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Speaker 4: Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're with us. We have the
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Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 5: Okay. We're doing No One.
Speaker 6: And only doing well. My my headphones are low, so
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take them off. But doing well, doing fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What you got right there? You got back here?
Speaker 2: What is that that old thing right there? That thing?
Speaker 5: I don't have one? Where's mine?
Speaker 2: That's the official twenty four Dallas Cowboys Draft Guide. These
Speaker 2: are the first copies printed.
Speaker 4: They're not even available to the public yet I haven't
Speaker 4: even coming soon. Yeah, Nick hadn't even had He wrote
Speaker 4: a good chunk of this thing and he hasn't even
Speaker 4: seen it yet.
Speaker 5: I feel some type of way right now though there's
Speaker 5: no Washington. There's an Organ guy on here, but not
Speaker 5: a Washington guy.
Speaker 2: That was a That was a that was a.
Speaker 4: Conscious I know, but that was a conscious decision my
Speaker 4: part to leave out watching.
Speaker 7: Championship the first their runners up, but.
Speaker 5: We beat We beat Organ in the Organ.
Speaker 6: Won the center, in the in the country, Oregon was
Speaker 6: the whole champion.
Speaker 5: Is there player gonna get drafted before Washington player? Uh no, no, no,
Speaker 5: we have twolayers wouldet drafted before him?
Speaker 7: I was like, I was like, Fountain, maybe.
Speaker 5: We have two players I was gonna get drafted before
Speaker 5: Orgon guy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what disappoints me about this.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's not an athletic logo on there.
Speaker 8: That But like for ads like this where they have
Speaker 8: dak huh, Like, how can't you have just Nick Harrison
Speaker 8: some of these like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just me on top of the plane.
Speaker 8: All the work that he's put in here, you don't
Speaker 8: have hold him holding some Canada drive.
Speaker 5: Nick has a has a calendar coming out saying, oh no, I.
Speaker 7: Would have had to boo me for a photo shoot. This,
Speaker 7: that's I heard you on the read. I know you're
Speaker 7: ready for it.
Speaker 2: We've got to find a way to fit him.
Speaker 4: Some sponsors going to pick him up. Maybe a black rifle,
Speaker 4: take out a page ad.
Speaker 5: Next, what would it take.
Speaker 2: For you to have your calendar so fun calendar?
Speaker 5: Yes, just a couple of dollars. Oh, shoot, I've heard
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: I would I will start to go, don't do that.
Speaker 5: Do we get to pick the outfits? Oh?
Speaker 7: Man, let's got to be right. I don't get excited.
Speaker 7: The prices gotta be right.
Speaker 2: What would the price be? Talk about it because you
Speaker 2: have to give four numbers or five?
Speaker 7: You have to give them. My agent might be six,
Speaker 7: depending on the office.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know if we got that. We don't
Speaker 5: have that kind of I can't raise that kind of bread.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it being a fantasy football punishment.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of that. It's a fantasy where
Speaker 5: you do the.
Speaker 4: At the end of the season, the last place UH
Speaker 4: player in your fantasy football.
Speaker 2: League has to do calendar shoot the body issue.
Speaker 5: Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Like and and everybody gets a copy.
Speaker 5: We're doing this year fantasy football.
Speaker 2: Your hands going to stand there for a long time.
Speaker 1: I'll do fantasy football, but I'm not doing it calendar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just don't lose.
Speaker 1: Oh is that how it works?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I said that last year and I ended up
Speaker 2: taking the s a T.
Speaker 8: So it sounds like somebody's never played fancy football because.
Speaker 1: I have much luck involved with it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there is yeah here.
Speaker 2: For those that are listening, my hand is extended and
Speaker 2: looking at it. Right.
Speaker 5: Surprise, oh surprise. Come on, man, we're gonna raise some funds.
Speaker 5: Beamer wouldn't lose.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 5: In fact, exactly got that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to play against Beamer in anything, especially cornhole.
Speaker 5: Somebody asked me about cornhole last week and I had
Speaker 5: They were like, man, I do, but you're really good
Speaker 5: at cornhole. I was like, actually, I am, actually relatively okay,
Speaker 5: except for when I play against guys like Beamer. Because
Speaker 5: Beamer destroyed me, made it seem like I was a
Speaker 5: young boy and he was a Doug on Jedi night
Speaker 5: at training camp.
Speaker 7: This year, Beamers mister cornhole.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I I I take my hat off for him.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into some news and notes.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of things going on and have been
Speaker 4: going on around the Star in first go, mostly after
Speaker 4: related nick Whenever you look at Dallas day thirty visits
Speaker 4: starting this week, the big twelve Pro day was in town.
Speaker 2: Where do you want to start with those?
Speaker 6: Well, we can also start with owners meetings last week,
Speaker 6: just kind of what wrapped up there in Orlando last week,
Speaker 6: the new kickoff rule getting approved, which is it's fascinating
Speaker 6: because they adopted it from the XFL. But then you
Speaker 6: look at the UFL this last weekend and they just
Speaker 6: ended up going right back to the normal kickoff rules,
Speaker 6: except they pushed it back to the twenty yard line.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of fascinating that they basically just swapped
Speaker 6: kickoff rules.
Speaker 7: But we'll see how that goes into play this next year.
Speaker 6: Kickers are incentivized to kick it between the goal line
Speaker 6: and the twenty yard line instead of just kicking it
Speaker 6: out of the end zone as far as they can,
Speaker 6: so that'll be an interesting adjustment for Brandon Aubrey and
Speaker 6: then Cavante's turpin. He's gonna have to really dial in
Speaker 6: on his field vision to get some big returns. I
Speaker 6: know I've been critical of his field vision on this
Speaker 6: podcast in the past, so I think there's gonna have
Speaker 6: to be some improvement there with Turpin to be able
Speaker 6: to break some of those returns in that new kickoff role.
Speaker 6: But moving past off of owners meetings. Yeah, as you mentioned, Kyle,
Speaker 6: thirty visits this week. Dallas Day was yesterday, Big twelve
Speaker 6: Pro Day was this past weekend at the Star.
Speaker 7: A lot of things happening thirty visits.
