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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of The Clay and Buck Show kicks off

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: We've got a stack show for you today.

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Speaker 2: Clay out in sunny California, Buck down in sunny South Florida.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the weather's nice wherever you are across the country,

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Speaker 2: but this is not a weather show. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get into the politics here. Got some great guests coming up.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma Governor Kevin stint on the role that his state

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Speaker 2: would be willing to play in helping the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: with the law and order policy of deportations.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that.

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Speaker 2: Bridge Colby, co founder of the Marathon Initiative. He's going

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Speaker 2: to talk to us about why would Biden. We haven't

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Speaker 2: discussed this yet on the show. Why would Biden approve?

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Speaker 2: And first of all, that Biden is approving anything Clay

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Speaker 2: is a problem. Like we all understand this right that

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Speaker 2: Biden's judgment on matters of truly war and peace is

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Speaker 2: something that we are still subject to, considering even Democrats.

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Speaker 2: He's got cognitive issues. Very polite way of saying that

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Speaker 2: guy's got, you know, senility, dementia. It just seems like

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Speaker 2: an outrage to me. But anyway, he is still technically

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Speaker 2: the commander in chief. We'll certainly get a reminder of

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Speaker 2: that when he pardons Hunter coming up here in just

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Speaker 2: a matter of weeks, and he has said that Ukraine

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Speaker 2: is authorized now to use US long range missiles to

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Speaker 2: strike inside of Russia. That seems like something that the

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Speaker 2: Russians are going to pay attention to and not react

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Speaker 2: favorably to. We'll discuss with Bridge why that is also

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Speaker 2: just for fun, We'll get back to the backlash to

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Speaker 2: the Morning Joe backwards walking, as in going towards Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump the Democrats. As much as we found it hilarious

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Speaker 2: and pathetic, a lot of left wingers are outraged that

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Speaker 2: you could go from he's hitler to maybe we should

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Speaker 2: have a cappuccino in like ten days. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think people recognize that is that's a little you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, you know, I've got brothers. Occasionally

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Speaker 2: my brothers and I will argue about something, but it

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Speaker 2: never goes to you're a hitler, you know, like there's

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Speaker 2: something weird going on here. Anyway, We'll discuss that because

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Speaker 2: I think that's also indicative of where the where the

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Speaker 2: media is falling apart right now. They don't know where

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Speaker 2: to go. They're having more and more actual conservatives on CNN.

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Speaker 2: They have asked me to go on. I don't know

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Speaker 2: should I go on, Clay, I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: My question for you, first of all, yes, I think

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Speaker 3: it would be great advertising for the show. I think

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Speaker 3: it would be good for you as the book release

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Speaker 3: eventually gets closer and closer. My question for you about

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Speaker 3: you going on CNN is are you required to travel

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Speaker 3: to New York to sit in studio or can you

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Speaker 3: do it remotely as a guest, Like, how does that

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Speaker 3: process play out?

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Speaker 1: I'd have to ask, I'd have to find out. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you know.

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Speaker 2: I'll start, I'll respond to their very polite inquiries.

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Speaker 1: And say, what are we really talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Because if it's gonna be I think that's indicative of

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Speaker 3: the major vibe shift that is underway though, Buck. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there is a full on panic inside of CNN, MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: New York Times, Washington Post about what do we do

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Speaker 3: for the next four years? And they want more voices

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Speaker 3: of rationality, which I take as a good sign at

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Speaker 3: least at a minimum. I mean I made when I

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Speaker 3: was doing solo radio, Clay, I was very open, especially

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Speaker 3: during the COVID years. COVID era about my disdain for

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Speaker 3: the way that Jeff Zucker ran that entity, and I

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Speaker 3: only reason Brian Stelter had a show was because he

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Speaker 3: looked kind of like Jeff Zucker, so he figured, well,

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Speaker 3: that guy's super handsome.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm shocked.

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Speaker 2: I used to I used to trash CNN like there's

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Speaker 2: no tomorrow, and now they're like, hey, may look if

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Speaker 2: they want to be reasonable, they want to have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm reasonable.

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Speaker 2: They weren't being reasonable, so I was given it to

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Speaker 1: But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're going to have a change of although I

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Speaker 2: very much doubt it. Don't You don't have to send

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Speaker 2: me the emails like they're not changing. I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: but maybe we can slap them around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Clay the big fights though right now, in a way,

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Speaker 2: we also have some criminal justice stuff to get to

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Speaker 2: We've got some of our team in midtown. The Daniel

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Speaker 2: The prosecution has rested. That's that's certainly a discussion to have.

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Speaker 2: The fights over confirmation and deportation. Those are the two

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Speaker 2: and getting Trump's people in place through confirmation.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing more over, Matt, You know, people have just

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Speaker 2: like Berenson came on Clay and he said, oh no,

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior is more upsetting to the machine than Gates.

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Speaker 2: I think Gates has got them more upset. Actually, I

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Speaker 2: think Gates is the one that's getting the most attention.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into this, and maybe a good way to

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Speaker 2: start this Clay is the hush money case.

