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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do. Lots of interesting things are taking a

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Speaker 1: look at this morning. First of all, Donald Trump racking

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Speaker 4: Coup de gras was the lockdown. Lockdown was the biggest

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Speaker 2: then have him on the stage and te him he's

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Speaker 2: an idiot.

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Speaker 3: You can do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people have done that before. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but if you're afraid, that says more about you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also interesting the way that originally you

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Speaker 1: said he's now coded right when Steve Bannon was oouncing

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Speaker 1: he his praise is saying, we love this guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's done interviews with Tucker Carlson and whatever. He's more

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Speaker 1: embraced in a lot of ways by right wing media

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Speaker 1: now than he is by the left. But that's That's

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is that, you know, the coding

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Speaker 1: of being a vaccine opponent has really shifted over the years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was he was like sort of in

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Speaker 1: this la liberal lefty anti vax moment, and now that

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Speaker 1: has become coded very you know, hard right wing, and

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Speaker 1: it's certainly you know, opposition of lockdowns and all of

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Speaker 1: those things, even though yeah, he does critique Trump and

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Speaker 1: Biden alike, so interesting figure in that way as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he originally is an environmental lawyer. Still, as

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Speaker 1: an environmental lawyer went after a lot of companies for

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Speaker 1: the sort of toxins that they would put into the environments.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to undermine that work that he's done,

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Speaker 1: even as obviously a disagree and I'm opposed to his

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Speaker 1: views as with regards to the vaccines. But you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, the bottom line here is you now have

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Speaker 1: in this poll, which again it's a weird universe, and

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Speaker 1: I would say probably a significant amount of his support

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Speaker 1: is just people who are like, I don't like Biden.

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Speaker 1: Here's a Kennedy name. Sounds good to me, right, But

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Speaker 1: fourteen percent in this universe of voters, and Mariam's at

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Speaker 1: fourteen percent in battleground with battleground state voters in a

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Speaker 1: different poll. So you already have two contenders who are

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Speaker 1: putting double digits on the board against Biden, and yet

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Speaker 1: the media still wants to tell you now now he's safe,

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Speaker 1: no serious contenders, etc. Listen, maybe maybe and very likely, right,

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Speaker 1: very likely that Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. But to completely invisibilize these people, to

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Speaker 1: try to shut down any opportunity for people to evaluate

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Speaker 1: their choices, to try to shut down any opportunity to

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Speaker 1: have the three of these individuals on a stage and

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Speaker 1: be able to work through the processes of democracy that again,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party claims so much to care about. I

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Speaker 1: think it's disgraceful and I think it's hypocritical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have some updates for you on the

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Speaker 1: whole debt ceilings sit situation. You will recall Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans, both in the House and the Senate,

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Speaker 1: have decided to once again use the debt ceiling as

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Speaker 1: a hostage taking mechanism to get things through that they

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Speaker 1: could not otherwise get through. We have been waiting for

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Speaker 1: McCarthy to put some details down about what exactly the

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Speaker 1: Republican Caucus is proposing, because you know, you've got more

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Speaker 1: moderate figures who represent Biden swing districts in New York

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Speaker 1: that are very uncomfortable with a lot of hard cuts,

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Speaker 1: and you have Freedom Caucus members who were, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the dissidents who really were pushing Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 1: to make some extreme deals in order to even claim

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Speaker 1: his speakership. So he's in a precarious position. The Republican Caucus,

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Speaker 1: which only has a four set majority in the House,

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Speaker 1: is in a precarious position. So yesterday McCarthy put out

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Speaker 1: a somewhat more detailed outline of their approach on the

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Speaker 1: debt ceiling, although there's still a lot of details that

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Speaker 1: continue to be left out, which is noteworthy in and

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Speaker 1: of itself. Let's put Jake Sherman's tweets up on the screen. Now.

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Speaker 1: This is how McCarthy characterized what is in this bill.

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Speaker 1: He says that his bill provides four point five trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars in savings. Sherman says, we don't have a bill, yes,

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Speaker 1: so we can't know whether that's true or not. It's

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Speaker 1: also not scored, So we're trusting the GOP's math as

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Speaker 1: to whether the amount of savings, etcetera, etcetera pre twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two spending levels, budget increase capped one percent per year,

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Speaker 1: clawback billions of dollars of unspent COVID money, repeal funding

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Speaker 1: for IRS agents, green tax credit repeal, prohibits, student loan

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Speaker 1: quote giveaway for the wealthy HR one Rains Act, which

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Speaker 1: I looked at what that was, but I'm forgetting now

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Speaker 1: work requirements for social programs and prevent executive overreach whatever

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Speaker 1: that means. Do you remember what the Rains Act is?

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Speaker 1: Or Government Loopholes Bill, Government Loopholes Bill? Okay, put the

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Speaker 1: washtpost up on the screen. This has some more of

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Speaker 1: the details. You know, the things that are targeted here.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to surprise anyone. Some of the big

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Speaker 1: cuts are to Medicare Medicaid sorry, and to food stamps

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Speaker 1: or snap. Medicare and Social Security are left off the table,

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Speaker 1: as well as any cuts to the military budget. Pentagon

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Speaker 1: cuts or originally floated those are no longer being talked

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Speaker 1: about here, and there's a significant limiting of who would

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Speaker 1: be eligible for both Medicaid and for food stamps and

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Speaker 1: increasing work requirements. The expectation is that more than ten

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Speaker 1: million people could be kicked out of the food stamp

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Speaker 1: program if these provisions are put into place. That amounts

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Speaker 1: to one in four current SNAP beneficiaries. In the case

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Speaker 1: of Medicaid, gop led states have introduced similar work mandates

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Speaker 1: in the past, and they also have seen significant drops

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Speaker 1: in enrollment, which is where the money savings would come from.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing that's really noteworthy here, Sager, is they

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Speaker 1: really take an ax to like all of the green energy,

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Speaker 1: including electric vehicles. I wonder if some of those things,

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Speaker 1: you know, the subsidies for electric vehicles. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: some of those things might be controversial in some of

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Speaker 1: these Republican districts where jobs are related to the EV industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not sure. I've never actually thought that

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Speaker 2: the base really agrees. All they have to do is

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Speaker 2: sell it not on evs necessarily, but more in terms

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Speaker 2: of spending, especially stuff like food stamps, is where they

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Speaker 2: would really most people at the very least, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't want to be seeing cuts with that program. What

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Speaker 2: they're going to be able to do rhetorically is they

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Speaker 2: can phrase this as standing up to Biden. The specifics

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Speaker 2: honestly don't matter because at the same time, like, none

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Speaker 2: of this is real.

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Speaker 3: This isn't actually.

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Speaker 1: Going to get like a fantasy.

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Speaker 2: This is what's always annoying, you know, and it's always

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Speaker 2: difficult for us to characterize. We're like, look, technically, on paper,

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Speaker 2: this is what they say they're going to do. I

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Speaker 2: also literally lived here how many times we're like, this

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Speaker 2: is the plan in which we're going to repeal Obamacare,

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Speaker 2: and then whenever it actually came to a chance, they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: none of that is actually what we're going with.

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Speaker 3: Everything is new on the table.

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Speaker 2: So to the extent that this is real in any way, like,

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Speaker 2: let's just not take it all that seriously, it's.

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Speaker 3: An opening bid.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, what does it tell us they want

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Speaker 2: to extract cuts effectively across the board in all federal

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Speaker 2: programs outside of Social Security and of Medicare. And if

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Speaker 2: they do touch programs which people rely on, especially large

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Speaker 2: constituencies that are live in red states, it will be

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Speaker 2: politically unpopular. But it will also remain politically unpopular if

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Speaker 2: you are seen as throwing people off or not working

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Speaker 2: with people specifically in the time of inflation. That's not

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Speaker 2: really one where people want. People want many people actually

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Speaker 2: agree with reigning in the national debt, with reigning and spending,

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Speaker 2: but whenever you ask them, what they really want are

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Speaker 2: cuts to things like the military budget or they want,

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Speaker 2: you know, to see like less spending on things that

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Speaker 2: don't have to do with everyday services right now? More like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like how many times have we talked here about you know,

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Speaker 2: outrageous F thirty five programs and things like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's where and where.

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Speaker 1: A lot of money is. Yeah, if you want to

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Speaker 1: be real about this, I mean generally speaking in terms

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Speaker 1: of the pulling people, Okay, do we need to lower

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Speaker 1: the deficit? Do we need to lower the debt? They're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that sounds good. When you ask them about okay, do

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Speaker 1: you want to cut this program, they're like, hell no,

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Speaker 1: you want to cut that prop? Hell no? Right. The

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Speaker 1: only thing people really want to cut is like foreign aid,

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Speaker 1: which amounts to like tiny, little, teeny sliver of the

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Speaker 1: budget and will make no difference whatsoever with regard to

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Speaker 1: the debt and the deficit. Yeah, if you are leaving

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Speaker 1: social security and Medicare and the military off the table,

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Speaker 1: then you are limiting yourself to making really draconian cuts

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Speaker 1: in you know, the small percentage of the federal budget

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Speaker 1: that is ultimately left because the bulk of the money

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Speaker 1: goes to those programs. And guess what, So Security and

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Speaker 1: Medicare are extremely popular. They're also extremely successful and very

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Speaker 1: effective at, you know, mitigating senior poverty in particular, and

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Speaker 1: Medicare obviously, you know, very successful as a healthcare program,

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Speaker 1: very popular as well, and by the way, cheaper on

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Speaker 1: a cost per per person basis than private health insurance.

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Speaker 1: We'll put that aside for another day. So, yeah, they've

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Speaker 1: kind of limited themselves in terms of what they can do.

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Speaker 1: And the important piece here too is even within the

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Speaker 1: Republican Caucus, a lot of the details here of where

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Speaker 1: and how these cuts are going to be made, they're

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Speaker 1: left up to the various committees. So he's still trying

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Speaker 1: to pull this bit of a slide of hand, where

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Speaker 1: by not having all of the details sketched own, he's

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Speaker 1: hoping to keep his own caucus together to put pressure

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Speaker 1: on the Biden White House. And you know, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know how successful that is ultimately going to be.

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Speaker 1: There's also a line of thinking that the whole debt

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Speaker 1: ceiling thing is a bit of a far citiiturade. The

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Speaker 1: only thing it's really used for is these, in my view,

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Speaker 1: unconsciable hostage shaking tactics where you're like, I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: tank the entire global economy in order to kick more

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Speaker 1: people off of healthcare and like cut food stamp benefits

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Speaker 1: for people. So there's a line of thinking that there

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Speaker 1: are some work around here that the Biden administration could deploy.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about minting the trillion dollar coin. But put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This is Nathan Tankas, one

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Speaker 1: of the people an economists who's one of the people

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Speaker 1: who's been thinking about some of these options. Put the

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Speaker 1: next hair sheet up on the screen here, So he

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Speaker 1: says Biden can steamroll Republicans on the debt ceiling and

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Speaker 1: FED chair j. Palell will not interfere. So what's key

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Speaker 1: in what he's arguing here is there's always been a

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Speaker 1: question whether it's mint the coin or one of the

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Speaker 1: other workarounds that are essentially sort of like accounting gimmicks.

