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Speaker 1: Coming up next on This is Gavin Newsom. I'll be

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Speaker 1: talking to legendary Republican polster and communication strategist Frank Luntz.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking about the state of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: Trump's first hundred days, and perhaps most importantly, the state

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Speaker 1: of our union.

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Speaker 2: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Frank Lunz. You

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Speaker 2: look casual, you know, Frank, I wanted to dress up

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 3: By the way, throughout all of this, you've been the

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Speaker 3: most interesting person to me. I haven't always agreed, You've

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Speaker 3: always been really kind to me. And even though we've disagreed,

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Speaker 3: I've enjoyed that. It's not even been a back and forth.

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Speaker 3: You're just a good guy.

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Speaker 2: I love that, man. I appreciate that. Now.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Let's start right there, because you know,

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Speaker 1: we're at a point where we're not none of us

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Speaker 1: are talking like that. I mean, you've been studying this

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Speaker 1: stuff for decades and decades. I've been listening to you lately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think it's as bad as it's been

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Speaker 1: in our lifetime, meaning we're at each other's throat. This

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Speaker 1: country has never been more divided. Is that an overstatement

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Speaker 1: or is that about it?

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Speaker 3: That's exactly it. And to me, and this is what's

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Speaker 3: frightening about it, is that we want to fight, we

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Speaker 3: want to argue, we want to disagree. We're looking at

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Speaker 3: a reason to be able to say I'm insulted or

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Speaker 3: worse yet, I'm offended. And that's the kind of culture

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Speaker 3: that we're in right now, and no one's trying to

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Speaker 3: get us out of it. And they give Corey Booker

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Speaker 3: credit because for most of his twenty five hours it

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Speaker 3: was uplifting, it was talking about real people, real concerns,

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Speaker 3: and he did in a way that isn't political. And

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Speaker 3: I think the guy who cut him off, the guy

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Speaker 3: who jumped to that to make sure that he would

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Speaker 3: always be remembered, Juck Schumer, is so far past his

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Speaker 3: cell by date because he doesn't really understand that now

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Speaker 3: we're playing with fire.

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Speaker 1: So, Frank, I want to talk about Corey because I

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Speaker 1: was struck by how complimentary you were of his twenty

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Speaker 1: five hour speech. But I want to go back a

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Speaker 1: little bit about you know, you've been studying this, you've

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Speaker 1: been focused on this, You've been I mean, you've been

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Speaker 1: a leader in this space and understanding communication, understanding emotion,

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Speaker 1: understanding nature of relationships, not just the relationship to one

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Speaker 1: another politically through the lens of ideology. But has this

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Speaker 1: been I mean, has this been decades in the making.

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Speaker 1: Is there a moment that you would mark that sort

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Speaker 1: of led to this moment? And you know, what's your

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Speaker 1: sort of over under in that respect.

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Speaker 3: The moment that it started was the day that New

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Speaker 3: Kingridge got elected Speaker in nineteen ninety four, because that

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Speaker 3: was Republicans winning something that they know had not won

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Speaker 3: for forty years, and the Democrats didn't like it and

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Speaker 3: never got used to it. And Gingbridge was provocative. He

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Speaker 3: pushed you, He prodded you in an intellectual basis. Times

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Speaker 3: he used language that hurt himself. If you remember that

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Speaker 3: Christmas of nineteen ninety four, they had on the front

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Speaker 3: page of Music magazine the king Bridge that stole Christmas. Well,

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Speaker 3: you're going to get negativity if that's how the media

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Speaker 3: treats you. Now go forward to Bill Clinton's impeachment and

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Speaker 3: the feeling that what he did, while horrific and inappropriate,

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Speaker 3: did that really rise to the level of impeachment. Now

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Speaker 3: go forward to two thousand and now going George Bush

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Speaker 3: actually tying and how one side some people on that

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Speaker 3: one side never never awarded Bush the presidency and always

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Speaker 3: said that the election was stolen. And then go forward

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Speaker 3: to twenty ten and the rise of the Tea Party

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Speaker 3: and twenty sixteen to the rise of Trump. We've been

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Speaker 3: going through this now since nineteen ninety four, five or

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Speaker 3: six different moments, and here's the issue to me. In

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Speaker 3: almost all those moments, there were calm heads. There was

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Speaker 3: somebody who would say enough, in the next cremation point,

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Speaker 3: just stop doing this, just shut the hell up. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you may be right, but the country is more important.

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Speaker 3: And now there's no one's doing that. There's no one

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Speaker 3: saying it. There's no one. Look, I'll say this to you,

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Speaker 3: when you conscious stuff the resistance I had exploded. You're

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Speaker 3: the opposition, but you're not the resistance. You're you're the

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Speaker 3: challenge should check as a governor. But that's very different

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Speaker 3: And I just feel like we've reached the point on

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Speaker 3: every side. I want to emphasize this. On every side,

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Speaker 3: they were insane and now are countries at stay. I

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Speaker 3: really do believe that a democracy is at static right now.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that. And also, you know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: just this notion of resistance. When we did a special session.

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Speaker 1: What was remarkable to me is what I did not say,

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Speaker 1: to the purpose of that special session. After Trump won,

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Speaker 1: we talked about an open hand, not a close fist.

