1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Steffan 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. And welcome to another 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: edition of Monday Many. This is the one I kind 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of hinted at during your last Monday Many about home ownership. Samantha, 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I will say this is a bigger conversation we should 6 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: come back to because I was specifically doing me search, 7 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: as we call it. I was kind of looking for 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: gender differences in landlords and in tenants, and so that's 9 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: what we're largely going to be talking about. But there 10 00:00:54,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: is definitely racial discrimination. There's discrimination against queer people, like 11 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: it's big. It's a big issue, housing discrimination in general, 12 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: big issue. So this is a very kind of targeted 13 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: to me being angry by my landlord. Research fair enough, 14 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: and if you've listened to this show, I have discussed 15 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: my issues with my landlord about how I believe he 16 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: doesn't communicate, he doesn't listen to me. Necessarily. That being said, 17 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: he's like not the worst landlord I've had, which I 18 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: guess is not necessarily a good thing. Right, I've only had. 19 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: I thought we could go over this. I've actually only 20 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: lived in I've lived overseas during internships. That was usually 21 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: in a hotel or some kind of host situation with 22 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: the host family. I've lived in dorms. In college. I 23 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: lived briefly with a very nice guy, but it was 24 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: a weird situation where I was essentially living in like 25 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: his guest room. But I've never been like the person 26 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: except in college. But in college you have like a 27 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: very easy form. You're just like, right here, please come 28 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: fix this. I've never been the person that had to 29 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: like know what the landlord does with all of my 30 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: issues with my landlord. I'm out of my refrigerator era. 31 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: Now I'm in my toilet era trying to get things fixed. 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I looked up like the Georgia Handbook of what can 33 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: you ask for as a tenant. I'm still kind of confused, Samantha, 34 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: what's been your general experience. 35 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: Well, you have more rights than you think, and as 36 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: long as you're not the cause of the problem, you 37 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: can request things being fixed if it comes down to 38 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: like issues where which By the way, that refrigerator thing, 39 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: what I told you, I was like, yeah, that's you 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: shouldn't have to pay for anything. I am very confused 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: about the situation. I still hold to that pretty sure. 42 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: He took advantage of you with that nonsense, knowing that 43 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: you wouldn't fight him because it has nothing to do 44 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: with any of the situation because again you're not taking 45 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: half of it with you and you're not getting paid 46 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: for that. So that's absurd in itself, because also buying 47 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: a new appliance versus like especially if you're not being 48 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: completely negligent like it's it's just absurd. So all those things, 49 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: there should be a timely manner when they get things done. 50 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: I think it results in the fact that in the Georgia, 51 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: he can also evict you as long as he has 52 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: like a reasonable time frame, not a vict you, but 53 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: ask you to leave and give you any time time frame, 54 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: especially if you're not on a full term lease or 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: refuse to do that. So like those are the powers 56 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: that they have. But him being this like absurd. It's 57 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: just pretty much that they take advantage of your patience 58 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: and unwillingness to be confrontational. 59 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is absolutely true. But it's also 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: true that I for those reasons, I do not seek 61 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: him out rights owned Yeah, which this research I was like, ah, 62 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I see, yes, And I know we talked about your 63 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: issues with your landlord. It's such an odd relationship. It's 64 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: a very strange thing. I'm thinking, I don't know about you. 65 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: My accept Except for my very first two apartments, I 66 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: want to say most of them have been uh privately 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: owned landlords. 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: And most of them are not. I don't think I've 69 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: had any I've seen horror stories. I've never had a 70 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: bad one, and even the last one I say was 71 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: just greedy. To me. I did not have the ordeal 72 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: that a lot of people do because I like not 73 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: to because it's not a bragging point. But I'm an 74 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: easy tenant because I'm similar to you, and like, unless 75 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: it's absolutely damaged, I probably won't be contacting you. Like 76 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: I think. I called him because my stove started to 77 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: click and sparks, and I was like, you know what 78 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: I think I need. I think I need new stove 79 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: and he was like, yo, yeah you do. Why didn't 80 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: you tell me? I was like, well, it's just clicking. 