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Speaker 1: Would the FED go along with it? And last we

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Speaker 1: discussed the mint the coin thing. Nathan Tankas was one

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Speaker 1: of the people that was like, well, here's what you do.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to like send the military to the FED

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Speaker 1: and like force them. Were like, I don't know about

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Speaker 1: that one. However, you feel about that? Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration doing that? No, you cannot. Well, in

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Speaker 1: this article he lays down actually Fed chair pal kind

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Speaker 1: of showed his hand a while back indicating that he

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Speaker 1: would follow along with what with the sort of workarounds

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Speaker 1: like mint the coin in his you know, own FED

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Speaker 1: chair way, and so the whole military option wouldn't be necessary.

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Speaker 1: And he's encouraging the Biden administration to use one of

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Speaker 1: these workarounds in order to just completely short circuit this

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Speaker 1: whole process and deny McCarthy and the Republicans any sort

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Speaker 1: of leverage around the debt ceiling. Now will they do that,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. At the very least, they should very

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Speaker 1: credibly threaten to do it, because that would undercut the

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Speaker 1: Republicans position here. But we all know these are like

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Speaker 1: hardcore institutionalists without a lot of spines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I just keep going back to. I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to have to see some sort of

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Speaker 2: cross I mean, look, the Biden administration is never going

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Speaker 2: to agree to cut its EV tax credits, like it's.

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Speaker 1: Just not happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exist, this.

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Speaker 1: Is your signature achievement.

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Speaker 3: I actually think they might.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, given his track record, I definitely

654
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Speaker 2: think I could see him caving on work increasing work

655
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Speaker 2: requirements for welfare and for food stamps. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's no way he's going to cave on his signature benefit.

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Speaker 2: So I get. But again I come back to picking

658
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Speaker 2: and choosing in just why I think some sort of

659
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Speaker 2: sequestration seems to be the most likely scenario is there's

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Speaker 2: no genuine agreement what many Republicans Freedom Caucus them cared

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Speaker 2: more at the time and probably still care today as

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Speaker 2: the overall dollar figure rather than you know, rather than

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Speaker 2: like which particular programs. And this is also an easy

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Speaker 2: way for them to say, well, the Biden administration is

665
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Speaker 2: forcing our hand, so we are going to have to

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Speaker 2: have some sort of defense budget cuts, which a lot

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Speaker 2: of Freedom Caucus people secretly do agree with. They just

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Speaker 2: can't say it because it goes against the donor class.

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Speaker 2: We will see, we still have several months. He's going

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Speaker 2: to blink, who can what can even pass? As you said,

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Speaker 2: important thing too, is do all the Republicans even.

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Speaker 3: Agree on this. There's not a lot of evidence for that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Nancy Mace came out and said that she

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Speaker 2: wouldn't vote for it.

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Speaker 3: That's one. You only need a couple more. You're dead out.

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Speaker 3: What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Right? Well, and that's what I was trying to say

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Speaker 1: about the eedy tax credits is, you know, the electric

679
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Speaker 1: vehicle industry, in the auto industry in general, the significant

680
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Speaker 1: part of the American economy, and a lot of these

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Speaker 1: some of these congress people are going to represent districts

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Speaker 1: where the EV industry is really important to them in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, jobs and future economic growth. So

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Speaker 1: are they going to be cool with cutting out all

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Speaker 1: of those benefits because that's one part where they really

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Speaker 1: take an ax to every green energy credit, but in

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Speaker 1: particular the EV subsidies that make those cars more affordable

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Speaker 1: for consumers to buy, you know, best case scenario. So

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Speaker 1: that could be an issue. Last time we covered this

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, we're talking about how the New York Republicans

691
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Speaker 1: are very uncomfortable with the food stamp cuts. Are they

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Speaker 1: going to go along with, you know, with one in

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Speaker 1: four recipients being kicked out in the program Medicaid obviously, also,

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Speaker 1: you know successful and popular. Is that going to be

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Speaker 1: okay with people? And then there's all sorts of things

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Speaker 1: that are not the top lines, that are these little

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Speaker 1: individual you know, programs that you rarely hear about that

698
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Speaker 1: are important to say West Virginia, are important to other

699
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Speaker 1: places around the country. And because they've taken Medicare, social Security,

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Speaker 1: and the military off the table, all of that stuff

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Speaker 1: is going to have to get cut. So I think

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Speaker 1: the White House's strategy is the right one so far,

703
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Speaker 1: which is just to say nothing. Say basically, send me

704
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Speaker 1: a clean debt ceiling. That's it. End a story, and

705
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Speaker 1: watch the Republicans try to work this out among themselves

706
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Speaker 1: and see if they can even get to the finish

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Speaker 1: line with their own debt ceiling. Bill I saw Biden

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Speaker 1: had some quote yesterday that was like, they're trying to

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Speaker 1: get me to agree to all kind of wacko stuff

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Speaker 1: in order to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think wacko notions he said, is that a turn

712
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Speaker 2: of race particularly articulate, He.

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Speaker 1: Got his point across. So anyway, I think the White

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Speaker 1: House strategy is more or less day silent and see

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Speaker 1: if the Republicans can figure this out with fair confidence

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Speaker 1: that they probably won't be able.

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Speaker 2: That's the correct one. Also, there's a reason that nobody

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Speaker 2: in the Senate has even said a word about this.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate test is, is Canny pass it? If he

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Speaker 2: passes it? Okay, Now, you're an actual serious negotiating partner.

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Speaker 2: If you're not, well, then we're just going to continue

722
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Speaker 2: to laugh at you. So all I stay tuned. We'll

723
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Speaker 2: see how it works out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, it was House Republicans are threatening

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Speaker 1: to default on the debt unless I agree to all

726
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Speaker 1: this wacko nonsense nonsense. That was the quote. That's the latest.

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Speaker 1: Serle I asked, Okay, we've got a couple of stories

728
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Speaker 1: with regard to the Supreme Court that we wanted to

729
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Speaker 1: bring to you this morning, both of which are really significant.

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Speaker 1: So we were actually waiting for a decision from the

731
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court with regard to that abortion pill ruling. You

732
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Speaker 1: had two contradictory rulings. You had a Texas judge that

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Speaker 1: said the abortion pill, which is now used for more

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Speaker 1: than fifty percent of abortions nationwide, that it should be banned,

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Speaker 1: not only in states where abortion is banned but in

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Speaker 1: all states, so California and Texas alike. You also had

737
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Speaker 1: a judge from Washington State that said the status quo

738
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Speaker 1: with regard to this pill should remain in place. So

739
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Speaker 1: you got conflict here, and that made it almost guaranteed

740
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Speaker 1: that this thing was going to head up to the

741
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. They had set a deadline for themselves of

742
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Speaker 1: last night at midnight to make this decision. But what happened.

743
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Speaker 1: They decided to extend that deadline, go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Supreme Court on Wednesday extended

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Speaker 1: for two days a pause on a lower court ruling

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Speaker 1: that it sought to limit access to the abortion pill

747
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Speaker 1: myf of pristone, ensuring that the drug would continue to

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Speaker 1: remain widely available for now. In a brief order, Justice

749
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Speaker 1: Samuel Alito announced that the pause would lapse on Friday

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Speaker 1: now at midnight, giving the Court more time to consider

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Speaker 1: the case, though it could act before then. And they

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Speaker 1: kind of read the tea leaves here and say the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Court did not meet that earlier deadline

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Speaker 1: suggest there might be disagreement among the justices in their

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Speaker 1: first major case about abortion access since the conservative majority

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Speaker 1: in June upended the constitutional right to an abortion. It

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Speaker 1: could also indicate there might be a descent in the case.

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Speaker 1: Could also indicate none of that. I mean, it's very

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Speaker 1: hard to read into these things, but you know, I

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Speaker 1: did know you're kicking it to Friday. That's like Friday

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Speaker 1: news dump, right and midnight plastic timing. If you're trying

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Speaker 1: to bury something, you don't want to get a lot

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Speaker 1: of press around. And you know the fact that it's

764
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Speaker 1: taking a while for them to work through this, that

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Speaker 1: could indicate that there is real disagreement between some of

766
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Speaker 1: the more liberal justices and some of the more conservative

767
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Speaker 1: justices and that this is a difficult one for them

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Speaker 1: to make a decision on. One thing that's noteworthy here,

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Speaker 1: I think as well, is in the Dobbs decision, which

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Speaker 1: overturned Row versus Wide. They really made a big show

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Speaker 1: of saying, like, Okay, this is great. Now the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is out of the abortion We're going to leave

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Speaker 1: it to the states, and we're going to let them

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Speaker 1: do what they want to do in accordance with their

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Speaker 1: democratic process, et cetera. You know, if they back this

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Speaker 1: Texas judge who is saying we want to ban this

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Speaker 1: pill for every state across the entire country. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: not exactly leaving it up to the states, now, is it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 2: I also think that the reason why this is also

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Speaker 2: outside of it is because it focuses on FDA procedure

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Speaker 2: and whether it has been valid for what is it, Yes,

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Speaker 2: eighteen years, twenty three twenty three years, that's right, twenty

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Speaker 2: three years. So effectively, I mean the judges, the judges

785
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Speaker 2: ruling in the case in Texas. What he said that

786
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Speaker 2: these people who they challenged the approval of the pill

787
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Speaker 2: more than two decades ago. So if I had to guess, Crystal,

788
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Speaker 2: a lot of this is going to focus Unfortunately, because

789
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Speaker 2: this is how the law works, is not really going

790
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Speaker 2: to focus on the merits of what we're talking about

791
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Speaker 2: in your popularity. They're going to focus on the process

792
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Speaker 2: of approval and appeals. And as I understand it, the

793
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Speaker 2: way that the Texas judge had issued the order is

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Speaker 2: he had said that the original approval itself was wrong.

795
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Speaker 2: Whereas I think that the court is going to focus

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Speaker 2: both maybe on that narrow legal question, but also on

797
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Speaker 2: the overall question of the validity of the overall approval

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Speaker 2: of the legal process through which that all happened.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So in terms of what they actually put out

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Speaker 1: as their justification for their decision, no doubt that's what

801
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Speaker 1: it's going to focus on. In terms of their actual

802
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Speaker 1: thinking behind the scenes, they will certainly be weighing the

803
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Speaker 1: politics of it, the public perception and the popularity of

804
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Speaker 1: this pill, and all of those sorts of things. But

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct to point out that if they do

806
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Speaker 1: decide to agree with this Texas judge who says that

807
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Speaker 1: it should be ban nationwide, that is an extraordinary new precedent,

808
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Speaker 1: which would basically say the Supreme Court now has the

809
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Speaker 1: decision sort of above and beyond the FDA to decide

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Speaker 1: what sort of treatments are popular, and especially since this

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Speaker 1: has been in use for decades. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I went through this in the monologue I did

813
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Speaker 1: about it, the science around whether or not this pill

814
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Speaker 1: is safe is really not controversial. There were like one

815
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Speaker 1: hundred and one studies done on it, hundreds of thousands

816
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Speaker 1: of women who took this pill. There was one death

817
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Speaker 1: in all of those hundreds of thousands that had anything

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Speaker 1: to do with it, and it was related to an infection.

