WEBVTT - Why Would I Read That Crap??!! 

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already proud and prejudiced. Why would I want to

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<v Speaker 1>read that crap. It's one more thing I'm a reference,

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<v Speaker 1>of course to Jane Austen is pride and prejudice, which

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<v Speaker 1>I believe is a guidebook to get you better at

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<v Speaker 1>those two qualities.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah I uh, I'm going to say this on the

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<v Speaker 2>air so that it kind of backs me into having

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Oh boy, this is not a good

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<v Speaker 2>story about me, or maybe it is, depends on how

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<v Speaker 2>you look at it. I have to go to apologize

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<v Speaker 2>to a bank teller today, oh boy, because yesterday I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing something and there was some dumb, just dumb,

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<v Speaker 2>bureaucratic hiccup in me trying to deposit this check. This one.

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<v Speaker 2>I should switch banks. There's one particular bank I've been

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<v Speaker 2>going to forever. They've gotten crappier and crappier and crappier

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, with more and more and more stupid

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<v Speaker 2>just crap, and it's so annoying. And it takes like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes to deposit a check for some reason I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why anyway, which I only have to do

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<v Speaker 2>like twice a year. But you can't do it through

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<v Speaker 2>the ATM passed us whatever it was my it was

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<v Speaker 2>my refund check from the State of California. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the way you don't believe this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is it's just AnyWho. What I did was that

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta go apologize for today. Is he needed something

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<v Speaker 2>else which seemed ridiculous to me and I already hate

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<v Speaker 2>this bank. And uh. He said you need to take

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<v Speaker 2>all your stuff with you and I said, there's nobody here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a completely empty bank. I said, oh, could be

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<v Speaker 2>our I'll go out to my cards right there. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you need to take all this stuff right here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't leave this here, my check and driver's license

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<v Speaker 2>and the stuff that I had for our little thing

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing. Yeah, I said, I'm going right out

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<v Speaker 2>to my truck. He said you can't leave this here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, well, that's freaking ridiculous. And I grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>my stuff and I walked out. So I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>back and apologize that for that today, because all he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing was following their bank rules. I'm sure doing

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<v Speaker 2>what his boss tells.

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<v Speaker 1>Them to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, you know, I didn't need to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to go back and apologize him today,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'll get that off of my mind because I

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<v Speaker 2>keep thinking about saying, you know, criticizing something, poor young

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<v Speaker 2>guy just doing his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's tell the whole story. Did you call him

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<v Speaker 1>a dumb effort?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was the whole thing, A greasy hair jack, rabbit, anything, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. I don't even think I said friggin'

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just said, well, that's ridiculous, and grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>my stuff in a huff and walked out and then

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<v Speaker 2>came back. But I didn't need to do that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't need to be feeling bad about doing his job.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will go back today and walk in there

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<v Speaker 2>and probably wait in line, and I'll walk out and

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<v Speaker 2>he'll still think I'm a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>But right, well, he left in a huff. You should

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<v Speaker 1>have waited a second, left in a second and a huff.

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<v Speaker 1>Groucho Marx nineteen thirty Fourish.

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<v Speaker 2>I since I was a little kid, and I should

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<v Speaker 2>get better. It's just the way of the world. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never liked dumb rules. Dumb rules have always bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the point sometimes of dumb rules.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I kind of get that rule though.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm sure, I understand why it exists in an

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<v Speaker 2>empty bank. Just him and me walk him to Barkamara.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna walk right back here. Yeah, it'll take me.

