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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two thirty six,

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Speaker 1: Episode three of Joys Like Guys Day production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, May eleventh,

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Speaker 1: which of course means that it is a National School

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Speaker 1: Nurse Day. It is also National Twilight Zone Day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Ocean Zone? Are we talking about

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Speaker 1: the TV proper words? I think we are talking about

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Speaker 1: you have entered the twilight Zone, the TV show which

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Speaker 1: I don't know why it's on May eleventh because it

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Speaker 1: premiered in on October one, but hey as whatever knows. Yeah, wait,

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Speaker 1: are you a big twilight Zone Him? Nope, that's just

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Speaker 1: me reading the information about the holiday. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can just fake it, Like I feel like, even in

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Speaker 1: my October one in the back of my mind, I'm

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Speaker 1: not like I've like I just had a as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I was like it's in black and white him, and

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Speaker 1: then as I got older, they're like, no, the writing

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Speaker 1: is really good. And then I watched him like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you had a point, right. So that's my relationship with

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Speaker 1: twilight Zone. But I'm not gonna front like I'm a

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Speaker 1: super fand I never watched it growing up. I watched

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Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock Presents. I remember that that was also in

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Speaker 1: black and white, but I remember it like being primetime

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Speaker 1: viewing for something. Is that the one where he would

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Speaker 1: walk into his like yeah, a little bit on the side, yeah,

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Speaker 1: ut silhouette, Yeah yeah yeah. Well anyways, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien, a k my Anaconda. Don't want none unless

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Speaker 1: you're pro boer Sean. That is courtesy Ruthless Fudge at

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Speaker 1: Ruthless Spudge on Twitter, and I'm through to be joined

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Speaker 1: as always buy my co host, Mr Miles Gray, Miles

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Speaker 1: Gray Gay, the Blaze and visual artist your boy ko

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Speaker 1: Sama straight twisting Backwoods on Lankershon they called me Hideo NoHo,

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Speaker 1: get out my way. I'm here, Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Ippy to use something the kind of intro to I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to feel. I've had a song in my heart.

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Speaker 1: You know well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: in our third and fourth seats. Former Marvel entertainment lawyer,

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Speaker 1: current Big Law media attorney and an entertainment enthusiast who

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Speaker 1: hosts the podcast Better Call Paul, It's Mesh La Khani

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Speaker 1: and Paul Sarker. What's up? Hello, Hello, Hey guys, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Hey guys, thanks for having us, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for awesome to be here. We're taking tips on those intros.

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Speaker 1: That's uh, that's quite an intro, you guys have there.

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Speaker 1: You got any aks, you got any you got any

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Speaker 1: sing song? Word play on your names? Not off the top.

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Speaker 1: You can't put me on the spot like that. Ak

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Speaker 1: a John Mesh like John Tesh. That was what I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say. Yeah, well some people ak Mesh like

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Speaker 1: the shorts. Yeah, there you go, like the shows me

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Speaker 1: Marina like the Jamaicans wear that meshed tank top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that. Also, I think that's kid kid Marrows Aku. No,

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Speaker 1: he's the Mesh Marina with the cold miss meat or

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Speaker 1: cool demeanor and a flat forget it's been so long

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Speaker 1: since the art has come out. But anyway, another thing, subtle,

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Speaker 1: subtle shade. We're not just fans. Where are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Coming to us from NYC? And I heard of it

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Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, sir, the big Old Apple, I think,

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Speaker 1: h yeah, the Big Old Apple. Apple never sleeps well, actually,

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Speaker 1: you know it does sleep. I was out last night

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Speaker 1: with friends and we couldn't find anywhere to go to.

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Speaker 1: It was completely dead. So it sleeps on Mondays. There

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Speaker 1: you go, not in a good way. When I worked

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Speaker 1: for Diane Sawyer, I had to stake out the clubs

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Speaker 1: in the meatpacking district to interview young men about whether

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Speaker 1: they were using viagra as a party drug. And and

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Speaker 1: they they were like the clubs out until like four

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Speaker 1: and it, Yeah, it got pretty sleepy there for a

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Speaker 1: little while, and I was cold. But people were using

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Speaker 1: viagra as a party drug. Wait, so Jack, We're just

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Speaker 1: outside the club, like, hey, man, can I talk to

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Speaker 1: you really quick there? Like yeah, I mean I like

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Speaker 1: via a party What was the what was the answer

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Speaker 1: you're getting? They're like, no, it's called something else. Mostly

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Speaker 1: it was I would do you have some? And no,

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Speaker 1: this isn't that kind of Yeah, No, I'm here for

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Speaker 1: with ABC News. What bro leave me alone? Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the conceivable like what conceivable story

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Speaker 1: older people would think of. It's like, man, imagine if

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Speaker 1: it's doing this to me at fifty five, what are

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Speaker 1: blasting off to another planet, like Jack, go down there,

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Speaker 1: give me three words on this. Mike Nichols was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Diane, the stuff could work for a

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Speaker 1: one of the I think I think the viagra thing

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Speaker 1: might have been one of them. Another was called toothing,

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Speaker 1: which was where like you use bluetooth to just like

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Speaker 1: hit people up in randomly proposition the people around you

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Speaker 1: to see if they want to have sex. That actually

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Speaker 1: sounds like something that did exist. I think there was

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Speaker 1: an app that works. Yeah, yeah, and that's why we

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Speaker 1: spent a year looking into it and never never found anything.

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Speaker 1: People do that with the AirPods. Now, they'll they'll try

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Speaker 1: to connect to people's AirPods and and play some stuff

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Speaker 1: of an easier way for me to be like, oh cool,

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Speaker 1: what you just completely invaded my earspace. Oh you want

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Speaker 1: to have a cool, nice to meet you person who

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Speaker 1: has no boundaries. Well, Mesh and Paul, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to know you guys a little bit better in

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Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple

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Speaker 1: of the things that we're talking about. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, since that is you guys specialty, specifically streaming fatigue,

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Speaker 1: Is it real? Where where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: And then we are gonna talk about doctor Strange in

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Speaker 1: the Multitude of Madness. Mesh, I think you called it

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Speaker 1: that title. Like in another mold, in another multiverse, there

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Speaker 1: is a move movie called Multitude of Madness exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's there. There's many madnesses. I've I've specifically come out

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Speaker 1: but it does seem popular, uh, and the right is

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Speaker 1: while doing that. All that plenty Moore, But first, Mesh

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Speaker 1: and Paul, we do like to ask our guests, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about who

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Speaker 1: you are. So I'm kind of a nerd. I like

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Speaker 1: searched a lot about that. Um from Philly. I'm a

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Speaker 1: see who's thinking about this also, or who's who's seemingly

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Speaker 1: coming to an answer about like your question. That's something

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Speaker 1: I think of living in California with the drought and

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Speaker 1: for these answers? Well, you know, so I don't want

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Speaker 1: But on a daily basis, I think the hard part

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Speaker 1: the coast, then getting the access to that desalonized waters,

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Speaker 1: the hosts, but like, where's the infrastructure to move massive amounts?

