WEBVTT - Lies About Black People

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<v Speaker 4>They have out of books that the whole wild world?

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<v Speaker 1>What of reread Malague Buks.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Malik's Bookshelf, bringing a world together

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<v Speaker 4>with books, culture and community. Hi, my name is Malik,

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<v Speaker 4>your host of Malik's Bookshelf, and we are excited about

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<v Speaker 4>this upcoming week. And I'm excited that I'm closely approaching

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<v Speaker 4>my one hundred episode. Now this is ninety eight ethpisode

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<v Speaker 4>and this particular episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Is Lies about Black People, a book written by doctor

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<v Speaker 5>Omi Congo that I was able to interview and do

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<v Speaker 5>a podcast all in the same day last week.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm gonna feature that conversation and it is a

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<v Speaker 4>explosive talking about his book Lies about Black People. We

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<v Speaker 4>got some solutions. We don't always want to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the problem. We do got to come up with solutions.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me tell you this, we got some exciting

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<v Speaker 4>things coming up this week. This year at the Los

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<v Speaker 4>Angeles Times Festival Books, Elite Books is featuring seventy wonderful authors.

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<v Speaker 4>Eight of saddles are April Showers, Fred Smith, Kim Johnson,

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<v Speaker 4>DG Charles Lucky, DZ h Your Minor, Nick Brooks, Kayrie,

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<v Speaker 4>Na Michael Harriet, Jess Good and Carry Parker in the Hearts,

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<v Speaker 4>Morgan Parker, Shannon Wayne, Larry Parris and Langston Charanelle and

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<v Speaker 4>Shawnnie Gibbs and Doctor Murio, Book Kate all that. Melite

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<v Speaker 4>Books Booth eight eighty and five thirty seven at the

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<v Speaker 4>Los Angeles Times Festival.

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<v Speaker 3>Books But It's not Aver.

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<v Speaker 4>Milite Books were selected again to be the Children's special

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<v Speaker 4>seller for the Children's main stage. They have graced us

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<v Speaker 4>with hosting over thirty authors that are doing book signings.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the line up.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's some of the authors you can expect signing at

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<v Speaker 4>the Children's booth six oh three by the main stage.

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<v Speaker 4>We got what Tiffany Hattis, Todd Parr, Michelle Kutson, Doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Seema Jasmine, David Shannon, you know Blimpy, Coco Millan in

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<v Speaker 4>the Game, He's there, Brady Smith, Bernie Salzburger, Allison Boss.

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<v Speaker 4>That's DJ twitch wife, she's keeping the legacy going. She

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<v Speaker 4>got a children book about dancing, So come out and

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<v Speaker 4>get a book signed. Rest in peace. DJ Twitch.

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<v Speaker 1>We also got.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Ellen O'so wrote a whole bunch of boy books

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<v Speaker 4>about Siyence. She got to come through, Muriel Surrema, Selena Young,

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<v Speaker 4>Emily Errol, Eli, Duncan Dorri Wayne shinning Hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, this is all.

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<v Speaker 4>These authors at the children's stage, gonna be signing the book,

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be performing, and Belik Books is graceton honor to

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<v Speaker 4>be hosting the book signings. So hey, We've been packing

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<v Speaker 4>all week, stocking books all week, ordering books all month

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<v Speaker 4>to get ready for the Los Angeles Times first book

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<v Speaker 4>at USC this April twenty and twenty first, And combined

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<v Speaker 4>between all the authors on the Children's stage and all

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<v Speaker 4>the authors at Leak Books Booth eight eighty and five

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<v Speaker 4>thirty seven, we got about forty five authors that we

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<v Speaker 4>are hosting doing book signings. Some of these are performing

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<v Speaker 4>on the main stage. They're doing book signing at our booths.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is a moss up undertaking. Filling up my

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<v Speaker 4>van full of books, My books are stocked up in

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<v Speaker 4>the whole journey. But this is a massive undertaking. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>You know being blessed. Don't don't don't don't ask for

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<v Speaker 4>we're working around the clock to make this a wonderfully experience.

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<v Speaker 4>So come on out to USC to the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 4>Times Festival Books April twentieth, twenty first come see all

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<v Speaker 4>the different authors out there and come by Malik Books.

