1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Let's give a quick shout 4 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: out to the Man, the Myth, the Legend. Our own 5 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: crampis super producer mister Max Williams. 6 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: Woo, you can put me in a mole and cook 7 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: me in asana. 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: A bit of a benker, you always whipping kids with reds. 9 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: He's a bit of a cranklin Chris. He's a cheerful 10 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: holiday creature. None of that holiday darkness resides in our 11 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: right and we also want to make space for, of course, 12 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: the real crampis of our show, Jonathan Strickland, aka the Quizz, 13 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: who was not able to appear for this recording as 14 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: he is busy trying to ruin the holiday experience of children. 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: We also didn't invite him. 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: We lightly implied that he could show up, and he 17 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: said he's busy because there are too many happy four 18 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: year olds on the planet. And that's classic Jonathan, That's 19 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: classic Noel Brown. They would call me Ben in part 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: classic Ben Prime, Ben Prime. Thank you, Nol, I appreciate that. 21 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: I love that one. We also decided here at the 22 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: end of the calendar year, to explore Christmas traditions that 23 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: may be unfamiliar to a lot of our fellow ridiculous 24 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: historians in the audience tonight. So we talked previously at 25 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: length about the Mule Lads. We talked about other different 26 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: holiday traditions that might seem odd to outsiders. I think 27 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: we're going to round robin this one, right, I propose 28 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: that we go back and forth with cool stuff. Now, 29 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: let's imagine everybody hearing this right before Christmas. For those 30 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: who celebrate Max, you got to know that Nola and 31 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: I are working on a thing for our sister show 32 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: called The Elf and the Shelf on the Shelf. Are 33 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: you familiar with this Elf on the Shelf? 34 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: I've heard about it. I know people who have done 35 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: it or whatnot. I don't really even know what it is. 36 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: Kids are into it. Yeah, it sort of represents the 37 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: surveillance state. 38 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels weird you just put an elf on 39 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: a shelf or something. It feels like remember that that 40 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: game you do as like a teenager or early twenties, 41 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: when you'd ice somebody. You put a smear and off 42 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: ice somewhere and that have that chuck. 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that's the thing anybody. I mean, 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's amazing. 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: Wait, walk us through it. 46 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: I guess, I guess, I don't know. I had a 47 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: group of friends that, you know, you'd just hanging out 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: and you'd walk in a room and they would just 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: make me a smaroff ice put in a weird place, 50 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: and you know, sir, aff ices are disgusting, and if 51 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: you found it in that weird place, you had to 52 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: drop your knees and chug it. 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: What what a life you led? 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: Max? 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: I had a lot after doing that number of times? Probably? No. 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: I did not like it. I did not like it 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: at all. I really liked freth. 59 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: I would have also accepted a zema on the shelf. 60 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: Remember zema, wasn't. 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: That mean at that point if you're lowering the bar, 62 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, if we're playing, if we're playing limbo at 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: at that level, then why not a zema. 64 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: So we're kind of gonna do a bit of a 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: Christmas listical that's somewhat connected to bizarros sometimes terrifying holiday traditions, 66 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 3: a little bit of a deeper cut version. We're gonna 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: do some kind of follow ups for some things that 68 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: we've talked about in the past as well. But geez, Ben, 69 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: how do we start off. We've got some good ones 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: between the three of us. 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. And again, Nol, you and I cannot 72 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: thank super producer Max enough for joining us on this 73 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: strange endeavor. The first thing that we wanted to set 74 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: out right, we've established our thesis. Your local Christmas celebrations 75 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: may not be the same as celebrations in other parts 76 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: of the world. Like here's our entry point. So in Thanksgiving, 77 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: for instance, so a lot of people in the United 78 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: States will will cook a turkey, right, whereas people in 79 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom may cook a goose. All. One thing 80 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: that has been very popular for quite some time in 81 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Scandinavia is the idea of a goat, the yule goat. 82 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: You guys know about this. 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: I don't know about the mule goat, Ben, I don't 84 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: know that I've ever really thought of a goat. Could 85 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: being connected with the holidays, perhaps a lamb, but not a. 86 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Goat, you know, I like your point about lamb. 87 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 3: Ghasts usually a bit of an infernal stand in thinking 88 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: of the black Philip of it all, or like the 89 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: you know, the the cloven hoofs of Satan. 90 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: So the origins of the mule goat are unclear. However, 91 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: it is a it is now in that part of 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: the world, a Christmas tradition. It does come from paganism. 93 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Please do check out our previous episodes on our sister 94 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: show about the surprisingly non Christian origins of Christmas, which 95 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: is quite a tongue twister. H here's the ideal. It's 96 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Christmas time here in Scandinavia. We're in Scandinavia and we 97 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: are celebrating the end of the year in some way. 98 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: So we build a goat effigy out of straw and 99 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: then we burn it. This is probably connected to the 100 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: worship of a Norse god who's been really blowing up 101 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: in Marvel movies and comic books. His name is Thor. 102 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: Heard of him, big muscley guy with a tiny hammer 103 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: that apparently is quite heavy. 