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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube. Um, have you ever written content that

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Speaker 1: featured experimental or wishful technology tactics or viewpoints that you

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Speaker 1: threw at the wall to see what sticks or maybe

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Speaker 1: for direct indirect feedback. Yeah, that's a great question. Way

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Speaker 1: back in the previous series, I was writing the threat

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Speaker 1: series road Threat, I was reading about nanotechnology swarming as

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Speaker 1: through the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency and and and

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Speaker 1: there was no such thing at the time. It was

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Speaker 1: just this concept and it turns out that you know,

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Speaker 1: besieged and even direct fire apply some of that because

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Speaker 1: it's real, live technology today, and you know, some of

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Speaker 1: some of the cyber warfare concepts and direct fire right

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Speaker 1: now push the limits. But you know, all the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote hackers that I talked to said this is entirely possible,

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Speaker 1: and this could be done. And so as you think

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Speaker 1: of it and you think, well, there's no way that

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Speaker 1: that could possibly happen, then then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: you talk to an expert and they say, well, actually

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Speaker 1: that's happening or that's about to happen. And and so

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Speaker 1: it's you're the mind. If your mind is thinking of it,

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Speaker 1: somebody somebody's thought of it, right, And no matter how

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Speaker 1: creative you are, you know, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there, a lot of smart people out there that

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Speaker 1: are thinking their way through some of these things and

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Speaker 1: and trying to figure out, you know, solutions to problems

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Speaker 1: and trying to figure out how to exploit systems. And

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Speaker 1: and that's why when we think we'll look at cyber

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Speaker 1: warfare and direct fire and that kind of thing with

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Speaker 1: China and even Iran, you know, who would have thought

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Speaker 1: Iran was a leading cyber warfare expert and North Korea

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Speaker 1: stealing you know, about fifty gigs of a war plan

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Speaker 1: from South Korea. They did that, and so now that

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Speaker 1: that's you know, about six months ago there was an

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Speaker 1: assassination plan and all that that North Korea allegedly took

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Speaker 1: from the South Korean servers, How are they getting into

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Speaker 1: the some of these most secure servers and and so

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Speaker 1: that's one of the areas that I push on in

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Speaker 1: direct fire with cyber warfare and everything that is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be secure. These you know, you know this and

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Speaker 1: the hackers say, there's really nothing that you can't get into,

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Speaker 1: and what's learning that every day? Which is pretty scary, right, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And you know that's actually a nice segue into a

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Speaker 1: few different things. Um. Wiki weeks we heard about Juliana

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Speaker 1: Sange being banned on Twitter. We'll get into that. Keep

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Speaker 1: the questions coming, whether you're on Facebook or YouTube. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to what we can. We have a lot of

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Speaker 1: great feedback, but uh, there's many questions. So if you

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Speaker 1: have any questions, just throw them out there. If they're good,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Um getting into some some current

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Speaker 1: events though you were mentioning the North Korea stuff. What

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Speaker 1: needs to be done with North Korea from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: because some people are saying, we can no longer have diplomacy,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we don't want to be thrown into

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Speaker 1: a whole another war over this end um kind of

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Speaker 1: a follow up, do you think North Korea is truly

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Speaker 1: a threat to the United States or just a threat

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Speaker 1: to our allies like Japan. I think they're a threat

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Speaker 1: to the United States into our allies. That you have

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Speaker 1: to look at both intent and capability. And let's take

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Speaker 1: Pakistan for example. They have the capability of nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 1: but they don't have a leader saying I'm gonna now

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Speaker 1: the United States, Uh, India, same thing. And and to

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Speaker 1: an extent, China and Russia they they have the weapons.

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Speaker 1: Now you know, different scenario there because they have more

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Speaker 1: and there's mutual shared destruction and and all that, which

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Speaker 1: is what Korea wants. They want mutual shared destruction. They

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Speaker 1: wanted that status and and so uh for for me,

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Speaker 1: when I look at the situation with North Korea, I

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Speaker 1: see the current administration effectively applying the elements of national

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Speaker 1: power to address the issue that has been kicked down

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Speaker 1: the road, and I think that we can no longer

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Speaker 1: kick this down the road because President Obama's national security

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Speaker 1: strategy said we wanted a rules based international order, which

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Speaker 1: and also a UH, they wanted to stop nuclear proliferation,

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Speaker 1: so that both pillars of that national security strategy. It's

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Speaker 1: against the international law to create nuclear weapons if you're

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Speaker 1: not a nuclear state. And so North Korea is violating

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Speaker 1: international law, and they're also violating our precept of a

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Speaker 1: UH stopping proliferation of weapons mass destruction. We didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything out it. Then we didn't do anything about it

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Speaker 1: on the Bush administration, and and then the Clinton Perry

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Speaker 1: deal back in UH is just like the Iran deal

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Speaker 1: that was done by the Obama administration. So we see

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Speaker 1: where that got us with North Korea. So we can

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Speaker 1: look twenty years down the road and see where we

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Speaker 1: might be with Iran now haven't said all of that.

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Speaker 1: There's diplomatic power, information power, military power, economic power. And

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Speaker 1: so we just had a third fifteen OH vote for

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Speaker 1: increased sanctions, and I think we're leaving ourselves with each

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Speaker 1: set of sanctions, a little bit of runway to do

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Speaker 1: a little bit more to keep the negotiations going. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's a smart move. We're applying military power

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Speaker 1: through shows of force what we call flexible response or

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Speaker 1: deterrent options, where we fly some B one bombers, we

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Speaker 1: do military exercise on the Korean peninsula. I've been involved

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Speaker 1: in those exercises. I've been in the d m Z.

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Speaker 1: I know how tense to sit suation is up there.

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Speaker 1: I was in the DMC as a general, I was

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Speaker 1: in the DMZ as a lieutenant and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: And so uh and which is, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: We've talked about four because uh, our editor in chief,

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Speaker 1: Jack Murphy has been there just as a journalist. But

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Speaker 1: back to what you're saying, Yeah, so so there's that.

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Speaker 1: But you've got Nicki Haley leading the diplomatic effort, and

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Speaker 1: but when they when they do, they'll typically abstain, they

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Speaker 1: and that's herculean work by this administration to get that

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Speaker 1: that's a huge diplomatic coup. And when now, what is

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Speaker 1: what are Russia and China doing on the ground. That's

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Speaker 1: a whole different issue. A year ago January through March,

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Speaker 1: first quarter of seventeen, China was a net had a

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Speaker 1: net increase in trade with North Korea. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: supposedly they've torked that back, but Russia has been making

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Speaker 1: up for a little bit. Now. These new sanctions go

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Speaker 1: after oil ship to ship, oil transfers and and things

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Speaker 1: that you know, we're sort of working around the coal

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Speaker 1: transfers and all that, and and they crank down on

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Speaker 1: that and so and and they make within two year

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Speaker 1: period of time. So nothing's gonna happen right away. All

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Speaker 1: the foreign workers must be out of North Korea, so

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Speaker 1: that gives them in their families time to make other

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Speaker 1: plans and get out. But that's you know, a tough

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Speaker 1: set of sanctions. And they're even in Kim Jong un

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Speaker 1: said it's an active war. Well, of course, it's an

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Speaker 1: active war. We've been at at war, just not a

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Speaker 1: hot war, not a shooting war. Really, I'm for several years.

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Speaker 1: When they've got intent and capability, they say we are

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Speaker 1: gonna nuke the United States. We're at war with the

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Speaker 1: United States. I mean, I take them at their word.

