WEBVTT - 040624 Real Migrants Love America (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host. Rams's job is Rams's job. I

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<v Speaker 2>am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>You are tuned in the Civic Cipher and we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that we are still going to be talking about some

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<v Speaker 1>things that really matter. This time, we're going to shift

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<v Speaker 1>the lens away from you know, collective struggle, to one community,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular our Mexican American and Latino Latina LATINX brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters. It's been a tough time around political season

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<v Speaker 1>typically is because everybody has a new thing to be

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of, which is the border. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>everything is right with the border, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fear that I believe is unnecessary, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of delve into that by discussing the migrant

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<v Speaker 1>workers who lost their lives while they were working to

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<v Speaker 1>make this country better. But before we get there, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Information Network. So a once widely used test overestimated how

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<v Speaker 1>healthy black people's kidneys actually were, and automated formula calculated

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<v Speaker 1>results for black and non black patients differently, causing a

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<v Speaker 1>delay in diagnosis for organ failure and evaluation for transplants.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years ago, the National Kidney Foundation and the

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<v Speaker 1>American Society of Nephronology SORRY Nephrology pushed for labor laboratories

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<v Speaker 1>to change how they calculated kidney function. The US Organ

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<v Speaker 1>Transplant Network followed suit by ordering hospitals to use only

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<v Speaker 1>race neutral tests when adding patients to kidney waiting lists.

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<v Speaker 1>In an attempt at restorative justice, the Transplant Network gave

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals a year to find which black patients could have

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<v Speaker 1>qualified for a new kidney sooner and adjust their way

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<v Speaker 1>time to make up for it. Roughly fourteen three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>black patients were moved up the list between January and

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<v Speaker 1>March of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that this is the BABA. The behavior

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<v Speaker 2>is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hospitals going back and adjusting same who's been on this

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<v Speaker 1>list black that could have benefited had the data been right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get them prioritized.

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<v Speaker 1>But this also kind of shows the harm in how

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<v Speaker 1>the medical industry fails Black people using bogus data, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say that we're superhumans or inhuman all kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's based on slave experiments during slavery that again

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<v Speaker 1>are just bogus. So shout out to all these people

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<v Speaker 1>making it right. All right, So today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a moment and if we can. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>last week you shared a story about Grayson and there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people that were very interested in that.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrote in and sent emails and hit us on the

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<v Speaker 1>social media and all that sort of stuff. But if

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<v Speaker 1>we have some time, I'd like to get you to

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<v Speaker 1>give our listeners an update. But before we get there, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to discuss the people who lost their lives in.

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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore. Okay, so I'm going to go through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Dorlan Roniel Castillo Cabrera, twenty six, of Dundalk, lost his

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<v Speaker 1>life in the Key Bridge collapse. Originally from Guatemala. A

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<v Speaker 1>friend described Castillo Cabrera as a giving person who was

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<v Speaker 1>quick to offer rides and other assistans stance to fellow

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Latino community. Okay So originally from Guatemala.

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel Luna, aged forty nine, was from the town of

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<v Speaker 1>California in Al Salvador. He immigrated to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>about nineteen years ago, according to CASA, a nonprofit supporting

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants of which Luna was a member. Alex Alejandro Hernandez

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<v Speaker 1>Flintes was age thirty five and he was the foreman

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<v Speaker 1>of the crew working on the bridge that night. Former

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<v Speaker 1>coworkers described him as a fireball who took his job

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<v Speaker 1>seriously and climbed the ranks at Brauner Builders, going from

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<v Speaker 1>a laborer to driving a company truck. Hernandez was a

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<v Speaker 1>devout Christian who often encouraged his coworkers to turn on

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<v Speaker 1>religious radio stations as they drove from job to job. Hernandez,

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<v Speaker 1>who was born in Mexico and lived in Essex, left

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<v Speaker 1>behind a wife and four children. Maynor Yasir Suazo Sandoval

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<v Speaker 1>Ah thirty eight, grew up in Aza Coppa, Honduras. He

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<v Speaker 1>immigrated to the United States one seventeen years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>often sent money back to his hometown, even sponsoring a

