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Speaker 4: Touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda,

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Speaker 4: and Kyle Yeomans. It's an off season addition of Talking

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Speaker 4: Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're with us. We have the

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Speaker 4: full cast and crew back in the fold. That's right,

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Speaker 4: everybody's ready to roll. We've got Nick Harris, John Machoda,

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Speaker 4: Isaiah stand Back, Chris Beam in the back.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 5: Okay. We're doing No One.

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Speaker 6: And only doing well. My my headphones are low, so

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna take them off. But doing well, doing fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What you got right there? You got back here?

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Speaker 2: What is that that old thing right there? That thing?

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Speaker 5: I don't have one? Where's mine?

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Speaker 2: That's the official twenty four Dallas Cowboys Draft Guide. These

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Speaker 2: are the first copies printed.

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Speaker 4: They're not even available to the public yet I haven't

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Speaker 4: even coming soon. Yeah, Nick hadn't even had He wrote

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Speaker 4: a good chunk of this thing and he hasn't even

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Speaker 4: seen it yet.

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Speaker 5: I feel some type of way right now though there's

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Speaker 5: no Washington. There's an Organ guy on here, but not

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Speaker 5: a Washington guy.

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Speaker 2: That was a That was a that was a.

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Speaker 4: Conscious I know, but that was a conscious decision my

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Speaker 4: part to leave out watching.

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Speaker 7: Championship the first their runners up, but.

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Speaker 5: We beat We beat Organ in the Organ.

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Speaker 6: Won the center, in the in the country, Oregon was

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Speaker 6: the whole champion.

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Speaker 5: Is there player gonna get drafted before Washington player? Uh no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: we have twolayers wouldet drafted before him?

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Speaker 7: I was like, I was like, Fountain, maybe.

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Speaker 5: We have two players I was gonna get drafted before

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Speaker 5: Orgon guy.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what disappoints me about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, there's not an athletic logo on there.

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Speaker 8: That But like for ads like this where they have

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Speaker 8: dak huh, Like, how can't you have just Nick Harrison

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Speaker 8: some of these like.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just me on top of the plane.

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Speaker 8: All the work that he's put in here, you don't

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Speaker 8: have hold him holding some Canada drive.

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Speaker 5: Nick has a has a calendar coming out saying, oh no, I.

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Speaker 7: Would have had to boo me for a photo shoot. This,

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Speaker 7: that's I heard you on the read. I know you're

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Speaker 7: ready for it.

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Speaker 2: We've got to find a way to fit him.

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Speaker 4: Some sponsors going to pick him up. Maybe a black rifle,

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Speaker 4: take out a page ad.

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Speaker 5: Next, what would it take.

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Speaker 2: For you to have your calendar so fun calendar?

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Speaker 5: Yes, just a couple of dollars. Oh, shoot, I've heard

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Speaker 5: of that.

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Speaker 2: I would I will start to go, don't do that.

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Speaker 5: Do we get to pick the outfits? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Man, let's got to be right. I don't get excited.

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Speaker 7: The prices gotta be right.

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Speaker 2: What would the price be? Talk about it because you

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Speaker 2: have to give four numbers or five?

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Speaker 7: You have to give them. My agent might be six,

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Speaker 7: depending on the office.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know if we got that. We don't

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Speaker 5: have that kind of I can't raise that kind of bread.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: I've heard of it being a fantasy football punishment.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of that. It's a fantasy where

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Speaker 5: you do the.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the season, the last place UH

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Speaker 4: player in your fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: League has to do calendar shoot the body issue.

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Speaker 5: Yes, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Like and and everybody gets a copy.

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Speaker 5: We're doing this year fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: Your hands going to stand there for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'll do fantasy football, but I'm not doing it calendar.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just don't lose.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that how it works?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I said that last year and I ended up

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Speaker 8: So it sounds like somebody's never played fancy football because.

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Speaker 1: I have much luck involved with it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there is yeah here.

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Speaker 2: For those that are listening, my hand is extended and

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Speaker 2: looking at it. Right.

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Speaker 5: Surprise, oh surprise. Come on, man, we're gonna raise some funds.

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Speaker 5: Beamer wouldn't lose.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 5: In fact, exactly got that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to play against Beamer in anything, especially cornhole.

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Speaker 5: Somebody asked me about cornhole last week and I had

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Speaker 5: They were like, man, I do, but you're really good

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Speaker 5: at cornhole. I was like, actually, I am, actually relatively okay,

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Speaker 5: except for when I play against guys like Beamer. Because

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Speaker 5: Beamer destroyed me, made it seem like I was a

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Speaker 5: young boy and he was a Doug on Jedi night

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Speaker 7: This year, Beamers mister cornhole.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I I I take my hat off for him.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into some news and notes.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things going on and have been

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Speaker 4: going on around the Star in first go, mostly after

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Speaker 4: related nick Whenever you look at Dallas day thirty visits

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Speaker 4: starting this week, the big twelve Pro day was in town.

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to start with those?

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Speaker 6: Well, we can also start with owners meetings last week,

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Speaker 6: just kind of what wrapped up there in Orlando last week,

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Speaker 6: the new kickoff rule getting approved, which is it's fascinating

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Speaker 6: because they adopted it from the XFL. But then you

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Speaker 6: ended up going right back to the normal kickoff rules,

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Speaker 6: So it's kind of fascinating that they basically just swapped

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Speaker 7: But we'll see how that goes into play this next year.