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Speaker 1: How about you? Mesh? What what is uh? Something from

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Speaker 1: your search history? Helping my sister find dinner for ten

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Speaker 1: which is impossible, and you need a private dining room

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Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to find her something. I'm like, look,

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Speaker 1: And then we did the search and then I emailed

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, that's New York for you.

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Speaker 1: a kid, it was like you watched HBO has fucking

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Speaker 1: movies and then you watch TV shows here. But now

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Speaker 1: with every coming online with streaming, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing or a

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Speaker 1: bad thing that I'm sort of viewing everything through this

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Speaker 1: singular lens. But but yeah, I think the reason why

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Speaker 1: we even bring up the fatigue and stuff is obviously,

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Speaker 1: like when Netflix lost a bunch of those subscribers, Everyone's like,

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Speaker 1: what the fos is going on? And so many, like

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Speaker 1: the streaming world, felt like it was very Some were

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Speaker 1: high fiving, others were panicked. Yeah, Wall Street ship themselves

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Speaker 1: when they lost subscribers for the first time, and I

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Speaker 1: think people there were a lot of think pieces about

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Speaker 1: streaming fatigue, but it's definitely something I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: seems like when the pandemic hit, there's too little, and

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Speaker 1: then they overcompensated, and now there's too much, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like will we just will there be too

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Speaker 1: little again and then we'll all catch up on all

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Speaker 1: the stations eleven that we missed and all all the

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Speaker 1: great content that we missed her. But you guys, you

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Speaker 1: guys talk about the business event entertainment. What what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on on this kind of overall story. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think from a business perspective, this is

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Speaker 1: sort of how things EBB and flow. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: rewind you know to what you guys were talking about

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Speaker 1: ten years ago when it was basically just Netflix and

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Speaker 1: you know, people were watching a lot of linear television

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Speaker 1: and appointment viewing or whatever, you know, one show a

452
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Speaker 1: week and then you know, tune in at eight o'clock

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Speaker 1: and watch you know, next week. And Netflix was just

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Speaker 1: crushing everybody because they had a brand new business model.

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Speaker 1: There were no ads, you could binge things and that instantly,

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Speaker 1: you know, shifts every studio heads, every content executive focus

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Speaker 1: too or right now, how do we win at their game?

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Speaker 1: How do we compete in that arena? And there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of year leg when you sort of build out

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Speaker 1: your infrastructure, you get your talent team, you raise the capitol,

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Speaker 1: you start developing shows and and getting on intellectual property

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Speaker 1: to make a competitive offering. And then it usually overcorrect,

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Speaker 1: right because it's not like you just find the ideal

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Speaker 1: amount of content. It's like everyone jumps in and tries

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Speaker 1: to start competing, and then at a certain point the

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Speaker 1: pendulum swings back the other way, and then you have

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Speaker 1: content overload and then you know, as we saw with

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus, and you know, there's other streaming services that

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Speaker 1: are not going to be here, you know, a year

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Speaker 1: from now or two years from now, because that the

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Speaker 1: money isn't there, Like people can't have ten or fifteen

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Speaker 1: streaming services, and so it's gonna go back into some

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Speaker 1: form of consolidation at least that's what I think. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's this is just the process. Like everyone

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Speaker 1: sees the dollars and thinks, I wanna, you know, get

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Speaker 1: into this space, and then they commit a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of money. They probably overspend and um, they're chasing something

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Speaker 1: and hoping that they can get a piece of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you can. You can also compare it to

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Speaker 1: like not just streaming in the sense of content like

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Speaker 1: movies and TV pandemic. We have two years growth and

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Speaker 1: just generally a lot of places ran up like five

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Speaker 1: x more than it would run up and in a

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Speaker 1: two year span it would it was like the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of like five six seven years of growth in like

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Speaker 1: a twenty four months span. Obviously, like the zooms of

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Speaker 1: the world, the pelotons of the world, we've seen all

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Speaker 1: of those come come come down. Everything's correcting itself. So

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Speaker 1: I think there it's all just coming down to a

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Speaker 1: point of Look, this was a weird time. People were

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Speaker 1: doing more stuff. We're going back to almost regular life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at gym memberships. There was a point

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Speaker 1: in time when nobody wants to go to the gym.

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Speaker 1: We have Peloton. Now gym memberships are back up again.

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Speaker 1: People are like leaving their Peloton subscriptions, like I want

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Speaker 1: to go to a gym again. And so I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, to Paul's point, you're just seeing a general

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Speaker 1: correction of these things. And what's like I mean when

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Speaker 1: I would always look at just the amount of content

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Speaker 1: coming out because on some level, like it's somewhat sustainable

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Speaker 1: based on their subscriber growth and things like that, But

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Speaker 1: on another level, like I think the fatigue part. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that's anything that networks consider right, because on

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Speaker 1: some level, you see, like with Netflix, they have so

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Speaker 1: many shows, they'll put out a couple are the ones

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Speaker 1: that like really move the needle, and then like you

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Speaker 1: see like constantly then like a wave of cancelations. I'm

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Speaker 1: always looking at that. I'm like, is that good business

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Speaker 1: for them? Because we see we've heard about like you know,

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Speaker 1: the ups and downs of you know, the way they

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Speaker 1: spend money, And I'm always curious, I'm like, what is

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Speaker 1: the long term goal here? Because it's very it's from

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at purely as a consumer with a little

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Speaker 1: bit of like industry no how, but I'm I'm always

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Speaker 1: like thinking, like how do you keep doing this like

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Speaker 1: spending tons of money then being like, okay, we have

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Speaker 1: that was a bad investment, but then this thing we

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Speaker 1: spent a little bit of money ended up taking off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like how lucrative is it when a show like Squid

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Speaker 1: Game or the first season Stranger Things are like should

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Speaker 1: like that like just takes over the zeitgeist? Like is

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Speaker 1: that and like does that pay itself back? I'm like

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Speaker 1: they're like, all right, that covers all those other shows

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Speaker 1: that we made that nobody watched. It's it's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the question. I think it comes

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Speaker 1: down to stickiness, right, because if you were subscribing to

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Speaker 1: a service just for a show and then you cancel

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Speaker 1: when it's over and you wait till the next season

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Speaker 1: comes out to rejoin, then I don't know that it's

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Speaker 1: as lucrative. If you're someone that's sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to turn on Netflix. They've had a

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Speaker 1: show that I really liked a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cancel it and I'll just turn on,

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Speaker 1: turn it on and browse when I want to watch something.