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<v Speaker 1>Come through.

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<v Speaker 4>My guest today, oh Man come go wrote the book

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<v Speaker 4>lies about Black people.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what's the subtitle right here? How to combat race,

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<v Speaker 1>the stereo types and why it matters. So we give

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<v Speaker 1>it solutions. We ain't talking about the problem almost definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>We want solutions.

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<v Speaker 4>Because we're tired of di checting the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We need solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>No absolutely, I mean the book has you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three chapters and the last five or so chapters are

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<v Speaker 2>all about solutions. But you can't talk about the solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the problem? Should and understand it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we break down all the stereotypes. Black people can't swim,

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<v Speaker 2>black people are bad with money, black people can't live here,

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<v Speaker 2>black people are more likely to be criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>Media images about black people.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about all of those joints, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how to combat those stereotypes in our everyday

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<v Speaker 2>lives and in our professional lives as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your inspiration for one to write a book?

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<v Speaker 4>Was you just fat up?

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<v Speaker 2>Was you just well, you know, across the country, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>working with schools and corporations and government groups, and in

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<v Speaker 2>all of these places, everybody's asking me questions of coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of twenty twenty people everyone's talking about Black lives Matter,

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<v Speaker 2>but people were just really scratching the surface on what

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<v Speaker 2>black lives Matter means. So I wrote the book for

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<v Speaker 2>people who wanted to take it to a deeper level,

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<v Speaker 2>to really understand what it means to live in a

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<v Speaker 2>society where our lives matter go beyond the talk. So,

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite honest, I originally wrote it for like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, suburban white moms and stuff, but then I

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<v Speaker 2>superb white. But then I went online and I asked

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<v Speaker 2>for you, this is this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I went online and I said, Yo, what were the

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<v Speaker 2>lies that you were told about black people? And the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of people who responded were black people. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was when it just kind of flipped the mind in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of what this book was needed for. So even

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<v Speaker 2>though my original intent was to educate more people about us,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really more design to educate us about us as well.

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<v Speaker 6>So basically you meant in the room, yeah, very yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 6>it's sive subject.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. A lot of people it's difficult to.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk with, you know, but we have to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to excided. My doctorate on jay Z.

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<v Speaker 2>I teach a class on Jay Z at American University,

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<v Speaker 2>so I caught him a lot. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>he says is, you know, you can't heal what you

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<v Speaker 2>don't reveal, you know. So in here we're revealing the story,

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<v Speaker 2>we're revealing the history, where did it all come from.

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<v Speaker 2>I also interview people on their anti racist journey, So

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<v Speaker 2>some black folks, Asian, white folks, and Jewish folks. They're

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<v Speaker 2>all talking about lies they were told about us and

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<v Speaker 2>how they work to overcome them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's another powerful part of the book.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I also have activities that people can do

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of each chapter as well, to die,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to record their.

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<v Speaker 1>Own racist journey.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, as the MC and spoken word artists,

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<v Speaker 2>I got some of my original poetry poet, Yes, author, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>give me some more.

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<v Speaker 1>What else, professor American? You know you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>So we get it in. It's yoga Wifelate studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you can't have your health and that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be great, you gotta.

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<v Speaker 1>Have your health, mind, body and soul. Yes, sir, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta coach the bay.

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<v Speaker 3>All this book lies about black people.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta pick up all books are.

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<v Speaker 3>So, particularly Malite Books dot.

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<v Speaker 4>Com and Elite Books to locations Westfield code c more and.

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<v Speaker 2>Come through.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor o me Congo did some poetry later on that

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<v Speaker 4>evening hosted that Malik Books where I did an interview

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<v Speaker 4>with him and the discussion and the book signing. But

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to feature some of the poetry that he

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<v Speaker 4>recited that same day that evening as we conducted our

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<v Speaker 4>book signing that Malik Books Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 7>Let me tell you some history will always repeat itself

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<v Speaker 7>when you don't get it right.

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<v Speaker 5>Get around.

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<v Speaker 1>We see it being.