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Speaker 1: Remember that in New York City.

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Speaker 2: So today Judge Mrchan decided that they are going to

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Speaker 2: in They're going to indefinitely adjourn without without setting when

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Speaker 2: the sentencing will be because Judge Murchan has to take

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Speaker 2: into account how the Supreme Court's ruling on immunity factors

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Speaker 2: into Trump's prosecution. I don't think they're ever even going

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Speaker 2: to get to sentencing on this Clay. I think this

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Speaker 2: case is dead, which brings up a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: other issues, like you prosecuted a president for the first

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Speaker 2: time ever for felonies that were such a joke that

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Speaker 2: even after you got a preposterous conviction, you're not going

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Speaker 2: to see it through.

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Speaker 3: This, I think we predicted that this would happen. You've

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Speaker 3: already seen it happened even quicker than I anticipated that.

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Speaker 3: Jack Smith said, hey, this case is federally are done,

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Speaker 3: but until you are sentenced, the conviction doesn't really officially exist.

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Speaker 3: And so I think the Trump felony convictions that Alvin

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Speaker 3: implications of the Supreme Court presidential power ruling had to

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Speaker 3: implicate state court cases as well. And I understand sometimes

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Speaker 3: General rule again, there are exceptions, but general rule is

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Speaker 3: And so if there is no federal case that can

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Speaker 3: When there's a conflict. Again, that's going into the weeds

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Speaker 3: it ultimately represents is what we told this audience for

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Speaker 1: This was all political.

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Speaker 3: This was nothing other than a political hit job that

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Speaker 3: And I think that's an incredibly important result because it

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Speaker 3: we didn't try to put our chief political rival in

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Speaker 2: If you're going to break that barrier of prosecuting somebody

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Speaker 2: damn well be for something serious that you know happened,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Look, I've got friends who

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it never happens. There are people who

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Speaker 2: And so to bring this case against Donald Trump when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hear.

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Speaker 2: He's the commander in chief, like he's you know, you

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Speaker 2: did the crime you do the time. I get it,

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Speaker 2: Like you you shouldn't be above the law in that way.

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Speaker 2: You would be subject to state law there and you'd

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Speaker 2: be able to be prosecuted after the fact. There's no

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Speaker 2: but to go after him on a business records charge.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there's some people who would just you know,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But to go after somebody on.

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Speaker 2: A business records charge clay and then to stack it

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Speaker 2: thirty four times, so it's thirty four felonies. Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 3: There are two other elements of this case that again

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Speaker 3: I have been hammering for years now on this program.

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Speaker 3: But one buck, it's outside the statute of limitations. So

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Speaker 3: they elevated what should have been a misdemeanor to a

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Speaker 3: But leave aside the sort of new angled approach without

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Speaker 3: precedent that they tried to elevate the misdemeanor to a felony.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly, in New York City they are reducing felonies to misdemeanors.

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Speaker 3: That is, in this era of going soft on crime,

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Speaker 3: they actually overwhelmingly are treating legitimate felonies as misdemeanors. Here

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Speaker 6: What happens to mayor or local police department chief that

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Speaker 2: because you've got these woke, lunatic governors and mayors.

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Speaker 3: Buck here's the number, by the way, And I think

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Speaker 3: this is going to stagger a lot of people because

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Speaker 3: I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become.

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Speaker 3: According to the New York Times, three million people were

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Speaker 3: deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office.

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Speaker 1: Three million.

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Speaker 3: So for everybody out there who's going to act, and again,

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Speaker 3: this is important, we have to mobilize the narrative to

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Speaker 3: make people understand that what Trump is doing is actually

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Speaker 3: just something that was not even considered remotely controversial in

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Speaker 3: the grand scheme of things. During Obama's term in office.

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Speaker 3: In fact, Barack Obama deported more people than any president

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Speaker 3: ever has in the history of the come.

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Speaker 2: It was very clever, though, I mean the whole member

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Speaker 2: did that. He was the deporter in chief going into

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Speaker 2: the twenty twelve midterms, and then when he won reelection.

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Speaker 2: The whole Term one for Obama was Obamacare, and we

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Speaker 2: are still living with the consequences of that decision. Term

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Speaker 2: two is supposed to be amnesty, and the way that

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Speaker 2: they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport

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Speaker 2: people while pushing Republicans on the Gang of Eight bill

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Speaker 2: and getting Republicans to go along. And there are bad

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Speaker 2: Republicans on immigration, there are lots of them. Actually, look

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Speaker 2: at wasn't it a.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it a? Was it Langford?

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Speaker 3: Who wasn't Liford in Oklahoma who tried to work with

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Speaker 3: Biden right at the end of his term to put

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Speaker 3: through a crap bill. It's embarrassing, honestly embarrassing stuff. There

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Speaker 3: are Republicans who are who are dictated to by the

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Speaker 3: Chamber of commerce by big business, by the donor class

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Speaker 3: who like illegal immigration. That's a reality. But Clay, what's

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Speaker 3: so interesting here? And you know, I give Ann Coulter

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Speaker 3: credit for this for example, and the immigration issue.