104 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Yes, only the worthy you can lift it are stored 105 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: in the stone rolls very much. So, yeah, that's a 106 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: nice connection. So this our buddy Thor, according to the lore, 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: rode the sky in a chariot drawn by two wait 108 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: for it, goats. 109 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 3: Seems like he could have done better, but I assume 110 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: they were magical goats. Good is concerned. 111 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, ghats were way more of a flex back at 112 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: this time when they were writing these myths. And it 113 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: goes back to pre Christian beliefs, way older than Christianity. 114 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: The last sheaf of grain that you bundled up in 115 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: your harvest was thought to be the magical collection of grain. 116 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: It was the spirit of harvest. And they will call 117 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: it you'll bulk it, or the Yule goat. And so 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: as we know, there's the thing called Yule booking. J 119 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: U L E v U kki n G. 120 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: Got it. This is where you do the thing. 121 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Okay, that's where you do it. So you're a person. 122 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: We're celebrating this. We're in Scandinavia. We're people who dawn 123 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: mask and costumes. We call ourselves you bookers, and we 124 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: go door to door and our neighbors say, let me 125 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: figure out who's under that mask, and we're singing Christmas carols. 126 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: We're not breaking into the place, which will come up 127 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: later in this show. And then after we sing for them, 128 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: the folks will reward us with candy if they can't 129 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: identify us. 130 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of these somewhat esoteric Christmas 131 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: myths that always involve either being rewarded with candy or 132 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: punished with pain or minor torture. Okay, yeah, that you 133 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: know what it is ant of your nice thing that 134 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: also goes back to the whole like trick or treat 135 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: thing and a fun one that Max is going to 136 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: talk to us about involving caroling. That it makes it 137 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: resemble trick or treating much more than that one might 138 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: associate breaking in. 139 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: So the the Yule goat to sew this up. It's 140 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: a ritualistic folklore. It's kind of cool if you if 141 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: you go to Finland, you will be able to talk 142 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: to people about word. I can't pronounce juel pookie j 143 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: o u l u p u kk i. It means 144 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Christmas goat uh. And I like the idea, you know, 145 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: it's it's what Caroly descends from. In this case, in Finland, 146 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: you dawn a goat costume and you do a little 147 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: like show, like a busking show, and then in return 148 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: for your performance you get leftover Christmas food. Historically, this 149 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: is very important for that part of the world where 150 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: you can't grow you know, radishes at certain times of 151 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: the year. Got it. 152 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: So there's no there's no actual goat. It's just a 153 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: little bit of a goat effigy made it. 154 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: We do burn the goat. We do build and burn 155 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: a goat like. 156 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: Very very baking okay of burning straw effigy. And then 157 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: I was actually going to bring this as one of 158 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: my topics, but I think I'm just gonna do it 159 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: by way of a quick aside. There's a film that 160 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: came out, I think in twenty twenty three called The 161 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: Lord of Misrule that is very clearly a bit of 162 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: a wicker Man ripoff. And the Lord of Misrule is 163 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: a holiday tradition I believe in medieval times where like 164 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 3: essentially a pleb was assigned to be like appointed in 165 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: Scotland as the you know, essentially presiding over the feast 166 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: of food. It's kind of like a king for a 167 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: day type situation. A peasant or someone lower in the 168 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: church religious order, you know, the hierarchy, and appointed to 169 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: be in charge and organize all of the Christmas events, 170 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: which also included like being in charge of decorations, everything down. 171 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: Temporary temporary authority figure. Doesn't he have another name? I 172 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: think the Abbot of unreason, the Lord of misrule, the 173 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: abbot of I'm reason, ladies and gentleman Jonath, it's Strickland. Yeah. 174 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: And also, if I'm not mistaken, the tradition of the 175 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: Lord of Misrule, there's another thing that's sort of a 176 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: holdover from that, this idea of like in a kingcake 177 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: for example during Marty Gaul or if you get the baby, 178 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: then that means you're king for a day. Or there's 179 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: other Christmas. It's not Christmas, but there are other holiday 180 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: festive baking traditions where if you get a sixpence in 181 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: your figgy pudding I believe in the United Kingdom, then 182 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: that also means something that you're some sort of special 183 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 3: boy for a day. And that came from the tradition 184 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: of I believe, putting a sixpence or some other small 185 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: trinket into a dish that was then consumed in. Whoever 186 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: got the little thing was awarded to be the Lord misrule. 