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Speaker 6: Kickers are incentivized to kick it between the goal line

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Speaker 6: so that'll be an interesting adjustment for Brandon Aubrey and

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Speaker 6: But moving past off of owners meetings. Yeah, as you mentioned, Kyle,

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Speaker 6: thirty visits this week. Dallas Day was yesterday, Big twelve

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Speaker 7: A lot of things happening thirty visits.

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Speaker 6: Will have a little bit more on the Draft show

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Speaker 6: on that, but basically they're bringing in thirty of their

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Speaker 6: you know they want to talk with and meet with

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Speaker 6: of that. It's a really good opportunity for the team

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Speaker 6: to be able to meet with these guys and get

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Speaker 6: then after that it's it's all full steam ahead.

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Speaker 7: Into the draft.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 7: We're getting about three weeks away, which is crazy.

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Speaker 6: Kind of remember thirty visits, yeah, or Yeah, where did

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Speaker 6: you take yours?

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Speaker 5: I went to I went to Dallas.

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Speaker 7: To Seattle for like a local day.

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Speaker 5: He didn't go to Seattle. It was not in their

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Speaker 7: Did you feel the type of way?

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Speaker 5: But not even a little bit, not even a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I went to Dallas, I went to Saint Louis at

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Speaker 5: the time, I went to Jacksonville in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Okay, which one was your favorite?

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Speaker 5: just to fly back to Jacksonville. Yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 5: The one that I hated the most, I can tell

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Speaker 5: you that the one I hated the most was Miami

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Speaker 5: in rehab. And then they took a kicker. I think, wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they called me and woke me up as well. The

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Speaker 5: doing the first It was the first three rounds Day one,

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Speaker 5: and then it was four through seven Day two. Back

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Speaker 5: back in two thousand and seven when I got drafted

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Speaker 5: and they called and woke me up from my sleep

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Speaker 5: and then took a dog on a kicker I believe

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Speaker 5: it was or a pun.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was pretty angry so Miami I was that

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Speaker 5: was not a fan of Miami.

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Speaker 7: How long did that kicker make in the league.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna make it further than the mood.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know who was.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Who do they take in the in the fourth?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but we early I think I think that's what

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Speaker 8: the fourth if you done a by the Dolphins, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: they to take him in the third because you went

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Speaker 8: the fourth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went top and four.

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Speaker 1: Well the third only took Lorenzo Booker running back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, that was my top thirty.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 4: But they have these guys, these these position groups that

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Speaker 4: You know, hey, we're not going to trade up to

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Speaker 6: Kayleb Williams, would you waste a thirty visit on bringing

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Speaker 2: Sure I would.

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Speaker 7: If you're Callabiyas as an agent, would you show up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I would go to every single thirty visit that invited

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, Also, I hope that these agents are passing

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Speaker 2: That's the point of the thirty visit.

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Speaker 4: Right is to get to know these products or these prospects,

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Speaker 1: So do you guys feel that way?

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Speaker 8: Like you know, whether you're calling a game or you

448
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Speaker 8: know when you're doing I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Heck, even when you played in games, did.

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Speaker 5: You ever feel like cringe a lot of times?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the way I feel about.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, like the way you acted when when we brought

453
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Speaker 8: that the wrestling video, which I didn't think it was bad,

454
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Speaker 8: but you were like you didn't want to see it.

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Speaker 5: Bring it up again?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think I was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get that one.

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Speaker 6: I think to be more critical on you know what

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Speaker 6: I what I put forth, I want to be able

460
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Speaker 6: to have like a good understanding of it, because not

461
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Speaker 6: everyone hears your voice and thinks, oh, that's cringe.

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Speaker 7: It's only you that feels that way. So I just

463
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Speaker 7: took that out of my mind.

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Speaker 8: And there's like actors that say like they never watched,

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Speaker 8: never do movies, and that's why I could.

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Speaker 5: I don't like to, but I think it's necessary. And plus,

467
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Speaker 5: you know, like our coach, our coach that we have

468
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Speaker 5: is he's pretty anal when it comes to you know,

469
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Speaker 5: be on top of you, on top of your feedback.

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Speaker 5: So I have to watch that with with his perspective,

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Speaker 5: you know. So I try to take that and take

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Speaker 5: the wisdom from people who have been there, done that,

473
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Speaker 5: coach greats and look at it from their lens, because

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Speaker 5: if you don't, then you feel like you that you

475
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Speaker 5: know better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to know what Jerry Madelone would

477
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Speaker 4: say about that sentence.

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Speaker 2: The thing about going back and watching it is the.

479
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Speaker 4: I had a mentor very early on tell me, like,

480
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Speaker 4: you have to get over that because like for me specifically,

481
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Speaker 4: I call games in every sport and I kind of

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Speaker 4: go and do that a lot. I want to get

483
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Speaker 4: better at it. It's like watching film. This is kind

484
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Speaker 4: of the easy way to look at it. It may

485
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Speaker 4: not be good film and you may have to kind

486
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Speaker 4: of get.

487
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Speaker 2: Over it a little bit and put your pride aside.