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Speaker 1: Then that's great. Like if if you if a show

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Speaker 1: brings a lasting customer, then then it's awesome, especially if

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Speaker 1: it brings a ton of them. But I think one

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Speaker 1: of the things that you see in the in film

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Speaker 1: now is the proliferation of franchises, right, And so it's

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Speaker 1: like Fast and the Furious ten and thoor four and

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Speaker 1: thour or five, and and that's because you're basically like

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Speaker 1: you're starting You're not starting over from scratch, like you've

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Speaker 1: invested all this time building a fan base, telling about

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Speaker 1: you know, creating characters, making them familiar. You have merch

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00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: out there, and and so you just you don't want

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Speaker 1: lose that investment, so you keep going with the franchise.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think, at least to this point, like

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Speaker 1: Netflix is quick to cut debait on things and sort

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Speaker 1: of going in a a different direction. I guess they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of analytics that say, justify it from their perspective,

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Speaker 1: but I think you're right, like they haven't. And yes

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Speaker 1: they're stranger things and and maybe who knows what the

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Speaker 1: second season of squid Game is going to be like,

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00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: but there they are sort of like they put everything

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Speaker 1: behind their brands. It's all about Netflix, right, that was

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Speaker 1: the primary thing they were selling. And the shows we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be kind of fungible, and it's in a

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Speaker 1: more competitive competitive environment. I don't know if that strategy

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Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, proved to be ultimately successful. And

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Speaker 1: fungible a word that I know the meaning of. But

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Speaker 1: maybe our listeners don't, So why don't you explain what

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Speaker 1: that is? So it's it's more it's it's fungible, meaning

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Speaker 1: like interchangeable, right, So totally that's what I'm total it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I also wonder if this is a compounding problem,

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Speaker 1: right because now even if even if they bring it

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Speaker 1: back to like, okay, we're making a manageable amount of content,

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00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: like it feels like there's still like more places to

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Speaker 1: like see the content. There's like squid Game was not

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Speaker 1: the result of them having like a great farm system,

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Speaker 1: where like they're the Netflix writers hit this one out

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Speaker 1: of the park. They like found this show, like you know,

572
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: didn't pay that much for it. The creatives involved seemed

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Speaker 1: like kind of pissy like once once the media started

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00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: paying attention, they were like they didn't paying ship like

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Speaker 1: it was it was fine and it right that the case.

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Speaker 1: It took a long time. So I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: now now they're the other like kind of concerned I

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Speaker 1: would have with Netflix is that they do seem to

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Speaker 1: be like saying we are. But I think this is

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00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: a direct quote. Actually Red Hastings was like trying to

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Speaker 1: reassure everyone that Netflix had been through tough times before,

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Speaker 1: and that it would solve its problems. He said the

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Speaker 1: company was now super focused on getting back into our

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Speaker 1: investors good graces, and I feel like that's maybe not

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Speaker 1: the I don't like the This was around the time

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Speaker 1: that they started talking about and introducing an advertising model

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Speaker 1: and like cutting password sharing, and I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's gonna that's gonna do. It's like I

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Speaker 1: think just the unfortunate thing about public markets though, is

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Speaker 1: that they probably have a ten year plan of the

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Speaker 1: type of content they're gonna be making. You know, shows

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Speaker 1: that can be made really quickly, like selling Sunset that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people watch, two and Ozarks that takes

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Speaker 1: a long time to make, and that just concluded. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, they have to please investors on a

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Speaker 1: quarterly basis, and investors are not happy, especially in the

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Speaker 1: market like this. I think he just has to say

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Speaker 1: things that where it looked like, obviously, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, we're just going to continuously make great content.

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Speaker 1: It's very competitive right now. Um as the market corrects,

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00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, but it is generally like pretty competitive.

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Speaker 1: But I would say that Netflix then comes back in

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00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: and you got boom boom boom, show after show after show,

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Speaker 1: and I think just like without all the networks that

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Speaker 1: you find a little bit of the fatigue is really more,

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Speaker 1: it seems like on their side where it's like there's

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Speaker 1: a bit where Okay, my favorite show is not running,

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Speaker 1: like HBO, Max doesn't have Euphoria just finished, and you

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00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: know some of the other shows just finished, and now

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Speaker 1: we're kind of waiting for you know, what's the next

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Speaker 1: big show to pop up on there, and in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: you watch something on another network and another network and

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Speaker 1: another network. I also feel like their main strength is

614
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Speaker 1: supposed to be all the data they have on us

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Speaker 1: and like their ability to like dig into that figure

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Speaker 1: out like what people want, and then you know, create create,

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00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: like Phil flood the Zone with that and like now

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00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: there's a meme about doom scrolling Netflix and just you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not being able to find the thing that you

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Speaker 1: want or anything that's interesting to you. And I saw

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Speaker 1: a specific like complaint from somebody who's like, I'm a

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Speaker 1: horror fan and the things that they recommend to me

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Speaker 1: are always the conjuring and like, you know, the most

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Speaker 1: popular horror movies and like that I know that that

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Speaker 1: like wasn't initially what they were supposed to have, like

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Speaker 1: such a there was supposed to be able to like

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Speaker 1: flex their algorithm, and like you know, he was like

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Speaker 1: Netflix has deep cut horror movies like the old ways,

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Speaker 1: but those don't ever get recommended to me. I'm just

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Speaker 1: wondering if they could use some human curation, like a

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Speaker 1: maybe we've hit the like fail point of the Turing

