WEBVTT - Two Chainsaws and an Inflatable Pool.  The D4vd Murder Case Keeps Getting Worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Thursday, April thirtieth, and a story that we

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<v Speaker 2>already thought was just unthinkable actually keeps getting worse now

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<v Speaker 2>that prosecutors have released new graphic details about their case

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<v Speaker 2>against singer David and with that, welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Roobes. It was horrible before we got all these details.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe the details that have been released now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is some monstrous, methodical stuff we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 4>And prosecutors said it best when they called it horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>That is, there's no other word to describe it. And

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps this is one of those cautionary tales for the defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Be careful what you wish for, or be careful what

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<v Speaker 4>you asked for. They pushed for this evidence to be

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<v Speaker 4>released immediately, and my goodness, given what we've just read

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<v Speaker 4>and seen, why would they want that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they pushed in. What's the other thing they've said?

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<v Speaker 2>We said at the very beginning when David was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>real name David Anthony Burke, twenty one year old singer

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<v Speaker 2>charged with first degree murder in the death of fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old Celestribus Hernandez. When they first came out with

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<v Speaker 2>their statement. You and I said, wow, we've read a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of statements from attorneys over the years who kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, they'll be cute with some words here

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<v Speaker 2>or there. They came out in a full throated defense.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to show this dude is innocent. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to hear them.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a one word response to that.

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<v Speaker 1>How can't wait?

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<v Speaker 3>When you see what.

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<v Speaker 4>The prosecutors were about to go through the page filing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a new evidentiary filing that the prosecutors were

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<v Speaker 4>forced to present because of David's attorneys pushing this process

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<v Speaker 4>quickly along, which is very unusual. Most of the time,

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<v Speaker 4>defense teams want time to go through the evidence, prepare

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<v Speaker 4>their defense. They don't want this all put out for

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<v Speaker 4>public consumption. And yet here we are with eight pages

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<v Speaker 4>of the worst horror movie I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So this sets up, folks says we were about to

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<v Speaker 2>go through robes is that he was arrested with April sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth when he was arrested. All right, this case has

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<v Speaker 2>been going on for months. We were waiting to see

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<v Speaker 2>what was gonna happen, And they're going to arrest him.

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<v Speaker 2>They finally arrest him, we don't get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>details robes. So we got a few early on which

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<v Speaker 2>were that they said he was in some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>inappropriate sexual relationship with this girl when she was under age.

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<v Speaker 2>She threatened his career in some way, and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he had to kill her. That is essentially as most

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<v Speaker 2>as we got that got us to this point. We

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to get hearing this week, and this evidence

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<v Speaker 2>has now been presented in a new filing. You're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this eight pager robes it goes through. If this,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you begin to even defense put a defense up.

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<v Speaker 1>If they have what they say they have.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, from text messages to forensics like DNA linking the

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<v Speaker 4>death of Celestrivus Hernandez to.

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<v Speaker 3>David and his home.

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<v Speaker 4>They have just a number of items that he purchased

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<v Speaker 4>which would lead to how he dismembered her.

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<v Speaker 3>According to prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 4>So look from the relationship which was inappropriate, the text

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<v Speaker 4>messages between the two, a clear motive that they've established,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the physical evidence they have. This is a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty overwhelming case against singer David.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, where you want to start.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's start with perhaps you know, can I say something

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<v Speaker 4>that was really interesting to me. I didn't realize this

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<v Speaker 4>we've been talking, as we've been telling the story that

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<v Speaker 4>Celestia had been missing for a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize when she was first reported missing in

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<v Speaker 4>February of twenty twenty four, where those flyers went up.

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<v Speaker 4>Later that month, she came back home and her parents

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<v Speaker 4>took her cell phone away because they knew she was

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<v Speaker 4>having this relationship. I didn't realized that, and that then

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<v Speaker 4>he drove the almost two hours to her house to

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<v Speaker 4>pay off a classmate to buy her a phone so

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<v Speaker 4>that he could continue to communicate with her. And then

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds like in twenty twenty four, he took her

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<v Speaker 4>all around the world, whisked her around with him, and

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<v Speaker 4>brought her with him everywhere from London to the Hamptons.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize all that was going on, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize you talk about that missing. She resurfaced

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<v Speaker 2>and was reported missing again. And when she was reported

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<v Speaker 2>missing again, Rose, this might be one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>devastating details that I, for whatever reason, she's never seen again.