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Speaker 4: But I've gotten into a rhythm where once or twice

489
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Speaker 4: a month I'll go back and watch a game and

490
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Speaker 4: it's entirely or watch a pregame or postgame show talking

491
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Speaker 4: Cowboys draft show in its entirety, and really like dissect

492
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Speaker 4: it and go into it. It's like you said, it's

493
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Speaker 4: tough at first to kind of get into it and

494
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Speaker 4: listen to your own voice. But at some point it

495
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Speaker 4: turns around. At some point it does, and now I

496
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Speaker 4: just listen to Isaiah's boys.

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Speaker 2: That's the best part about it.

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Speaker 4: All right, Let's talk about the elephant in the room, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: There's not an elephant actually in the room, I.

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Speaker 2: Say, sorry.

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Speaker 4: The fact that there has been zero movement from the

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Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys this offseason. The one outside signing has been

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Speaker 4: Eric Hendricks. You've seen all these guys leave at different

504
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Speaker 4: points throughout the off season, like a Tyron Smith and

505
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Speaker 4: Doornce Armstrong's so on and so forth.

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Speaker 2: I can name all of them, but I'm got his valor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So why, I mean, that's kind of the number

508
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Speaker 4: one concern right now of teams right now, or of

509
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Speaker 4: fans I should say right now about this Dallas Cowboys team.

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Speaker 7: Why it's a concern stemming I'll dive into it.

511
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Speaker 6: The concern stemming from from upstairs is that if signing

512
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Speaker 6: anybody this go around, whether it be in free agency

513
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Speaker 6: or you know, extending anybody out of this point or

514
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Speaker 6: restructuring anything, you're pushing money along in those voidable years,

515
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Speaker 6: and the cash that you would spend now, you're pushing

516
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Speaker 6: those that money into avoidable years where they feel like

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Speaker 6: they're going to have restricting cap situations in twenty twenty five,

518
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Speaker 6: twenty two, six, et cetera. Not as much a twenty six.

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Speaker 6: It's more so a twenty five problem. That is the

520
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Speaker 6: understanding from upstairs. I'm trying to communicate that clearly because

521
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Speaker 6: there is a clear disconnect between Twitter and upstairs as

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Speaker 6: far as what the cap situation exactly looks like.

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Speaker 7: I am the messenger, who not kill the messenger.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing we're not selling hope by telling

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Speaker 4: exact facts. That's not what we're trying to do here.

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Speaker 4: It's unfortunate they haven't signed players yet, they haven't retained

527
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Speaker 4: some good talent like an armstrong I mean a be honist.

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Speaker 4: You don't have a starting center right now, so I'll

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Speaker 4: throw him in the mix. Left tackle Tyron Smith.

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Speaker 2: I think you can.

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Speaker 4: Fix that by the draft, yeah, and you can fix

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Speaker 4: that by replacing free agents at some point.

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Speaker 2: But when you don't have money to spend, you don't

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Speaker 2: have money to spend.

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Speaker 6: And I think this term meteoric whenever Jonathan Hankins left

536
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Speaker 6: and his contract was basically nothing, and the fans.

537
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Speaker 7: Were like, Okay, we can't afford that.

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Speaker 6: So it's I think that's where most of this frustration

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Speaker 6: had stemmed around. I don't think Hankins was a situation

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Speaker 6: where they couldn't afford him, though. I think it was

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Speaker 6: a situation where he wanted to go play for dirty

542
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Speaker 6: and get back and that's on the West Coast. I

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Speaker 6: think that's that's what I believe as far as Hankins goes.

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Speaker 6: But I haven't talked to the man, so I don't

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Speaker 6: know that one hundred percent. But I don't think it

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Speaker 6: was one hundred percent financial. But I mean, you look

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Speaker 6: at the other situations and the guys that they have

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Speaker 6: resigned and the dollar amounts that they've resigned them for

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Speaker 6: the outside free agents that have gone on and signed

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Speaker 6: for you know, low dollar amounts as well. I think

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Speaker 6: you can fully expect that this team is just looking

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Speaker 6: forward to the draft and trying to address needs in

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Speaker 6: the draft. And I think post June one, you'll probably

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Speaker 6: see that free agent you know, swing that you see

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Speaker 6: in the summer. I think they'll be a little bit

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Speaker 6: more active in that, just trying to fill up the team.

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Speaker 6: But if you're looking for a big name like you know,

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Speaker 6: Derrick Henry going into the off season or anything like that,

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Speaker 6: I don't really know what you were expecting to be honest,

560
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Speaker 6: because if signing a guy like that, let's just let's

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Speaker 6: take money out of the equation. It's a thirty year

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Speaker 6: old coming into a running back room where they are

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Speaker 6: trying to improve and have a little bit more youth

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Speaker 6: in that room as well. They're going to go draft

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Speaker 6: a guy and they're expecting that guy to be able

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Speaker 6: to step up and beat RB one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that running back room.

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Speaker 6: I don't think anyone would be confident in anybody in

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Speaker 6: that room being RB one right now and being able

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Speaker 6: to carry on that load. So you go get a

571
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Speaker 6: Jonathan Brooks, you go get a Trey Benson, et cetera,

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Speaker 6: et cetera. That's what they need in that room. That's

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Speaker 6: just one example, but I think that can kind of

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Speaker 6: go on both sides of the ball well.

