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Speaker 2: You what?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Dollywood. Our family was at this event

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Speaker 1: last week and we won a trip to freaking Dollywood.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that Powerball winner from last week. And

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Speaker 1: I do need to warn you about this. I may

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Speaker 3: You've got to tell me what happens in Dollywood.

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Speaker 1: I actually have no idea. That's part of why I'm

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Speaker 3: Well, I do have one spoiler for you, and this

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Speaker 3: time ago. In the Chasing Rainbow section, they have this

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Speaker 1: Oh how sweet?

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Speaker 3: I love that he gave her that affirmation, but I

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Speaker 1: I definitely will. But winning this trip felt like a

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Speaker 1: And we've been talking about doing this for a while now,

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Speaker 1: so let's get started. Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as always I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by my good friend Mangesha Ticketter and the man

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Speaker 1: friend and producer Tristan McNeil. And today we're talking theme parks,

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Speaker 1: So we thought it'd be fun to dig into some

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Speaker 3: Mego, yeah, Today we'll be talking to David Younger, author

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Speaker 1: Very cool, all right, So we're going to dive in

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Speaker 1: All right, So before we get into the exhilarating rides,

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Speaker 3: Point totally, and Thompson chose this theme wisely, which is

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Speaker 1: Right of course. So it was pretty much the world's

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: But no matter what you think of Disney Parks or

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Disney was responsible for so many technical innovations that

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Speaker 3: But you know, if we really want to give proper credit,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reading about that too, So this honor

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mangos. So a few weeks ago we did an

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 5: The only trouble was that there are design courses, or

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Speaker 5: Well, the main thing is how much theme parks are

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Speaker 1: But thanks so much for joining us on Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Part Time Genius, and today we're talking

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Speaker 1: what would you say if I told you that Disneyland

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd probably say, you've gotten into that Uncle

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a pretty wild claim, but it's

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Speaker 1: here's the quote. He said, you know, fantasy isn't here.

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Speaker 1: This is very real. The park is reality. The people

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Speaker 1: aren't natural here. They're having a good time, they're communicating.

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Speaker 1: This is what people really are. The fantasy is it's

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Speaker 1: out there outside the gates of Disneyland, where people have

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Speaker 1: hatreds and people have prejudices. It's not really real.

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Speaker 3: Disney sounds so it's crazy. But you said, other people

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Speaker 3: made similar claims to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know one of the most prominent to

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Speaker 1: do so was the Italian novelists and essayistamberto Echo. It

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Speaker 1: was the mid nineteen seventies and Echo went on what

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Speaker 1: he described as a pilgrimage in search of hyper reality,

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Speaker 1: or the world of the absolute fake is. This basically

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Speaker 1: means he tooled around the US for a year. He

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Speaker 1: was touring and critiquing these popular tourist spots that housed

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Speaker 1: artistic reproductions or historical recreations and all these other examples

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Speaker 1: of faux reality, so you know, even things like wax

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Speaker 1: museums and the Western themed towns. But of course he

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Speaker 1: also visited America's top two fake cities being Disneyland and

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Speaker 1: California and Disney World in Florida.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like Echo is sort of skeptical of

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Speaker 3: America's fascination with fantasy. How do you wind up concluding

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Speaker 3: our theme parks are more real than the real world.

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Speaker 1: Well, it goes back to this idea of hyperreality. You

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Speaker 1: know that the idea that simulation provides the ultimate expression

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Speaker 1: of the thing it represents. And it's a little heavy here,

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Speaker 1: but just just to explain it, So think about the

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Speaker 1: Jungle Cruise ride and the Adventureland section of the park.