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<v Speaker 1>soccer league. He had a wife and two children and

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Owings Mills. Dorlean, Oh Sorry, Jose Minor Lopez

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<v Speaker 1>was in his thirties. Was described as a loving family

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<v Speaker 1>man and an intentive father. He immigrated to United States

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years ago from Guatemala in order to create better

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities for his family. He had four children, including a

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<v Speaker 1>young daughter. His uncle Wilmore Raoul Ortayana said, and other

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<v Speaker 1>people have identified him as one of the victims on

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge. The Mexican embassy told the son that three

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican man Carlos Hernandez, Alejandro Hernandez and Julio were related

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<v Speaker 1>to one another. So it's important for us to say

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<v Speaker 1>the names of these gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>He can talk about Dorlean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yep, we did. Yeah, so he was the

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<v Speaker 1>first one we talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, So.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is interesting here is that this shows

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<v Speaker 1>a picture that brings some balance to the national dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>This gives people a glimpse into exactly who the people

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the border either are or can ultimately become.

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<v Speaker 2>Right there. I think think it's a mixture of both

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<v Speaker 2>sure sure who they are and who they can become.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the really unfortunate things about where we

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<v Speaker 1>are right now as a country is that we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at our southern border. It's a political issue. It's very politicized,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly on the right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Famously, Donald Trump told his Republican colleagues, Hey, don't work

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<v Speaker 1>with if the Democrats don't work with Joe Biden. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to campaign on stronger borders. And so if if

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is able to create a stronger border right now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one last thing I can campaign on. I need

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<v Speaker 1>that to now I'm I'm giving you the translation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's basically going to use this, as he

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<v Speaker 1>did in the last election cycle, to stir up fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Stir up is the perfect words exactly what caring in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. Yeah, yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>The best way to do that, to really lean into

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<v Speaker 1>the fear part of it is to villainize, villainize and

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<v Speaker 1>demonize the people who are coming here right now. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to pretend like I'm an expert on

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<v Speaker 1>the border, but I do recognize that we do need

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<v Speaker 1>you know, control or you know something, you know some

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<v Speaker 1>way to you know, get these folks in and back out,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are people don't come here to live, They

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<v Speaker 1>just come here to work, right, and there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that benefit from that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's big money involved.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it's a political issue, people that don't live

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<v Speaker 1>this close to the border, they just look at it like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an invasion. And that's the word that is used

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<v Speaker 1>on Fox News and other right wing media outlets, despicable, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look at these people that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about today, all of these people came from other countries

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<v Speaker 1>south of our border, and I would argue that these

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<v Speaker 1>people lost their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Building a better America quite literally literally right as gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw lives in the Owyens Mills. I used to

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<v Speaker 3>live in the owys Mills. So you're talking about something

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<v Speaker 3>that hits really close to home. Myself and Thomas who

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you know, it's real sugs. We all live

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<v Speaker 3>together in these meals. I saw that name drive years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Q has some some really interesting friends. But yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely something here that makes me feel like, how would

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<v Speaker 1>I say this? This is a very unfair time for

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<v Speaker 1>our Latino Latina LATINX, the migrant community. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>tough time, you know. Uh And and I also want

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<v Speaker 1>to provide some more context. You know, I live in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was here when I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>SB seventy two something like that basically gave the police

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<v Speaker 1>the power to stop anyone that looked looked.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they were illegal. Goodness gracious man.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, start the process of deporting those people, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem with that is that where we live,

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<v Speaker 1>this used to be Mexico. A lot of people forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of the people that live here

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<v Speaker 1>they always lived here. And a law like that, it

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<v Speaker 1>gives the police the ability to harass people who maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're not here illegally. The people who are here illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people like this. We both know people like

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<v Speaker 1>this who've been trying to get their citizenship. For you,

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<v Speaker 1>they came here and when they were two years old

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're thirty seven, and they're like, it's decades

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<v Speaker 1>long process. And now with this legislation being passed, these

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<v Speaker 1>people can pick on me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very scary time. Right. So, just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that our.

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers and sisters in that community are living with that again,

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<v Speaker 1>we felt like it was very important to.