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<v Speaker 2>What they believe it was April twenty third, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>is when he killed her. Well, on April twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, he put her in an uber and she

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<v Speaker 2>was driven to his home and she was never seen again.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you have you well, it was just April

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<v Speaker 4>twenty third. Yeah, he sent an uber to pick her up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was never seen again. He was reported missing,

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<v Speaker 2>they say again after that moment robes he They say,

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<v Speaker 2>lurd was the word they kept using previously. Now we're

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<v Speaker 2>understanding a little better what they're talking about. He put

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<v Speaker 2>her in an uber to bring her to him, to

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<v Speaker 2>her death.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's pretty disturbing. So he says that she arrived.

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<v Speaker 4>At his home at ten ten PM, and then at

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<v Speaker 4>about ten thirty that night, he texted her to say

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<v Speaker 4>where are you as a pre premeditated cover up for

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that he had just murdered her. They believe

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<v Speaker 4>she arrived at ten ten and by ten thirty she

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<v Speaker 4>was already dead. And then here's the big deal. After

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<v Speaker 4>he was texting her, they see that a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 4>where are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you?

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<v Speaker 4>He never tried to contact her again after April twenty sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>I said the and they know her phone there was

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<v Speaker 2>no activity, So that's why they're so sure about when

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<v Speaker 2>she died. But Robes, we the premeditated part we heard about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right after he was arrested. Now they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>he actually was sending messages to her phone and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to cover up that they like to act like for

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<v Speaker 2>later when they're looking at me, I'll this will be

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<v Speaker 2>proof that I was just looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in a new Bern. She never came to

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<v Speaker 3>my house.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing, how about this, So this all happened

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<v Speaker 4>on the night of April twenty third. On April twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four fourth, the following day, he gave a radio interview

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<v Speaker 4>and had a record release party promoting his new album,

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<v Speaker 4>which came out the following day on April twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 3>So the timing of.

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<v Speaker 2>That, it doesn't make any I mean, okay, he's an

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<v Speaker 2>innocent man. Robes, until proven guilty. This look, We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cases recently, Robes. I haven't seen one

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<v Speaker 2>that is this overwhelming in evidence. I have not seen

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<v Speaker 2>one so disturbing.

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to quote from the filing from the

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<v Speaker 4>prosecutors about what they had to say, knowing he had

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<v Speaker 4>to silence the victim before she ruined his music career,

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<v Speaker 4>as she had threatened. Very soon after her arrival at

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<v Speaker 4>his home, defendant the victim to death multiple times and

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<v Speaker 4>stood by while she bled out. At no time did

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<v Speaker 4>he call law enforcement or nine to one one or

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<v Speaker 4>take her to an emergency room to attempt to save

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<v Speaker 4>her life.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a fourteen year old girl, always talking about

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<v Speaker 2>he was what at the time to see would have

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<v Speaker 2>been twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>He would have been twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>And they said that there are text messages leading up

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<v Speaker 4>to this day on April twenty third, that reveal Celeste's

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<v Speaker 4>jealousy over his relationships with other women. As they claim

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<v Speaker 4>he led her to believe that he and Celeste had

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<v Speaker 4>a future together and she became extremely upset and threatened

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<v Speaker 4>to disclose their inappropriate relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have these text messages, they say, some of

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<v Speaker 2>this back and forth. But Robe's other thing that came out.

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<v Speaker 2>This relationship they say started when she was what thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>at least sexual one. He was eighteen, but they had

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<v Speaker 2>been in touch for years prior to that, since she

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<v Speaker 2>was eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Id's I don't understand that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I as you could argue he was a kid

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<v Speaker 2>himself at the time, Well, he would have been what

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen maybe maybe people will.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at it some way differently. There.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he gets to eighteen and nineteen and twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Robes, she's thirteen years old, So yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize Robes that, as they explained, there seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be more time, more history, more years, more depth.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you can forgive me for that one to

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship, then I certainly previously understood they were in

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<v Speaker 2>a full on relationship. She broke up with him and

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<v Speaker 2>then got jealous, and there was a back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>At least Robes that sounded like a normal, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>relationship between two consenting adults.

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<v Speaker 4>Except for that she was far, yes, beneath the age

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<v Speaker 4>of consent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she wrote to him.

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<v Speaker 4>They showed some text messages about all we do is

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<v Speaker 4>have sex and just hang out.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I want more than that for myself.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, they discussed their sexual relationship in these texts.