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Speaker 1: That's the one where you take a boat ride down

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Speaker 1: this you know, several South American rivers, and the skipper

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Speaker 1: there at the helm makes you know all these bad

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Speaker 1: animal puns. And Echo writes about the ride and says,

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Speaker 1: when there's a fake a hippopotamus, dinosaur, a sea serpent,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much because it wouldn't be possible to

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Speaker 1: have the real equivalent but because the public is meant

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Speaker 1: to admire the perfection of the fake and its obedience

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Speaker 1: to the program. In this sense, Disneyland not only produces illusion,

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Speaker 1: but in confessing, it stimulates the desire for it. A

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Speaker 1: real crocodile could be found in a zoo, and as

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Speaker 1: a rule, it's dozing or hiding. But Disneyland tells us

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Speaker 1: that fake nature corresponds much more to our daydream demands.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, you risk feeling homesick for Disneyland,

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Speaker 1: where the wild animals don't have to be coaxed. Disneyland

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Speaker 1: tells us that technology can give us more reality than

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Speaker 1: nature can.

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Speaker 3: That's some deep stuff, and it actually reminds me of

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Speaker 3: something I read about how really well manicured gardens were

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Speaker 3: once destination spots for tourists, like long before mechanical attraction's

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Speaker 3: caught on. In a weird way, they almost seem like

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Speaker 3: precursors to theme parks, at least given that idea of

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Speaker 3: hyperreality you're talking about, Well.

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Speaker 1: How do you figure that, Well, garden's like a little microcosm.

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Speaker 3: It's this idealized take on nature. And so if you

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Speaker 3: think of a Japanese garden where you have rocks and water, plants, ornaments,

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Speaker 3: miniature pagoda too. Like we arrange these elements as we

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Speaker 3: please to create our own little oasis, a small piece

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Speaker 3: of land that's meant to represent the best parts of

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Speaker 3: the world outside it.

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Speaker 1: All right, I get that. And just like a theme park,

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Speaker 1: this elaborate gardens strives to mimic something about the real world,

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Speaker 1: and of course by softening the edges and being really

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Speaker 1: selective about what's included, and the result winds up feeling

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Speaker 1: like something unique all together. And it's not quite fake,

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Speaker 1: but not altogether real either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hyperreal. But here's the thing. The kinds of gardens

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Speaker 3: people cultivate are usually reflections on the cultures to which

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Speaker 3: they belong. So, for example, French gardens tend to idealize

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Speaker 3: the symmetry and orderly rose to reflect man's mastery of nature,

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Speaker 3: while many English gardens.

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Speaker 1: Do the opposite.

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Speaker 3: So what exactly do our theme parks say about who

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Speaker 3: we are as a people?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'd kind of like to think it

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Speaker 1: says something about us being a culture of dreamers. You

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Speaker 1: know that we draw on timeless stories to make sense

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Speaker 1: of the world and maybe even add meaning to our lives.

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Speaker 1: And you know, although I'm sure there's a cynical answer

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Speaker 1: about consumerism that others would offer as.

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Speaker 3: Well, like the idealized version of a land full of

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Speaker 3: Santa Clauses. Right right, maybe that, but let's take the

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Speaker 3: high road on this one. After all, we'll be in

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Speaker 3: good company if we do. Because you know, Ray Bradbury

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Speaker 3: himself believed this.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, I actually saw this as well. So

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Speaker 1: Bradbury was one of Disney's most outspoken fans.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, definitely so. In fact, when a nineteen sixty

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Speaker 3: five article in the Nation denounced Disneyland as vulgar entertainment

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Speaker 3: on the same level as like Las Vegas, Bradbury basically

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Speaker 3: published a piece in Holiday Magazine entitled The Machine Tooled

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Speaker 3: Happy Land, and in it he sets the record straight

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Speaker 3: on why intellectuals or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be ashamed to visit the happiest place on Earth. And

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Speaker 3: in particular, Bradbury praised Disney's breakthrough in audio animatronics, which

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Speaker 3: he saw is the next best thing to creating life itself.

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Speaker 1: Really wow, he went pretty far with this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you should hear this quote. So I'm

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Speaker 3: going to read it to you. Only a few hundred

533
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Speaker 3: years ago, all this would have been considered blasphemous. To

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Speaker 3: create man is not Man's business, but God's Disney, and

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Speaker 3: every technician with him would have been bundled and burned

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Speaker 3: at the stake in sixteen hundred. That's true, right, But

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Speaker 3: this is what he continues. But the fact remains that

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Speaker 3: Disney is the first to make a robot that is

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Speaker 3: convincingly real, that looks, speaks, and acts like a man.