Speaker 6: Will have a little bit more on the Draft show
Speaker 6: on that, but basically they're bringing in thirty of their
Speaker 6: top prospects, you know, the across all seven rounds that
Speaker 6: you know they want to talk with and meet with
Speaker 6: more in person, and they'll go through basically a car
Speaker 6: wash talking to people around the building, whether it be
Speaker 6: front office coaches, position coaches, strength and conditioning, scouting, all
Speaker 6: of that. It's a really good opportunity for the team
Speaker 6: to be able to meet with these guys and get
Speaker 6: a better view of who they are in person. And
Speaker 6: then after that it's it's all full steam ahead.
Speaker 7: Into the draft.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 7: We're getting about three weeks away, which is crazy.
Speaker 6: Kind of remember thirty visits, yeah, or Yeah, where did
Speaker 6: you take yours?
Speaker 5: I went to I went to Dallas.
Speaker 7: To Seattle for like a local day.
Speaker 5: He didn't go to Seattle. It was not in their
Speaker 5: top thirty.
Speaker 7: Did you feel the type of way?
Speaker 5: But not even a little bit, not even a little bit.
Speaker 5: I went to Dallas, I went to Saint Louis at
Speaker 5: the time, I went to Jacksonville in Miami.
Speaker 2: Okay, which one was your favorite?
Speaker 7: So to say, there's three really bad airports there, But.
Speaker 5: And I had to and I had to fly back
Speaker 5: to I think I was in LA at the time.
Speaker 5: I had to fly back to LA every time, like
Speaker 5: they wouldn't let you go, Like if I flew to
Speaker 5: Dallas Lois. I was rehabing in LA, so like they
Speaker 5: wouldn't let me fly to Dallas and in the Saint Louis.
Speaker 5: Like there was one time I flew from LA to
Speaker 5: Miami and then I had to fly back to LA
Speaker 5: just to fly back to Jacksonville. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of flying, bro But now there were good visits. I
Speaker 5: remember sitting down with Double J the first time had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to do that. I remember flying at the
Speaker 5: DFW and that was my first time ever experiencing that,
Speaker 5: and I was like, this is the biggest airport in
Speaker 5: the world. And I don't remember where we met, but
Speaker 5: I feel like we met at the airport there. I
Speaker 5: mean we met at the hotel at the airport. I
Speaker 5: think that's yeah. I think it was there because I
Speaker 5: remember still seeing the airport while I was there, So
Speaker 5: that was that was interesting.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 5: The one that I hated the most, I can tell
Speaker 5: you that the one I hated the most was Miami
Speaker 5: because Miami had messed around with my foot at the
Speaker 5: time I was rehabbing my foot from tearing out tearing
Speaker 5: my my list list Frank injury, and they had already
Speaker 5: contorted my foot in a really bad way. I think
Speaker 5: I might to share that at some point in time
Speaker 5: at the combine, and I didn't really take a good
Speaker 5: liking to that, and I went down there and they
Speaker 5: did more of that, and their doctors were pretty much
Speaker 5: just like prodding me, just just just doing everything they
Speaker 5: could to try to elicit any kind of pain reaction
Speaker 5: from me to see exactly how far along I was
Speaker 5: in rehab. And then they took a kicker. I think, wow. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they called me and woke me up as well. The
Speaker 5: second day of the draft, because that's when they were
Speaker 5: doing the first It was the first three rounds Day one,
Speaker 5: and then it was four through seven Day two. Back
Speaker 5: back in two thousand and seven when I got drafted
Speaker 5: and they called and woke me up from my sleep
Speaker 5: and then took a dog on a kicker I believe
Speaker 5: it was or a pun.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was pretty angry so Miami I was that
Speaker 5: was not a fan of Miami.
Speaker 7: How long did that kicker make in the league.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna make it further than the mood.
Speaker 5: I don't even know who was.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 5: Who do they take in the in the fourth?
Speaker 8: Yeah, but we early I think I think that's what
Speaker 8: the fourth if you done a by the Dolphins, Yeah,
Speaker 8: they to take him in the third because you went
Speaker 8: the fourth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went top and four.
Speaker 1: Well the third only took Lorenzo Booker running back.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, that was my top thirty.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if my memory might be jacked up, I got
Speaker 5: hit a few times. Yeah, upon after that's what That's
Speaker 5: what I think it was. It was Jacksonville took upon Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pittsburgh took Daniels Sada from UH Baylor.
Speaker 1: No one more time. It sounded there you go.
Speaker 5: But you know the business was cool, man, But you know,
Speaker 5: you see guys, you don't really see a lot of guys,
Speaker 5: like it's kind of like you're kind of everything is
Speaker 5: very scheduled. Remember, at least at that time, everything was
Speaker 5: very scheduled. You didn't really pass a lot of guys.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like, oh, we're all eating in the same spot.
Speaker 5: It was like you fly in, you meet, you fly out.
Speaker 5: At that time, Yeah, I don't know how different it
Speaker 5: is now.
Speaker 4: It's not far off player that you're a drafted I
Speaker 4: mean from a from a thirty visit standpoint. Right now,
Speaker 4: you come in, you you immediately meet, You usually eat
Speaker 4: breakfast at the facility. You get to meet with a
Speaker 4: bunch of coaches, position coaches, and then they set up
Speaker 4: blocks of times.
Speaker 2: I meet with the.
Speaker 4: Front office staff, then you meet with the scouts, then
Speaker 4: you meet with the coaching and then you meet with
Speaker 4: the head coach, and it's kind of like all over
Speaker 4: it's just a block day and then you you fly
Speaker 4: out later at that in the night so it's not
Speaker 4: too far off from.
Speaker 2: What you had. Maybe another free meal or two thrown in,
Speaker 2: but not at all. That's that's really what it looks like. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 4: It is important to keep track of thirty visits though,
Speaker 4: because I mean, the Cowboys traditionally will take some multiple
Speaker 4: thirty visits in the upcoming draft and at different times
Speaker 4: in the draft. It may not be the first round pick,
Speaker 4: but it could be your second round pick, third round pick.
Speaker 5: Who knows how much of that do you think or
Speaker 5: your fits? I guess per I guess it depends on
Speaker 5: last year they took a sixth in terms of a
Speaker 5: gainsmanship being that because that kind of it can kind
Speaker 5: of tip your hat in terms of who you're really
Speaker 5: looking at. How much of that is like kind of
Speaker 5: gamesmanship in terms of, oh, we're gonna bring this guy in?