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Speaker 4: And I think you bring up a great point of

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Speaker 4: there's still time to address needs. It just hasn't happened yet,

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Speaker 4: because you have to feel the team, I mean, pure

578
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Speaker 4: and simple. You've got to you've got to put together

579
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Speaker 4: your draft picks, which you don't.

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Speaker 2: Have a boatload of.

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Speaker 4: You've got a normal amount with seven, but you don't

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Speaker 4: you don't have the money to go out there and

583
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Speaker 4: sign all these guys that you would want to sign

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Speaker 4: at some point. And I've heard this analogy from throughout

585
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Speaker 4: the building, but it's like spending on a credit card,

586
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Speaker 4: and that credit card at some point, whenever you kick

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Speaker 4: contracts down the road, whether it be Dak Zach Martin, Tyr,

588
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Speaker 4: Tyron Smith, Terrence Steele, you're pushing this money further and

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Speaker 4: further away, but at some point it will come back

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Speaker 4: and hit the cap. And I think a big misconception

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Speaker 4: a lot on the way is that cash doesn't count

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Speaker 4: toward the cap.

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Speaker 2: That's wrong.

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Speaker 4: At some point, every single dollar that's given as a

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Speaker 4: cash offer or a signing bonus or whatever that ends

596
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Speaker 4: up being. That money will at some point hit the cap.

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Speaker 4: It's just whether of win it will hit the cap.

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Speaker 4: And so whenever you're saying, oh, that money's all gone,

599
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Speaker 4: that forty million that you gave the deck as a

600
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Speaker 4: signing bonus, that's just not going to ever hit. It's

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Speaker 4: going to hit. And that's part of it is it's

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Speaker 4: all kind of hitting at this point in time. So

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Speaker 4: you've spent the credit card, you've swiped it. You fielded

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Speaker 4: a team over the last couple of years. You struck

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Speaker 4: out in the playoffs, which is unfortunate and fortunate, but

606
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Speaker 4: you won twelve games in each of the last three years.

607
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Speaker 4: You got to find a way to fill the team

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four then continue to push on.

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Speaker 2: That window down the line. That's what they're trying to

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Speaker 2: do right now.

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Speaker 5: They're doing hard stuff right now, and this is where

612
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Speaker 5: this organization is at. You know, you guys have laid

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Speaker 5: out some great examples. You just laid it out and

614
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Speaker 5: make in terms of where these guys are at situationally.

615
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Speaker 5: But the reality is they have to watch their friends

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Speaker 5: go go on vacations right now, and they don't have

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Speaker 5: bread to do it. And that's that's where I don't

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Speaker 5: know if everybody's ever been in that position before.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, you spent you spent your bread.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Like you might have you

621
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Speaker 5: might have got a nice car, you might have got

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Speaker 5: you know, a nice house or whatever it might be. Yeah,

623
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Speaker 5: three kids popped out of nowhere. Yeah. But then but then,

624
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Speaker 5: like all your friends are like, hey, we're about to go,

625
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Speaker 5: We're about to go to Europe. You want to come,

626
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Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, the way my bank accounts set up

627
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Speaker 5: right now, I just can't do that. So you got

628
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Speaker 5: to sit back and you got to watch them go

629
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Speaker 5: have fun, and you just got to trust and believe

630
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Speaker 5: in your process and say, Okay, next year, this time around,

631
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Speaker 5: I'll be in a better position to be able to

632
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Speaker 5: go do the things that I want to do.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go join Perry Church on the skiing and

634
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Speaker 4: gonna make it happen, you know.

635
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Speaker 5: What I'm saying.

636
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Speaker 2: So, like that's where they're at.

637
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Speaker 5: They're making grown up decisions right now, and and it sucks,

638
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Speaker 5: and nobody likes not being able to do what you

639
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Speaker 5: want to do. But at some point in time. You

640
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Speaker 5: have to be an adult about it. You have to

641
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Speaker 5: be responsible, and you have to do the things that

642
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Speaker 5: are absolutely necessary to put you in a position in

643
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Speaker 5: the future. Otherwise you keep digging a bigger hole.

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Speaker 8: And so from the fans standpoint, I understand their frustration

645
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Speaker 8: because of one Jerry repeatedly saying the all in thing,

646
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Speaker 8: which made everything worse to begin with. The Other part

647
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Speaker 8: is that you see the salary cap go up thirty million,

648
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Speaker 8: and you just assume, well, yeah, business is boom in

649
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Speaker 8: the NFL. It's just going to keep going up like that.

650
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Speaker 8: I don't get the sense of the cowboys feel like

651
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Speaker 8: that's going to continue to happen. So they are projecting

652
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Speaker 8: out like looking into the future, as you mentioned, you know,

653
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Speaker 8: so you've got to factor that in.

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Speaker 4: The number that we were told was ten million over

655
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Speaker 4: the next three years is what it would rise from

656
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Speaker 4: what it is right now. So it took us step

657
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Speaker 4: up and then it's going to even out. It'll still

658
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Speaker 4: go up because it's the NFL. But if you look

659
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Speaker 4: at sky Rocket that it was his passed off.

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Speaker 6: If you look at pre pandemic era of salary cap jump,

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Speaker 6: it's typically about seven percent, and that would equate to

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Speaker 6: about sixteen million.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 8: So that's part of it. And then the other thing

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Speaker 8: is is that it's it's told to us that this

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Speaker 8: is being done so that they can be sure that

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Speaker 8: they're able to re sign dak CD and Micah and

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Speaker 8: then none of that stuff's happening.