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<v Speaker 2>Share this.

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<v Speaker 1>Snapshot into what that actually translates into.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's good. I just want to add Ramsey

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<v Speaker 3>sent this story to me just realizing how important these

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<v Speaker 3>conversations are to have and a part of the foundation

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<v Speaker 3>of Civic Cipher when when Rams just presented the idea,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea was never just to have our voices heard,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was almost ingrained to the very foundation of

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<v Speaker 3>this show that when other people needed amplification and support

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<v Speaker 3>and a space to share their voices and have their

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<v Speaker 3>messages and their and their hurt heard, and and and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, for lack of better broadcast, that Civic Sipher

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<v Speaker 3>would be a vehicle for that. So I just think

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<v Speaker 3>it's very important that you guys know who Rams this

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<v Speaker 3>is and that from the very start of this that

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<v Speaker 3>that was something that was important to them absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do want you to know that for this

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<v Speaker 1>we spent the better part of the week doing our

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<v Speaker 1>best to try to find someone from this community, an

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<v Speaker 1>activists who you know, would work in this space to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of share some perspective and give us some insight

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<v Speaker 1>and give us some data and what's going on on

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<v Speaker 1>the border and those sorts of things, and we did

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<v Speaker 1>our best, and everyone that we had booked something came

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<v Speaker 1>up or whatever. And it's not like us to speak

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone who is, you know, capable of speaking for themselves. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't come together, and we felt like, because

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<v Speaker 1>this moment was right now, it was really important to

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<v Speaker 1>explain how this might feel in that community. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you know the stories, the real stories, when you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look my uncle or my cousin or my you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these family friends of mine or these people that I know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're hard working, good people. They come across they work,

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<v Speaker 1>they work in fields. You know, it's not like these

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<v Speaker 1>people are coming over here and you know whatever, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is that people say, most of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>are coming here for economic opportunities are not coming over

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<v Speaker 1>here to start trouble. Unlike what the President said, they're

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<v Speaker 1>sending Mexico sending their worst, some bad dudes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>criminals and rapists. Mexico isn't sending people. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>they're letting people out of jail and shipping them up

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<v Speaker 1>to the border. That's not real. Based on the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the real people that live this close to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>what's real is that you know, people are here doing

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<v Speaker 1>honest work. People are doing their best to try to

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<v Speaker 1>navigate a system that is not an easy system to navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>People are here, you know, working and doing jobs and

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<v Speaker 1>contributing value to society. And that is our lived experience,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our reality.

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<v Speaker 2>We see it every day.

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<v Speaker 1>And these borders, these imaginary lines that human beings in

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<v Speaker 1>positions of power draw to delineate us from them and

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<v Speaker 1>to other people, results in, you know, a value system,

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of like a de facto value system,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that's something that's held over people's heads. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>with a system that does not allow people to now

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<v Speaker 1>have a gate the how would I say this the

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<v Speaker 1>proper way of doing things as easily as you should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to and as quickly as you should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to, you end up with a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of in limbo that are still doing good work,

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<v Speaker 1>that are still contributing, that are still providing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of value to a society. And so when we use

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<v Speaker 1>the example of these gentlemen who were working maintaining the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's other people like them, you know, there's people

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<v Speaker 1>like them everywhere. You know, we're Baltimore is on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the country from where we are, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we have people there from Mexico. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how deep into the country you have to be. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how ambitious for work that you have to be to

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<v Speaker 1>end up in Baltimore. And then when you lose your

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<v Speaker 1>life doing a job that makes this country better, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, the news suggested that this was

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<v Speaker 1>like the sixth busiest port in the country. That's not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And who's working on it, who's maintaining it, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>really easy to think about, you know, things like this

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<v Speaker 1>that take place behind the scenes, you know, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know or to not think about it. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>get up, jump in your car, go to work. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the week, you go on a vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, and you pay a little thought to

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<v Speaker 1>who's taking care of these bridges, why are these roads

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<v Speaker 1>so smooth, or why aren't these roads smoother or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, unless it becomes a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're not really focused on that. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the nice things that we take for granted,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that kind of play in the background, there

