1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,266 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. All Right, you know, on this 3 00:00:17,386 --> 00:00:21,106 Speaker 1: podcast we try to teach people about the NFL, my 4 00:00:21,226 --> 00:00:23,986 Speaker 1: camp Michael Robinson with you. There's something else that I've 5 00:00:24,026 --> 00:00:26,706 Speaker 1: been learning working with you, m Rosco. That you are, 6 00:00:26,986 --> 00:00:28,746 Speaker 1: and I've said this on another podcast, one of the 7 00:00:28,746 --> 00:00:31,546 Speaker 1: more positive people that I know. But if you ever 8 00:00:31,706 --> 00:00:35,626 Speaker 1: throw shade at someone, it's because of the attire that 9 00:00:35,666 --> 00:00:39,666 Speaker 1: they potentially are. I shouldn't say potentially. Kyler Murray, Yes, you. 10 00:00:40,066 --> 00:00:41,746 Speaker 1: We did a segment on t A the other day. 11 00:00:41,866 --> 00:00:43,826 Speaker 1: You threw some shade his way and I was surprised. 12 00:00:43,866 --> 00:00:47,066 Speaker 1: Well again, you call it shade, Yams, but it's more 13 00:00:47,106 --> 00:00:50,186 Speaker 1: of my expectations for that player are so high and 14 00:00:50,226 --> 00:00:52,906 Speaker 1: I don't see him reaching those expectations. So I'm a 15 00:00:52,906 --> 00:00:55,586 Speaker 1: little disappointed. Right, I'm a little disappointed. So it comes 16 00:00:55,626 --> 00:01:00,386 Speaker 1: from a place of positivity. Let's say that still figure 17 00:01:00,386 --> 00:01:03,346 Speaker 1: out a way to bring it, bring it full circle. Today, 18 00:01:03,346 --> 00:01:05,106 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some fun. We're gonna actually talk about 19 00:01:05,146 --> 00:01:08,346 Speaker 1: one of the more explosive positions on the football field, 20 00:01:08,586 --> 00:01:10,786 Speaker 1: that is the wide receiver spot. But I want to 21 00:01:10,826 --> 00:01:16,426 Speaker 1: take you back November. Let that one sink in for 22 00:01:16,506 --> 00:01:18,386 Speaker 1: just a second. Did you have any idea like why 23 00:01:18,426 --> 00:01:22,266 Speaker 1: that is a significant date from a wide receiver's perspection? Okay, 24 00:01:22,466 --> 00:01:24,866 Speaker 1: now that's just say it that way. I'm assuming there 25 00:01:24,906 --> 00:01:27,746 Speaker 1: was something of kids don't on that day. There's the 26 00:01:27,866 --> 00:01:34,666 Speaker 1: running back. Wait, actually, and Manning's gonna he won news. 27 00:01:35,106 --> 00:01:40,986 Speaker 1: Oh there's a flag how in the little Oh my goodness, 28 00:01:41,266 --> 00:01:44,986 Speaker 1: you have to be kidding me. That is impossible. That 29 00:01:45,266 --> 00:01:49,506 Speaker 1: is absolutely impossible. What he just did. That may be 30 00:01:49,866 --> 00:01:53,946 Speaker 1: the greatest catch I've ever seen in my life. It's wow. 31 00:01:55,226 --> 00:01:58,986 Speaker 1: Oh b J Handling Business Collins work said it maybe 32 00:01:58,986 --> 00:02:01,066 Speaker 1: the greatest catch you ever saw. I feel like we're 33 00:02:01,066 --> 00:02:03,626 Speaker 1: getting a lot of these more frequently. But when you 34 00:02:03,706 --> 00:02:05,946 Speaker 1: saw it, what was your take? I was like, oh, 35 00:02:05,986 --> 00:02:08,466 Speaker 1: my goodness, that can't be for real. And then I 36 00:02:08,506 --> 00:02:10,746 Speaker 1: was like, well, he had to be out of bounds. 37 00:02:10,946 --> 00:02:12,906 Speaker 1: And to me, what made that O. B J catch 38 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:16,986 Speaker 1: so amazing is he scored. He scored a touchdown, so 39 00:02:17,106 --> 00:02:20,026 Speaker 1: we actually put the ball across the goal line as well, 40 00:02:20,106 --> 00:02:22,466 Speaker 1: not only just the catch, but got some points for 41 00:02:22,626 --> 00:02:24,386 Speaker 1: seeing That's what made it amazing to me. All Right, 42 00:02:24,426 --> 00:02:26,066 Speaker 1: So we played the audio for you. If you if 43 00:02:26,066 --> 00:02:29,706 Speaker 1: you're a little on the younger side of our demo 44 00:02:29,746 --> 00:02:31,986 Speaker 1: who checks out this show, I encourage you. You can 45 00:02:32,026 --> 00:02:34,266 Speaker 1: go on YouTube it like all the kids do the 46 00:02:34,426 --> 00:02:38,226 Speaker 1: catch as m Rob just made reference to Eli Manning 47 00:02:38,226 --> 00:02:41,186 Speaker 1: the quarterback h's the forty three yard reception with one hand, 48 00:02:41,226 --> 00:02:43,506 Speaker 1: fingertips the whole thing. You know, there's a part of 49 00:02:43,586 --> 00:02:45,146 Speaker 1: me and says, all right, dudes are skilled, and I 50 00:02:45,186 --> 00:02:47,866 Speaker 1: get this. I got This is probably the second or 51 00:02:47,866 --> 00:02:49,746 Speaker 1: third time I've made reference to him on this podcast. 52 00:02:49,746 --> 00:02:52,546 Speaker 1: But Curtis Conway, good buddy of mine. Sea Way would 53 00:02:52,546 --> 00:02:55,346 Speaker 1: always say this to me. Oh man, those receiver gloves 54 00:02:55,386 --> 00:02:57,426 Speaker 1: a little different than what I used to play. They're 55 00:02:57,506 --> 00:03:00,186 Speaker 1: really sticky, and they actually have a bunch of them. 56 00:03:00,266 --> 00:03:03,346 Speaker 1: I think they're just more sticky than the ones from 57 00:03:03,666 --> 00:03:05,946 Speaker 1: back in the day. They are sticky. They are little 58 00:03:05,946 --> 00:03:08,026 Speaker 1: bit more sticky than the old Newman gloves that I 59 00:03:08,106 --> 00:03:09,906 Speaker 1: used to wear when I was growing up. But look, 60 00:03:10,266 --> 00:03:13,626 Speaker 1: these guys if they're not making these catches because of 61 00:03:13,666 --> 00:03:18,626 Speaker 1: the gloves. Okay, the gloves help, yes, like Spider Man, alright, 62 00:03:18,786 --> 00:03:21,626 Speaker 1: scaling walls with the way some of these gloves are. 63 00:03:21,666 --> 00:03:25,426 Speaker 1: But you're outside catching with those gloves. There's not other 64 00:03:25,786 --> 00:03:28,146 Speaker 1: defensive backs trying to tap you take your head off 65 00:03:28,186 --> 00:03:30,626 Speaker 1: all of those things. The guys have to be skillful 66 00:03:30,786 --> 00:03:33,186 Speaker 1: enough to still catch the football. And I think the 67 00:03:33,226 --> 00:03:36,746 Speaker 1: reason why we're seeing so many of these crazy catches, 68 00:03:37,146 --> 00:03:40,306 Speaker 1: it's all revolving around the quarterback. And the more the 69 00:03:40,386 --> 00:03:42,826 Speaker 1: quarterback has passing camps as he's a younger guy, the 70 00:03:42,826 --> 00:03:45,386 Speaker 1: more the seven on seven camps that are happening, these 71 00:03:45,466 --> 00:03:48,706 Speaker 1: quarterbacks on throwing to themselves when the wilde receivers that 72 00:03:48,746 --> 00:03:51,026 Speaker 1: are out there. So these wide receivers are just getting 73 00:03:51,066 --> 00:03:53,946 Speaker 1: more reps, and so the the opportunities for the great 74 00:03:53,986 --> 00:03:55,906 Speaker 1: catches are just showing up a little bit more, do 75 00:03:55,986 --> 00:03:59,146 Speaker 1: you now, Look, we see great catches on Sundays and 76 00:03:59,186 --> 00:04:01,466 Speaker 1: we made reference too. I mean Pickens had one, you know, 77 00:04:01,506 --> 00:04:03,586 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, you know, earlier in the season, 78 00:04:03,746 --> 00:04:06,986 Speaker 1: he had great one. From a Steller's perspective, these things happen. 79 00:04:07,026 --> 00:04:08,986 Speaker 1: I also wonder if social media plays a little bit 80 00:04:09,026 --> 00:04:10,866 Speaker 1: of a factor and this whole thing has something to 81 00:04:10,906 --> 00:04:13,946 Speaker 1: post everything trying to get those double tasks? Are you 82 00:04:14,106 --> 00:04:17,146 Speaker 1: kidding me? Like, Like, I remember my son's birthday last year. 83 00:04:17,186 --> 00:04:19,386 Speaker 1: He's about to be thirteen this year, and all he 84 00:04:19,466 --> 00:04:22,746 Speaker 1: wanted was a background so he can post. That's all 85 00:04:22,786 --> 00:04:27,026 Speaker 1: he wanted. My times have changed. I wanted money. I 86 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:30,586 Speaker 1: wanted money, Uh you know, a belt of wrestling belt. 87 00:04:30,586 --> 00:04:33,346 Speaker 1: I say, you know something. He's just wanted the background 88 00:04:33,426 --> 00:04:36,066 Speaker 1: so he can take selfies. That's the generation we're in. So, yeah, 89 00:04:36,186 --> 00:04:40,306 Speaker 1: social media does account for because not only are these 90 00:04:40,346 --> 00:04:43,346 Speaker 1: young players, young football players and youth level seeing their 91 00:04:43,386 --> 00:04:46,306 Speaker 1: favorite player go on social media. But I mean, obviously 92 00:04:46,346 --> 00:04:48,666 Speaker 1: you want the likes you want. You want that gratification 93 00:04:48,706 --> 00:04:50,986 Speaker 1: for people looking at you. Should I should I be 94 00:04:51,066 --> 00:04:54,666 Speaker 1: worried about the future. No, I believe our futures in 95 00:04:54,706 --> 00:04:57,546 Speaker 1: good hands. But but there's a lot of selfies out there. 