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Speaker 1: Why not, you know, never underestimate an enemy. And and

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Speaker 1: so the diplomatic and the information elements of power. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kim Jong un saying something and getting big,

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Speaker 1: big splash in the press, then President Trump Trump tweeting,

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Speaker 1: get something in the in the press. Uh. And and

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Speaker 1: that's the information warfare, going back and forth, back and

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Speaker 1: forth and and um. Then economic you know, taining down

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Speaker 1: those sanctions. So that that's the four elements of power.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the sun Sue and the clause Wits

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Speaker 1: and all of them talk about the golden bridge. Never

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Speaker 1: never corner the the opponent. It just always leave some

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Speaker 1: golden bridge out and and so that they don't have

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Speaker 1: to fight. And if we can build this thing such

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Speaker 1: that we can uh crank down on the sanctions, we

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Speaker 1: can keep them isolated. We can build that golden bridge,

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Speaker 1: whatever that looks like for Kim Jong and maybe he

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Speaker 1: stays in power but gives up nukes. Uh, but there's

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Speaker 1: something's got to give. Because the new national security strategy

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Speaker 1: with President Trump makes it very clear, as did President

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Speaker 1: Obama's actually that we are not gonna tolerate uh A

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Speaker 1: nuclear North Korea. We mentioned, um, the new UH I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say foreign policy strategy, national security, just in general

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Speaker 1: strategy that they've laid out. We talked about it in

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Speaker 1: the last show. Um, we actually talked about Army Ranger.

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Speaker 1: Marty Scoveland went on our friend Andrew will Cow show

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Speaker 1: and talked about it. Um. But I'm still a little

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Speaker 1: in the dark of what what particular particulars are different

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Speaker 1: about this current UM national defense strategy than what we've

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Speaker 1: had in place. Yeah. I think the big difference in

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Speaker 1: is that somebody actually didn't do a big cut and

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Speaker 1: pace job from the ten previous national security strategies, because

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Speaker 1: not much has change, um for this one. It's wholly different.

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Speaker 1: And I actually UM sent hr McMaster of email saying

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Speaker 1: this fantastic job, you know, um, because you know I

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Speaker 1: thought they did. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean he's a

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Speaker 1: great guy, great American. Couldn't have a better guy in there,

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Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, the as I read through it,

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Speaker 1: it not only you know, it talks about protecting the

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Speaker 1: American people, and then it's got a whole um you

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Speaker 1: know section on that, and it talks about the prosperity

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Speaker 1: of the American people. So it wraps security in the

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Speaker 1: economy together, um, and then it talks about peace through strength,

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Speaker 1: and then it talks about pursuing adversaries to the source

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Speaker 1: and whether or not that's you know, the transnational actor

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Speaker 1: threat is a big threat. And in all of these areas,

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Speaker 1: there are actually action items inside this National Secure any

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Speaker 1: document that says, okay, action item number one must do X,

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Speaker 1: Y and Z. Action item number two must do A,

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Speaker 1: B and C. And it's their way, you know. And

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Speaker 1: and knowing that we've got three army generals kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, the General Kelly, General Maddis and General McMaster.

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Speaker 1: You know, their action oriented and they're and if they're

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Speaker 1: holding themselves accountable is a big deal. And if I

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Speaker 1: could jump in here, I was just gonna say that

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Speaker 1: there's there's widespart opinion throughout the military of and and

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Speaker 1: our writers, I think our audience of if they think

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing a good job, if they think the

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Speaker 1: administration is doing a good job, there's always going to

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Speaker 1: be debate on that type of thing. I've always said

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Speaker 1: the military is not a model. If that's certainly something

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Speaker 1: I've learned working on this podcast. However, General maddis, I

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Speaker 1: have not heard a negative thing about the guy. And

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Speaker 1: I think even if people are critical of Trump, they

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Speaker 1: can say I like this guy and I trust his

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Speaker 1: judgment that well, that's right. And and you know, you

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta give a nod to President Trump for

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Speaker 1: picking a guy like Madison, a guy like Kelly, and

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Speaker 1: a guy like McMaster to be in there and and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, working hard and doing the nation's bidding, and

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Speaker 1: what you have with with them is not only a

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Speaker 1: combined about twenty years of service and uniform, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of combat time. And so they really know the

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Speaker 1: cost of combat. They know that if we go to

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Speaker 1: war in North Korea there there will be massive loss

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Speaker 1: of life American, South Korean, North Korean, and who knows

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Speaker 1: what else, depending upon the options that we employ. These

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Speaker 1: are men who have been on the battlefield, have put soldiers, sailors,

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Speaker 1: airmend marines and caskets and shipped them home, have knelt

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Speaker 1: at memorial services and cried over lost men and women

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Speaker 1: that they loved as soldier, sailors, airmen, and renes. And

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Speaker 1: so nobody's taken this lightly at all. And I have

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Speaker 1: the utmost respect for what this administration is trying to

641
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Speaker 1: do because we can't also we cannot say it's too

642
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Speaker 1: much of a problem and and you know, leave it

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Speaker 1: for somebody else for eight years down the road. We've

644
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: got to take care of this problem somehow, some way. Absolutely. Um,

645
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: we were talking about Wiki weeks pretty briefly. I saw that,

646
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Speaker 1: I think on Christmas Twitter band Juliana Sange would just

647
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Speaker 1: like to hear your take on that. Yeah, you know Twitter.

648
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Twitter I think is you know, an arm of of uh,

649
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Speaker 1: the the mainstream media almost where uh they'll they'll they'll

650
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Speaker 1: give the tigers to the liberal and and uh, you know,

651
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: not that Asans is liberal or conservative, but he's certainly

652
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: done a lot of damage to liberal causes of late,

653
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Speaker 1: and so that probably played a big factor into that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw the you know,

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Speaker 1: Rosie O'Donnell um going nuts thing, offering what like two

656
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Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, but she she said something obscene and

657
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Speaker 1: then someone called her out on it, and it was

658
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Speaker 1: like Ben Shapiro, Yeah, exactly, it was Shapiro, I think,

659
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Speaker 1: but she think she offered two million dollars to senators

660
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Speaker 1: to vote on what was it the healthcare bell she

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Speaker 1: was Briban senators don't think that's gonna work on Twitter.

662
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Speaker 1: On Twitter, um, it is interesting what they will go

663
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Speaker 1: after and what they won't go after. Yeah, and there

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Speaker 1: definitely is a bias there. I often said, you know,

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Speaker 1: because Twitter is almost like a Drudge report in that

666
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Speaker 1: it's a news aggregate. But as Drudges is definitely center

667
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Speaker 1: right leaning, Twitter is definitely center left leaning. And when

668
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: I say this to a lot of people, they say, well,

669
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Speaker 1: just matters who you're following. I'm talking about when you

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Speaker 1: go on Twitter and you go into that news feed part,

671
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: it's always there's always stories with a major left wing bias,

672
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: for sure. Noticed and um, they're covering people with more

673
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Speaker 1: of a left wing bias. And I do think there

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Speaker 1: has to be some um bias in banning Julian Sang

675
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: because yes, he has been more favorable towards the right

676
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: with with some of the stuff that he's putting out.

