We're getting a little more used

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: Last year I had Giants commanders on CBS so and

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Speaker 2: now this week, you know, another NFC matchup. As an

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Speaker 2: NFC guy growing up, I like it. We don't get

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Speaker 2: it too often, but I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: For now Its fans. I might not know. Andrew and

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Speaker 1: I go back because we used to hang out up

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Speaker 1: in Albany when the Giants had training. Hang him up

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Speaker 1: there in Albany. You know, up until two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twelve was the last year there. I think they went

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Speaker 1: more year. I think. So that's how Andrew, you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Grew up in New Jersey so familiar with the Giants

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Speaker 2: Covering training camp was to me one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: highlights of that job. And seeing you and seeing the

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Speaker 2: Giants every day in the hot summers in Albany, it

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Speaker 2: was definitely a great memory for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we miss it, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: it isn't quite the same being in the same spot.

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Speaker 1: Albany was fun. You got the campus, you know, we'd

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Speaker 1: all bring our bicycles. We would bike from the dorms

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Speaker 1: the campus every day. You would walk around, everyone be around.

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Speaker 1: It was a really nice atmosphere.

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Speaker 3: I loved it too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously for me it was great to have

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Speaker 2: just do think there is something to get away from

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Speaker 2: do that as much anymore, or they don't do it

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Speaker 2: for as long, But those were great days and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. All right, I'm sure you already start

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Speaker 1: talking to your producer and everything on Sunday. What are

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Speaker 1: some of the major storylines and topics you guys are

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on for Giants and Seahawks on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think for the Giants it's you know, is Milik

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Speaker 3: That's a huge part of the game.

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Speaker 2: And I think can they you know, find the end

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of talk about their first three games,

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Speaker 2: didn't exactly play the seventy two Dolphins. How would they

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Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be a tough matchup for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get to the Seahawks on a little bit

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Speaker 1: They're only averaging fifteen points a game, which is about

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Speaker 2: I said this on the airdor in our Houston Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: our production meeting so far this season, a team has said,

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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily groundbreaking, but I just find it so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Every single team has said that. And John, as you know,

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Speaker 2: there's such a priority now to when you have those

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Speaker 2: It's almost like in today's NFL you need to hit them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really do it. Teams aren't designed anymore and

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Speaker 2: I mean Houston last week for US was a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're playing their safeties back. They're not going

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Speaker 2: They're going to give it the underneath rout and they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to hit them, or at least hit

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Speaker 1: he said, all right, we're going to run the ball

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Speaker 1: going to go home. But offenses aren't designed that way.

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Speaker 1: Players from college don't come out that way to play

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. And it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You see trends that change and develop over time, and

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Speaker 3: The one that we're in right now where we're not

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Speaker 2: But we're also not necessarily built to run the ball

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Speaker 3: So now what do we do?

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Speaker 2: And we see a lot of the bubble screens, we

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Speaker 3: We see underneath routs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of what it's evolved into right now,

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Speaker 2: which is which is interesting. And you know, the numbers

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Speaker 2: so far this year have been really fascinating to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so with the offense, I think the one

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Speaker 1: We'll see if he's gonna play. But the pass protection

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Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones have been so much better. Andrew and

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Speaker 1: you were four sacks in the last three games last

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Speaker 1: give them the ability to protect Jones to operate a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the you know, on pay for

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Speaker 2: the best offensive line the Giants have had quite a

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Speaker 2: few years. They're playing that way, certainly in the pass

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Speaker 2: run blocking and they've admitted that. And look, John, you

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Speaker 2: be loud and the most false starts, you know since

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Speaker 2: communicate and you have to be on it and q's

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a good sign for the Giants

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Speaker 2: going into that game because they have an experienced line

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Speaker 2: that seems to be playing as a cohesive unit and

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Speaker 2: that's going to have to continue against Seattle.

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Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. New you moves to the country.

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Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 1: Have you called the game in that building before andrew

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Speaker 1: an NFL game?

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Speaker 3: A it's loud. I mean it's loud.

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Speaker 2: I would say it's probably the loudest. I mean, Buffalo

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Speaker 3: But but Seattle is no doubt, it's not fake. It's

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Speaker 3: it's a real thing. You got to deal with.

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Speaker 1: No, it's bad Minnesota a couple of years ago, in

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Speaker 1: that playoff game in twenty two that got in that

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Speaker 1: bank dot com. Slash Giants And you know you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like they learning how to use Jason

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Speaker 2: to win this game, Burns, Thibodau, Lawrence have to be

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Speaker 2: a big part of the win.

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Speaker 3: I think they have to have that pressure up on

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Speaker 3: Geno Smith. I think they have to win their one

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Speaker 3: on ones against that offensive line.