96 00:04:57,546 --> 00:05:00,386 Speaker 1: There's a lot of selfies that in downtown Richmond, Virginia, 97 00:05:00,426 --> 00:05:03,586 Speaker 1: we have a selfie museum. Okay, it's a real business 98 00:05:03,586 --> 00:05:06,986 Speaker 1: and it makes money. Yeah. People come, they get a 99 00:05:07,026 --> 00:05:10,586 Speaker 1: little bit different background, and they take selfies. That is 100 00:05:10,626 --> 00:05:14,506 Speaker 1: the culture we are. And yes, yes, Mike, yes I 101 00:05:14,506 --> 00:05:17,506 Speaker 1: always feel awkward doing it. Oh my god, I know 102 00:05:17,666 --> 00:05:20,346 Speaker 1: that was a thing. That's a thing. It's a selfie museum. 103 00:05:20,386 --> 00:05:22,226 Speaker 1: Shout out to the people down in which movie to 104 00:05:22,226 --> 00:05:24,826 Speaker 1: self the museum, Yes, Emrod bringing it as we made 105 00:05:24,866 --> 00:05:27,186 Speaker 1: reference to today is all about the evolution of the 106 00:05:27,186 --> 00:05:29,986 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Will sprinkle in a little more selfie conversation 107 00:05:30,026 --> 00:05:32,706 Speaker 1: at some point, maybe even on a different episode. We're 108 00:05:32,706 --> 00:05:35,066 Speaker 1: gonna break this down from every single angle, and I 109 00:05:35,106 --> 00:05:37,146 Speaker 1: know I just brought up the gloves and then being sticky. 110 00:05:37,186 --> 00:05:39,786 Speaker 1: There's also a reason, not just the one handed grabs, 111 00:05:39,786 --> 00:05:42,786 Speaker 1: but there's a reason why the position has evolved to 112 00:05:42,786 --> 00:05:45,026 Speaker 1: the point where you can make an argument it is 113 00:05:45,346 --> 00:05:48,626 Speaker 1: the most important position on the football field outside of 114 00:05:48,706 --> 00:05:50,706 Speaker 1: the quarterback. We're going to go through some of the numbers, 115 00:05:50,706 --> 00:05:52,746 Speaker 1: some of the data, but I think we should actually 116 00:05:52,786 --> 00:05:58,186 Speaker 1: start back in nineteen seventy four and I was negative. 117 00:05:58,946 --> 00:06:02,746 Speaker 1: That was negative about years. Like I was in the 118 00:06:02,786 --> 00:06:05,666 Speaker 1: negative in in seventy four. My parents weren't even mar 119 00:06:05,826 --> 00:06:08,386 Speaker 1: right at that point. Just to put some contact. Damn, 120 00:06:08,426 --> 00:06:12,826 Speaker 1: I'm feeling old. I'm feeling old. In response to what 121 00:06:12,906 --> 00:06:16,466 Speaker 1: was called the bumping run coverage, defenders could no longer 122 00:06:16,786 --> 00:06:19,746 Speaker 1: restrict wide receivers after three plus yards now. That was 123 00:06:19,786 --> 00:06:23,346 Speaker 1: actually increased to five yards in nineteen seventy eight, and 124 00:06:23,426 --> 00:06:26,226 Speaker 1: immediately you saw a spike and it makes sense right 125 00:06:26,266 --> 00:06:28,986 Speaker 1: in passing yards from one hundred and fifty nine per 126 00:06:29,026 --> 00:06:31,946 Speaker 1: game in seventy eight to a hundred and eighty the 127 00:06:32,026 --> 00:06:34,826 Speaker 1: following year. So it's by far the biggest spike in 128 00:06:34,866 --> 00:06:37,546 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era. Now, starting in two thousand two, 129 00:06:37,786 --> 00:06:39,826 Speaker 1: I was very much alive. I was actually still in college. 130 00:06:39,826 --> 00:06:43,306 Speaker 1: At that point, quarterbacks were more protected, with helmet to 131 00:06:43,386 --> 00:06:46,666 Speaker 1: helmet hits becoming illegal, followed by a two thousand six 132 00:06:46,786 --> 00:06:49,306 Speaker 1: rule that bart hits from below the knees on quarterbacks. 133 00:06:49,346 --> 00:06:50,746 Speaker 1: And I think we can all agree on all of 134 00:06:50,746 --> 00:06:53,586 Speaker 1: that stuff. Man, Yeah, for sure is good. There's dudes 135 00:06:53,586 --> 00:06:56,106 Speaker 1: who you know, when when guys start going low, I'm like, oh, like, 136 00:06:56,146 --> 00:06:58,666 Speaker 1: I cringe a little bit when I see those moments. 137 00:06:59,546 --> 00:07:03,786 Speaker 1: It doesn't two thousand four, defensive holding and illegal contact 138 00:07:03,826 --> 00:07:06,466 Speaker 1: on wide receivers became a point of m the CISTS, 139 00:07:06,506 --> 00:07:09,146 Speaker 1: and in two thousand nine, any hit on a player 140 00:07:09,306 --> 00:07:13,226 Speaker 1: deemed a defenseless receiver was implemented, resulting in a fifteen 141 00:07:13,746 --> 00:07:17,586 Speaker 1: yard penalty. Also, we saw these hits take place on 142 00:07:17,626 --> 00:07:20,266 Speaker 1: the college side where guys get injected. Look, I'm all 143 00:07:20,346 --> 00:07:21,906 Speaker 1: for it because I do think it's important to keep 144 00:07:21,946 --> 00:07:24,306 Speaker 1: all these players safe. But in your mind, if you're 145 00:07:24,306 --> 00:07:28,386 Speaker 1: a dB, like, it's kind of hard to defend some 146 00:07:28,466 --> 00:07:30,626 Speaker 1: of these dudes with some of these roles. From impossible, 147 00:07:30,866 --> 00:07:34,626 Speaker 1: it is impossible. You'll see the top defensive backs Jalen Ramsey, um, 148 00:07:34,866 --> 00:07:36,866 Speaker 1: who else? Give me another top day? J C. Jackson 149 00:07:37,106 --> 00:07:39,346 Speaker 1: who just got paid? Yeah, all of these guys, they 150 00:07:39,346 --> 00:07:43,106 Speaker 1: will tell you they're the days of the shutdown cornerback 151 00:07:43,146 --> 00:07:46,066 Speaker 1: are gone. There's no longer those guys walking the planet 152 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:49,546 Speaker 1: anymore because the rules don't allow it, the gameplay doesn't allow. 153 00:07:49,706 --> 00:07:53,346 Speaker 1: The ingenuity of the offenses don't allow. Yeah, we live 154 00:07:53,386 --> 00:07:55,906 Speaker 1: in a Western society, but the Western society is all 155 00:07:55,946 --> 00:07:58,626 Speaker 1: about the offensive, right, and you can see it show 156 00:07:58,706 --> 00:08:02,586 Speaker 1: up in our game. Passing plays, passing downs and and 157 00:08:02,666 --> 00:08:05,306 Speaker 1: throwing the ball through the air is exciting, right. I 158 00:08:05,306 --> 00:08:07,306 Speaker 1: think in the early days of football, when it was 159 00:08:07,346 --> 00:08:10,066 Speaker 1: more of a defensive struggle and running the football and 160 00:08:10,466 --> 00:08:12,186 Speaker 1: two yards and a cloud of dust and all of 161 00:08:12,226 --> 00:08:14,546 Speaker 1: those things, I think the people that ran our league 162 00:08:14,666 --> 00:08:16,826 Speaker 1: was thinking, how can we make this more marketable? How 163 00:08:16,826 --> 00:08:18,946 Speaker 1: can we get the fans a little bit more excited 164 00:08:19,106 --> 00:08:21,546 Speaker 1: about their respective teams? And I think that's why you 165 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:24,106 Speaker 1: saw the explosion in the past game. That's why you 166 00:08:24,106 --> 00:08:26,626 Speaker 1: saw the rules kind of change a little bit. But 167 00:08:26,986 --> 00:08:30,266 Speaker 1: it does take a different type of guy to be 168 00:08:30,306 --> 00:08:32,786 Speaker 1: a defensive back in today's NFL. Yeah, you can be, 169 00:08:33,026 --> 00:08:34,586 Speaker 1: you know. I think I was with the Pete Carroll 170 00:08:34,746 --> 00:08:38,106 Speaker 1: way of thinking about defensive backs. Longer guys not necessarily 171 00:08:38,146 --> 00:08:40,386 Speaker 1: the fastest guys in the world, but they're so long 172 00:08:40,906 --> 00:08:44,146 Speaker 1: that they have that makeup speed by their limbs, right, 173 00:08:44,186 --> 00:08:46,106 Speaker 1: they can make up because of how long they are, 174 00:08:46,146 --> 00:08:48,266 Speaker 1: I e. Richard Sherman and things like that. But it 175 00:08:48,346 --> 00:08:52,186 Speaker 1: does take a unique individual, especially psychologically, and think about it. 176 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:55,626 Speaker 1: All the rules, all the things that go against defenses. 177 00:08:55,866 --> 00:08:57,586 Speaker 1: You can't touch them, you can't hit them when they 178 00:08:57,626 --> 00:08:59,786 Speaker 1: do get the ball, you can't hit the pastor you 179 00:08:59,786 --> 00:09:02,026 Speaker 1: gotta let him and throw the football. Let him. I 180 00:09:02,066 --> 00:09:04,986 Speaker 1: mean camp Chancellor hit Vernon Davis one time, and I 181 00:09:04,986 --> 00:09:07,666 Speaker 1: think it was the NFC Championship. Oh man, it was awesome. 