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Speaker 1: With regard to the abortion, it is as safe as

820
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Speaker 1: like aspirin. So what the judge in Texas ruled is

821
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Speaker 1: that because this is not like a fun thing to

822
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Speaker 1: go through, you're basically forcing a miscarriage. And since women

823
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Speaker 1: went through discomfort while they were going through this process,

824
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Speaker 1: that's what he chalked up to it. It's not really

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Speaker 1: as safe as the FDA is ultimately saying. So this

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Speaker 1: would really open up all sorts of potential avenues for

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Speaker 1: challenging other drugs that have been authorized by the FDA

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Speaker 1: and putting that in the hands of these unelected judges

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Speaker 1: instead of the representatives that you know. Listen, we've got

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Speaker 1: our issues with the FDA. I'm not saying that they're

831
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Speaker 1: a perfect organization whatsoever, but there's at least a democratic

832
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Speaker 1: process with regard to that's the agency that is supposed

833
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Speaker 1: to sort through the evidence, and that we have some

834
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Speaker 1: sort of transparency into how they're making these decisions.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that was actually going to be Look, I

836
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Speaker 2: want I hate the FDA. I think we should burn

837
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Speaker 2: much of it to the ground and completely revamp the

838
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Speaker 2: way that we approve drugs and all of that. But

839
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Speaker 2: I want a more democratic process. Yes, I don't actually

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Speaker 2: want to go I don't trust these judges as much

841
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Speaker 2: I trust as judges as much as I trust the FDA,

842
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: which is I don't trust period. Really, what we need

843
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: is more actual democratic, small d control and transparencies into

844
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Speaker 2: the way that the drug companies, the FDA have a

845
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Speaker 2: revolving door, the types of studies that they have, the

846
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Speaker 2: scientific journals, and this entire industrial complex that exists outside

847
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: of our plane view, where if we got real pictures

848
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Speaker 2: into some of this data.

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Speaker 3: And this isn't about just the abortion pill.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about all drugs and all vaccines too, by

851
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Speaker 2: the way, which is the actual data needs to be

852
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: made very much more available to people for independent analysis

853
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Speaker 2: pre approval. But that's very separate, I think from the

854
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Speaker 2: abortion pill question, which also, as you said, you know,

855
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Speaker 2: we do have decades now of people who are using it.

856
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Speaker 2: So in terms of and this isn't even about how

857
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Speaker 2: you morally feel about the issue, we're literally talking about

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Speaker 2: whether they improperbly circumvented their approval process by discounting adverse

859
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Speaker 2: reaction to the drug. Like we're not talking about whether

860
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Speaker 2: it's murder, and like the anti abortion groups are not

861
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Speaker 2: bringing the case on those grounds, And I don't think

862
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Speaker 2: people understand that they think this is like a religious ruling.

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Speaker 2: I'm like technical in the way that it was made.

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Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that as well said, in terms of how the

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Speaker 1: public feels about this, you will not be surprised to

867
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Speaker 1: learn that roughly two and three go ahead and put

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00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: this up on the screen from the Hill. Roughly two

869
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: and three respondents in a new poll said that the

870
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: abortion drug mif of pristone should remain available in states

871
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: where abortion is legal, following that Texas federal judge's decision

872
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: to block the pill nationwide earlier this month. This was

873
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: a CBS News poll was released just in the past

874
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: week found that sixty seven percent said it should remain

875
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: available in those states where abortion is legal, only thirty

876
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: three percent said it should not. There is a partisan

877
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: split on this issue, but you know, even among Republicans,

878
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: they're basically split fifty to fifty. You've got forty six percent,

879
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: forty six percent saying it should be available, fifty four

880
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: percent saying it should not be available. So there's a

881
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: little bit of a tilt towards the Texas judges ruling

882
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: with regard to the Republican party. Close to fifty to

883
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: fifty terms of Democrats and Independence is ain't close at all.

884
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Eighty four percent of Democrats and seventy two percent of

885
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Independence say it should remain available. And that in a nutshell,

886
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: is the issue that Republicans have with regard to all

887
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: facets of abortion and the current landscape, which is that

888
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: even within their own base, their own base is not

889
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: all on board with like the level of extremism that

890
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: is represented in this ruling, and that's represented in some

891
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: of the laws that are being passed passed in states

892
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: and certainly which would be represented by a nationwide abortion ban,

893
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: which is being pushed by plenty of Republicans, including you know,

894
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: potential presidential candidate Mike Pence. They are not only is

895
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: their whole base not really on board with it, but

896
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: Independence and certainly Democrats, but Independence being the key group here,

897
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: they are not on board with it at all either.

898
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: Every persuadable voter is effectively on the other side of

899
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: this issue from Republicans, and that's why you see this

900
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: and it's very motivating too. That's the sort of deadly

901
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: combo here is it's unpopular and people are highly motivated

902
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: by it, which is why we've seen a lot of

903
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the election results that we've seen in recent months and years.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

905
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Speaker 2: And it also relates very much to our next story,

906
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Speaker 2: which we will not drop, about the judges and how

907
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: they get there in the first place.

908
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, so we have been covering Justice Thomas and

909
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: the way that he has received literally millions of dollars

910
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: in gifts and trips and feti and whatever from this

911
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: billionaire named Harlan Crowe who also and this one was

912
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: perhaps the most explosive, bought Clarence Thomas's mother's house. This

913
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: was his childhood home. While his mother is still living

914
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: there too. By the way, she's living there rent free

915
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: courtesy of this billionaire. And none of this was disclosed.

916
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Speaker 1: And this is not a close call in terms of disclosure.

917
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Speaker 1: This is very clear cut. If you have a real

918
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Speaker 1: estate transaction over one thousand dollars, you are supposed to

919
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: report it. He did not do that. When you pile

920
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: that on top of there have been previous issues in

921
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Speaker 1: the past, not disclosing reimbursements for trips, not disclosing his

922
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Speaker 1: wife's employment, you know, which was both significant because it

923
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: was ideological and because she was earning significant salaries from

924
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: that employment. He's had to revise his financial disclosure over

925
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: and over again, and never because it was like, oh

926
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: my bad, I found something that should have been in there.

927
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Speaker 1: It's all under pressure once he gets caught, which I

928
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: think is also really noteworthy. So there was a thought of, Okay,

929
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: we're going to investigate this guy. But Democrats are actually

930
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: really limited in what they can do. Why because Diane

931
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: Feinstein sits on the Judiciary Committee and she has not

932
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: been present at work for quite a while now. Not

933
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: only that, but you know, her original idea it was like, oh,

934
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Speaker 1: you could just replace me on that committee. I'm not

935
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: going to resign, of course, because why would she. She's

936
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: doing such a bang up job here. But you know,

937
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: you guys can replace me on the committee. Well, unfortunately,

938
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: have to get the Republicans to agree to that, and

939
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: lo and behold put this up on the screen. They

940
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: are not going to allow that to happen, because why

941
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: would they. I mean, honestly, why would they. They don't

942
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: want these judges to be confirmed through the Judiciary Committee.

943
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: They don't want them to be passed through the Judiciary Committee.

944
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: They don't want Clarence Thomas to be investigated, So why

945
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: would they give the Democrats an assist? The headline here

946
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: from PBS News our Republicans block temporary replacement for Senator

947
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: Feinstein on the Judiciary Committee. South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham,

948
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: who's the top Republican on that committee, objected to a

949
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: resolution offered by Chuck Schumer that would have allowed another

950
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: senator to take Feinstein's place on the panel while the

951
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: Democrat recuperates from a case of shingles. So that is

952
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: the lay of the land right now. Republicans certainly not

953
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: going to cooperate. You have this vacancy on the Judiciary

954
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: Committee and is really hamstring Democrats' ability to get anything.

955
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: Done right, and yet the entire party and institutional power

956
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: structure is defending her, including one Karijian Pierre from the

957
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: White House.

958
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: Take a listen.

959
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: This is a decision for her to make when it

960
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: comes to the future, her future.

961
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Speaker 7: That is something that she gets to make and should

962
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Speaker 7: be allowed to do that.

963
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know it was her decision to make.

964
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Speaker 2: That's true if you're in, you know, like a private job.

965
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: It's not true when you're in a public job and

966
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: you're eighty nine years old. You're not showing up to work,

967
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: You're holding up the process. You're an active thorn in

968
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: the side of ongoing efforts that are vitally important, allegedly

969
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: to the Democratic Party.

970
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: We're at large, So what's happening here?

971
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: It's like, why do we all just pretend that this

972
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: is all on her and we're trying to be nice?

973
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: You know. Somebody even said the worst defense I saw was, well,

974
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: sometimes we have colleagues that have been gone for a

975
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: year and we didn't kick them out. I'm like, yeah,

976
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: why not? That's one sixth of your whole job, and

977
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: like that's crazy.

978
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

979
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Speaker 1: Well, and I mean this is an extraorinary situation too,

980
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: because you're like, is she going to be able to

981
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: come back at all? We don't know, right, I Mean,

982
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: that's that's the question, is do we know if she'll

983
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: even be able to return to do the job whatsoever.

984
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: The other thing I can't help but think of listening

985
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: to Kreeane Jean Pierre there is can you imagine the

986
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Republicans allowing something like this to happen and hamstring their

987
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: ability to push judges through You think Mitch McConnell would

988
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: allow anything to get in his way of getting his

989
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: judges on the bench. Not a chance in hell. But

990
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats are so weak with this stuff, and so oh,

991
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about these individual politicians like narcissistic

992
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: personal journey and then I want to hurt this lady's

993
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: feelings and putting that above the needs and interests of

994
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: their own base and by the way, the whole country.

995
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: When you talk about holding a justice to account and

996
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: launching an investigation that is critical to root out any

997
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: sort of corrupt dealings that may have gone undiscovered thus far,

998
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: to give you the details on that part, put this

999
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen here in terms of

1000
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: why Feinstein's absence is a problem in terms of any

1001
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: sort of Clarence Thomas invest litigation. So Democratic Aids says,

1002
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: the Judiciary Committee cannot issue a subpoena as part of

1003
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: a Clarence Thomas inquiry that would require a majority on

1004
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: the panel, and Democrats do not have it without her,

1005
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: so that option is out of the question. So they

1006
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: are talking about launching some sort of an inquiry, but

1007
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: in terms of actually issuing a subpoena to get Justice

1008
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Thomas or anyone else for that Hartland Crawl or anyone else,

1009
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: but for that matter, to testify, you need Diane Feinstein, right, So,

1010
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: how much, how effective, and how much teeth is your

1011
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: little inquiry going to have if you can't even compel

1012
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: people to come and testify to what happened and what

1013
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: they know about this. So it's a real issue here.

1014
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just such a joke all the way around.

1015
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: And actually you found this crystal. Even the media is

1016
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: beginning to report about how quote countless countless Democratic senators

1017
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: actually agreed. This comes from Representative Dean Phillips of Minnesota,

1018
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: who is a Democrat, speaking on NBA News last night.

1019
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1020
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 8: But this is not about us. This is about our country,

1021
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 8: and we have a crisis of honesty in Congress. I

1022
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 8: think that's fair to say, and I'm tired of serving

1023
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 8: with people who say one thing privately and refuse to

1024
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 8: say the same thing publicly. If you took a survey

1025
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 8: of those in the Congress, both the House and Senate

1026
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 8: on this subject, I know what the results would be,

1027
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 8: and my colleagues know. But we have a culture of

1028
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 8: protecting ourselves at the expense of the country.