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Speaker 1: test of Netflix is like algorithmic algorithmically generated like content

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Speaker 1: suggestion model, And like they why wouldn't you, I know,

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Speaker 1: they just like fired all of their editors who they were,

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Speaker 1: who they had hired, But like, why wouldn't you try

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Speaker 1: to build up you know the way that like Peloton

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Speaker 1: instructors had like a following and like people, you know,

638
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: there were memes about them and they were like, oh

639
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: this is the one that I love. Then you know

640
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: you should have like these people curating channels on Netflix

641
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: and you know, like like give give some humanity to

642
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: it rather than just a wall of fucking content. Good idea, right,

643
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: and they should hired me to do it. I like

644
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the mix. I like the mix of algorithm and curated

645
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I would I like your idea I think it's a

646
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: great idea. I think maybe should have um not given

647
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: it to them for free. Yeah, you know that's what

648
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: we do. We just give up brilliant stuff. We came

649
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: up with an old distressed malls that we take over

650
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: and we make them like nineties retro experiences. We've got

651
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of business ideas, Paul, like, you know we

652
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: give out for but yeah, that was one of the

653
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: better ones. The curated thing, and the curated thing I

654
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: think works. It's like I'm I'm always looking for like

655
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: there's a handful of people that like, oh you're like, hey,

656
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: someone recommended me, you know a show I trust their

657
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: judgment and shows I want to watch that. Ship. I

658
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: generally don't find the algorithm does anything for me, although

659
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: for my sister and my mom who are like obsessed

660
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: with k dramas for like now and my whole Netflix

661
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: now is just like they used my profile and so

662
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: it only recommends me. We're gonna give you an opportunity

663
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: to take that again. We don't want Netflix to hear

664
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: about that that you guys are sharing a past where

665
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna come from you. I don't know. We have

666
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: a family and ship down the outside of his family account,

667
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: multiple profiles, they just choose to use my profile each

668
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: that that is very frustrating. And now it's just it like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kate, look nothing against K dramas. I've just

670
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, I've never watched one. I've watched it in

671
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: passing with them, but now I need Curate. Now I

672
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: have no choice. K dramas are Korean dramas, like the

673
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: Korean soap Yeah, my wife that that is my wife,

674
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: like my wife's big guilty pleasure on her. They're popular,

675
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: They're very popular, Yeah, they are. We don't have the

676
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: thing that is like just right in between, you know,

677
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: like primetime you know dramas actually like almost HBO dramas,

678
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: and then like fucking soap operas, like just the lowest

679
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: of the low soap operas, and they are just churning

680
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: that ship out right at that level. It's like fifty

681
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of each and they're they're crushing it. Well, I think

682
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: what also not on the Apple TV, but I've seen

683
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: on like the Samsung TVs they put like the top

684
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: ten and AND's some different regions or whatever. I actually

685
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: find that to be the most useful, like you know,

686
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: not their recommendations like, just tell me what the top

687
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: ten is. I'll probably watch something within that. What are

688
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: the most popular shows that everybody else is watching, which

689
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: is kind of curated to some degree, Like okay, like

690
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I'll go I'll watch that, you know, I'll take a

691
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: look at it. I don't know why that is, Poppa.

692
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean they know about the idea of like the curation.

693
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Xbox game passes apparently very good at this. Like gamers

694
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: say that they have like a curated selection of games,

695
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: and they're like pulling hidden gems out that people really value,

696
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: Like people are like, oh ship, Like you guys are

697
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: really nailing this. So it makes it easy to interact

698
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: with new stuff when it's put in front of you

699
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: in like limited quantities, not like your seven hundred free games.

700
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: This one. It's like here the fucking five we think

701
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: are good. And I think like even to what you're saying, Imatine,

702
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: like even Jack, like we we all kind of say

703
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the same thing, and I'm probably saying for you, Paul's

704
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: like you kind of need like these three or four

705
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: friends to tell you to watch something, and then that

706
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: you hit the tipping point, you're like, Okay, now I'll

707
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: do it because We're already an environment where it's like

708
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: there's already a few shows I don't need prompting or

709
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: encouragement to go see, Like seldom is like oh when

710
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: that's out, I'm watching it, And if it is, it's

711
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: usually trash reality TV. But other than that, like good

712
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: stuff I need like Anna, I need Jack, I need

713
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: my other couple other friends of people to suggest something,

714
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, okay, that's the We've reached

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the suggestion typic. I think, you know, I think Euphoria

716
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: was a good example of this where I know Euphoria

717
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: most people started that I you started watching and started

718
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: watching it in season two and started telling people about it,

719
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: and I started paying attention to it on TikTok because

720
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: it was like all these scenes that would pop up

721
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: on TikTok. I had no idea what the show was.

722
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: It just looked kind of like, you know, dark and

723
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: fucked up, and then you would hear the soundtrack with

724
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: like Labyrinth constantly, and then over this period of time,

725
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: like season two comes out, boom, everyone I know is

726
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: watching it. It's just like it's like the word of

727
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: mouth phenomenon, especially with social um and I think Euporia

728
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Speaker 1: was like, now what, it's like one of the biggest

729
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Speaker 1: shows um in the US or I don't know about

730
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: the world, but it's definitely one of the biggest shows

731
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: in the US. There was another, uh strategically questionable decision

732
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Speaker 1: Netflix made where they like turned off the ability of

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Speaker 1: screen capit and it was like they like, all right,

734
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Speaker 1: you know what our issue is. I know people are

735
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Speaker 1: concerned about the subscriber numbers, but I think our problem

736
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: is that we're too cool, and we're like we need

737
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: to be just like way less cool and let let

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Speaker 1: fewer people share pass where it's fewer memes about our content.

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00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: So if you trend screen capital or just be a

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00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: black screen and yeah, just drilled down on those things.

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Posts and well everybody loves ads though, that's the thing

742
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: you have to understand. I'd pay more for ads the

743
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: but with like as we as we are like hitting

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00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: this like peak content world, I just feel like there's

745
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: I I am so reliant on recommendations, like Miles was saying,

746
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: and there's we're split between so many different things. I

747
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: feel like it's going to be harder and harder to

748
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: generate those Like I guess Severance was the last one

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00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: that like really seemed to I think my thresholds like

750
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: five six people recommending it. I think people want I

751
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: think there's need for more. I think there's a supply

752
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: issue here. Like I think we just want more good ship.

