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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Saren, what's up, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good?

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been wearing all your hoodies?

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Speaker 4: Have you?

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Speaker 3: Is that where they all went?

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Speaker 2: Totally? Have been a really fun week. People are like, dude,

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Speaker 2: you've been dressing a lot better this week. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I know, it's not always the same two hoodies.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, is that a good Dard quote?

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, it's that's so you're the

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Speaker 3: one who's been breaking in and stealing all my stuff?

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Speaker 2: Cool this week?

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Speaker 3: Cool?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's ridiculous, I do, Elizabeth. Imagine this. Okay,

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Speaker 2: in a place called Ashland County, which I think is

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Speaker 2: in Virginia. I'm pretty sure it's in Virginia, there was

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Speaker 2: this bandit, this mask bandit, who broke in to a

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Speaker 2: liquor store and ABC store and that's what it's called

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Speaker 2: by brand name ABC, and they drank up a bunch

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Speaker 2: of bourbon, you know, and then they passed out drunk

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Speaker 2: on the bathroom floor.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The great part was that the mask bandit was a raccoon.

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Speaker 2: Wait what Yeah, So the Hanover County Animal Protection they

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Speaker 2: found a raccoon passed out in the toilet of the

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Speaker 2: ABC starter. They broke like numerous bottles of bourbon drank

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Speaker 2: up like I'm assuming licked it up. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they're taking slugs out of the bottle, but maybe anyway,

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Speaker 2: the trash panda was just trashed on the floor of

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Speaker 2: the bathroom and then quote, after a few hours of

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Speaker 2: sleep and zero signs of injury other than maybe a

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Speaker 2: hangover and poor life choices, he was safely released back

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Speaker 2: to the wild. That's from animal transport or animal protection rather.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. I thought that was pretty good that,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's ridiculous. You'd never expect, you know, to

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Speaker 2: hear about a mass bandit and it's a.

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Speaker 3: Raccoon and it's you got me there right there you go.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 3: Being the Napoleon of crime, can you do that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: You can. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 3: and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 3: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Ah, you damn right.

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Speaker 3: We love a non violent criminal, don't we, Folks?

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Speaker 2: We do, Oh, we do.

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Speaker 3: And we love a cast of characters, right.

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Speaker 2: Gang, you say a cat of characters, oh cast, yes,

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Speaker 2: them too.

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Speaker 3: Hold on to your support, host, Zaren, I have a

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Speaker 3: hum dinger for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm going to pull them up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this guy, right, his exploits take place at such

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Speaker 3: an interesting time in history, especially from a crime perspective.

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Speaker 3: So let's dig into this ridiculous Schmorgesborg.

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Speaker 4: You do.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you about Adam Worth.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: He was born in eighteen forty four in Prussia into

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Speaker 2: It probably has, like you know, changed over time.

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Speaker 3: He's building a missigees.

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Speaker 2: In the Prussian Empire, right, So yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we all know immigration records from that era incomplete.

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Speaker 2: Totally lost. So why I tell people count Laslow There.

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Speaker 3: It is and they believe you as well they should.

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Speaker 3: His parents immigrated to the US when he was really young,

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Speaker 3: and they settled in Cambridge, Massachusetts. His father was a tailor,

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Speaker 3: a hard working family. Adam was like this quiet, intelligent,

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Speaker 2: And Cambridge just like Mit and Harvard.

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Speaker 3: I right, yeah, yeah exactly, And so you know all

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Speaker 3: He was like, did clerical work. He was a good boy.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like he didn't break the law, didn't hang with

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Speaker 2: Guy, yeah, George Leon Leslie.

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Speaker 3: Yes. And how the Civil War impacted crime in the

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I know you do. So when the Civil War broke

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Speaker 3: out in eighteen sixty one, you.

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Speaker 2: Know I loved nineteenth century crime.

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Speaker 3: Waste Worth was seventeen. He enlisted in the Union Army

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Speaker 3: by lying about his age. Okay, it's not clear, like

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Teenage? Bravado? Restlessness? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: My grandfather lied about his age. She joined the navy

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Speaker 2: and to get out of Iowa. So it happened. He

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Speaker 3: Can get into. Who knows, maybe he just wanted to

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Speaker 3: that army life was not for him. Yeah, yeah, he deserted,

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Speaker 3: good for him. Then he re enlisted under an alias

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Speaker 3: no even better, and then he deserted again.

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Speaker 2: I love it, I know.

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Speaker 3: So desertion was common in like the early years of

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Speaker 2: There were plenty of woods to run into.

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Speaker 3: Oh it is so easy. And there were so many

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Speaker 2: And they realized it sucked when they got there, Like

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Speaker 3: Had two dirt farmer ancestors in Alabama and they certainly

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Speaker 3: a leg, lost cause indeed, So back to Worth August

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Speaker 3: eighteen sixty two. So Worth, he when he re enlisted

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Speaker 2: And he's not flipping sides, he's just serving, just.

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Speaker 3: Going yeah Ni precisely, So he's serving under an alias.