1029
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: In the Congress. Senators just to be clear, Congressman.

1030
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 8: Countless, absolutely, yes, absolutely, Okay, are.

1031
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: You prepared to name any of them here?

1032
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 8: No, I'm not going to hurde other people. They know

1033
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 8: who they are.

1034
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 9: You know that.

1035
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 8: My colleague Grocana, member of the California delegation, went first.

1036
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 8: I wasn't going to do this first, even though I

1037
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 8: felt this for some time. And again, this goes to

1038
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 8: a deeper problem, Kristen about members of Congress being honest.

1039
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: Culture of protecting ourselves at the expense of the country,

1040
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: well said, and yeah, behind the scenes, every one of them,

1041
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: including Nancy Pelosi, who's out there smearing Rokana and anyone

1042
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: else's sexist for daring to question whether Diane Feinstein should

1043
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: still be serving in this Senate seat. All of them

1044
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: want her to step down. They just don't want to

1045
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: say it publicly. So yeah, I mean that's what connorson

1046
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Conna told us when he was here. He was like, Yeah,

1047
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they're all like, thank you, we agree.

1048
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we'll come out and say it. Come

1049
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: out and say it. There's one way that you could

1050
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: change the dynamics here if you had overwhelming pressure from

1051
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: the Democratic Caucus. There is a chance she would actually

1052
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: step down, but instead they're all too cowardly.

1053
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: You're totally right. It's a complete disgrace, this entire situation.

1054
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: It's one of those clear situations where everybody knows what's

1055
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: going on and nobody's saying it. And that is what

1056
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: makes Americans feel crazy. Yeah, how different and special that

1057
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: these people apparently are when they're supposed to be representing us.

1058
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: There's just a bunch of liars too, and that's that's

1059
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: it is what we're disgusting. This cover up has been

1060
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: going on for years now at this point, all right,

1061
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover something that's unfolding. An IOA was

1062
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: part of actually kind of a trend of rolling back

1063
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: child labor law regulations, and I think Iowa is the

1064
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: state that has now passed the most aggressive rollback of

1065
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: child labor regulation. Let's put this up on the screen.

1066
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: More Perfect Union did a deep dive into this, including

1067
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: a video that I recommend you all check out, which

1068
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: tracks the roots of where this rollback came from. In surprise, surprise,

1069
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot of business interests, including the National Restaurant Association,

1070
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot of locally powerful business interests in the state

1071
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: as well, say the say breaking. The Iowa Senate passed

1072
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 1: a child labor law before dawn today. The bill lets

1073
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Speaker 1: fourteen year olds work six hour night shifts, fifteen year

1074
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: olds work on assembly lines, and sixteen and seventeen year

1075
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: olds serve alcohol. The Senate went through the night and

1076
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: voted on child labor at four fifty two am. I

1077
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: think it's important to note a couple of things here. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, because you have a relatively tight labor market,

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Speaker 1: that's why all of these business interests have suddenly become

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Speaker 1: like obsessively focused in rolling back child labor protections so

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00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: that they can keep paying the low wages they become

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00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: accustomed to paying, and not increase wages whatsoever to you know,

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: try to attract actual adults who should be working in

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00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: some of these very dangerous jobs. Right. It's also important

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00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: to note I always minimum wages still seven to twenty

1086
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: five an hour. So if you can't attract the workers

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: you need for your business without hiring a fourteen year

1088
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: old to work the overnight shift, maybe you should try

1089
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: increasing your wages and see what happens. Then. Child labor

1090
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: law violations have been up thirty seven percent since the pandemic.

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00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: So even without these rollbacks, companies are taking upon themselves

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00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: to violate child labor law or look the other way

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00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: at the very least. And so there's been a huge

1094
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: spike in companies getting caught employing kids, including migrant kids,

1095
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: by the way, exploiting the fact that they're in a

1096
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: vulnerable situation. There's a big New York Times expose about that.

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: So it's a very disturbing direction that these states are

1098
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: going in, something that honestly, I mean, is sort of

1099
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: shocking to see how far they're willing to go. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I had summer jobs when I was fifteen years old

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00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: as well, you know, but they weren't working in like

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00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: a meat packing plant cleaning bone saws, or an assembly

1103
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: line or construction sites. That's another thing they want to

1104
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: open up to younger and younger kids. Was like lifeguarding

1105
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: and working at a like little fishing tackle store, right exactly.

1106
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: That was the sort of thing that I was doing

1107
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: over the summer when I was fifteen years old, not

1108
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: like working in a meat packing plant, which no fourteen

1109
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: or fifteen year old has a business store.

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00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we had parsed and say that like

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00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: if it involves dangerous work, specifically overnight, then I don't

1112
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: think that that's really anything that we should know. But

1113
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: the one you know, you and I were talking about

1114
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: this yesterday, like sixteen seventeen year old serving alcohol, it's

1115
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: like whatever, you know, especially the bill I even says

1116
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: it says that you can if they could do it

1117
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: with the written permission of a parent or guardian. That's

1118
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: good work in many cases, like especially if you're most

1119
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: of the time you wouldn't even be serving as a bartender,

1120
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: assuming you'd be serving as like a bar back and

1121
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: then participating in a pool tips, so you know, the

1122
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: wages and the money you can even get from that

1123
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: would actually be kind of decent. And I do think

1124
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 2: this should probably be available to sixteen and seventeen year olds.

1125
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: But I think the issue is.

1126
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 2: That the over like the animus behind the bill is

1127
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: about trying to circumvent wages for adults, correct, And that's

1128
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: the problem, which is that they are basically trying to

1129
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: do a backdoor way to pay people even less and

1130
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: open up the labor pool in an even worse case.

1131
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, we're not even just talking about like illegal immigrants.

1132
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: We're talking about straight up children, and like, that's where

1133
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: I think some people should have the objection here, which

1134
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: is we shouldn't be there's one thing to want to

1135
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: care for kids and want them to do well and

1136
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: give them access to job, which I do agree with.

1137
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: Even in construction, you knows if you're not working as position.

1138
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: Like, I think that's fine.

1139
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 2: Construction is period, it depends, It depends on the job

1140
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: that you're doing. My point is that giving an apprenticeship

1141
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: and all that is one thing. Trying to game wage law, though,

1142
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: is actually a whole other one.

1143
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: To me, there are two pieces that are really important here.

1144
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: Number One, the type of dangerous jobs that they want

1145
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: to open up to fourteen and fifteen year olds, to me,

1146
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane. Number Two, the fact that they want

1147
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: to increase the number of hours that they can work

1148
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: per week. And we're not talking about just like during

1149
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: the summer. We're talking about during the school year. And

1150
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of research about how anything over basically

1151
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: like twenty hours a week really starts to be very

1152
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: detrimental to kids' grades, ability to focus, ability to get

1153
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: the work done in terms of their school work, which

1154
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: is obviously the most critical thing that you should be,

1155
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with and focusing on setting yourself up

1156
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: for the future when you're fourteen and fifteen years old.

1157
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: And then the other piece is, you know, allowing them

1158
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: to work later at night. Again that has a major

1159
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: impact on their ability to like focus and do what

1160
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: they need to do during the day at school. So

1161
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: those are the pieces that are to me unconscionable. I

1162
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of tend to agree with you on the sixteen

1163
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: and seventeen year olds serving alcohol. I do want to

1164
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: give the other side of that though, to play Devil's advocate,

1165
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: which is like, Okay, well this is going to put

1166
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: like sixteen year olds in bars with a bunch of intoxicated.

1167
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: Adults, eighteen year olds in bars with intoxicated adults.

1168
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: It's a difference between sixteen and eighteen though. But yeah,

1169
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I kind of tend to agree with

1170
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: you on that one. Maybe I'd like to see some

1171
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: more restrictions about Like I wouldn't want them serving as

1172
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: like a bartender, right, so maybe put some more guardrails

1173
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: around that one. But in terms of assembly lines, meat

1174
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: packing plants, construction, allowing them into these very dangerous jobs

1175
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: long hours during the school week. And this again is

1176
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: not about the interests of these children or their parents

1177
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: or anybody other than the corporate interests who want to

1178
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: keep late wages as low as possible. And let me

1179
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: that's why I pulled this statistic, which I think is

1180
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: important context and backdrop here. Put this next piece up

1181
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: on the screen, which is that we actually had just now,

1182
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: median inflation adjusted weekly earnings of full time wage and

1183
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: salary workers were up in the first quarter of twenty

1184
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: twenty three, per the latest report, for the first time

1185
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: in two years, real wage growth has exited negative territory.

1186
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: So to translate that from kind of econ speak here,

1187
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: this is the first time, even when accounting for inflation,

1188
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: in quite a long time, that you've had actual wage growth.

1189
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: So of course every corporate interest in the entire country

1190
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, we can't have that. We

1191
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: got to keep being able to pay them pennies at

1192
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: seven to twenty five an hour, and we got to

1193
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: keep our fat profit margins, which continue to be at

1194
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: literal record levels. So what's our solution since unemployment is

1195
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: super low, Well, I guess we're going to have to

1196
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: bring fourteen and fifteen year olds into the workforce and

1197
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: allow them to work longer hours and overnight shifts and

1198
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: in dangerous areas.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, in general, I just think an easy workaround to

1201
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: this would be like make sure you raised the minimum

1202
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: wage to something decent and then sure so like if

1203
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: kids want to work as bar backs, it's like, that's

1204
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: great in terms of as long as you're not trying

1205
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: to circumvent and pay less. Mostly I'm good with it

1206
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: as long as they're not in a dangerous position. I'm

1207
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: curious what other people think. I honestly don't know. Comment

1208
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: let us know what you think. All right, let's talk

1209
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: about UFOs big hearing that happened yesterday and led mostly

1210
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: by Senator Kirston Jill Brand. I have many critiques of

1211
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: Jill Brand, but on the UFO issue, she does genuinely

1212
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 2: seem to be passionate about it. She's been calling hearing,

1213
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: she's been very involved in a lot of people in

1214
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: the community feel as if she's actually trying to get

1215
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this. I hear the same thing

1216
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: about Senator Rubio and a few other members of Congress

1217
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: who do seem again to actually want to get to

1218
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: the bottom. Now, there was some interesting testimony from the

1219
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: head of the new aa ARO office. I'll tell you

1220
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: what that means afterwards, but here's the main takeaway in

1221
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: terms of what they want us to know a little

1222
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: bit of a dual message around possible alien activity.

1223
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

1224
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 10: Arrow has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity,

1225
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 10: off world technology or objects that defy the known laws

1226
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 10: of physics. For those few cases that have leaked to

1227
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 10: the public previously and subsequently commented on by the US government,

1228
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 10: I encourage those who hold alternative theories or views to

1229
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 10: submit to research to credible, peer reviewed scientific journals. Arrow

1230
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 10: is working very hard to do the same. That is

1231
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 10: how science works, not by blog or social media. ERO

1232
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 10: is developing and implementing its science plan. It has to

1233
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 10: do so grounded in a solid foundation of scientific theory

1234
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 10: across the entire range of hypotheses that have been presented

1235
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 10: for what UAP are. That range spans adversary breakthrough technology

1236
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 10: on one hand, known objects and phenomena in the middle,

1237
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 10: all the way to the extreme theories of extraterrestrials.