677
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: He was more focused on what Hillary Clinton was doing

678
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Speaker 1: than than other things. But this is well and it

679
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Speaker 1: may be that there just wasn't as much that he

680
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Speaker 1: could dig out on on the other campaign, and and

681
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Speaker 1: so that's why he released all those Clinton documents. Who knows,

682
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Speaker 1: I mean that the Clinton team, you know, when when

683
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: you look at what was exposed, it's massive corruption that

684
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: was exposed on the left, and it was just unbelievable

685
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: some of the things that came out. And and to

686
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Speaker 1: this day we're seeing with the FBI and and how

687
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Speaker 1: you know, the lead investigator on the Clinton email scandal

688
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: was a huge Clinton s order go figure and actually

689
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Speaker 1: using his actual FBI email address to uh send supportive

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Speaker 1: emails for Hillary Clinton, which is against the law. So um,

691
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at at our live stream right now, a

692
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Speaker 1: lot of great feedback coming in. Robert Burt Burt how

693
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Speaker 1: hopefully pronouncing that right, says he pre ordered the book

694
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Speaker 1: must be here tomorrow. Um, I was even seeing before

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Speaker 1: I get to a question I saw here, Converge Sheaf

696
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Speaker 1: on YouTube says this guy was my brigade commander. Nice guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy he's doing well. Or it might be converged

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Speaker 1: chef chef sheath a sheath. Converged Sheath means his artillery

699
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Speaker 1: term where where uh um, converged chef would be, you know,

700
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Speaker 1: cooking two eggs at once, But converge Sheath is is

701
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Speaker 1: an artillery term for getting all the all the rounds

702
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Speaker 1: right on one. I'm just wondering if you know who

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Speaker 1: it is who says that he worked with you. But well,

704
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Speaker 1: you know, I had four thousand troops and I'm glad

705
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Speaker 1: there's a nar assault trooper from Strike Brigade. Um. Uh.

706
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Speaker 1: And I hope he's doing well. And thanks for the comment.

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Speaker 1: So the questions are coming in once again. Pick up

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Speaker 1: direct fire today. UM, our favorite seller who he says, Uh,

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Speaker 1: good morning, shipmates. I can't do Gene Fourns boys, but

710
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: he always he sends us invoicte memos regularly. Great guy, um.

711
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: He asks, please share your favorite duty station tour and

712
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: why it was your favorite? Oh, you know, undoubtedly, um,

713
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Speaker 1: eighty second Airborne Division, Fort Bragg. Uh. You know. And

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do because hundred first tenth amount in

715
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Speaker 1: all great units. And but I would say that when

716
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Speaker 1: I first arrived at the eighty second Airborne Division, the

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Speaker 1: the elon there, the acceptance, the culture, the jump master duties,

718
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Speaker 1: the jumping out of an airplane, the history. Uh. And

719
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: it was a part of it was the timing. I

720
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: was there in the early nineties and we had all

721
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Speaker 1: these World War two veterans every year coming back now

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Speaker 1: an All American week and and meeting just really famous

723
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Speaker 1: for jump uh you know the Sicily Salerno, Uh Saint

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Speaker 1: Mary Guisee, uh France D Day and and uh Holland jumps.

725
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Speaker 1: And you know these are legends in our time that

726
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: we're still alive then that and now you know, twenty

727
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: some years later there uh most of them have passed,

728
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Speaker 1: but being able to talk to them and and just

729
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Speaker 1: really live that. And I and I had a lot

730
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Speaker 1: of this in the hundred first Airborne as well, and

731
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to distinguish between the two. But

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Speaker 1: as a young officer, I came into the eighty second

733
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Speaker 1: Airborne Division and it was just such a great experience

734
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Speaker 1: that this was the real army. This was where I

735
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Speaker 1: wanted to be. This is why I signed up. And

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Speaker 1: and you have sergeants in charge of hundred paratroopers in

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Speaker 1: the bat lack of an aircraft and and putting them

738
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Speaker 1: out the door and the back door of an aircraft

739
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: doesn't care if you're a private or a general. You

740
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: better get out out of that door, right, you know,

741
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: up six out thirty six and and uh, you know,

742
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Speaker 1: get get into the slip stream and hold tight and

743
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Speaker 1: count to four thousand and then you know, execute a

744
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Speaker 1: proper parasite landing fall and and and and curse on

745
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Speaker 1: here it sounds pretty awesome. Yeah, it is awesome. It

746
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: is awesome, and and uh, you know, the the great

747
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: thing about it was a non commissioned officer Corps was

748
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: so is so strong and powerful because they're in charge

749
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Speaker 1: every day of para troopers and the safety of para

750
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: troopers and it's real life and death every day in

751
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the eighty second Airborne Division and and so that that

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Speaker 1: was sort of my indoctrination into real special elite units

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00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: with Elon and hundred first was great as well, you know,

754
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Speaker 1: all the air assault power. You've got their tenth Mountain

755
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Speaker 1: grade as well. And and what you saw was there

756
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: was this rotation between those three units, so you kind

757
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: of got to know everybody as you kept serving in

758
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Speaker 1: one or the other. In the eighteenth Airborne Core and

759
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: so I would say the eighteenth Airborne Corps because it's

760
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Speaker 1: really one degree different between eightst tenth Mountain and and

761
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Speaker 1: you were in the Rapid Reaction Corps and you were

762
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Speaker 1: you were you know, at on two hour recall and

763
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: you were ready to go, and and there was that

764
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Speaker 1: sense of urgency and and that's why you know, I

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Speaker 1: can I can talk about this all day because yeah,

766
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Speaker 1: I guess me excited. Yeah, it sounds like it was

767
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: just a huge rush to be a part of that. Yes, yes, um, alright,

768
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: getting into other things. I thought this was interesting here,

769
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Speaker 1: George talent Um. And this is a good question back

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Speaker 1: to what we were just talking about before. Have sanctions

771
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Speaker 1: ever really worked on these type of regimes like North Korea?

772
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Historically looking at Cuba, Iran, etcetera, sanctions do not appear

773
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to work. Are you optimistic with these new chefs sanctions

774
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: against North Korea? You know, I'm I'm not optimistic that

775
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: the sanctions will produce any kind of immediate effect. What

776
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: I am optimistic about is that the sanctions mean that

777
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: we are continuing to negotiate and and that that there

778
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Speaker 1: must be something happening behind the scenes that is creating

779
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: the need for more sanctions and not immediate military action.

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00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: And so what what the sanctions mean to me? And

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00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: that we haven't gone all the way because there there's

782
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: more that we could do uh in a in a

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Speaker 1: more meaningful way, and not that these aren't meaningful. They are,

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Speaker 1: they're they're very harmful to North Korea, but there is

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Speaker 1: more that we could do. And and so what that

786
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: tells me is we're just you know, narrowing that zone

787
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: of possible agreement, you know, and negotiations. You have what's

788
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Speaker 1: called the Zone of possible agreement and the ZOPA, and

789
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: and we're narrowing that down each time, you know, we're

790
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: we're moving down toward you know, look, it's either gonna

791
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: be you get out of here or you give up

792
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: your nuclear weapons or both. And we'll give you an option.

793
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: But uh, and and what what North Korea believes it has?

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00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: Um and and rightfully? So, I mean they've got they've

795
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: got an ace up their sleeve here with eight thousand

796
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: artillery tubes you know near or on the d m

797
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Z in four thousand rocket launchers. So that's twelve thousand

798
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Speaker 1: systems that can basically range about fifteen to twenty million

799
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Speaker 1: people in Seul. Plus it's a one minute MiG flight

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Speaker 1: from the demilitarized Zone to Soul. So that's even if

801
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: we put a nuke down the smoke stack of pyeong

802
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: Yang and you know, try to call it a day

803
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: that's one poll of twelve thousand systems. Uh. And and

804
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a lot of rocket fire and

805
00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: and artillery fire converged sheath on on uh saul. And

806
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: there's about a quarter million Americans living in South Korea. Uh.