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Speaker 1: But then there's even this.

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Speaker 8: Even if it does happen or it was happening right

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Speaker 8: now and those guys are getting resigned, there's if you're

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Speaker 8: a fan, there's a party that is looking at it like, well, yeah,

673
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Speaker 8: we already have those we want more stuff. That stuff

674
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 8: wasn't good enough for us to even beat the packers.

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Speaker 8: You know, if those three guys that you're paying are

676
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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, You're just like, yeah, no, no,

677
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Speaker 8: I understand. We're not gonna be able to keep you know,

678
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Speaker 8: all of our DB's and we're gonna have to make

679
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Speaker 8: some moves and stuff like that. We're gonna lose the

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Speaker 8: Tyreek Hill, but then we're gonna go on and we're

681
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Speaker 8: gonna keep playing in super Bowls. And so you're not

682
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Speaker 8: getting any closer to Super Bowls and you're not getting

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Speaker 8: any additional players. So my big thing on this is

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Speaker 8: it's like, it's got to be tough for a fan

685
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Speaker 8: because on paper, your team is not gonna be better

686
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Speaker 8: next year than was this previous year, and this previous

687
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Speaker 8: year it wasn't good enough to get over the hump either,

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Speaker 8: And so it's like, well, if you're not adding any

689
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Speaker 8: new pieces, then what am I supposed to hope for?

690
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Speaker 8: Where am I supposed to get excited about this team

691
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Speaker 8: going in the next season? And that's why I kind

692
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Speaker 8: of compare it to I wrote today about what Mike

693
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Speaker 8: McCarthy said last week. I compare it to twenty fourteen

694
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Speaker 8: and twenty sixteen. Those were really good years for the Cowboys,

695
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Speaker 8: but those are years going into them where the expectations

696
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 8: have been had been lowered, you know. I mean Jerry

697
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 8: said in that twenty fourteen in training camp that it

698
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Speaker 8: was gonna be an uphill battle. And that's a wild

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Speaker 8: coming from a Jerry Jones who never talks like that

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Speaker 8: at training camp.

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Speaker 1: It's usually very positive.

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Speaker 8: Whatever, and what do they do in twenty fourteen The

703
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 8: end up having a great season, and then in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 8: you know, they're coming off of Romo's hurt in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 8: they only win four games, So you're sitting there like,

706
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Speaker 8: all right, well this will be the year because and

707
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 8: then Romo goes down in the preseason and you're just like, oh,

708
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Speaker 8: they're gonna They're gonna rely in this fourth round pick.

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Speaker 8: And they end up winning thirteen games to get the

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Speaker 8: one seed. And so when expectations have been lowered, the

711
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 8: Cowboys have respound. Now they still haven't made a deep

712
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 8: playoff run, and that's ultimately what this crew is going

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Speaker 8: to be decided on.

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Speaker 1: But I get both sides of it.

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Speaker 8: The only issue is, though, is like when you talk

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Speaker 8: about like taking it to Twitter, it just gets like

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Speaker 8: kind of dark and just the way I don't know

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Speaker 8: the back and worth with people, it just gets so

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Speaker 8: negative that it, like, for example, for myself, like I

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Speaker 8: don't even like getting involved with it, just because there's

721
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Speaker 8: just you can have ten good interactions and then three

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Speaker 8: just super negative ones to where you're just like, I'm

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Speaker 8: not doing this anymore, Like I'm not getting paid any

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Speaker 8: extra to do this thing, Like why am I taking

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Speaker 8: my time out of the day so people are going

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Speaker 8: to take shots at me and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 8: I totally I'm on the side of sometimes you just

728
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Speaker 8: got to take a step back from doing all that

729
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Speaker 8: stuff too.

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Speaker 4: So, like you said, there's two sides to it. There's

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Speaker 4: the side of it that's the frustrated fan.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. I grew up a Cowboys fan.

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Speaker 2: I want to see this team win just as much

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Speaker 2: as anybody.

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Speaker 4: On the other side, there's the business element of the

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Speaker 4: NFL and the salary cap. Jerry Jones has said it

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Speaker 4: before it and I believe him in this matter because

738
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Speaker 4: I see what he does around the building.

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Speaker 2: If he didn't have a.

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Speaker 4: Salary cap, he would pay for a team that would

741
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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl every year. It would he would

742
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Speaker 4: New York Yankees this thing more than anybody because the.

743
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Speaker 2: Yankees don't have a salary cap.

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Speaker 4: He would be the Dallas Cowboys without a salary cap

745
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Speaker 4: as well. I believe that he wants to win as

746
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Speaker 4: bad as anybody.

747
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Speaker 8: The longer I cover the team, I doubt that a

748
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 8: little bit more each year that goes by.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know why why do you doubt it?

750
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what. I don't know if

751
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Speaker 2: you're going to get in.

752
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: But no, no, it's fine.

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Speaker 8: I just think that there's certain areas where uh coaching

754
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 8: staff for example, there's no salary cap on coaching staff, no, Like,

755
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Speaker 8: so how come they don't just go out and you're

756
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 8: just always like, oh yeah, well the cow would just

757
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 8: spend whatever and they just get like, you know, they

758
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 8: literally have like the the da Alls Cowboys, how much

759
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 8: they're worth. They literally every time you like every time

760
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Speaker 8: you look at their staff, best wide receiver coach, best

761
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 8: running back coach, best I mean, you see it in college.