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Speaker 3: At the time, he was mistakenly listed as killed in

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Speaker 2: I love that. I report on that one.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was like a clerical error

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Speaker 3: Either way, this gave him an idea anassis. If he

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Speaker 3: So he seized the opportunity. He's now a dead man.

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Speaker 3: So he heads for the Northeast, where, like the cities

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Speaker 3: there rapidly changing, things are getting exciting. He dives right

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Speaker 3: in New York in the mid eighteen sixties. It's full

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Speaker 3: of new immigrants, corrupt politicians, massive wealth disparity, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: his early criminal development was Fredrika Marm Mandelbomb.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's I'm thinking she totally needs her own episode.

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Speaker 3: She was like his own family. She was a German

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Speaker 3: Marm ran the largest and most profitable fencing operation in

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Speaker 3: the country, and she supplied tools to burglars. She financed

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Speaker 3: So she's this shrewd judge of talent too, and she

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Speaker 3: really quickly she saw Adam Worth, and she's like, guys, smart,

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Speaker 3: He's like super methodical, logistical minded. Huh. So she starts

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Speaker 3: giving him responsibilities that she usually wouldn't entrust to newcomers.

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Speaker 3: She's got him planning robberies, supervising crews. You know, again

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Speaker 3: had an ability to like assume different identities. Really yeah,

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Speaker 3: to marm I bet So. His most important early partnership

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Speaker 3: They like, he's believed to have been born in the

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Speaker 3: Like he didn't tell anyone the truth. He was suave,

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Speaker 3: he was charismatic. He was also a musically talented safe cracker.

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Speaker 3: He played the piano in saloons, in boarding houses. That's

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Speaker 3: the name Piano Charlie, sometimes as like a legit job,

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Speaker 3: he was this expert with lock picks and explosives. So

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Speaker 3: you combine that with worse skills in planning, timing, evasion,

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Speaker 3: Charlie got busted and locked up for stealing one hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth of stuff from the Hudson River Railway Express.

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Speaker 3: Marm Mandelbaum needed her safe cracker out of the clink. Folks.

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Speaker 3: We got ourselves a good old fashioned jail break. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So Marm rents an office across the street from the

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Speaker 3: helped kick off a riot. And it was then that

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Speaker 3: Worth coordinated a crew to tunnel into Bullard's cell.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so she's doing basically setting up what you do

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Speaker 2: for a bank robbery, but to get out her piano Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Right, But people weren't doing tunneling bank robbery, Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 3: But the technique worked, and so they're like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: let's run with this. And then that happened. The running

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Speaker 3: with it happened that Boyleston National bank in Boston in

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Speaker 3: eighteen sixty nine. So the Boyleston National Bank robbery is

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Speaker 3: thought by like some historians, as one of the earliest major, professional,

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Speaker 3: highly planned, technically sophisticated bank burglaries in the US during

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Speaker 3: the post Civil War period, right up there with your guide,

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Speaker 3: George Leonidis Leslie. So the robbery was significant for two reasons.

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Speaker 3: It marked one of the first times that a crew

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Speaker 3: tunneled into a bank, and it also it was what

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Speaker 3: put Adam Worth on the radar of the Pinkerton Agency.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so this is no, this is a critical

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Speaker 3: sixty nine. So banks they're like relying on heavy iron

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Speaker 3: safes with combination locks, like pretty simple vault rooms. They've

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Speaker 3: Exactly Ruba, Jamaica. So they got cash, negotiable securities, bonds, gold,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about this new crime syndicate

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Speaker 3: Worth was building and where that took him. Zaren Elizabeth Zarnabeth.

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Speaker 3: When we left off, Adam Worth was living in London

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Speaker 3: as Henry Judson Raymond love that name. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's looking so clean.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, he's got everything. He's a fine dress man.

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Speaker 3: Worth believed violence was the enemy of a successful criminal enterprise. Ooh,

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Speaker 3: I like that. A violent crime always generated public panics

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Speaker 3: and that brought on police involvement.

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Speaker 2: Totally in anger and fear, all the things you don't want.

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Speaker 3: So he was like, you know, non violent crimes, but

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Speaker 2: So his he romanticized by the public.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. He forbade his crew from carrying weapons.

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Speaker 3: Smart can't do it, no enhancements for him. Well, and

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Speaker 3: So just like back in the States, his operations were

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Speaker 2: Guy totally, and mathematical as hell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a rare criminal who thinks things all the

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Speaker 2: Hm, I like that somehow a compliment the way they put.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So his like crazy process made police recovery nearly impossible.

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Speaker 3: Everything in the operation was unprecedented. So he treated his

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Speaker 3: He could pass as an American businessman, a German tourist,

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Speaker 3: So he socialized in all of like London's elegant salons,

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Speaker 3: And he didn't. He didn't like flaunt his wealth. He

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Speaker 2: Really, not just saying that in court, but.

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Speaker 3: This truly did. And they wound up having two kids together.