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<v Speaker 2>It took me fifteen twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but whatever. Yeah, it's it's it's avoiding that whole

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<v Speaker 1>you stole my blanking scenario, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>almost got in one of those the other day. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>misplaced something and was sure I knew where it was misplaced.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up being wrong, and I'm glad I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>escalate the conversation at all. Uh No, I left it here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I left it here, and one he has it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those situations, but they seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>of good character, and so I let it go, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that's unlikely and I'm not going to be the mane

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<v Speaker 1>is stealing my jewelry person, And you turned out you

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<v Speaker 1>were wrong anyway. Oh yeah, I had put it somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>utterly inexplicable. I mean, I will never think figure out

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<v Speaker 1>why I would have done what I did. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was akin to not quite as crazy, but akin

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<v Speaker 1>to putting your screwdriver in the refrigerator and the milk

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<v Speaker 1>in your tool chest. You know. It's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things not paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I swore up and down. I left my credit

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<v Speaker 2>card for my son because he needed it for something

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't. I left him my insurance card, which

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<v Speaker 2>is really no value. Well, I have some value, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's no good to buy anything at the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah huh. Anyway, uh so we're discussing or

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<v Speaker 1>My introduction was a reference to pride and prejudice. You

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<v Speaker 1>may recall I haven't read I'm going to read that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like two down my list. I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to that enough. People that I really respect say that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great all time pieces of literature, and

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<v Speaker 1>I should read it. It's a really, really good window

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<v Speaker 1>into Victorian customs and values.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta admit I tend to stay away from chick books, but.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter, Delanni and my wife are huge fans. They

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<v Speaker 1>kist women are practically recite the like the most celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>screen version of it. I can't tell you how many

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<v Speaker 1>times I heard oh, mister Bingley, mister Darcy around my house. Hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Good times. Anyway, Texas is out with their required booklist,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a trend among conservative state. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm sorry for uh curriculu, school curriculum, curricula. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a trend. There are a couple of universities

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish I had it in front of me

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<v Speaker 1>who's doing this. But the message that they're sending is,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more than delighted to show you what we are

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<v Speaker 1>teaching your children, progressive places you next. And there's also

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<v Speaker 1>an element of hey, we're going to teach the classics

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<v Speaker 1>because their classics were proud of it, their great literature.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Western civilization. We're not ashamed Western civilization. Come look,

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<v Speaker 1>both of which I think are absolutely wonderful trends. Anyway, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>I deliberately grabbed the account from the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>about the Texas book List because I knew it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a it would be annoying. And they name check

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of the lists, and they have the entire

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<v Speaker 1>list for various grades, which I'll touch on in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. They go through the mechanics of how this

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<v Speaker 1>came to be. The list was applauded in some corners

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<v Speaker 1>for prioritizing reading at a time when many students are

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<v Speaker 1>reading fewer whole books. In schooling at home. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also highly contested, in part because it includes excerpts from

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. It also puts a focus on classic texts,

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<v Speaker 1>often written by white and male authors, a stirring debate

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<v Speaker 1>about what qualifies as essential literature. In a highly diverse state,

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<v Speaker 1>teachers can still assign additional books on top of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones required. The whole anti white, anti male they won.

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<v Speaker 2>They won, by the way. Who dat the people that

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<v Speaker 2>don't that wanted to drive out literature written of the

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<v Speaker 2>classic literature written by straight white males, old dead white males.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Harold Bloom, who was one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>fighters of that in American history, I just happened to

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<v Speaker 2>come across his one of his final interviews before he

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<v Speaker 2>died about fifteen years ago. He was a professor at Yale,

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<v Speaker 2>taught Shakespeare primarily, but all kinds of American literature. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was not a conservative. I mean, he thought we

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<v Speaker 2>were living in a theocracy under George Bush. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he was one of those people. I mean he was

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<v Speaker 2>a hardcore Democrat, I know, whatever, but hated the new

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<v Speaker 2>woke erase, the Western canon because it was dead white

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<v Speaker 2>males thing, and particularly because he thought Shakespeare was the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest writer in human history. He hated the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>at the time that he started lecturing about this, there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a university in the country teaching Shakespeare trade up

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<v Speaker 2>straight up. I mean, like this is, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 2>read Hamlet because it's a great piece of literature. You

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<v Speaker 2>would only bring up Shakespeare if you brought it up

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Mostly it wasn't brought up at all. But

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<v Speaker 2>the only reason you'd bring it up is to show

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<v Speaker 2>how they didn't have enough a women, or didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>enough gay people, or didn't handle slim well, or what it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was going to deconstruct it exactly right imblematize it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he as a left he fought against this

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<v Speaker 2>and just got attacked endlessly. He spent the last ten

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<v Speaker 2>years of his life fighting against people who had been

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<v Speaker 2>his best friends his whole life because they thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was on the wrong side of history. And I saw

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<v Speaker 2>one of his last interviews the other day on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was so depressing to me. He's all, he's

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<v Speaker 2>all bent over, his body had given out on him.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a microphone they're holding up to his mouth

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<v Speaker 2>as he's in a wheelchair, and uh, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I'd never done it, he said. It cost

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<v Speaker 2>me too much. I lost all my friends and I lost.