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Speaker 3: He has set the history of humanized robots on its

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Speaker 3: way toward wider and more fantastic excursions.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So you've got this science fiction writer who was

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Speaker 1: seeing things he'd only dreamed of in his stories taking

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Speaker 1: shape in real.

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Speaker 3: Life, right, and he's just awed by the possibilities. He

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Speaker 3: even goes on to describe this future in which these

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Speaker 3: robots sort of affirm the truth of history and make

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Speaker 3: it real to people in a way that simply reading

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Speaker 3: about it always falls short. It's a really poetic notion

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Speaker 3: about these future robot museums, where I'm going to quote again,

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Speaker 3: we may begin to believe in every one of man's

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Speaker 3: many million days upon this earth. For these students, it

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Speaker 3: will not be history was, but history is.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's definitely an interesting idea, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like Bradbury also recognized the hyper reality of these

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Speaker 1: theme parks, but rather than viewing that as a negative,

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Speaker 1: you know, he saw it as a way to reinforce truth,

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Speaker 1: history and the world itself. I guess yeah, you can.

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Speaker 3: Really tell why Bradbury saw a fellow futurist in Walt

560
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Speaker 3: Disney like. They were both unceasingly optimistic about what mankind

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Speaker 3: could achieve. And I don't want to lean too heavily

562
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Speaker 3: on his essay, but there's one more section that really

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Speaker 3: captures what a theme park can be at its best,

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Speaker 3: So I'll go ahead and read it here. Quote in Disneyland,

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Speaker 3: Walt has proven again that the first function of architecture

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Speaker 3: is to make men over, make them wish to go

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Speaker 3: on living, feed them fresh oxygen, grow them tall, delight

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Speaker 3: their eyes, make them kind. Disneyland liberates men to be

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Speaker 3: their better selves. And he continues here, you will see

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Speaker 3: the happy faces of people. I don't mean dumb cluck happy.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean men's club happy or sewing circle happy.

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Speaker 3: I mean truly happy. And then I've got to keep

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Speaker 3: going because it's so good. No beat Nicks here, No

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Speaker 3: cool people with cool faces pretending not to care, thus

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Speaker 3: swindling themselves out of life or any chance of her life.

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Speaker 3: Disneyland causes you to care all over again. You feel

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Speaker 3: it's the first you feel. It's the first day in

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Speaker 3: the spring of that special year when you've discovered you

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Speaker 3: were really alive.

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Speaker 1: No cool people with cool faces in Disney World. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty great. I'd say that's pretty much the definition of

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Speaker 1: a ring endorsement. I honestly, I'm not even sure how

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Speaker 1: to respond to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, the ideal of response would probably be to make

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Speaker 3: a beeline for Disneyland. But since we're in the middle

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Speaker 3: of an episode, how about we just break forth quiz.

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Speaker 1: Our next guest is a super fan of theme parks

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Speaker 1: and has turned his reporting and trip planning into a

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Speaker 1: really successful career as the founder and editor of Theme

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Speaker 1: Park Insider. Robert Niles. Welcome to part time Genius.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Great. Well, So, Robert, I was curious, was there a

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Speaker 1: theme park experience or just some specific theme park that

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Speaker 1: really sparked this passion of yours?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm a Los Angeles Natives. So my kids hauled

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Speaker 4: me down to Anaheim to visit Disneyland a lot when

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Speaker 4: I was a kid. But really maybe the thing that

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Speaker 4: turned me onto this was when we visited Universal Studios Hollywood,

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Speaker 4: back when it was just the Universal Studio Tour and

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Speaker 4: I was about six years old or something, but I

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Speaker 4: got picked to be one of those audience volunteers, and

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Speaker 4: so I was the freckle faced little kid and the

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Speaker 4: fake races Rice Aroni commercial that they taped on the

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Speaker 4: back lot back then. I'm just like, wow, this is

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Speaker 4: kind of cool I could be part of the show.

