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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our own console

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Speaker 1: or representative super producer Max, two Computers, Williams and Ben,

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Speaker 1: you're Noel, Noel. That's a that's a new nickname for

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Speaker 1: us for Max Isn't.

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Speaker 2: It what two computers or man of the people. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it could be a compound nickname either way. They're they're

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Speaker 2: they're new. But we've always known Max is had an

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Speaker 2: affinity for operating two computers simultaneously, and also so that

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Speaker 2: he is a magnanimous dictator in his own ring.

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Speaker 1: And today we are talking about another particular, incredibly unique community,

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. You know, if you think about it, you

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Speaker 1: and us, we're all together kind of a little nation

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Speaker 1: of our own out there in the in the world

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Speaker 1: of podcasts. Yes, we are returning to micro nations, and

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Speaker 1: we've been going for some of the deep cuts recently.

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Speaker 1: Monaco most people know, but a lot of people didn't

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Speaker 1: know about Andorra. And I think San Marino is a

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Speaker 1: name many of us have heard before, but we might

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Speaker 1: not know much about it. Right, is that reasonable?

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Speaker 2: Not to be confused with Dan Marino, famous for his

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Speaker 2: role in ace Ventura Pet Detective, And I think he

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Speaker 2: also played a sport allegedly, and he never won a

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Speaker 2: super Bowl allegedly. That's just the kind of nice twist

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Speaker 2: that you're known for. Max, Now that's brutal me And

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Speaker 2: both these computers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got one computer for the positive comments and

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Speaker 1: one for the negative. That's why you're a beast on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: We found something really interesting as we were preparing for

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Speaker 1: the research here. San Marino is a real country. It

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Speaker 1: is recognized by the United Nations. It is, as Noel said,

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Speaker 1: a micro nation. I mean it's very very small. Its

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Speaker 1: population is much smaller than many US states. It was

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Speaker 1: also founded entirely sort of due to a case of

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Speaker 1: mistaken identity. So that's like our teaser at the top.

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Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, where is San Marino? No, Like,

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Speaker 1: if we're Carmen san diegoing this, could we point to

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Speaker 1: it on a map?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of where the top of the boot

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Speaker 2: meets the thigh of Italy. Yeah, perfect right, right, upper leg,

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Speaker 2: upper boot region of Italy. Yeah, it is in Italy.

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Speaker 2: But it's also like non in Italy. That's part why

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Speaker 2: this story is interesting because for whatever reason, the old

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Speaker 2: Holy Roman Empire seemed to give this little area a

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Speaker 2: existing as its own you know, territory, as its own nation,

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Speaker 2: which is really unusual because as we know, the Romans

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Speaker 2: sacking you know, cities and whatnot. And somehow this area

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Speaker 2: it kind of flew under the radar for quite some time,

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Speaker 2: and it's pretty interesting. So it was actually found in

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Speaker 2: between three oh one and three fifty CE by a Christian,

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Speaker 2: which as to the tension there, right, a Stonemason by

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Speaker 2: the name of Marinus, the Dalmatian human. Yeah yeah, not

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Speaker 2: not the cute cartoon dog with the celebrity voice.

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Speaker 1: He the Dalmatian in this sense.

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Speaker 2: For first people that are part of what is today

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Speaker 1: people in California, say Rob, I don't.

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Speaker 2: He had a relatively serene, idyllic not particularly happen in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So picture this guy as kind of working class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing. She's messing up the show, and

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Speaker 2: and can bequeath this land to this community? You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there. True, what has I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it just has it. It's no digs on

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of it feels like a planned community

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Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely on the money there. It's

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Speaker 1: not offensive to say. So this, this landowner, Felissima, is

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the protection that they get from their geography

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Speaker 1: No, it's the heads of each family, because again it's

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Speaker 1: They don't do anything. Really. The big power that these

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Speaker 2: They just let them go on doing their thing and

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Speaker 1: Siggis Mondo Pandolfo Mala testa. How do you do very well?