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Speaker 1: That never got any attention. Folks focused on that in

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Speaker 1: the context of sort of a zero sum, which I

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Speaker 1: think is so much of the politics. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back a little bit just because nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: four and it sort of marks a little bit of

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Speaker 1: your history. And you know, just for folks that don't

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Speaker 1: know you, as well as folks like myself that have

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Speaker 1: been following you for decades and decades, you've been traditionally

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Speaker 1: aligned with Republican causes, and you were aligned with gin

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Speaker 1: Ridge as it relates to that nineteen ninety four effort,

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Speaker 1: as it relates to that effort to take back the House,

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Speaker 1: as you say, for the first time in forty years,

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Speaker 1: and that contract with America, that infamous contract with America

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Speaker 1: you worked with Gingridge, did you not sort of helping

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Speaker 1: develop the language around that. Do you separate that from

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Speaker 1: what came after his successful ascendancy.

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Speaker 3: It's the best, truthfully, it's the best thing I've ever done.

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Speaker 3: I should have quit while I was ahead, because it's

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Speaker 3: the first time that elected officials actually put an agenda

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Speaker 3: on the line. What was important to that contract was

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Speaker 3: what they were going to do in the first hour

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Speaker 3: to tell voters they want to know. Second is that

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Speaker 3: it itemized it ten different issues, from balanced budgets to

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Speaker 3: term limits, to fighting crime, to welfare reform, to tax

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Speaker 3: then there was an enforcement clause. If we break our promise,

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Speaker 3: throw us out. We mean it with a one eight

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Speaker 3: the Democrats demonized it. They called it the Contract on America.

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Speaker 3: They were wrong, and the voters said they were wrong,

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Speaker 3: and in the endless feet let's keep the record straight here,

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Speaker 3: only forty percent of Americans ever heard of the contract

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Speaker 3: on election day, a minority of voters, but those who

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Speaker 3: what they call you, Gaviner, governor, but governor. The issue

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Speaker 3: now is that no one runs for something. No one

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Speaker 3: tells you what you're for. They tell you why the

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Speaker 3: conversation to have, and I'm glad that you're hosting it.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, you've taken more shit than anyway

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Speaker 3: we're bringing out. I would not have brought on Steve Bannon.

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Speaker 3: Steve Bannon scares me. I knew him before he was

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Speaker 3: Steve Bannon and before I was Frank Luntz. And the

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Speaker 3: willing to have these open conversations to engage with people

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Speaker 3: who you don't agree with, why is it? Why aren't

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Speaker 3: more people doing this? Why don't we have more civil

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Speaker 3: conversations designed to expose the truth, the relentless pursuit of

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Speaker 3: the truth. What is so wrong about this? You sir,

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Speaker 3: You've been criticized for doing this, and I'm telling people,

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Speaker 3: Why are we I'm sixty three now and you can

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Speaker 3: hear it in my voice and how these have been

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Speaker 3: some very tough months for me. I'm learning more in

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Speaker 3: these months than I've learned in the last sixty years

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Speaker 3: we don't pick up another book that there's no reason

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Speaker 3: to read it, to explore, to question, and to challenge.

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Speaker 3: This is why I teach at West Point. This is

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Speaker 3: why I'm wearing this shirt, because I'm meeting with the

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Speaker 3: best students and Governor. You got to come. The reason

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Speaker 3: then you have to go. There are more cadets from

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Speaker 3: California than any other state.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 3: I want you to see the best and the brightest,

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Speaker 3: most civil. They say yes, sir, no, ma'am, thank you.

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Speaker 3: They're appreciative of their country, and they're willing to give

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Speaker 3: can have a civil conversation. Please come to West Point

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Speaker 3: and meet the best Californians you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that in full disclosure, you invited me

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Speaker 1: and Wes Moore, Governor Moore from Maryland at the National

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Speaker 1: And we left that meeting, Frank, I mean, these guys

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Speaker 3: And they loved you because the two of you didn't

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Speaker 3: give you credit for this. You promised me twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: You stayed for an hour and ten, Governor, thank you

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Speaker 3: for that. They noticed it, they appreciated it, and I

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Speaker 2: Frankly, no, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think you know, they'd sort of distilled

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Speaker 1: out of this mucket. I want to go back, though,

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Speaker 1: just a little bit, frank on your journey, because I'm

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Speaker 1: really fascinated by this, and I appreciate your firm defense

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Speaker 1: it as you're running, and then having some accountability framework

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Speaker 1: and in the merits and the demerits of that, I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in. But moreover, I'm just interested in your own journey.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you were out there working not only for

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Speaker 1: referenced in helping messaging and languaging for George Bush, and

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Speaker 1: you worked the pro campaign a little bit Giuliani and others.

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Speaker 1: Was there a point in your own journey, were you real, man,

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Speaker 1: this is not going well for this country that even

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Speaker 3: Yes? It was what the Republicans needed to say about Pelosi,

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, he's on that list. And there's a

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Speaker 3: Stop wasting your time. He puts his arm around me,

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Speaker 2: Even some have made it as relates to Obama versus Reagan.

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Speaker 3: For me, it would be Bill Bennett, who's still with us,

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Speaker 3: and the two of them, the three of them ging Rich,

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Speaker 3: Camp and Bennett communicated what was great and good about America.

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Speaker 3: But we just don't hear it anymore. Obviously, one of

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Speaker 3: them has passed away, one of them is essentially out

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Speaker 3: of politics, and the other one has gone full in

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Speaker 3: on Trump and lost some of what made him so

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Speaker 3: unprecedented in terms of an intellectual mind better than anyone

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Speaker 3: ever met.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ginger, you're talking about, yeah.