182 00:09:07,826 --> 00:09:09,666 Speaker 1: He hit him so hard and runners, my guy, I 183 00:09:09,706 --> 00:09:13,946 Speaker 1: love verning. He hit Vernon so hard Vernon pats almost 184 00:09:13,946 --> 00:09:15,706 Speaker 1: came off. I said, how are you gonna do so hard? 185 00:09:15,706 --> 00:09:18,106 Speaker 1: His pants almost came off that that's how hard he 186 00:09:18,186 --> 00:09:20,626 Speaker 1: hit him. And I remember Camp said, man, I went 187 00:09:20,666 --> 00:09:22,306 Speaker 1: to the ref and the ref just looked at me 188 00:09:22,346 --> 00:09:24,026 Speaker 1: and then through the flag and he said, why did 189 00:09:24,026 --> 00:09:26,106 Speaker 1: you throw the flag? And the ref set that just 190 00:09:26,146 --> 00:09:30,826 Speaker 1: looked too hard, that violent, he said. He didn't tell 191 00:09:30,826 --> 00:09:32,746 Speaker 1: me anything that was wrong with the hit. It just 192 00:09:32,786 --> 00:09:36,146 Speaker 1: looked too violent. So that is the environment our defensive 193 00:09:36,146 --> 00:09:38,426 Speaker 1: backs have to operate in. So they have to have 194 00:09:38,466 --> 00:09:40,906 Speaker 1: from a psychological stampout. They have to have a short memory, 195 00:09:41,106 --> 00:09:43,946 Speaker 1: and they gotta be wired differently, right. They can't. You know, 196 00:09:44,146 --> 00:09:45,986 Speaker 1: when I say short memory, just because you had to 197 00:09:46,026 --> 00:09:48,186 Speaker 1: catch on your two plays ago, you cannot let that 198 00:09:48,226 --> 00:09:51,026 Speaker 1: effect the next play because more times than not, you're 199 00:09:51,266 --> 00:09:55,346 Speaker 1: you're gonna get burned. Like in those moments you're the guy. 200 00:09:55,626 --> 00:09:57,786 Speaker 1: Ten times out of ten you can get somebody catching 201 00:09:57,786 --> 00:10:01,186 Speaker 1: the football on you. That's just the way it goes. Okay, 202 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:03,746 Speaker 1: we see Jalen Ramsey, you know, arguably the best in 203 00:10:03,746 --> 00:10:07,106 Speaker 1: the game at the cornerback position. When the Tampa Bay 204 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:09,946 Speaker 1: Buccaneers were trying to come back last year, Tom Brady 205 00:10:09,946 --> 00:10:13,106 Speaker 1: went after Jalen rams Earlier this season, he's been criticized. 206 00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:15,786 Speaker 1: So again, it's tough to play defensive back in the 207 00:10:15,826 --> 00:10:18,506 Speaker 1: National Football any truce to that old adage that their 208 00:10:18,546 --> 00:10:20,906 Speaker 1: their wide receivers you just can't catch. That is true. 209 00:10:21,546 --> 00:10:24,186 Speaker 1: If you're a wide receiver and you can catch, you 210 00:10:24,306 --> 00:10:28,706 Speaker 1: stay on the side. Serious business. Like my son. Always 211 00:10:28,706 --> 00:10:31,026 Speaker 1: give reference to my son. My youngest boy be five, 212 00:10:31,146 --> 00:10:33,266 Speaker 1: was going down. I know he listens. He listens every week, 213 00:10:33,306 --> 00:10:36,666 Speaker 1: so I know he's gonna enjoy thee I hear him. 214 00:10:36,666 --> 00:10:38,666 Speaker 1: He has his son was going and he listens to us. 215 00:10:38,666 --> 00:10:41,706 Speaker 1: So it's all way taking selfies, taking selfies while he's 216 00:10:41,706 --> 00:10:44,706 Speaker 1: doing it right with its stuff. You know. That's the 217 00:10:44,786 --> 00:10:48,026 Speaker 1: young people. Uh, and you know um in today's game. 218 00:10:48,106 --> 00:10:50,746 Speaker 1: But I tell my son all the time, everybody wants 219 00:10:50,786 --> 00:10:54,466 Speaker 1: to play wide receiver. Everybody the harder position to play 220 00:10:54,666 --> 00:10:56,986 Speaker 1: in the position you get a lot of benefits of 221 00:10:56,986 --> 00:10:59,426 Speaker 1: the doubt on is defensive back. Not a lot of 222 00:10:59,426 --> 00:11:02,186 Speaker 1: guys want to go there because guys get toasted. Yeah yeah, 223 00:11:02,346 --> 00:11:04,786 Speaker 1: not not necessarily the easiest thing, by the way, and 224 00:11:04,986 --> 00:11:07,666 Speaker 1: the position, the way guys are paid, wide receivers now 225 00:11:07,706 --> 00:11:09,786 Speaker 1: are cashing in in a big way. I know we've 226 00:11:09,826 --> 00:11:12,506 Speaker 1: talked about that a ton on NFL Network, especially in 227 00:11:12,506 --> 00:11:14,626 Speaker 1: the off season with a lot of those contracts. But 228 00:11:14,866 --> 00:11:17,386 Speaker 1: you know, we briefly mentioned before m rob quarterbacks, And 229 00:11:17,426 --> 00:11:19,746 Speaker 1: just to add some context on the passing game, I 230 00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:22,266 Speaker 1: want to go back to nine. That was the year 231 00:11:22,346 --> 00:11:26,626 Speaker 1: after the initial illegal contact role was instituted. Dan Fouts 232 00:11:26,826 --> 00:11:29,466 Speaker 1: led the league with two hundred and fifty five passing 233 00:11:29,546 --> 00:11:34,266 Speaker 1: yards per games. Well that's actually the point, right, So 234 00:11:34,426 --> 00:11:36,746 Speaker 1: you hear two fifty five and seventy nine? How about 235 00:11:36,786 --> 00:11:41,306 Speaker 1: this in two so far through week five? That would 236 00:11:41,386 --> 00:11:44,946 Speaker 1: land him eighteen, just ahead of Russell Wilson. And let's 237 00:11:44,986 --> 00:11:51,146 Speaker 1: be real here, Russ and shoulder. Yeah you could you 238 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:54,386 Speaker 1: feel bad saying it, but I don't feel bad. One 239 00:11:54,386 --> 00:11:56,426 Speaker 1: other quick note here, by the way, Andy Dalton has 240 00:11:56,466 --> 00:11:59,746 Speaker 1: more career passing yards than all but nine of the 241 00:11:59,826 --> 00:12:05,426 Speaker 1: twenty nine Hall of Fame. Yeah, hey, research, is that 242 00:12:05,546 --> 00:12:08,626 Speaker 1: for real? You mean to tell me Andy Dalton, a 243 00:12:08,706 --> 00:12:12,746 Speaker 1: backup quarterback, already has more passing yards than twenty of 244 00:12:12,826 --> 00:12:15,306 Speaker 1: the twenty nine Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Yeah, you want 245 00:12:15,306 --> 00:12:19,066 Speaker 1: to hear some of the names, Yes, please, dude, Troy Aikman, Okay, 246 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:25,866 Speaker 1: Steve Jim Kelly, are you kidding me? Andy Dawn's ahead 247 00:12:25,906 --> 00:12:29,866 Speaker 1: of those guys? Just just context, Matt, Like you said, 248 00:12:29,866 --> 00:12:32,026 Speaker 1: it and you said it, Well, it all is going 249 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:34,946 Speaker 1: more towards the offense and the popularity of the sport. 250 00:12:34,986 --> 00:12:44,226 Speaker 1: People want to see some points being s four. Welcome 251 00:12:44,226 --> 00:12:46,906 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained podcast. Now, the first thing 252 00:12:46,946 --> 00:12:49,666 Speaker 1: to note actually is from nineteen seventy four to nine 253 00:12:49,946 --> 00:12:53,906 Speaker 1: eighties six, a wide receiver. This was shocking to me, 254 00:12:54,466 --> 00:12:59,106 Speaker 1: lad the NFL in receptions in only two seasons. I'm 255 00:12:59,106 --> 00:13:00,986 Speaker 1: gonna let that one sink in first second, Art Monk 256 00:13:01,026 --> 00:13:04,066 Speaker 1: in eighty four, Dwight Clark in eighty two. So from 257 00:13:04,146 --> 00:13:08,146 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven to twenty two, a wide receiver led 258 00:13:08,146 --> 00:13:11,586 Speaker 1: the NFL and receptions every season, but one. Tony Gonzalez 259 00:13:11,626 --> 00:13:13,226 Speaker 1: was that guy in two thousand four, and that was 260 00:13:13,346 --> 00:13:15,986 Speaker 1: just a ridiculous season. So let's take a closer look 261 00:13:16,026 --> 00:13:19,106 Speaker 1: at the one thousand yard receivers versus the rushers and 262 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:23,346 Speaker 1: two thousand there were twenty three one thousand yard rushers 263 00:13:23,346 --> 00:13:28,026 Speaker 1: in eighteen thousand yard receivers. Fast forward to twenty six 264 00:13:28,106 --> 00:13:30,706 Speaker 1: wide house that actually reached that mark versus just seven 265 00:13:30,786 --> 00:13:34,706 Speaker 1: rushers that hit the one thousand yard milestone. By the way, 266 00:13:34,706 --> 00:13:37,146 Speaker 1: that was the same total. I almost feel like we 267 00:13:37,226 --> 00:13:39,986 Speaker 1: might not go back to the old school NFEL. I mean, hell, 268 00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:42,146 Speaker 1: you want to talk about defense and how people don't 269 00:13:42,146 --> 00:13:43,866 Speaker 1: want to see it. Remember that Thursday Night game a 270 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:47,586 Speaker 1: couple