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Speaker 2: She's always saying no, no, no, there are laws already

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Speaker 2: that need to be used that will help with this

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Speaker 2: issue massively. They just choose not to use them. Tom

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Speaker 2: Holman knows what those laws are. Tom Holman knows that

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Speaker 2: the decision to ignore federal statute is not the same

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Speaker 2: thing as erasing federal statute. So there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of tools at his disposal this time around to do

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Speaker 2: things to clean this up. And I just I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is where I want to know who You're not

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Speaker 2: in the country legally and you're committing crimes here, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you're and you're supposed to be able

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Speaker 2: to stay That is that is a national suicide pack

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Speaker 2: over the long run, that is completely outside the realm

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Speaker 2: of the scene totally.

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Speaker 3: And again, I just want everybody to prepare for the

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Speaker 3: fight that is coming and recognize how outrageous the arguments

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Speaker 3: against it are going to be. But you're right, Buck,

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Speaker 3: AOC is gonna put on her all white outfit. The

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Speaker 3: media is gonna follow her. She's gonna start to cry

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Speaker 3: by a chain link fence. They're gonna find the one

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Speaker 3: four year old who gets separated from his dad or

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Speaker 3: his mom. Uh, and they're going to turn that into

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Speaker 3: an anecdote reflective of a policy that is not actually representative, right,

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Speaker 3: but they're going to find it. It'll go viral on

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Speaker 3: social media. Prepare yourselves for where this is coming. Also,

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Speaker 3: Buck this is also hugely important. The message is important too,

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Speaker 3: because as soon as you start deporting millions of people,

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Speaker 3: everybody that's coming here illegally is going to say, wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, is that trip worth it? When you're telling

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Speaker 3: them we're never going to deport you. That's why ten

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Speaker 3: million plus illegals came in. It's not just about sending

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Speaker 3: people back, it's about stopping the flow that exists right now.

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Speaker 2: It changes the incentive dramatically, right, It changes the incentive

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Speaker 2: for especially how the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue

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Speaker 2: has changed. Where Clay it used to be can you

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Speaker 2: walk here? So that was Mexico, some countries to the

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Speaker 2: south of Mexico. The people showing up at the border

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Speaker 2: are paying to f from Pakistan, from Yemen, from all

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Speaker 2: over Southeast Asia and West Africa, and you name it

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Speaker 2: like if it's a poor country. Basically people are coming

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Speaker 2: here from there, but they're flying to sometimes you know,

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Speaker 2: a country that has very easy passport controls. In South America,

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Speaker 2: they go up through the Darien Gap. In Central America,

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Speaker 2: they make their way up in past you know, through Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Pay the cartels in Mexico. That's a lot of effort

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Speaker 2: and money to spend if you're not really sure that

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Speaker 2: you're going to be able to stay. So Holman's the

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Speaker 2: guy for the job. This is the single this is

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Speaker 2: you know, this and the and the government efficiency I

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Speaker 2: think is kind of make or break for the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration agenda.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with.

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Speaker 2: You, and and I know that that's setting a high

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Speaker 2: standard because economy is going to be great. You know,

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Speaker 2: things are gonna be better on national security, but this

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Speaker 2: is really going to be the determining factor for year one.

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Speaker 2: How's it going. We'll get back into this takes some

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Speaker 2: of your calls on it as well.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do

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Speaker 4: a lot of it. With the Sunday Hang, Join Clay

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Speaker 4: and Buck as they laugh it up in the Klay

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Speaker 4: and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever

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Speaker 4: you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We've got the governor of Oklahoma with us now. Governor

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the

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Speaker 2: time for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely great to be with you guys.

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Speaker 2: All Right, so we're talking a lot today about the

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Speaker 2: very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump

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Speaker 2: planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster

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Speaker 2: scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past,

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Speaker 2: and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are

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Speaker 2: criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.

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Speaker 2: You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: this program, how it work in Oklahoma, as it's as

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Speaker 2: it unfolds, and also how you plan to have the

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Speaker 2: state work with the federal governor the Trump administration to

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Speaker 2: finally restore some law and order when it comes to

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Speaker 2: illegal immigration.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first off, I mean it's just an

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Speaker 7: optimistic mood in America. I mean you can feel it.

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Speaker 7: We're going back to law and order. We're going to

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Speaker 7: get you know, inflation under control. Energy, permitting, reform, safety

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Speaker 7: across the world. I mean, it's just really exciting to

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Speaker 7: have common sense back in the White House, and so

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Speaker 7: in Oklahoma, I mean, it's just total common sense. If

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Speaker 7: we have people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals,

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Speaker 7: plus their illegals and Oklahoma should you know, if we've

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Speaker 7: given these people over to ice under a Biden Harris administration,

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Speaker 7: nothing happens. So we've obviously got bad guys in prison

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Speaker 7: because we're a law and order state. But now with

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Speaker 7: Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to

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Speaker 7: be the first state to kind of lead by example

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Speaker 7: to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not footing the bill

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Speaker 7: for people that are here illegally number one and number two,

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Speaker 7: especially people that are criminals that are in our correctional facility.