187 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: Ah. Yes, with consequences in the coming year. Right, dating 188 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: back to Saturnalia, that's exactly right, Ben, I meant to 189 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: bring that up. 190 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: It is something that carried on into the Tutor era 191 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: and Elizabethan era. And you know more, I believe in 192 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: the medieval eras as well, but it is another one 193 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: of those pagan origin stories. 194 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be super conservative on this episode, folks. 195 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: All the stuff you love about Christmas comes from somewhere else, 196 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: to be quite honest, And I gotta ask you guys, 197 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: have any of us ever gone caroling. 198 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: I've been a was I've been a wassailin. I've been 199 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 3: a was sailed. I've been a wassailent. 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: It's true, Nolan Ben, Yes, Max knew. 201 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: I think there was one time I went with some 202 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: neighborhood folk when my mother was living in her neighborhood, 203 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: and I played guitar. I accompanied the the revelers on guitar. 204 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: So most of those songs are really easy to play. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: you got the cords down. That's cool man, Max. You're 206 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: going to have a good time when you do it, 207 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: so long as you do not practice anything other than 208 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: the current Caroline or was sailing. 209 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you can't hold me down. But before 210 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: I dive into caroling, I do want to just quote 211 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: a little something off of Wikipedia, which is sure I 212 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: think is a drinking game and internet meme that gained 213 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: prominence in twenty ten in which all feels a bottle 214 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: of Samaranov eyes, which in which another person will find it. 215 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: I've had this stuff for about fifty You're like. 216 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: A moray eel man you bite in. 217 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like you know, establishing mores that we 218 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 3: were not aware of. Max, I was not questioning whether 219 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: it was a real thing or not. It's just something 220 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: that has absolutely not crossed my radar in all of 221 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: my forty something years of existence. So, yeah, mean behaviors, 222 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: that's a relatively new thing. 223 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: And Max, over the centuries that I have been required 224 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: to be here, I have been aware of pranks like that. 225 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: They pop up every so often, and if anything, Man, 226 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm just glad that you're safe. 227 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: Me too. But you know, it was also another horrifying beverage, watle. 228 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: It's like a fortified wine or is it sort of 229 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: like a mead situation. It seems like you'd be thick, 230 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: So let's get to that. 231 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: So I was doing a little research on side thanks 232 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: to the website Yesterday is America, which I'm referencing here 233 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: with the article the Little Known History of the Caroling Tradition. So, 234 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: according to the article, caroling or wastle, as it's already 235 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: been referenced, actually dates back to the thirteenth century, so 236 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: the twelve hundred's. But it wasn't always a Christmas tradition, 237 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: and it wasn't even always about singing. It was actually 238 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: more about going around to people's houses and wishing them 239 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: good cheer and warmth like during the holidays, at least. 240 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: According to them, but according to like the wholesome story. 241 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: And I'm going to interject here because we want to 242 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: get in front of our ridiculous historians who might be 243 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: angry about this. It is kind of racketeering. 244 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: It is get that. We'll get to that, but do. 245 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: You mean it's it's like a bit of like a 246 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: being a vacuum cleaner salesman. 247 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: Little holiday cheer you got over here? Okay, okay, it 248 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: sounds like you guys got some food, would do a 249 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: little sort. 250 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: But so I bring this up because this is actually 251 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: where the beverage wastle comes from, because part of the 252 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: tradition that say bring this warm beverage to people to 253 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: help keep them warm. I found what it was. It 254 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: didn't sound very appetizing. 255 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: It's with it. 256 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: And figs, and I it's a medieval spice drink, but 257 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't until so it's a liquid fruitcake kind of yeah, 258 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: but it wasn't until this gentleman by the name of 259 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: Saint Francis of ass which he would kind of, you know, 260 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: merge them together. But that's not what we're really talking 261 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: about today. We're going to talk about this tradition and 262 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: special thanks here too, Ammy Glover over at BuzzFeed in 263 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: the article that we a lot of us were referencing 264 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: from today or about how caroling used to be kind 265 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: of more of a shakedown job than anything where basically 266 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: kids would go where you know, young men would go 267 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: knock on doors of well more well to do people 268 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: and sing and then be like, now you owe us stuff, 269 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: you know us food or potatoes. 270 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: It's the old version of running up to someone at 271 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: a stoplight and non consensually cleaning their windshield. 272 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: It's also certainly got a lot in common with more 273 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: anarchistic if that's a word version of trick or treating. 274 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: You have delivered the delightful presence of your you know, 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: Halloween costume, and for that you are owed. Because the 276 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: whole idea is if you don't have a costume, you 277 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: don't get any candy. But if you have a costume 278 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: and you go for the candy, you don't get the candy, 279 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: you might be doing a trick. 