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Speaker 3: The smartest elected official we've ever had. And he never

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Speaker 3: got a chance to demonstrate it because the people around

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Speaker 3: him and his own insistence on drawing your contrast between

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Speaker 3: what he saw as good and evil undermine and eventually

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Speaker 3: killed him as speaker. And if you ask me what

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Speaker 3: my greatest regret is personally, it's not standing in front

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Speaker 3: of him in a camera, getting in front of him

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Speaker 3: and saying, serve, don't say that. It may be true,

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Speaker 3: it may be intellectual, but the American people are not

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Speaker 3: prepared to hear it, and they will turn against you

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Speaker 3: if you say it. Newt was courageous in your face,

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Speaker 3: and he could have done so much more for the

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Speaker 3: country if someone had just said, don't do this because

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Speaker 3: it will hurt your reputation.

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Speaker 1: So you both and obviously sort he marks that moment

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Speaker 1: as you reflect on where our politics today, and you

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Speaker 1: can connect that. I'm curious, how do you how much

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Speaker 1: do you connect Bill Clinton's success to UH to New

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Speaker 1: Gingrich and that contract with America.

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Speaker 3: Well, the best legislation that's passed in the last thirty years,

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Speaker 3: this is the public saying it is welfare reform to

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Speaker 3: force people on welfare to get jobs, to say to them,

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Speaker 3: we will help you and we will not punish you.

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Speaker 3: But the single best welfare program is a job that

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Speaker 3: we hope will become a career and that maybe, if

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Speaker 3: you're lucky, will become a calling, and that you should

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Speaker 3: not if you're able to work, you should not be

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Speaker 3: able to collect money because that's not fair to other taxpayers.

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Speaker 3: And Gingrich pushed and pushed and pushed Clinton accept back

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Speaker 3: to Way, and back to Way accepted, it voted into law,

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Speaker 3: and if you ask the American people, that was the

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Speaker 3: single best legislation of their lifetime because it did so

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Speaker 3: much good for so many people.

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Speaker 2: RK. I'm curious, and you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Just we can go down the welfare conversation, which is

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Speaker 1: fascinating to me. And I don't mean just to move

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Speaker 1: off it, because I want to sort of reconnect and

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Speaker 1: re engage and a deeper understanding of what you said

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Speaker 1: a moment ago about the need to have someone that

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Speaker 1: can speak in those aspirational tones, that has a strategy

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Speaker 1: that is not only engaging, but is willing to engage

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Speaker 1: people across the aisle. You've referenced on multiple occasions, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to Booker, but your referenced

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Speaker 1: Corey as well. But I'm curious, are we in an

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Speaker 1: environment where we reward any good behavior whatsoever? Or is

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Speaker 1: this an environment where there's even the city to do

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Speaker 1: what you suggest must be done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're asking the correct question. I'm going to give

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Speaker 3: you an answer that is correct, but it's not what

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Speaker 3: I want to give, which is knowing not not in

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Speaker 3: that environment. We punish people. The kinder you are, and

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Speaker 3: the more we hate you, the more we think you're

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Speaker 3: hiding something, the bigger your heart. We ask the question,

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Speaker 3: what's the most important attribute in a governor? Kindness and

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Speaker 3: combastion comes in second to last. Intelligence is at the bottom. Also, Wow,

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Speaker 3: we're rewarding bad behavior. We're rewarding people and we want accountability,

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Speaker 3: which is good behavior. We want someone who says what

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Speaker 3: they mean, means what they say, and does what they say.

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Speaker 3: That's all good. But that heart and that soul and

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Speaker 3: that thing that's inside that allows us to feel people's pain,

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Speaker 3: not only do we not reward it, we even punish

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Speaker 3: even suggest that. That makes us soft. I want to

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Speaker 3: point out because I would have forgotten and it would

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Speaker 3: have been mad. Your debate with Ron de Santas, I'm

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Speaker 3: on his side. Ninety percent of the time, and you

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Speaker 3: out debated him, you outcommunicated him because you added a

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Speaker 3: human develop a human component to it. Wait, go back,

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Speaker 3: your viewer should go back and watch that debate. Was

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Speaker 3: it just one on Fox?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just one with Sean Hannity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Hannay was against you. You had a mine

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Speaker 3: writer against you, you had your opponent against you, and

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Speaker 3: you had an audience against you. Sir, you did incredibly

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Speaker 3: well because you added the human dynamic to it, which

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Speaker 3: is not going to get you nominated for president. It's

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Speaker 3: not going to raise your approval rating for California. These

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Speaker 3: are things that the public does not care about. The

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Speaker 3: Democrats want you to beat up on Trump, right. They

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Speaker 3: don't want you. They're not asking you for a better vision.

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Speaker 3: They want you to take him on and punch him.

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Speaker 3: I guess what that'll solve. Nothing that'll get us nowhere.

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Speaker 3: And so there's stuff that I do. Now. The Republican

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Speaker 3: side thinks I'm way too soft. Tucker Carlson calls me

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Speaker 3: a traitor. And on the Democratic side, they don't trust

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Speaker 3: me because they know where my background is, they know

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Speaker 3: where my principles and my values lie. Right, and yet

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Speaker 3: I'm right in the middle and I don't have a country.

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Speaker 3: I don't have people that I can get behind. Where's

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Speaker 3: Joe Manchin now he's out of office, ib the former

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Speaker 3: governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, Joe Lieberman, the Great Joe Lieberman,

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Speaker 3: John McCain. These are a statesmen who are ridiculed and

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Speaker 3: laughed at and condemned, and they were the best of America.