Speaker 8: Just because I will say that under Jason Garrett it
Speaker 8: was very telling who the thirty. It has not been
Speaker 8: as telling under Mike McCarthy, but under j when Jason
Speaker 8: Garrett was head coach man, that was a really good bet.
Speaker 8: I want to say all of his first round picks,
Speaker 8: aside from mow Clayborn, were thirty visit guys, whereas with
Speaker 8: the Cowboys, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb was a thirty visit.
Speaker 7: I don't believe.
Speaker 8: So there's been a couple that and since McCarthy's been actors,
Speaker 8: they didn't take yeah so well.
Speaker 4: And like Jalen Hurts was a thirty visit in that
Speaker 4: twenty twenty draft because it was the virtual and they
Speaker 4: did all the right that stuff. So Aalen Hurts was
Speaker 4: technically a thirty visit. Tyler Smith was not. Micah and
Speaker 4: Mazie were. So it's like it's not completely telling. And
Speaker 4: I mean you'll see at times last year they had
Speaker 4: a ton of receivers in the building. They had Quinton
Speaker 4: Johnston from TCU, they had Jackson Smith and Jigbu.
Speaker 2: From rock Wall. That's kind of a Dallas Day thing.
Speaker 4: But they have these guys, these these position groups that
Speaker 4: they have no interest in taking currently that will come
Speaker 4: in and either that's a part of the gamemanship just
Speaker 4: to kind of like muddy the water or its future consideration.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, we're not going to trade up to
Speaker 4: go get Caleb Williams, but you may bring him in
Speaker 4: just to go see like what's going on, Like how's
Speaker 4: how's he processed the game, how does he do on
Speaker 4: a whiteboard? How does he mesh with coaching staff? I
Speaker 4: mean all that kind of stuff matters. So that way
Speaker 4: down the road, seven or eight years, who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe Kayleb Williams is available. And that's just another conversation.
Speaker 6: If Washington had the number one overall pick and it
Speaker 6: was like as certain as it is for Chicago taking
Speaker 6: Kayleb Williams, would you waste a thirty visit on bringing
Speaker 6: Kaleb Williams in just to see what he's just to
Speaker 6: see what he's going, just to pick his brain.
Speaker 2: Sure I would.
Speaker 7: If you're Callabiyas as an agent, would you show up?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, interesting, Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2: Good point too.
Speaker 4: There was a guy that was, i mean top top
Speaker 4: five eligible the last couple of years that came in.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to come go back and look at
Speaker 2: my notes.
Speaker 8: I would go to every single thirty visit that invited
Speaker 8: to I wasn't the number one, surely yeah, because I
Speaker 8: would be just fine. If some really good team is
Speaker 8: going to package up a ton of picks, they come
Speaker 8: up and get me and I'm in a way better
Speaker 8: situation than going.
Speaker 1: To whoever was the worst tea in the year before.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, Also, I hope that these agents are passing
Speaker 5: along wisdom in terms of the long game, right, because yeah,
Speaker 5: there might be teams that are trying to get you
Speaker 5: to come to a thirty visit that aren't anywhere in
Speaker 5: position to take you. Yeah, right, you know, obviously they
Speaker 5: could do trades and things of that nature, but realistically
Speaker 5: they're not in a position to take you in this
Speaker 5: year's draft at the pick that you're most likely going
Speaker 5: to go at. But five years from now, you don't
Speaker 5: know how that meeting can have an impact on what
Speaker 5: may come into future. So in terms of the long games,
Speaker 5: you know, relationship building, you know, how is your you know,
Speaker 5: how is your character? You know, are you going to
Speaker 5: come on the visit? Do you think that you're bigger
Speaker 5: than the organization? Do you think that you're bigger than
Speaker 5: the pick? Like, there's so many other things that you
Speaker 5: can take away from that that I hope that these
Speaker 5: agents are putting their guys in position to take advantage
Speaker 5: of if they're invited on some of these thirty visits.
Speaker 2: That's the point of the thirty visit.
Speaker 4: Right is to get to know these products or these prospects,
Speaker 4: to get to know them on a deeper level than
Speaker 4: just film and medicals, because that's that's what they have
Speaker 4: right now, is film medicals, and then any informal or
Speaker 4: formal meeting that they've had, either at.
Speaker 2: The Senior Bowl or combine down the road. This is
Speaker 2: the formal formalism ultimately what.
Speaker 8: It is the thing with him talking about the foot, though,
Speaker 8: if I was coming off of an injury, I think
Speaker 8: maybe that might now hearing that story hinder that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: where I'm like, I don't know if I need to
Speaker 8: go to every single and again I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 8: vit number one overall picked or likely going to be
Speaker 8: the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want all these teams doing
Speaker 1: that to me.
Speaker 8: And yes, but if I'm healthy and they just want
Speaker 8: to sit down and talk to me, like, I don't
Speaker 8: think I would turn anybody down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take our first break. When we
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit about the cap situation,
Speaker 4: And I know that sounds kind of broad, but that's.
Speaker 2: What it needs to be.
Speaker 4: The cap situation is what it is for the Cowboys
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Speaker 4: what the Cowboys could do for the rest of the
Speaker 4: off season because we're weeks at this point into free.
Speaker 2: Agency and there still hasn't been a ton of movement.
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Speaker 5: I did not get in my oats, Kyle, because the
Speaker 5: show got moved back to ten o'clock last week when
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Speaker 5: I love my oats, but I haven't had any What
Speaker 5: do you feel like the best show you've ever had? Was?
Speaker 2: Was that the Hot Sauce episode?
Speaker 5: It's gotta be the White Draws. Hot Sauce was a
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Speaker 8: So this is this is an interesting topic to me
Speaker 8: because I'm definitely one of those people that I don't
Speaker 8: like watching anything that I do over again. I hate
Speaker 8: the way my voice sounds like I never feel like
Speaker 8: anything is ever where I'm like, oh, yeah, this was
Speaker 8: really good thing.
Speaker 1: So do you guys feel that way?
Speaker 8: Like you know, whether you're calling a game or you
Speaker 8: know when you're doing I don't know.
Speaker 1: Heck, even when you played in games, did.