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Speaker 2: I think that if you tell me on Monday that

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Speaker 2: the Giants won the game, I think you're going to

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Speaker 2: say that their defensive front got after the quarterback, had

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Speaker 2: some sacks and applied some pressure and that's going to

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Speaker 2: be how they're going to win this one.

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Speaker 1: What other matchups are keys you keeping an eye on

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Speaker 1: for the Giants to pull off this upset.

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Speaker 2: You know, John, I'd like to see them have their

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Speaker 2: tight ends be a part of the game plan here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that they're missing that element of it.

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Speaker 2: We know that they only have five catches as a group,

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Speaker 2: I believe, which is crazy. I know Man Hurts is

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Speaker 2: not a pass catching tight end. He's been a blocker

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Speaker 2: his whole career. But it would be nice to see

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Speaker 2: Bellinger and Johnson become a bigger part. I think that's

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Speaker 2: just that little outlet, that little you know, break that

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Speaker 2: that Jones can maybe give neighbors or Wandelle just to

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Speaker 2: get the tight ends involved. I think that could really

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Speaker 2: help this Giants offense.

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Speaker 3: And you just want to go.

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Speaker 1: Around the lead with you for a second, because you've

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Speaker 1: done a bunch of games, You talked to coaches, you

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Speaker 1: did the Jacksonville game last week. Correct, Correct, what's going

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Speaker 1: on with the Jaguars A lot?

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Speaker 3: And I would say a lot's going on with the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: It's not good right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, they actually played pretty well down in Houston,

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Speaker 2: but just again came up short. They were winning that

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Speaker 2: Week one game in Miami and Travis etn was.

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Speaker 3: Going in and they tumbled out of the end zone.

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Speaker 3: And nothing has been the same since.

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Speaker 2: I think Trevor Lawrence, admittedly and Peterson has backed it up,

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Speaker 2: has been pressing forcing the issue. Got the big contract

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Speaker 2: in the offseason, trying to you know, trying to do

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Speaker 2: something with it, and it's backfired. And you know, in

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Speaker 2: that division, maybe have a little more time to maybe

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Speaker 2: try to dig out of it. But they are a

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Speaker 2: desperate football team right now, and they're really searching in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start

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Speaker 4: that life brings?

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Speaker 1: What other things that you've seen or watched over the

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Speaker 1: first few weeks have kind of struck you as either

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Speaker 1: surprises or things that have really just kind of struck

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Speaker 1: a core with you that man should start paying attention

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Speaker 1: to throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen some interesting games our group. You know,

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Speaker 2: we had the Raiders beat the Ravens in Week two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of people would not

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Speaker 2: have expected that to happen. I still think Baltimore is

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Speaker 2: a really good team. We saw that on Sunday night

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Speaker 2: against Buffalo. So I just think that sometimes it's hard

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Speaker 2: to go into a game and say, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think most people would have used the Raiders as their

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Speaker 2: survivor pick Week two in Baltimore and Baltimore loss.

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Speaker 1: I think they did.

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Speaker 2: They Yeah, and I actually mentioned that on the air

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Speaker 2: at the end of the game. So I just think that, yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe on paper you're a touchdown underdog.

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Speaker 3: But that does not mean anything.

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Speaker 2: In today's NFL, there's so much parody.

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Speaker 3: These teams are so close, you just don't know what's.

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Speaker 1: Going to happen. I think, especially early in the year,

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Speaker 1: right with only a few preseason games, you're not practicing

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Speaker 1: as much. I feel like you don't quite know what

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Speaker 1: any of these teams are until you get into almost

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Speaker 1: mid October.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I think that you see rust because teams

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Speaker 2: don't play a lot of players in the preseason. I

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Speaker 2: think you see some sloppy football. I mean some of

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Speaker 2: the penalties the Giants Cowboys game. I mean, so flag

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Speaker 2: after flag, I think some of that stuff starts to

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Speaker 2: get clean up, cleaned up come October and into November.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the Chiefs are gonna do? Are

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Speaker 1: they gonna have to go find a receiver?

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Speaker 2: You know, it seems that way, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that's a testament to how good they are and how

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Speaker 2: they can just kind of rotate piece in after peace out.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, I think at

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Speaker 2: some point it could catch up to them. And I

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Speaker 2: think there are receivers on the market, so I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they're going to be looking, but I think they do

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Speaker 2: need one more piece to try to help them get

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Speaker 2: over the top and just make sure that they have

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Speaker 2: enough gas at the end of the season to go

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Speaker 2: into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately for them, the one team that has a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver available is in their division. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Raiders are going to help the Chiefs out

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Speaker 1: with Devada Adams. I don't think they're doing that. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he ends up leaving or you think the

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Speaker 1: whole sava You know, he has a big salary. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough thing to move. These trades are tough to

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Speaker 1: do mid season with the Cap. Do you think Adams

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Speaker 1: ends up staying Do you think he winds up playing

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Speaker 1: for another team this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think if you read the tea,

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Speaker 2: leaves doesn't look good right now for him to stay

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. As I said, we met with him

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Speaker 2: week two, really nice guys, said all the right things.

