WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Raphael Saadiq Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:10.720 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.200 As you know, we had an epic conversation with the 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:20.240 one and only former Tony Tony Tony and rape El Sadik. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.040 This episode we continue that conversation with part two. He 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.280 talks about more of a solo career, making records, he 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.239 talks about score movies, He talks about all the other 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.920 artists that he's worked with. Really interesting tippets for your 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:40.559 music heads out there. This is part duo, partdiuh of 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.560 Raphael s One Quest Love Supreme. Hope you enjoy it. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.440 You know how many other random stories do you have 0:00:58.600 --> 0:00:58.800 like that? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.960 Because you just drive me one too, But that's that's 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:02.760 my favorite one. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.040 Oh my god, Wait a minute, I don't I don't 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.520 even want to skip. I gotta ask you something yes 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.280 or no. And this is without blowing up your spot. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.520 I already know where you're going with no. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:15.480 No, no, I don't think you know. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.319 Is the four tops strung out for your love? 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.440 Does that mean anything to you? 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:23.759 You got me strong out? 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.559 No, it's it's it's it's on the Catfish record nineteen 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:28.160 seventy seven. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.160 I mean every record means something to me, but not 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.600 like that. I don't know. Okay, I'm curious to what 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:34.000 do you think? 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.360 Let me let me let me then ask who who 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.200 was who was the creative head behind I couldn't keep 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.800 it to myself me all right, I'm just asking. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.680 No, there there's uh similarities. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.960 There's yeah, there's. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.760 There's there's a song on that Catfish record from nineteen 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.600 seventy seven that is literally the twin of that and 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.040 I was like, oh damn, they made they made the 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.320 their version of that song. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:02.600 But I mean I. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.520 Felt like that's I felt like those two core progressions 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.560 back and forth was a lot of different. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.080 Records exactly like anyone. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.120 Because that's what I'm saying is like a Sam Smith's situation, 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.280 like anyone could have picked. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.919 That song call not that close but right now? 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.880 Which now House of Music for for House of Music? 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.520 Was that just your derivative challenge album where it's just like, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.600 I'm gonna do my of this song and that song. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.600 Man, my whole career is that I know. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:38.959 But this this album, did anyone from Navana's camp ever 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.440 get at you about Let's get down? 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.640 Because because because to me, I think they got that. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.679 I thought that was from a derivive, a derivative of 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.560 alshow get down, get not getting not cool in the game. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:59.160 But uh, I'm your boogey man. That's what. Yeah, like 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.600 they got a song. It sounds like that too. With that, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.440 come on, let's get down. They got a joint like 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.200 that too. But the way the way I was singing 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.760 that song, I started singing it like it was an 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.280 effect on my voice, and then I put an effect 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.760 on my I was sunging come on, I start doing that. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.880 But but Casey in the Sunshine Band got a joint. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.480 It's just like that. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:29.160 Really a second, I thought you were about to say no. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.359 Their version goes. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:35.960 Ding ding ding ding ding ding. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:41.320 Right, McDonald's and McDonald's, So for. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.080 Me, for me, I gotta bring up all right. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.240 Yes, well, we'll enter some sort of talk of what 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:52.360 they do, but can you please talk about how you 0:03:54.160 --> 0:04:05.760 discovered the great Spanky Chalmers Alfred Yeah, sure, man, the guitarist. God, oh, 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.600 my mom, it's funny. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.360 My mom is eighty nine now, and she she had 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.160 she has uh, she's lost some of her short term memory. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.800 But one thing she never forgets to say to me 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.919 every other day is I showed miss Spankey. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:22.840 Wow. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:28.000 All the time. Spanky lived with me for a long time, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:33.120 and so what happened was Spanky growing up in Oakland 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.000 and listening to gospel quartet. Spanky was sort of the 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.800 king of that, and I didn't know him for years. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.640 I just knew his music. I knew how he played. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.520 And at one point, Uh, the last album was House 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.960 and Music, I think the Tony's last album was. And 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.080 we had these musicians that everybody thought I needed to 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.720 make music. This is when the Tony sort of split up. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:56.599 Mm hmm. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.120 It was like outcast, get my sided the album and 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.440 they did their sided album. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.279 And was there a mutual coach in the middle that 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.679 sort of make that happen. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.440 Yeah, For years, I couldn't really understand what I did, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.400 you know, because there's always two sides to a story, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.560 and sometime you like to point. If you're on one side, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.599 you could point the finger. But I never knew what happened. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.080 So we were getting together and we're going to record together. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.600 We had this house Jerry Brown was gonna record. The 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.800 whole thing was we were going to bring the press 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.680 all to one house. They're gonna interview us before we 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.080 put this album. That was gonna be a part of 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.000 the press Humble marketing plan. Then I get a call 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.000 and they were like, you record your side by yourself 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.640 and we will record our side ourselves. So they took 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.600 the guitar player that we had at the time. It 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.040 took him. So they was like, well, if he doesn't 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.159 have the guitar player, he can't be do what he do. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:06:00.159 I don't know whatever. So I get yeah exactly. So 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:05.000 I get home and my mother has a friend named Frankie, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.880 and if somebody at my house said Frankie called you, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.880 I called him back, my mother's friend. This guy was 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.719 kind of like my godfather. But he said this, I said, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.520 Frankie said, no, this is Spanky. He says, Spanky. Who's 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.080 Spanky Charmers? I said the guitar player, Spanky. I was like, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.159 put something on it. I said, where's your guitar play? 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.120 He played the guitar on the phone, And next day 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.240 I had him at my house in Sacramento and we 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.760 was in sear. I let him leave after a let 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:40.120 it guy. So I got him and we recorded that 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.160 album we recorded with you. We recorded with a lot 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.200 of different people, and he sort of wanted to teach 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.920 me to play, but I just thought it was impossible 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.920 to learn how to play that good. So some things 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.159 I did learn, I kicked it. I kicked myself every 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.080 day for not you know, sitting down with him more 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.760 as I should have. But I really want introduce him 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.800 to people like yourself and being different people. And he 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.359 got a chance to meet people like Pino because he 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.359 was so well respected in the gospel. Feel I felt 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.120 like his talent would lend himself to so many people. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.440 And I was just, you know, happy to have him 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.240 in my life as much as I did. But that's 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.640 how I actually met Spanky. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.760 How old was he? He was an older guy. About 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:21.240 how old was he? 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.240 Yeah, he was the older guy. But this guy could teach. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.600 I mean, for many years, people would knock on my door, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.520 my house, my studio, I'm here for Spanky, Spanky's I 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.720 got a guitar lesson with Spanky or even the album 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.800 that he played the Voodoo album on. He played his 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.640 guitar that my I bought from my uncle for like 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.480 three hundred and fifty dollars. Some guys sold him Gibson. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.679 I let Spanky use the guitar. He played it all 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.640 over the album and it was my guitar, but when 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.480 it was time to give it back, Spanky didn't want 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.800 to give it back, so and Spanky kind of fell out. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.440 I was like, Spanky, I just let you use it. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.600 But it's my guitar. It is day. People still come 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.840 by my studio and they just want to look at 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:05.360 that guitar. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:06.880 You still have that guitar? 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.720 Still got it? Wow, we play. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.120 You've of course met Sharky, correct. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.480 I met Sharky a million times. Amazing. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:16.840 Yeah. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.600 The story that tells me about Sharky was like he 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.400 met Sharky when Sharky was like maybe thirteen, twelve or thirteen, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:30.560 and it's so weird. It's so weird meeting like and 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.760 this is the same for like DJ Harrison, Like there's there's. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.280 A slew of. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.800 Gen Z or millennial gen Z you know, born in 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.200 eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety that or it's like 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.520 seven or eight when the stuff is coming out and 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.640 how it affects them, Like there's at least five cats 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:55.240 I know now, four of them who've never met Spanky ever. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.240 And it's it's as if it's like I know, you 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.920 know when people say, like, well the spirit of blah 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.439 blah blah and them, Like, I fully believe that because 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:13.800 I've never seen such a mythical figure like Spanky and 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.200 his story and the legend. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.439 Of Spanky like now spread out through the industs. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:26.640 Yeah, it's just something to believe and like in right now, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.600 Like I don't know if you've been back to Oakland 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.560 interf you're still like heavy into it, Like do you 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.640 still meet musicians that are like just off kilter like that, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.600 that are like killing that no one will ever know about. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.920 But like just local cats. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.960 There's there's a couple I haven't met anybody. I haven't 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.520 met anybody like that, but I know there's there's a 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.800 few people brewing. You know in every department, you know, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.960 a beat makers, samplers, keyboard players. If you if you 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.520 keep your eyes open, this is it's gonna be another one. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.760 But that was that one, right there was a special 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.320 one because he was so good. But he was always 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.200 keen on making records. You know, if he worked with somebody, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.199 he wanted to give you a part that that can 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.200 make a record. Like every time I play you know 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.840 what they do when they go Laren playing, Darren Planning, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:25.280 Blarn Laryn Clarinho, Blannard bla bl blonard. Now I still 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.000 on the guitar and I try to learn those parts 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.760 now and I pretty much got it. But I'm not 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.040 as nice as Spank. You know. Spank is like I 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.160 got hard bass fingers. I play really hard, but just 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.200 knowing like to put him in one of the greatest 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.600 hip hop bands ever. You know, to you guys that 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.560 Grace Philly put that on your record. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:44.720 When I was. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.360 Working with you guys in the record, I feel like 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.679 I have to do nothing. You got the best, you 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.560 gotta you gotta guy to rap in your group that 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:55.839 could rap for sixty ninety months, But I'll stop. You 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.360 got you Who's just gonna play a beat that everybody like? 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.880 I got Spanky playing guitar. I have to do nothing 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:07.920 but whisper something that was it? So that's him. Wow. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.719 I mean I had. All I had to do was 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:15.120 matching me a drums boom boom boom boom. So people 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.400 say you produced that record, I was like, bruh, that's 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.199 like being Phil Jackson with Jordan on the team. I 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.960 don't know if that's producing. That's called a that's called 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.040 a perfect storm in a room with the best people. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.400 Sometimes less is more and that trust me that helped, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.240 that everything about that should helped. I also like to 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.360 know you were the person that also taught me the 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.760 one thing that my girlfriend hates, which is abusing my awards. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.079 When I got to your house, your American Music Award 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:54.760 was your doorstop. That's when I was like, well, you know, stop, 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.280 so I've used every grammar I ever had, like bathroom, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.920 all that stuff, And you know, is that is that 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.840 American Music a Wards still like somewhere in the draft somewhere. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:09.280 Probably you know is probably I just said. I just 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.720 remember I did this interview and I forgot that that 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.240 thing was in the corner man and somewhere, and this 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.280 lady wrote, yeah, his American Music Awards was like in 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.599 the corner with like dust all over him, like I 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:23.280 just never. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.960 When we went on that night, I was like, yo, man, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.800 his award was a doorstopper. And I was like, yeah, man, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.520 I want to be that famous one day where I 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.240 just don't give a fuck. We're my grad that's woman 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.640 do when I get my ship and. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.760 You know what, a guy first went right on the toilet. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:38.559 I was like, I'm gonna top of you. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.079 Fel one of the guys from around your Way to 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:47.040 the famous Tom Bell. I met Tom Bell through his 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.360 daughter one time. I was walking down the street and 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.840 I'm like, hey, in San Francisco. I said, you look familiar, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.760 he said, I'm not. Before she said, you know, it 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.640 sounded like a one liner. She was cute, and she goes, yeah, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.040 I'm Tom Bell's daughter, and I go, Damn. She said, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.960 that's that's what you said last time you met me. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.200 So I said, come to the show. She comes to 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.280 the show. We're walking down the street. She put Tom 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.280 Bell on the phone. Tom Bell tells me don't worry 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.280 about awards, Grammys, any and that stuff. He said, because 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.080 when I the I R s come to your house, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:20.839 they leave those on the mantelpiece. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.440 Damn, that ain't even real goal. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.560 And so then one of my then one of my 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.800 friends who got a drug case and one of my 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.400 good friends, and he wanted me to bail them out. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.280 And so the Bell people came to my house and 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.360 they wanted me to sign my They wanted me to 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.960 uh sign my house's collateral. So guy I grew up 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.000 with and I was like, I'm not putting up my 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.400 house collateral. In my head like I'm doing that, even 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.560 though I knew he wasn't gonna run, but they was 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.719 offering him nine year, nine year deal. They wanted to 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.320 cut his locks off. He wasn't doing none of that. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.400 So the lady and her daughter they look up at 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.720 my wall and they see all these gold albums. She goes, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.280 what about four those? And I did like this, they 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:06.000 don't mean nothing. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:06.959 They don't mean nothing. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.599 Do I act like a billion dollars? I was like, 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.040 are you're acting? 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:13.560 I love it? 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.160 Okay, maybe I could part which is maybe four for 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.160 a little while too. They took those gold albums down 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.000 like they was worth a million dollars apiece? 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.440 Are gold albums gold? 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.640 No about? I mean? 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.280 Thank you for Yeah, they're not anyone get question honest question? 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.840 Sorry? 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.960 Wait yeah, Ray, that's hilarious. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.240 I gotta say that your your your work with with 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.400 G one and and DJ Quick definitely felt like was 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.400 a marriage made in heaven. I always wanted to know 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.120 why you didn't do more with them, or at least 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:57.320 in that period. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.400 You're good, you really good questions. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:03.320 I'm a fan. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.920 Yeah, I want to ask you about Jaking the fat 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.920 Man too. After this that's going. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.040 Yeah, yeah, but I wanted to know, why do you 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:10.840 want to DJ? 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.520 Quick didn't work with you more, which led you and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:15.680 I love your work with Jake and fat Man. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:15.920 Two. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.200 What happened was they Jake and the fat Man is just 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:27.760 scratched them. They're just terrible people. Damn ok wow, I 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.800 worth talking about. Scept Bobby, the guy who programmed drums, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.680 was like really good. He was more like he was 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.240 more like trying to be like a dealer. He I've 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.280 always needed drum programmers to to finish what I like 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.920 to do, and he was that. But the rest of 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.200 it was not even not worth anything talking about. But 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.760 back to Quick in g one. The reason why we 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.040 didn't do more songs because it was a budget thing 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.600 and I wanted to do three songs with him, but 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.240 the band kept saying it was too much money. So 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.440 every time I would say it was okay, Quick would 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.560 come back to me and said, lawyer said it wasn't okay. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.160 So after three times I asked my brother, who's saying 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.400 no when I'm saying yes? So we were going to 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.760 get about three songs for probably forty five thousand dollars, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.680 which was a deal. Quick Yeah, and Quick was being 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.000 really cool with us, and they wouldn't. They were never 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.360 okay to budget, So we end up only doing one 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.200 which we would have follow up songs, and it was 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.640 less get down and pretty much nobody showed up to 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 the sessions but me. So that was the band, wasn't it. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.760 That was just me and Quick in G One Wow. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.120 And that's why we didn't get more songs. I wanted 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.160 three songs, so if we have this record, we'd have 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.360 a follow up and a follow up. You know, you're young, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.560 you know, you know knowledge is wasted on the young. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.160 You know, we didn't didn't know, you. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:59.560 Know, towards the end of House of Music, did you 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.400 know that this is the end of my tenure with 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.640 with Tony to. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.720 Yeah, I was short of the dummy and that in 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.439 that one, because I think I went to like the 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.600 President was like, yeah, this is my last album, and 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.760 I had written more than half the songs. And so 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.240 that's a mistake you don't do when you because they 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.320 would have promoted the song even more the albums if 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.399 I said I was doing the next album right. And 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.040 so instead of putting the money into us, they put 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.680 into the other little group. They had those little three kids. Uh, 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.280 I forget the name of them. Now three little white kids, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.119 little pop group all for whime. They were Brothers now 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.960 Nicholas before them. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.240 Was it was it all? It wasn't. It wasn't. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.240 Like there's that type of group like t r L 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:54.880 group or. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.200 Yeah, I saw with a t r S the something 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:10.560 brothers like a hands not a t Yeah, it was Handsen. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.800 So once I came back like, you know, yeah, I 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.760 don't think I'm gonna do any more records and solo 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.800 record and so what they did, they just made the 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.040 money back that they put out on this and and 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:29.560 they can't be moving that move on my part. But 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.159 I was definitely, I definitely knew that I didn't know 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.760 if I was going to do a solo record. I 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.240 was really confused because I really loved being in bands 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.480 and so you know. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.840 Yeah, which leads to the the original Lucy Pearl, which 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:41.960 was supposed to be. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.440 Delroy Li Rose. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:52.920 Yeah, talk about your Uma slash lim Wip Rose slash 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.600 like your side groups and the idea of the super 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:57.399 group that sort of. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.119 I mean, yes, Lucy Pearl got off the ground, but 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:04.160 you know, well the. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.199 First the first one was gonna be Lambert Rose, but 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:12.200 with Michael Archer and and and Uh and Q Tip. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.320 Kamar and was in this as well. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:17.600 Lamar was part of Lynwald Rose. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.200 I did that. I did not know. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:21.840 Okay, it was. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.600 Us three, but you know those are my really good friends, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:30.119 and we're we're very left brain people, right, and we're artists. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.919 And at the time d was hottest, you know, he 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.480 was hotter than Fish Crease at this point. So you 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.000 know his defense, he couldn't really stop to do that, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.439 you know what I mean, He couldn't stop to do that, 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.960 and he wasn't gonna stop to do that, but he 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.720 wanted to do it. Chip kind of wanted to do it, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.320 but with all of us being so left brained, it 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.560 just it could have never worked, you know what I mean. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.199 I mean, you know the story better than me. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.040 So speaking the. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.800 Way before, I forget what exactly did you do on midnight? 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.120 Because I asked Bob Power all the time, like Raphael 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:08.520 has credit on Midnight on Midnight on Midnight, Marauders, is 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.800 that you on BASSI is that your fuzz line? 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.320 No, that's me on the night is on my mind? 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.440 Yeah? Well the song is called. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.240 Playing Bass Midnight. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:23.359 Oh, that's in Playing Bass okay, okay, right, yeah, I'm 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.200 thinking it's the guitar organ. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.800 My claim to fame is I'm the only R and 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 B cat on one of the biggest hip hop albums 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.480 in the world, like Shut It Down, Drop the Mic. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.639 I don't want to hear it hip hop fans, I 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.199 don't want to hear it Living Dreams. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.159 You came out to play with them, uh the first 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.640 Like me and Tarik went to a tried New Year 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.200 shill in New York and you came out and played 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:48.760 bass with him. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.280 We was like, like losing our minds. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:56.080 Yeah, I love hip hop is just so I mean, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.359 so it's so bass heavy for me and I just 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.640 like when I first heard when I first heard rappers 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.280 the light when I was a kid came on the 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.280 radio or I was like and it wasn't good times. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.040 I was like what is this. I was like, oh, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.159 it's on, and from there it was all about it 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:14.760 was all about New York hip hop for me. I 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.520 just always, I mean, I just always like the Brownstones. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.240 I was in love with Brownstones. I didn't even know 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.960 what they were called, you know. I actually like when 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.640 I saw roun DMC come to Oakland and they got 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.520 off the tour bus and Hurricane and all these jackets 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.040