1238
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: So what did we learn from that? What I thought

1239
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: was interesting is at the very beginning is like, we

1240
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 2: have no evidence extraterrestrial activity defy laws of physics. And

1241
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: then a second thing, He's like, well, part of our

1242
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: hypothesis is that it could be extraterrestrial. It's one of

1243
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: those where they're trying again. They always try it together.

1244
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: We have no evidence that it is. It's like, well,

1245
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: you don't have any evidence that it isn't now in

1246
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: terms of what the possible terrestrial explanations are, I did

1247
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: think it was important for me to raise this. This

1248
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: has actually come from the Washington Post. Washing Posts finally

1249
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: got around actually looking at some of those leaks. One

1250
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: of the things that they talk about, Crystal is that

1251
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: the Chinese are currently reading a supersonic spy drone unit,

1252
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: which would go, let me see here, three times faster

1253
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: than the speed of sound, a high altitude spy drone

1254
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: one that has not yet been seen by adversary or technology,

1255
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: and clearly, if seen by the naked eye or somebody

1256
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: who's not in the military, would be amazed by you know,

1257
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: something is going mock three and is a high altitude drone,

1258
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: not man possibly a smaller object. So you could easily

1259
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: conceive of a civilian situation where you would think like,

1260
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: oh wow, that's something that we had a note about.

1261
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: But let's also remember many of.

1262
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: The videos that we have looked at happened well before

1263
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: this said drone doesn't even think it supposedly hasn't yet

1264
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: been deployed yet, so it's not like you can explain

1265
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: past incidents. You also have no evidence of Russian technology

1266
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: that comes even close to this. My personal view is

1267
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: well or in the fight. You know of their lives

1268
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, So if they had some crazy tech, like,

1269
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: don't you think they would use it?

1270
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Speaker 3: They did.

1271
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: They used the hypersonic missile for no reason, you know,

1272
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: even though they didn't have an attack.

1273
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: A nuke on it.

1274
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: They have all kinds of stuff, you know, outside of

1275
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: nuclear technology. They've basically thrown everything they have at Ukraine.

1276
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: I just presume, like, if you're in a war which

1277
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: is depleting you supposedly, and you have tens of thousands

1278
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: of people to die, that you would reach for something

1279
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: that's not non nuclear and which is you know, a

1280
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: major step forward in terms of technology. You would think

1281
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: haven't seen anything like that. Those are really the only

1282
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: two countries even possibly capable of creating something like this.

1283
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 1: Well unless it's our own program that. Yeah, that's another

1284
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: policy on look.

1285
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean that one is a counterfactual where there's just

1286
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: literally no way to do.

1287
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what they I mean, it is annoying

1288
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: how they play. This is the same rhetorical game that

1289
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: they played, and like the media writeups of the analysis

1290
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: of these objects to be like, well, there's no evidence

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Speaker 1: it's extracharge, but then there's also they can't point to

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Speaker 1: any evidence of what it actually is. So you're really

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Speaker 1: not ruling anything out here. It's very unhelpful. That's Wiley,

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: it's just gaslighting effect.

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Speaker 2: Next video is very important because this is one that

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Speaker 2: was captured over the Middle East from twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: where you can see clear drone footage of people who

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Speaker 2: are on the ground and then a metallic spherical object

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Speaker 2: that zooms through the frame and then is actually followed

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Speaker 2: by the camera of which they have no idea what

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Speaker 2: this thing is here, go ahead and watch it for yourself.

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Speaker 11: You'll see it come through the top of the screen.

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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 11: There it goes, and then the camera will slew to

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01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 11: follow it. You'll see it pop in and out of

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 11: the screw field of view.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 11: This is essentially all of the data we have associated

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 11: with this event from some years ago. It is going

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 11: to be virtually impossible to fully identify that just based

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Speaker 11: off of that video.

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Speaker 2: They don't know what it is. They have no clue,

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Speaker 2: they have no explanation. And look, you think it. You

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01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: think we don't see consumer drones over Iraq all the

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: time or the Middle East. I covered the Battle of Isis,

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: I said, had all kinds of crazy Chinese made like

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: DGI drones and stuff like that. That they were we

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01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: know what a drone looks like. We know what a

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Speaker 2: Chinese drone looks like. We know what Russian drone looks like.

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: We know what consumer drones look like. We could they

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Speaker 2: could easily rule it out and say we know exactly

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Speaker 2: what that is.

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Speaker 3: They have no idea what the hell is going on here.

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Speaker 2: It fits with the Mozel orb photo that Jeremy Corbel

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: has released. Apparently this is the second one that hadn't

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: previously been seen. Now, look, is it proof?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's interesting, and I think the most important

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: thing is we don't know what it is. I just

1329
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: wish that they would be more honest. I also thought

1330
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: that doctor Kirkpatrick or I forgot to tell everyone AAR

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: is the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, you know, pentagons

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: speak for UFOs. But the thing that annoyed me in

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: his initial talk, he's like, this is not going to

1334
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: be solved by social media. This is not going to

1335
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: be He's like calling up basically people like us, people

1336
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: like other in the UFO community for building hype around it.

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: It's like, here's the thing, man, we can't trust you

1338
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: to do any rigorous analysis, not after years of cover ups,

1339
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: not after years of lies. Really, all you can all

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: we can trust, in my opinion, are the people outside

1341
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: looking at this independently. Also, it's not just the people

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01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: who believe it's aliens, people like you know, even Mick

1343
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: West and other UFO debunkers. At least they are working

1344
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: in a frame where they're being honest, they're being opened.

1345
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: They're trying to put things out there and then taking

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: videos and analyzing them in their own way. Even if

1347
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with what they're saying, it's at

1348
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: least out here in a public domain, in a public sphere.

1349
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: You know, honestly, if you're a quote unquote UFO skeptic,

1350
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: nobody's done you more service. Then people like him who

1351
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: are out there giving you, you know, things that you

1352
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: can say of why you don't believe in the phenomenon.

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: It's not the government that's actually helping you out.

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, so if it's not going to be

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: solved by the like social media UFO, yeah, community, who

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01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: that's the answer? No one, right. They don't like people

1357
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: digging around and doing their own thinking about this, doing

1358
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: their own research about this. Obviously, they're very agressive about

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: shutting down any attempts that they possibly can, So, yeah,

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01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: they want to keep control of whatever this investigation ultimately

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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: amounts to.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, we just need more info.

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01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: And you know, part of the thing piss me off

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: here is he dangles like this one little video of

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01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty two from the twenty twenty two report

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: from the Middle East drones, like we already know based

1367
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 2: on former public officials, they are sitting on s troves

1368
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: of videos, a photos, of evidence of so many different

1369
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: fascinating and interesting things that they cannot explain even you know,

1370
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: in ones where they have claimed that they could solve

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: it through whether related incidents. It's like, we can't just

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: take your word for it. You have to prove that.

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01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: You have to prove exactly how you determined that this

1374
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: was a mirror photo or a collade or you know,

1375
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: an optical illusion or something you can't like, we cannot

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: just take these people's word for it. So I think

1377
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: in every case we need a lot more transparency.

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: You know, even this, I love how they're like blurring.

1379
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: Things out in the frame. I'm like, nobody cares. I'm

1380
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: sorry about It's not going to do any damage, I

1381
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: think to national security. So more info, more hearings. Thank you,

1382
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,839
Speaker 2: Senator Jill Brand. Yeah, thank you people in the community

1383
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: who flagged these videos and some of this testimony for me.

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01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be an interesting update for all of you.

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: If this is what they're willing to share, you can

1386
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 1: only imagine what they are secret.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: We had one more piece we wanted to add to

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: the show last minute because our friends over the Lever

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: broke a really big story that actually has now been

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: picked up this morning the New York Times in regards

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: to that Fox News settlement with dominion voting systems, which

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I should say we sort of predicted it was going

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: to ultimately have it because there was no way Fox

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: was going to allow like their entire prime time lineup

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: to have to go and you know, sit under oath

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: and testify about whatever the hell was going on during

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Speaker 1: the Stop the Steal era. So this settlement seven hundred

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: and eighty seven million dollars sounds like a lot, right,

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: Well maybe not so much. Why because they are able

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01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 1: to deduct take a tax deduction on a significant amount

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: of this payout. And that's the piece that the lever uncovered.

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Speaker 1: Kudos to them, Our great partners put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So they say Fox can claim tax right

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01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: off for defamation settlement. The company says it can deduct

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: the cost of its seven hundred and eighty seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars payment to Dominion over its election lies. Let me

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: read you a little bit of the details here that

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: they uncovered Fox's massive settlement with private equity back voting

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01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: machine company Dominion Voting Systems. Didn't just spare the conservative

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: news organization from a lengthy public defamation trial or a

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: full public reckoning for its election lise, it could also

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: mean a tax break as large as two hundred and

1414
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars. On Tuesday, Fox News and their parent

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: company agreed to that defamation settlement as the largest known

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01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: defamation payment in US history. So again you're going like,

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01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's a lot. Is significant. It's going

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01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 1: to deter them from doing the same thing all over again. However,

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: thanks to an arcane line in the tax code, Fox

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: can deduct that settlement payment from its income taxes. According

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: to a company spokesperson and tax experts consulted by the Lever,

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: that's because federal law allows taxpayers to write off many

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: legal costs, providing that they are ordinary and necessary business expenses.

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: The IRS has repeatedly affirmed that for major corporations, paying

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: out settlements is just part of the cost of doing business,

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: and that's how they all look at this stuff. I mean,

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: whether it's this, whether it's big Pharma. Not to mention,

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Fox may also have insurance that covers significant part of this.

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: So not only are they able to do a tax

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01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: write off over this as like the US taxpayer sort

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01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: of like footing the bill for their own impropriety during

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 1: the election, but also they may have insurance that covers

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 1: a lot of this. So what does this ultimately amount

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: to them? Probably not that much.

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Speaker 2: And while they wouldn't be able to write off the

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: part that's from insurance. They would then be able to

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 2: deduct any increase in your premium that you would have

1438
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: from Now, I want people to think about when you

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01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: do something that's not even your fault. This actually happened

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: to me. My fiance was in the jeep that I

1441
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: had and it was t boned. Now the person, the

1442
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: person was clearly at fault, but you know she disputed it.

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: The insurance company, you know whatever, no contact. So my

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: premiums went up, Like, and it's not even my fault.

1445
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: Do I get to do I get to pay like?

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01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: Or do I get to write off the increase of

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 2: their premium?

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01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 12: No?

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01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: And that's when you're not even at fault. And let's

1450
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: say also, let's say you know, you do something stupid

1451
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 2: and you know, you dig somebody, you're back into somebody,

1452
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: et cetera, and you then have an increase in your

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: prem do you get to write off that?

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 9: Like?

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01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 12: No?

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01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Why do these corporations get multi billion dollar write offs

1457
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: and all this stuff when average people who may even

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 2: have an insurance premium go up through zero fault of their.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: Own don't get to do anything.