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Speaker 4: So that always kind of stuck with me. And then

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Speaker 4: when I was in college, I started working at Walt

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Speaker 4: disney World during the summers, and that just really cemented it.

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Speaker 4: So I've been a just a huge theme park fan

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Speaker 4: ever since.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite weird theme park or just

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Speaker 3: a favorite theme park overall?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Wow, I mean I think my favorite theme park

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Speaker 4: would be Tokyo Disney ce and Japan, just an absolutely

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Speaker 4: lovely parking shows you what you can do with a

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Speaker 4: budget of several billion dollars. But in terms of like

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Speaker 4: little fun, quirky parks, I'm a real fan of Holiday World,

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Speaker 4: which is located in the tiny town of Santa Claus

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Speaker 4: in the It's just this wonderful place park, really out

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Speaker 4: in the middle of a cornfield someplace, but it's got

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Speaker 4: some really great World Clash roller coasters there, and you've

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Speaker 4: got a really fun crew of sands that show up

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Speaker 4: at this place. It's not like this is just a

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Speaker 4: park out in the suburbs and everybody lives there comes in.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to Santa Claus, Indiana, you're a dedicated

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Speaker 4: team park fan, it's just nice to be around a

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Speaker 4: bunch of other theme park geeks like me whenever I visit.

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Speaker 3: That's so nice to hear because we'd actually read about

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Speaker 3: it and talked about it a little on the show,

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Speaker 3: but to hear that it's like a real park for

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Speaker 3: enthusias is pretty great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's great. Well, what about some favorite attractions,

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Speaker 1: just favorite oddball attractions you've seen, you know, at different parks.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I'll talk about one that I haven't seen yet,

635
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Speaker 4: but one of our writers just just went on it's

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Speaker 4: at this park in Glenwood Canyon, Colorado. It's Glenwood Canyon

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Speaker 4: Adventure Park, and they've built a rock ride except that

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Speaker 4: when you typically think of drop rides, it's a big

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Speaker 4: tower where you go up a couple hundred feet in

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Speaker 4: the air and then you drop back to the ground.

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Speaker 4: This is seemed to be a mind drop ride, and

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Speaker 4: it's actually in a mine, so you enter on the

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Speaker 4: ground and then you drop down one hundred into a hole,

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Speaker 4: which just sounds like that could be a huge phobia

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Speaker 4: trigger for a while, which of course makes it that

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Speaker 4: much more fun for everybody else. But that's a that's

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Speaker 4: a quirky little park that it doesn't mean it's not

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Speaker 4: like a Disney park or anything. You did tiny attendance,

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Speaker 4: but they've got stuff like a roller coaster that's perched

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Speaker 4: on the edge of a thousand foot cliffs and all

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Speaker 4: of these things that are a little bit extreme for

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Speaker 4: a theme park attraction. So that's that's moved up high

653
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Speaker 4: on my to view bucket list of places to go visit.

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Speaker 1: Are there any pet.

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Speaker 3: Teams you'd love to see developed into a park?

656
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, I mean the first thing everybody always

657
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Speaker 4: says is that, you know, everybody wants Lord of the

658
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Speaker 4: Rings of the park because it's you know, just huge ip.

659
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Speaker 4: But you know, a lot of parks have developed these

660
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Speaker 4: kind of video game based shooter rides now like you

661
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Speaker 4: see it. It does wide here at Disney, and Men in

662
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: Black at Universal and Justice League at six Flags. So

663
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Speaker 4: there's a desire to do something that's interactive. So I

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Speaker 4: think one thing I'd really like to see is some

665
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Speaker 4: type of thing where it's it's almost like you're in

666
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Speaker 4: the game of Clue or something. You have to solve

667
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: some sort of mystery in order to advance into the attractions.

668
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Speaker 4: A lot of that sort of gameplay could be a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun in the Team Park attraction.

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Speaker 1: Definitely. Yeah, that's pretty great. Well, we appreciate your telling

671
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: us all about these parks, but we can't let you

672
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: go without putting you to the test. So what game

673
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Speaker 1: are we playing with Robert today, Mango.