807
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: There's a long history of uh, you know, American servicemen

808
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Speaker 1: and women being there, and there's been a lot of

809
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: marriages and families and that kind of thing, so that

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Speaker 1: you know, Korea is very much a a ally and

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Speaker 1: a friend and someone we that we have a huge

812
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Speaker 1: interest in, a vital interest in, and and it's part

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Speaker 1: of that first protection piece of the new set national

814
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Speaker 1: security strategy. So am I confident that the sanctions of work. No, Am,

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Speaker 1: I confident that this means that we're we're we've got

816
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Speaker 1: some more runway to do some more talking before we

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Speaker 1: go to war. Yes, good answer. Um. By the way,

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Speaker 1: converge chief says he was in eighty one mm mortar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: anyone millimeter mortar, k Roger Yeah. Carry on, asks what

820
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Speaker 1: is the level of Iranian support to North Korea? Yeah?

821
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good question that works both ways.

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Speaker 1: You could ask it, what's North Korea prime to proride

823
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: and to Iran as well as far as transfer and trade.

824
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I was in the Balkans way

825
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Speaker 1: back in the mid nineteen nineties, I was involved in

826
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Speaker 1: Bosnia and Coastvo Mastonian, all of the Croatia, all of that.

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Speaker 1: We traced a lot of support for that to Iran,

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Speaker 1: and then that lit up networks that went to North Korea.

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Speaker 1: And I, you know, I need to be careful what

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Speaker 1: I say here, but there there is Irani and support

831
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Speaker 1: to North Korea, and there's a North Korean support to Iran,

832
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Speaker 1: and that is on everybody's radar because those are the

833
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Speaker 1: two countries that, if you remember, President Bush had the

834
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Speaker 1: access of evil, right Iraq, Iran and North Korea. And

835
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Speaker 1: so Iraq is is sort of okay right now, and

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00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: but Iran and North Korea, surprise surprise, continue to be

837
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Speaker 1: orange in our side. And and uh the trade and

838
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: uh they're they're closed society, so that they're very problematic.

839
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Speaker 1: They are closed societies. And they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: ungoverned space, particularly in Iran, not not so much in

841
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Speaker 1: North Korea. But the ungoverned space is an area particularly

842
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Speaker 1: along the west eastern border with Afghanistan and Iran. That's

843
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Speaker 1: where a lot of this poppy and and guns and

844
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Speaker 1: and uh. You know, back when I was deputy commander

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, we saw a lot of the explosively formed

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Speaker 1: penetrators starting to come in that way, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the the roadside bomb materials coming in from Iran because

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Speaker 1: you know, the the Shia, we're totally interested in doing

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Speaker 1: whatever they could to kill Mame her Americans. And so

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Speaker 1: that has not changed. And there is support between North

851
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: Korea and Iran, and it works both ways. Well said um,

852
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: and I'm looking we have more questions coming in all uh,

853
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: Adam case is Ian rocking the beard? Thank you? I

854
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: uh the last time you see me, I didn't have

855
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: the beard. You know. It's like it's a seasonal thing.

856
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: I feel like, because in the winter it's good to have, right, Um,

857
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: I will. I'll probably shave it off as it gets warm.

858
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: But thank you Adam U Tara Gavin, I love your books.

859
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: How much of your experience plays into Jake's journey. Writing

860
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: is a very courageous profession and very personal. How do

861
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: you deal with the global and the personal parts of

862
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: your career? Um? And then she also added, I want

863
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: to hear more about you as a writer. You're an

864
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: amazing writing talent. So she's a big fan about Tara.

865
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Tara is an awesome lady and she's a you know, great,

866
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: great book editor. And um so you know, for me, uh,

867
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: the creative process. I think that's what Tera is getting

868
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: out its creative process. It is a very personal thing

869
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: and it does take courage. And I get a lot

870
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: of people who um asked me about writing and they

871
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: want to be writers. You know, so many people want

872
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: to be writers, and so many people feel creative and

873
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: want to be able to articulate that into a book.

874
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: And it's a lot harder than Yeah, it is hard.

875
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: And you know, Stephen King Tom Clancy both had sort

876
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: of paraphrase advice that if you want to write them,

877
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: be a writer. And so I've been a writer. I

878
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: can remember even at West Point after lights out with

879
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: my flashlight on and spiral bound notebook that I still

880
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: have that some of the characters from my very first

881
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: couple of novels. You know, I just started right out

882
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: after reading about how to how to do writing and

883
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: that kind of and you know, how to write a

884
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: mystery or how to write a thriller, and and it

885
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: was just intriguing to me because this has always been

886
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: a goal of mine, to to be a fiction author.

887
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: And but you know, it takes some courage to put

888
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: your stuff out there and then people review it on Amazon,

889
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: and you know, thankfully most of the people give my books,

890
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, good reviews, but I think all seen a

891
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: five stars. Yeah right, right, And but there are a

892
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: few people that you know, take a job, yeah right,

893
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: There's always to be that. But that's you know, you

894
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: take that personal. Like I put you know, so much blood,

895
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: sweat and tears into this book and and now I

896
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: put it out there. And that's I think that's what

897
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: ter is talking about. It takes courage to sort of

898
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: reveal yourself in a book and in my in my stories.

899
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people say, how much of

900
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: you is Jake Mohegan, And I'm like, well, Jake Mhegan's

901
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: a six and f a tall Native American. That's not me.

902
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: But you know his thought process. So when I talked

903
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: about me thinking through the the problem set as a commander,

904
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: and what's the worst thing the enemy could do to

905
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: my troops? And then how do I develop a course

906
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: of action A B and C. There's probably some of

907
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: that thought process. And Jake and I get a lot

908
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: of good feedback in the form of emails and conversations

909
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: that they love getting inside Jake's mind and seeing, Okay,

910
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: if I do option A, this is potential. If I

911
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: do Option B, this potential. If I do option see,

912
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: this is a potential result. And and so there's some

913
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: of the in Jake's thought process that I think, uh,

914
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, I take the reader into and show them, Okay,

915
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: here's a here's a guy sort of using deductive reasoning

916
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: and choosing the best action and he and he does

917
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: it miraculously fast because he's a combat season veteran and

918
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: and so he's able to look at one to three

919
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: and then make a decision and in a second or two.

920
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: And and so for for me, that's that's where the

921
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: part that comes out from inside of me. And of

922
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: course everything comes out for me as I sit down

923
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: and write these books and and and I just really

924
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: get into the head of the protagonist, the antagonists, the

925
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: the you know, the love interest, all of that. They

926
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: can put your kind of mind and said, what would

927
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: this person think? I'm like an actor or an actress.

928
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm inside that person's mind, and I'm thinking, well, what

929
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: what would the response be or what what would you

930
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: know he or she say or do? And and then

931
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: pretty soon as you as as you've written, as you're

932
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: writing the book, they do become sort of live characters

933
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: that take you in different directions. And it's a really fun,

934
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: interesting process because you know, I'll have, um, you know,

935
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't do a whole lot of outlining. I do

936
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. I know where I want to go from,

937
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, start opening scene to act one, which is

938
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, about thirty thousand words, and Act one to

939
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Act two, and other thirty thousand words in act to

940
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: the finale, which is about another thirty thousand words, you know,

941
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: eighty two hundred thousand words as you're ever throw and

942
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: but so I'll have those guide posts, but not a

943
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: whole lot of content in between there. And then these

944
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: characters actually provide that content for me as I as

945
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm writing. And that may sound strange, but it's just

946
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: how I write. And I got it. Yeah, So I

947
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: mean the way I could relate. I don't know if

948
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to see it. Um that documentary

949
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: on Netflix Jim and Andy about Jim candy a Jim

950
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: carry playing Andy Kaufman. I don't know if you saw it.