weeks back, Colts and Broncos twelve nine, And by 271 00:13:47,586 --> 00:13:50,066 Speaker 1: the way, everyone's all bad game, bad game. I'm sitting 272 00:13:50,066 --> 00:13:51,706 Speaker 1: here going, do you know how many great plays the 273 00:13:51,786 --> 00:13:54,746 Speaker 1: defense made the game? And I'm sitting here going, all right, 274 00:13:54,826 --> 00:13:57,826 Speaker 1: it's different, but defense is still a part of the game. 275 00:13:57,906 --> 00:14:00,466 Speaker 1: I say that. And the wide receiver episode, I published 276 00:14:00,466 --> 00:14:05,946 Speaker 1: a table. I gotta sprinkle all of this in little 277 00:14:05,946 --> 00:14:09,226 Speaker 1: bit for everyone. So not only are wide receivers really prospering, 278 00:14:09,226 --> 00:14:12,306 Speaker 1: they're actually doing it at a younger age. So it 279 00:14:12,386 --> 00:14:14,586 Speaker 1: used to take guys a couple extra years to get 280 00:14:14,626 --> 00:14:16,986 Speaker 1: acclimated to the pro game. That transition is not always 281 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:21,226 Speaker 1: easy for a lot of players. But twelve receivers under 282 00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:23,786 Speaker 1: twenty six when over a thousand yards, that's the most 283 00:14:23,786 --> 00:14:28,106 Speaker 1: in NFL history, Right, Jamar Chase broke the same record, 284 00:14:28,346 --> 00:14:32,826 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson broke in for the most rookie receiving yards 285 00:14:32,946 --> 00:14:35,346 Speaker 1: in a season. How do you explain it? I know 286 00:14:35,386 --> 00:14:38,186 Speaker 1: there's the LSU connection with the realities, like there's other 287 00:14:38,306 --> 00:14:42,146 Speaker 1: dudes that are really putting up huge numbers. Yeah, that's crazy. 288 00:14:42,626 --> 00:14:45,266 Speaker 1: Early on when you talk about that generation of the 289 00:14:45,306 --> 00:14:47,906 Speaker 1: seventies and even before that, in the sixties, that was 290 00:14:47,946 --> 00:14:51,546 Speaker 1: a running backs time. Most teams played with multiple running 291 00:14:51,546 --> 00:14:54,506 Speaker 1: backs on the field. The fullback was a real position. Hell, 292 00:14:54,546 --> 00:14:58,266 Speaker 1: people don't realize Frank o' harris's position was fullback, right, 293 00:14:58,306 --> 00:15:00,866 Speaker 1: But he ran the football. He caught the football. Tom 294 00:15:00,946 --> 00:15:02,746 Speaker 1: Rathman in that West Coast system, that was a little 295 00:15:02,746 --> 00:15:04,826 Speaker 1: bit later, he caught the football a little bit more, 296 00:15:04,826 --> 00:15:07,746 Speaker 1: but it was a lot more running backs involved with 297 00:15:07,826 --> 00:15:13,106 Speaker 1: the game. And I think that as the business of football, right, 298 00:15:13,186 --> 00:15:15,586 Speaker 1: it starts in college the business of football. I can 299 00:15:15,706 --> 00:15:18,506 Speaker 1: argue that the business football starts in high school, um, 300 00:15:18,506 --> 00:15:23,746 Speaker 1: where coaches are having less patients from their superiors to 301 00:15:23,826 --> 00:15:26,346 Speaker 1: get the job done. And so coaches on the younger 302 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:28,906 Speaker 1: levels from the national football they they have to recruit. 303 00:15:28,946 --> 00:15:32,066 Speaker 1: And when you recruit, you gotta promise young people certain 304 00:15:32,106 --> 00:15:34,466 Speaker 1: things that they're gonna have when they come to university 305 00:15:34,546 --> 00:15:36,586 Speaker 1: or your high school. And so I believe that a 306 00:15:36,626 --> 00:15:39,706 Speaker 1: lot of the enginuity of these coaches wanted to get 307 00:15:39,746 --> 00:15:42,906 Speaker 1: these players on the field earlier, so they devised plans 308 00:15:43,146 --> 00:15:45,946 Speaker 1: so that they can learn the game easier. For instance, 309 00:15:46,186 --> 00:15:48,826 Speaker 1: some offenses try to hurry up right or try to 310 00:15:48,906 --> 00:15:51,106 Speaker 1: hurry up, you know with the Chip Kelly offenses and 311 00:15:51,106 --> 00:15:53,906 Speaker 1: things like that. Well, instead of having the huddle up, 312 00:15:54,186 --> 00:15:56,506 Speaker 1: call a place or everybody knows what's going on, they 313 00:15:56,666 --> 00:15:59,506 Speaker 1: just stayed at the line of scrimmage, put some signs up. 314 00:15:59,866 --> 00:16:03,106 Speaker 1: Receivers look to the sideline. They are now knew their route. 315 00:16:03,146 --> 00:16:05,506 Speaker 1: It was a little bit more of efficient way to 316 00:16:05,746 --> 00:16:08,146 Speaker 1: get to play to everybody so that you can gain 317 00:16:08,186 --> 00:16:10,506 Speaker 1: an edge, so that you can gain an advantage, so 318 00:16:10,586 --> 00:16:12,786 Speaker 1: the head guy can keep his job. I believe all 319 00:16:12,906 --> 00:16:15,186 Speaker 1: changes came down to that. The fact that teams had 320 00:16:15,186 --> 00:16:16,946 Speaker 1: to put these guys on the feel a little bit earlier. 321 00:16:17,026 --> 00:16:19,266 Speaker 1: Coaches had to adjust, they had to be more efficient 322 00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:22,346 Speaker 1: and play calling hints. These guys are getting more reps. 323 00:16:22,426 --> 00:16:24,946 Speaker 1: These guys are getting more opportunities to catch the football. Okay, 324 00:16:24,986 --> 00:16:27,106 Speaker 1: I referenced some of the numbers from the seventies and 325 00:16:27,146 --> 00:16:31,026 Speaker 1: the eighties. I will say this body types have also 326 00:16:31,306 --> 00:16:33,386 Speaker 1: changed as well. We will get into that later here. 327 00:16:33,426 --> 00:16:35,386 Speaker 1: In terms of the wide receivers and and some of 328 00:16:35,426 --> 00:16:38,626 Speaker 1: the things that we are seeing measurables from the combine. Well, 329 00:16:38,786 --> 00:16:43,266 Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint, the wide receiver position is getting better. 330 00:16:43,906 --> 00:16:45,586 Speaker 1: But if you ask a lot of former players, and 331 00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:49,306 Speaker 1: I'm one of them, completely how the wide receiver fits 332 00:16:49,346 --> 00:16:52,626 Speaker 1: into the offense, we believe they're becoming a little bit 333 00:16:52,706 --> 00:16:56,466 Speaker 1: less relevant. And I say that by saying I believe 334 00:16:57,346 --> 00:17:00,146 Speaker 1: in ten years, wide receivers are gonna be looked at 335 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:03,626 Speaker 1: as runners are looked at now, where you say we 336 00:17:03,666 --> 00:17:06,106 Speaker 1: can find running back at any time of the draft, right, 337 00:17:06,306 --> 00:17:08,426 Speaker 1: you have wide receivers. They're all running four twos and 338 00:17:08,466 --> 00:17:11,506 Speaker 1: four threes. They're all right, they all can catch. You 339 00:17:11,546 --> 00:17:14,106 Speaker 1: can find Stefend Diggs in the second or third round. 340 00:17:14,146 --> 00:17:16,586 Speaker 1: You can find a guy in the six or seventh round. 341 00:17:16,866 --> 00:17:19,986 Speaker 1: I just believe that we're seeing the golden years of 342 00:17:19,986 --> 00:17:22,746 Speaker 1: wild receivers now and at some point they're gonna be 343 00:17:22,786 --> 00:17:24,986 Speaker 1: looked at like running backs, like you can get one 344 00:17:25,026 --> 00:17:27,106 Speaker 1: at any time of the draft, because the running backs 345 00:17:27,186 --> 00:17:29,986 Speaker 1: used to be the golden position back in the day, 346 00:17:30,106 --> 00:17:32,906 Speaker 1: and now it has shifted. Well, we're gonna actually coming 347 00:17:32,986 --> 00:17:34,626 Speaker 1: up here and talk about some of those numbers. But 348 00:17:34,826 --> 00:17:37,426 Speaker 1: if that's the case, then what becomes the value position 349 00:17:37,466 --> 00:17:39,506 Speaker 1: is it defensive back, is it you know one of 350 00:17:39,506 --> 00:17:42,026 Speaker 1: those d tackles, someone who are an edge guy that 351 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:44,266 Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback, can be disruptive. Does it 352 00:17:44,386 --> 00:17:48,146 Speaker 1: go that direction? I believe in a football team, your 353 00:17:48,186 --> 00:17:52,026 Speaker 1: offensive line right is the engine of your team. Your 354 00:17:52,026 --> 00:17:55,266 Speaker 1: secondary is the battery. Like if you're using a car reference, 355 00:17:55,306 --> 00:17:58,666 Speaker 1: you can't really win having a having real deficiencies in 356 00:17:58,986 --> 00:18:02,826 Speaker 1: both areas. So I believe the next wave of like 357 00:18:03,106 --> 00:18:07,786 Speaker 1: star athletes or whatever, well revolve around the line of scrimmage. 