762
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Speaker 8: You see it all the time in college, the big

763
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 8: money teams, the Alabamas and stuff like that.

764
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Speaker 1: The Georgia's they're not, they're not.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they bring up Now their staffs are are a

766
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Speaker 8: little bit different because there's a lot of gas and

767
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Speaker 8: things like that. But like they're just like little things

768
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 8: like that. The longer I cover the team and like,

769
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Speaker 8: is it really exhausting every single last dollar?

770
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Speaker 2: Maybe, well who would you go get in that element?

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Speaker 4: I mean you went and got Mike McCarthy, who at

772
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Speaker 4: the time, I mean we're five years down the road now.

773
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Speaker 4: At the time, he was one of the few Super

774
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Speaker 4: Bowl active head coaches in the NFL that had been

775
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Speaker 4: to the mountaintop and done it. I know, it's been

776
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Speaker 4: a long time, trust me, but he was one of

777
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Speaker 4: them that had done it. Other than that, what are

778
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Speaker 4: you going to get. You're going to get John Harball,

779
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Speaker 4: You're going to get Mike Tomlin, You're going to get

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. Even right now, I don't think Bill Belichick

781
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Speaker 4: is a better higher than what Mike McCarthy has done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's elements to it.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, and you could spend on maybe

784
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Speaker 4: position coaches, but I don't think we've had a problem

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Speaker 4: with any of the position coaches along the way, And

786
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Speaker 4: if we have, we've I mean it's been a quick thing.

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Speaker 5: I just.

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Speaker 8: Because even that individual like the Dallas Cowboys coaching staff

789
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Speaker 8: is not like one of the highest paid coaching staffs,

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Speaker 8: and sure like you would assume with everything with the

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Speaker 8: Dallas but you would assume like, no, no, this is

792
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Speaker 8: every every single part of this best best beast. Like

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Speaker 8: you know, when those NFLPA surveys come out, every single

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Speaker 8: thing would be best best it's the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: You have every single thing.

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Speaker 2: So it's a good point.

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Speaker 1: I don't know there is. I mean, there's kind of

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Speaker 1: team I believe me.

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Speaker 8: There was a lot of times where I used to

800
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Speaker 8: argue with people, other reporters and things like that, saying

801
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Speaker 8: that like, oh, Jerry doesn't care about winning. Whatever hell

802
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 8: he cares about is the money. And I'm like, well,

803
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Speaker 8: if you win big that nothing's going to bring in

804
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Speaker 8: more money than that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't doubt. I'm just saying that, I don't

806
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Speaker 1: doubt one hundred percent what you're saying.

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Speaker 8: I just saying every year I cover the team, the

808
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Speaker 8: more and more I'm just kind of gives that really

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Speaker 8: the case.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, Yeah, there's elements to it, there's levels to it,

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Speaker 4: and we've seen that along the way, and I think

812
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Speaker 4: this off season brings a little bit of all of

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Speaker 4: those elements out. So everybody has an opinion over a

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Speaker 4: certain area or aspect of this team, and it's going

815
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Speaker 4: to continue to grow as the off season goes along,

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Speaker 4: which is why we'll be here as we continue.

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Speaker 5: To talk about it.

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Speaker 4: all right, would you ever return to a team.

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Speaker 2: That let you walk in free agency?

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Speaker 4: Would you ever come back? If if the time and

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Speaker 4: the place was right?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Would you ever do it?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, especially if the options that I was looking at

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Speaker 6: whenever that team did leave me, leave me into the

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Speaker 6: free agency pool were abundant.

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Speaker 4: I'll say that, yeah, would you if you were the

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Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys, welcome Ezekiel.

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Speaker 2: Elliott back into the fold? Yes, as a part of

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Speaker 2: this team.

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Why.

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Speaker 5: I think that he was a foundational pillar. I think

884
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: he was an exemplary player for this organization. I think

885
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: that way he provided this team can't be forgotten. I

886
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: think he's still productive. I think that's probably the more

887
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: important thing at this point in regards to where he

888
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 5: would be valuable to this team. Red zone blocking. Obviously,

889
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 5: you still need a piece that would coincide with him.

890
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: But I think if you're going to carry, you know,

891
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 5: three solid backs on this roster. I think that he

892
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: could still provide value for you, depending on the guy

893
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: that you that you end up getting in the draft.

894
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 4: Okay, so he would be the tandem back. I mean

895
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: that's kind of the expectation. He's not gonna be RB one.

896
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: He's gonna be paid like a backup running back, and

897
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: then he would be the guy to mentored this next generation.

898
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: Would you do it?

899
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 5: Would you bring him back?

900
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 6: You mentioned everything that he does well blocking, you have

901
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 6: that in the running back room, red zone presence, you

902
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 6: don't have that, but you can go get that in

903
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 6: the draft. I struggle with throwing Ezekiel Elliott into that

904
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: running back room when the defensive tackle position only has

905
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 6: one body in it right now, when the linebacker corp

906
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: could really use an extra body or two, the safety

907
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 6: unit arguably could use an extra body or two.

