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Speaker 4: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Malik's Bookshelf, bringing a world together
Speaker 4: with books, culture and community. Hi, my name is Malik,
Speaker 4: your host of Malik's Bookshelf, and we are excited about
Speaker 4: this upcoming week. And I'm excited that I'm closely approaching
Speaker 4: my one hundred episode. Now this is ninety eight ethpisode
Speaker 4: and this particular episode.
Speaker 5: Is Lies about Black People, a book written by doctor
Speaker 5: Omi Congo that I was able to interview and do
Speaker 5: a podcast all in the same day last week.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna feature that conversation and it is a
Speaker 4: explosive talking about his book Lies about Black People. We
Speaker 4: got some solutions. We don't always want to talk about
Speaker 4: the problem. We do got to come up with solutions.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you this, we got some exciting
Speaker 4: things coming up this week. This year at the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles Times Festival Books, Elite Books is featuring seventy wonderful authors.
Speaker 4: Eight of saddles are April Showers, Fred Smith, Kim Johnson,
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Speaker 4: Books Booth eight eighty and five thirty seven at the
Speaker 4: Los Angeles Times Festival.
Speaker 3: Books But It's not Aver.
Speaker 4: Milite Books were selected again to be the Children's special
Speaker 4: seller for the Children's main stage. They have graced us
Speaker 4: with hosting over thirty authors that are doing book signings.
Speaker 3: Here's the line up.
Speaker 4: Here's some of the authors you can expect signing at
Speaker 4: the Children's booth six oh three by the main stage.
Speaker 4: We got what Tiffany Hattis, Todd Parr, Michelle Kutson, Doctor
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Speaker 4: the Game, He's there, Brady Smith, Bernie Salzburger, Allison Boss.
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Speaker 1: We also got.
Speaker 4: Doctor Ellen O'so wrote a whole bunch of boy books
Speaker 4: about Siyence. She got to come through, Muriel Surrema, Selena Young,
Speaker 4: Emily Errol, Eli, Duncan Dorri Wayne shinning Hell.
Speaker 3: Listen, this is all.
Speaker 4: These authors at the children's stage, gonna be signing the book,
Speaker 4: gonna be performing, and Belik Books is graceton honor to
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Speaker 4: all week, stocking books all week, ordering books all month
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Speaker 4: between all the authors on the Children's stage and all
Speaker 4: the authors at Leak Books Booth eight eighty and five
Speaker 4: thirty seven, we got about forty five authors that we
Speaker 4: are hosting doing book signings. Some of these are performing
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Speaker 1: Come through.
Speaker 4: My guest today, oh Man come go wrote the book
Speaker 4: lies about Black people.
Speaker 1: Now, what's the subtitle right here? How to combat race,
Speaker 1: the stereo types and why it matters. So we give
Speaker 1: it solutions. We ain't talking about the problem almost definitely.
Speaker 1: We want solutions.
Speaker 4: Because we're tired of di checting the problem.
Speaker 1: We need solutions.
Speaker 2: No absolutely, I mean the book has you know, twenty
Speaker 2: three chapters and the last five or so chapters are
Speaker 2: all about solutions. But you can't talk about the solutions.
Speaker 2: Do you know the problem? Should and understand it. So
Speaker 2: we break down all the stereotypes. Black people can't swim,
Speaker 2: black people are bad with money, black people can't live here,
Speaker 2: black people are more likely to be criminals.
Speaker 1: Media images about black people.
Speaker 2: We talk about all of those joints, and then we
Speaker 2: talk about how to combat those stereotypes in our everyday
Speaker 2: lives and in our professional lives as well.
Speaker 1: What was your inspiration for one to write a book?
Speaker 4: Was you just fat up?