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also the fact that the corporation putting aside this like

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01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: Fox situation, but the corporation, the corporate entity always absorbs

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: all the blows and there's like very little, almost never

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01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 1: is there any personal accountability for executives, like for example,

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand and eight financial crash, for the

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: executives who were making the decisions behind the scenes, they

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: just skate scot free. The corporate insurance handles it, they

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01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: write off it's a big tax deduction, and then next

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Speaker 1: time around, you know what, this this was successful for

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: their business. Ultimately, they kept their audience. They sort of

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01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: pushed off the Newsmax and one American news threat. You

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01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to do these same exact calculus

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Speaker 1: all over again. Based on this math, it seems like

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01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: it's working out for them. And the other indicator that

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: the New York Times, which cites the Levers reporting, I

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: mean again, kudo's the lever Because you got all these

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01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: giant news outlets, none of them pursued this angle of

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01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: the story, which is incredibly important for understanding how this

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01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: all unfold and what it will mean for Fox News

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: and other media organizations going forward. So they cite their

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01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: reporting here, but they also note that, you know, Fox's

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 1: stock is barely budge since the deal was announced on Tuesday,

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: so their shareholders don't think this is a problem, this

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01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: historic seven hundred and eighty seven million dollar defamation settlement.

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: Their show shareholders are shrugging this off as no big

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01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: deal again, just cost of doing business. So quite extraordinary,

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: quite revealing of exactly who our society is set up

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: to benefit, who basically can get away with anything, with

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: any sort of behavior and pay literally no cost here.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, said Crystal. Very well, sir, and funny. Kudos

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: to the lever for exposing this. What a bs you know, SYSM. Yeah,

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: sometimes I just look, it just makes me so angry,

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: you know, to think about it. I'm like, like I

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01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: get to write. Imagine if you could write off.

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Speaker 3: Increase of your premiums.

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01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: Think about that. Can imagine if you could do.

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Speaker 1: This like Purdue Farm, all the farm that like, know

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: that they're injuring people, know that people are getting addicted, whatever.

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Speaker 1: And but again they just see it as like, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, we'll have the profits on this side,

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Speaker 1: We'll be able to write write off any settlements. We

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Speaker 1: have to come to with the families or with the

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Speaker 1: governments or whoever. So cost of doing business, I guess

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: it's worth it, or the banks. I could go on

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Speaker 1: and on. Yeah, yes, man, all right, Sager are looking.

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Speaker 2: At There's been a lot written about Elon Musk's interview

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01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: with Tucker Carlson, almost none of it having to do

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: with the interview and most about going on the show

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: in the first place, but perhaps the most interesting part

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01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: focused on AI and the original motivations for Elon's involvement

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: with open AI in the past, and sparks by a

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: shocking conversation with the co founder of Google, Larry Page

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Speaker 2: that he revealed Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: The reason open I exists at all is that Larry

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 5: Paige and I used to beak close friends, and I

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 5: to day his house in Palo Alto, and I talk

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 5: to him late to the night about AI safety, and

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 5: at least my perception was that Larry was not taking

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01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 5: AI safety seriously enough and.

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Speaker 6: What did he say about it? He really seemed to be.

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 5: One sort of digital superintelligence's basically digital god, if.

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01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 6: You will, as soon as possible, if he wanted that.

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 5: Yes, he's made many cooler statements over the years that

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Speaker 5: the whole build Google is what's called a GI artificial

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 5: general intelligence or official superintelligence. But no, and I agree

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 5: with him that there's great potential for God, but there's

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01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 5: also potential for bad. And so if you've got some

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 5: radical new technology, you want to try to take a

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 5: set actions that maximize probably it will do good, minimize

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 5: probably will do bad things.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on there. So Larry Page wants

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: to create a digital god without regard for its possible

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: effect on humanity.

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Speaker 3: This is terrifying.

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01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: And now that we've seen multiple stories of large life

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: which model programs like Chatchipt and bing Sydney do just

1539
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 2: weird and bonker stuff like try to make it journalists

1540
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: fall in love with them, or make up sexual assault

1541
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: allegations against someone. All of us can kind of agree

1542
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: we do need control over AI. The problem is that

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01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: when we say control, not all of us are agreeing

1544
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: on the same thing. For example, here is Elon's view

1545
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: of what is wrong with AI, and specifically Chatchipt.

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 12: The intention with OPII was observing good, but it's not

1547
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 12: clear whether it's actually doing good or whether it's I

1548
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 12: Can's helpless point except that I'm worried about the fact

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 12: that it's it's been trained to be poletically corrected, which

1550
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 12: is something another way of being saying on truthful things.

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01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 5: Yes, so that's not a bad sign.

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 12: That's really a path too.

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 6: I just ope.

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: So there's more. In that interview where Elon talks about

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: how Open Eye is now closed it's a multidillion dollar

1556
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: organization with Microsoft for profit. It lays out the case

1557
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: actually pretty well, and in fact, the objection is that

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: AI is not programmed to be truthful enough, and as

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01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: political correctness hardwired into it. Now, imagine a world where

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01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: you do go to a future Google or a Bing

1561
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: for an answer to your question, and you get one

1562
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: that seems right but is actually completely distorted version of

1563
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: the truth vetted for you by the mainstream media and

1564
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: the politically correct. And we already live in a reality

1565
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: that somewhat resembles that, but the Internet at least empowers

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,480
Speaker 2: some of us to fight back. This would simply completely

1567
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: solidify total control for them. The problem that we really have, though,

1568
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: is that when the other side talks about AI safety

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: and regulation, they don't actually care about any of this.

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 2: In fact, their objection is that chatch ept and AI

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 2: is not politically correct enough, and they actually want the

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Speaker 2: government to set the terms exactly of how politically correct

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: they should be. Take the new so called AI Bill

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: of Rights. It's released by the Biden administration recently. The

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 2: document lays out the Biden administration's vision of how AI

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01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 2: should be governed, including quote, safe and effective systems, algorithmic discrimination, data, privacy,

1577
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 2: notice and explanation, human alternatives, consideration, and fallback on their face,

1578
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: all lost on fine like corporate speak. But the one

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01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: that immediately raises my eyebrow is algorithmic discrimination.

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Speaker 3: Let's read further like clockwork.

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: The first sentence of the document includes the buzzword d

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: jore equity. If you have not yet heard of equity,

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: I encourage you all to go watch my previous monologue

1584
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: on Tuesday about how it effectively in many cases entails

1585
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: being so woke you're racist, forcing people towards desired social outcomes.

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Speaker 3: But let's continue.

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Speaker 2: Sentence number two reads, quote, Algorithmic discrimination occurs when automated

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Speaker 2: systems contribute to unjustified different treatment or impacts disfavoring people

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Speaker 2: based on their race, color, ethnicity, sex, including pregnancy, childbirth

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Speaker 2: related medical conditions, gender identity, intersex status, sexual orientation, religion, age,

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Speaker 2: national origin, disability, veteran status, genetic information, or any other

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Speaker 2: possible classification.

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Speaker 3: Protected by law.

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 2: Quite a mouthful.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that they fit all of them in there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is per the Biden administration, how AI should

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01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: quote include proactive equity assessments as part of the system

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: design and would constantly need to be independently evaluated by

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Speaker 2: the government to ensure that companies are producing equitable AI outcomes.

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 2: In other words, that's social engineering. That's more political correctness.

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01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 2: That is some sort of weird nineteen eighty four language

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: board full of nonprofits and governments who get to decide

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01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: which group is now not allowed to be criticized and

1605
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: then program that into AI. This is what they mean

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01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: when they say regulation. If you didn't want more evidence

1607
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: of what the left establishment actually wants for the new

1608
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: AI regime, look at this. This is a new declaration

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: from Open Philanthropy. It's a technology nonprofit. It's funded by

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01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: several left wing, left aligned multi billionaires in Silicon Valley.

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 2: Some of their new propositions for AI regulation sound fine

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01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 2: like software export controls, but some hint at total dystopia.

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: One proposition, for example, is to have some sort of

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01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: government implanted chip and inside AI systems.

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Speaker 3: The chip would.

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01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: Monitor the AI at all times and shut it off

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01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: if they deem it to be going off rag. Now again,

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: you can actually world where that could be justified. But

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01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: you could also see one where would be one of

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01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: the greatest tools for control ever devised. Number four, too,

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: is about licensing. All companies that want to work on

1622
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: AI create some sort of registry. Here, again, we have

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 2: an easily gamable system. Consider we already have two of

1624
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 2: the largest companies on planet Earth competing in this space,

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: Microsoft and Google. You think they won't fight tooth and

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01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 2: nail to make sure the only ones with a license.

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01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 2: Note I am just trying to poke holes in every

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01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: argument here. I don't have any idea what to think.

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01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I am terrified of a Matrix

1630
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: like scenario unchecked and unchecked power. On the other, terrified

1631
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: if some oligarchic arrangement where a few tech companies controlled

1632
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: by the government a nonprofit industrial complex have a monopoly

1633
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 2: on information and use it to push their social agenda

1634
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: on the American people and really the world. They're equally

1635
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: terrifying to me, and my view is one I've laid

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01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 2: out here yesterday. But I see people, very few people

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01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 2: pushing for AI should be pro human, should have enforcement

1638
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: mechanisms with them, and to assure they're always being working

1639
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: towards a tool, not towards supplant us. I think AI

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: should be required to stay within the balance of the

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01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: First Amendment here in the United States, and only the

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: First Amendment should also be required not.

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Speaker 3: To deviate from it.

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01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 2: In other words, no equity manipulation, nonsense, the truth, and

1645
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: robust actual competition meaning rigorous antitrust enforcement to ensure that

1646
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: what happened to the Internet from nineteen ninety to twenty

1647
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: ten does ever happen again. Centralized control of the next

1648
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: generation of tech in the hands of very few in

1649
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: the ideologically captured personally, I really don't think that's going

1650
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: to happen. The most likely scenario is the one that

1651
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: really exists today social media and tech, total ideological regulatory capture,

1652
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: effective control over the most powerful sector of the economy.

1653
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: But at the very least, let's hope and try to

1654
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: make sure that doesn't go that way again, because if

1655
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: it does, we could really all be in for a

1656
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 2: bad time. It's really hard, Crystal right, because you can

1657
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: see there's downside to everything there.

1658
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,480
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a pre Damium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

1660
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 3: What are you taking a look at?

1661
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: Well, guys, smelling blood in the water. Former President Trump

1662
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: has opened up a new front in his war against

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, torching him relentlessly over the Florida governor's ongoing

1664
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: battle with Disney, and especially the humiliating spectacle of DeSantis

1665
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: getting outplayed by the mouse. Now, before I get into

1666
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing, let me just promise by preface by

1667
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: saying there is no one to root for here. DeSantis

1668
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: is hitting an unaccountable giant corporation in Disney, but he's

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: doing it in the dumbest possible way for the dumbest

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: possible reasons. Disney has humiliated Dasantis, which is kind of

1671
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: satisfying to see, but their power does legitimately deserve to

1672
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: be checked and their hollow virtue signaling exposed. Trump is

1673
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: also torching DeSantis, which is also kind of satisfying, but

1674
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: in doing so is standing on the side of unchecked

1675
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: corporate power. So it is all a bit tangled here.