753
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: It takes us a while to get into it. Once

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00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: we're into it. It's like I keep hearing about slow Horses.

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00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: One more person tells me about slow Horses, I'm gonna

756
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: watch it, you know. One more person tells me about Severance.

757
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: I will watch it. Those are two shows I haven't

758
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: seen yet, but now more and more people recommend it.

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00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Slow Horses the very first thing committed to film where

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00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: the guys riding a horse and whether whether his feet

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: leave the ground. Even when you said that, I'm like, slow,

762
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: Like maybe I guess maybe I get the name rock.

763
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: It's the some detective show, spy fiction. Slow Horses. Uh yeah,

764
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I mean this is a real show. But again, I'm like,

765
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm so overwhelmed by the amount of thing that's so

766
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess, like what you're saying is there's

767
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: if there isn't a demand issue, there's a supply issue.

768
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. Maybe because I don't have

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the same like blocks of space to like consistently consume

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00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: many shows. Um or I don't know. I think I

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00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: want to say it's many. I think it's like that

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00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: one show. It's not like multiple shows. It's like, what

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00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: is the show you want to spend your time on? Now? Okay,

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00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: it hasn't hit me yet. I'm just gonna wait for

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00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: the next one. So I saw a headline about slow

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00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: horses and then I just heard you mention it. Now

777
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take nine more people to mention. But

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00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: I am at the point. And this is how I

779
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: know content fatigua is real. For me that when you

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00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: just said that, I got a little bit mad at you.

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00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Come the fuck on slow horses? It was like, the

782
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: fuck got a great cast. It's got a great cast. Yeah, like, yeah,

783
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: of course we should do group doing together and make

784
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: a judgment. I don't know what you guys think that.

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00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: There's also, like, you know, people can do social events

786
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: again where they couldn't really do that for a year

787
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: a year and a half. Like there's concerts and you

788
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: can go to live sporting events, and I've been doing

789
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: a lot more of that the past couple of months.

790
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: So that also adds to it, like March, April, June. Whatever.

791
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: All you can do is stream, right, and now you

792
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: can do more stuff. The movies that are coming out

793
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: are great, like the Top Gun movies coming out. I

794
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: don't know for some reason, the top of the fact

795
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: of the Top Gun movies finally coming out. I'm like, WHOA,

796
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: movies are back, baby, and it's advertised I'll over the NBA.

797
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: So that might be is that trailer must like that

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00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: trailer was like originally pre COVID. I think that came

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Speaker 1: out right. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll

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00:43:45,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: come back and talk about the Multiverse of Madness and

801
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: we're back. Did you guys see Doctor Strange too? That?

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00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: Do we have the number? Right? It is to Yeah,

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00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: I went and saw it, Paul, Did you see it yet?

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00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: I have not seen it yet. Definitely see it. You

805
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: used to you. I know you're a lawyer at Marvel.

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00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: What what was sort of what what kind of things

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00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: are you doing over there? I was doing a lot

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00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: of different things. I was doing business affairs, so actor, writer,

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00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: director deals for the films and television shows. I was

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00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: doing all the production legal on the film. So like

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Speaker 1: basically from pre production, production, post production, all those different

812
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: agreements like location agreements, equipment, um VFX, everything like anything

813
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: to think of travel, even booking the private jets for

814
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: the talent that didn't want to fly first class or whatever.

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00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: So there's like a separate group at Disney that did that.

816
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: I did corporate stuff, real estate, random stuff, merchandise license,

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00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: thousands of license agreements for you know, putting Spider Man

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00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: on backpacks and T shirts and stuff like that. So

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00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: really I was there for it was six years. I

820
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: did a ton of different things. So you yeah, you

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Speaker 1: were there. It's heaviest period. Yeah, I was there from

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00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: if you want to Iron Man Too coming out being

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Speaker 1: released to uh cap Civil War going into pre production.

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Speaker 1: Basically like that's great. So what this movie is significant

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00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: from a like licensing perspective, right, because isn't there like

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00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: X Men crossovers happening in this one? Yeah? So this

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Speaker 1: is the first. Uh So Kevin five you for those

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Speaker 1: that don't know, is the kind of the creative head

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Speaker 1: of the Marvel Cinematic universe, and he actually got his

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00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: start working on Superman and I think X Men films

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Speaker 1: which were licensed out. So for a long time, the

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00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: film rights to the X Men characters, who who are

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00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: Marvel comic characters were controlled by Fox, and Disney bought

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Speaker 1: Fox a cup years ago, so now Disney, who owns Marvel,

835
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: and Fox are under the same corporate umbrella. So now

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00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: the Marvel creative team can use the X Men and

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00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange too. Is the first movie where they're able

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00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: to sort of freely incorporate them, right that makes sense? Yeah? Yeah,

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00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: So mash what what What are your thoughts how they do?

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00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: From a fan perspective, I thought it was a fun movie.

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00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: I thought it was a blast. I went in there

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00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: didn't have much expect I tried not to watch many

843
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: of the trailers because I didn't want spoilers because, honestly, man,

844
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: of these trailers, now I get it, you're trying to

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00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: get people in theaters, but they just give you all

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00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: the surprises and it ruins the whole movie. Yeah, because

847
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Speaker 1: I heard Patrick Stewart's voice in a trailer and I

848
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: was like what, yeah, and it's like and then you know,

849
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: and like I won't say with you any other spoilers,

850
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: but you know, especially with like fandom now, like people

851
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: are like leaking stuff and it's like just go and

852
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: enjoy the movie, have some fun. This is the first

853
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: time I went to normal we go to an Imax

854
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: in Midtown, but we went to our local man. Buddy

855
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and I went to our local Williamsburg cinema, which was

856
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: a lot of fun because people were like yelling at

857
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: the screen and it was clapping. Honestly fun movie. I

858
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: thought the interesting thing about the movie besides um, you know,

859
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: some interesting character developments, was that it really shows Disney

860
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: and Paul and I talked about this recently on our

861
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: show where we talked about the like the the master

862
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: planning of Disney Plus and how if you haven't watched

863
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: Wan Division or what if going into the movie, you're

864
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: watching it after because you need context one way or

865
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: the other. You need to watch the Disney Plus context

866
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: at the content that gives you context for the movies.