Speaker 2: Was you just well, you know, across the country, I'm
Speaker 2: working with schools and corporations and government groups, and in
Speaker 2: all of these places, everybody's asking me questions of coming
Speaker 2: out of twenty twenty people everyone's talking about Black lives Matter,
Speaker 2: but people were just really scratching the surface on what
Speaker 2: black lives Matter means. So I wrote the book for
Speaker 2: people who wanted to take it to a deeper level,
Speaker 2: to really understand what it means to live in a
Speaker 2: society where our lives matter go beyond the talk. So,
Speaker 2: to be quite honest, I originally wrote it for like,
Speaker 2: you know, suburban white moms and stuff, but then I
Speaker 2: superb white. But then I went online and I asked
Speaker 2: for you, this is this is what happened.
Speaker 1: This is what happened.
Speaker 2: I went online and I said, Yo, what were the
Speaker 2: lies that you were told about black people? And the
Speaker 2: majority of people who responded were black people. And that
Speaker 2: was when it just kind of flipped the mind in
Speaker 2: terms of what this book was needed for. So even
Speaker 2: though my original intent was to educate more people about us,
Speaker 2: it's really more design to educate us about us as well.
Speaker 6: So basically you meant in the room, yeah, very yes, absolutely,
Speaker 6: it's sive subject.
Speaker 1: That's right. A lot of people it's difficult to.
Speaker 4: Talk with, you know, but we have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: We have to excided. My doctorate on jay Z.
Speaker 2: I teach a class on Jay Z at American University,
Speaker 2: so I caught him a lot. One of the things
Speaker 2: he says is, you know, you can't heal what you
Speaker 2: don't reveal, you know. So in here we're revealing the story,
Speaker 2: we're revealing the history, where did it all come from.
Speaker 2: I also interview people on their anti racist journey, So
Speaker 2: some black folks, Asian, white folks, and Jewish folks. They're
Speaker 2: all talking about lies they were told about us and
Speaker 2: how they work to overcome them.
Speaker 1: And so that's another powerful part of the book.
Speaker 2: And then I also have activities that people can do
Speaker 2: at the end of each chapter as well, to die,
Speaker 2: you know, to record their.
Speaker 1: Own racist journey.
Speaker 2: And of course, as the MC and spoken word artists,
Speaker 2: I got some of my original poetry poet, Yes, author, Yes,
Speaker 2: give me some more.
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Speaker 2: Come through.
Speaker 4: Doctor o me Congo did some poetry later on that
Speaker 4: evening hosted that Malik Books where I did an interview
Speaker 4: with him and the discussion and the book signing. But
Speaker 4: I wanted to feature some of the poetry that he
Speaker 4: recited that same day that evening as we conducted our
Speaker 4: book signing that Malik Books Enjoy.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you some history will always repeat itself
Speaker 7: when you don't get it right.
Speaker 5: Get around.
Speaker 1: We see it being.
Speaker 3: Repeated up and then they want to take it away. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: We didn't please them, and then they start changing the landscape,
Speaker 7: changing the way they do things, banning more books of
Speaker 7: critical race theory. Yes, and then you know that you
Speaker 7: know changes are coming back and they putting us to sleep.
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 2: Can I read this one? He was reading my mind,
Speaker 2: so you know. I just it's what was called actually saw.
Speaker 2: You can also check it out on the YouTube channel
Speaker 2: when I perform, and it's called critical racist theory. I
Speaker 2: guess we can't teach why Native Americans had tears on
Speaker 2: that trail. I guess we can't teach why Japanese Americans
Speaker 2: who aren't turned in those camps in jail. I guess
Speaker 2: we can't teach why Jews flamed the Holocaust, came to
Speaker 2: America and were forced to reverse sale. I guess we
Speaker 2: can't teach you about those who had their right stall
Speaker 2: that stone wall as they cried and wailed. Too many
Speaker 2: in America caught up in ignorance and denial. They'd rather
Speaker 2: have you forget history than learn about his tribulations and trials.
Speaker 2: They'd rather not teach you the history so white folks
Speaker 2: don't feel guilty. They think white kids who only see
Speaker 2: themselves as evil and filthy? But where were your laws
Speaker 2: when I was learning about me? When my history books
Speaker 2: taught that I only came from slavery. Well, my mathematics
Speaker 2: classes left out black contributions. Well, my science class has
Speaker 2: left out our contributions to evolution.