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Speaker 7: So those are the first ones we want to tackle.

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Speaker 7: And we wanted to kind of be a model to

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Speaker 7: other states and work with the Trump administration and know

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Speaker 7: that now we have a partner in the White House

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Speaker 7: that believes in common sense and wants to protect law

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Speaker 7: and order and wants to protect safety across the country.

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Speaker 3: Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen

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Speaker 3: a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to

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Speaker 3: work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.

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Speaker 3: How do you think that will play out? And how

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Speaker 3: much of that I think the answer is probably one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent. Is that often political angling to try to

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Speaker 3: potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat

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Speaker 3: nominee in twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.

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Speaker 7: They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook,

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Speaker 7: and it was amazing, Like I think the day after

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Speaker 7: the election, you started seeing you know, the regular folks,

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Speaker 7: the regular Democratic talking points from all the different governors

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Speaker 7: talking about we're going to protect our citizens. You're gonna

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Speaker 7: have to come through me. Well, I think that they're

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Speaker 7: missing the point. I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly. Trump got

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Speaker 7: won the popular vote three hundred and twelve electoral votes,

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Speaker 7: and overwhelmingly people want border security, they want a law

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Speaker 7: and order back in our communities, they believe in safe communities.

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Speaker 7: We want freedom and education, we want to unleash American energy,

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Speaker 7: and so again, I don't think the Democrats learned any

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Speaker 7: frame from that last election. And for them to come

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Speaker 7: out immediately and say they're not going to work with

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Speaker 7: the president on law and order. I think they're shooting

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Speaker 7: themselves in the foot and they didn't learn anything from

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Speaker 7: that from Tuesday's election.

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Speaker 2: Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state,

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Speaker 2: the governor fortunately very red state. But I'm assuming it's

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Speaker 2: possible you've got sanctuary jurisdictions in Tulsa, maybe Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that a challenge for you in terms

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Speaker 2: of local and state law enforcement working together on this issue?

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Speaker 2: Are they on board? Well, what can you tell us

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Speaker 2: about that, because I just I wonder how that state, local,

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Speaker 2: and federal is going to all collide or work together

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Speaker 2: on this issue.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all.

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Speaker 7: I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city

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Speaker 7: mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on

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Speaker 7: this issue. But really, what I'm talking about here, and

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Speaker 7: I don't know how any American and certainly how any

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma would complain about it. We're talking about people that

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Speaker 7: are here illegally Number one and number two, they're also incarcerated.

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Speaker 7: They're criminals. They're either in gangs, they've had a run

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Speaker 7: in with law enforcement, they've got busted for you know,

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Speaker 7: running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border. So we're

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Speaker 7: talking about that element first. I think that's what Trump's

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Speaker 7: talking about. And then we need to get them out

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Speaker 7: of our states, out of our country. And then I

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Speaker 7: believe in immigration reform. We need to have If somebody

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Speaker 7: comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa

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Speaker 7: and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert

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Speaker 7: that to a workforce visa. So if people want to

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Speaker 7: chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part

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Speaker 7: of our society and we have jobs for them, we

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Speaker 7: want to connect the employers with employees. I'm all for

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Speaker 7: work workforce visas and changing that immigration policy. But we're

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Speaker 7: talking about the criminal element right now. And I don't

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Speaker 7: know how anybody could argue, you're Democrat or Republican, that

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Speaker 7: that needs to be out of our country.

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Speaker 3: When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel

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Speaker 3: a major vibe shift. I know Oklahoma is very much

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Speaker 3: of a Trump UH fertile ground. Right, you guys win

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Speaker 3: in your state, go read by a massive amount. But

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Speaker 3: I got some stats here for you, Governor.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is the latest data in terms of how how

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Speaker 3: things have moved New York moved eleven point five percent

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Speaker 3: towards Trump, New Jersey ten point two, Florida nine point

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Speaker 3: eight Massachusetts eight point seven percent, California eight point four percent.

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Speaker 3: So four of the biggest states to gain massively in

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Speaker 3: Trump's support were blue states. I'm curious, do you feel

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Speaker 3: that when the other governors are starting to talk that

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Speaker 3: even somebody like Kathy Hokeel, for instance, in New York,

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Speaker 3: which is considered a blue state. Crazily New York is

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Speaker 3: closer to a red state than Texas or Florida are

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Speaker 3: to blue states based on the data out there. Can

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Speaker 3: you feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how

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Speaker 3: even those politicians are talking given what happened even in

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Speaker 3: blue states.