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<v Speaker 3>Repeated up and then they want to take it away. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>We didn't please them, and then they start changing the landscape,

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<v Speaker 7>changing the way they do things, banning more books of

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<v Speaker 7>critical race theory. Yes, and then you know that you

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<v Speaker 7>know changes are coming back and they putting us to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I read this one? He was reading my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know. I just it's what was called actually saw.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also check it out on the YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 2>when I perform, and it's called critical racist theory. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we can't teach why Native Americans had tears on

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<v Speaker 2>that trail. I guess we can't teach why Japanese Americans

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't turned in those camps in jail. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we can't teach why Jews flamed the Holocaust, came to

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<v Speaker 2>America and were forced to reverse sale. I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>can't teach you about those who had their right stall

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<v Speaker 2>that stone wall as they cried and wailed. Too many

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<v Speaker 2>in America caught up in ignorance and denial. They'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>have you forget history than learn about his tribulations and trials.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd rather not teach you the history so white folks

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel guilty. They think white kids who only see

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<v Speaker 2>themselves as evil and filthy? But where were your laws

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<v Speaker 2>when I was learning about me? When my history books

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<v Speaker 2>taught that I only came from slavery. Well, my mathematics

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<v Speaker 2>classes left out black contributions. Well, my science class has

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<v Speaker 2>left out our contributions to evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>When my class has talked about America's.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopes and intentions, but they didn't lift my hopes by teaching

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<v Speaker 2>me about black inventions. You don't think that I felt

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<v Speaker 2>guilty like the three if there's summer Man, when y'all

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<v Speaker 2>taught that I was only civilized when you brought me

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<v Speaker 2>to this land Nubia.

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<v Speaker 1>But I ain't gonna be selfish.

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<v Speaker 2>It ain't just my history dismissed because I can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a Latino, Asian, Indigenous, and Jewish. Because y'all want

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<v Speaker 2>to exclude the Chinese Exclusion Act from the books. Y'all

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about all Latitos being labeled as Chicanos

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<v Speaker 2>and crooks. And even though there are white Muslims, that

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<v Speaker 2>narrative won't work because y'all want to teach that Muslims

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<v Speaker 2>are just terrorists who murder and her You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to teach Islamic contributions to science and math. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to teach about Native Americans. So which as president past,

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe at the end of the day, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>fools arguing about something that isn't even taught in schools.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, CRT in critical race theory is culturally

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<v Speaker 2>relevant or culturally responsive teaching. Hear me for teachers teaching

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<v Speaker 2>and reaching for the truth. Your efforts I applauded for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of y'all. If you didn't want history taught,

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<v Speaker 2>why did y'all to record it? But I digress because

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<v Speaker 2>my faith in white students is stronger than yours. I

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<v Speaker 2>know they can handle full history and all of its flaws.

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<v Speaker 2>They can learn the evils of some white people because

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<v Speaker 2>those evils were defeated, and when we teach some of

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<v Speaker 2>the history, they inspired to never repeat it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that white kids age.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen to nineteen can handle sixteen nineteen, even white kids

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<v Speaker 2>in elementary and preteens, because too many students get angry

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<v Speaker 2>when they find out the truth about America's complete history

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't taught in their youth. America can only be

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<v Speaker 2>as good as this promise when we teach history in full.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's support our teachers and teaching the truth in school.

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<v Speaker 4>Woo give it up, gear it up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's was beautiful, my brother, It's very beautiful. How long,

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<v Speaker 3>we take you right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So if if less than an hour, like everybody got

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<v Speaker 2>even right on to it. I think about poems for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, but when it's time to write, it's

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<v Speaker 2>got a it's gotta flow. So I just sit down

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just glos.

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<v Speaker 3>You know yours. You know that, you know that poetry

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<v Speaker 3>is the language of God. You know you're telling them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that that poem, brother was like telling a

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<v Speaker 3>thousand years of history.

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<v Speaker 6>Certain, you know that's why poetry is the language you

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<v Speaker 6>got why because you know if I tell you go,

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<v Speaker 6>we're sit down and read.

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<v Speaker 3>A thousand years of history. The best way to tell

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<v Speaker 3>that is in the poetry.