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: I suppose that is what makes the story interesting to me, though,

1677
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: all right, quick refresher on how we got here. Desanta's

1678
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: passed the Don't Say Gay Bill, which was basically a

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01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: way to set signal his anti grumor cred in the

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01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: right wing culture war. Dujore. Disney, with a large gay

1681
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: fan base, has long billed itself as LGBTQ friendly. Under pressure,

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01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: they belatedly put out some weak ass statement against the

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01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: bill and cut off GP donations. Spotting an opportunity to

1684
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: bolster his anti woke cred, DeSantis and his alleys then

1685
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: went on the attack against Disney and their so called wokeness.

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: In particular, DeSantis targeted the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which

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01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,799
Speaker 1: has since the sixties basically allowed Disney to govern itself,

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01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: including taxing themselves, loving bonds, green lighting infrastructure, running fire

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01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: and police stations. Even provided Disney with the rights to

1690
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: build a nuclear power plant should they ever desire to

1691
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: do so. Unaccountable taxpayer backed corporate power is indeed wrong

1692
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: and bad. But after patting himself on the back for

1693
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: his big alpha male energy, DeSantis took his eye off

1694
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: the ball, and the giant corporation did what giant corporations

1695
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: do in America. They took power, and a publicly noticed meeting,

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01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: the still Disney backed Reedy Creek Board granted a massive

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01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: development deal to Disney. This effectively handed all control of

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01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: the region back to the big corporation mere weeks before

1699
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: DeSantis cronies were set to take control of that board. Now,

1700
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: Disney's maneuver immediately turned what had been a winning hand

1701
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 1: for DeSantis with the GOP base into a potentially disastrous catastrophe.

1702
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: He scrambled to respond with some fake blusters, suggesting perhaps

1703
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: the building state prison next to Disney take a listen

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01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: to that.

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01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 13: You're not going to have Disney have its own government

1706
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 13: in Central Florida. They're going to live under the same

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01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 13: laws as everybody else.

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01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 3: What should we do with this land?

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01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 13: And so you know, it's like okay, I mean people

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 13: have said, you know, maybe maybe have another maybe create

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01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 13: a state park, maybe try to do more amusement parks.

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01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 13: Someone even said like maybe you need another state prison.

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 6: Who knows.

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 13: I mean, I just think that the possibilities are our

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Speaker 13: end list.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't the only one who can smell the desperation

1717
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: here and every single DeSantis and me immediately pounced twenty

1718
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: twenty four hopeful Nikki Haley and potential presidential can ends,

1719
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: Chris Christy and chrisni Sanu Nu they all got in

1720
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: on the action. So Nunu accused DeSantis of just going

1721
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,520
Speaker 1: after a headline saying the fight convolutes the entire Republican message.

1722
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: Hailey's super pac called it an embarrassing blow and mocked

1723
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,799
Speaker 1: DeSantis's desperate attempt to regain the alpha position by suggesting

1724
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: he might build a prison next to Disney. Nikki Haley,

1725
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: I guess kicking sideways there. After all, here in part

1726
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: is what Chris Christy had to say.

1727
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Speaker 9: I'm all for the use, the appropriate use of governmental

1728
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 9: power to achieve latable goals. And when you're the governor

1729
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 9: of a state, and our governorship is constitutionally the most

1730
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 9: powerful governorship of the country, the New Jersey governorship has

1731
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 9: enormous authority, and I loved using the levers of that

1732
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 9: authority to be able to accomplish things. But can you

1733
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 9: put someone in that position or have a composition to president.

1734
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 9: If you're going to use those levers, you've got to

1735
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 9: look around the corners to see what the result of

1736
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 9: that will be for him to have taken the action

1737
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 9: he took against Disney and did not have foreseen that

1738
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 9: Disney was going to do what they did in response,

1739
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 9: which was to completely take over the millions and millions

1740
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 9: of acres, and his any decisions of that before they

1741
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 9: got the authority. Well, I'll tell you this much, that's

1742
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 9: not the guy I want sitting at cars for President

1743
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 9: g and negotiating our next agreement with China. We're sitting

1744
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 9: at cars for Putin and trying to resolve with having Ukraine.

1745
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 9: If you can't see around the corner that Bob Ig're

1746
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 9: creating for you.

1747
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: So for their park, Disney had already troll DeSantis showed

1748
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: they were not remotely deterred by announcing they will host

1749
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: the largest LGBTQ plus conference in the world at their

1750
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: Florida park just this summer. Now, to be honest, even

1751
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: though Disney busting DeSantis is embarrassing, the governor is clearly

1752
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: struggling to figure out how to improve his now very

1753
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: poor position. I still would have bet on the Disney

1754
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: fight being a net benefit for the governor. With the

1755
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Republican base base that really couldn't care less about what

1756
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Nikki Hiali or Chris Christy or christ the New New

1757
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: things about this or any other matter really, But now

1758
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: the big dog has weighed in the way that only

1759
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: he can. In a post on truth social Trump trash,

1760
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: DeSantis writing Dysanctus is being absolutely destroyed by Disney. His

1761
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: original pr plan fizzled, so now he's going back with

1762
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: a new one in order to save face. Disney's next

1763
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: move will be the announcement that no more money will

1764
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: be invested in Florida because of the governor. In fact,

1765
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: they could even announce a slow withdrawal or sale of

1766
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: certain properties or the whole thing watch that would be

1767
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: a killer. In the meantime, this is also unnecessary a

1768
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: political stunt. Ron should work on the squatter mess. Now.

1769
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: The political dynamics of this, to me are kind of fascinating.

1770
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: The more upscale chamber of commerce part of the Republican

1771
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: Party that is Governor DeSantis's more natural base, they don't

1772
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: like his move here because it's anti business. And the

1773
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: more downscale populist part of the Republican Party that probably

1774
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: initially liked the anti Disney fight is the most likely

1775
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: to be swayed by Trump trashing DeSantis over it and

1776
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: basically calling him a cock. And let's face it, the

1777
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: GOP base is basically held together by vibes and aesthetics

1778
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: at this point, so if you get branded a cuck

1779
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: and a loser, the details really won't matter all that much.

1780
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: At its core, the whole situation reveals how confused, listless,

1781
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: and chaotic the Republican Party is right now. The new

1782
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: goal of standing out up to quote unquote wont capital

1783
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: exists very uneasily along the other longtime goal of giving

1784
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: giant corporations literally everything they could possibly want at every turn,

1785
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: and so lacking any coherent organizing philosophy, the center of

1786
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: gravity and political sentiment generally moves whoever wins the latest

1787
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: alpha male dickswinging contest. Whatever happens with Disney, that is

1788
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: not a fight that DeSantis can win. I'm clearly not

1789
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: the only one who sees it that way. As we

1790
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: covered earlier, Trump just rolled down a whole newslate of

1791
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: endorsements from Florida Republicans. Florida Republicans six members now eight

1792
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: of Florida's congressional delegation are officially backing Trump, including several

1793
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: who are not hard Trump loyalists, and should have been

1794
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: imminently gettable for DeSantis. I suppose they can read the

1795
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: vibes in the polls as well as anyone else. As

1796
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: DeSantis once said, just look at the scoreboard. So, Sager,

1797
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I just read this morning that apparently, you know, DeSantis

1798
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: is trying to make some legislative moves to roll back

1799
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: that deal.

1800
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,960
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1802
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: Very excited to introduce our next guest, who I actually

1803
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: grew up with but has become a big time sports

1804
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: radio host. He's always been a huge sports fan, and

1805
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: especially a huge Washington sports fan, Grant Paulson. He is

1806
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: host of the Grant and Danny Show on one of

1807
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: six to seven the Fan, and he joins us now

1808
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: to talk about whatever is happening with the latest commander's

1809
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: sale story. So great to see you, Grant.

1810
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 6: Welcome, Great to you, man, Great to you, good, good

1811
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 6: to meet you. Yes, absolutely happy to be here. How

1812
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 6: are you guys?

1813
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: Very good?

1814
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: So Dan Snyder has been like the worst NFL owner

1815
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: in history, and the team is now up for sale,

1816
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: which you know. I'm a long time suffering Washington sports

1817
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: fan as you are as well, and so I've been

1818
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: following a little bit loosely what is going on here?

1819
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: My understanding is it looked like they had a deal

1820
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and things were kind of proceeding normally, and then there

1821
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: was this curveball thrown in at the last minute of

1822
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: an all cash offer, where I was like, but where

1823
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: is this money actually coming from? And there are now

1824
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: rumors put this up on the screen that this all

1825
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: cash offer maybe coming from Saudi Arabia. So give us

1826
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: the details of what exactly is going on here, Grant.

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01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, So, for a little while, as you said, it

1828
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 7: did seem like this was going to be a moderately

1829
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 7: normal sale, although there's not a whole lot normal about it.

1830
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 7: Very rarely do owners sell teams that they don't want

1831
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,839
Speaker 7: to sell. But what has happened here is that Dan Snyder,

1832
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 7: either by way of force or some force, is being

1833
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 7: told he can no longer own the Commander's best we

1834
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 7: could tell by way of the National Football League and

1835
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 7: other owners. After he is being investigated by an all

1836
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 7: the way up to the house Oversight Committee Virginia, Maryland

1837
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 7: has investigated him. There was an ESPN report that the

1838
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 7: FBI was looking into possible bank fraud because he didn't

1839
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 7: have his minority owners sign off on a loan they

1840
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 7: were supposed to sign off on before he bought them

1841
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 7: out to buy the entire team.

1842
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 6: He owned sixty percent.

1843
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 7: Now he owns one hundred percent after buying those owners

1844
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 7: out for forty percent. So there have been so many investigations,

1845
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 7: so many headaches for the league recently that they want

1846
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 7: Dan Snyder, who as you said, has done a very

1847
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 7: poor job running the team on the field and off

1848
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 7: the field for twenty four years out. So he is

1849
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 7: in the process of selling and it looks like we

1850
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 7: are almost at the finish line with an actual bid

1851
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 7: and real money from Josh Harris, who owns the Philadelphia

1852
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 7: seventy six ers in the NBA, New Jersey Devil's in

1853
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 7: the NHL. There's a billionaire he's working with, Mitchell Rails

1854
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 7: out of DC. These two guys are combined with former

1855
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 7: basketball icon and legend Magic Johnson and thirteen other people

1856
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 7: to try to buy this team out of nowhere. Though

1857
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 7: there is a gentleman named Brian Davis, who is a

1858
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 7: former star basketball player in college at Duke, who had

1859
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 7: a cup of coffee in the NBA, who apparently has,

1860
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 7: as you said, engaged now in trying to buy this

1861
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 7: team with what he says is his money. He claims

1862
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 7: he can offer seven billion dollars in cash. He claims

1863
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 7: he can additionally offer another two billion dollars to do

1864
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 7: some different things that need to be done with the

1865
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 7: stadium and some other financing. And he says he currently

1866
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 7: has ten billion dollars in the bank account that that

1867
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 7: he recently got from what he calls not investors, but partners.

1868
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 7: And so, as you guys can imagine, when there's no

1869
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 7: recent record via Forbes or any kind of valuation of

1870
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 7: this person being worth this kind of money. Oprah Winfrey's

1871
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 7: worth two billion, Tiger Woods is worth a little over

1872
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 7: a billion, Donald Trump's worth two point five. You look

1873
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 7: at some of the people and what they're worth, and

1874
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 7: then this guy says he's got ten billion dollars who

1875
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 7: nobody's heard of?