Speaker 5: You ever feel like cringe a lot of times?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the way I feel about.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like the way you acted when when we brought
Speaker 8: that the wrestling video, which I didn't think it was bad,
Speaker 8: but you were like you didn't want to see it.
Speaker 5: Bring it up again?
Speaker 7: Yes, I think I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get that one.
Speaker 6: I think to be more critical on you know what
Speaker 6: I what I put forth, I want to be able
Speaker 6: to have like a good understanding of it, because not
Speaker 6: everyone hears your voice and thinks, oh, that's cringe.
Speaker 7: It's only you that feels that way. So I just
Speaker 7: took that out of my mind.
Speaker 8: And there's like actors that say like they never watched,
Speaker 8: never do movies, and that's why I could.
Speaker 5: I don't like to, but I think it's necessary. And plus,
Speaker 5: you know, like our coach, our coach that we have
Speaker 5: is he's pretty anal when it comes to you know,
Speaker 5: be on top of you, on top of your feedback.
Speaker 5: So I have to watch that with with his perspective,
Speaker 5: you know. So I try to take that and take
Speaker 5: the wisdom from people who have been there, done that,
Speaker 5: coach greats and look at it from their lens, because
Speaker 5: if you don't, then you feel like you that you
Speaker 5: know better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to know what Jerry Madelone would
Speaker 4: say about that sentence.
Speaker 2: The thing about going back and watching it is the.
Speaker 4: I had a mentor very early on tell me, like,
Speaker 4: you have to get over that because like for me specifically,
Speaker 4: I call games in every sport and I kind of
Speaker 4: go and do that a lot. I want to get
Speaker 4: better at it. It's like watching film. This is kind
Speaker 4: of the easy way to look at it. It may
Speaker 4: not be good film and you may have to kind
Speaker 4: of get.
Speaker 2: Over it a little bit and put your pride aside.
Speaker 4: But I've gotten into a rhythm where once or twice
Speaker 4: a month I'll go back and watch a game and
Speaker 4: it's entirely or watch a pregame or postgame show talking
Speaker 4: Cowboys draft show in its entirety, and really like dissect
Speaker 4: it and go into it. It's like you said, it's
Speaker 4: tough at first to kind of get into it and
Speaker 4: listen to your own voice. But at some point it
Speaker 4: turns around. At some point it does, and now I
Speaker 4: just listen to Isaiah's boys.
Speaker 2: That's the best part about it.
Speaker 4: All right, Let's talk about the elephant in the room, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: There's not an elephant actually in the room, I.
Speaker 2: Say, sorry.
Speaker 4: The fact that there has been zero movement from the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys this offseason. The one outside signing has been
Speaker 4: Eric Hendricks. You've seen all these guys leave at different
Speaker 4: points throughout the off season, like a Tyron Smith and
Speaker 4: Doornce Armstrong's so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: I can name all of them, but I'm got his valor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So why, I mean, that's kind of the number
Speaker 4: one concern right now of teams right now, or of
Speaker 4: fans I should say right now about this Dallas Cowboys team.
Speaker 7: Why it's a concern stemming I'll dive into it.
Speaker 6: The concern stemming from from upstairs is that if signing
Speaker 6: anybody this go around, whether it be in free agency
Speaker 6: or you know, extending anybody out of this point or
Speaker 6: restructuring anything, you're pushing money along in those voidable years,
Speaker 6: and the cash that you would spend now, you're pushing
Speaker 6: those that money into avoidable years where they feel like
Speaker 6: they're going to have restricting cap situations in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 6: twenty two, six, et cetera. Not as much a twenty six.
Speaker 6: It's more so a twenty five problem. That is the
Speaker 6: understanding from upstairs. I'm trying to communicate that clearly because
Speaker 6: there is a clear disconnect between Twitter and upstairs as
Speaker 6: far as what the cap situation exactly looks like.
Speaker 7: I am the messenger, who not kill the messenger.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing we're not selling hope by telling
Speaker 4: exact facts. That's not what we're trying to do here.
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate they haven't signed players yet, they haven't retained
Speaker 4: some good talent like an armstrong I mean a be honist.
Speaker 4: You don't have a starting center right now, so I'll
Speaker 4: throw him in the mix. Left tackle Tyron Smith.
Speaker 2: I think you can.
Speaker 4: Fix that by the draft, yeah, and you can fix
Speaker 4: that by replacing free agents at some point.
Speaker 2: But when you don't have money to spend, you don't
Speaker 2: have money to spend.
Speaker 6: And I think this term meteoric whenever Jonathan Hankins left
Speaker 6: and his contract was basically nothing, and the fans.
Speaker 7: Were like, Okay, we can't afford that.
Speaker 6: So it's I think that's where most of this frustration
Speaker 6: had stemmed around. I don't think Hankins was a situation
Speaker 6: where they couldn't afford him, though. I think it was
Speaker 6: a situation where he wanted to go play for dirty
Speaker 6: and get back and that's on the West Coast. I
Speaker 6: think that's that's what I believe as far as Hankins goes.
Speaker 6: But I haven't talked to the man, so I don't
Speaker 6: know that one hundred percent. But I don't think it
Speaker 6: was one hundred percent financial. But I mean, you look
Speaker 6: at the other situations and the guys that they have
Speaker 6: resigned and the dollar amounts that they've resigned them for
Speaker 6: the outside free agents that have gone on and signed
Speaker 6: for you know, low dollar amounts as well. I think
Speaker 6: you can fully expect that this team is just looking
Speaker 6: forward to the draft and trying to address needs in
Speaker 6: the draft. And I think post June one, you'll probably
Speaker 6: see that free agent you know, swing that you see
Speaker 6: in the summer. I think they'll be a little bit
Speaker 6: more active in that, just trying to fill up the team.
Speaker 6: But if you're looking for a big name like you know,
Speaker 6: Derrick Henry going into the off season or anything like that,
Speaker 6: I don't really know what you were expecting to be honest,
Speaker 6: because if signing a guy like that, let's just let's
Speaker 6: take money out of the equation. It's a thirty year
Speaker 6: old coming into a running back room where they are
Speaker 6: trying to improve and have a little bit more youth
Speaker 6: in that room as well. They're going to go draft
Speaker 6: a guy and they're expecting that guy to be able
Speaker 6: to step up and beat RB one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that running back room.