81 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know what clicking meant. And then it sparked, 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh, there that is. And 83 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: then there's the time I looked at the ceiling. I 84 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: was like, that is water and that is spreading. Where's 85 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: that coming from and having to tell him to do 86 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: that my refrigerator clicking at me and hissing at me. 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: I was like, that's not a good sounded me just 88 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: like taking a video and sending it to him, be 89 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: like is this the problem? Like that, that's how I 90 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: want to do it. Because also I was afraid that 91 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: they would think that I was just making things up 92 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: if I did not have proof. So I was able 93 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: to have proof of like he came over and turned 94 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: it on and it clicked. The stove did and he realized, oh, 95 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: and it sparked and smoked, and he was like, okay, yeah, 96 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: that's a problem. Same thing. I actually had that with 97 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: a ceiling where there was just a hole in no 98 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: light or a fan, but or a fan and light 99 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: are supposed to be it also started smoking. I was like, yeah, no, 100 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's going on. But those are the 101 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: times that I would contact the landlord and or like 102 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: I finally had enough when he promised me something like dishwasher, 103 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: and I waited two years to finally get one, hounding 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: him enough like am I getting one? Now? What about? Now? 105 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: What about now? 106 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, so for that note, all of them treated 107 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: me fine. I did not have any issues in that 108 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: like the battle and then I always got my deposit back, 109 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: although I very was concerned. I was very concerned because 110 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 2: I was like, they're going to try to take my money. 111 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: None of them did. None of them does. In my 112 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: head though all landlords are bastards. And I say this, 113 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: and like the horror story lies, and you know, there's 114 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: and there's some things to be said about like, yes, 115 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: owning things is not a bad thing giving, but like 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: taking advantage of people, this is what's the problem. And 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: we know unfortunately, even if you're not taking, you are, 118 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: like that's what was happening towards the end of my rent, 119 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: was like there's no need. There was no change here 120 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: except for yes, your text did go up a little bit, 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: but you're also not paying and not that you don't 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: deserve to make a profit, but I know you don't 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: need to make a forty percent profit, Like that's absurd 124 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: per home, Like it just seemed unreasonable, especially for the 125 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: fact that we had no upgrades. Right. 126 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's interesting that you bring up the point 127 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: that it sounds similar to me about how a lot 128 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: of women, including myself, including you, I believe approach like 129 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: going to the doctor, where it's like I have to 130 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: have absolutely right proof this is wrong. It's right, something 131 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: is really bad, because otherwise I think you won't believe me, 132 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: or you'll be like okay. 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: Which has been true. They don't exactly exactly. 134 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: We'll get into that more in a second Man My 135 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: toilet Drama. Oh my god. Well, I do think we 136 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: should come back and do a whole episode on this, 137 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: but I did briefly want to talk about like the 138 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: origin of the Landlord. There's a lot of different stories 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: about it. One of the main ones is that it 140 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: goes back to the fourteen hundreds and it basically meant 141 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: what it sounds like. There's like somebody who owned a 142 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of land. He owned it was usually he, of course, 143 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: of course almost always he, that he would rent it 144 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: out to tenants and then could really control aspects of 145 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: the tenants' lives because of that, and there were some 146 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: good experiences and really really bad experiences. Over time, it 147 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: evolved to sort of mean like innkeeper, even though they 148 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily own an inn. But and then there's a 149 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of like rent acts and laws that came out 150 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: of that. So it's got a long history but essentially 151 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: it's like from this meaning of somebody who owned enough 152 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: that they're like, I'll let you stay here. But in 153 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: the original it was meant to you work here though, 154 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: like you also work here. 155 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: So is it based out of the British colonies type 156 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: of thing. 157 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: That's what I thought, and that's what a lot of 158 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: sources say, but I found I think there's a lot 159 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: of different instances of a very similar thing. But that 160 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: is a big one is kind of this like we 161 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: own enough land, you will work on it, but you 162 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: can stay on the land. 163 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: Because I know in UK, I guess the royals own 164 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: all of the land. People just own the house, right. 