1876
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 6: How is this a thing?

1877
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 7: And so when you start digging into that, there are

1878
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:29,480
Speaker 7: major questions.

1879
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 3: Okay, got it?

1880
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: And so then in terms of the bidding process, forgive me.

1881
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely familiar.

1882
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 3: Are they like?

1883
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Is Snyder required to entertain all bids? Is this more

1884
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: of a media process? I had read previously like Bezos

1885
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 2: was interested but because Snyder didn't like Bezos. It's not

1886
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 2: like a shareholder corporation as I understand it, where they

1887
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 2: have to entertain all bids regardless of whether they like

1888
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: them or not.

1889
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 7: So you're correct, it's not that different, maybe than selling

1890
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 7: your house initially, where Dan Snyder can sell to he

1891
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 7: wants to. Here's the problem with that, though twenty four

1892
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 7: NFL owners, there are thirty one of them, because the

1893
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 7: Packers don't technically have one, twenty four of the thirty

1894
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 7: one are going to have to sign off on whoever

1895
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 7: this new owner is to welcome them into their club. So,

1896
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 7: as an example, when Dan Snyder bought the team over

1897
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 7: two decades ago, there was actually a person that had

1898
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 7: agreed to buy the team from the previous owner, John

1899
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 7: ken Cook, who didn't get approved by the National Football League.

1900
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 7: They said no to that person. Snyder swooped in and

1901
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 7: got universally accepted as an owner, which I'm sure they

1902
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 7: regret now.

1903
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 6: But yet he could sell to whoever he wants to.

1904
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 7: I guess theoretically as long as he thinks the money

1905
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 7: is legit, or maybe as he gets ready to pack

1906
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 7: up shop he's already it seems like living in or

1907
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 7: going to be living in London, maybe taking his money

1908
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 7: and leaving. He could say, you guys ran me out

1909
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 7: of here. The fans hate me. I don't care what

1910
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 7: kind of shambles I leave you in. I'll sell to

1911
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 7: whoever I want. The problem with that is that the

1912
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 7: League would never approve someone who just fell into billions

1913
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 7: of dollars. And we actually had this guy, Brian Davis

1914
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 7: on our radio station yesterday for a thirty plus minute

1915
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 7: interview that was somewhere between fascinating and riveting and comical.

1916
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 7: Where I mean, there are just so many unanswered questions

1917
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 7: where he has said he sold his intellectual property for

1918
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 7: fifty billion dollars, which again just common sense would say,

1919
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 7: if George Lucas is worth five billion dollars, how is

1920
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 7: this person that nobody knew a couple of weeks ago,

1921
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 7: somehow selling his intellectual property for fifty billion, which he

1922
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 7: explains away is he has a business that creates business

1923
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 7: and he was able to get someone to buy in

1924
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 7: on a very small scale at a big amount, which

1925
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 7: now makes them worth this much larger amount when you

1926
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 7: extrapolated out, it just doesn't make a lot of sense,

1927
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 7: but it has been a fascinating diversion to It looks

1928
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 7: like a sale to the Harris Rails group that could

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Speaker 7: be happening imminently.

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Speaker 1: Huh. So the Saudi rumors that they're the ones who

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Speaker 1: are really behind this, which you know, makes some logical sense.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they've invested in what I would characterize is basically

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Speaker 1: it's like sportswashing with the big live golf play. Are

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Speaker 1: those just rumors or is there anything to back that up?

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Speaker 6: So so far they're just rumors.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he point blank on the radio yesterday said

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Speaker 7: that that wasn't the case, and what was kind.

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Speaker 6: Of an awkward exchange.

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Speaker 7: Right, Let's start with the fact that when he initially

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Speaker 7: said he had this money, I think everyone believed.

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Speaker 6: That he didn't. He has, what I.

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Speaker 7: Have been told by folks in the media been able

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Speaker 7: to at least partially try to prove that this money

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Speaker 7: is in an account somewhere. Okay, so he claims not

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Speaker 7: only that he has the money, but then the idea

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Speaker 7: was well if you have money, it's not your money.

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Speaker 7: Who are you trying to buy this team on behalf

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Speaker 7: of He says, it is my money.

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Speaker 6: This is his opinion. He says, this is my.

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Speaker 7: Money they paid me for essentially my company. I can

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Speaker 7: now do what I want with this cash. So the

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Speaker 7: thought was, Okay, who is backing this and it's an anonymity,

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Speaker 7: we don't know. I think that's where some of the

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Speaker 7: rumors the thoughts came from. As you said, based on

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Speaker 7: the landscape right now, based on what we're seeing with

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Speaker 7: the live tour, people suggested maybe it is Saudi Arabian.

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Speaker 6: He adamantly said it wasn't.

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Speaker 7: And his comment on the radio, which was I thought

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Speaker 7: very weird, was that the money came from white people,

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Speaker 7: as he put it. He then said that he said

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Speaker 7: it was a Jewish Italian and Sicilian was what he suggested.

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Speaker 1: That was his words, but is a weird way to

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Speaker 1: characterize it.

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Speaker 6: It was very odd.

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Speaker 7: I will say again, the interview was something. It was

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Speaker 7: really good radio. I don't I don't know what else

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Speaker 7: it was, but it left a lot of people with

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Speaker 7: a lot of questions. But he says he doesn't want

1969
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Speaker 7: people saying it's it's from Saudi Arabian money. He said

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Speaker 7: it's not the case. But he also claims, I mean,

1971
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Speaker 7: he claimed a lot of things. He said that, you

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Speaker 7: know again, intellectual properties worth fifty billion. He's already been

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Speaker 7: paid ten billion for it. Now here's the big question.

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Speaker 7: I think there's there's two parts of this. Number One,

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Speaker 7: does he actually have the money? He says it come clean?

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Speaker 7: Number Two, would the league, ever, let's say he does

1977
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 7: have the money, let's say somethhow he got the money.

1978
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Speaker 7: Would the league sell the team to this person? And

1979
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Speaker 7: that's where, guys, all along my answer has been no.

1980
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Speaker 7: I will badly apologize to him very loudly in a

1981
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Speaker 7: megaphone when he buys the team.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to start writing that apology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow, And Grant, finally, a bigger picture question take

1984
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Speaker 1: us through, like what has happened to this franchise. I mean,

1985
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Speaker 1: this one used to be one of the most valuable,

1986
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,879
Speaker 1: if not the most valuable sports franchise in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: As you said, the tenure under Snyder has just been

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Speaker 1: one disaster effectively after another, both on the field and

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of personnel, in the way that

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Speaker 1: the business side has been run like, what is the

1991
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Speaker 1: state of this enterprise at this point?

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Speaker 6: It's incredible.

1993
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Speaker 7: I mean, Chris, I won't bore people too much with

1994
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Speaker 7: the football element of this, but I will say that

1995
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 7: you could literally teach a four hundred level course and frankly,

1996
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 7: somebody should on how not to run a business by

1997
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 7: just wining to what has become of this organization. When

1998
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Speaker 7: we were growing up in the DC area two plus

1999
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 7: decades ago, this team was one of the most successful

2000
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Speaker 7: pillars of a sport that owns a day of the week, right,

2001
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 7: I mean, the Washington Redskins brand as a three time

2002
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 7: Super Bowl champion was iconic in sports. It was right

2003
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 7: there with any of the big teams, the Yankees and

2004
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Speaker 7: the Dodgers.

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Speaker 6: He takes over this team.

2006
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Speaker 7: They are among the elite in ticket sales and attendance,

2007
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 7: and they have a new stadium, and they are among

2008
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 7: the best. It's a top ten media market in the

2009
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Speaker 7: country in TV ratings. They have been dead last the

2010
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 7: last two seasons in attendance and specifically this last year

2011
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Speaker 7: dead last. Think about that their TV numbers have dropped

2012
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Speaker 7: off and cratered so much that there are times in

2013
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 7: their TV window in the DC area where they get

2014
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 7: outdrawn by the Ravens in Baltimore or a random AFC.

2015
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Speaker 7: I mean, these things would be utterly unfathomable. And it's

2016
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Speaker 7: most specifically, and I think directly because of people's hatred

2017
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Speaker 7: for this owner. They have decided, I will not put

2018
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 7: a penny in this person's pocket. I'm not going to

2019
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 7: buy tickets, I'm not going to buy gear. Subsequently, they

2020
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 7: have had to change their name, which is a massive

2021
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 7: story both in and outside of sports obviously, but there

2022
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 7: are plenty of fans who have left and will never

2023
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Speaker 7: come back because of that. That just happened within the

2024
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Speaker 7: last few years and also can be tied back to

2025
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Speaker 7: probably Dan Snyder, who, rather than having the name and

2026
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Speaker 7: just proceeding quietly this losing team, he was very vocal

2027
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Speaker 7: they would never change the name. In a USA Today

2028
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 7: story said right in all caps, will never change the

2029
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Speaker 7: name and basically egged on the idea that wouldn't happened.

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Speaker 6: He lost that battle, but a couple.

2031
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Speaker 7: Of years ago, forty plus employees came forward to say

2032
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 7: they've been harassed. Some have an alleged assault directly against

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Speaker 7: Dan Snyder sexually. This has been a person that for decades,

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Speaker 7: the only team in the NFL that hasn't won eleven

2035
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Speaker 7: games while he's on the team. They have two playoff

2036
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Speaker 7: wins in his twenty four seasons. One of them was

2037
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Speaker 7: his first year taking over when someone else built the roster.

2038
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Speaker 7: Just one playoff win since. On the field, horrific, and

2039
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Speaker 7: it's been better on the field where they were arguably

2040
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 7: the worst team in the league under his watch. Ben

2041
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 7: Off the field, whereas I said, he's been investigated over

2042
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Speaker 7: the last few months by Congress Virginia Maryland DC, and

2043
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 7: apparently according to the ESPN, you know, the FBI has

2044
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 7: been looking into some of his practices financially, so you know,

2045
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 7: the allegations are bountiful, and fans just kind of got

2046
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,560
Speaker 7: fed up of trying to explain themselves.

2047
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Speaker 6: To be in the bunt of a joke.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I can result I can say for

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Speaker 1: myself personally, and I used to be a religious watcher

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Speaker 1: of Redskins, grew up in the whole fandom, super committed.

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01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it just becomes exhausting. Really, this is not

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Speaker 1: worth my time, It's not worth my emotional investment. Like,

2053
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: I'm done here, got other things that I need to

2054
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: do with my life.

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01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 7: Sports are supposed to be fun, right, Like, people listen

2056
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 7: to my show occasionally because either something in the world

2057
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 7: or news or politics whatever.

2058
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 6: Sometimes can get to be too much.

2059
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 7: So you come to me for a little bit of

2060
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 7: a diversion and we'll talk about the Nats throwing a

2061
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 7: good game or the Redskins now Commanders winning a football game.

2062
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 7: It got to a point, to your point where it

2063
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 7: was exhausting, it was work like being a fan of

2064
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 7: the team literally stopped being fun. And when that happens

2065
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 7: as a sports entity, you are done and dance night.

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01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: So true, so true. Grant Paulson, Pride of King George County, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you and listen to your show?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm on social at Grant H. Paulson.

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Speaker 7: If you like sports and movie and food takes those

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Speaker 7: are my three category that I stink too.

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