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<v Speaker 4>It's undeniable, according to prosecutors, back and forth and back

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<v Speaker 4>and forth. But they also say that when you look

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<v Speaker 4>at these text messages, it clearly shows how David was

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<v Speaker 4>manipulating her because he was an adult and she was

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<v Speaker 4>a child.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you okay he is an innocent man until

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<v Speaker 2>proven guilty. Now, all this we've discussed, now Robes, it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds awful. You can't even imagine that this story can

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<v Speaker 2>get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time they release a new detailed about this story,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, are you freaking kidding me? This gets more

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<v Speaker 2>and more monstrous, which includes robes, all of these orders

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<v Speaker 2>he made and his Amazon and Postmate deliveries. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>freaking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>It's sickening.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, so he purchased will explain an inflatable pool, two chainsaws,

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<v Speaker 4>a shovel, a body bag, heavy duty laundry bags, and

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<v Speaker 4>other materials under a fictitious name Victoria Mendez.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea why he used that.

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<v Speaker 4>Name, but got all of these items delivered to his home.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the dates.

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<v Speaker 2>What was April twenty fourth, You have the day in May,

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<v Speaker 2>April and May, and then there was a later one

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<v Speaker 2>in July that got me. So let's start with what

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<v Speaker 2>he ordered. Chainsaws. I guess that's pretty self explanatory. Bodybags,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pretty self explanatory props. Yes, you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosecutors made a point to point out how

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<v Speaker 2>important that inflatable swimming pool was.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they say that he basically dismembered her body in

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<v Speaker 4>this inflatable pool to try and stop the blood from

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<v Speaker 4>spilling onto his garage floor, which it still did, because

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<v Speaker 4>that is among the evidence that prosecutors say they now have,

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<v Speaker 4>which is DNA from Celestrivus Fernandez from this blood stain

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<v Speaker 4>that they found in the garage. But the inflatable pool

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<v Speaker 4>was meant to prevent that from happening.

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<v Speaker 2>IW that what that suggests ro you're talking about premedage.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a lot of thought and landing into what

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<v Speaker 2>he did. Maybe not initially, but we've seen another case

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<v Speaker 2>like this recently. Forgive me, I can't remember the guy's name,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a dismemberment case that sure enough, after

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<v Speaker 2>they believe the woman died, the guy goes out, they

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<v Speaker 2>have all these receipts of all this stuff he started

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<v Speaker 2>buying to try to chop up and get.

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<v Speaker 1>Rid of a body. This plays exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that, yes, because they believe, yes, he used those

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<v Speaker 4>two chainsaws and some other tools they said, to dismember

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<v Speaker 4>her body in that inflatable pool, and then he amputated.

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<v Speaker 4>We mentioned we knew this that he amputated two fingers.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not the tattoo because they did actually use

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<v Speaker 4>that to help identify her body. Initially, he amputated her

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<v Speaker 4>left ring and pinky fingers, according to prosecutors, because they

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<v Speaker 4>say her ring finger contained a tattoo of his name.

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<v Speaker 4>Now those fingers have not been found, they have not

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<v Speaker 4>been recovered, but according to people who knew her, she

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<v Speaker 4>had his name on her ringing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I will give you krit this is and you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>you caught that detail. Like this case has been studied

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<v Speaker 2>since September. When I say studied by internet sleuths. They've

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<v Speaker 2>been on top of this story since her body was

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<v Speaker 2>found last September and connecting and piecing together her relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with David, and they finding old live streams, they're finding

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<v Speaker 2>old photos, and they kind of pieced together their relationship online.

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<v Speaker 2>And one thing they pointed out Robes was she appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to have that tattoo on her finger. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>first heard the fingers had been ammutated, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks jumped to that conclusion immediately. I remember being on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast with you and you say, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the right hand, it's not the correct hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't understand, but you caught. We've been following

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<v Speaker 2>the story so closely that you knew immediately that's the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong hand.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the wrong hand. It was the left hand. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know what that says to me. She put his

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<v Speaker 4>name on her left ring finger. She wanted to marry

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<v Speaker 4>this guy. She wanted to marry him. She was in

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<v Speaker 4>love with him. You don't put someone's name on your

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<v Speaker 4>left ring finger unless that's the person who you think

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to marry.