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Speaker 7: You know, I really can. I'm the vice chair this

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Speaker 7: year of the National Governor Association, which is the bipartisan group,

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Speaker 7: and so behind closed doors when I talk to my

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Speaker 7: Democratic colleagues, it's very collegial. We've got a good relationship,

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Speaker 7: and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes,

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Speaker 7: we'd be stronger borders. And that was what's so perplexing

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Speaker 7: for the American people. It's why, uh, you know, the

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Speaker 7: Biden Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump

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Speaker 7: era policies, which has remain in Mexico. And so I

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Speaker 7: think that across the board, you know, the governors at

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Speaker 7: least understand that we need to have border security. We

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Speaker 7: need that, and unless they're trying to kind of placate

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Speaker 7: to their you know, left wing part of their party, Uh,

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Speaker 7: these are these are just common sense things that if

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Speaker 7: you're truly an American and you want what's best for

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Speaker 7: our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these these points.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: But it's really exciting. And you look at the uh,

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Speaker 7: the Hispanic popular Uh, the vote went made major gains

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Speaker 7: towards the Republican Party because I tell people, they're they're

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Speaker 7: concerned about that, they believe in God and family and

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Speaker 7: their entrepreneurs and and and they're more concerned about the

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Speaker 7: economy than than somebody's pronouns. They don't want their little

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Speaker 7: girls to have to be competing with biological mails and sports.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the left has gone so far the other

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Speaker 7: way that I think that you saw that in this election,

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Speaker 7: and so hopefully common sense will return. And I know

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Speaker 7: common sense is going to return to the White House,

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Speaker 7: and I hope we're seeing it return to New York

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Speaker 7: and California and some of these other states and just say, hey,

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Speaker 7: we want to give the Trump administration a chance, and

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Speaker 7: I think we want safe communities and we want our

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Speaker 7: girls to be protected when they play sports and stuff

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Speaker 7: that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Just being to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Governor, how

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Speaker 2: many illegals are currently in custody in your state? Do

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Speaker 2: you have a pretty good firm number on that? And

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Speaker 2: what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just

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Speaker 2: to incarcerate them, roughly speaking on a day or monthly basis.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back

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Speaker 7: and look at that. We have I think around twenty

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Speaker 7: thousand people incarcerated in Oklahoma. There's something I'm always working

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Speaker 7: on is eight communities, but also want to want to

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Speaker 7: make sure that we believe in second chances. So we've

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Speaker 7: done a lot of work there. But there's five hundred

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Speaker 7: and twenty six people that should not be incarcerated in

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma because they're illegals and they broke the law and

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Speaker 7: we're having to pay for their incarcerations. And so it's

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Speaker 7: millions and millions of dollars to the taxpayers of Oklahoma.

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Speaker 7: I think it's me.

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Speaker 2: I read something just so I read something, and it's

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Speaker 2: almost forty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars too, for each

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Speaker 2: one of those inmates.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? I mean for the year, that is correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's going to cost us between twenty to

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Speaker 7: thirty thousand. I don't know the exact number per inmate

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Speaker 7: per year. And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers.

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Speaker 7: That's our state.

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Speaker 2: So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers

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Speaker 2: in your state at a minimum that should not be

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Speaker 2: just for those who are incarcerated.

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Speaker 7: That is that is exactly right, that's correct. So and

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Speaker 7: then you know it did no good before with the

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Speaker 7: Biden Harris administration. Is ICE was not doing their job

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Speaker 7: under a trumpet minute. We're going to return to the

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Speaker 7: rule of law, and so when we push those back

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Speaker 7: to ICE, they'll be returned back to UH. They'll be

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Speaker 7: out of Oklahoma, out of our country, which will be

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Speaker 7: a good thing. We don't want the criminal element here.

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Speaker 7: But I also remind people we need immigration reform and

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Speaker 7: we need to make sure we have state workforce visas

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Speaker 7: and we match employers to employees. And that's good as

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Speaker 7: well if people want to chase the American dream. And

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Speaker 7: uh and so I think that's important for people to

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Speaker 7: note as well.

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Speaker 3: Governor, we know that Barack Obama, recently Bill Clinton, Democrat

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Speaker 3: governors who are a Democrat governor in the case of

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama,

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Speaker 3: but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal

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Speaker 3: immigrants should be sent back. This wasn't considered to be

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Speaker 3: a political issue. How much do you think this will

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Speaker 3: become a political issue going forward? We mentioned Democrat governors

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Speaker 3: are already lining up. Or do you think the fact

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Speaker 3: that this was standard opera rating procedure to deport illegals,

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Speaker 3: particularly illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama

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Speaker 3: was in office, will that end up ultimately winning the

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Speaker 3: public argument? How do you see this playing out?