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Speaker 3: And it's not a little bit of use, sir, and

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Speaker 3: a little bit of me. It's that middle ground, the

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Speaker 3: center of the screen, trying to get right there where

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Speaker 3: we overlap. We're not trying to get there now, we're

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Speaker 3: all on the edges and it's just showing the country.

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Speaker 2: Frank.

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Speaker 1: Is that because? I mean, society becomes how we behave

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Speaker 1: we are our behaviors and everything we've talked about has

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Speaker 1: happened quote unquote on our watch. And I say that broadly,

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Speaker 1: not as an elected official, but as you know, as

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Speaker 1: a father of four that lives in this state and

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Speaker 1: wants to see a better future for my kids.

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Speaker 2: Who's responsible? Are we responsible? Are elected officials responsible? Is

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Speaker 2: it something more insidious? Are the algorithms responsible? I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's your sense of the moment in and how do

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Speaker 2: we I mean, we have to sort of it seems

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Speaker 2: to me diagnose it more deeply to then begin to

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Speaker 2: sort of work our way out of it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not sure about diagnosing, because I think we

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Speaker 3: all know. It's John McCain. When a woman stood up

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Speaker 3: in a town hall and said that Barack Obama was

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Speaker 3: a Muslim, McCain quietly and calmly and civilly said, no, man,

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Speaker 3: that's not true.

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Speaker 2: It's a great moment, great moment.

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Speaker 3: In the debates between them. I remember in the two

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Speaker 3: thousand and eight Republican debate that John McCain was cracking

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Speaker 3: a joke about Hillary Clinton saying that she wanted to

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Speaker 3: spend a million dollars to celebrate Woodstock. McCain didn't support it.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even get to Woodstock. He was locked up

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Speaker 3: at that moment, and everybody laughed. This is the We've

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Speaker 3: lost that kind of campaign right now. We demonize each other.

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Speaker 3: It's social media. But it's more than social media. It's

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Speaker 3: the fact that moms will not take away the phone,

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Speaker 3: will not unplugged the computer. I say this to every

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Speaker 3: parent watching our grandparent. Your child is getting addicted as

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Speaker 3: we speak. Your child is losing the ability to make

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Speaker 3: independent decisions and thoughts and engage human beings in a

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Speaker 3: real way because they're stuck on the web. And you parents,

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Speaker 3: don't disconnect that computer, don't say you're not going to

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Speaker 3: be on your phone. And I know how hard it

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Speaker 3: is to be a mom. Right now, I know that

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Speaker 3: your daughter's going to say to you, I hate you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not coming to dinner. Better that she says she

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Speaker 3: hates you than actually grows to do so because of

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Speaker 3: social media.

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Speaker 1: So you think at the core, I mean that has

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Speaker 1: in more ways, on more days, that has more to

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Speaker 1: say about why we're in this predicament that we're in.

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Speaker 3: It's our behavior magnified ten times by social media. And

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Speaker 3: then and I'm going to hold you the woman who

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Speaker 3: I think wants to take your job, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: hold her accountable as well.

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Speaker 2: You're referring to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we all know how Trump communicates to people. And

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Speaker 3: I ask a very simple question, and I'm trying not

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Speaker 3: to get canceled by him. But the fact is, you

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Speaker 3: ask parents, you ask Trump voters do you want your

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Speaker 3: children to talk the way Donald Trump talks? And they

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Speaker 3: say no, they love him, they want his agenda. But

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Speaker 3: they don't want their kids to sound the way that

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Speaker 3: he does. And I know his response would be they

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Speaker 3: as the most wonderful vocabulary. We've all put together videos

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Speaker 3: of how he shoots sound reporters, how he calls them dumb,

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Speaker 3: how he says it's not just a matter of being wrong,

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Speaker 3: you're an idiot using that language. We don't want our

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Speaker 3: kids to talk that way. But we also want our

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Speaker 3: kids to tell the truth and to tell us what's

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Speaker 3: right about themselves. Now, what's wrong about the opposition? President

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Speaker 3: Harris never said what she was going to do in

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Speaker 3: the first hour or the first day. Her ads against

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Speaker 3: Trump were brilliant, and by the way she beat him

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Speaker 3: in the debate, Oh yeah, she played him in the debate.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: And everyone thinks so, except Trump has polls that show

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Speaker 3: that he won by thirty or forty or fifty points.

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Speaker 3: He never showed them, We never saw them. But Vice

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Speaker 3: President Harris had the opportunity to offer a different vision,

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Speaker 3: and she never did. She told us what was wrong

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Speaker 3: about Donald Trump and never told us what was right

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Speaker 3: about herself. So she bears some of the blame.

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Speaker 1: You're the master polster. Is that not what the polls

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Speaker 1: said she needed to do in order to go out

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Speaker 1: the vote, or did you reflect differently on your own

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Speaker 1: analysis that they were looking for a compelling alternative vision.

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Speaker 3: Did she never get they were looking for it? In

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Speaker 3: the polling the publics that they didn't trust her. If

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Speaker 3: you don't trust her, there's a reason why. It's not

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Speaker 3: that they thought that she was a liar. Is that

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Speaker 3: they didn't know where she was. They said this again

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Speaker 3: and again in the CNN focus groups, in this stuff

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Speaker 3: that was happening in the media, polls that were being done,

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Speaker 3: not my stuff. Where does she stand on prices? What's

627
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Speaker 3: she going to do? What is she going to do

628
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Speaker 3: in immigration? What was her most famous comment during the campaign.