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<v Speaker 2>I lost the battle. It's over. The universities no longer

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<v Speaker 2>teach that stuff. It's never coming back, he said. All

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<v Speaker 2>I could do is hope there's a remnant of some

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<v Speaker 2>of us. It was his last year teaching, and he

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<v Speaker 2>taught like ten people at Yale in the Shakespeare class

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<v Speaker 2>because no kids wanted to take it. He said, All

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<v Speaker 2>I can do is hope to educate a remnant for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my life, which didn't end up being

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<v Speaker 2>much longer. He said. We lost, and hopefully someday it

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<v Speaker 2>will come back again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Harold, if you're looking down from the heaven, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe in or up from similarly described hell. They

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<v Speaker 1>were winning for a long time, but there is a

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<v Speaker 1>counter fight going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it's not over. Is it not horrifying though,

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<v Speaker 2>that Shakespeare went from being the greatest writer in human

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<v Speaker 2>history to not taught in our colleges at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you stood up for it, you got destroyed. That's horrifying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>In the midst of the terror in the French Revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure lots of people probably went to the guillotines thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, they won. Right they did for a while. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't give up on any of this stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. But Texas's list, which is controversial in some quarters,

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<v Speaker 1>includes the Holy Bible. I read an absolutely terrific defense

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<v Speaker 1>of it, more eloquent than I can provide about how

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot understand much in literature without being passingly familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with the Bible and its stories. The Bible. That's right, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I just said. But it goes from kindergarten

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<v Speaker 1>where they have you reading the Berenstain Bears in the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Rule, for instance, and The Cat and the Hat

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<v Speaker 1>by Doctor Seuss, among other classics, to classic nursery rhymes

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<v Speaker 1>Goldilocks and the Three Bears, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Three Little Bear, Doctor Seuss took money from Apak.

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<v Speaker 1>Hilarious, The Three Little Pigs slash Los Tres Serditos, a

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<v Speaker 1>bilingual story book by Patricia Seibert. Anyway, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>problem with that. Let's see. Grade one includes Abe Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 1>The Boy who Loved Books Beautiful something called Aboila by

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Doros. So you're reflecting Hispanic culture. Wait, a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go back to that sentence by the annoying

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<v Speaker 1>fing New York Times quote unquote journalist. It puts a

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<v Speaker 1>focus on classic texts often written by white and male authors,

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<v Speaker 1>but nowhere near exclusively. So I guess you threw that

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<v Speaker 1>in because you just feel like you have to God,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are annoying. What grade do you want? Name

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<v Speaker 1>a grade, Michael. You get to pick the grade name

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<v Speaker 1>of grade any grade seventh, seventh grade, here you go,

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<v Speaker 1>grade seven, The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see Letter to the Hebrew Congregation at Newport by

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington. I don't know that the Shepherd's Psalm from

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Psalms, Chapter twenty three by King the

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<v Speaker 1>King James Versu.

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<v Speaker 2>Sh having Christiandy down my throat.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're not the outsiders by S. E. Hinton, very famous.

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<v Speaker 1>Got some Dylan Thomas and Langston Hughes from Robert Frost.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff. Let's see grade eight, grade nine, grade ten.

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<v Speaker 1>What have they got? The seniors in high school reading

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<v Speaker 1>the twelve vers Hamlet by William Shakespeare to deconstruct it

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<v Speaker 1>and problematize, and I'm sure, yeah, the thing then then

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that really depressed me because I've taken in

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<v Speaker 1>so much Harold Blooms stuff, uh recently, because I got

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<v Speaker 1>on this Shakespeare kick.