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Speaker 7: You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't

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Speaker 7: see how this is. I think Trump has made the

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Speaker 7: national story. The Republican Governors Association sent a letter, We've

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Speaker 7: made this a national story. Pushing on border security. I

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Speaker 7: believe the American people are there that we have to

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Speaker 7: have strong borders. We have to know who's coming through

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Speaker 7: our country. We need to have immigration reform. I'll give

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Speaker 7: you that too, But I don't believe that all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden in twenty eight the election cycle is going

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Speaker 7: to flip and all of a sudden American people are

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Speaker 7: going to vote for you know, the crazy person that's saying, yeah,

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Speaker 7: let's do open borders. I just don't believe. I think

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Speaker 7: I think the pendulum is going to swing back to

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Speaker 7: more normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. Even Democrats

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Speaker 7: agree that we have to have border security, and this

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Speaker 7: is not a winning argument for their side, and if

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Speaker 7: they keep doubling down on it, I just think it

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Speaker 7: just shows you how politically blind they are. Trump just

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Speaker 7: won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say we're going to

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Speaker 7: secure our border and we're going to have safe communities,

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Speaker 7: and for them to come out day one, I think

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Speaker 7: it's just very They're All they're doing is just trying

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Speaker 7: to put themselves as the anti Trump person out there,

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Speaker 7: and they think it's going to gain, you know, with

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Speaker 7: the far left part of their party, maybe make them

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Speaker 7: some kind of hero. But I think long term it's

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Speaker 7: not It's not gonna work and and if they keep

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Speaker 7: running on that playbook, you're going to see the same

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Speaker 7: type of landside victories that you saw in twenty four

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Speaker 7: for the For the good.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Governor, State of Oklahoma, always appreciate you making the

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Speaker 2: time for us, and we'll talk to you again soon

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Speaker 2: about how this is all going once it gets to

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Speaker 2: the implementation phase.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Hey, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: you back on the program. I'm getting people asking me this,

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Speaker 2: and I I jumped to some pretty some pretty dark

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Speaker 2: conclusions about it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering what you think.

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Speaker 2: Here we are Biden is, yes, technically the commander in chief,

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Speaker 2: but we all including Democrats, know that it's pretty shaky.

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Speaker 1: No, no pot intended with that, but you know it's

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Speaker 1: no double on Taundra.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty shaky, and he's having a tough time understanding

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Speaker 2: what's going on around him. Meanwhile, we're told that he

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Speaker 2: has authorized the use of American provided long range missile

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Speaker 2: so that Ukraine can now fire missiles a couple of

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Speaker 2: one hundred miles. I've seen different estimates of how long

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Speaker 2: these will go into Russian territory to hit Russian batteries.

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Speaker 2: Is this a big deal? Why is he doing this?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Well, great to be with you, Buck and Client's.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because

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Speaker 8: the thing it's almost like this sort of reductive out

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Speaker 8: of absurdum of the Biden administration policy where they're openly

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Speaker 8: admitting in the New York Times that this is not

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Speaker 8: going to make that much of a difference, and yet

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Speaker 8: it is a very significant escalatory step. I mean, it's

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Speaker 8: been talked about tremendously on the Western side, but also

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Speaker 8: the Russians and Putin himself have made clear it's a

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Speaker 8: big deal. But yet, you know, the Russians have probably

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Speaker 8: already adapted, They've moved their forces around. They claimed they

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Speaker 8: shot down several of the attacks, and apparently both the

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Speaker 8: Ukrainians and we are low on the attack on stocks.

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Speaker 8: So it's this kind of, you know, perfect encapsulation of

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Speaker 8: the Biden symbolism over effectiveness policy, which is really just

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Speaker 8: we can't.

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Speaker 1: Get changed soon enough.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, you know, they've been This is something

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Speaker 8: that I think is really important to stress here, Buck

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Speaker 8: is they have been running policy on this for obviously

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Speaker 8: the last four years, but certainly since the beginning of

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, in the late twenty one when this

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Speaker 8: crisis began, and they've been working with certain Republicans who

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Speaker 8: supported a maximalist sort of goals on Ukraine, and I

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Speaker 8: call it the liberal premisest alliance. And now the Deputy

873
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Speaker 8: National Security Advisor admitted while while while Biden was down

874
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Speaker 8: in Rio that the situation is extremely difficult and the

875
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Speaker 8: Russians are willing to up the ante. Apparently according to

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Speaker 8: the Levada Center, pulling a life satisfaction in Russia, including

877
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Speaker 8: among young people, as an all time high. So this

878
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 8: is just a really bad situation, and they seem to

879
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Speaker 8: be making it worse. I think, to frankly, peer pressure.

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Speaker 8: You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the you know,

881
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Speaker 8: sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even

882
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Speaker 8: they are seem to be defecting from from Biden.

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Speaker 1: What does a solution?

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Speaker 3: I know, it's like a ceasefire, a peace agreement in

885
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Speaker 3: your mind, look like what I have been reading Bridge

886
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Speaker 3: and we appreciate the time, is that it would look

887
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Speaker 3: something like what I have seen is a twenty year

888
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Speaker 3: agreement that NATO is not going to add Ukraine international

889
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Speaker 3: peace forces potentially to manage the border whatever is negotiated

890
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Speaker 3: as the new border of Ukraine. Is that kind of

891
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Speaker 3: where you see this going? And I also saw a

892
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Speaker 3: poll today and obviously in the wake of the election.