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Speaker 3: It was her interview on the View and she said,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do anything differently. How can you say that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden was aol, He was not there, he was

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Speaker 3: not present, and there's nothing you would do differently. I

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Speaker 3: recognize your need to be loyal. I recognize your desire

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Speaker 3: not to fracture the Democratic Party. But the American people

635
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: were struggling back then as they're struggling right now, and

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Speaker 3: they needed to know what she would have done. And

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Speaker 3: Governor I'm going to give you what she could have done.

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Speaker 3: It was three weeks from the election. She chose not

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Speaker 3: to go in Joe Rogan, she never engaged with Stephen A. Smith.

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Speaker 3: These are people who listened to beyond traditional politics. They

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Speaker 3: invited her, didn't go. And in the end she was

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Speaker 3: on Anderson Cooper on CNN and he begins the town

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Speaker 3: hall with immigration, and he's hostile to her. It's tough

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Speaker 3: on her, and she should have said, and I quote Anderson,

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Speaker 3: I can answer your questions. I can answer the questions

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Speaker 3: of the American people sitting right in front of me

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Speaker 3: right now, and I'm going to choose them. So let

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Speaker 3: me do something I've not done before. Let me give

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Speaker 3: you five minutes on exactly what I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: in the first hour. What is the first piece of

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Speaker 3: legislation I'm going to sign. Then I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: the first day. And she would have this conversation and

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Speaker 3: then Anderson would cut her off after five minutes, and

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Speaker 3: she turned him and say, no, Anderson, I'm not done yet.

655
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Speaker 3: The American people have the right to know what I'm

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Speaker 3: going to do, and I have the responsibility to tell them.

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Speaker 3: And for the next thirty minutes, says he keeps trying

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Speaker 3: to jump in. She keeps saying to them, y'all like this,

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Speaker 3: y'all want this, And of course he endsered b yes,

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Speaker 3: And so she'd have this personal one on one engagement

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Speaker 3: with one hundred people in the audience Anderson trying to

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Speaker 3: get in, and that would have elected her president.

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Speaker 2: Do you really, I mean, do you think you're of

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Speaker 2: the opinion?

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate this, it's always so we're all, you

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Speaker 1: know looking back, you know, one hundred and seven day

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Speaker 1: sprint and obviously the highlights of the view everything else,

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Speaker 1: and there's been so many diagnosis of what went wrong? Was,

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Speaker 1: you know, to your point about distinguishing herself a little

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Speaker 1: bit from the president. Obviously the amount of time, the

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Speaker 1: fact there wasn't an open primary. More broadly beyond her,

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Speaker 1: the incumbent pen to you, which some had assessed, issues

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Speaker 1: around immigration, inflation, interest rates, and Israel certainly played a role,

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Speaker 1: I imagine in some respects. But you think fundamentally this

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Speaker 1: was an election where Vice President Harris could have won.

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Speaker 3: Hemp had ninety one in diamond counts against him, He'd

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Speaker 3: been in peach twice, he was now the oldest president

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Speaker 3: to run for office. Now that Biden was out, and

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Speaker 3: he had all these moments that one questions, by the way,

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Speaker 3: eating the dogs, eating the cats, how the heck do

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Speaker 3: you elect that? He said, behind it right? He still won.

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Speaker 3: And yes, he is a great communicator, he knows how

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Speaker 3: to talk to his supporters. But she blew it. And

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Speaker 3: she should wake up every day thinking to herself, how

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Speaker 3: did I lose to this guy?

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope she doesn't do that. I want her

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Speaker 1: to move on, and we all do in context. But

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Speaker 1: I think all of us need to reflect on what happened,

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Speaker 1: what didn't happen. You were pretty pointed, weren't you after

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Speaker 1: that debate, not only that Harris won, but that potentially

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Speaker 1: Trump lost the election that night on the basis of

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Speaker 1: some of those comments. Were you I mean, did you reflect?

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Speaker 1: I mean it was just your point. I mean why

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Speaker 1: there was no movement in the pulse. It seemed, regardless

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Speaker 1: of Trump claiming he crushed it and Harris, I think

696
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Speaker 1: objectively it did, but didn't seem to move anybody.

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Speaker 3: I never saw this before, never in American history, as

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Speaker 3: a debate and less impactful on the election.

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Speaker 1: And she crushed it. I mean, she really did. I

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Speaker 1: was very inspired, was one of the spin room people.

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Speaker 1: So I'm paid to say that as they say, but

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Speaker 1: I really believe it. And the further distance I have,

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Speaker 1: the more impressed I was with her performance.

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Speaker 3: Therefore, therefore, the more critical you should be of her campaign.

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Speaker 3: On that night she won the election. Why did Trump

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Speaker 3: win by such a big margin? It wasn't even that

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Speaker 3: for modern days, it wasn't that close. Why did he

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Speaker 3: win Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and others stay in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: He won them because people thought he said what he

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Speaker 3: meant and meant what he said, and while they didn't

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Speaker 3: like how he articulated it, which is exactly what's happening

712
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Speaker 3: right now. They wanted that agenda. Why did she lose

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Speaker 3: when she had the election, She had more money than God,

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Speaker 3: had an amazing debate performance that everyone saw. There was

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Speaker 3: never another debate. She gone into the lead there. Why

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Speaker 3: did she lose? She lost because of herself. In the end,

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Speaker 3: it's not just what's going on around you. You have

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Speaker 3: to tell people what you are for. You have to

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Speaker 3: tell them what you will do, and you have to

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Speaker 3: be able to show that you can get it done.