358 00:18:07,986 --> 00:18:10,506 Speaker 1: Your big time tackles, your big time pass rushers, the 359 00:18:10,546 --> 00:18:12,906 Speaker 1: big athletic guys. We saw trade by Walker goes over 360 00:18:12,986 --> 00:18:16,306 Speaker 1: one overall this year. And your defensive backs guys who 361 00:18:16,466 --> 00:18:18,786 Speaker 1: we just talked about the diversity and receivers. We just 362 00:18:18,826 --> 00:18:20,906 Speaker 1: talked about how it used to be a golden age 363 00:18:20,946 --> 00:18:22,586 Speaker 1: of running backs. Now you're gonna have to have a 364 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:25,226 Speaker 1: defensive bat who has the quickness and the speed to 365 00:18:25,266 --> 00:18:27,706 Speaker 1: stay with guys like Tyreek Hill and the shifting needs 366 00:18:27,746 --> 00:18:30,466 Speaker 1: to stay with Jamar Chase and guys like that. But 367 00:18:30,626 --> 00:18:33,826 Speaker 1: you also have to have the pads and the aggressiveness 368 00:18:33,866 --> 00:18:35,866 Speaker 1: to tackle running backs because you're gonna be in the 369 00:18:36,066 --> 00:18:38,386 Speaker 1: on the field all the time. I just think the 370 00:18:38,506 --> 00:18:42,306 Speaker 1: defensive players are in it. We're literally seeing them changed 371 00:18:42,346 --> 00:18:45,066 Speaker 1: before our eyes. Okay, So I think coming up here, 372 00:18:45,146 --> 00:18:48,786 Speaker 1: and it's important to note here wide receiver sets and 373 00:18:49,146 --> 00:18:54,186 Speaker 1: how they're being used also impacts the significance of this 374 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:57,786 Speaker 1: position a year ago. It can kind of actually explain 375 00:18:57,866 --> 00:18:59,386 Speaker 1: some of the draft stuff that we're seeing. U. I 376 00:18:59,386 --> 00:19:01,266 Speaker 1: shouldn't say year ago, because in two thousand and six, 377 00:19:01,306 --> 00:19:04,386 Speaker 1: teams lined up with three wideouts just fourteen point two 378 00:19:04,386 --> 00:19:08,106 Speaker 1: percent of the time. In one that's up almost ten percent, 379 00:19:08,266 --> 00:19:12,226 Speaker 1: actually exactly ten percent point two. So there is definitely 380 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,106 Speaker 1: a higher priority right now in terms of finding some 381 00:19:15,146 --> 00:19:17,306 Speaker 1: of these guys in the NFL draft. They are they 382 00:19:17,306 --> 00:19:21,706 Speaker 1: bigger though, Are they stronger? Are they faster? Tell you what? Like? Yeah, 383 00:19:21,706 --> 00:19:24,706 Speaker 1: the answer shortly is yes. I'll take you through some 384 00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:26,586 Speaker 1: of those numbers. And I also tell you this, do 385 00:19:26,706 --> 00:19:29,026 Speaker 1: you need a big time watch receiver in order to 386 00:19:29,026 --> 00:19:32,066 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl? When the answer actually may surprise 387 00:19:32,346 --> 00:19:42,066 Speaker 1: that's still to come on the NFL Explained Podcast. Welcome 388 00:19:42,066 --> 00:19:45,466 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained Podcast. You dropped general manager. 389 00:19:45,586 --> 00:19:47,626 Speaker 1: Those are the dudes who kind of handle business and 390 00:19:47,946 --> 00:19:52,546 Speaker 1: putting together these teams they have been going crazy looking 391 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:55,506 Speaker 1: for wide receivers. How about this last year, six wideouts 392 00:19:55,546 --> 00:19:58,466 Speaker 1: went in the top eight team picks, and the last 393 00:19:58,506 --> 00:20:00,986 Speaker 1: three drafts have seen at least five taken them in 394 00:20:01,026 --> 00:20:03,106 Speaker 1: the first round. And there are some dudes that we 395 00:20:03,186 --> 00:20:07,386 Speaker 1: have seen really perform very well in their rookie season 396 00:20:07,466 --> 00:20:10,226 Speaker 1: sophomore campaigns, like they're making a big impact. It was 397 00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:12,266 Speaker 1: the first time in the Super Bowl era that there 398 00:20:12,266 --> 00:20:14,986 Speaker 1: have been at least five wide receivers taken in three 399 00:20:15,026 --> 00:20:19,106 Speaker 1: straight seasons in the first round their ballers. Now, between 400 00:20:18,626 --> 00:20:22,106 Speaker 1: twenty the average number of first round receivers was just 401 00:20:22,146 --> 00:20:24,946 Speaker 1: three point seven. So you think that the boom would 402 00:20:24,946 --> 00:20:28,346 Speaker 1: actually be you know, more physical traits for some of 403 00:20:28,386 --> 00:20:31,626 Speaker 1: these wide receivers that had improved. Let's take you through 404 00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:33,906 Speaker 1: some of the combine numbers since two thousand three. We'll 405 00:20:33,946 --> 00:20:36,266 Speaker 1: start with the forty. Nothing better than watching these dudes 406 00:20:36,306 --> 00:20:38,626 Speaker 1: around the four by the way three Q Wilham the 407 00:20:38,706 --> 00:20:42,106 Speaker 1: rookie corner. I would love to see him in a 408 00:20:42,106 --> 00:20:44,426 Speaker 1: foot race with Tyreek Hill. Oh my goodness, did you 409 00:20:44,466 --> 00:20:47,666 Speaker 1: see me? Hell end up scoring, but he tracked takes 410 00:20:47,746 --> 00:20:51,906 Speaker 1: them Hill down in five steps. He was there. Taysom 411 00:20:51,986 --> 00:20:56,226 Speaker 1: Hill had a five yard lead. I'm like what, I'm like, 412 00:20:56,306 --> 00:20:58,906 Speaker 1: that's why we focus on the fourting in the combine. 413 00:20:59,306 --> 00:21:03,586 Speaker 1: It is kid is fast. It was awesome, alright. So 414 00:21:03,746 --> 00:21:06,306 Speaker 1: getting back to the numbers here would sort fascinating is 415 00:21:06,346 --> 00:21:07,986 Speaker 1: from two thousand three to two thousand and five that 416 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:12,026 Speaker 1: average was four point five five seconds fast forward. You're 417 00:21:12,026 --> 00:21:15,426 Speaker 1: actually talking to present day about a decrease of five 418 00:21:15,506 --> 00:21:18,426 Speaker 1: hundreds of a second, which is sort of kind of 419 00:21:18,466 --> 00:21:21,386 Speaker 1: like one of those but not really. When you talk 420 00:21:21,426 --> 00:21:24,466 Speaker 1: about professional athletes, and I mean the highest of the 421 00:21:24,506 --> 00:21:28,546 Speaker 1: height that the National Football League NFL players, Okay, that's 422 00:21:28,666 --> 00:21:31,466 Speaker 1: just the the advantage that you could possibly need to 423 00:21:31,546 --> 00:21:33,306 Speaker 1: get you and your team over the hump. So yeah, 424 00:21:33,306 --> 00:21:37,066 Speaker 1: that's big. That's a big. Height has actually increased exactly 425 00:21:37,186 --> 00:21:40,106 Speaker 1: one inch from seventy two point one inches to just 426 00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:44,786 Speaker 1: over six feet seventy three point one inches, which is 427 00:21:44,786 --> 00:21:48,746 Speaker 1: six one Weights have basically remained stable at two d 428 00:21:48,906 --> 00:21:52,346 Speaker 1: and two points seven pounds. Vertical leap also stayed mostly 429 00:21:52,386 --> 00:21:55,426 Speaker 1: the same at thirty five point five inches. There's a 430 00:21:55,426 --> 00:21:57,746 Speaker 1: lot of different ways though, to be successful and rob 431 00:21:57,786 --> 00:22:00,306 Speaker 1: you play with so many dudes who just did it differently. 432 00:22:00,746 --> 00:22:04,826 Speaker 1: At the wide receiver spot. Is there specific characteristic that 433 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,546 Speaker 1: makes a wide receiver were successful in the NFL? Well, 434 00:22:07,586 --> 00:22:11,386 Speaker 1: I think the number one characteristic is to wide receivers 435 00:22:11,386 --> 00:22:14,306 Speaker 1: ability to just catch the football. That is the number one. 436 00:22:14,506 --> 00:22:16,746 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be a DV exactly, so 437 00:22:16,786 --> 00:22:18,346 Speaker 1: we can stay on the good guys side of the 438 00:22:18,386 --> 00:22:20,666 Speaker 1: football right, the offense right, and at the end of 439 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:23,906 Speaker 1: the day, that's your number one job description your wide receiver. 