893
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Speaker 3: We know Poles aren't always reliable, but suggesting that somewhere

894
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Speaker 3: north maybe fifty two percent of Ukrainians were ready for

895
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Speaker 3: this war to be over, do you buy in that

896
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Speaker 3: Trump in the first ninety days or so can get

897
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Speaker 3: a solution And if so, what does that solution look like?

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Speaker 8: Well, look, I don't want to get ahead of the president.

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Speaker 8: I think he seems to have somewhat his own idea

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Speaker 8: that he's not tipped his hand, which makes sense from

901
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Speaker 8: a negotiating point of view. I would just say, looking

902
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Speaker 8: at history, we've got to be realistic and looking at

903
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Speaker 8: the situation on the ground, you know, I don't think

904
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Speaker 8: we can be expecting that like Crimea is going to

905
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Speaker 8: come back. And I think we should be realistic.

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Speaker 1: And I think the fact that Ukrainians.

907
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Speaker 8: Are now looking for an end to the war, but

908
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Speaker 8: just objectively, given the enormous human suffering, in the fact

909
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Speaker 8: that the war's not going very well together means some

910
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Speaker 8: kind of ceasefi or cessation of the conflict. That's realistic,

911
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 8: you know. I mean, these these conflicts tend to end

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Speaker 8: somewhere along the battle lines as they exist. Unfortunately, the

913
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Speaker 8: Russians are making progress but there's reason to think that

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Speaker 8: the Russians might not want this war to go on forever.

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Speaker 8: It's obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem

916
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Speaker 8: to be willing to manage. It's making them more dependent

917
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Speaker 8: on China. It's closing them off from the Western Europe.

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Speaker 8: So I think, you know, and Putin has seemed to

919
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Speaker 8: be at least open and his lieutenants like Peskov to

920
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Speaker 8: at least some you know, hearing out the proposals. And

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Speaker 8: this war has been going on for almost three years.

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Speaker 8: So you know, I very much hope, and I think

923
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Speaker 8: you've seen, frankly the reality obviously, you know, sort of

924
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Speaker 8: lemming like you had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh,

925
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Speaker 8: this wark In, It's got to go on as long

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Speaker 8: as it takes. And then as soon as Trump receives

927
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Speaker 8: this decisive electoral mandate from the American people, Olof Schultz,

928
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Speaker 8: the Chancellor of Germany, is calling Putin. And you see

929
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Speaker 8: the shift in the in the popular opinion in Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: So what it looks like exactly, I don't know. I

931
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Speaker 8: don't I don't want to get head of the president

932
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Speaker 8: for sure, but I think we've got to be realistic.

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Speaker 8: This to me again, guys, is what I would stress is,

934
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Speaker 8: I think we've got to calibrate we as the American people,

935
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Speaker 8: have got to calibrate expectations. Things are being left in

936
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Speaker 8: such a bad state by the Biden Harris administration that

937
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Speaker 8: we've got to be realistic. You know, you're not. You know,

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Speaker 8: the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood and yes,

939
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Speaker 8: an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine. But this is

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Speaker 8: the real world, and we would be better off dealing

941
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Speaker 8: with the real world, as President Trump is always pointing

942
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Speaker 8: out and having made, you know, avoided this conflict, rather

943
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Speaker 8: than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden than Tony Blinkett.

944
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Speaker 8: And what I would say is on the NATO issue,

945
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Speaker 8: I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should be

946
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Speaker 8: in NATO. So I don't know why we would reserve

947
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Speaker 8: the right even for twenty years. I mean, what's the

948
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Speaker 8: point of reserving something for twenty years. I mean that's

949
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Speaker 8: like way down the pike and strategic planning and diplomacy terms.

950
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Speaker 8: So I think we should be prepared to negotiate on

951
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Speaker 8: a range of issues in order to bring this conflict

952
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Speaker 8: to an end.

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Speaker 2: Bridge I see something troubling that I know the income

954
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Speaker 2: in Trump administration is going to have to confront and

955
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Speaker 2: hopefully untangle. And it seems that there is an axis,

956
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Speaker 2: a de facto actis that is forming.

957
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

958
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Speaker 2: And you can almost see it like a like a

959
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Speaker 2: cycle or or like some kind of an assembly line.

960
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Speaker 2: You've got Russia selling its oil, a lot of it

961
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Speaker 2: to China and to other actors.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And you've got.

963
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Speaker 2: North Korean soldiers who are fighting now on the front

964
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Speaker 2: lines in Russia. You've got Iranian drones, the shah Head

965
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Speaker 2: drones being used on the front lines in Ukraine. Uh,

966
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Speaker 2: you know, or rather that's also where the North Koreans

967
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Speaker 2: are fighting obviously in Ukraine, but on behalf of the Russians.

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Speaker 2: And so you have all this, I don't want to say,

969
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming

970
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: to get closer militarily and economically Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.