165 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that wouldn't surprise me. I ran 166 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: into a lot of stuff like that when I was 167 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: in Australia, where I was like, wait, what yeah, so 168 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: listeners let us, but yeah, we should come back and 169 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: through a bigger deep dive into this anyway, That's essentially 170 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: where it stemshrim is that you don't own this land, 171 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: but somebody is letting you stay on it. 172 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: Right. 173 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: But the original question I asked was I wanted to 174 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: know more about the gender differences of landlords. And there's 175 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: a pretty good breakdown of it from Zipia. There's actually 176 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: they have a breakdown on all kinds of things about landlords. 177 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: So according to them, forty four point three percent of 178 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: landlords are women in fifty five point seven percent are men. 179 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: This is pretty more. This is closer to even than 180 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: it was even within the past decade, like at one 181 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: point women were only thirty percent, so that's been a shift. 182 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: Women earned ninety one cents for every one dollar earned 183 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: by men, which given other gender gaps wage gaps, that's 184 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: not so bad. The income for men is forty seven 185 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: seventy six dollars and for women it's forty and forty 186 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: three dollars. Notably sixty four point five percent white. But 187 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: I didn't find as much as I thought I would 188 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: about that. What I did find, as I mentioned in 189 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: your Monday Mini, is landlords being choosy about their tenants 190 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: based on things like gender. So here are some quotes 191 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: from this survey, which again they knew this was happening, 192 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: they knew it would be published. These are some things 193 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: they said. One landlord told the survey that he prefers 194 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: mail renters men make better tenants. They say they can 195 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: usually change light bulbs they know how the central heating works, 196 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: and they're more likely to carry out minor repairs than women. 197 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: They went on to explain their preference further, men are 198 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: more easy going, they take care of the small things. Generally, 199 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: they just want a roof over their heads. However, another landlord, 200 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: and this is continued quote, would rather have a female tenant, 201 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: they said. On average, females are tidier, which means less maintenance. 202 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Females also seem to like their outside space being picturesque 203 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: and generally do more in the gardens, such as cutting 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: the lawn and keeping it tidy. Females are also more 205 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in control of finances than males. I find I get 206 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: on time payments from female tenants, and they are also 207 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: more likely to stay put. 208 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: That's a true story. 209 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Davis, who is a landlord himself, explained his preference. 210 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Both genders have their pros and cons, but ideally I 211 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: prefer couples as tenants. You often find one is good 212 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: at keeping things clean and tidy, and the other is 213 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: good at sorting out the little things. Also, couples tend 214 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: to be the best long term tenants, particularly if they 215 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: have a child. I just tend to avoid sharers in 216 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: favor of couples. Interesting hmm. 217 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so is that a heteronormative couple like us, like 218 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: hes couple? 219 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Yes, because because the quote, yeah, well I did include it, 220 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: but the quote goes further on where they're definitely saying 221 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: like they're going back to the original. They're saying like 222 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: the man can do the screw in the light bulb 223 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: and the woman will clean. 224 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: Wow. 225 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: You know what. I did have trouble screwing in my 226 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,119 Speaker 1: light bulb, but it's only because I can't reach. It's 227 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: trying to buy a ladder, but I bought the ladder. 228 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: I have yet to meet one. And I've got many women, friends, 229 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: lay friends, awesome friends that did not change their own 230 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: light bulb. That is the most absurd statement I've heard 231 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: in a while, unless it's like, hey, I'm gonna get 232 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: killed because this your electrical wiring is so bad? Yes, 233 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: aka smoking. Yes. 234 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, like, as you said in your 235 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: episode about home ownership, unless I'm specifically trying to make 236 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: a point, I don't want to deal with you, man, right, 237 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm really happy I can fix this. I don't want 238 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: to deal with it. Thank you. Leave wow, Yes, leave 239 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: me be and to that point, I've also told this 240 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: story before where one time my landlord just tried to 241 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: come in. It was Sunday at eleven, it was Halloween weekends. 