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone would be confident in anybody in
Speaker 6: that room being RB one right now and being able
Speaker 6: to carry on that load. So you go get a
Speaker 6: Jonathan Brooks, you go get a Trey Benson, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera. That's what they need in that room. That's
Speaker 6: just one example, but I think that can kind of
Speaker 6: go on both sides of the ball well.
Speaker 4: And I think you bring up a great point of
Speaker 4: there's still time to address needs. It just hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 4: because you have to feel the team, I mean, pure
Speaker 4: and simple. You've got to you've got to put together
Speaker 4: your draft picks, which you don't.
Speaker 2: Have a boatload of.
Speaker 4: You've got a normal amount with seven, but you don't
Speaker 4: you don't have the money to go out there and
Speaker 4: sign all these guys that you would want to sign
Speaker 4: at some point. And I've heard this analogy from throughout
Speaker 4: the building, but it's like spending on a credit card,
Speaker 4: and that credit card at some point, whenever you kick
Speaker 4: contracts down the road, whether it be Dak Zach Martin, Tyr,
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith, Terrence Steele, you're pushing this money further and
Speaker 4: further away, but at some point it will come back
Speaker 4: and hit the cap. And I think a big misconception
Speaker 4: a lot on the way is that cash doesn't count
Speaker 4: toward the cap.
Speaker 2: That's wrong.
Speaker 4: At some point, every single dollar that's given as a
Speaker 4: cash offer or a signing bonus or whatever that ends
Speaker 4: up being. That money will at some point hit the cap.
Speaker 4: It's just whether of win it will hit the cap.
Speaker 4: And so whenever you're saying, oh, that money's all gone,
Speaker 4: that forty million that you gave the deck as a
Speaker 4: signing bonus, that's just not going to ever hit. It's
Speaker 4: going to hit. And that's part of it is it's
Speaker 4: all kind of hitting at this point in time. So
Speaker 4: you've spent the credit card, you've swiped it. You fielded
Speaker 4: a team over the last couple of years. You struck
Speaker 4: out in the playoffs, which is unfortunate and fortunate, but
Speaker 4: you won twelve games in each of the last three years.
Speaker 4: You got to find a way to fill the team
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four then continue to push on.
Speaker 2: That window down the line. That's what they're trying to
Speaker 2: do right now.
Speaker 5: They're doing hard stuff right now, and this is where
Speaker 5: this organization is at. You know, you guys have laid
Speaker 5: out some great examples. You just laid it out and
Speaker 5: make in terms of where these guys are at situationally.
Speaker 5: But the reality is they have to watch their friends
Speaker 5: go go on vacations right now, and they don't have
Speaker 5: bread to do it. And that's that's where I don't
Speaker 5: know if everybody's ever been in that position before.
Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, you spent you spent your bread.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Like you might have you
Speaker 5: might have got a nice car, you might have got
Speaker 5: you know, a nice house or whatever it might be. Yeah,
Speaker 5: three kids popped out of nowhere. Yeah. But then but then,
Speaker 5: like all your friends are like, hey, we're about to go,
Speaker 5: We're about to go to Europe. You want to come,
Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, the way my bank accounts set up
Speaker 5: right now, I just can't do that. So you got
Speaker 5: to sit back and you got to watch them go
Speaker 5: have fun, and you just got to trust and believe
Speaker 5: in your process and say, Okay, next year, this time around,
Speaker 5: I'll be in a better position to be able to
Speaker 5: go do the things that I want to do.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go join Perry Church on the skiing and
Speaker 4: gonna make it happen, you know.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, like that's where they're at.
Speaker 5: They're making grown up decisions right now, and and it sucks,
Speaker 5: and nobody likes not being able to do what you
Speaker 5: want to do. But at some point in time. You
Speaker 5: have to be an adult about it. You have to
Speaker 5: be responsible, and you have to do the things that
Speaker 5: are absolutely necessary to put you in a position in
Speaker 5: the future. Otherwise you keep digging a bigger hole.
Speaker 8: And so from the fans standpoint, I understand their frustration
Speaker 8: because of one Jerry repeatedly saying the all in thing,
Speaker 8: which made everything worse to begin with. The Other part
Speaker 8: is that you see the salary cap go up thirty million,
Speaker 8: and you just assume, well, yeah, business is boom in
Speaker 8: the NFL. It's just going to keep going up like that.
Speaker 8: I don't get the sense of the cowboys feel like
Speaker 8: that's going to continue to happen. So they are projecting
Speaker 8: out like looking into the future, as you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 8: so you've got to factor that in.
Speaker 4: The number that we were told was ten million over
Speaker 4: the next three years is what it would rise from
Speaker 4: what it is right now. So it took us step
Speaker 4: up and then it's going to even out. It'll still
Speaker 4: go up because it's the NFL. But if you look
Speaker 4: at sky Rocket that it was his passed off.
Speaker 6: If you look at pre pandemic era of salary cap jump,
Speaker 6: it's typically about seven percent, and that would equate to
Speaker 6: about sixteen million.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 8: So that's part of it. And then the other thing
Speaker 8: is is that it's it's told to us that this
Speaker 8: is being done so that they can be sure that
Speaker 8: they're able to re sign dak CD and Micah and
Speaker 8: then none of that stuff's happening.
Speaker 1: But then there's even this.
Speaker 8: Even if it does happen or it was happening right
Speaker 8: now and those guys are getting resigned, there's if you're
Speaker 8: a fan, there's a party that is looking at it like, well, yeah,
Speaker 8: we already have those we want more stuff. That stuff
Speaker 8: wasn't good enough for us to even beat the packers.
Speaker 8: You know, if those three guys that you're paying are
Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, You're just like, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 8: I understand. We're not gonna be able to keep you know,
Speaker 8: all of our DB's and we're gonna have to make
Speaker 8: some moves and stuff like that. We're gonna lose the
Speaker 8: Tyreek Hill, but then we're gonna go on and we're
Speaker 8: gonna keep playing in super Bowls. And so you're not
Speaker 8: getting any closer to Super Bowls and you're not getting
Speaker 8: any additional players. So my big thing on this is
Speaker 8: it's like, it's got to be tough for a fan
Speaker 8: because on paper, your team is not gonna be better
Speaker 8: next year than was this previous year, and this previous
Speaker 8: year it wasn't good enough to get over the hump either,
Speaker 8: And so it's like, well, if you're not adding any
Speaker 8: new pieces, then what am I supposed to hope for?