280 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, give treats or get tricks. It's the original version 281 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: of f a. 282 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: F oh yeah, and to like, you know, give reference 283 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: to it. So one of the lines that they had 284 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: they would saying would be We've come here to claim 285 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: our right and if you don't open up your door 286 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: will lie flat on the floor, okay, which is a 287 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: weird which is a weird threat. I'm gonna lie on 288 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: your ground. 289 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 290 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it's it's got some more sinister 291 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 3: implications though, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there pelting with 292 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: rocks involved? 293 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree with Noel. How far does this go? 294 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Like the obviously the Halloween modern celebration of trick or 295 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: treat is a sanitized descendant of these sorts of practices. 296 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: So would the carollers actually threw stones? Would they actually 297 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: engage in racketeering? 298 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: There are reports of this, so is reference that there 299 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: was a case in sixteen seventy nine in Salem where 300 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: kids threw stones, bones and other things. 301 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: They stones, bones, and other things. That's the name of 302 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: our upcoming album, right, And. 303 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, like what type of bones, Like were 304 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: the these like animal bones or were these bones of 305 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: previous landlords who had not given them potatoes. I'm just 306 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: assuming that they were going for potatoes. And they would 307 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: do this for about an hour and a half with 308 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: and I quote little intermission, which is pretty impressive. That 309 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: means you have to have a lot of stones and 310 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: a decent bit of bones, and they would destroy stuff 311 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: like rip apart fences, break stone walls at least in 312 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: this case, and just a lot of things. And considering 313 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: this is Salem, I'm a doing. They were all tried 314 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: for witches afterwards and burnt. 315 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, And that's something we all agree is awesome. 316 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: Ten to ten no notes should have happened, he says, sarcastically. 317 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: This is this is nuts, folks. If you are fortunate 318 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: enough to be in an area of the world where 319 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: people are coming up to your domicile and they're singing 320 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: nice songs, so silent Night, Holy Night, whatever, or Christmas 321 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Tree or Noel, what are some of the songs you 322 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: and your mom played? 323 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: Oh the classics, you know, like, yeah, I mean like 324 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: a good King Winschlass, which has got a bit of 325 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: a dork dork dark origin itself. Good King winch just 326 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: less was apparently like I think he was like drawn 327 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: and quartered or like a remembered or something. But we're 328 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: gonna ship that one for well. But no, no, I didn't. 329 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: But you know all the GCD ones and by the 330 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: I mean the chorus, the easy ones to play three chords, Yeah, 331 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: for sure. You know it's funny, man. I don't know 332 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: if you guys saw this. I sent this around to 333 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: a few friends the other day. The comedian in Brent Weinbach. 334 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: I love Brent. 335 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: I like Brent. Brian Bucklett too, and he did a 336 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: bit where he says, if you want to make a 337 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: new Honkkah song, just take any Christmas song and play 338 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: it in a minor key. 339 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Brin's a genius. By the way, He's super 340 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: good at piano. He's an accomplished musician, sketchwriter, stand up comedian. 341 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: One of my favorite bits from our buddy Brent is 342 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: when he talks about his time being a substitute teacher 343 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: and how he thought he had it bad and he 344 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: realized that children had it bad as well. But they 345 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: made fun of him for the strangest things. They ran 346 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: up to him and they would find something about his 347 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: appearance that they would ridicule, no matter what it was. 348 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: So they would run up to Port Brent and I 349 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: do believe it, it's a true story, and they would say, 350 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: oh hell no, oh hell da, mister Weinbach, look at 351 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: his tight pants. They would wear baggy pants and they 352 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: would run up to him and they'd say, oh, hell nah, 353 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: hell da, look at his baggy pants. Look at mister 354 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: W's baggy pants. So you can't win. It's a Kobeashi maru. 355 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things we're establishing here is that 356 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: your celebration of Christmas or the end of the year, 357 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: your mileage is going to vary based on where you're 358 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: located and what your family likes to do. It might 359 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: surprise a lot of us, as we're talking about off air, 360 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: to learn that spider themed things can play a role 361 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: in the most famous birthday celebration ever. For sure. 362 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a good I don't know we did 363 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: the Halloween crossover, I guess with a little bit more 364 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: chaotic caroling, a little more quid pro quo caroling. You know, 365 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: comparing it to trick or treating, and this kind of 366 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: this feels similar in that there's you know, spiders involved. 367 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: So this idea of a spider, a Christmas spider or 368 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: a mule tiede spider being used as a decoration on 369 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: Christmas trees, which is I think a little bit more 370 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: popular in Ukraine and in parts of Germany and Eastern Europe. 