440 00:22:24,026 --> 00:22:26,386 Speaker 1: When the ball is in the air, your job is 441 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:28,186 Speaker 1: to be able to catch the football. And for me, 442 00:22:28,386 --> 00:22:30,906 Speaker 1: number two would be catch radius to be able to 443 00:22:30,946 --> 00:22:33,626 Speaker 1: protect the quarterback, meaning the quarterback can sit on his 444 00:22:33,706 --> 00:22:36,146 Speaker 1: back foot and understand. Yeah, I don't necessarily have to 445 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,706 Speaker 1: be the most accurate on this past but I can 446 00:22:38,706 --> 00:22:41,146 Speaker 1: throw it and know that my guys gonna have enough 447 00:22:41,186 --> 00:22:42,986 Speaker 1: catch radius to be able to pull the ball in, 448 00:22:43,346 --> 00:22:45,746 Speaker 1: catch it with his hands, and also protect the ball 449 00:22:45,786 --> 00:22:48,826 Speaker 1: from an interception. Um the ability to separate at the 450 00:22:48,826 --> 00:22:50,946 Speaker 1: top of routes. Um a guy that we use on 451 00:22:50,986 --> 00:22:53,826 Speaker 1: our air raves. Mammanuel Sayties I thought was was awesome. 452 00:22:53,826 --> 00:22:57,506 Speaker 1: Matt Is Steve Smith Senior also awesome that separating and 453 00:22:57,546 --> 00:23:02,626 Speaker 1: really that's your ability to create space from the defender. 454 00:23:02,706 --> 00:23:05,266 Speaker 1: Defenders are real hands that they like to grab and whatever, 455 00:23:05,306 --> 00:23:06,906 Speaker 1: and they have these little tricks or how they get 456 00:23:06,906 --> 00:23:08,506 Speaker 1: to cheat and all those things. We can get in 457 00:23:08,506 --> 00:23:11,306 Speaker 1: that on a whole another episode. But the ability of 458 00:23:11,346 --> 00:23:14,226 Speaker 1: a wide receiver to make a defensive back think he's 459 00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:17,266 Speaker 1: doing something opposite then what he's really doing is something 460 00:23:17,306 --> 00:23:22,426 Speaker 1: that's very important. And I don't this isn't the biggest factor. 461 00:23:22,586 --> 00:23:24,626 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing you can't teach this, 462 00:23:24,906 --> 00:23:27,866 Speaker 1: and that's just speed. That's I mean, just going out there, 463 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,026 Speaker 1: the ability to pick them up, put him down, the 464 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:32,186 Speaker 1: ability to throw the ball to it's how we kill 465 00:23:32,586 --> 00:23:35,146 Speaker 1: in the flat in his ability to make everybody miss, 466 00:23:35,186 --> 00:23:37,226 Speaker 1: run around the defense and go a d to me, 467 00:23:37,306 --> 00:23:40,186 Speaker 1: that scares defensive coordinators. Okay, so you can explain this 468 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:42,826 Speaker 1: because I don't know the answer to it. But I've 469 00:23:42,866 --> 00:23:46,506 Speaker 1: been told from other NFL dudes that even if you're 470 00:23:46,546 --> 00:23:49,146 Speaker 1: not the fastest guy, you can make up the difference 471 00:23:49,626 --> 00:23:53,346 Speaker 1: in terms of how you run around. Absolutely. I learned 472 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:56,306 Speaker 1: how to run routes when I was training in Arizona, 473 00:23:56,306 --> 00:23:57,946 Speaker 1: when I played in the National Football and that's where 474 00:23:57,946 --> 00:23:59,746 Speaker 1: I lived for the entire nine years. I was in 475 00:24:00,026 --> 00:24:02,666 Speaker 1: the league and a guy trained with was ant Kwan Bolden, 476 00:24:02,986 --> 00:24:06,586 Speaker 1: And I remember Q used always kind lead the group 477 00:24:06,666 --> 00:24:09,626 Speaker 1: when we would do I receive the drills, and I 478 00:24:09,666 --> 00:24:13,346 Speaker 1: would always wonder, like, damn, Q ain't running that fast. 479 00:24:13,466 --> 00:24:16,426 Speaker 1: It's like, cute, how fast are you? Bro? He'd be like, Man, 480 00:24:16,466 --> 00:24:18,466 Speaker 1: I mean I ran a four six. But I can 481 00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:20,826 Speaker 1: tell you now I have never ran full speed on 482 00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:24,946 Speaker 1: the football field. I said, what, You've never ran full speed? 483 00:24:25,026 --> 00:24:28,426 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, Bro, like our knees and stuff are 484 00:24:28,506 --> 00:24:32,306 Speaker 1: our tendons aren't built to like slow down this body 485 00:24:32,506 --> 00:24:35,586 Speaker 1: from going that fast. So why would you do that 486 00:24:35,746 --> 00:24:37,826 Speaker 1: so much on your body? You want to feel good, right, 487 00:24:38,106 --> 00:24:40,626 Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel good to get chase down. I'm 488 00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,666 Speaker 1: telling said, bro, it don't. It don't feel good like 489 00:24:42,706 --> 00:24:46,306 Speaker 1: getting chased down the tackle or looking slow on tape. 490 00:24:46,786 --> 00:24:50,746 Speaker 1: He said, Look, man, it's all about controlled movements, he said. 491 00:24:50,866 --> 00:24:53,466 Speaker 1: I run most of my routes at fifty. When I 492 00:24:53,506 --> 00:24:55,106 Speaker 1: get to the top of the break, I give it 493 00:24:55,146 --> 00:24:58,586 Speaker 1: sixty to separate. I might not get the full speed 494 00:24:58,706 --> 00:25:01,026 Speaker 1: unless I'm in the open space. I got the football 495 00:25:01,026 --> 00:25:03,186 Speaker 1: in my hands and I know I'm racing to the 496 00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:05,266 Speaker 1: end zone, and that that led me to think of something. 497 00:25:05,306 --> 00:25:08,106 Speaker 1: I started watching how the Great Ones ran their route 498 00:25:08,146 --> 00:25:09,906 Speaker 1: to play with a guy by the name of Isaac Bruce, 499 00:25:10,026 --> 00:25:12,706 Speaker 1: and he could always tell me, like Mike, it ain't 500 00:25:12,706 --> 00:25:14,946 Speaker 1: about wunning fast, man. You need to make him think 501 00:25:14,986 --> 00:25:17,506 Speaker 1: you're going deep by your arms pump and not necessarily 502 00:25:17,546 --> 00:25:19,306 Speaker 1: by your legs moving their fast. And so when I 503 00:25:19,386 --> 00:25:23,346 Speaker 1: noticed that, man, this isn't just a full speed thing 504 00:25:23,426 --> 00:25:26,026 Speaker 1: like I see on TV. You know, you think these 505 00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:28,306 Speaker 1: obviously was a running full speed, but they're not. To me. 506 00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:31,426 Speaker 1: What makes a great route runners the ability to control 507 00:25:31,466 --> 00:25:34,306 Speaker 1: their speed, get in and out of break smoothly, and 508 00:25:34,386 --> 00:25:36,666 Speaker 1: not take false steps. And I think you look at 509 00:25:36,706 --> 00:25:38,986 Speaker 1: a guy like Steve Smith, senior, guy that works with us, 510 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:41,546 Speaker 1: works for me on Thursday night football, he probably is 511 00:25:41,546 --> 00:25:43,186 Speaker 1: one of the best in history of doing it. Yeah, 512 00:25:43,186 --> 00:25:46,266 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating to me to hear the speed thing 513 00:25:46,266 --> 00:25:49,266 Speaker 1: because we do make a lot of forty and speed 514 00:25:49,386 --> 00:25:51,226 Speaker 1: is something that you can't teach and I'd rather have 515 00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:52,906 Speaker 1: it than not have it. But for the dudes who 516 00:25:52,946 --> 00:25:56,626 Speaker 1: maybe don't have it, like you know for three, actually 517 00:25:56,666 --> 00:25:59,506 Speaker 1: can still have a lot of success. I had asked 518 00:25:59,506 --> 00:26:02,186 Speaker 1: the question before about do you need a top end 519 00:26:02,186 --> 00:26:05,346 Speaker 1: wide receiver in order to win a championship. There's some 520 00:26:05,426 --> 00:26:09,186 Speaker 1: keynos there, and I think for recent football fans will 521 00:26:09,186 --> 00:26:12,066 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, man, like Cooper Cup. He's a dude, right, 522 00:26:12,626 --> 00:26:16,826 Speaker 1: a third round guy by the way, who's still sort 523 00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:18,346 Speaker 1: of shocked if you know his story, that he's been 524 00:26:18,386 --> 00:26:19,946 Speaker 1: able to make it the way that he has. But 525 00:26:20,066 --> 00:26:22,706 Speaker 1: we'll start with Cooper Cup. He became the first ever 526 00:26:22,986 --> 00:26:24,946 Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl after leading the league and 527 00:26:25,026 --> 00:26:29,826 Speaker 1: receiving since Jerry Rice, the goat back in now since 528 00:26:29,826 --> 00:26:32,906 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, of the forty four teams, which is 529 00:26:32,906 --> 00:26:35,746 Speaker 1: about thirty percent that played in the Super Bowl, had 530 00:26:35,786 --> 00:26:38,146 Speaker 1: a wide receiver who was in the top five and 531 00:26:38,186 --> 00:26:41,546 Speaker 1: receiving yards in the NFL that season. Only four of 532 00:26:41,626 --> 00:26:44,626 Speaker 1: one rank Marvin Harrison, Greg Jennings who was a dude, 533 00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:46,986 Speaker 1: Victor Cruz thank you very much as a Giants fam 534 00:26:47,026 --> 00:26:49,866 Speaker 1: and of course Cooper Cup. Super Bowl fifty six between 535 00:26:49,906 --> 00:26:52,346 Speaker 1: the Rams and the Bengals was the first Super Bowl 536 00:26:52,346 --> 00:26:55,706 Speaker 1: where each team had a wide receiver who was top 537 00:26:55,746 --> 00:26:58,586 Speaker 1: five in receiving yards in the NFL that season. Since 538 00:26:58,626 --> 00:27:02,746 Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty six, the last first round draft pick 539 00:27:02,786 --> 00:27:05,706 Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl. Nelson Agholor and Philip Dorse said, 540 00:27:05,946 --> 00:27:09,986 Speaker 1: neither of whom like the dude of dudes. Um, you 541 00:27:10,026 --> 00:27:11,506 Speaker 1: know it's still playing in the league, and you know 542 00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:15,706 Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, league exactly, not those dudes. 