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<v Speaker 6>I was support as simblies, And that's why we have

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<v Speaker 6>ancient books that teach thousands of years in a few papers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, it's the language of God.

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<v Speaker 8>It's only what the communicate that I'm not sitting down

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<v Speaker 8>read no million pages.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what the reasons I started doing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the spoken word of hip hop was you want to

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<v Speaker 2>reach our youth. You know, aren't gonna pick up the

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<v Speaker 2>books first. Maybe they go to them later, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>after hearing the poem or hearing the other album you

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<v Speaker 2>know to hip hop joints and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I remix rappers. You know that's your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You can rap it out swearing. You know some of

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<v Speaker 1>those you know are in this book.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I took biggies uh ten crack commandments and

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<v Speaker 2>made it. You know, the ten anti racist commandments. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>just way used to get them attracted to this information

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<v Speaker 2>so that they can be inspired to carry it on.

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<v Speaker 3>Drop those ten commandments, my brother.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rhyme goes like this, I've been in this

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<v Speaker 2>land for years, see me as an animal and racist slides.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, y'all, Emanuel, a step.

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<v Speaker 2>By step booklet for you to get time we learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to be anti racist. Let me lay out the

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<v Speaker 2>blueprint of how to do it. Want to be an

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<v Speaker 2>anti racist? This is how you pursue it. See it

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<v Speaker 2>ain't good enough to say what you ain't. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>do the work. Box that hate out the paint. Start

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<v Speaker 2>by checking yourself and while you have those fears, look

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<v Speaker 2>at who's been teaching you those racist ideas. White hate black,

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<v Speaker 2>black hate white black had black. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>being racist, we should all step back, check it off.

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<v Speaker 2>From how we police clothing and behavior to how our

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<v Speaker 2>systems based off a need for white saviors from power

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<v Speaker 2>and from power and body, the class of biology. The

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<v Speaker 2>racist roots of society are our biography. But this ain't

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<v Speaker 2>got to just be just because of how it was.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't keep that status quo just because with our

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<v Speaker 2>future on the line, I believe that it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>look into the mirror, start to change our design.

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<v Speaker 1>Runo, Runo.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to let people know the racist views you hold

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<v Speaker 2>and how you plan to let them go. Number two

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<v Speaker 2>is a good net move. Get a good reading list

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<v Speaker 2>that challenges your views.

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<v Speaker 1>Number three.

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<v Speaker 2>Never trust nobody who says they ain't racist when their

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<v Speaker 2>actions speak loudly.

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<v Speaker 1>Number four. Know you heard this before. Some of my

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<v Speaker 1>best friends are black. Don't say that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Number five. You don't want racism to stay alive. Learn

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<v Speaker 2>how it all started, then make sure that it dies.

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<v Speaker 1>Number six.

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<v Speaker 2>Post racial rhetoric forget it. Think voting for Obama stop

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<v Speaker 2>and racism forget it. Number seven, this rule is so underrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand why our neighborhoods are still segregated because money and

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<v Speaker 2>the race don't mix. Like Donald Trump, with real ethics,

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<v Speaker 2>find yourself in peach real quick. Number eight never keep

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<v Speaker 2>no hate in you, exercise it all. Exercise it as

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<v Speaker 2>all casts. Maybe let some friends go too. Number nine

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<v Speaker 2>should have been number one. To me know from day

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<v Speaker 2>one we've been in racist society. Number ten a strong

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<v Speaker 2>word called alignment. Deal would like minded people is your

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<v Speaker 2>next assignment for all of these rules, your racism starts

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<v Speaker 2>to shake up, if not maybe one hundred more years.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we wake up.

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<v Speaker 6>Come on, come on, yeah, how we see and feel

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<v Speaker 6>in ourselves. You've got to love yourself to be yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>In order to be yourself, you got to know yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>And so we gotta do better at making that transition

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<v Speaker 6>so that we can pass that torch on to.

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<v Speaker 3>The next generation.

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<v Speaker 9>So when somebody walks up to that person, that kid,

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<v Speaker 9>and say, you know that black is ugly, No.