371 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: But there are several fables surrounding the idea of a 372 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: Christmas spider, and there's some that conjecture that it is 373 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 3: directly these these tales are directly what led to the 374 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 3: popularity of Tinsel. So in one version of the story, 375 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: most often attributed to Ukraine and Germany, a widowed mother 376 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: has a Christmas tree, but it does not have enough 377 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: money to properly decorate it. So, in true Cinderella style, 378 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: the woodland creatures come to her aid, specifically maybe a 379 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: little bit more of a Charlotte's Web style friendly spiders 380 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: who come and spend their elaborate ways all over this 381 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: evergreen tree. But there's a deis ex machina element to 382 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: it as well, because when the mother and her family 383 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: wake up, rather than seeing you know, spiders, webs surrounding 384 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: their Chris, their bear barren Christmas tree. They see when 385 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 3: the sunlight hits the tree that it magically the sunlight, 386 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: by some accounts, turns them into silver and gold threads, which, 387 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 3: again you can put two and two together, is kind 388 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: of what you see in tinsil, at least the shiny, 389 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: various colors. They can be all kinds of colors. But 390 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: that also was from that moment on when the family's 391 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: fortune started to turn around. And I'm sure that we've 392 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 3: all heard and I know a lot of people are 393 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: really scared of spiders, but they do often represent good luck, 394 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: so you're not supposed to kill spiders because it's bad luck. 395 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: But there are other. 396 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: Versions of the story that attribute the Christmas miracle to 397 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: Santa or even Jesus Christ himself, who reached down from 398 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: monarly from always yeah, transformed those spiders webs into the 399 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: gold and silver tensil like material. I guess they would 400 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: have been actual precious metal threads that the Good Mother 401 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: saw before her. There are some other versions involving a 402 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: tree that grows from a pine cone out of doors, 403 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: and this is kind of just a slightly different take 404 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: on the one I already told, but this one just 405 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: involves a tree growing outside, which I guess gives a 406 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: little more access to the spiders who then cover the 407 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: tree and cobwebs that are then trans What transmogrified, Ben, 408 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 3: is that when things that alchemy has used to turn, 409 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, non precious things into precious metals. 410 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: Transmography is transformation with a tie on, you know, transubstantiation. 411 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: The Catholic Church got in front of that one, and 412 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: so they kind of own that word. But I think 413 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: we see what you're saying here, Nol, which is the 414 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: idea that people are attempting to explain a thing. And 415 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: at some point over the Great Game of Telephone, the 416 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: spider webs a longer thing became commodified and celebrated as tensil. Right. 417 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right, Ben, And it is a bit 418 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: of a trope, as you see, because there are versions 419 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: of it that you will see in other parts of 420 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: the world Scandinavia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. And by 421 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: the way, speaking of Wassail, when I was just in Copenhagen, 422 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: very very cold, walking around on these Christmas markets, something 423 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: called glue wine is very very popular and it is 424 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: mulled wine. But that is basically what wassail is. It 425 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: is a spiced, fortified kind of wine that is served 426 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: hot and it's glue wine literally translates to glow wine 427 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: because it warms you up both physically and spiritually. 428 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you ever drinking wine and you think this 429 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: stuff is too cold? Room temperature? Also, it doesn't taste 430 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: of potpourri. 431 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: What if it was more like soup? 432 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: Jump in here, you guys. The bar worked out for 433 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: a number of years. 434 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: We did a republic. 435 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a mould wine every holiday season and 436 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: at first people look weird, and then it was the 437 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: most popular beverage we had ever. 438 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: People love it. 439 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: People love a people love a tradition, you know what 440 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean. 441 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: And really quickly, just one more version of the story 442 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 3: that is a little different. This is you know, this 443 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: is again that great historical game of telephone that you 444 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: see often with reporting of actual history, but especially with 445 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: myths and folklore. In this one, you've got one spider 446 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: who's a mother spider again with the Charlotte Webbs vibes, 447 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: and then a peasant woman and they essentially give gifts 448 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 3: to one another. With the peasant woman allowing the spider 449 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: and her family to live in the branches of their 450 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: Christmas tree, and then the mother spider rewarding or paying 451 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: it forward in turn by banding together with presumably her 452 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 3: little ones and decorating the tree with gorgeous shimmering webs. 453 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: So there's no transmogrification in this version of the story. 454 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pleasant peasant meeting a super wonderful spider 455 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: and they're exchanging charity, which is ultimately the parable of 456 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: the holidays. But they don't get into a sauda, do they. 457 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: No, no, they don't, but we do have what is it, 458 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: eggnog sauna? 459 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Is that a thing? 460 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: Did I see that come through the chat? 461 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: It's We've talked about egnog at length. 462 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: That's two very different things. 