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Speaker 2: At this point, San Marino has been occupied by outside

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Speaker 1: When Seo takes him out, and then you fast forward

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the character can fall out New Vegas was Leggot Lanias.

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Speaker 1: So okay, where are we now now? Grim also has

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Speaker 2: what's that company that Makethesta? This are both Mathestic games.

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Speaker 2: They love the good Leggo and Bethesta. I st we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have fast forward in history a little bit to

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Speaker 2: the late seventeen hundreds, around seventeen ninety seven, where San

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Speaker 2: Marino becomes a bit of a chess piece in the

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Speaker 2: Napoleonic Wars. It's a conference between France and the Papal States.

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Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is that San Marino doesn't really

435
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Speaker 2: kind of belong to either of them. Like they're officially

436
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Speaker 2: recognized by Napoleon through the Treaty of Talentino, but they

437
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: kind of even though on paper, you know, they belong

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Speaker 2: to Napoleon on they still kind of remain their own thing,

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Speaker 2: right I'm reading that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in practice they're still sovereign, and you nailed it,

441
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: saying that they get used as a chess piece or

442
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: people are trying to use them. Napoleon invades Italy and

443
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: he's looking for all the friends he can get, right,

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Speaker 1: so he goes to San Marino and says, look, I

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Speaker 1: very much respect your republic. You know I will well, actually,

446
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: if you throw down with me, then I will expand

447
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: your territory. And this is where we get to a regent.

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Speaker 1: We want to shout out Antonio Onofri. His family's a big,

449
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: big deal in San Marino and has been for many years.

450
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: Napoleon is camping nearby. He hits up the sam Ma

451
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Speaker 1: Reno gang and he says, publicly support me. I'll make

452
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Speaker 1: sure we get you more land, and Onofrie says, very politely,

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Speaker 1: he says, look, our big thing is not coveting our

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Speaker 1: neighbor's territory. We appreciate it. If you want to send

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Speaker 1: us some wheat or some supplies, that's dope, but we're

456
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Speaker 1: not about stepping on other people's toes that way. And

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Speaker 1: then later he says his thinking was war's end, but

458
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Speaker 1: neighbors remain. And I thought that was so cool because

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00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: this move, this one move likely saved their independence. If

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Speaker 1: they had thrown in with Napoleon, then when Napoleon, when

461
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: all his stuff went sideways, they would have had serious consequences.

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00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: They may well have been annex So, I mean, we

463
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Speaker 1: know things didn't end well for Napoleon. He got exiled

464
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Speaker 1: and then later he later things were so rough that

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Speaker 1: he had to start acting in Bill and Ted bovies

466
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Speaker 1: just to make ends meet. Oh man, oh man, I

467
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: love you so much.

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Speaker 2: Was he in both of them? He was just in

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Speaker 2: the one.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just in the one. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a producer later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably accurate. What's the deal? Did

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Speaker 2: he really have his hand in his uh lapel all

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Speaker 2: the time or was that just like a myth?

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of paintings. He also wasn't that short?

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Speaker 3: Now, he was actually taller than Stalin was. Stalin was

477
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Speaker 3: like five five five six, And.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody accuse of Stalin of being a small person.

479
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: What's the deal?

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Speaker 3: Stalin purposely kept very short people around him, and they

481
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Speaker 3: would have like photos of him doctored and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. He was always erasing people from

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Speaker 2: photos and stuff too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Stalin, I think was like five five five six.

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Speaker 3: Napoleon is like widely believed to be five eight. Do

486
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Speaker 3: you know who is also really short? We just talked

487
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Speaker 3: about James Madison five to.

488
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Speaker 1: Four, famously one of the I think the shortest.

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Speaker 3: President of the shortest president of a couple of the

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Speaker 3: guys like Van Buren and Harris Benjamin Harrison, who were

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Speaker 3: like five to six. We were, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: on the shortest stipe, but five to four.

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Speaker 2: Well, it just goes to show that if you if

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Speaker 2: you're not the supreme victor, you know, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: Napoleon did quite well for himself, but then I think

496
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Speaker 2: he was exiled in the end. They're gonna name a

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Speaker 2: complex after you that has nothing to do with your

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Speaker 2: actual stature.