242 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: I had a friend. We were in our pajamas and 243 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: he just tried open the door and I had the 244 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: chain on it and he couldn't get in. But he 245 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: didn't announce he was coming. Nothing like that. Turns out 246 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I am not alone in that at all. I found 247 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: this was from a university newspaper and it was about 248 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: safety when it comes to landlords, and here's a couple 249 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: of quotes from him. We said that it was really 250 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: important to us that he told us when he was 251 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: going to be coming over because we are three young 252 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: women or women adjacent. Peep, it's not appropriate for my 253 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: fifty year old male landlord to be over unannounced, Lee, 254 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: a sophomore, said, Although he agreed, Lee's landlord entered their 255 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: home unannounced on multiple occasions. They noted times when their 256 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: landlord would unlock the door and come into their house 257 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: without knocking or giving notice. He did not allow for 258 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: curtains despite the home's large windows. Lee even found him 259 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: walking around the property with the ability to see through 260 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: the windows. 261 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: Uh uh. 262 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: Now, I think there's a strange thing that happens with 263 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: some landlords where they just see it so much as 264 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: their property that that doesn't matter to them, right, Like 265 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: they can just come in. They can tell you can't 266 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: have curtains, like. 267 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Which is actually I don't know about the curtains would 268 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: but the whole like just entering that's illegal. 269 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I can't imagine in what world you think 270 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: that that's okay. 271 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: I think it's like emergency situations only. Yeah, which if 272 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: it's that bad, you need to victim, Like if you 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: have that type of like emergency, think that there's something 274 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: bad happening and the fairy is happening in your home, 275 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: or if you're just being an act or a pervert. 276 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: Right right, or if you think they're dead maybe, But 277 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: that's a whole different thing. 278 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: It's a different I think this is where like having 279 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: a dog, it's not a bad thing, it's my dog 280 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: hated my landlord. 281 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Some people said that, yeah, they brought up having these 282 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: protections for the landlord. It's just such a like the 283 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: power dynamic is very difficult because as you said, like 284 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, a landlord could kick you out at any time, 285 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: and then you're without a place. In theory, they give 286 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: you this period legally guaranteed period, but even that, I mean, 287 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: that's difficult. So you're put in a situation where you 288 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: really don't feel like you can voice things or complain 289 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: too much, or they'll just kick you out. 290 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: Right, okay, like unreasonably raising your rent to kick you out. 291 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: And I do find it interesting the whole point about 292 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: like wanting a couple, because my building has nine I 293 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: believe it's nine apartments in it, and they're they're like 294 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: not small, but they're not big, and there are most 295 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: people are couples in here, and I'm just like, how 296 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: do you live? I mean, I guess, I guess. Sure again, 297 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. It's not like it's tiny, but it's 298 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: if y'all had two people in here all the time, right, 299 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. And the fact that it's very clearly like, oh, 300 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: you're a more stable couple because you're not gay. It's 301 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: just odd. I can't imagine having kids in here. Oh 302 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, I that too, I know, I just I 303 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: can't imagine it. And there's a lot of like this 304 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: is a privately owned building, it has a lot of quirks, 305 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: A lot of them I really like. But it is 306 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: one of those buildings that like I have to give 307 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, oh this the door won't close all the 308 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: way here, and if you need to do that, like 309 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of race. 310 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: The tricky things. Yeah, but then do this. 311 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: But just an old building, I get it, that's okay, 312 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: But I just imagining like a kid in here. I 313 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: don't know. 314 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The partment that I lived in was like 315 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: a quadplex and it is old, old, well love it, 316 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: like I think pre I think in a world World 317 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: War one era type of thing. Was brick and had 318 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: giant like nice little patios or or porches, and it 319 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: was super cute. It had a lot of personality, has 320 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: a lot of history. Like some of the you know, 321 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: fewer ones that I have still remained, but like I 322 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: had when I first moved in, they were just renovating 323 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: all the buildings and the area was up and coming, 324 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: but still kind of, you know, not the greatest in 325 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: some certain