Speaker 1: When my class has talked about America's.
Speaker 2: Hopes and intentions, but they didn't lift my hopes by teaching
Speaker 2: me about black inventions. You don't think that I felt
Speaker 2: guilty like the three if there's summer Man, when y'all
Speaker 2: taught that I was only civilized when you brought me
Speaker 2: to this land Nubia.
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna be selfish.
Speaker 2: It ain't just my history dismissed because I can talk
Speaker 2: about a Latino, Asian, Indigenous, and Jewish. Because y'all want
Speaker 2: to exclude the Chinese Exclusion Act from the books. Y'all
Speaker 2: want to talk about all Latitos being labeled as Chicanos
Speaker 2: and crooks. And even though there are white Muslims, that
Speaker 2: narrative won't work because y'all want to teach that Muslims
Speaker 2: are just terrorists who murder and her You don't want
Speaker 2: to teach Islamic contributions to science and math. You don't
Speaker 2: want to teach about Native Americans. So which as president past,
Speaker 2: But maybe at the end of the day, we're all
Speaker 2: fools arguing about something that isn't even taught in schools.
Speaker 2: But to me, CRT in critical race theory is culturally
Speaker 2: relevant or culturally responsive teaching. Hear me for teachers teaching
Speaker 2: and reaching for the truth. Your efforts I applauded for
Speaker 2: the rest of y'all. If you didn't want history taught,
Speaker 2: why did y'all to record it? But I digress because
Speaker 2: my faith in white students is stronger than yours. I
Speaker 2: know they can handle full history and all of its flaws.
Speaker 2: They can learn the evils of some white people because
Speaker 2: those evils were defeated, and when we teach some of
Speaker 2: the history, they inspired to never repeat it.
Speaker 1: I know that white kids age.
Speaker 2: Sixteen to nineteen can handle sixteen nineteen, even white kids
Speaker 2: in elementary and preteens, because too many students get angry
Speaker 2: when they find out the truth about America's complete history
Speaker 2: that wasn't taught in their youth. America can only be
Speaker 2: as good as this promise when we teach history in full.
Speaker 1: So let's support our teachers and teaching the truth in school.
Speaker 4: Woo give it up, gear it up.
Speaker 3: That's was beautiful, my brother, It's very beautiful. How long,
Speaker 3: we take you right there.
Speaker 2: So if if less than an hour, like everybody got
Speaker 2: even right on to it. I think about poems for
Speaker 2: a long time, but when it's time to write, it's
Speaker 2: got a it's gotta flow. So I just sit down
Speaker 2: and it's just glos.
Speaker 3: You know yours. You know that, you know that poetry
Speaker 3: is the language of God. You know you're telling them.
Speaker 3: You know that that poem, brother was like telling a
Speaker 3: thousand years of history.
Speaker 6: Certain, you know that's why poetry is the language you
Speaker 6: got why because you know if I tell you go,
Speaker 6: we're sit down and read.
Speaker 3: A thousand years of history. The best way to tell
Speaker 3: that is in the poetry.
Speaker 6: I was support as simblies, And that's why we have
Speaker 6: ancient books that teach thousands of years in a few papers.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's the language of God.
Speaker 8: It's only what the communicate that I'm not sitting down
Speaker 8: read no million pages.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the reasons I started doing. You know,
Speaker 2: the spoken word of hip hop was you want to
Speaker 2: reach our youth. You know, aren't gonna pick up the
Speaker 2: books first. Maybe they go to them later, you know,
Speaker 2: after hearing the poem or hearing the other album you
Speaker 2: know to hip hop joints and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I remix rappers. You know that's your kids.
Speaker 1: You can rap it out swearing. You know some of
Speaker 1: those you know are in this book.
Speaker 2: You know I took biggies uh ten crack commandments and
Speaker 2: made it. You know, the ten anti racist commandments. You know,
Speaker 2: just way used to get them attracted to this information
Speaker 2: so that they can be inspired to carry it on.
Speaker 3: Drop those ten commandments, my brother.