908
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 7: Corner as well. I mean, you can look all around

909
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 7: the team.

910
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 6: I just I feel like the can go draft a

911
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 6: running back, pair him with freeco Daoudle Duce, Vaughan Hunter

912
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 6: Lipkey in that room and just see what tandem works best.

913
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 7: I don't.

914
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 6: I think I think the running back room issues from

915
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 6: last year would not have been solved with Ezekiel Elliott.

916
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 7: So I don't. I don't think there's necessarily a huge value.

917
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 6: But if you get him on a veteran minimum he

918
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 6: wants to come in and he understands that he'd be

919
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 6: competing for a job, not that he would have one,

920
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 6: then sure, yeah, that's fine.

921
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 5: That's that's the mindset that I have. I'm not saying

922
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 5: just bring him in and hand him the job. But

923
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: I'm not. As much as I love duce Vaughan, I'm

924
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: not confident that he'll be on this roster by the

925
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 5: end of training camp.

926
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: That's just being he's gonna have to show out.

927
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: He's going to show out on offense and special teams yep.

928
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: And unfortunately his size has had an impact on his

929
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 5: ability to be effective in both of those regards to date.

930
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: Now his ability is just how effective he's been. So

931
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: that's a reality. That's been his reality his entire life,

932
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 5: and that's the situation he finds himself in. He has

933
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 5: to find a way. He always has up to date,

934
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: but he has he's gonna have to prove that. And

935
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: for those reasons, I don't see. I don't I don't

936
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 5: have a crystal ball, but I don't foresee him having

937
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: enough of an impact from what I've the evidence that

938
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 5: I have on film in the league for him to

939
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 5: be on this roster. So because of that, I think

940
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: that you bring in another Zeke, and whether you put

941
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 5: him at two or three, I don't freaking care. Right,

942
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: you bring him in. He has wisdom, right, and then

943
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 5: you still have to get your guy in the draft, I.

944
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 6: Will say, and I know it's not it's it's not

945
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 6: comparing apples and apples, But Darrence Rolls had a very

946
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: similar rookie season and it kind of took him a

947
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 6: year to be able to figure out how to use

948
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 6: his body and then he got hurt and he was

949
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: lucky he would not have a league in the first

950
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 6: two three years.

951
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 7: So there's still hope there.

952
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 6: I think produced fun and I think these new kickoff

953
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 6: roles kind of give him an opportunity to be able

954
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 6: to see what he can do with uh, you know,

955
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 6: the return game as well.

956
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 8: So yeah, I would be fine with with Zeke coming back,

957
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 8: depending on what they do in the draft. But if

958
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 8: you're using a second or third round pick, you know,

959
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 8: on a on a on a back.

960
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: I expect that to be your guy. That's the guy

961
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: that you need to be. Uh, give the majority of

962
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: the touches too.

963
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 8: But if they don't, because I thought that was gonna

964
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 8: happen last year, to be honest with you, when they

965
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 8: part of ways with Zeke, I thought they would draft

966
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 8: a running back second, third, fourth round.

967
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that didn't happen.

968
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: And so if let's say that happens again this year's draft,

969
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 8: where you know, in the second round, just the right

970
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 8: guy isn't there for the value and they go another route,

971
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 8: and then the third just isn't the right guy for

972
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 8: the value.

973
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: Whatever.

974
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 8: Next thing, you know, you're not getting a running back

975
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 8: to the fifth or sixth round. I could be interested

976
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 8: in the Zeke return that, but like right now, I

977
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 8: don't think it makes any It doesn't make any sense.

978
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 8: And that's not just Zeke, it's just really any running

979
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 8: back in general.

980
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Dalvin Cook, whatever.

981
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: And I like the point that Nick brought up to

982
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: about there are other positions to be addressed right now,

983
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: and running back is so deep in this draft class.

984
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: I mean we can I mean I'll open up this

985
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: Dallas Star Magazine draft guide, Uh yeah, and just look

986
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: at some of these guys.

987
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's see, uh.

988
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: Jalen Wright out of Tennessee, Jonathan Brooks Texas, Trey Benson,

989
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: Bucky Irving, Blake or I mean, you've got options in

990
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: the upcoming draft. That's that's where you find your running

991
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 4: back talent. But when it comes to veterans in a

992
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: specific position, I would rather have them at linebacker. I

993
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: would rather have them at defensive tackle safety, even if

994
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: there's a possibility. I know you've got veterans of safety now,

995
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: but you need you need extra rotation there too. So

996
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 4: let let the draft play out first and then we

997
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: can talk about it. Is kind of where I'm at

998
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: as well.

999
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 6: I agree, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a very

1000
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 6: similar situation where it's a big talking point all the

1001
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 6: way up until training camp, over in the first couple

1002
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 6: of weeks of training camp, and then they sign somebody.

1003
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 8: But if they take a running back in the second

1004
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 8: or third round, I don't think it'll be a talking

1005
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 8: point for the Cowboys.

1006
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 7: I really I hope not.

1007
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 5: But like Ken, they don't, you know what I'm saying,

1008
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: With the holes that they have, can you take a

1009
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: running back that early? That's my question.

1010
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 8: If you're Mike McCarthy and this is your second year

1011
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 8: of calling the offense and you think it's going to

1012
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 8: make that much of a difference in your offense that

1013
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 8: particular player, then yeah, I could see him doing it.