parts, as it always goes with gentrification. And 326 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: then but one couple lived in the home and they 327 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: were very sweet. They were very nice to me. However, 328 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: they did have like at first they had a toddler, 329 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: and it was just the in it. They were a 330 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: lesbian couple and they were sweet, and they had the 331 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: baby and she was wonderful. The little girl was the 332 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: cutest in the world. Didn't really hear much of them. 333 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: Everything was fine, and I could I was like, still wow, 334 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: having a child, but toddler reasonable. Then they had uh 335 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: one of the women's daughters move in who also had 336 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: two kids. So they had another couple. And this is 337 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: like technically a two but it's not, y'all. It's like 338 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: a bedroom and then maybe an office and then a 339 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: very small bathroom with no washer, dryer anywhere. I think 340 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: this one had a dishrushers, was the first one to 341 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: have a dishrusher. But they had a five year old 342 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: six year old, a lot of energy, a lot of energy. 343 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: And also the where their house is, it does have 344 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: a small yard, and the back does have a small yard. 345 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: But the amount of fleas and because we had like 346 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: wild cats roaming everywhere, the amount of fleas and bugs, 347 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: like I couldn't go out back there without getting eaten up, 348 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: like it was bad. Peaches would get my dog would 349 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: get fleas every time. And it was just a whole mess, 350 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: and like so the kids were not really getting any play, 351 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: but you could hear them running in their house up 352 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: and down, up and down so loudly that it was 353 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: almost comical. I will say, respect that ten o'clock get stopped, 354 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: but the amount of noise that was happening. Like I 355 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: would come downstairs and there was nothing bad going on, 356 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: but like the kid was trapped in between because we 357 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: had like the security door and then the actual door. 358 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: The kid was drafted in between. When I walked down 359 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: then I was like, what's happened, what's happening? What is happening? 360 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: And it's no like shade to the parents. It literally 361 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: it was like in my head, I'm like, they have 362 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: no place to play. This is such a small place 363 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: that the fact that you had three kids here and 364 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: like they're losing it because they do not have anywhere 365 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: to lose it like get their energy and under that. 366 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: One of them ended up going to like day care 367 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: and she was fine, but it was just like wow, 368 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: but having that kind of space and being in that 369 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: kind of small space where there's nothing soundpre of you here, 370 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: everything and that I did, I did hear everything, but 371 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: like having that just reverberated through the house, But in 372 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, man, and unfortunately, like the other 373 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: neighbors were not happy about this and would like they 374 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: got into like arguments about this and there's nothing to 375 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: be helped. But I was like, yeah, I don't understand 376 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: how this works. This can't be ideal. And granted, I 377 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: know like that they in their mind, the landlords were 378 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: probably thinking just that mid you know, couple who just 379 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: got married with new kids or like youngest kids, where 380 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: everything is ideal, and You're like, that's not Are you sure, 381 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: because I don't think that's how that. It's not gonna 382 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: be as pretty as you think it is, especially in 383 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: like I'm not taking care of the front yard if 384 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: I'm having to take care of kid. 385 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That quote was strange. I was like 386 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: women doing that, that's like kind of against stereotype. All right, 387 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: the gardening, yes, but they're. 388 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Like loading gardening in their own home right right, Like 389 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: I've had ideas about like, oh, I'm going to make 390 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: this this way, but because the landlords haven't done half 391 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: of what they needed to, like literally haven't mowed the 392 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: grass in three weeks, why would I try to make 393 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: it pretty m M. 394 00:22:53,800 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: This is your responsibility, right, yep. Yeah, it sounds like 395 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of disagreement about, you know, 396 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: what they should do, but also them just trying to 397 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: skirt the what they can get away with. 398 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: Right, the least that they have to do to get 399 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: their money. Yeah. 400 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: The power again, that power dynamic of like, well I 401 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: wanted this place to live, so oh yeah, Well we'll 402 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: definitely come back to this one because it is a 403 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: big conversation right now, just living spaces in general, but 404 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: also just living but renting that whole situation. 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