867
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: And it's I mean to design it in a way

868
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: like that. Just from a business perspective and a content perspective.

869
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I just think it's pretty cool, right. It makes sense

870
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: that you have like it's truly all many people consume.

871
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: It's like I can get all of my like Marvel

872
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Jolly's like, yeah, pretty much here. But the flip side

873
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: of that though, is like, and this is my wife's issue,

874
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: is like I can't watch fifteen hours worth of stuff

875
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: to go see a movie with you anything, right, Yeah. Yeah,

876
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: I only really watched the movies occasionally, and I feel

877
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: like I can pick up on what's happening most of

878
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: the time, and that's not really necessarily like I can

879
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of intuit it. But yeah, I think that's my

880
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: design too, though. I think it's like they just give

881
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: you enough where if you're new, they still want like

882
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: a new person to come in and be able to

883
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: watch it. But to Paul's point, um, yeah, I mean

884
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: it is a lot you have to just kind of

885
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: watch it, like I watch it when it comes out,

886
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not catching up right before the movie. Like, hey, Paul,

887
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: have you watched like thirty hours of these shows so

888
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: you can go to the movie? You have to go

889
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: to the YouTube. Yeah, he's got you know, four in

890
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: the morning, he's still doing contract negotiations and stuff, and

891
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there telling about how Great Moon Night is. Alright,

892
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: So I don't want spoilers. I don't want to ask

893
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: you like how strange is doctor or how madness the

894
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: multiverse is. But um, so on. One thing that's happening

895
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: in the discourse just constantly, like now with everything, is

896
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: that the I guess the right is claiming this movie

897
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: is like, uh, this one has a woman who's bad

898
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: and we are the party of misogyny. I think they're

899
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: just like openly like that's us now. Um so yeah,

900
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: there we go, We're team this movie. Also, Sam Ramy

901
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: apparently like donated to George W. Bush and may have

902
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: been a Trump supporter, but we don't know the details

903
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: of that. But some of the arguments around this actually

904
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: like bring up interesting stuff. I don't I don't think

905
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting to be like this movie is wholly bad

906
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: or wholly good, or that it is this movie it's dangerous.

907
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: Like it's a movie. It needs to have interesting ideas

908
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: in it for me to like watch it and then

909
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: think about it later. And it does seem like there's

910
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: a trend of the bad guys in Marvel movies having

911
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: compelling points of view that are like I remember that

912
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: from the First Avengers when like Loki came through and

913
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: like you know, he like ultimately he's about like fascism

914
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: and authoritarianism, but like he put it in a way

915
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: that I was like, that was like, I don't know,

916
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: are they trying to get people on board with with

917
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: what he's saying? Like they did. They did a good

918
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: job writing him in a way that like I feel

919
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: like other past previous superhero movies might not have done.

920
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: But now people are pointing out that like Thanos quotes

921
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of like environmentalism like talking points, kill Monger

922
00:50:54,160 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: like is explicitly associated with the like militant American Black

923
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Panther Party, and people are like it is Marvel like

924
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: trying to send an overall message that, like, you know,

925
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: the the Avengers are here to like bring things back

926
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: to a safe status quo. I don't think that means.

927
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting conversation without saying like, so

928
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: don't see these movies. You know, Miles, did you you

929
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: you objected to my my take the Loki had some

930
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: interesting things to say. No, it's just it's I think

931
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, partially like writing right old superhero

932
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: films was always like here's good guy and here's bad guy.

933
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Don't fucking worry about this full backstory. He's fucking bad,

934
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: and don't worry, Superman is gonna beat the ship. Out

935
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: of him. For you, it was like kind of like

936
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: the energy we took into it, and then over time

937
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: like there was this you know, there's more nuance to

938
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: writing like characters we think are bad or evil, you know,

939
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: and giving them a little more depth or texture. And

940
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: I think part of that does end up being like

941
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: how do we this guy who has some really problematic

942
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: ideas about the world more relatable because then we're kind

943
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: of pulling out that there that this isn't just like

944
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: a very one dimensional evil character. But I think on

945
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: the other side of that coin is someone who is

946
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: like not really thinking very critically will be like, yep,

947
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: exactly that part, dude, and therefore funk everybody who believes

948
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: the environmental talking points or that like eternal growth is unsustainable.

949
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: I think was one of the things Stan has talked about.

950
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: But also think of how many how many memes from

951
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: conservatism far right wing figures involve the m c U.

952
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, like this is very popular stuff that everyone

953
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: is watching and for whatever, I mean, I think it's

954
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: like when it's just I don't know, maybe if it's

955
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: like a Rorschach test that like any of these people

956
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: just look at it like and this is how I

957
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: can make it a thing to reinforce my world. But

958
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't, I don't. I'm necessarily I

959
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's a concerted effort, but who knows. I mean,

960
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, more sinister things have happened, so you know

961
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: whether the comparison of social commentary political categories, like everybody

962
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: wants to claim something or get creative with it. I

963
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: mean ship when I was in college. First year in college,

964
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: we had like writing classes on you know how X

965
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: TV show is compared to like this historical event and

966
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: you have to write about it and almost come up

967
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: with creative ways to like compare the two. I'm sure

968
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: there's some like old school, there's you know, inspiration and right,

969
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: certain characters. I think the interesting thing that we see

970
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: now that either people want to claim something politically, but

971
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: in the case of these characters, I think one it

972
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: seems that there's a conscious effort to be like, Okay,

973
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: the world we live in now is to be more

974
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: inclusive too. By the way, there's multiple like you know,

975
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: they introduced this whole concept of variants, like there's different

976
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: versions of the same person. So the one villain could

977
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: actually be a good version in a different world. And

978
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually being pushed to cover

979
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: all these potential like historic tracts of writing. But yeah,

980
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean I think if you want, anyone could watch

981
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: these movies and these characters and claim it in however

982
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: way they would want. Would be my opinion on it.