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Speaker 3: We're playing a little game called roller Coaster or Discontinued Superhero?

675
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Speaker 1: All right, that's right, So this is simple work. We're

676
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Speaker 1: going to give you a name and you tell us

677
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: whether it's a roller coaster or a discontinued superhero. Are

678
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Speaker 1: you ready?

679
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Speaker 4: Why not? Both?

680
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Maybe should be here we go Number one, Bouncing Boy.

681
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Speaker 4: I'm going to guess that's a discontinued superhero.

682
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really dumb discontinued superhero Bouncing boys. Big

683
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: skill was that he turned into a bouncing ball.

684
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Speaker 1: I don't know I would have wanted to do that

685
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Speaker 1: as a kid. All right. Number two he's one for one.

686
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Speaker 1: Number two Steel Vengeance.

687
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's definitely a roller coast, actually going to be

688
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 4: a roller coaster.

689
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Speaker 1: Wow, well done if bonus points if you happen to

690
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Speaker 1: know where this is.

691
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Speaker 4: Going to be, that's a Keeter points fantaska ohio hicily done.

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Speaker 1: He is an expert here. Okay, he's three for two.

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Speaker 1: Number three, Yank and Doodle.

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Speaker 4: That's just awful. No matter what he is, I'm going

695
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Speaker 4: to get a superhero.

696
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Speaker 3: Yeah. According to ranker dot COM's description, when they're together,

697
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: they have superhero strength. When they're apart, they're just dude.

698
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: All right, all right. Number four King the.

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Speaker 4: K Oh Definitely roller coaster.

700
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Speaker 1: All right, bonus points for where it is.

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Speaker 4: That would be at six Flags. Great adventure in New Jersey.

702
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Speaker 1: Nicely done. Number five The Red Bee.

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Speaker 4: The red Bee. That could go either way, but I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna say just continued superhero again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. The Red Bee's power was that he

706
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Speaker 3: was powerless, but he had a trained bee that he

707
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: attacks people with, and that trained bee's name was Michael.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, there was one here for an

709
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Speaker 1: even an additional bonus point. I thought this one was interesting.

710
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: All right, here we go thunder Dolphin.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's another one that could go either way. Could

712
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Speaker 4: be a roller coaster to SeaWorld Parks. Not familiar with

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Speaker 4: which one, but let's just say roller coaster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is a Tokyo Dome city and this

715
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: agile coaster dodges buildings and threads the needle through a

716
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Speaker 3: giant Ferris wheel.

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Speaker 1: All right, nicely done. So how's Robert done today? Mango?

718
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Speaker 3: He's got incredible seven for six, which has happened on

719
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Speaker 3: a show before.

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Speaker 1: Ah, it's a record.

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Speaker 3: So what is Robert w Yeah, he earns a note

722
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Speaker 3: to his mom or boss, singing his praises. So congratulations Robert.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you guys are thinking about attending

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Speaker 1: a theme park, you should check out Theme Park Insider. Robert,

725
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on part time genius.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we had a pretty heavy discussion earlier about

728
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: hyper reality and theme parks, and you know, even Disneyland's

729
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: role as this, you might say, a technological steward of history.

730
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: But what do you say we keep things a little

731
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Speaker 1: bit lighter in this last segment, Mango.

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Speaker 3: I'm all for it. I was actually thinking we could

733
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Speaker 3: just go back and forth with some of the lesser

734
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Speaker 3: known theme parks we came across during our research. I

735
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but the ones that really grabbed

736
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: my attention were these random, like oddball parks with with

737
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: all these themes that are definitely not Disney.

738
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Speaker 1: All right, sure, I'm up for that. So so what

739
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Speaker 1: are you thinking of? First?

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Speaker 3: Well, some of the weirdest theme parks I came across

741
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Speaker 3: where were these kid Zania Family Entertainment centers. They're basically

742
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: indoor kid sized replica cities, complete with miniature vehicles and

743
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: buildings like hospital shops, banks, restaurants, and even a tiny airport.