Speaker 2: So the rhyme goes like this, I've been in this
Speaker 2: land for years, see me as an animal and racist slides.
Speaker 1: I wrote, y'all, Emanuel, a step.
Speaker 2: By step booklet for you to get time we learn
Speaker 2: how to be anti racist. Let me lay out the
Speaker 2: blueprint of how to do it. Want to be an
Speaker 2: anti racist? This is how you pursue it. See it
Speaker 2: ain't good enough to say what you ain't. You gotta
Speaker 2: do the work. Box that hate out the paint. Start
Speaker 2: by checking yourself and while you have those fears, look
Speaker 2: at who's been teaching you those racist ideas. White hate black,
Speaker 2: black hate white black had black. When it comes to
Speaker 2: being racist, we should all step back, check it off.
Speaker 2: From how we police clothing and behavior to how our
Speaker 2: systems based off a need for white saviors from power
Speaker 2: and from power and body, the class of biology. The
Speaker 2: racist roots of society are our biography. But this ain't
Speaker 2: got to just be just because of how it was.
Speaker 2: We can't keep that status quo just because with our
Speaker 2: future on the line, I believe that it's time to
Speaker 2: look into the mirror, start to change our design.
Speaker 1: Runo, Runo.
Speaker 2: Got to let people know the racist views you hold
Speaker 2: and how you plan to let them go. Number two
Speaker 2: is a good net move. Get a good reading list
Speaker 2: that challenges your views.
Speaker 1: Number three.
Speaker 2: Never trust nobody who says they ain't racist when their
Speaker 2: actions speak loudly.
Speaker 1: Number four. Know you heard this before. Some of my
Speaker 1: best friends are black. Don't say that anymore.
Speaker 2: Number five. You don't want racism to stay alive. Learn
Speaker 2: how it all started, then make sure that it dies.
Speaker 1: Number six.
Speaker 2: Post racial rhetoric forget it. Think voting for Obama stop
Speaker 2: and racism forget it. Number seven, this rule is so underrated.
Speaker 2: Understand why our neighborhoods are still segregated because money and
Speaker 2: the race don't mix. Like Donald Trump, with real ethics,
Speaker 2: find yourself in peach real quick. Number eight never keep
Speaker 2: no hate in you, exercise it all. Exercise it as
Speaker 2: all casts. Maybe let some friends go too. Number nine
Speaker 2: should have been number one. To me know from day
Speaker 2: one we've been in racist society. Number ten a strong
Speaker 2: word called alignment. Deal would like minded people is your
Speaker 2: next assignment for all of these rules, your racism starts
Speaker 2: to shake up, if not maybe one hundred more years.
Speaker 1: Before we wake up.
Speaker 6: Come on, come on, yeah, how we see and feel
Speaker 6: in ourselves. You've got to love yourself to be yourself.
Speaker 6: In order to be yourself, you got to know yourself.
Speaker 6: And so we gotta do better at making that transition
Speaker 6: so that we can pass that torch on to.
Speaker 3: The next generation.
Speaker 9: So when somebody walks up to that person, that kid,
Speaker 9: and say, you know that black is ugly, No.
Speaker 3: It's nothing.
Speaker 6: Black is beautiful. Black is the essence of life. Black
Speaker 6: is the root of everything. So all the colors and
Speaker 6: what barrel and what color do you get?
Speaker 1: So without black being.
Speaker 3: First, ain't no other color.
Speaker 1: Now, now that you said that, and you talk about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have a whole chapter on our language
Speaker 2: and it's quality. Chapter five is racial vocabulary. And one
Speaker 2: of the things like challenge people to do in that
Speaker 2: chapter is to really this is a sharp home. What
Speaker 2: makes me bipoc? Is it my locks, the way I talk,
Speaker 2: the way I rock my socks. What makes you white?
Speaker 2: Is it because you're always right? Is it the privilege
Speaker 2: is assigned as a birth right? What makes you Asian?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Is it your soul?
Speaker 2: What does a Korean have in common with the Pakistanio?