983
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: You could flip it either way. Paul, you were at Marvel,

984
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: was there? Did you ever have to like do a

985
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: licensing deal with like Green Peace to be like, you

986
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be our bad guys in this next movie. No,

987
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an interesting question. We uh, I think listen,

988
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: there are there are relationships you don't want to uh

989
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: influence negatively, right, So for example, you know, it's a

990
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: business at the end of the day. I think people

991
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: have to read like they're not trying to necessarily make

992
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: a cultural statement. If they can, great, but like the

993
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: objective is to maximize revenue, maximize merchandise sales. Uh. And

994
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: so you know there's a time and I'm not gonna

995
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: say whether it was Marvel, but there are studios right

996
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: that before they finalize the script, they'll have a pre

997
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: screening where executives from Walmart or Target or whoever will

998
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: come in and watch and say, Okay, well maybe I

999
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: could fit this many toys in my in my aisle,

1000
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: right or I like this part of it. And so

1001
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a commercial element, I think, which

1002
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: which drives a lot of this. Uh. And I think

1003
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: the ror check test, uh that that that that idea

1004
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: that you know, people will make of it what they will, right,

1005
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll take cues because I think the idea

1006
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: is to sort of hit it close to the middle,

1007
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: not really offend anyone, maximize revenue, make a statement if

1008
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: you can, but that's not really the objective. And on

1009
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: the black Panther side, I mean I thought I left

1010
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: that movie Rest in Peace Chad with Boseman thinking kill

1011
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Monger was the best character, right, Like he not that

1012
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I necessarily resonated with him, but he was like an

1013
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: awesome guy and I didn't. I mean, his politics, as

1014
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: his vendetta, his anger were kind of all justified given

1015
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: the background and what he sort of went through growing up.

1016
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I think you could look at it

1017
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: and say that he was glorified in a lot of ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1018
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: I guess I guess it's that that's a really good point.

1019
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 1: And like the reading of this that I disagree with.

1020
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: That's like Marvel is bad because they're the good guys

1021
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: in that are you know, conservative is like, well, they're

1022
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: making movies with like interesting ideas in them being played

1023
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: by our most charismatic actors, you know, like Michael B.

1024
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: Jordan's and then yeah, like the bad guys are like

1025
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: where where to put the fun stuff? Like Keith Ledger's

1026
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: Joker Hans Gruber to my favorite. Yeah, well, I root

1027
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: for them to be on on screen more. And like,

1028
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, part they don't have to make sense, Like

1029
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: the fact that they're on screen only to like pop

1030
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: up say something badass and then like kill someone makes

1031
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: it a much easier character to write and be awesome

1032
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: and be cool, and and like the fact as long

1033
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: as they're you know, philosophy sounds badass, Like it doesn't

1034
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: need to hold together. Like the fact that the Joker

1035
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: is an agent of chaos and also has the most

1036
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: meticulously planned like just forty parts schemes you know, constantly

1037
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: swirling around him. It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't

1038
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: have to because it's just like how antagonists work in movies.

1039
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: But vergence of the anti hero, right, Like we just

1040
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: generally like those weird characters that are like the dead

1041
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: Pools through Wolverines, like a Don Draper, Like they're likable

1042
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: but not likable Bain. We like like these characters. Yeah,

1043
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: he made really high pitched voices. Fucking awesome. Man. You man,

1044
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: that's so interesting about the movies having to go through

1045
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: like a a focus group of executives, because anytime I've

1046
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: been involved with the creative project that needs to be

1047
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: focus grouped by a brand, it's not good for the ye.

1048
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: The notes are usually pretty pretty wild. So I don't

1049
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: know that that explains something. Well, what'd you say, like

1050
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: that is the benefit of Marvel is just Kevin Figi

1051
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: is it can he's an executive, but he's also like

1052
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: the creative vision behind it also, like he can make

1053
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: both decisions. Yeah, exactly. Like And I'm not suggesting that

1054
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: it was Marvel or that there would be like a

1055
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: complete rewrite at the you know, behest of a corporate

1056
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: executive for Walmart. I'm just saying that, you know, on

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Speaker 1: the margins, maybe there's a thumb on the scale. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, if you could fit this this, you know,

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00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: this gun or this toy gun, whatever would sell really well.

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Speaker 1: Or oh, it's get another shot of this hammer in

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00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: here a little bit longer because we're gonna make this

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: plush hammer or that whatever that has growth or hammer

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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: that was sold out forever. I mean, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: like on in the margins, that could that could be

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Speaker 1: a part of it, but it's not. I don't I

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Speaker 1: gets driving anyone's like creatively. And I also don't think

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Speaker 1: that you know, if if Kevin are a creative exactly

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Speaker 1: we're like, no, I don't want to you know, focus

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Speaker 1: on this or feature this this piece of merchandise, then

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it. But ultimately, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: cooks in the kitchen. The creative head is going to

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Speaker 1: have final say. But it's and to to Miles point

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: that these stories are a lot more nuanced than they

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Speaker 1: were twenty years ago because you're making three of them

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Speaker 1: a year or four of them a year, and there

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00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred million dollar budgets, so they can't

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00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: just be uh, you know, very plain vanilla anymore. Right, Yeah, yeah, me,

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00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: because they were so formulate, and I think that maybe

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Speaker 1: the reason why people even began to crave an anti

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Speaker 1: heroo more is because I felt like our the good

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00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: guy bad guy buying arey became so formulaic. They're like,

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Speaker 1: here we go, inciting incident. The bad guy came to town.

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00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Now the good guys got to figure it out. And

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00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: then in the final battle, he's gonna lose real bad

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00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and then he's gonna pull it out

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01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: at the end. And I think the ebb and flow

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: of that may have gotten a little bit stale. And

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01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: I think why even like, even like James Bond, when

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig started playing James Bond, like they were even like,

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of fucked up, you know. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, I like this. As a younger viewer,

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: I was like, this is dope, because this this, this

1093
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: is what exactly I don't like to see these people

1094
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: is just like I feel nothing. I do everything the

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: same every day. I kill people. Plenty of women's lives

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: are lost because of my actions, and I'm fine the

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01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: narial disease, right, but I am blonde hair, now what

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: the fuck? Yeah? But I mean I think all those

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Speaker 1: things kind of come together and begin to sort of

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01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: shape all those things, and I think to the what

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Speaker 1: you're saying about brands coming in and looking at things

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Speaker 1: of course, like these are all these are all revenue

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: generating endeavors. And even like we've talked about in the past,

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Speaker 1: Jack about how the Pentagon can even get involved with

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: things when you equipment that like, yeah, sometimes they will

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01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: have real notes um to to weigh in because of

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01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, there there's a there's a relationship there. But

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Speaker 1: I think, uh yeah, looking at all of those things together,

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: it's you kind of get a better understanding of like, well,

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Speaker 1: is it so sinister? Is it more just like no,

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: we kind of got to make it sort of nebulous,

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Speaker 1: so the most amount of people come and say they

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Speaker 1: like it and continue to like it. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: up until very recently, like the Pentagon was still like

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: top Gun is still our best recruiting tool, like has

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: has been, continues to be is and now they have

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Speaker 1: a sequel coming out and war were they fighting? They weren't.