543 00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:18,866 Speaker 1: So check this out. Brown general manager at the time 544 00:27:18,946 --> 00:27:21,906 Speaker 1: was Ray Farmer. He actually downplayed the importance of having 545 00:27:21,946 --> 00:27:25,586 Speaker 1: a superstar wide receiver. He said, I would say, how 546 00:27:25,626 --> 00:27:29,226 Speaker 1: important are those guys? Name the last big time receiver 547 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:33,066 Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl? Name that last mega guy. 548 00:27:33,106 --> 00:27:36,066 Speaker 1: So keep him mind. Cooper Cup has done a he's 549 00:27:36,106 --> 00:27:38,106 Speaker 1: a mega dude. Farmer, by the way, two years after 550 00:27:38,106 --> 00:27:40,706 Speaker 1: he made those comments, not there, and he did draft 551 00:27:41,186 --> 00:27:44,106 Speaker 1: Johnny Football Johnny Manzell. Do you tell me man like, 552 00:27:44,226 --> 00:27:45,666 Speaker 1: does he have a point though? I mean, because the 553 00:27:45,746 --> 00:27:48,546 Speaker 1: numbers do sort of scream you might not need Cooper 554 00:27:48,586 --> 00:27:51,306 Speaker 1: Cup to go and win a chip. Yeah. I believe 555 00:27:51,346 --> 00:27:53,946 Speaker 1: he does have a point. I believe that you throw 556 00:27:54,066 --> 00:27:56,346 Speaker 1: to get into playoffs, but you played great defense and 557 00:27:56,386 --> 00:27:58,906 Speaker 1: run the ball to a championship. Now you can argue 558 00:27:59,146 --> 00:28:01,786 Speaker 1: about last year's Rams. You can argue about the Kansas 559 00:28:01,786 --> 00:28:04,986 Speaker 1: City Chiefs. I think in the nineteen season when they 560 00:28:04,986 --> 00:28:07,826 Speaker 1: won their Super Bowl because they did throw the football. 561 00:28:07,826 --> 00:28:10,106 Speaker 1: But I do believe that there were times in last 562 00:28:10,226 --> 00:28:12,746 Speaker 1: year's playoffs and in that Kansas City Super Bowl run 563 00:28:12,786 --> 00:28:15,386 Speaker 1: where they had to run the football and be physical. 564 00:28:15,386 --> 00:28:19,866 Speaker 1: And I think what makes Cooper Cup so different is, yeah, 565 00:28:19,906 --> 00:28:21,946 Speaker 1: he was on the Super Bowl winning team. Yes, he 566 00:28:21,946 --> 00:28:23,586 Speaker 1: he led the league, and he was the Triple Crown 567 00:28:23,626 --> 00:28:28,106 Speaker 1: runner from a receiver standpoint, But he also has the 568 00:28:28,226 --> 00:28:33,906 Speaker 1: baddest player regardless of position or side of the ball 569 00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:37,746 Speaker 1: on his team, and that's Aaron Donald. And if you 570 00:28:37,786 --> 00:28:41,386 Speaker 1: think about that Super Bowl, your lasting impressions and lasting 571 00:28:41,466 --> 00:28:44,506 Speaker 1: memories of the Super Bowl when the Rams won last 572 00:28:44,586 --> 00:28:47,786 Speaker 1: year is Aaron Donald making his plays, Aaron Donald making 573 00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:51,186 Speaker 1: the sack. And oftentimes you don't see uh big time 574 00:28:51,226 --> 00:28:54,706 Speaker 1: offense have a dominant defensive player like you saw in 575 00:28:54,906 --> 00:28:57,426 Speaker 1: and Donald. So I still believe defense wins championships. I 576 00:28:57,466 --> 00:28:59,786 Speaker 1: believe if it wasn't Faron Donald in that defense and 577 00:28:59,906 --> 00:29:03,506 Speaker 1: Von Miller, day wouldn't have won that championship. But Cooper Cup, 578 00:29:03,506 --> 00:29:06,386 Speaker 1: in particular, to me, what makes him so specialist. He 579 00:29:06,386 --> 00:29:09,706 Speaker 1: does the dirty work Yams to meet Cooper Cup is 580 00:29:09,906 --> 00:29:12,706 Speaker 1: he leaves blocks. Sometimes he is the backside cut off, 581 00:29:12,706 --> 00:29:15,786 Speaker 1: he's cutting off defensive ends. He never comes out of 582 00:29:15,786 --> 00:29:18,026 Speaker 1: the game. The guy has stamina like no other. He 583 00:29:18,106 --> 00:29:21,666 Speaker 1: runs fifty yards down the field, jogs all the way back, run. 584 00:29:22,026 --> 00:29:24,106 Speaker 1: I mean, he never comes off the field. And I 585 00:29:24,106 --> 00:29:27,506 Speaker 1: think that's what And he's with a creative play caller 586 00:29:27,506 --> 00:29:30,186 Speaker 1: and Sean McVeigh who understands how to focus on him 587 00:29:30,426 --> 00:29:32,466 Speaker 1: in the passing game and put speed around him so 588 00:29:32,706 --> 00:29:34,386 Speaker 1: he can get open. I think that's some of the 589 00:29:34,426 --> 00:29:37,106 Speaker 1: issues with the Rams offense this year. They're missing that speed. 590 00:29:37,186 --> 00:29:39,906 Speaker 1: But Cooper Cup is a little bit of a different 591 00:29:39,986 --> 00:29:42,306 Speaker 1: situation in other wide receivers. But I don't think you 592 00:29:42,346 --> 00:29:44,346 Speaker 1: need a big time number one guy to win the 593 00:29:44,386 --> 00:29:46,586 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It just be nice to have him. It 594 00:29:46,586 --> 00:29:47,946 Speaker 1: would be nice. I mean, look at when I want 595 00:29:47,946 --> 00:29:51,186 Speaker 1: to Super Bowl in Seattle. Maybe people called our obviously 596 00:29:51,306 --> 00:29:53,386 Speaker 1: was Doug Balling, Jamaic curse. People act like they didn't 597 00:29:53,386 --> 00:29:55,306 Speaker 1: know who those guys were. Now, after the Super Bowl 598 00:29:55,306 --> 00:29:58,946 Speaker 1: those guys became pretty good names, but beforehand they weren't. 599 00:29:59,026 --> 00:30:01,306 Speaker 1: You know, it's fascinating because you can make the argument, 600 00:30:01,346 --> 00:30:03,066 Speaker 1: and you are making it that you might not need 601 00:30:03,146 --> 00:30:05,346 Speaker 1: the top flight wide receiver, but at the same time 602 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:07,906 Speaker 1: I think about the dollars in this free agency pre 603 00:30:08,026 --> 00:30:11,506 Speaker 1: that have been disseminated to guys who play that position, 604 00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:14,226 Speaker 1: it's almost like the league is saying, no, no no, no, 605 00:30:14,306 --> 00:30:16,586 Speaker 1: like I need those dudes. Yeah, I think that the 606 00:30:16,666 --> 00:30:19,106 Speaker 1: league is saying. I think the younger coaches and general 607 00:30:19,106 --> 00:30:24,066 Speaker 1: managers who don't always have the historical approach or lens 608 00:30:24,346 --> 00:30:27,586 Speaker 1: when looking at these players. Again, when you look at 609 00:30:27,586 --> 00:30:30,266 Speaker 1: some of the top organizations, they understand when to go 610 00:30:30,306 --> 00:30:33,066 Speaker 1: get a hot out, They understand how to address the 611 00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:34,906 Speaker 1: offensive line, how to address the defensive line, how to 612 00:30:34,906 --> 00:30:36,746 Speaker 1: address the secondary. At the end of the day, I 613 00:30:37,026 --> 00:30:40,146 Speaker 1: just don't think you need one of those guys to 614 00:30:40,186 --> 00:30:43,306 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl because again, you passed to get 615 00:30:43,306 --> 00:30:45,306 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. You run and play great defense to 616 00:30:45,306 --> 00:30:47,346 Speaker 1: a champions to get over the hump, and maybe it's 617 00:30:47,386 --> 00:30:50,226 Speaker 1: just get me there and then we'll figure it out. 618 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:53,586 Speaker 1: Ask Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. All