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Speaker 3: I remember what a big deal it was when she

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Speaker 3: was made the immigrations are I was around, I saw

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Speaker 3: all this, and then during the campaigns he tries to

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Speaker 3: run away from it. Oh, I wasn't important. I had

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Speaker 3: nothing to do. Own it. Be sincere with people. Let

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Speaker 3: them see you acknowledge as I'm doing right here, right now.

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Speaker 3: I got that election wrong. I knew Trump was going

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Speaker 3: to win two weeks before, but I knew he was

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Speaker 3: going to lose after that debate because no one had

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Speaker 3: ever recovered from such a bad debate performance. Governor. The

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Speaker 3: public deserves the truth. The public deserves candor. They have

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Speaker 3: the right to know when we got it wrong. And

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Speaker 3: if you can't admit you got it wrong, then you

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Speaker 3: probably don't deserve to have your position. And they need

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Speaker 3: to know what you're going to do so you don't

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Speaker 3: get it wrong in the future. I think we've lost

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Speaker 3: not just his sense of stability and decency, but I

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Speaker 3: think we've lost what made America so great, which was

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Speaker 3: this pursuit of the truth. To acknowledge that separate but

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Speaker 3: equal was not equal, to acknowledge that we could be

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Speaker 3: a more perfect union. The idea that we're always focused

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Speaker 3: on doing better for our children than the next generation.

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Speaker 3: And now we try to cover stuff up, and now

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Speaker 3: we tried to accept the status quo. The same people

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Speaker 3: who screamed and hollered about prices and voted for Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump because he thought that he would make their life

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Speaker 3: more livable. Look at the stock market, look at four

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Speaker 3: one case. Those same people are saying, well, we need

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Speaker 3: an adjustment in the stock market. It was too high.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't afford your food and fuel, and now you

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Speaker 3: actually want your time and savings to be reduced because

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Speaker 3: it's artificially high. We have to tell the truth, just

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Speaker 3: for once. I want to use the F word, but

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Speaker 3: I don't because I want you to put this hanging on.

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Speaker 2: It's been used often here, Frank, Yes.

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Speaker 3: But I'm actually so serious. Now, embrace the truth, seek

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Speaker 3: the truth, fight for the truth, and demand that people

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Speaker 3: tell you it. And when they say to you they

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Speaker 3: weren't wrong, make them prove it. And when you say

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Speaker 3: to them, I've got a better answer, show me. Please.

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Speaker 1: All that being said, Trump voters, you've been doing the

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Speaker 1: focus groups, you did the assessment of his first one

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Speaker 1: hundred days with everything you just said, everything you laid out,

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Speaker 1: and the imperative of being honest and accountable and speaking truth.

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Speaker 2: No one's moved.

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Speaker 1: His base is not moved, right, I mean remarkably despite

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Speaker 1: their four one case, despite the impacts on prices, the

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Speaker 1: uncertainty as it relates to the tariff, and all the

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Speaker 1: other sort of chaos that one would have otherwise expected. Perhaps,

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Speaker 1: but do I think to degree that certainly is alarming.

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Speaker 3: Because they'll say to you, as they did in a

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Speaker 3: very articulate way, we want action. And Joe Biden was

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Speaker 3: for years of inaction, four years of empty rhetoric without

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Speaker 3: the intensity of getting it done.

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Speaker 1: And they frank, they and forgive me just for cutting

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Speaker 1: you there. But they didn't see the chips and Science acts.

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Speaker 1: They didn't see the infrastructure build they didn't see foreigner

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Speaker 1: bipartisan bills. They didn't see the Safer Community actors relates

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Speaker 1: to gun violence and mental health. They didn't see the IRA,

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Speaker 1: They didn't see those as accomplishments. Is it because the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric didn't back it up? Why was he, from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: missing in action? Or were all those things trivial in

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Speaker 1: the context of the American people.

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Speaker 3: They're not trivial, And normally I try to look at

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Speaker 3: the camera. But now I'm looking at you in my screen.

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Speaker 3: See a reaction here. You actually hit it right on

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Speaker 3: the head. They didn't see it. They didn't see the

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Speaker 3: jobs from the Chips Act. They didn't see the roads

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Speaker 3: getting built from the infrastructure. They didn't see efforts and accountability,

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Speaker 3: all the things that you just mentioned. No, sir, they

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Speaker 3: didn't see it. They heard about it, but it wasn't

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Speaker 3: in front of their eyes. And what did they see?

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Speaker 3: People coming over the wall, people coming across the border

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Speaker 3: at night New York City, where people were illegal immigrants

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Speaker 3: were seen as murderers. That's what they saw. They didn't

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Speaker 3: see prices coming down. They knew the price of eggs,

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Speaker 3: they knew the price of a gallon of gas. That's

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Speaker 3: what they saw. In your question, you actually answered it.

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Speaker 3: They didn't see it. And this is a challenge for

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Speaker 3: you in the last two years of your administration. If

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Speaker 3: you want people to see how Califlorifornia's changed, they have

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Speaker 3: to internalize it. It's not enough for you to say it.