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Speaker 2: Seemed like he was happy. But these things changed quickly.

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Speaker 2: So you know, his old quarterback is in New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: They were college teammates him and Derek Carr. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that any any team would want him. I

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Speaker 2: still think he's a very good player in this league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I Finally, any team that you're

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on that you've seen, maybe that you

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Speaker 1: think fans might be sleeping on, that could turn things

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Speaker 1: on and really be a factor heading late into this

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Speaker 1: year into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if Houston's really a sleeper,

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Speaker 2: but they're a very confident group. You know, they got

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Speaker 2: killed in Week three in Minnesota, but they they've got

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Speaker 2: a little moxy to him, and they haven't had Joe

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Speaker 2: Mixon these last few games, and I think they've really

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Speaker 2: missed that part of their run game and really what

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Speaker 2: that does for their offense because then, as we talked

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Speaker 2: about earlier, you get the play action involved, then you

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Speaker 2: can take some deep shots with their weapons. So I

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Speaker 2: think once they get a Joe Mixon back, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be a really dangerous team in the AFC. They have

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Speaker 2: a very good defense to Nico Ryans the energized and

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Speaker 2: I you know, I don't think a lot of people are,

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Speaker 2: but you know, just because they lost so bad in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleep on in Texas.

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Speaker 1: All Right. Finally, inside broadcasting question, I know nobody probably

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Speaker 1: cares about this answer except for me. You've been working

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Speaker 1: a three man booth this year, right, You've had Tiki

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Speaker 1: with you and you have you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: mccordy brothers with you, right, And what has it been

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Speaker 1: like trying to work with those guys, two guys that

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Speaker 1: have done broadcasting for a while but haven't maybe done

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Speaker 1: games together before, trying to kind of get that chemistry right?

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Speaker 1: Did you guys work games in the offseason together? They

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Speaker 1: kind of do some practice. However, you guys tried to

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Speaker 1: kind of bring that together because it's tough sometimes to

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Speaker 1: just find time for two analysts to say what they

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Speaker 1: need to say during these games. Yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Challenge, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: I mean last year we had myself, Tiki and Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 2: and I felt like towards the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: you know, you really you figure each other out, you

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Speaker 2: get in a good little rhythm. But then Matt, to

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Speaker 2: his credit, goes to the studio this year and so

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Speaker 2: it's me, Ticky and Jason mccordy. And he's someone who

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Speaker 2: you know, I didn't really know that well until the spring.

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Speaker 2: I met him for the first time. Early in the spring,

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Speaker 2: we did a practice game. They put our booth together.

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Speaker 2: We called a preseason game together on CBS. And what's

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Speaker 2: really interesting is I can feel just each and every

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Speaker 2: week we make, you know, a little steps forward, and

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the year will probably

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Speaker 2: be where we were last year with Matt and Tiki.

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Speaker 2: But it's a challenge more so for the two of them.

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Speaker 2: You know, who gets in on the replay, who's going

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Speaker 2: to take this point, who's going.

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Speaker 3: To talk about that?

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to call the play John, But then

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Speaker 2: who's going to get in after that? So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of hand signals, there's a lot of tapping on

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Speaker 2: the shoulder. You know, there's a lot of communication, and

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Speaker 2: you know it takes time, but over time, I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited to be with these two guys and happy the

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Speaker 2: Tiki gets to call another Giants game. We were talking

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Speaker 2: earlier about the training camp days and all, but I

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Speaker 2: remember waiting for Tiki to come out of the caffeteria

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Speaker 2: so I could interview him. And now to be with

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Speaker 2: him every week is a neat thing and I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to be his partner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the best thing about that booth is you

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Speaker 1: by far have the best hair of anyone in that

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Speaker 1: broad cast booth. Andrew, I mean it's.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, John, is that I forgot my

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Speaker 2: hairjel last week in Houston, and I couldn't call either

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Speaker 2: one of them to help me out. So it was

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Speaker 2: it was very frustrating. I had to go to CBS

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Speaker 2: and get some hair gel.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of those guys could offered you a razor,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure you wanted to go there.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't want to do that just yet.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. Ed your good stuff. Giant

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Speaker 1: fans will a chance to enjoy that broadcasting. You got Andrew,

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Speaker 1: Ticky and Jason. They will be on the call for

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Speaker 1: Giants and Seahawks four twenty five on CBS. And you

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Speaker 1: thanks so much of the time, man, and we look

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing you out there in Seattle anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thanks John.

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Speaker 1: That's the Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens

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