971
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Speaker 2: Then we've seen in a long time. And I think

972
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Speaker 2: that's worrisome. How do you see that and how do

973
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Speaker 2: you think Trump can approach that?

974
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Speaker 8: Well, it's very worrisome and I think, I mean, I

975
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 8: hate the term acxis of evil because it harkens back

976
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 8: to the disastrous policy of their early two thousands. But there,

977
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 8: you know, I call it like a counter coalition or something.

978
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 8: That's sort of a lame way of putting it. But

979
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 8: excuse me, but I think you're absolutely right that there

980
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 8: is a coalition of states that have come together. Frankly,

981
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 8: have Biden his policy, you know, through the rhetoric, through

982
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 8: its behavior, has actually driven them further and further. And

983
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 8: the administration has sort of admitted that. Blinkett has admitted

984
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 8: that the Russians have been helping the Iranians. They've been

985
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 8: helping the Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is

986
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 8: very important, the North Korean nuclear missile program. Of course,

987
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 8: you mentioned the other things in the other direction. So

988
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 8: I think, look, what can we do. I think we

989
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 8: can be selective about how we apply our military so

990
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 8: we're strong in the right places, particularly Asia. I think

991
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 8: we can get our allies to do more and really

992
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 8: do that. And you already see that happening. You see Trump,

993
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 8: you know, common sense breaking out all over the place

994
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 8: with Trump's election, Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense,

995
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 8: Germany moving that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia,

996
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 8: et cetera. That's another piece. And then a more pragmatic

997
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 8: and flexible diplomacy that hearkens back to the successful Republican

998
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 8: foreign policy of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is

999
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 8: being Jim Baker is being prepared to negotiate with our

1000
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 8: rivals and opponents, both to avoid conflict, excuse me, but

1001
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 8: also to potentially, you know, drive Wedges is a little ambitious,

1002
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 8: but maybe create fissures and uncertainties amongst them. That causes problems,

1003
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 8: and that I think is kind of how we go.

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 8: If you look at how say, the Indians conduct their

1005
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 8: foreign policy, it's much more successful than the Joe Biden approach.

1006
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: Bridge, how much do you think and I know we've

1007
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: talked about this before, but putin invading Ukraine Hamas attacking

1008
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: Israel on October seven was just complete and total disrespect

1009
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

1010
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: And how much do you think merely Trump being elected

1011
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 3: changes the calculus of Americans foreign policy adversary adversaries, whether

1012
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: it's China, Russia, Oran or North Korea.

1013
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 8: Well, I think, Clay, I think it's a big, a

1014
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 8: big one. And I think, you know, the Afghanistan thing

1015
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 8: is very important and it was a seminal event. But

1016
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 8: I think sometimes some of the kind of neo conservative

1017
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 8: voices say, oh, it's such a disaster, we should have

1018
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 8: stayed there till the end of time. I don't think

1019
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 8: that's right, and that's what President Trump has said as well.

1020
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 8: I think what Afghanistan showed is it told people a

1021
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 8: lot about Joe Biden and how he would make decisions.

1022
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 8: And I think Donald Trump's a very different guy. He's tough,

1023
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 8: he's an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared

1024
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 8: to do tough and sharp and nasty things in some circumstances.

1025
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 8: He's going to put the American people first. He's willing

1026
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Speaker 8: to break China excuse me.

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Speaker 1: So to speak.

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Speaker 8: To to to achieve successful outcomes. But he's also prepared

1029
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 8: to negotiate and be flexible. So I think you could

1030
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 8: see quite significant changes right away. And I think you

1031
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 8: already see that, both on the part of our allies

1032
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Speaker 8: but also on the part of potential opponents. The fact

1033
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Speaker 8: that he's willing to talk to potentially putin Kim Jong

1034
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Speaker 8: lun hijin pink.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

1036
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Speaker 8: That gives us leverage, it gives us negotiating space, and

1037
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Speaker 8: it creates tensions among them.

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Speaker 2: Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge hoping that you will perhaps be

1039
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: helping the incoming Trump administration prevent world War three, which

1040
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Speaker 2: I think is a bipartisan like we can all get

1041
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: behind that, like let's not do world War three.

1042
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Speaker 1: And I hope you can have a role in behind that.

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 5: Well.

1044
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Speaker 1: No, but I'm honored, friends, Yeah, no, no, no, world

1045
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Speaker 1: War three and Bridge, I.

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Speaker 8: Want to try to avoid world War three.

1047
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm into that. Guys. Yes, I figure you're down with it.

1048
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you.

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Speaker 2: I want to give you some tactical advice now, Bridge,

1050
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Speaker 2: ginger fresh ginger graded hot water, A little bit of honey,

1051
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Speaker 2: gonna help with that throat a lot. You got to

1052
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Speaker 2: take care of yourself. Buddy out there talking and stopping wars.

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Speaker 2: But Strategy Denial is his book, Bridge Colby, thanks for

1054
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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys.

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