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Speaker 3: You have to show them visually and they have to

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Speaker 3: believe that it's true.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: One more thing about Trump, please, they supported his agendas

807
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Speaker 3: still do. They want an end to illegal immigration, and

808
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Speaker 3: so they're willing to turn a blind eye if some

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Speaker 3: people get kicked out as shop. They desperately want the

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Speaker 3: US on a level playing field versus China. So they're

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Speaker 3: willing to support tariffs if that's what makes China give

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Speaker 3: American products, American services and the American workforce, and even

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Speaker 3: shake which they do not do. No, they didn't see waste,

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Speaker 3: and they desperately want an end to waste. For Washington spending.

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Speaker 3: They don't like Elon Musk with a chainsaw, but they

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Speaker 3: do like the fact that agencies that cannot prove that

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Speaker 3: they're delivering. Yep, they do want those agencies cut. That's

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Speaker 3: why they support Trump, not for the execution, but for

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Speaker 3: the agenda.

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Speaker 1: So, Frank, what is your you know in I love

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Speaker 1: just in the limited time, just pivot a little bit because.

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Speaker 2: I think what you know where we are and where

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Speaker 2: we're going.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think about the reflect you're reflecting on

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Speaker 1: Harris's campaign a little bit and trying to seek some

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Speaker 1: truth telling, particularly from the Democrats, to understand and own it.

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Speaker 1: Where do you see the Democratic Party right now? And

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Speaker 1: where do you see Donald Trump and the republic and

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Speaker 1: perhaps separately, where do you see the Republican Party independent

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Speaker 1: of Trump? And, if I may just to extend the

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Speaker 1: long question, any advice for the Democratic Party, any advice

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Speaker 1: for the Republican Party independent of MAGA perhaps and Trump

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Speaker 1: and trump Ism itself.

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Speaker 3: I have to start somewhere, So we'll start with the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: The public support Trump's agenda, they just don't support the execution.

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Speaker 3: So tell me how you're going to address immigration, but

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Speaker 3: do so in a way that delivers better results. How

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Speaker 3: are you going to address the unleveled playing field between

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Speaker 3: the US and China that is genuinely hurt American manufacturing,

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Speaker 3: but to do so in a way that guarantees that

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Speaker 3: factories can open up here and where American the workforce

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Speaker 3: is respected for what it does. They do want cuts

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Speaker 3: to waste for Washington spending. They just want a scalpel

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Speaker 3: and on a chainsaw. So I'm looking for the Democrat

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Speaker 3: who surrounds himself for the word better, who emphasizes we

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Speaker 3: can do it better than that. We hear you, we

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Speaker 3: understand you. We know you're pissed off, we know you

848
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Speaker 3: wanted us to fight. Don't get mad, don't get even

849
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Speaker 3: get ahead who focuses on leap frogging the current resistance. Two.

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Speaker 3: And it's not aquiescence, it's not Chuck Schumer at all.

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Speaker 3: It's Haakm Jeffries at his best. Because Hakeen Jeffries at

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Speaker 3: his best offers solutions that will address Medicare and medicate

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Speaker 3: that seeks to hold Washington accountable without punishing the hardworking taxpayer.

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Speaker 3: And in the end, and this is the great way

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Speaker 3: to end, the Democratic part respects the hardworking taxpayer. Democrats

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Speaker 3: just want to tack. You say you just want to

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Speaker 3: tax the rich, the wealthy, the affluent. But every time

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Speaker 3: you call for raising the debt tax, for example, that

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Speaker 3: punishes family businesses. Every time you set that number, the

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Speaker 3: people who actually hire, who create jobs, are those who

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Speaker 3: are successful. I live in a beautiful home in la As.

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Speaker 3: You know, I will only be here this year, maybe

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Speaker 3: twenty five days, and I really wanted to do this

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Speaker 3: face to face because I appreciate you, and I wanted

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Speaker 3: to express that you're going to be a leading Democratic candidate.

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Speaker 3: Don't punish success. Find a way to share it, find

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Speaker 3: a way to spread it. But if you punish it,

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Speaker 3: you'll never get elected. Because in the end, Americans will

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Speaker 3: not support that. They do believe that we have a

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Speaker 3: wealth gap that's out of control. It's one of the

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Speaker 3: best democratic issues is income gap. But they don't want

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Speaker 3: to take the wealthy down. They want to bring the

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Speaker 3: paycheck to paycheck voter up. And I don't think Democrats

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Speaker 3: fully understand that.

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Speaker 1: So you think it's a big mistake where Bernie and

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Speaker 1: AOC are going in terms of just the oligarchy frame.

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Speaker 1: You think that just reinforces a frame that you don't.

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Speaker 2: Think as well. You know, it is more broadly well received,

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Speaker 2: despite pulling even your own polling or estimates saying sixty

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Speaker 2: two to three percent of American support of wealth text.

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Speaker 3: It gets them, and someone was you saw the presentation

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Speaker 3: because that's been public about this. Yeah, it gets themed,

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Speaker 3: get some crowds of twenty or thirty thousand people, which

884
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Speaker 3: is a lot, and make them relevant to the debate.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't get them elected president. And that's the difference.

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Speaker 3: And there needs to be someone who says, look, this

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Speaker 3: is a great country, we just have a few of

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Speaker 3: our We need to fix what's wrong without undermining what's

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Speaker 3: right about America. And that's not what they do. They're

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Speaker 3: too negative and they're too on the nose, and it

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Speaker 3: will bring about significant Democratic support, but it will not

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Speaker 3: put them in the overall office. In twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: You're reminded me of Bill Clinton's famous lize nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I believe that that's his line. I believe

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Speaker 3: he wrote that, and that's an understanding of where America

897
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Speaker 3: is at right now. Because we're very pessimistic. We believe

898
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Speaker 3: the future is going to be worse than the present.