Speaker 8: Where am I supposed to get excited about this team
Speaker 8: going in the next season? And that's why I kind
Speaker 8: of compare it to I wrote today about what Mike
Speaker 8: McCarthy said last week. I compare it to twenty fourteen
Speaker 8: and twenty sixteen. Those were really good years for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: but those are years going into them where the expectations
Speaker 8: have been had been lowered, you know. I mean Jerry
Speaker 8: said in that twenty fourteen in training camp that it
Speaker 8: was gonna be an uphill battle. And that's a wild
Speaker 8: coming from a Jerry Jones who never talks like that
Speaker 8: at training camp.
Speaker 1: It's usually very positive.
Speaker 8: Whatever, and what do they do in twenty fourteen The
Speaker 8: end up having a great season, and then in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 8: you know, they're coming off of Romo's hurt in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 8: they only win four games, So you're sitting there like,
Speaker 8: all right, well this will be the year because and
Speaker 8: then Romo goes down in the preseason and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 8: they're gonna They're gonna rely in this fourth round pick.
Speaker 8: And they end up winning thirteen games to get the
Speaker 8: one seed. And so when expectations have been lowered, the
Speaker 8: Cowboys have respound. Now they still haven't made a deep
Speaker 8: playoff run, and that's ultimately what this crew is going
Speaker 8: to be decided on.
Speaker 1: But I get both sides of it.
Speaker 8: The only issue is, though, is like when you talk
Speaker 8: about like taking it to Twitter, it just gets like
Speaker 8: kind of dark and just the way I don't know
Speaker 8: the back and worth with people, it just gets so
Speaker 8: negative that it, like, for example, for myself, like I
Speaker 8: don't even like getting involved with it, just because there's
Speaker 8: just you can have ten good interactions and then three
Speaker 8: just super negative ones to where you're just like, I'm
Speaker 8: not doing this anymore, Like I'm not getting paid any
Speaker 8: extra to do this thing, Like why am I taking
Speaker 8: my time out of the day so people are going
Speaker 8: to take shots at me and stuff like that. So
Speaker 8: I totally I'm on the side of sometimes you just
Speaker 8: got to take a step back from doing all that
Speaker 8: stuff too.
Speaker 4: So, like you said, there's two sides to it. There's
Speaker 4: the side of it that's the frustrated fan.
Speaker 2: And I get it. I grew up a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2: I want to see this team win just as much
Speaker 2: as anybody.
Speaker 4: On the other side, there's the business element of the
Speaker 4: NFL and the salary cap. Jerry Jones has said it
Speaker 4: before it and I believe him in this matter because
Speaker 4: I see what he does around the building.
Speaker 2: If he didn't have a.
Speaker 4: Salary cap, he would pay for a team that would
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl every year. It would he would
Speaker 4: New York Yankees this thing more than anybody because the.
Speaker 2: Yankees don't have a salary cap.
Speaker 4: He would be the Dallas Cowboys without a salary cap
Speaker 4: as well. I believe that he wants to win as
Speaker 4: bad as anybody.
Speaker 8: The longer I cover the team, I doubt that a
Speaker 8: little bit more each year that goes by.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know why why do you doubt it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're going to get in.
Speaker 1: But no, no, it's fine.
Speaker 8: I just think that there's certain areas where uh coaching
Speaker 8: staff for example, there's no salary cap on coaching staff, no, Like,
Speaker 8: so how come they don't just go out and you're
Speaker 8: just always like, oh yeah, well the cow would just
Speaker 8: spend whatever and they just get like, you know, they
Speaker 8: literally have like the the da Alls Cowboys, how much
Speaker 8: they're worth. They literally every time you like every time
Speaker 8: you look at their staff, best wide receiver coach, best
Speaker 8: running back coach, best I mean, you see it in college.
Speaker 8: You see it all the time in college, the big
Speaker 8: money teams, the Alabamas and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The Georgia's they're not, they're not.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they bring up Now their staffs are are a
Speaker 8: little bit different because there's a lot of gas and
Speaker 8: things like that. But like they're just like little things
Speaker 8: like that. The longer I cover the team and like,
Speaker 8: is it really exhausting every single last dollar?
Speaker 2: Maybe, well who would you go get in that element?
Speaker 4: I mean you went and got Mike McCarthy, who at
Speaker 4: the time, I mean we're five years down the road now.
Speaker 4: At the time, he was one of the few Super
Speaker 4: Bowl active head coaches in the NFL that had been
Speaker 4: to the mountaintop and done it. I know, it's been
Speaker 4: a long time, trust me, but he was one of
Speaker 4: them that had done it. Other than that, what are
Speaker 4: you going to get. You're going to get John Harball,
Speaker 4: You're going to get Mike Tomlin, You're going to get
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. Even right now, I don't think Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: is a better higher than what Mike McCarthy has done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's elements to it.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, and you could spend on maybe
Speaker 4: position coaches, but I don't think we've had a problem
Speaker 4: with any of the position coaches along the way, And
Speaker 4: if we have, we've I mean it's been a quick thing.
Speaker 5: I just.
Speaker 8: Because even that individual like the Dallas Cowboys coaching staff
Speaker 8: is not like one of the highest paid coaching staffs,
Speaker 8: and sure like you would assume with everything with the
Speaker 8: Dallas but you would assume like, no, no, this is
Speaker 8: every every single part of this best best beast. Like
Speaker 8: you know, when those NFLPA surveys come out, every single
Speaker 8: thing would be best best it's the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You have every single thing.
Speaker 2: So it's a good point.
Speaker 1: I don't know there is. I mean, there's kind of
Speaker 1: team I believe me.
Speaker 8: There was a lot of times where I used to
Speaker 8: argue with people, other reporters and things like that, saying
Speaker 8: that like, oh, Jerry doesn't care about winning. Whatever hell
Speaker 8: he cares about is the money. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 8: if you win big that nothing's going to bring in
Speaker 8: more money than that.
Speaker 1: So I don't doubt. I'm just saying that, I don't
Speaker 1: doubt one hundred percent what you're saying.
Speaker 8: I just saying every year I cover the team, the
Speaker 8: more and more I'm just kind of gives that really
Speaker 8: the case.