951
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's out there now though. Um, but yeah,

952
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey did not break character the entire man in

953
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: the Moon movie. It's almost like what you're saying, you're

954
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: getting in the head of these people. I could relate

955
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: to what you're saying, though, with people saying I want

956
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: to write a book, how do because I get the

957
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: same thing with I want to do a podcast, I

958
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: want to be a radio host. And it is it

959
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: is not as easy as as people think, because a

960
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: lot of people will say, you know, I'm funny, I'm this,

961
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm that, But that's not everything to it. Um. You

962
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: know the beauty of of Howard Stern or even an

963
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey, they asked questions that allow these people to

964
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: be candid. So I'm doing the same thing in some way.

965
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what question could I ask General Tata that

966
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a lot of knowledge on. It's the

967
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: same thing from what you're saying. They are all these

968
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: different creative processes for different things. You're thinking, what position

969
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: could I put Jake Mohegan in where he's really gonna

970
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: shine and that people are gonna be excited to read it?

971
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: Or what position could I put Jake Mohegan in where

972
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: he hasn't no chance of survival and and was gonna

973
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: get and how's he going to get out of it?

974
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: And and that's that, that's that whole tension piece where

975
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: you just want the reader needs how's he gonna how's

976
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: how's he going to figure this out? That makes me

977
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: wonder though, is there is there almost um, you know,

978
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: people reading these books know that they're in the end,

979
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: there is gonna be another Jake Mohegan novel? Is that

980
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: almost a giveaway to the reader that he is going

981
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: to survive somehow? They're always gonna say, you've said you

982
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: plan on keeping these books gone, So Jake Mohegan dies

983
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: no more Jake Mehegan novels. Yeah, well, um, you know,

984
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: Kinson and will all ultimately determine whether or not Jake

985
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: Mohegan lives or dies. But you know they're a great

986
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: publisher and and um, the Jake Mohegan, uh, you know

987
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: like Jack Reacher. You know, people there's what twenty two

988
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: or so Jack Reacher books that leech Old has written

989
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: in and yeah, you know the key for me is

990
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: to get Mohegan in these situations. And it's not so

991
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: much as he gonna live or die, but is the

992
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: problem going to be solved? Is the conflict going to

993
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: be resolved in a positive way? And for Jake, his

994
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: his real conflict, his inner conflict, that sort of is

995
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: his arc through every book, is he just wants to

996
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: settle down and and find a good woman and have

997
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: a family because he had that sort of taken away

998
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: from him. And and so when he when he's in combat,

999
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: and the and the very first Mohegan book, forn In Domestic,

1000
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: the very first chapter. So I'm not giveing anything away, uh,

1001
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: he he accidentally kills an enemy prisoner of war when

1002
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: that enemy prison war uses a serie voice command on

1003
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: his iPhone to detonate a bomb under his best friend's vehicle.

1004
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: The guy tries to escape, and he's trying to butt

1005
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: stroke him, just to knock him down. But he he

1006
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: we think in the book he accidentally kills him. But

1007
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's got this fury and rage and and

1008
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: so forth, and and so just took some time off,

1009
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 1: and I've written a biography on Jake, so I read

1010
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: that before I start every book that's a you know,

1011
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: tip out to all the all the writers out there,

1012
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: so that I'm grounded in who Jake Mohegan is. And

1013
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: his real conflict is you know, he was trying to

1014
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's lost his family of Delta Force and

1015
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: the Army and and he lost his family prior to

1016
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: that and and now um his his true family and

1017
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: and now he's he's looking for and he and you know,

1018
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: he meets a love interests, you know, every now and then,

1019
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: and and yeah, he's he's a good looking guy. Yeah,

1020
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: he's a good looking guy that protects women and and

1021
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: uh so he's uh but you know, at the end

1022
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: of the day, um, you know, duty calls or this

1023
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: this uh you know, desire to have a piece full life.

1024
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: And and he's he's got this code that he lives by,

1025
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: right and he's got to he's got a um, you know,

1026
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: return the call to duty, so to speak. And and

1027
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: that's that's really his conflict, and that he's torn between.

1028
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: And in the In Foreign and Domestic, the very first book,

1029
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: um in the series, I described it as sort of

1030
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: he's sitting there, haven't tried to escape from being involved

1031
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: in any kind of combat, warfare's in the outer banks

1032
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: of North Carolina. And and he finds himself sitting there

1033
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 1: with a pistol of rifle rope. He's had to knock

1034
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: a guy out because he's suddenly found out that the

1035
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: technology that was in the bomb uh that killed his

1036
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: best friend was actually American made and it was made

1037
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: in the outer banks of North Carolina. And um, he's

1038
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: there right where um it was being made. And he

1039
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: makes his discovery, and he's got these tools of war.

1040
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: And I'd say it's kind of like a boomerang that

1041
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: has come back down and in his lap. And and

1042
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: so that's that's Jake's inner conflict, and that's I think

1043
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: getting back to a little bit of what Terror was

1044
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: asking about. Absolutely, Um, we'll get to some more questions.

1045
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: I also know you want to sign some books, and

1046
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: we'll get to the meaning behind that. Um. But I

1047
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: do before we do all that, we want to get

1048
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: into this China story because I felt like this was

1049
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: just really interesting. Came out today. I mean, you're laughing,

1050
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: but for this guy, this is not exactly a laughing matter. Um.

1051
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: So this is from Reuter's China, hands down harshest sentence

1052
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: yet and crackdown on activists. Uh this is from Beijing.

1053
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: China sentenced a prominent rights activist to eight years in

1054
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: jail for subversion on Tuesday. His lawyer said the harshest

1055
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: sentence passed and a government crackdown on activism that began

1056
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: more than two years ago. In a separate case, a

1057
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: rights lawyer avoided criminal punishment despite being found guilty of

1058
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: its inciting subversion because admitted to his crimes. The Chinese

1059
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: court trying him, said Wugan, a blogger better known by

1060
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: his online name which I know you loved, super vulgar Butcher,

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Speaker 1: plans to appeal against the eight years sentence handed down

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Speaker 1: by the Tian t Engine and my saying that right, Tiana,

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Speaker 1: all right? What's uh t A T I A n

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Speaker 1: j I N so okay yeah, Municipalities number two Intermediate

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Speaker 1: People's Court. His lawyer, Jan Zen told Reuters the harshness

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Speaker 1: of the sentence prompted the German embassy in Beijing to

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Speaker 1: issue a statement expressing disappointment. Will regularly champions sensitive cases

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Speaker 1: of government abuse of power, both online and in street protests.

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Speaker 1: He was detained in May of in charge with subversion.

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Speaker 1: The activists criticized China's political system online and used performance

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Speaker 1: art to create disturbances, as well as insulting people and

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Speaker 1: spreading false information. According to a statement from the court

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Speaker 1: posted on its website, he carried out a string of

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Speaker 1: criminal actions to subvert state power and overthrow the socialist

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Speaker 1: system and seriously harmed state security and social stability, the

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Speaker 1: court said. Before his arrest, who used his platform to

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Speaker 1: cast doubt on the official version of events in an

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Speaker 1: incident in early May in which a police officer shot

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Speaker 1: a petitioner and a train station UH in northern high

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Speaker 1: How my pronunciation is gonna be wrong in this one

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Speaker 1: high Long Jung province. Who has refused a little bit

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Speaker 1: to bow to pressure or admit guilt likely explains his

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Speaker 1: harsh sentence, said Kitchen Hong Kong based director of China

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Speaker 1: Human Rights, the lawyer's concerned Group. There's more to this story,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I'll end it there and you can

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Speaker 1: check this out by Christian Shepherd on Reuter's But the

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Speaker 1: main thing I got out of it, uh is that

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Speaker 1: in these countries like China, you often hear a lot

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Speaker 1: of criticism in America about speaking out against government. Um.