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Speaker 1: It was just it was like unnamed bad guy, this

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Speaker 1: is this is a hot Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, this

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Speaker 1: has been. It's been really fun having you on Paul

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: Paul where you can people find you, follow you, hear

1122
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: you all that good stuff, so better called Paul. The

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Speaker 1: podcast is Instagram. Uh, and then it's PAULA say hi,

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01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: Lola is my email and the podcast is better called Paul.

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know where you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, Stitcher,

1126
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: you name it. We've never had anyone give their email

1127
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: or people just able to hit you up. We have

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01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: we have an email so they can hit Paul's specific

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01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, damn? All right, you have some curious,

1130
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: curious listeners about your time there. Uh, Mesh, how about you? Yeah, no,

1131
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: check out the podcast better called Paul. I'm at Mesh

1132
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: Lakhani on Twitter and uh, always happy to engage with

1133
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: folks and really appreciate you guys having a son. This

1134
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. Yes, fun. Conversations are great,

1135
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Speaker 1: very very informed. And is there a tweet or some

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Speaker 1: of the work of social media you guys have been enjoying.

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: I actually had a couple here um that I took

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: down that I found a good one today. Did not notice.

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01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: I felt like an idiot when I read this, but

1140
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: someone wrote, I've been on Twitter since two thousand nine.

1141
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm just now realizing the home button is a birdhouse.

1142
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: I laughed out loud because that did not occur to

1143
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: me until today. Um. And then uh, yeah, I know

1144
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: there's another one of someone said there will never be

1145
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: another product that inspires me so much, that inspires so

1146
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: much envy and me as the original iPod did back

1147
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: in two thousand one, and it was just like a

1148
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: picture of it, and I thought that was actually cool

1149
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: because it was so innovative. And since then, you know,

1150
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: like things have gotten a little boring. But yeah, man,

1151
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: those are two tweets that I found today that the

1152
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: other one is really about bear markets and stuff. But

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Speaker 1: I won't bore everybody with that ship. And they they

1154
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: just discontinue the iPod, right, that was the big, big

1155
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: news that what happened. Oh, I didn't even realize that.

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know they sold iPods anymore. So I

1157
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: just thought I thought it all became an iPod touch

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: at a certain point. Yeah, exactly, and they just can't

1159
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: didn't discontinue to touch. Yeah, I think they're discontinuing all

1160
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: you were not allowed to say the word iPod anymore,

1161
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: but please Yeah, now you have to buy a new

1162
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: phone that has a head foot jack headphone jack from

1163
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: your old headphones that just did not work. And then

1164
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: now we have to buy another that their real troll movies.

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01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: It's going to have the headphone jack from the first

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01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: iPod that had a remote on the thing. So it

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: was like that like three and a half million being

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: plus like a circular thing to send the data for

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Speaker 1: the remote. That's how they're gonna suck us. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. But I got mine on deck. Miles, where

1171
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: Man find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.

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01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: That's great with an A. And also, if you like basketball,

1174
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: check out the basketball show Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties.

1175
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: It's an NBA podcast official. You know they decided to

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: get in get involved with two rapscallions like us. And

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Speaker 1: also if you like a trash reality check out my

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: other show for twenty day Fiance. Uh. Some tweets that

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Speaker 1: I like. First one is from a m E Chopper

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: at Melick tom Is tweeted this buzz light your this

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: buzz light. You're moving going to be good until you

1182
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: got to do an origin story for Woody and we

1183
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: find out he was a slave overseer at a cotton

1184
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: plantation in Antebellum, Texas. Uh. And this one another one

1185
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: is from g cush Baby tweeted a party, but everyone

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Speaker 1: brings potatoes prepared a different way. Yeah. I like that. Well,

1187
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: we we know that what the difference between the fries

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01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: between Miles and Paul are gonna be yea rare the

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Speaker 1: other is gonna be or like I'll take an old

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Speaker 1: Plato thing, like the old McDonald's plato potatoes in it

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: and just be like, here're the fries. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter, Jack Underscore Brian to tweet up and

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: enjoying Paris at so hilarious. Hilton tweeted me having remembered

1194
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: girls like it when you asked them questions what's your problem?

1195
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: And uh and then just gotta give it up, Mariam

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01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: Posner giving it up for footnotes, reading a book with

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01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: footnotes instead of and notes and sorry, haters, it's so

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01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: much better, It's true. Yeah. So from now on, we

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Speaker 1: will be just doing the citations in the episode right

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Speaker 1: right when we read from an article, well, I will

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Speaker 1: be reading off the U R L. Yes, the text

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Speaker 1: http dot com and then what the fell tweeted on

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Speaker 1: a lot of things, But first and foremost, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Taco Bell customer. And oh and Skyler Higley tweeted, the

1205
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Speaker 1: star spangled banner sounds like it was made up on

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Speaker 1: the spot and oh say can you see it? Sounds

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Speaker 1: like yeah, put on the spot real early in the morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the uh. You can find us on Twitter at

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: Daily's like guys were at the Daily's like guys on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have Facebook fan page and a website, Daily zi

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Speaker 1: guys dot com, where we post our episodes. On our

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Speaker 1: foot notes, we link off to the information that we

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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song

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Speaker 1: that we think you might enjoy. Myles, what song do

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Speaker 1: we think people might enjoy? Oh, let's go out on

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite producers from Australia, Taku And this

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Speaker 1: is a track called make You Want To And it's

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Speaker 1: just good dancy sample based beats. Uh. You should like them.

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Speaker 1: They're good and a taco in general check if you're

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Speaker 1: not familiar with tacu. Uh. Really great artists can't recommend

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Speaker 1: him enough? All right? Well, The Daily Zey Guys is

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Speaker 1: a production of my Heart Radio. From more podcasts from

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Speaker 1: Podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows. That is

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Speaker 1: going to do it for us this morning. We're back

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Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we

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Speaker 1: will talk to you all then by