744
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: And the idea is that kids can gain valuable life

745
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: experience by taking part in twenty five minute career based

746
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Speaker 3: role playing. Says, oh god, yeah, it gets worse. So

747
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: kids get a chance to try their hand at lofty

748
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Speaker 3: job assignments such as performing surgery or pollerting an aircraft,

749
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Speaker 3: as well as more menial tasks like that you find

750
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Speaker 3: them like changing a tire or working in a Coca

751
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Speaker 3: Cola bottling plant.

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Speaker 1: It's like the worst theme park ever, mangt is what

753
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: exactly is the theme? Is it adulthood or just monotony

754
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: or what?

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00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: Well, you haven't even heard the best part yet. So

756
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: kids learn the value of their labor by earning kid zos,

757
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: the official currency of kid Zania, and they can accrue

758
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: interest when deposited in the kid Zanian bank.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, oh wow, all right, well that's pretty bleak, but

760
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Speaker 1: I actually still think I can top that. So last fall,

761
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: the UK was home to a theme park based entirely

762
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Speaker 1: on the literary works of Charles Dickens. It was called

763
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Speaker 1: Dickens World, and the park offered this interactive tour through

764
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Speaker 1: the drab buildings and grimy cobblestone streets of Old Victoria

765
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: in London. They even boasted about this Greater Expectations themed

766
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Speaker 1: water run and sadly the whole thing went belly up

767
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: though this was last October because the company behind the

768
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Speaker 1: park declared itself insolvent.

769
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Speaker 3: And Tyler talking about the worst of times.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that should have been my my joke.

771
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: Still, if we're going for bleak, you'll want to check

772
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Speaker 3: out survival drama in Lithuania, and while not a park

773
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: per se, it's the world's premier themed attraction for those

774
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: looking to experience what life was like for a citizen

775
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Speaker 3: of the USSR during the nineteen eighties. So the whole

776
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: ordeal starts when guests are ambushed by the Red Army

777
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: in the middle of a forest, and then they're transported

778
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Speaker 3: to a former Soviet bunk her in the Eastern European countryside.

779
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it.

780
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Only gets worse like from there. It's a brisk three

781
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: hours of underground tunnels, barking dogs, verbal abuse, humiliation, coercion,

782
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: and even propaganda screenings friendly and it's all followed by

783
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: a celebratory tin of beef and a shot of vodka

784
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: to wash the taste of totalitarian regime from your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Oh for the kids, right, it's horrible. I honestly don't

786
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: know what's worse that something like this is legal or

787
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: that people actually pay to be a part of it.

788
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it sounds like the worst vacation ever,

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: but according to the theater producer behind the attraction, that's

790
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: kind of the point. Like in an interview with the

791
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: Daily Mail. She said, quote, it's not for everyone, but

792
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 3: these days children must learn that it's not a laughing matter.

793
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: Men understand what it was like. They should realize how

794
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: much progress there's been over the past seventeen years.

795
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: I like how they have vacation time to learn these lessons.

796
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Speaker 1: But I guess in a way that's kind of admirable.

797
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: But we're supposed to be keeping things light in this

798
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Speaker 1: last section. So did you you know, did you come

799
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Speaker 1: across any lesser known things, parks that aren't completely mortifying?

800
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

801
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Speaker 3: So one of the coolest parks I found is called

802
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Speaker 3: Eftling World of Wonders. It's this amazing one hundred eighty

803
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: acre theme park in Amsterdam, and it's consistently ranked one

804
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: of the best in all of Europe. And in fact,

805
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: Eftaling is unbelievably popular. It's one of the few non Disney,

806
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: non universal parks to crack the top twenty five highest

807
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: attended theme parks in the world.

808
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's pretty impressive. So what's the theme for

809
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: the park?

810
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the cool thing. Though the whole park

811
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: is based on classic fairy tales and folklore. So elves, gnomes,

812
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: Fairies and the like, And even though there's some thematic

813
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: crossover between this one and the Disney parks, there's a

814
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: much tighter focus on tradition and storytelling at Eftaling.