463 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what I mean. Fortune favors the bold, right, 464 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: That's how you impress people in Finland. Apparently you rock 465 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: up to the soda and you say, hey, guys, I 466 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: was going to heat up this agnog for you, but 467 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: I figured we just sit here and then run outside 468 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: and beat the Christ out of each other with fur branches. 469 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: We did learn, courtesy of our group chat, that there 470 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: is a sorta based tradition in Christmas. So let's go 471 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: to none other than super producer mister Max Williams. Max, 472 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: what's going on with the sauna thing? 473 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: I think I may have transmographied some topics together in 474 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: my mind in the form of eggnog sauna, because there 475 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: is a tradition in Finland and sauna culture where they 476 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 3: have sauna sausages and they cook them like whilst in 477 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: the saunas. 478 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: And there actually is in Korean sauna's sauna eggs, but 479 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: supposedly they don't cook them in the sauna. 480 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: And film we don't cook him in the sauna. 481 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: And Finland they do very much enjoy cooking things. But 482 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: just in general, so snic culture is We've talked about this. 483 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: We talked about this in our Sausage War episode from 484 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: an other years back. It's this kind of part of 485 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: Finland culture in general, but especially around Christmas Eve, the 486 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: colder months of the year, you are supposed to really 487 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: enjoy a lot of time in the saunas. And I 488 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: kind of want to talk about Man, you dropped the 489 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: finish word earlier, so I'm gonna try to drop one 490 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: as well, which is okay, it is kuash makra. 491 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: You nailed it, Max, Why don't you see you just 492 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: invoke an eldridge horror from the depths. Yeah, it's like 493 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: saying Cardi B's real name. It sounds like a spell, Max, 494 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: Can you spell that for us? Speaking of spells? 495 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is k I u A s m A 496 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 2: kka r a ah. 497 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: Yes, of course. 498 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: I should have known. 499 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: That is Actually what it means is stove sausage. But 500 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: it is sausages that people traditionally cook in the sauna, 501 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: so it takes a little bit longer. But what you 502 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: generally do is you put it in with some onions, 503 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: pour some beer in there, and just uh, let it cook. 504 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: So presumably you're talking about the coals that you would 505 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: pour water over to generate the steam. You're cooking them 506 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: on that same little little little do dad. 507 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, this is way more hygienic, doesn't way less 508 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: unusual that it sounds because uh. To Max's earlier point, Nol, 509 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: the idea of the sauda is uh is normalized in 510 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Finnish culture, such that if you move into an apartment 511 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: building that doesn't have a sauna, then people are going 512 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: to think you've moved into the you know, the jets, 513 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: the bandos. Uh, it's it's a it's a cool tradition. 514 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Also we after it's a hot tradition. Also we have 515 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: to remember that it's pretty cold up there this time 516 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: of year. 517 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: Also, according to the Google AI in Finland, Boo in Finland, 518 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: which has five and a half million people, there is 519 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: estimated to be three million saunas. 520 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you got to get hot. 521 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: And in Europe in general, I mean you're going to 522 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 3: see a lot more of like a public pool culture too, 523 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 3: Like in the even urban areas, like you will see 524 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: these very elaborate public bathhouses. And that's true in other 525 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: parts of the world as well, obviously, but it's very 526 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: much a part of just day to day culture, whether 527 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 3: kids are it's sort of like a YMC eight thing, 528 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: but there's just so many more of them, and they're 529 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: so clean, and there are very much saunas and steam 530 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: rooms incorporated into these. 531 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: It immaculately maintained to your point there, No, we also 532 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: know that people pretty much are looking for excuses to 533 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: ritualize community, hanging out with friends and family, celebrating the 534 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: beginning of one year the ending of the other. This 535 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: brings us to a lot of I don't know if 536 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: we're going to get to all of this, guys, but 537 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: we've got to say it. You know, I used to 538 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: live in Central America and one thing they do over 539 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: there in Guatemala and specific is a thing called La 540 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: Cama del Diablo. 541 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: It's something of the devil. 542 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you nailed it, You nailed it. It's on 543 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: December seventh. The whole town gets together and they essentially 544 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: take out all the trash and all the stuff they 545 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: want to get rid of, and they make it into 546 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: an effigy of the actual devil, right like what they 547 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: see as Satan, and then they burn it to represent 548 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: the triumph of good over evil. This dates way back 549 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: to the sixteenth century, so the fifteen hundreds when the 550 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Conquistadors came over, they established their capital and Antigua, and 551 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: they immediately began building, you know, convents, monasteries, churches, and 552 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: telling the native people, Hey, this is why we're doing 553 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: all this mean stuff to you. We're giving everybody a 554 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: break on December seventh, because tomorrow, December eighth, is