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Speaker 1: But luckily we do have constitutional rights and these type

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Speaker 1: of things. And when when terrible things happen, whether it

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01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: is isolated incident of a police shooting gone wrong or something,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be protests. There's gonna be some type of action.

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Speaker 1: And in China, I mean, just to put up bluntly,

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Speaker 1: they really don't funk around if you if you have

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Speaker 1: any criticism of their system of government. And I mean

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Speaker 1: I would say this guy is a hero because it

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Speaker 1: you know, yes, it takes rights to it takes guts.

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Speaker 1: I should say to be a journalist in America and

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Speaker 1: to write about things that are going on that you

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Speaker 1: want to speak out against. But when you do that

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Speaker 1: in China, the risks are huge. I mean, eight years

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Speaker 1: in prison for basically just getting out information and doing

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Speaker 1: performance art. As they said, it's crazy when you hear this,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a surprise with what China does. The

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Speaker 1: biggest thing I get out of that is um nip tera.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is still listening, or if if Gary Goldstein, my

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Speaker 1: editor from Kinsington, is listening, then super Vulgar Butcher needs

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Speaker 1: to be the title of my next book, because I

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Speaker 1: think Gary would love that. So um, super Vulgar butcher

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Speaker 1: and and um, you know that Gary, Gary loves styling books,

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Speaker 1: and and uh that's he always picks out a great

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Speaker 1: title in conjunction with me. So let's let's put super

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Speaker 1: Vulgar butcher On on the list. End Um. You know

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Speaker 1: you're right. And the I hope that by now no

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Speaker 1: one in the United States takes for granted there um liberties,

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Speaker 1: uh First Amendment rights and and the Constitution in general,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that we do have a free press.

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Speaker 1: And and even if there's tension today between you know,

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Speaker 1: the you know, quote unquote mainstream media and you know,

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Speaker 1: the fake New US and and all that, I mean

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: that that tension I think is healthy for democracy because

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Speaker 1: you've got varying, different, varying viewpoints. Madison called it the

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Speaker 1: violence of factions, and so you have different factions that

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Speaker 1: come up with these, you know, different ideas and different interpretations,

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Speaker 1: and you know, somebody somebody can look at, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the same thing and and have a one a D viewpoint.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay where America we can deal with that,

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Speaker 1: and we have the institutions to deal with that. What's

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Speaker 1: happening in China is not okay. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's their government and they're so they're gonna do what

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Speaker 1: they do. And this is why, in many respects, while

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Speaker 1: China is to be feared, they have a massive army,

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Speaker 1: they have a nuclear arsenal. Uh. Sometimes they have a

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Speaker 1: hard time getting out of their way because they just

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Speaker 1: they're more worried about internal control than they are about

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Speaker 1: power projection and all that. They see themselves as the

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Speaker 1: Middle Kingdom, and and they're they're there, you know, perfectly

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Speaker 1: happy with where they are. They're doing great economic trade

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Speaker 1: with the most of the world, to include the United

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Speaker 1: States mostly, and and so they they try to have

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Speaker 1: it and frankly do in many ways have it both ways.

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01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: They have a terrible human rights record, but they have

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Speaker 1: this very significant trade with US uh in in other countries.

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Speaker 1: So it's, um, it's just one of those things that

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Speaker 1: we're China, uh, you know, cracking down on somebody for

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Speaker 1: criticizing the government. Think about that, I mean, you know,

1148
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Speaker 1: think about how many people would need to be cleaned

1149
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Speaker 1: up off of Twitter or you know, you know whatever,

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: regardless twa if they're going to Facebook or you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: I mean. There was criticism over the President blocking citizens

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: in America on Twitter, which you know, we like regardless

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01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: of who's president, whether it's President Trump, president Obama. You

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: had people criticizing President Obama. You have people presic it's

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Speaker 1: just President Trump. Think into perspective, right, I mean, think

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Speaker 1: about it, and and so, you know, be like half

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: the country because it's we're a very divided country right now.

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01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: But we have these outlets where people can voice their

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Speaker 1: opinions and and and can have these discussions. Sometimes. You know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of cringe at the abuse of nature of

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Speaker 1: the discussion because I'm a solutions oriented guy and and

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Speaker 1: the the ideology always comes second to me, where the

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Speaker 1: solution should come first. And and and I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of this website. We're the same way.

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Speaker 1: We're not a right wing or a left wing website. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I think that's why you have

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Speaker 1: such great followership and and so many people just you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people like the noise, but most people

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01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: don't like the noise. People want to hear about solutions.

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Speaker 1: They want to hear real answers to real questions and

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Speaker 1: from experts like yourself to think there. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: we just had Jack Divine on the podcast former CIA

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Speaker 1: was there since the sixties, and it's like to hear

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Speaker 1: him give his take for an hour the same way

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Speaker 1: you are. You don't get to hear that in the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media. I mean, I know you're on CNN and

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Speaker 1: Fox today, but you'll be on there for a quick

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Speaker 1: five minute hit. It's like, we don't get to hear

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: you can to giving your take on all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately on all these new stations, I'm not singling

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Speaker 1: out any of them. Sometimes the people who are giving

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Speaker 1: their perspective on foreign policy, you know, are lawyers or

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: just random commentators with no experience. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: from a guy who was a brigadier general about what

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: should be done with North Korea, and we don't hear

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Speaker 1: enough of that. And I actually do think that's why

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Speaker 1: people are going to alternative media to hear this type

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Speaker 1: of thing. I agree with you, because you know, even

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Speaker 1: as as great as Fox and CNN are, you know,

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Speaker 1: they you know, you've got basically four to six minutes

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Speaker 1: too maybe well or to get your viewpoint out there.

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Speaker 1: Not you know, because I do a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: and it's not you know, ninety percent of the time,

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Speaker 1: it's not about the book, it's about it, about the

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Speaker 1: topic and and so uh to try to explain things

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Speaker 1: in a very three to five minute period of time

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: where it's cut in half because you know, the anchor's

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: getting her his point of view in there, which is

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Speaker 1: great for the discourse, but I mean that's you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're basically talking about sound bites. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this a few times on the podcast, so

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Speaker 1: part me if you've heard me tell this story before,

1203
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: but you know, I will relate it to you because

1204
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: you're working with the guy. I remember Hannity did one

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01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: of these panel shows where they've got all these different

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Speaker 1: people on almost bleachers answering all different stuff, and our

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: friend Nick Irving was on there. They're asking all different

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Speaker 1: types of stuff and then they go into topics about

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Speaker 1: isis and some lawyer is running his mouth for like

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Speaker 1: five minutes, and I'm you know, I don't you rarely

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Speaker 1: get excited with this about this type of thing. But

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the TV, like, go to Nick Irving.

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Speaker 1: You know he's actually been there, he knows what goes

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Speaker 1: on with that. I don't care what some lawyer has

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Speaker 1: to say. And it frustrated me because I think the

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Speaker 1: only time Nick talked was Sean said something the effect of, uh,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to go shooting with you sometimes. You know

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Speaker 1: Nick Irving Rangers Sniper, and he was like, any time,

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Speaker 1: but I would have loved to have heard his take

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Speaker 1: on all the ices stuff. So it's just that that's

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: the thing with the podcast. I think that people lobous

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01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: that we get to go so in depth, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great. Um. Antonio Montana was asking will this book

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Speaker 1: be in Barnes and Noble. Of course it will everywhere

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Speaker 1: books are sold, and and and I'm signing yes everywhere.