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<v Speaker 1>are actual people doing that. And you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of there are a lot of people that do it

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<v Speaker 1>in the front too, Make no mistake, you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people that do it in the front,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously we interact with those folks too. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue that the real badone of a society

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<v Speaker 1>are people just like this, people who get taken for granted,

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<v Speaker 1>and they work long, hard jobs in some instances, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's thankless work because again, you know, it's it's really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to be just kind of operating in the shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the meanwhile, you know, in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras and in front of the people and the

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<v Speaker 1>crowds and the audiences, our politicians are suggesting that people

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<v Speaker 1>just like this are the reason that the country is

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<v Speaker 1>not further along, These are the reason that the people

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<v Speaker 1>that the country is not as safe as people want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be. And it's it's just a really hurtful

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<v Speaker 1>time to live in. And unless you know this, and

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<v Speaker 1>unless we share this with you, it becomes it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like we're committing the injustice at that point, And as

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<v Speaker 1>Q was mentioning, you know, we created this show knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that we would have to share this show. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>know my older brother is raka irascience of the dilated peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that he told us is,

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget about all the people who are out there

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<v Speaker 1>protesting on your behalf when you build this show and

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<v Speaker 1>you have it on seventy five radio stations around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>which is quite an accomplishment. Of course, remember that not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is going to be in a position to have

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<v Speaker 1>a radio show that's all over the country like that,

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to say what's going on in their

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<v Speaker 1>community and not be able to explain to potential allies

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<v Speaker 1>how it feels to be who they are, how it

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<v Speaker 1>feels to live in a world, in a country at least,

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<v Speaker 1>where this type of rhetoric is shared openly and go

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<v Speaker 1>and these things go unchecked and everybody seems to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really cool with it being that way. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just really not a fear predicament to be in. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that was something that we decided, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very early on, that we were absolutely going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, when my brother told me that we

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<v Speaker 1>should make sure that we build that in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when it was stop Asian hate, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to do our best to amplify the Asian

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<v Speaker 1>voices that could invite everyone to the table and discuss

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<v Speaker 1>ways that we can protect our Asian American and Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Islander brothers and sisters. Of course, the same is true

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<v Speaker 1>with the lgbt q I A plus community, with our

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous brothers and sisters, and so forth, and so on

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<v Speaker 1>and time and again with our Latino Latino LATINX brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters as well, And this time felt particularly timely,

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<v Speaker 1>so because I don't want this to just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be a news piece where we're like lamorizing the passing

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<v Speaker 1>of these people and it's sensational. I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>share the names again because I don't think that these

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<v Speaker 1>people should just be remembered for dying. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>they're full human beings and they deserve better than that.

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<v Speaker 1>So once again, dor lean Roni al Castillo Cabrera lived

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<v Speaker 1>to be twenty six years old, and again his friends

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<v Speaker 1>described him as a giving person who was quick to

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<v Speaker 1>offer rides and assistants to fellow members of the Latin community.

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel Luno was aged forty nine when he passed. He

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<v Speaker 1>is from Al Salvador and he came to the US

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years ago. Alejandro Hernandez Flentiss lived to be thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five the foreman and people described him as a fireball

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<v Speaker 1>who took his job seriously. He was a devout Christian

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<v Speaker 1>and he left behind a wife and four children. Maynor

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<v Speaker 1>Yasir Suazo Sondeval lived to be thirty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Grew up in Honduras and he came to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States about seventeen years ago. It sent money back to

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<v Speaker 1>his hometown. He sponsored a soccer league, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a wife and two children that he left behind. Jose

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<v Speaker 1>Mignor Lopez was in his thirties and he was described

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<v Speaker 1>as a loving family man and an attentive father. He

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<v Speaker 1>came to the United States nineteen years ago from Guatemala

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<v Speaker 1>to receive to create better opportunities for his family. He

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<v Speaker 1>left behind four children, including a young daughter and Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>Hernandez was one of the victims who died on the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge as well, and the Mexican Embassy said that he

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<v Speaker 1>was related to some of the other folks there. So

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<v Speaker 1>rest in peace, y'all. We won't forget you around here anyway.

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