the 555 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: feast of the Immaculate Conception. Shout out to Mary. And 556 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: as a result, it became a tradition to celebrate that 557 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: big feast day on December eighth by lighting firecrackers and 558 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: bonfires and lanterns and then picking up all the stuff 559 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: you had at home and building a little devil figure 560 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: and then burning it. We're all about burning the effigies 561 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: in today's episode. I love it, Ben, I'm here for it. Hey. 562 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: It's weird that it's a commonality between so many any 563 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: different cultures, is it not. I mean the sorta guys, 564 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, shout out to our Finnish ridiculous historians. If 565 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: you could get away with burning it historically, you would 566 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: have done the same thing, you know what I mean. 567 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 3: That's just I feel that that's entirely likely. 568 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, or you could uh maybe poop, you could, you 569 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: could you could maybe bring poop into the conversation. 570 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: Well that's what you've just done that And I I'm 571 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 3: glad because if I didn't have anything to follow that 572 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 3: up with, I would feel quite foolish. But in fact, 573 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 3: that was a glorious setup for a bit of a 574 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: follow up on a character out of the Catalonia region 575 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: of Spain that we've definitely talked about in the past, 576 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 3: the the pooper, the little pooping fellow. What's his name, ben, 577 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: I kind thet do that's the guy cogt dio. The 578 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 3: pooper or the ster in fact, is another term that's 579 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: used a lot. I'm a little foggy on the separation 580 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: of these two versions, because there's definitely a the version 581 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 3: of Cagatillo, who is a little fellow who sits with 582 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: his little butt in his pants down, his little butt 583 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: hanging over at the edge of something like in the 584 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: Nativity scene, and he's dropping a poo. And it came 585 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: from the Catalonian tradition of trying to fertilize the Nativity 586 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: to make it, you know, more conducive to growth and nurturing. 587 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 3: And I don't know it's it's it's a wild one. 588 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: But we have were seen the soil, right. 589 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 3: I think there were plenty of farm animals around to 590 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: do that, though, so I'm not sure why they needed 591 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: a little, a little puckish boy. 592 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: You can't burn the goats forever, You'll run out of goats. 593 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: That's true. I don't know that we need to that 594 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 3: there is any version of the atrition that burns Cagatillo. 595 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 3: But we had talked about this guy in this notion 596 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: that he was often hidden word for children to find, 597 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: almost like an elf on the shelf. And in fact, 598 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: there's a lot of elf on the shelf commonality with 599 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 3: Cogatillo because there is a there's no surveillance state. 600 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: Aspect, a lot of commonality. 601 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'll take that one next. I'll take that one. 602 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: The facts. 603 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: That seeking in the fun and peaceful in knowledge. 604 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: It's just for you right now. 605 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: The fact. 606 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: So we're back. Uh No, I'm really interested in this 607 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: elf on the shelf comparison because I think you're I 608 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: think you're onto something and we have talked about we 609 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: have talked about you, which again is just uh the 610 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: word just means uncle. But I think we're we're talking 611 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: about a log as a anthropomorphized thing, right. 612 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 3: I do want to walk back really quickly lest any 613 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 3: Spanish speaking folks on the audience are screaming at their 614 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 3: podcast device. There is El kaganair, which is why I 615 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: was describing that is a little dude that can be 616 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, created in uh ornament form. He's wearing a 617 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 3: little hat and with some linen shirt and he's got 618 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: his pants down Popula squad taking a poop, you know, whatever. 619 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: You can sit him on a ledge in the Nativity scene. 620 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 3: This is one version of the pooping tradition there in Catalonia, which, 621 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 3: of course the most well known part of that region 622 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 3: would be Barcelona, which is the capital of the Autonomous 623 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 3: Region of Catalonia, which is also known for its excellent 624 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: seafood and cuisine. The one we're talking about now that 625 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 3: I wanted to follow up with is Cagatillo, which is 626 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 3: this Christmas log that is an anthropomorphized cartoon ish Christmas 627 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: log that itself also poops. 628 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the i it is, but he also poops. 629 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: You also have to abuse this poor guy TiO deta 630 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: doll to get your wishes or whatever. There's there's a 631 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: whole song about it which we talked about. Cagatillo avees 632 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: little gandas it's uh, it translates to max is gonna 633 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: be a lot of beeps, but the salt translates. One 634 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: of the most popular variants to shit teo, hazel nuts 635 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: and nugats. Do not herrings, for they are too salty. 636 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: Nuggats for they taste better. Sh Teo almonds and nugats. 