Speaker 2: And why do we thankfully stop using oriental? What makes
Speaker 2: you Latino or is it LATINX? Who decided which term
Speaker 2: was the best? Are you Native American or are you Indian?
Speaker 2: Maybe it just depends on the city I'm in. Are
Speaker 2: you a Jew or are you Jewish? Is it about
Speaker 2: your collective history? Or because people assume you're all rich.
Speaker 2: I look at my dark pants and I definitely don't
Speaker 2: look like that. So who decided with my brown skin
Speaker 2: that I'm black? Seems pretty whack? When you call someone
Speaker 2: a term, is it because you mean it? Or is
Speaker 2: it because you don't want to offend? And it's convenient?
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the scriptors we use,
Speaker 2: matter and offering are based on racist stereotypes that we
Speaker 2: must shatter. A few years ago, you know, I stopped
Speaker 2: using the term people of color, and I stopped using
Speaker 2: it because it was minimizing and I talk about this
Speaker 2: in the chapter. It was minimizing the experiences of everybody
Speaker 2: who's put into that group people of color. For example,
Speaker 2: when we look at COVID related hate crimes, was that
Speaker 2: a people of color issue NO that primarily affected a
Speaker 2: community the Asian AAPI community primarily? When we look at
Speaker 2: a lot of the anti immigrant sentiment that happened around
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, was that a people of color issued NO
Speaker 2: that primarily affected a Latino community? On our police shootings,
Speaker 2: it's not a people of color issue. That is a
Speaker 2: black issue, right, And so when we start using terms
Speaker 2: this language people of color and just throw it all
Speaker 2: in together, we have to be mindful that we're minimizing
Speaker 2: the experiences of groups within them. So I encourage people
Speaker 2: and I never use the term minority because I was
Speaker 2: always saw it as a black person that I'm part
Speaker 2: of a global majority. So while black and brown, so
Speaker 2: why would I limit myself to a country when I
Speaker 2: got a continent, I got a globe.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Where most of the people look like me in some way,
Speaker 2: shape or for one little shades of different air and there.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying using language that minifizes us,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because if you talk about
Speaker 2: yourself small, they ain't gonna let people treat you small.
Speaker 1: And so just that alone, we have to be mindful
Speaker 1: of that. And if we do that, we're gonna start
Speaker 1: to think of ourselves in a better life.
Speaker 3: You know. To me, the word black is you profined.
Speaker 3: No matter the way you're born at you're on this planet,
Speaker 3: you have a connection, that's right. It doesn't mean the
Speaker 3: complexion of your skin.
Speaker 4: It means the origin of your essence, meaning that you
Speaker 4: was first, meaning that when you take.
Speaker 6: All the stars away, what color is dark black, meaning
Speaker 6: that you was first on this planet.
Speaker 9: You was the first mother for a teacher and the world,
Speaker 9: and you are the mother of Silver's ain't no woman.
Speaker 2: But when you say people of color, right, white is
Speaker 2: also a color. But when they say people of color,
Speaker 2: they put that put that's like having a white piece
Speaker 2: of paper and everybody else's colored in. So even historically
Speaker 2: it's not accurate because black people were here first. So
Speaker 2: it still is a Eurocentric notion by putting white people first,
Speaker 2: when historically it's not true.
Speaker 3: They always looked at it is that white is the
Speaker 3: absence of color, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: What it's about the browns, right, So it's about so
Speaker 2: it's there, right, But I just think it's the side.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We live in the world of opposes, and when when
Speaker 6: white say white, they're not really referring to the color
Speaker 6: of the skin.
Speaker 9: They refer to the origin in essence of them being that.
Speaker 1: You make a good point because one of the things
Speaker 1: that I bring up in the book, you know, it's.
Speaker 3: In this country.
Speaker 2: You can't have white without black if you remove black
Speaker 2: people from everything.
Speaker 1: What is whiteness? Right?
Speaker 9: Well, what is what is?
Speaker 1: What is white food? What is white dance?