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01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: It's everywhere books are sold. And I'm I'm actually going

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: to sign the stock at the Barnes and Noble on

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Speaker 1: the fifth Avenue here at one pm. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things we're doing you can go to my website

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: aj tata dot com and these books I got stacked

1231
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: up here are just symbolic of we're we're sending books

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01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: over the troops and Bogerman. I've got the pet Tillman

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Speaker 1: Center USO UM address on on on my website A

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Speaker 1: J tata dot com And uh, what you can do

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Speaker 1: is you can go to that and go I a

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Speaker 1: copy of direct fire and just send it to the

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Speaker 1: USO and and and the pet Tilman Center and Bagram

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Speaker 1: and and the addresses on my website, which is a

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Speaker 1: J tata dot com And and so I'm I'm sending

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Speaker 1: a bunch of books over there that I'm going to

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: sign and box him up. Today's boxing day, so we

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: figured we'd do boxing day, uh signing for the troops

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. My good friend, General mc nicholson is uh,

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Speaker 1: General John nicholson. Somebody correct, I was on CNN talking

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: to somebody tweeted, hey, you know act like you know,

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: you need to correct yourself. He goes by Mick, all right,

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Speaker 1: and they thought I was calling him mc nicholson. And

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Speaker 1: but Mick is, uh the commander over there, the fourth

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Speaker 1: star commander, and uh he's a great guy. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we got about twelve thousand troops over there. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you, I started a lot of my authors that

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: I like to read, just from picking up a free

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,959
Speaker 1: book that's somewhere in in uh you know, the headquarters

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: is at Bagram or in Kanadahart or Kastvo or you

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: know wherever I've served and been in combat. And so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna ship a bunch of these over and I

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Speaker 1: welcome all your listeners to go to my website and

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: uh donate a book to the troops. And and uh

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: certainly um, I know that it's appreciated during the holidays

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01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: to receive you know anything, you know, if you don't

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Speaker 1: feel like donating a book, right a too any soldier letter,

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: I can tell you I took those out to the

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Speaker 1: to the border um Forward operating bases along the Pakistan border.

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Speaker 1: And and they just make a difference that troops will

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Speaker 1: smell them, they'll they'll read them, and they'll be written

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Speaker 1: by you know, just everybody from you know, adults to children,

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Speaker 1: and and they'll pin them up in their hooch and

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Speaker 1: and and it's just it makes a difference. So whether

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Speaker 1: it's a book or or a card during this time

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: uh and and uh, you know there are people leaders

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq wherever our troops are

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: niger UM that will get these things to the troops

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: and and they'll they'll bag them up and they'll they'll

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: fly him in a helicopter out and do it dump

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, I'm sending a whole bunch of

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 1: direct fires over there. That's awesome. Yeah, I'll break the

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01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: fourth wall, as they say. And and you know, we

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: plan this interview like months ahead of time. And I

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: remember originally we're gonna have some man of your boxing

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: up books to send over to troops. And it's awesome

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: to hear you're giving back. I was just like, this

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: place is pretty small, as you can kind of see

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Speaker 1: the ups guys right outside. Yeah, I was, I don't

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: know what we can pull this off. But yeah, these books,

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: as you said, will be signed going out, hundreds more

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: going out. I know that you're someone who's all about

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01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: giving back. Um, if you want to sign the yeah,

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sign them right now while we're live on air,

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: go for it. And UM and go to go to

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01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: a j tata dot com. As you said, if you so,

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: people could send them to to um guys that they

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01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: know men and women stationed over Yeah, so it's they could.

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: But you know, if it goes to the USO, the

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: us O will just distribute them, uh and and get

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: them out to the troops everywhere. And and the pet

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: Tillman Center is the the address and it's on my

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01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: ajata dot com website. So if you want to give back,

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01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. A J dot com. Uh,

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, and these guys will really appreciate it. And

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01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: you should say these men and women of course, right,

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01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: the men and women. And and if you just go there,

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: you get that address and you go to Barnes and

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: Noble dot com or you know any of the other retailers,

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: or you go to bookstore, go to your local bookstore

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: and and ship a book. Uh. But you know, the

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: shipping if you're Barnes and Noble dot com member, the

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: shipping is free to an ap oh address, which is

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: the USO center. Is so Amazon Prime problem Amazon Prime

1309
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: with ship you can send them to any other address

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: if you're a Prime that that's right, that's right. And

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: so you can just gift a book and um, you

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: know the troops. I get a lot of email from

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: downrange overseas. The troops love these books and and I

1314
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: love sending them over there. And and we do every

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01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: every book that comes out. I choose something a little

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: bit different. Last last book, Besiege, back in March, we

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01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: sent a bunch of books the v A hospitals. I

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: signed them and we sent them to VA hospitals around

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: the country and and so I just try to do

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 1: something different. It's part of my social mission to do that.

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah. Um, one last question. As I said that,

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: we're on Twitch, so we actually do have questions coming

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: in on Twitch, which, like I said, is a little newer.

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: But we're trying to you know, go into every avenue

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01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: where people do these live streams, and we're getting great feedback. Um,

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01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: and I know you gotta go. You got other stuff

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: going on, so we'll get to this one last one.

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: Uh the donut Goon, which I do love the name.

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: As a commander of troops in combat, what was one

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01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: of your proudest moments while we eating troops? Great questions? Well, yeah,

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 1: so so many of those. Um, I I would have

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: to say, um that Uh, a young captain I I

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: had been uh telling so this segways perfectly. I had

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01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: been telling him that. There was two thousand six December Afghanistan.

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: I was in bog Room. I was the deputy command

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 1: in general there and we had the Corn and Goall outpost.

1337
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: Many of you probably watched the movie Corn Goall and

1338
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: that was the unit that followed the Tenth Mountain. I

1339
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: was in the tenth Mountain Division at the time, and

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01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: and you know we had about troops in Afghanistan and

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01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: the the I've been telling this captain, Jimmy McKnight, that

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: I would come out to his corn and Goll outpost.

1343
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: And I was bringing bags of too many soldier letters

1344
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: and boxes and everything, and so I told my aid

1345
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: just bag everything up. And so I said, I'll come

1346
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: spend the night with you, um Christmas eve. Uh And

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: that's what every captain wants, right as a general, to

1348
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: spend the night in their in their base camp. And

1349
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: you know usually they like a fifteen minute visit and

1350
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: get get out of there. But uh so snowy, foggy,

1351
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: everything can't fly. And it's about a two hour helicopter flight.

1352
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: Is right along the Pakstan border, about a few miles

1353
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: in and right on that rat line that that this is.

1354
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: This is the area where Lone Survivor happened. And everybody's

1355
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: watching the Loan Survivor movie or read that book. This

1356
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: is the exact same area where all that happened. And

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: we did a big air asault when we first got

1358
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: there and took command of that area and killed or

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 1: captured about two hundred taliban um and and al Qaeda

1360
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: that we're operating that area. And we came in about

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01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: six months after the lone survivor incident had had occurred,

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: so uh that that was important to us to sort of, um,

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01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, stand up for the men that had fallen there.