637 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: And if you don't want to ship, I will hit 638 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: you with a stick sh to you. 639 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 3: It's exactly right, Ben. That's one of the more popular 640 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 3: and delightful versions of the song that the kids sing 641 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 3: while walloping it with sticks. But they also are meant 642 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 3: to take care of it, almost like a tamagachi or 643 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 3: like one of those like bags of flour that you 644 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 3: were supposed to carry around in you know, middle school 645 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 3: as a you know, proof that you could, you know, 646 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: care for a baby. 647 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: Well, think I'm not letting that go. You had to 648 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: carry around a bag of. 649 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: Five I did it, but it was a thing that 650 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: I've known to have happened in in in school. And 651 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 3: there's actually it's I think there's an episode of some 652 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: popular you know what it was. I think it was 653 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: a Strangers with Candy. There's a there's a version of 654 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 3: that sort of high like middle school trope of taking 655 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 3: care of like a bag of flower, and then of 656 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: course someone loses the bag of flower or drops the 657 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: bag of flower. YadA, YadA, YadA. But the point is 658 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 3: if you do take good care of this holiday log, 659 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 3: you are rewarded, and you mentioned things like nugats, Ben. Yeah, 660 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 3: it goes on to say do not poop herring because 661 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 3: they're too salty, only nugets because they taste better almonds 662 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 3: and nugats. And if you don't want to poop, I 663 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 3: will hit you with a stick poop too. So if 664 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 3: you do a good job and you keep him warm, 665 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: it's weird because you're spposed to keep him warm with 666 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 3: a blanket, but you're all supposed to smack him around 667 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 3: so that he keeps you warm. Full of contradictions. 668 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: This it's we're kind of raising children to take care 669 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: of a thing and then betray it, which is wild. 670 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: But if you want to if you want to hear 671 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: the lyrics in full or check out the song, all 672 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: you have to do is for Cogateillo on YouTube or 673 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: your listening platform of choice. We've got gosh, we've got 674 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: so much more that we might have to save for 675 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: next year. You guys, I know we didn't get to 676 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: let's see some of our favorites. We didn't get to 677 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes. That might be twenty twenty 678 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: six delos Rabatos, bro. 679 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 3: What if we combined that with the Night of the 680 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 3: Cannibalistic Scarecrow, Right, that's like some goosebump stuff right there. 681 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: There was like almost Dracula esque tale from Germany of 682 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: this black Night, and Germany did horrible things names Hans Trump, 683 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 3: who was then turned into a a scarecrow who would 684 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 3: haunt the knights, devouring hapless children and used as sort 685 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 3: of a teachable monster, right like Belsnickel or the Crampus. 686 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: And for everybody here who knows a little bit of Spanish, 687 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes that the translation in English 688 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: is it's a day in Mexico that is overwhelmingly dedicated 689 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: to carving radishes into cool into cool holiday themed scenes. 690 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 3: That pretty done because the earliest jack O lanterns, I 691 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 3: believe we're radishes or turnips, and on our other show stuff, 692 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. We're always talking about 693 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 3: digging up the rude begas and we do that year round. 694 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 3: So this is what a good one to end on. 695 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: Ben. 696 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: Honestly, I think this has been a fun listical episode, 697 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 3: a Christmas listical, a chrystical listical. 698 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: It's a Christmas gift from us to you. Even though 699 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: not all of us celebrate Christmas, we know Christmas is 700 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: whether or not you celebrate the famous birthday. It's a 701 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: good time to get together with your friends, your left ones, 702 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: it's the end of the year, old Lady sign and 703 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: all of that. We can't thank you enough for joining 704 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: us here today, folks, and we cannot wait for you 705 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: to join us for our future episode, Future Future twenty 706 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: twenty six. If we're still able to do this, we're 707 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna get to the Night of. 708 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 3: The Radishes, Night of the Radishes, and maybe the Night 709 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 3: of the Scarecrow, because that actually that Hans Won Traps 710 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 3: or Hans Trap story goes pretty deep into some pretty 711 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 3: dark territories. So maybe a fun slash dark one to 712 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 3: do as well, even in the new year. What do 713 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 3: we care we're not seasonally bouncing to any topic. 714 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: Well, we're just not punctual. 715 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 3: Good. 716 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen ninety seven. By the way, that's how far 717 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes dates back. Because for anybody 718 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: who is listening now, you know the Radishes were not 719 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: from North and South America. They are part of the 720 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: Great Transfer, and we transfer now the torch to you. 721 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: Big big thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams, 722 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: big big thing thanks to our composer Alex Williams. A 723 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: big thanks to Oh I don't want to do it yet, No, 724 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: let's say Christopher Hasioti Sieves, Jeff Goat Here in spirit, 725 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: Here in Christmas Spirit, Here in Christmas Spirit. Who else? Oh, 726 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: big Spinach, Mohammas Copenhagen, that's you. 727 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 3: Me, Jonathan Strickland, the Quizzers. Yeah, well, you know, it's Christmas. 728 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: We'll let a good all right, we'll let it good. 729 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 3: We are gonna take some time off with our families 730 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 3: and loved ones and friends for the holidays, So you're 731 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 3: gonna hear a few more classics, but we will see 732 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 3: you refreshed and rejuvenated in the new year. We'll see 733 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 3: you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit 734 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 735 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 3: your favorite shows.