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<v Speaker 1>But you also do it if you're thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know any better, and a grown man's manipulating you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, it was serious to her. It was more

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<v Speaker 2>significant to her. I don't doubt that at all. But

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<v Speaker 2>she is a baby, a baby, And to hear, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets worse. It's almost some stuff I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>I would rather not hear. Let me just let me

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<v Speaker 2>hear the charge, not the details. To think this happened

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<v Speaker 2>to a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it's just awful.

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<v Speaker 4>And when we come back, there are even more details

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<v Speaker 4>why that pool is so important, what his friends and

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<v Speaker 4>business associated associates notice, and how they are sure that

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<v Speaker 4>David is the one who parked that tesla a few

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<v Speaker 4>blocks away from his home. Welcome back everyone to this

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<v Speaker 4>episode of Amy and TJ, where we are going over there.

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<v Speaker 4>The horrified, the grizzly, the unthinkable, the stomach turning details

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<v Speaker 4>about what prosecutors allege singer David did to fourteen year

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<v Speaker 4>old Celeste Reeves Hernandez, from their relationship which was wildly

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<v Speaker 4>inappropriate and criminal, to the murder itself, the motive behind it,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the method to how he got rid of

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<v Speaker 4>her body. It's all beyond disturbing these eight pages this

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<v Speaker 4>court filing. Just when you think the story can't get

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<v Speaker 4>more shocking, it does. I found this particular detail. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if you did, Babe, to just be so

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<v Speaker 4>deeply concerning and also confusing why it took them so

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<v Speaker 4>long to arrest him. Apparently David was lying to his friends,

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<v Speaker 4>to his business associates, and to other people who had

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<v Speaker 4>come over to his home or be in his vehicle

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<v Speaker 4>and complain.

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<v Speaker 3>About the strong smell of decay.

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<v Speaker 4>Several people commented to him and said aloud, why does

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<v Speaker 4>your home smell like a rotting body.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unmistakable, frankly, that smell and robes.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest question through all that, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>they have dates on those visits and when people were

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<v Speaker 2>over to the house. But I thought it was crazy

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<v Speaker 2>that they said July seventh is when he ordered a

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<v Speaker 2>bum cage, a cage to be used to essentially want

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<v Speaker 2>to burn some stuff, get rid of something. Robes, if

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<v Speaker 2>he's still planning and trying to get rid of her

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<v Speaker 2>body she disappeared in April, Where is her body? Where

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<v Speaker 2>is he storing her from April to July, robes and

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<v Speaker 2>then obviously goes on to September. But Robes all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff he or how long does it take a body

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<v Speaker 2>to start smelling and decaying? Days?

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<v Speaker 3>Days, babe.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, Burke was the last person to

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<v Speaker 4>drive that vehicle. They can actually place him in the

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<v Speaker 4>Tesla where he parked it on July twenty ninth, so

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<v Speaker 4>we know that that's when her body was, at least

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<v Speaker 4>at that point put in his car. But yes, that

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<v Speaker 4>is a significant amount of time for a body to

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<v Speaker 4>be decomposing in a body bag.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in the house, then, I mean that suggests

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<v Speaker 2>it was her body was in the house the whole time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had people coming over.

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<v Speaker 4>He had people coming over complaining about a smell. Now

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<v Speaker 4>there was also small blue plastic fragments that they found

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<v Speaker 4>embedded and Celestes remains, and it was a physical match,

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<v Speaker 4>an absolute match to the blue fragments from the blue

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<v Speaker 4>inflatable pool, so they can directly tie her body to

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<v Speaker 4>that pool, which was purchased by David on Amazon and

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<v Speaker 4>delivered to his home.

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<v Speaker 3>So these are just all of these. There are so.

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<v Speaker 4>Many dots that they have connected, pointing all back to

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<v Speaker 4>singer David. Also, people had made note of the trips

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<v Speaker 4>he was allegedly taking to Santa Barbara. They didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>what that was all about. Well, apparently they found items

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<v Speaker 4>from Celeste in the area where he was in Santa Barbara,

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<v Speaker 4>including her passport and other identifiable items. So again they

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<v Speaker 4>can directly from a GPS standpoint pinpoint him to the

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<v Speaker 4>location where they found some of her items that had

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<v Speaker 4>been discarded. So it's just one thing after another legally evidentiary.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all pointing to David.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Burke will wait, right, we always do this in

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<v Speaker 2>cases robes. We hear overwhelming evidence and then we hear

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<v Speaker 2>the defense make a defense, and we go, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>we'll listen, but this is unbelievable what they've laid out,

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<v Speaker 2>Robes said, there was a lot of criticism for the