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: And and so we did that. And and so about

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: a year later, December of oh six, Um, I'm coming

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01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: in on my helicopter and it's up pretty well. Uh

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01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: so Christmas Eve didn't happen. I said, all right, New

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01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: Year's even, well, the same thing. And so I told

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01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: my first fliable day and uh we we um are

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01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: January five, two thousand seven, Um, so ten years ago

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: on my eleven years ago. Now, uh, come flying in

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01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 1: and there's one of those things where you you just

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: know something's wrong you're and it was there's been a

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: lot of combat that morning in that general area we're

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: flying in. You see holes appearing in the side of

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01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: the helicopter and you know you're not popping rivets, and

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01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: and the left engine catches on fire and we do

1378
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: what the pilots call a hard landing, and the base

1379
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: camp there um because it's less paperwork and uh than

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: calling it a crash and and Jimmy McKnight comes up

1381
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: to me and we're piling out of the helicopter and

1382
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: he grabs me by I love this. He grabs me

1383
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: by the body armor and he's a sort of last

1384
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: thing I need is a dead general in my base camp.

1385
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, Jimmy, I'll try to make

1386
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: you a happy man today. And you know, there's uh

1387
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: wearing a three sided ambush. There's machine gun fire RPGs

1388
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: flying everywhere. The crew chief got out of the helicopter

1389
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: to you know, open the door and the left engines

1390
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: on fire in the in the pilots power up and

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01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 1: they ripped the I C. S cord, you know, like

1392
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: like this thing out of his helmet and he's left

1393
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: standing there. As you know, they shut down the left

1394
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: engine and power up with the right engine and bail

1395
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: and we have an apache gunship there. Jimmy McKnight stood

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: there and and right next to us a sergeant vile

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01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: gets shot and and he gets shot in the arm.

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01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: And we're moving to the to the headquarters the the

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01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, he had a dugout down there and the

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: little command post bunker and this sergeant was bleeding hard.

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01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: He tied off his own turn turn a kit and

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: uh he's working on the mortar ballistic computer. So the

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01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, converge sheaf the eighty one millimeter mortar. Guy,

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01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: we had a we had a mortar out there, four

1405
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: deuce mortar and uh the are they they did? I

1406
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: was part of that team by that time. We were

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01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: in combat return fire and all that, and uh the

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01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: the uh he's he's got his arm held like this,

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01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: he's dripping blood on the floor and and he's absolutely

1410
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: going into shock. And I turned to the medic and

1411
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: I say, you might want to look at this guy

1412
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: me while I'm calling Bogram to get air of support,

1413
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: and um, you know, Jimmy is commanding and controlling his troops,

1414
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: and Sergeant vile Um pushes, uh, the medic away and says,

1415
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 1: I'll let you know when you can work on me.

1416
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: And he keeps working on his mortar ballistic computer. He

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01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: keeps shaking because he's going into shock, and he's still

1418
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: bleeding on the floor, and I'm like, where do we

1419
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: get these guys? You know? And and he has taken

1420
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: calls from the forward observer and uh, you know, the

1421
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: medic comes over there on his own accord uh, you know,

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01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: a few minutes later and he says, get away from me.

1423
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: That's not exactly what he said, but you can well,

1424
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, and he said get away from me. And

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: then shortly thereafter you hear the mortar go off and

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01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: it's a first round hit. He had done his job

1427
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: so well that he had inputted the data so well.

1428
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: He'd in and he calculated the machine gun, the main

1429
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: machine gun that was putting bullets through the roof of

1430
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 1: the command post stopped and I and then he put

1431
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: he takes the mortar ballistic computer, pushes it. This is

1432
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: a sergeant, pushes it to a private who's his assistant.

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01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: He turns the medic he says, you can work on me. Now.

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: That's my proudest moment, probably in all of my career,

1435
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: is to think about this young man is wounded. So

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01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: we met a vat him out there. They sent another

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01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: helicopter that night and you know, we you know, we

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01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: left about ten hours later, and you know, it's about

1439
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: a ninety minute to our firefight. And uh we I

1440
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: pin his purple heart on the next morning and and

1441
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: then they fly him to launch Stool and in Germany,

1442
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: the hospital there. Then they spend two months in Walter

1443
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: read two months having his arm reconstructed. And that's that's

1444
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: how severe that was. You know, he was hit with

1445
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: a diska machine gun round and which you know, tore

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01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: bone and flesh apart. This kid, this soldier, this man

1447
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: did his mission before he let the medic work on him.

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01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: And I get emotional about it. So of course, I mean,

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01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: these guys are we've talked about on the show before.

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01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: They're they're not truly these superhumans. They fear like everybody else,

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01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: but in those moments they just go. Yeah, his adrenaline

1452
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: kept going. His adrenaline sort of you know, made it

1453
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: so that he could focus on in his task versus

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01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: that you know, I have no idea what was going

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01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: on in his mind. All I know is he did

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: exactly what he was supposed to do as a mortibility

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01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: computer UM fire direction officer, and he did that. Yeah,

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01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: that's truly heroic. Guys. Where else are you gonna hear

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Speaker 1: set in the past have included gear like custom knives,

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Speaker 1: carrying stuff like from Create Club. Like, I even have

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Speaker 1: the in my wallet. The old multi tool that we have.

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Speaker 1: This was like the earliest crate club. To have this

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Speaker 1: I guess they should put it up to the screen

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Speaker 1: to the podcast, the visual isn't really working. But uh,

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Speaker 1: a weapon on the fly. They're just always putting out

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Speaker 1: awesome stuff. And I don't have it on today, but

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Speaker 1: the Survival belt. We have a belt that has an

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I've said is that no one

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Speaker 1: is It's like very discreet. Look. No one would know

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Speaker 1: that you're bringing that into anywhere. So it's just so

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Speaker 1: cool to have that. We have all this great stuff. Um.

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Speaker 1: j Tata on Facebook, uh and also a ja dot

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Speaker 1: this happened less? Is this the tradition that every time

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Speaker 1: you're in here you do still cover? You want some

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Speaker 1: of my water here and go for it? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can take whatever you what. You're welcome. I did

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Speaker 1: three TV shows and now I've talked for an hour.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's funny that this has happened, and

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Speaker 1: it happened at the end both times you've been on,

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Speaker 1: so you you have to do it a third time.

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Speaker 1: It's you're cue that like, I gotta get out of here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, at And it's a J A T A

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Speaker 1: May eight or Reaper Ghost Target, the first of another series,

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Speaker 1: the Bick Harwood series is going to come out with

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Speaker 1: our friend Nick the Reaper Irving. Um, if you could

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Speaker 1: talk any last words, Hey, thanks to everybody. Thanks Ian,

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Speaker 1: you're you're great, and uh, I think your listeners are great.

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Speaker 1: And and I am completely talked out because I did

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Speaker 1: three TV shows one in an hour here, so over

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Speaker 1: an hour here, I think we went. I think we went.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, um we went over we went just about

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half. So this is excellent. UM

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Speaker 1: covered a real wide array of subjects, everything from North

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Speaker 1: Korea to Iran to the book. Yeah. Good session, and

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Speaker 1: I'm headed over to Barnes and Noble. If you can talk, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing a rading, thank you, thank god. So

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Speaker 1: but I'll be signing books on the fifth Avenue Barns

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Speaker 1: and awesome. Thanks so much for tuning in, guys. We've

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Speaker 1: got some great feedback on this one, UM, and we'll

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Speaker 1: have another episode up for you guys on Friday. Jack

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Speaker 1: Murphy is going to be back next month, which our

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Speaker 1: editor in chief just shot a show on Discovery Channel

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Speaker 1: about the mysterious death of Nicola Tesla, so that should

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Speaker 1: be pretty interesting. Um As always leave a review on

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