Speaker 4: Maybe, Yeah, there's elements to it, there's levels to it,
Speaker 4: and we've seen that along the way, and I think
Speaker 4: this off season brings a little bit of all of
Speaker 4: those elements out. So everybody has an opinion over a
Speaker 4: certain area or aspect of this team, and it's going
Speaker 4: to continue to grow as the off season goes along,
Speaker 4: which is why we'll be here as we continue.
Speaker 5: To talk about it.
Speaker 4: All Right, we've got to take our second break. When
Speaker 4: we come back. There'd be a possible homecoming in Dallas.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it when we come back. Right after this.
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Speaker 4: all right, would you ever return to a team.
Speaker 2: That let you walk in free agency?
Speaker 4: Would you ever come back? If if the time and
Speaker 4: the place was right?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: Would you ever do it?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially if the options that I was looking at
Speaker 6: whenever that team did leave me, leave me into the
Speaker 6: free agency pool were abundant.
Speaker 4: I'll say that, yeah, would you if you were the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys, welcome Ezekiel.
Speaker 2: Elliott back into the fold? Yes, as a part of
Speaker 2: this team.
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 5: I think that he was a foundational pillar. I think
Speaker 5: he was an exemplary player for this organization. I think
Speaker 5: that way he provided this team can't be forgotten. I
Speaker 5: think he's still productive. I think that's probably the more
Speaker 5: important thing at this point in regards to where he
Speaker 5: would be valuable to this team. Red zone blocking. Obviously,
Speaker 5: you still need a piece that would coincide with him.
Speaker 5: But I think if you're going to carry, you know,
Speaker 5: three solid backs on this roster. I think that he
Speaker 5: could still provide value for you, depending on the guy
Speaker 5: that you that you end up getting in the draft.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he would be the tandem back. I mean
Speaker 4: that's kind of the expectation. He's not gonna be RB one.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be paid like a backup running back, and
Speaker 4: then he would be the guy to mentored this next generation.
Speaker 2: Would you do it?
Speaker 5: Would you bring him back?
Speaker 6: You mentioned everything that he does well blocking, you have
Speaker 6: that in the running back room, red zone presence, you
Speaker 6: don't have that, but you can go get that in
Speaker 6: the draft. I struggle with throwing Ezekiel Elliott into that
Speaker 6: running back room when the defensive tackle position only has
Speaker 6: one body in it right now, when the linebacker corp
Speaker 6: could really use an extra body or two, the safety
Speaker 6: unit arguably could use an extra body or two.
Speaker 7: Corner as well. I mean, you can look all around
Speaker 7: the team.
Speaker 6: I just I feel like the can go draft a
Speaker 6: running back, pair him with freeco Daoudle Duce, Vaughan Hunter
Speaker 6: Lipkey in that room and just see what tandem works best.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 6: I think I think the running back room issues from
Speaker 6: last year would not have been solved with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 7: So I don't. I don't think there's necessarily a huge value.
Speaker 6: But if you get him on a veteran minimum he
Speaker 6: wants to come in and he understands that he'd be
Speaker 6: competing for a job, not that he would have one,
Speaker 6: then sure, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 5: That's that's the mindset that I have. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: just bring him in and hand him the job. But
Speaker 5: I'm not. As much as I love duce Vaughan, I'm
Speaker 5: not confident that he'll be on this roster by the
Speaker 5: end of training camp.
Speaker 2: That's just being he's gonna have to show out.
Speaker 5: He's going to show out on offense and special teams yep.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately his size has had an impact on his
Speaker 5: ability to be effective in both of those regards to date.
Speaker 5: Now his ability is just how effective he's been. So
Speaker 5: that's a reality. That's been his reality his entire life,
Speaker 5: and that's the situation he finds himself in. He has
Speaker 5: to find a way. He always has up to date,
Speaker 5: but he has he's gonna have to prove that. And
Speaker 5: for those reasons, I don't see. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: have a crystal ball, but I don't foresee him having
Speaker 5: enough of an impact from what I've the evidence that
Speaker 5: I have on film in the league for him to
Speaker 5: be on this roster. So because of that, I think
Speaker 5: that you bring in another Zeke, and whether you put
Speaker 5: him at two or three, I don't freaking care. Right,
Speaker 5: you bring him in. He has wisdom, right, and then
Speaker 5: you still have to get your guy in the draft, I.
Speaker 6: Will say, and I know it's not it's it's not
Speaker 6: comparing apples and apples, But Darrence Rolls had a very
Speaker 6: similar rookie season and it kind of took him a
Speaker 6: year to be able to figure out how to use
Speaker 6: his body and then he got hurt and he was
Speaker 6: lucky he would not have a league in the first
Speaker 6: two three years.
Speaker 7: So there's still hope there.
Speaker 6: I think produced fun and I think these new kickoff
Speaker 6: roles kind of give him an opportunity to be able
Speaker 6: to see what he can do with uh, you know,
Speaker 6: the return game as well.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I would be fine with with Zeke coming back,
Speaker 8: depending on what they do in the draft. But if
Speaker 8: you're using a second or third round pick, you know,
Speaker 8: on a on a on a back.
Speaker 1: I expect that to be your guy. That's the guy
Speaker 1: that you need to be. Uh, give the majority of
Speaker 1: the touches too.
Speaker 8: But if they don't, because I thought that was gonna
Speaker 8: happen last year, to be honest with you, when they
Speaker 8: part of ways with Zeke, I thought they would draft
Speaker 8: a running back second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that didn't happen.
Speaker 8: And so if let's say that happens again this year's draft,
Speaker 8: where you know, in the second round, just the right
Speaker 8: guy isn't there for the value and they go another route,
Speaker 8: and then the third just isn't the right guy for
Speaker 8: the value.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 8: Next thing, you know, you're not getting a running back
Speaker 8: to the fifth or sixth round. I could be interested
Speaker 8: in the Zeke return that, but like right now, I
Speaker 8: don't think it makes any It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 8: And that's not just Zeke, it's just really any running
Speaker 8: back in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Dalvin Cook, whatever.
Speaker 4: And I like the point that Nick brought up to
Speaker 4: about there are other positions to be addressed right now,
Speaker 4: and running back is so deep in this draft class.