right, just want to 619 00:30:53,626 --> 00:30:56,866 Speaker 1: add to this conversation, just because we mentioned sort of 620 00:30:56,906 --> 00:30:59,626 Speaker 1: youth football, high school. On the college level, what we've 621 00:30:59,626 --> 00:31:03,546 Speaker 1: seen in terms of one thousand yard receivers in one 622 00:31:03,626 --> 00:31:05,226 Speaker 1: they were third. Were actually surprised me. I thought the 623 00:31:05,266 --> 00:31:08,506 Speaker 1: number would be higher one thousand yard receivers in Division 624 00:31:08,506 --> 00:31:14,466 Speaker 1: one football. In thirty nine there was thirty eight, so 625 00:31:14,666 --> 00:31:16,346 Speaker 1: kind of a marginal jump. But if you go back 626 00:31:16,386 --> 00:31:19,706 Speaker 1: to two thousand, it was twenty. So we have almost 627 00:31:19,706 --> 00:31:22,826 Speaker 1: seen double in about a twenty year period in terms 628 00:31:22,906 --> 00:31:26,546 Speaker 1: of one thousand yard receivers. Seventy five catch guys. By 629 00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:29,066 Speaker 1: the way, in two thousand they were seven, they were 630 00:31:29,106 --> 00:31:31,506 Speaker 1: thirty five. I think that also speaks to the scheme 631 00:31:31,546 --> 00:31:33,906 Speaker 1: that you were discussing as well. And I think to 632 00:31:33,946 --> 00:31:35,786 Speaker 1: take it a step further in youth football, you told 633 00:31:35,826 --> 00:31:38,426 Speaker 1: me about a selfie museum. I know about these one 634 00:31:38,466 --> 00:31:40,906 Speaker 1: handed grabs. Like in my mind as we're putting it 635 00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:45,306 Speaker 1: together here, it becomes almost like the sexy position in football. 636 00:31:45,906 --> 00:31:48,986 Speaker 1: Dare I say, like right up there with the quarterback. Yeah. 637 00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:51,266 Speaker 1: And again I think social media has a lot to 638 00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:53,266 Speaker 1: do with as I think we just started to show 639 00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:56,266 Speaker 1: with the Odell Beckham catch, uh, you know, the media 640 00:31:56,306 --> 00:31:58,946 Speaker 1: and the entire world kind of blowing that catch up 641 00:31:59,026 --> 00:32:01,506 Speaker 1: has helped as well. And again it's a very skillful catch. 642 00:32:01,546 --> 00:32:04,546 Speaker 1: But I believe that especially in all if our listeners 643 00:32:04,786 --> 00:32:06,866 Speaker 1: can just go to the you know, the urban area 644 00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:08,786 Speaker 1: in the in the places that they live and just 645 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:11,786 Speaker 1: go to a park and just watch young kids play football. 646 00:32:12,066 --> 00:32:15,866 Speaker 1: You're gonna see these catches. You're gonna see the most 647 00:32:15,946 --> 00:32:18,746 Speaker 1: dynamic player in the field, usually as the quarterback. To me, 648 00:32:18,906 --> 00:32:21,586 Speaker 1: that's where the spread system and the running quarterbacks that 649 00:32:21,866 --> 00:32:24,266 Speaker 1: it came from. It came from your football coaches just 650 00:32:24,306 --> 00:32:26,266 Speaker 1: sitting there saying, you know what, I don't really know 651 00:32:26,306 --> 00:32:28,466 Speaker 1: how to coach this particular schame, but I do know 652 00:32:28,546 --> 00:32:30,866 Speaker 1: one thing. This kid is the best kid out there. 653 00:32:30,906 --> 00:32:32,586 Speaker 1: I want to find a way to put the ball 654 00:32:32,626 --> 00:32:35,106 Speaker 1: in his hands over and over and over. And to me, 655 00:32:35,226 --> 00:32:37,946 Speaker 1: that style of calling plays, that style of coaching has 656 00:32:37,946 --> 00:32:39,786 Speaker 1: made it to the National Football League. You know that 657 00:32:39,826 --> 00:32:43,586 Speaker 1: there are generalizations that we hear about position groups in 658 00:32:43,626 --> 00:32:48,306 Speaker 1: the NFL. Um diva's is it a fair label to 659 00:32:48,346 --> 00:32:51,266 Speaker 1: put on wide receivers? I was. I would say that, 660 00:32:51,346 --> 00:32:53,786 Speaker 1: and and diva doesn't necessarily mean negative, man Like we 661 00:32:53,866 --> 00:32:56,866 Speaker 1: have a negative connotation on the word DVA necessarily mean negative, 662 00:32:56,906 --> 00:32:59,466 Speaker 1: I mean little whiny. Sometimes I wouldn't want to be 663 00:32:59,466 --> 00:33:01,506 Speaker 1: called I wouldn't want to be called it DVA either. 664 00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:03,866 Speaker 1: But let's just think about it. The success of a 665 00:33:03,866 --> 00:33:07,226 Speaker 1: wide receiver exclusively depends is on the protection of his quarterback, 666 00:33:07,306 --> 00:33:11,026 Speaker 1: the abilities of his all everything about his position depends 667 00:33:11,026 --> 00:33:13,346 Speaker 1: on somebody else. So you kind of gotta be a diva, 668 00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:15,746 Speaker 1: right You kind of gotta make sure that you're able 669 00:33:15,786 --> 00:33:18,066 Speaker 1: to create the reality you want. You're able to to 670 00:33:18,546 --> 00:33:21,186 Speaker 1: get the conditions the way that you wanted so that 671 00:33:21,226 --> 00:33:23,146 Speaker 1: you can go be the best version of yourself out 672 00:33:23,186 --> 00:33:24,826 Speaker 1: on the football field. So, yeah, they're a little bit 673 00:33:24,826 --> 00:33:27,026 Speaker 1: of a deep. Are they the most athletic guys on 674 00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:30,066 Speaker 1: football field? No? Who don't believe that are the most 675 00:33:30,146 --> 00:33:32,026 Speaker 1: I don't believe I received that the most athletic guys 676 00:33:32,066 --> 00:33:36,026 Speaker 1: on on the football field. Um, I believe honestly. Defensive 677 00:33:36,026 --> 00:33:40,626 Speaker 1: lineman on whoa to be that big, to be that athletic, 678 00:33:40,706 --> 00:33:42,826 Speaker 1: to run that fast? You're going to be three hundred 679 00:33:42,866 --> 00:33:45,546 Speaker 1: fifty pound man. Oftentimes they outweigh you by twenty and 680 00:33:45,626 --> 00:33:47,866 Speaker 1: thirty pounds. You gotta figure out a way to get 681 00:33:47,866 --> 00:33:50,226 Speaker 1: around them. You can't land on the quarterback. You gotta 682 00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:53,226 Speaker 1: make understand your strike zone. I mean so many, I 683 00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:56,346 Speaker 1: mean to me, Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Jeffrey Simmons from 684 00:33:56,346 --> 00:33:59,066 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. What these guys some of these guys 685 00:33:59,106 --> 00:34:01,906 Speaker 1: can dunk. Yeah, come on, man to me that the 686 00:34:01,986 --> 00:34:04,586 Speaker 1: level of athleticism is crazy. I've heard the smartest guys 687 00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:07,466 Speaker 1: that on the football fielder, offensive lineman. I could go 688 00:34:07,506 --> 00:34:09,466 Speaker 1: to the center, I would say, it might have been 689 00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,106 Speaker 1: a center. Who told me that it might have been 690 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,866 Speaker 1: It had to be a center, I would say, the 691 00:34:13,906 --> 00:34:17,386 Speaker 1: smartest guy quarterbacks. Obviously you have to be there as well, 692 00:34:17,386 --> 00:34:22,986 Speaker 1: but they don't fullbacks. Just just just sprinkling a little 693 00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:26,266 Speaker 1: for the for the fullbacks as well. All right, I 694 00:34:26,266 --> 00:34:27,946 Speaker 1: know I made reference to it a little bit earlier. 695 00:34:27,986 --> 00:34:29,746 Speaker 1: I am in having a blast. I hope you have 696 00:34:30,426 --> 00:34:32,546 Speaker 1: as well. I'm Rob doing this show. We love getting 697 00:34:32,586 --> 00:34:37,266 Speaker 1: those questions continue to slide into my my TM at 698 00:34:37,306 --> 00:34:40,266 Speaker 1: Mike Underscore. Yeah, you can follow um Rob at Real 699 00:34:40,626 --> 00:34:43,266 Speaker 1: Mike Rob. I don't know. Maybe maybe if you ask 700 00:34:43,346 --> 00:34:45,106 Speaker 1: them a football question, maybe I'll get back. I have 701 00:34:45,506 --> 00:34:48,186 Speaker 1: no idea, but once you can always appreciate you guys 702 00:34:48,306 --> 00:34:50,746 Speaker 1: checking us out. Tell a friend about this episode, and 703 00:34:50,746 --> 00:34:54,026 Speaker 1: of course fire off those questions. It's the evolution of 704 00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:55,826 Speaker 1: the wide receiver spot explained