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<v Speaker 2>police department for what they are releasing enough information. They

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been giving up public updates. They had the medical

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<v Speaker 2>examiner seal the reports so it wouldn't be public before

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<v Speaker 2>they were ready. Robes, do what you gotta do, Police, Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an overwhelming case that you need to get right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at all of this they had to

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<v Speaker 2>do and all all they had to collect to present

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<v Speaker 2>this now to what looks like an absolute air tight case.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to get this rightes it hats off to them.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a It's been a very difficult investigation for months,

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<v Speaker 2>and dealing with something like this publicly, there's a rare

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<v Speaker 2>cases Robes where we give them credit where credits do

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<v Speaker 2>but Robes. I can't imagine the gargantuan investigative task this was,

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<v Speaker 2>and to do it with such public scrutiny. This is

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<v Speaker 2>one I will give cops their.

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<v Speaker 4>Guests, and I am impressed at their ability to prevent leaks.

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<v Speaker 4>There were almost no leaks on this case. You know

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<v Speaker 4>something else before we go that stood out to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to see if you had any thoughts on it.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked about what prosecutors showed in these in this

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<v Speaker 4>filing about all the places that he had taken to

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<v Speaker 4>her taken her to in twenty twenty four Vegas, London,

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<v Speaker 4>But one thing stood out to me Texas to meet

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<v Speaker 4>his family.

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<v Speaker 3>I am just so curious.

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<v Speaker 4>We had stories about how prosecutors, or at least they

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<v Speaker 4>were trying to bring his parents to that grand jury

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<v Speaker 4>to testify.

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<v Speaker 3>Not sure if that ever happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are secret proceedings, but to think that he brought

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<v Speaker 4>her to meet his family, that really that shocked me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I did go to some suggestion about what

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<v Speaker 2>this relationship was that we don't fully understand. We know

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<v Speaker 2>it was inappropriate, at least according to authorities. They say

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<v Speaker 2>it was wrong. What was that friendship? Like when there's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixteen year old kid an eleven year old kid,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what they were right, What do.

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<v Speaker 3>You have in common with an eleven year old when

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<v Speaker 3>you're sixteen nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're about to go a certain direction in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>This kid is going to is many years before catching up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know ropes And does that

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<v Speaker 2>even matter, No, it doesn't matter how old you were

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of it. Happened matters how old you

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<v Speaker 2>were at the end, and this is a grown man

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>And they found we don't know the details as to who,

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<v Speaker 4>or how many or how much would they set a

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<v Speaker 4>significant amount of child pornography on his phone when they

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<v Speaker 4>went through his devices.

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<v Speaker 2>So including sexual images of Celestrievus Hernandez.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, that is among the mounds of evidence they have.

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<v Speaker 4>But photos of their sexual behavior, certainly that's disturbing. And

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<v Speaker 4>also I forgot to mention they also have text messages

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<v Speaker 4>that refer to pregnancy, abortion and plan be emergency contraceptive.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was a suggestion perhaps that maybe even at

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<v Speaker 4>one point celest was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we say, every new detail, it's almost like just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear anymore. This is it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>getting worse. But this is a significant story. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people keeping an eye on. We are doing the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And again this is a reminder, with all this and

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<v Speaker 2>all the headlines and scandal you're going to see, this

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<v Speaker 2>is about a fourteen year old baby that met her

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<v Speaker 2>demise and was left in the trunk of a Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>on a car, in a car, just on a random street,

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<v Speaker 2>just discarded in that way, and there was a tragedy

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<v Speaker 2>of her life even before she died. But man, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a tough story, Robes. What's his next couple of things?

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<v Speaker 4>He has a court hearing on May twelfth, That is

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<v Speaker 4>next as far as we know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet we do not expect him. He is no

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<v Speaker 2>bail right now, and I can't imagine any suggestion and

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't mentioned it here, Robes, but couldn't imagine any

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<v Speaker 2>chance of him getting bail of any kind because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a potential death penalty case.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a potential death penalty case. Prosecutors have not

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<v Speaker 4>ruled that out. Not sure when they'll make that decision,

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<v Speaker 4>but certainly it qualifies for the death penalty with the

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<v Speaker 4>charges that he is facing murder, continuous sexual abuse, and

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<v Speaker 4>unlawfully mutilating a body. We will stay on top of

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<v Speaker 4>this one for you, everybody. We always appreciate you listening

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<v Speaker 4>to us. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We will talk to you soon.