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<v Speaker 3>It's nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Black is beautiful. Black is the essence of life. Black

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<v Speaker 6>is the root of everything. So all the colors and

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<v Speaker 6>what barrel and what color do you get?

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<v Speaker 1>So without black being.

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<v Speaker 3>First, ain't no other color.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, now that you said that, and you talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I have a whole chapter on our language

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quality. Chapter five is racial vocabulary. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things like challenge people to do in that

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<v Speaker 2>chapter is to really this is a sharp home. What

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<v Speaker 2>makes me bipoc? Is it my locks, the way I talk,

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<v Speaker 2>the way I rock my socks. What makes you white?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because you're always right? Is it the privilege

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<v Speaker 2>is assigned as a birth right? What makes you Asian?

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<v Speaker 3>Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it your soul?

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<v Speaker 2>What does a Korean have in common with the Pakistanio?

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<v Speaker 2>And why do we thankfully stop using oriental? What makes

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<v Speaker 2>you Latino or is it LATINX? Who decided which term

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<v Speaker 2>was the best? Are you Native American or are you Indian?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it just depends on the city I'm in. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you a Jew or are you Jewish? Is it about

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<v Speaker 2>your collective history? Or because people assume you're all rich.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at my dark pants and I definitely don't

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<v Speaker 2>look like that. So who decided with my brown skin

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm black? Seems pretty whack? When you call someone

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<v Speaker 2>a term, is it because you mean it? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it because you don't want to offend? And it's convenient?

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, the scriptors we use,

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<v Speaker 2>matter and offering are based on racist stereotypes that we

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<v Speaker 2>must shatter. A few years ago, you know, I stopped

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<v Speaker 2>using the term people of color, and I stopped using

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<v Speaker 2>it because it was minimizing and I talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>in the chapter. It was minimizing the experiences of everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who's put into that group people of color. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at COVID related hate crimes, was that

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<v Speaker 2>a people of color issue NO that primarily affected a

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<v Speaker 2>community the Asian AAPI community primarily? When we look at

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the anti immigrant sentiment that happened around

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, was that a people of color issued NO

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<v Speaker 2>that primarily affected a Latino community? On our police shootings,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a people of color issue. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>black issue, right, And so when we start using terms

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<v Speaker 2>this language people of color and just throw it all

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<v Speaker 2>in together, we have to be mindful that we're minimizing

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<v Speaker 2>the experiences of groups within them. So I encourage people

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<v Speaker 2>and I never use the term minority because I was

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<v Speaker 2>always saw it as a black person that I'm part

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<v Speaker 2>of a global majority. So while black and brown, so

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<v Speaker 2>why would I limit myself to a country when I

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<v Speaker 2>got a continent, I got a globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Where most of the people look like me in some way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or for one little shades of different air and there.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I'm saying using language that minifizes us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, because if you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>yourself small, they ain't gonna let people treat you small.

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<v Speaker 1>And so just that alone, we have to be mindful

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<v Speaker 1>of that. And if we do that, we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 1>to think of ourselves in a better life.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. To me, the word black is you profined.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter the way you're born at you're on this planet,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a connection, that's right. It doesn't mean the

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<v Speaker 3>complexion of your skin.

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<v Speaker 4>It means the origin of your essence, meaning that you

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<v Speaker 4>was first, meaning that when you take.

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<v Speaker 6>All the stars away, what color is dark black, meaning

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<v Speaker 6>that you was first on this planet.

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<v Speaker 9>You was the first mother for a teacher and the world,

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<v Speaker 9>and you are the mother of Silver's ain't no woman.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you say people of color, right, white is

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<v Speaker 2>also a color. But when they say people of color,

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<v Speaker 2>they put that put that's like having a white piece

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<v Speaker 2>of paper and everybody else's colored in. So even historically

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<v Speaker 2>it's not accurate because black people were here first. So

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<v Speaker 2>it still is a Eurocentric notion by putting white people first,

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<v Speaker 2>when historically it's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>They always looked at it is that white is the

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<v Speaker 3>absence of color, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>What it's about the browns, right, So it's about so

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<v Speaker 2>it's there, right, But I just think it's the side.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>We live in the world of opposes, and when when

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<v Speaker 6>white say white, they're not really referring to the color

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<v Speaker 6>of the skin.