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Speaker 1: Right right, And you know, we don't know how many

500
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Speaker 1: people joked about Stalin's height because to your earlier point,

501
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: he erased them from.

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Speaker 2: History exactly, not just from photographs, from actual like reality.

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Speaker 1: Tough time to be doing stand up in Russia.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to some communist stuff in a minute too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's actually where the story takes a very interesting turn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's head to World War One. Sam Marino

507
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: is neutral. They don't take part in the conflict. Really,

508
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: they send twenty guys to help Italy on the Italian Front,

509
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: and after the war, twenty guys. Yeah, they said, twenty

510
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: people the best, their best guys. It's like they got

511
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: in a room and they said, what, who's who's got

512
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: some openings this weekend? And twenty guys raised their hands,

513
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, well show. Yeah, so this is the change

514
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: that we were foreshadowing here. After World War One, San

515
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Marino has a big political shift. They get super into fascism.

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sammarines. Interesting word there. Fascist party took over

517
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: the government in the nineteen twenties, and in the nineteen thirties,

518
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: things actually were going quite well. The local economy was thriving.

519
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: They were building infrastructure, you know, and reinvesting in the community.

520
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: There was a railway.

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00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: They were trying to increase local tourism and seeming to succeed.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Remember let's let's still keep in mind that this place

524
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: was pretty remote and hard to get to, much like Monica.

525
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: Remember how it wasn't until they built the railways that

526
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: Monico started being more of a going concern with the

527
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: funneling and tourists to their casino. Similar Yeah, oh, in

528
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: comparison more fascists, though, very very very much fascist.

529
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: And they so they build this railway and this helps

530
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Speaker 1: with the local tourism industry. But you need we also

531
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Speaker 1: need to understand. I put it this way in a

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Speaker 1: series about Smedley Butler called Let's Start a Coup. Fascism

533
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: at this time still had a new car smell. People

534
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: were thinking, well, you know, let's try something else. Maybe

535
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: a strong leader will get stuff done. Cut past the

536
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: red tape. History would prove that's incredibly incorrect and dangerous.

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00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: They did something interesting, right, This is where they realized

538
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: tourism can be a viable business. But they, like a

539
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of other people, don't know. World War Two is

540
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: on the way. They stay neutral again in World War

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Speaker 1: Two until nineteen forty four. The British Royal Air Force

542
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: screws up and they accidentally bombed the country. Oopsie, I

543
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: mean it's a small place in the middle, you know,

544
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: it's in Italy. It's like around a mountain in.

545
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: It It's it's an honest no one is perfect.

546
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Speaker 3: They drop two bombs, you nail the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Right, Sure, that is the inconvenient part of it, right.

548
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: And then the German military says, we're going to occupy this.

549
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: We're going to use it as a rest and relaxation

550
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Speaker 1: place for our troops, and we're going to set up

551
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: hospitals there because it's neutral territory, which an army mind

552
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: means we can take over it.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of like a combination R and

554
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 2: R and hospital situation. You know, it's like when there

555
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: aren't like patients in the beds, you just kind of

556
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: use them for lounging, you know, and just watching TV.

557
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: And it's all inside the cave.

558
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: It's all it's still all in the cave, wondering how

559
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Speaker 1: could it not. I love it. I love the poetry

560
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: and this imagery of that. So Benito Mussolini, famously one

561
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: of the only bad bends, does something surprising. He steps

562
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: up for sam Marino, and he goes to his pals

563
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: in the German government and he says, look, I know

564
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: these guys, they're good guys. Just let them stay neutral. Okay,

565
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: do it for me, do it for Benny.

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Speaker 2: They're blessed, aren't they. I mean, seriously, you got the pope,

567
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: a notorious pill who takes you know, I mean especially historically,

568
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the modern popes seem to have

569
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: softened a little bit. But in those days, the head

570
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: of the Holy Roman Empire, you know, for him to

571
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: give you a pass as a Christian unheard of. Now

572
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: you've got this Mussolini fellow going to the Germans saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: leave these guys alone, they're good boys, let them do

574
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: their thing, let them remain neutral. I just don't understand

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Speaker 2: it. It seems like they just got some really good luck.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean out, isn't the land not really that valuable?