1014
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, offensive line, running back, defensive tackle for three rounds?

1015
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 7: Where do you have the issue.

1016
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: The tackle? I feel like there's more running backs available

1017
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: than these tackles to play that Zimmer I feel like,

1018
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: and I agree with you, what you need. You can't

1019
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: even say that's a bigger need.

1020
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 8: But in terms of value, like the chances of that

1021
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 8: running back coming in and making a media impact, and

1022
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 8: the defensive tackle to me, aren't even in the same neighborhood.

1023
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 8: It's not even close. Like, what are you getting from

1024
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 8: that defensive tackle in year one?

1025
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 5: They better get a lot In the Zimmer system, I

1026
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: think you have. You have to in his system. You

1027
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 5: have you cannot have an undersized interior defensiveignment in his system.

1028
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Were not even one. He was, he was your first

1029
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: round pick.

1030
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 5: He can't be the guy now in his current size.

1031
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't where he's that.

1032
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him since the offseason started, but based

1033
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: upon where he ended last year, he at that size

1034
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 5: is ineffective. In a Zimmer system, defensive tackle is so

1035
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: much tougher to come in and be pro rreg thought,

1036
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 5: which is why I say, can you afford you have

1037
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 5: two offensive line positions that have to be filled. Now

1038
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: you can easily say, okay, yeah, we have some guys

1039
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: that you know, Hoffman and things of that nature that

1040
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: we hope are going to come in and field the void.

1041
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 8: But I think the hope I think the defensive tackle

1042
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 8: will be addressed with some type of a veteran player.

1043
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 8: I don't whether it be a trade, how they got Hankins, whatever,

1044
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 8: there's gonna be something that happens there.

1045
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: I do not see them relying.

1046
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 8: On, oh well, we better take it a defensive tackle

1047
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 8: in the first two rounds to pair with Mazi and Osa.

1048
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: I just don't see that happen.

1049
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 8: I think they need a veteran guy who And when

1050
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 8: I say that, it's not gonna be somebody when the

1051
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 8: move happens and everyone's gonna be like, oh, this fixes everything, yeah,

1052
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 8: just like no one was really acting but when they

1053
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 8: got Hankins. But it's gonna have to be a veteran

1054
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 8: that's like Ben around the game who it's not gonna

1055
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 8: be somebody that gets six seven sacks.

1056
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be.

1057
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 8: But they're gonna be just a solid player in the

1058
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: middle that that Zimmer likes.

1059
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen.

1060
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: Three thirty plus.

1061
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, big, yeah, big body in there that's a.

1062
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: Beef gotta be big beef gotta be.

1063
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does.

1064
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: Mason Smith, McKinley, Jackson, those are two names that to mind, lsux.

1065
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: A and m So well, what rounds did they have

1066
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: to do for that?

1067
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 6: Mason Smith third, potentially McKinley. I think they can get

1068
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 6: him in on day day three, but I would worry

1069
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 6: that he would go in the fourth.

1070
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see, he'd be probably.

1071
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 6: Day three is kind of a it's a scatterboard, like

1072
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 6: there's guys that are getting fourth round grades that might

1073
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 6: not get drafted.

1074
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 7: I mean Day three is completely wide open this year.

1075
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 4: So yeah, that that break between round three and four

1076
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: this year, where you sleep on your board and you're

1077
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: going into day three is going to be the most

1078
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: stressful point of a lot of teams years.

1079
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 7: After the top it's gonna be.

1080
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Top one hundred is pretty stout, Like you've got

1081
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: starters at each position, and it's pretty even across the board.

1082
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: Then in some positions. Once day three starts, it just

1083
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: drops off. So it's gonna be really interesting to see

1084
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 4: how teams come bat That countdown has begun, Kyle, darn right,

1085
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: it has how many days?

1086
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: Right off the top of your.

1087
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: Head, twenty six, twenty three, twenty three days?

1088
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 7: Shout Jordan, just.

1089
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: Go there, you go. That's gonna do it for us.

1090
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: You're on talking Cowboys.

1091
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: Will be back on Tuesday, ten am Central to continue

1092
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: to talk down.

1093
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: We may start doing some like seven round mox or

1094
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: something in here. I want to get Isaiah's your next knowledge?

1095
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 5: What do you do?

1096
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 7: What you climbing Mount Everest?

1097
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: No, definitely kill him and Jarrow's done.

1098
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 7: It looks like you got to wait back though. I'll

1099
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 7: tell you that day that you came back from you looked.

1100
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 7: I was concerned.

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Speaker 2: Completed, I was concerned when you walked in wear an

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Speaker 5: I mean being at you guys have them on the cover.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good time.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, what with the French toast?

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Speaker 2: Where are you going to be next week? You just

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Speaker 2: you just out? I will be you know, on your vacation.

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Speaker 5: That I would have to watch.

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Speaker 1: Will be in l a Yeah, put your business on

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Speaker 1: the street.

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Speaker 5: I'll be in La La Land, La La Land. We'll

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Speaker 5: have fun representing the boys and some and form.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow, all I mean tuesday.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back tuesday, all right for Chris be and

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Speaker 4: Isaiah stand back John and showed to Nike care some

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Speaker 4: Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: We will see you next week. This has been a

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