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<v Speaker 2>And he used to be on Charlie Rose all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>back when that was what passed for being a lefty.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he was hunted down by you know, the other

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<v Speaker 2>people academy and he was a pariah. So he went

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<v Speaker 2>from being a regular on Charlie Rose as a ill

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<v Speaker 2>professor to a pariah. But the thing that was depressing

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<v Speaker 2>is watching an interview with him from like nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two and he was talking about, you know, I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the fight for my life Charlie for trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Shakespeare in the colleges. But this is a blip in time.

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<v Speaker 2>They won't win. It's just a select few people. Back then,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody used the term political correctness instead of woke. But

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<v Speaker 2>he taught political correctness will have its time, but it

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<v Speaker 2>will go away. Shakespeare will prevail. It went from that

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<v Speaker 2>in ninety two, little by little, year by year, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was inside these in your universities. He taught at Yale,

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<v Speaker 2>he taught at NYU, he did stuff at Stanford. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in and and to the end of his life

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<v Speaker 2>where he said we lost. I lost the battle. It

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<v Speaker 2>is over. They won. Uh. He saw it go in

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<v Speaker 2>that direction little by little over the years. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's so depressing. Yeah, yeah, it is as as

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<v Speaker 2>I I've quoted before Christopher Hitchens said, you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the end of civilizations, the barbarians at the gate. The

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<v Speaker 2>reality is the barbarians woke, walk in the gates with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody holding the door from them. That's the way civilizations.

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<v Speaker 1>Die, right right. So Grade eleven Ray Bradbury for height

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<v Speaker 1>four fifty one, you got some Kurt Vonnegut, some mine ran,

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<v Speaker 1>some Thomas Sowell, uh, Nathaniel Hawthorne.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't introduced to hardly any of this stuff in school.

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<v Speaker 2>It all came later on the round.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeaharnheim first fifty one was required.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty sure. I never read Kurt Vonnagut in school.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. It was one of the formative experiences of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, reading his short story Harrison bergeron which every

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<v Speaker 1>child should read ten times by the time they get

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<v Speaker 1>out of high school. Yeah. Let's see, Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>really good. This is terrific. Grade nine you got Animal Farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see the Lyceum address by Abraham Lincoln, which is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely brilliant Ozymandias by Percy is it bite Bishe Shelley.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just go with Percy Shelley. I've never really got

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<v Speaker 1>into poetry that much. It was never taught to me,

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of good stuff, including the Parable of the

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<v Speaker 1>Prodigal Sun.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're right they can make a comeback. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm always more optimistic in these things than

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<v Speaker 1>you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I'm wrong. I would rub I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong. I would roll around in my wrongness. If

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff can make a comeback, well.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can quote unquote when for fifth the years

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<v Speaker 1>and then it gets rolled back, if that's as good

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<v Speaker 1>as it gets, that's as good as it gets. But

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<v Speaker 1>you got to keep fighting it one way or another,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I remember reading about the Civil War, how

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<v Speaker 1>depressing it was, how the Union endured defeat after defeat,

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<v Speaker 1>and the incompetence of McClellan in particular. It's just astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people more or less gave up. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's why you keep fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only is it like you know, I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's wrong and depressing. All that sort of stuff. The

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<v Speaker 2>self pleasedness of these people who are smarter than all

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the last four hundred years. Shakespeare has

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<v Speaker 2>some problems, you know, and we are now, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, after four centuries, way smarter than everybody that's

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<v Speaker 2>come before. They didn't realize how awful this was. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna kill it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the smug self congressional progressivesm makes me insane, But

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's where you keep fighting. You're either gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win or you're gonna go down. Swinging one of Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Petty's greatest songs, Swinging like Sonny Listen, man, I love

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<v Speaker 1>that song. That ought to be required listening in Texas

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<v Speaker 1>and everywhere else. Also read three Shakespeare's Michael portraying the

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<v Speaker 1>modern university. Well, I guess that's it. That's great.