Speaker 4: I mean we can I mean I'll open up this
Speaker 4: Dallas Star Magazine draft guide, Uh yeah, and just look
Speaker 4: at some of these guys.
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's see, uh.
Speaker 4: Jalen Wright out of Tennessee, Jonathan Brooks Texas, Trey Benson,
Speaker 4: Bucky Irving, Blake or I mean, you've got options in
Speaker 4: the upcoming draft. That's that's where you find your running
Speaker 4: back talent. But when it comes to veterans in a
Speaker 4: specific position, I would rather have them at linebacker. I
Speaker 4: would rather have them at defensive tackle safety, even if
Speaker 4: there's a possibility. I know you've got veterans of safety now,
Speaker 4: but you need you need extra rotation there too. So
Speaker 4: let let the draft play out first and then we
Speaker 4: can talk about it. Is kind of where I'm at
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 6: I agree, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a very
Speaker 6: similar situation where it's a big talking point all the
Speaker 6: way up until training camp, over in the first couple
Speaker 6: of weeks of training camp, and then they sign somebody.
Speaker 8: But if they take a running back in the second
Speaker 8: or third round, I don't think it'll be a talking
Speaker 8: point for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I really I hope not.
Speaker 5: But like Ken, they don't, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: With the holes that they have, can you take a
Speaker 5: running back that early? That's my question.
Speaker 8: If you're Mike McCarthy and this is your second year
Speaker 8: of calling the offense and you think it's going to
Speaker 8: make that much of a difference in your offense that
Speaker 8: particular player, then yeah, I could see him doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, offensive line, running back, defensive tackle for three rounds?
Speaker 7: Where do you have the issue.
Speaker 5: The tackle? I feel like there's more running backs available
Speaker 5: than these tackles to play that Zimmer I feel like,
Speaker 5: and I agree with you, what you need. You can't
Speaker 5: even say that's a bigger need.
Speaker 8: But in terms of value, like the chances of that
Speaker 8: running back coming in and making a media impact, and
Speaker 8: the defensive tackle to me, aren't even in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 8: It's not even close. Like, what are you getting from
Speaker 8: that defensive tackle in year one?
Speaker 5: They better get a lot In the Zimmer system, I
Speaker 5: think you have. You have to in his system. You
Speaker 5: have you cannot have an undersized interior defensiveignment in his system.
Speaker 2: Were not even one. He was, he was your first
Speaker 2: round pick.
Speaker 5: He can't be the guy now in his current size.
Speaker 2: I don't where he's that.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him since the offseason started, but based
Speaker 5: upon where he ended last year, he at that size
Speaker 5: is ineffective. In a Zimmer system, defensive tackle is so
Speaker 5: much tougher to come in and be pro rreg thought,
Speaker 5: which is why I say, can you afford you have
Speaker 5: two offensive line positions that have to be filled. Now
Speaker 5: you can easily say, okay, yeah, we have some guys
Speaker 5: that you know, Hoffman and things of that nature that
Speaker 5: we hope are going to come in and field the void.
Speaker 8: But I think the hope I think the defensive tackle
Speaker 8: will be addressed with some type of a veteran player.
Speaker 8: I don't whether it be a trade, how they got Hankins, whatever,
Speaker 8: there's gonna be something that happens there.
Speaker 1: I do not see them relying.
Speaker 8: On, oh well, we better take it a defensive tackle
Speaker 8: in the first two rounds to pair with Mazi and Osa.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that happen.
Speaker 8: I think they need a veteran guy who And when
Speaker 8: I say that, it's not gonna be somebody when the
Speaker 8: move happens and everyone's gonna be like, oh, this fixes everything, yeah,
Speaker 8: just like no one was really acting but when they
Speaker 8: got Hankins. But it's gonna have to be a veteran
Speaker 8: that's like Ben around the game who it's not gonna
Speaker 8: be somebody that gets six seven sacks.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be.
Speaker 8: But they're gonna be just a solid player in the
Speaker 8: middle that that Zimmer likes.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Three thirty plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big, yeah, big body in there that's a.
Speaker 2: Beef gotta be big beef gotta be.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 6: Mason Smith, McKinley, Jackson, those are two names that to mind, lsux.
Speaker 1: A and m So well, what rounds did they have
Speaker 1: to do for that?
Speaker 6: Mason Smith third, potentially McKinley. I think they can get
Speaker 6: him in on day day three, but I would worry
Speaker 6: that he would go in the fourth.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see, he'd be probably.
Speaker 6: Day three is kind of a it's a scatterboard, like
Speaker 6: there's guys that are getting fourth round grades that might
Speaker 6: not get drafted.
Speaker 7: I mean Day three is completely wide open this year.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that that break between round three and four
Speaker 4: this year, where you sleep on your board and you're
Speaker 4: going into day three is going to be the most
Speaker 4: stressful point of a lot of teams years.
Speaker 7: After the top it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Top one hundred is pretty stout, Like you've got
Speaker 4: starters at each position, and it's pretty even across the board.
Speaker 4: Then in some positions. Once day three starts, it just
Speaker 4: drops off. So it's gonna be really interesting to see
Speaker 4: how teams come bat That countdown has begun, Kyle, darn right,
Speaker 4: it has how many days?
Speaker 2: Right off the top of your.
Speaker 4: Head, twenty six, twenty three, twenty three days?
Speaker 7: Shout Jordan, just.
Speaker 2: Go there, you go. That's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 2: You're on talking Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Will be back on Tuesday, ten am Central to continue
Speaker 4: to talk down.
Speaker 2: We may start doing some like seven round mox or
Speaker 2: something in here. I want to get Isaiah's your next knowledge?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 7: What you climbing Mount Everest?
Speaker 2: No, definitely kill him and Jarrow's done.
Speaker 7: It looks like you got to wait back though. I'll
Speaker 7: tell you that day that you came back from you looked.
Speaker 7: I was concerned.
Speaker 2: Completed, I was concerned when you walked in wear an
Speaker 2: Oregon neon. But I mean it's fine.
Speaker 5: I mean being at you guys have them on the cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good time.
Speaker 5: Sorry, what with the French toast?
Speaker 2: Where are you going to be next week? You just
Speaker 2: you just out? I will be you know, on your vacation.
Speaker 5: That I would have to watch.
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