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<v Speaker 9>They refer to the origin in essence of them being that.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a good point because one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I bring up in the book, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>In this country.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have white without black if you remove black

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<v Speaker 2>people from everything.

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<v Speaker 1>What is whiteness? Right?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, what is what is?

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<v Speaker 1>What is white food? What is white dance?

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<v Speaker 2>You got Polish dance, you got Italian dance, you got

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<v Speaker 2>Irish dancing, food and clothing, but what is white dance?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can't so in this country, like we would

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<v Speaker 2>refer to different groups at different times. We've called Asian

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<v Speaker 2>people yellow people, We've called Native American people red people,

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<v Speaker 2>we called white and we got rid of those, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>but we kept white and black.

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<v Speaker 1>We kept those because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't build whiteness without build tearing down blackness.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is part of the reason. So it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>we pay people.

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<v Speaker 2>These folks are you know, Asian American, API community, Latino community.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you got white, then you got black, you know

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<v Speaker 2>both if you're black, we got Conga leads, we got

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Jamaican, we got all of that. But people,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to look at that, right, and that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>part of the problem as well.

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<v Speaker 8>We know when James Brown said I'm black and I'm proud,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the seventies and the movement and from the

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<v Speaker 8>sixties and the seventies of consciousness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all of a sudden, African American came out. What

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<v Speaker 3>does that do that divide again?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who's African?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just the black people to live in America.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not you were fine, and it only refers to

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<v Speaker 9>black people in America. But the reality is that what

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<v Speaker 9>if you were born in America, what to.

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<v Speaker 6>Africa and had a child that's an African American, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know what Jesse Jackson, you know it's true

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<v Speaker 2>because like when Jesse Jackson started talking about need to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get out of use the terms like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>negro and things like that, one of the things he

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<v Speaker 2>said was like, you know, look at the map of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, like where's black Land?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, Like like where is it?

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<v Speaker 2>And so even with the terms like Afro American, African American,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, you can be who you

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<v Speaker 2>are here in terms of your nationality, but you have

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<v Speaker 2>to connect it to something deeper, just like an Irish

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<v Speaker 2>American would, just like an Italian American, just like a

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese American would like, you know, attach it. But when

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<v Speaker 2>people started talking about African American, Afro American or black,

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<v Speaker 2>people were fighting worth looking, you know, Smokey Robinson was like,

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<v Speaker 2>do not call me African American. He ain't never been

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<v Speaker 2>that continent. You don't want to go to the continent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I am black, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I'm not that dude. And it's like that type

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<v Speaker 2>of removing from the culture. It's it's it's a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more of a political term. And and and the

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<v Speaker 3>reality is that you know, we we have attorneys probably

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<v Speaker 3>in here, and so certain words have legal means and connotations.

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<v Speaker 7>So when you're the quote of laws, these words matter

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<v Speaker 7>because a free man.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you know, back in the day, these terms came

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<v Speaker 3>up in the legal realms. So a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>terms is like you know, what's.

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<v Speaker 6>The legal definition if you show up in court, what's

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<v Speaker 6>considered the African American? Because the law and land determines outcomes.

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<v Speaker 6>Like we were back then, was considered black, but it got.

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<v Speaker 3>A three physiveal property.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, and we gotta be mindful of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in this chapter on that I have called the white

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<v Speaker 2>priflete card. We gotta also understand this concept. The whiteness

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<v Speaker 2>is always changing because they expand whiteness. They'll they'll you

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<v Speaker 2>know now they have on the census. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fanic black, it's fanic not white. At one point, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people from certain Asian communities work considered white. They keep

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<v Speaker 2>expanding whiteness and are coming up with new terms, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by a block people of color, minormity that keep shrinking blackness.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this idea of whiteness, it's relative depending on

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<v Speaker 2>what they need to build the numbers that they want

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<v Speaker 2>to have because they're concerned about becoming the minority, which

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<v Speaker 2>has been predicted.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened in this country by twenty forty eight, twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, whoa, let's give it up with the doctor. Oh god,

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it.

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