899
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Speaker 3: We believe that the president is worse than the past.

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Speaker 3: But we're not going to vote for someone who's inherently negative.

901
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Speaker 3: We're not going to vote for someone who's going to take.

902
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Speaker 3: We want someone who's going to give. And on the

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Speaker 3: Republican side, there has to be a better message than

904
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Speaker 3: we need to get even with them, then we need

905
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Speaker 3: to punish them, because in the end that does not

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Speaker 3: bring the country together. There needs to be a message

907
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Speaker 3: that says, yes, they got it wrong and you got hurt,

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Speaker 3: but you're not forgotten, you're not ignored, and we haven't

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Speaker 3: betrayed you. We will write this country, Remember, Governor, it's

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Speaker 3: the working class union voter that put Donald Trump in

911
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Speaker 3: office and took that election away from Kamala Harris. It's

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Speaker 3: the Latino who said, you want to take all this

913
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Speaker 3: to help the black community. What about us Latino men

914
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Speaker 3: voted Trump for the first time ever. Yep. These are

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Speaker 3: fundamental changes that have not happened. And the last thing

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Speaker 3: I'd say is among young men, they've come to see

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Speaker 3: more in Trump that's better for their future than Vice

918
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Speaker 3: President Harris. I don't know if it's what Trump got right.

919
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Speaker 3: I don't know what Harris got wrong. But these are

920
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Speaker 3: big fundamental shifts that the Democrats have to address, and

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Speaker 3: I don't see them addressing it. This is why. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, at your best, you address it. At

923
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Speaker 3: your best, you talk about this and you engage it.

924
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Speaker 3: You kicked Dessan's ass in that debate, and I think

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Speaker 3: he had the issues on his side. They had the

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Speaker 3: moderator on his side. But every time you go and

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Speaker 3: this is California and I we don't want to get

928
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Speaker 3: into California, but this is part of the Democratic Party.

929
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Speaker 3: You have a group of Democrats that get you to

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Speaker 3: stand up and cheer and give you standing ovations, and

931
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Speaker 3: you're pumping your fists in the air, and I get

932
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Speaker 3: you noticed, but that will not get you votes.

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Speaker 1: Love bless and I want to end as I promised,

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Speaker 1: as we began, and that's going back to Corey Booker.

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Speaker 1: You know you were outspoken in your praise and you've

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Speaker 1: referenced it a few times in this conversation that was

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Speaker 1: twenty five hour marathon. Corey's Corey's consider him sort of

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Speaker 1: extended family.

939
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Speaker 2: I've known him forever.

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Speaker 1: He's an actual friend, not one of those political friends.

941
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Speaker 1: So I have a strong bias towards him, and he's

942
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Speaker 1: just deeply sincere. I think he's a wonderful human being.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, forget politics for me, and my judgment is

944
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Speaker 1: about the character of the person. So I loved the

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Speaker 1: fact that you thought that was a special speech, But

946
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Speaker 1: let's end. Why did you think that was a special speech?

947
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Speaker 1: And what did it represent in this moment that you

948
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Speaker 1: think needs to be more represented more broadly in moments

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Speaker 1: to come.

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Speaker 3: He told stories of real people, He told stories of

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Speaker 3: real life, and he didn't just bash the president. He

952
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Speaker 3: spoke in favor of them, of uplifting them, of celebrating them.

953
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Speaker 3: Corey Booker has the most positive message for the country,

954
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Speaker 3: which is not what Democrats wanted to hear in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: which is why you didn't get the nomination. My challenge

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Speaker 3: to Senator Booker is, can you put that twenty five

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Speaker 3: hours into a bottle, have the guts to say, I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to beat up on Trump. I'm going to

959
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Speaker 3: tell you where we could be as a country, where

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Speaker 3: we could be as a society, and I'm going to

961
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Speaker 3: celebrate the positive that to America as I addressed the

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Speaker 3: pain and the suffering. If he can do that with

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Speaker 3: the discipline of not getting drawn into Trump, and if

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Speaker 3: Democrats realize that they're going to get elected in twenty

965
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Speaker 3: twenty eight, they rise or fall based on their own positions,

966
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Speaker 3: not Trump, based on their ability to do it better

967
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Speaker 3: and more favorably and more hopefully and with greater celebration.

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Speaker 3: We don't celebrate anything anymore. We condemn, and we dismiss,

969
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Speaker 3: and we disregard and we hate. If Booker can be

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Speaker 3: can be the antidote to that, he'll be the Democratic

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Speaker 3: nominee and he'll be the next president. And if he

972
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Speaker 3: can't do it, maybe Mitchell andre can. And if he

973
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Speaker 3: can't do it, maybe Wes Moore can that they can't

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Speaker 3: do it. Sure, maybe you can, but it's not taking

975
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Speaker 3: the easy road, it's taking the better road.

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Speaker 1: Well, what a way to end, Frank, thank you for

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Speaker 1: all your insight, Thanks for the history, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us today.

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Speaker 2: I'm very grateful for this opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And Governor, the idea that this idiot from West Harbor, Connecticut,

981
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: who flunk calculus as a freshman in college, who had

982
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Speaker 3: trouble holding his first job, gets invited to have this

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Speaker 3: conversation with the governor of California. What a life. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: What a life. I appreciate that. Frank, thank you, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being with us on tears.