815
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: So it's, I don't know, kind of a less commercialized

816
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: theme park.

817
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, kind of. I mean there are shops, to

818
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: be sure, but they aren't as central a focus as

819
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Speaker 3: they would be in any American theme park, which is

820
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Speaker 3: all the more impressive when you consider the cutting edge

821
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: ride technology and the lavishly detailed theming found throughout the park.

822
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: Get the feeling the designers didn't have to make a

823
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: whole lot of compromises in order to save a few

824
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: pennies or squeeze in another store front, and the results

825
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: of this really classy theme park.

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Speaker 1: You know, before the episode, I probably would have considered

827
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Speaker 1: a classy theme park to be an oxymoron, But you know,

828
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Speaker 1: looking into all the philosophy at the root of these experiences,

829
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I guess I feel kind of differently now.

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all fun and games until someone has an

831
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: existential crisis on Space.

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Speaker 1: Mountain, right right. I'll try to hold yourself together, Mango,

833
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: at least long enough for this episode's fact.

834
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Speaker 2: Off Okay, so why don't you pick this on off?

835
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Speaker 1: All right, I can do that. So did you know

836
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Speaker 1: that Freud and Jung visited Dreamland and Coney Island together?

837
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: It's actually true, and when they did, supposedly, Freud told

838
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: Jung that Coney Island was the only part of America

839
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: that interesting.

840
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: So this is about Walt Disney, and it is the

841
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: fact I always think about whenever I hear his name.

842
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: Visitors came to visit Walt Disney, he'd serve them tomato

843
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: juice and he'd be furious if they refused to drink it.

844
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: In fact, his secretary would even warn people that it

845
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: was best to just accept it before they walked in.

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Speaker 1: I had actually heard that fact before. But speaking of Disney,

847
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: one of my favorite parks, And I don't know why

848
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: I included this fact because I have the hardest time

849
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: saying this word. But it's the Beijing Chijing Shan amusement.

850
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: It's not as fun to say as it.

851
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Is so hard to say. And mental Flaws dubbed this

852
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: the copyright and fringiest place on Earth. And although park

853
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: has been sued several times and often had to take

854
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: down statues, it's happily filled with ripoff animated characters and

855
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: landmarks that look so much like these Disney characters. And

856
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: oddly enough, this is something they've embraced in their advertisement.

857
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Speaker 1: You know what their old slogan was, It was Disney

858
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Speaker 1: is too far to go, Please come to Shijing Shan.

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00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I think I said so.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite theme park thrills to read about

861
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Speaker 3: was this park called krocos Us Cove in Darwin, Australia,

862
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: and they have something that's way scarier than any roller coaster.

863
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: It's called the Cage of Death. So you get in

864
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 3: this little acrylic tank which they then submerge in water,

865
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Speaker 3: and you end up right next to the sixteen foot crocodile. God,

866
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: it sounds terrifying, but Krocosaur's Cove isn't a one trick pony,

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Speaker 3: and it also has the largest display of Australian reptiles anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is crazy. All right, Well, while we're on

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Speaker 1: the topic of our favorite weird theme parks, one of

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Speaker 1: these days, I really want to go to a place

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Speaker 1: called Bonbon Land, which is just an hour or so

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Speaker 1: away from Copenhagen and Denmark. And so, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: we like to credit Harry Potter with popularizing all those

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Speaker 1: nasty flavored jelly beans, from ToeJam to stinky cheese and

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But this park is the

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Speaker 1: home of a candy factory that's been making disgusting confections

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Speaker 1: like earwax, seagull droppings, and dog farts since the eighties,

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Speaker 1: and in the early nineties they decided to open a

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Speaker 1: theme park there. And I know my son would die

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Speaker 1: to go to this place because they have one ride

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Speaker 1: that's called the dog Farting Roller Coaster. Do you get

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Speaker 1: to travel through lots of poop and enjoy the accompanying soundtrack?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, as we always say on the show, no

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Speaker 3: matter how old you get, dog farts are always funny.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: I can't beat that. I'm gonna give you this week's trophy.

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