577
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, but still based on I guess that's

578
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: a good point. I guess that's a good point. Money

579
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: is the most important aspect of this, but so is ideology,

580
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: you know. I mean like it's just sort of symbolically speaking.

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00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: I just am not used to hearing about these iron

582
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: fisted leaders just giving a place a pass and just

583
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, saying, you know what, just just going going

584
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Speaker 2: your merry way, do your thing.

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Speaker 3: And there's been a lot of battles fought for much

586
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: more worthless land than this. I mean, I'm not saying

587
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: this is worthless land. I'm not trying to crap any memory.

588
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: And we're trying to become official members of your.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting, is all. I think the

590
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: fact that it keeps flying under the radar for so

591
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: long actively, you know, when it's like no longer under

592
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Speaker 2: the radar, somehow it continues to get this, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's almost suspicious. It is a little bit at one boy.

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Speaker 1: So they do. They do also have a reputation as

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Speaker 1: being a safe harbor. They host a lot of refugees

596
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: from different parts of Italy. They host a lot of

597
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: people on the run from political problems. That time in

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00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, in September specifically, they were briefly occupied

599
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: by German forces, but the Allies came in, defeated the

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Speaker 1: Germans and what's known as the Battle of San Marino,

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Speaker 1: and then they they just vibed ever since then, right,

602
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: And the Germans weren't even I would say, they weren't

603
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: proactively occupying. They were on the run through San Marino

604
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: from the Allies, and the Allies chased them, and then

605
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: after the Allies stamped out the Germans, they left. And

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Speaker 1: so we've got another thing though, because sam Marino has

607
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: been very particular in its political beliefs, and when fascism

608
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: didn't work out, Noel I think they were the first

609
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: country in the world that held democratic elections to become

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Speaker 1: a communist country.

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Speaker 2: Right, super interesting. So we spent a whole lot of

612
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: time talking about how docile and non threatening San Marino

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Speaker 2: is and that relatively that stays relatively true even in

614
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Speaker 2: this case. But in nineteen fifty seven, there's something called

615
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: the Roverta affair, which is a crisis between San Marino's parties,

616
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: which are the Christian Democrats and the Communists. The Socialist

617
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: Party actually withdraws from this government coalition after a revolt

618
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: in Hungaria, the Hungarian Revolution of nineteen fifty six. And

619
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Speaker 2: it's during this time that you know, when there is

620
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: a communist regime in place, that the rest of Italy,

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Speaker 2: which of course is not a communist does see San

622
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: Marino as a threat all of a sudden, but not

623
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Speaker 2: a threat militarily speaking, not a threat in terms of

624
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: disrupting trade or whatever, a threat in terms of being

625
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: able to spread communist propaganda, just by their actual proximity

626
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: to the rest of the country. So they are actually

627
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: refused or forbidden to broadcast. And this is something that

628
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: stayed in place, i believe, until the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we can also see the perspective

630
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: of people who are supporting a push for socialism or

631
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: communism because for centuries this place was an oligarchy of

632
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: very powerful families. Right, so the folks got fed up.

633
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: But also that's kind of a hard hammer to bring

634
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: down to say that you can't broadcast at all. It

635
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: just showed. It shows us how terrified people were during

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Speaker 1: the Cold War. It was the only communist country west

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Speaker 1: of the Iron Curtains, so that's right. Yeah, so it's

638
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: a big concern, but they survived. You can go to

639
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: San Marino today. It is the only Italian city state

640
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: that is around now a.

641
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Lot like Monaco and Andorra that we've discussed before. I

642
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: think we haven't gotten the Lincoln. But it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: it kind of they like have their own language, you know.