Speaker 2: You got Polish dance, you got Italian dance, you got
Speaker 2: Irish dancing, food and clothing, but what is white dance?
Speaker 2: Like you can't so in this country, like we would
Speaker 2: refer to different groups at different times. We've called Asian
Speaker 2: people yellow people, We've called Native American people red people,
Speaker 2: we called white and we got rid of those, thankfully,
Speaker 2: but we kept white and black.
Speaker 1: We kept those because you.
Speaker 2: Can't build whiteness without build tearing down blackness.
Speaker 1: And that is part of the reason. So it's interesting,
Speaker 1: we pay people.
Speaker 2: These folks are you know, Asian American, API community, Latino community.
Speaker 2: Then you got white, then you got black, you know
Speaker 2: both if you're black, we got Conga leads, we got
Speaker 2: you know, Jamaican, we got all of that. But people,
Speaker 2: I want to look at that, right, and that becomes
Speaker 2: part of the problem as well.
Speaker 8: We know when James Brown said I'm black and I'm proud,
Speaker 8: you know, the seventies and the movement and from the
Speaker 8: sixties and the seventies of consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yes, all of a sudden, African American came out. What
Speaker 3: does that do that divide again?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's African?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: And I'm just the black people to live in America.
Speaker 9: It's not you were fine, and it only refers to
Speaker 9: black people in America. But the reality is that what
Speaker 9: if you were born in America, what to.
Speaker 6: Africa and had a child that's an African American, you know.
Speaker 2: Like you know what Jesse Jackson, you know it's true
Speaker 2: because like when Jesse Jackson started talking about need to
Speaker 2: you know, get out of use the terms like you know,
Speaker 2: negro and things like that, one of the things he
Speaker 2: said was like, you know, look at the map of
Speaker 2: the world, like where's black Land?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like like where is it?
Speaker 2: And so even with the terms like Afro American, African American,
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you can be who you
Speaker 2: are here in terms of your nationality, but you have
Speaker 2: to connect it to something deeper, just like an Irish
Speaker 2: American would, just like an Italian American, just like a
Speaker 2: Japanese American would like, you know, attach it. But when
Speaker 2: people started talking about African American, Afro American or black,
Speaker 2: people were fighting worth looking, you know, Smokey Robinson was like,
Speaker 2: do not call me African American. He ain't never been
Speaker 2: that continent. You don't want to go to the continent.
Speaker 1: It's like I am black, I.
Speaker 2: Am I'm not that dude. And it's like that type
Speaker 2: of removing from the culture. It's it's it's a problem.
Speaker 3: It's more of a political term. And and and the
Speaker 3: reality is that you know, we we have attorneys probably
Speaker 3: in here, and so certain words have legal means and connotations.
Speaker 7: So when you're the quote of laws, these words matter
Speaker 7: because a free man.
Speaker 3: Or you know, back in the day, these terms came
Speaker 3: up in the legal realms. So a lot of these
Speaker 3: terms is like you know, what's.
Speaker 6: The legal definition if you show up in court, what's
Speaker 6: considered the African American? Because the law and land determines outcomes.
Speaker 6: Like we were back then, was considered black, but it got.
Speaker 3: A three physiveal property.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and we gotta be mindful of you know,
Speaker 2: in this chapter on that I have called the white
Speaker 2: priflete card. We gotta also understand this concept. The whiteness
Speaker 2: is always changing because they expand whiteness. They'll they'll you
Speaker 2: know now they have on the census. You know, it's
Speaker 2: fanic black, it's fanic not white. At one point, you know,
Speaker 2: people from certain Asian communities work considered white. They keep
Speaker 2: expanding whiteness and are coming up with new terms, you know,
Speaker 2: by a block people of color, minormity that keep shrinking blackness.
Speaker 2: And so this idea of whiteness, it's relative depending on
Speaker 2: what they need to build the numbers that they want
Speaker 2: to have because they're concerned about becoming the minority, which
Speaker 2: has been predicted.
Speaker 1: What happened in this country by twenty forty eight, twenty five.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, whoa, let's give it up with the doctor. Oh god,
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
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