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Speaker 2: I believe it is called Ramagnall or sorry Romanyall, which

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Speaker 2: is an old dialect of that region, you know, the

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Speaker 2: the Amelia Romagna region.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And because I did put in a snarky aside

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Speaker 1: about how their government was dudes only for a while,

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Speaker 1: we should say women gained the right to vote, they

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Speaker 1: gained suffrage and the franchise in nineteen sixty. San Marino

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Speaker 1: joined the Council of Europe in nineteen eighty eight, and

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Speaker 1: since the end of World War Two they have been

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Speaker 1: increasingly progressive. You can see that tourism has become a

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Speaker 1: growing source of income for the country, as has wine, cheese,

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Speaker 1: banking and finance cost cough, love.

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Speaker 2: It, love love banking that they've got going on there.

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Speaker 2: They also have some pretty incredible architecture and the downtown

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Speaker 2: area of San Marino it displays some really incredible medieval

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Speaker 2: historic architecture, so that actually was declared a UNESCO World

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Speaker 2: Heritage Site.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, And they have a lot of cool festivals

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Speaker 1: if you happen to be in town. Of course, spoiler,

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Speaker 1: the Feast of San Marino is a big one for Marinus,

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Speaker 1: the founder of the place. There is no official holiday

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Speaker 1: for the crazy heckler who drove him out of Ramini

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Speaker 1: that we know of. Maybe that's more underground. San Marino

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Speaker 1: has a population of like thirty three thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 1: something people, so it's still very small place.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny it's considering its size. It definitely still

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Speaker 2: does pretty significant tourism business.

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Speaker 1: But as far as the whole of Europe, is concerned.

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Speaker 1: I think it was.

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, it received the dubious title of least

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Speaker 2: visited country in Europe.

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Speaker 3: I just want to let you guys know I did

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Speaker 3: some quicker math during the episode. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about how small Andorra is, and Monica is

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Speaker 3: actually a good bit smaller than this country. But and

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Speaker 3: Dora is like seven point six seven times bigger than

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Speaker 3: this country. And Doras is a little speck and barely

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Speaker 3: found on the map. It's just like, this thing is tiny.

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Speaker 1: San Marino is a town. Uh is a country that

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Speaker 1: is a town. It's an Italian city state all its own.

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Speaker 1: We've got to give one shout out, though we're digging in.

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Speaker 1: This is a true story, fellow ridiculous historians. Once upon

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Speaker 1: a time, famous wrestler who also became US President, Abraham Lincoln,

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Speaker 1: wrote a letter to San Marino and said, quote, although

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Speaker 1: your dominion is small, nevertheless your state is one of

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Speaker 1: the most honored throughout history. So he wrote them some

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Speaker 1: fan mail, and they said, you know what, buddy, you're

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Speaker 1: a citizen. That's why we've been hockey about trying to

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Speaker 1: become citizens of sam Marino. Well, I mean that'd be

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Speaker 1: kind of cool, right, a Sammarinese passport.

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Speaker 3: I might have screwed us over in that one a

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Speaker 3: couple times. Maybe I'll add myself out of this episode.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, And I think that's where we call

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Speaker 1: it today. We hope you enjoy these journeys through micro nations, Noel, Max,

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys join me in this my new

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Speaker 1: weird thing. I'm done with hot air balloons now it's

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Speaker 1: about trying to get citizenship in micronations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I support that much more as a co afraid of

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Speaker 3: heights person on this podcast, I hot air balloon suck.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, teach their own, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Teach their own and if we will, we will learn

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Speaker 1: more about the hot air balloon industry in San Marino,

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Speaker 1: perhaps in another episode, but for now. Big big thanks

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Speaker 1: to super producer mister Max Williams. Big big thanks to

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Speaker 1: research associate Jeff Bartletts, Noel, who else, Big thanks to.

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Speaker 2: Alex Williams compose our themes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna go to Napolion and that makes

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Speaker 1: no sense in this context.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly nothing.

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Speaker 1: Chris rascionis here in spirit Eves Jeffcoates you, Ben Max.

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Speaker 2: We've got to be some kind of coalition or royal

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Speaker 2: Council of Regents or legates or whatever.

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Speaker 1: We should give ourselves titles.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do that next time, and we'll

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