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Speaker 3: He kept his whole family, the wife and kids, totally

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Speaker 4: They had no.

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Speaker 2: Of course, and it made very international.

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Speaker 3: It was in this time that he pulled his most

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Speaker 3: of Georgiana Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally dude, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: So I wish we could have bendor on as a

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Speaker 3: to make do with Lilo Me. Portrait was painted in

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Speaker 3: seventeen eighty seven. Gainsborough is widely regarded as one of

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Speaker 2: I'll say one of the best, if not the best,

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Speaker 3: Yes, he helped define the look and style of late

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Speaker 3: And he's best known for the blue boy painted in

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Speaker 2: Colors are incredible. Yeah, you've seen him in person, Yes,

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Speaker 3: And it was just like this day. Yeah, it glows.

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Speaker 3: So he establishes the visual identity of George and Britain.

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Speaker 3: So this portrait of Georgiana Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire, it

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Speaker 3: was glamorous, she was politically influential, she was fashionable, she

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Speaker 3: she had a small labatter house where she conducted chemistry experiments.

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Speaker 3: So she was also tragic. So she was a gambler

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Speaker 3: her gambling debt was one hundred thousand pounds, which is

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, and she was really sickly after that. She

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Speaker 3: Tragic and perhaps that haunted her bloodline, as she was

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Speaker 2: She's on that Spencer line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Her portrait depicting her in a plumed hat and

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Speaker 3: found it. I don't know behind it was a sheet,

437
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: but it was returned to society and it was this

438
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: huge sensation, so London newspapers called it the greatest portrait

439
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: reappearance of the century many reappearances. The art dealer's Thomas

440
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: Agnew and Sons was one of the most prestigious firms

441
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: in Europe, and they purchased the painting at auction for

442
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: ten thousand guineas, which was about you know, ten thousand pounds. Now,

443
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 3: that was the highest price ever paid for a portrait

444
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: up to that time. Its value, its fame, sudden cultural prominence.

445
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: It made this like instantly recognizable icon, and it was

446
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: also then the perfect target for a criminal with a

447
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: taste for symbol, someone like Adam Worth. So Worth he

448
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: didn't steal it to sell it. He stole it because

449
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: it was a symbol of prestige and daring. It was

450
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: like a psychological prize.

451
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: And to make a great gift someone.

452
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: It would also serve as collateral if he ever needed

453
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 3: leverage with criminal.

454
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: Law enforcement.

455
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so. Worth. He believed that the agnew price

456
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 3: signaled vulnerability because he figured that the gallery's pride in

457
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: its acquisition blinded it to security risks. So he later

458
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: said that he viewed the painting as a kind of

459
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: talisman or mascot, and he never intended to damage it

460
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: or ransom it. So as we know, Adam Worth was

461
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 3: never impulsive. His approach to the Gainsborough theft was like

462
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: had the same meticulous attention of all his other jobs.

463
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: He spent weeks studying the layout of the gallery, the

464
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: entry and exit points, nearby patrol patterns, the habits of

465
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: the night watchmen, how the painting was mounted, even the

466
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: construction of display cases. He visited the gallery tons and

467
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: tons of times disguised as a patron, and he could

468
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: pull us off because he was known in London art

469
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: circles at the time, because he would pose as this

470
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: American collector and it wouldn't be unusual then for him

471
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: to like hit up the gallery a bunch of times

472
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 3: to see a famous painting with a cool backstory. And

473
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: once he decided that he needed the painting, he got

474
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: to work. So he got his paws on a set

475
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: of duplicate keys for the gallery, and he mapped out

476
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: the lighting conditions and the windows in the place. All

477
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: of this was done with two unnamed to this day

478
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: criminal associates. As with all his other work, there was

479
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: no violence and no coercion.

480
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Do we think that these associates are insiders, like who

481
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: work in somehow in the farm.

482
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: And my guess is that's how he got the keys.

483
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You said, the duplicate keys and

484
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: now he's got the lighting conditions.

485
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, probably insiders. Zaron, close your eyes

486
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: to make Sarin.

487
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

488
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: It's the night of May twenty sixth, eighteen seventy six.

489
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: You are the portrait of Georgiana Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire.

490
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: You've recently been installed at the Thomas Agnu and Sons

491
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: Gallery in London. You missed the Dowager's House where you'd

492
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 3: been hanging out pun intended for a while. But this

493
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: place is nice. The staff are so excited you're here,

494
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: and so many people come through to give you the eye.

495
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: They marvel at your beauty, your composition. They're proud of you.

496
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: You are eating this up. The last employee of the

497
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: gallery has just left. Do you hear the back door lock?

498
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: And silence falls across the rooms in the gallery. Some

499
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: time elapses, and then you hear keys open the back door.

500
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: It's still dark out, middle of the night. Really, someone

501
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: must have left something behind you. Hear light footsteps and

502
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: the creak of the polished wood floors. Someone is approaching.

503
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: The feet walk with steady determination purpose. They stop right

504
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: in front of you. In the slight shard of moonlight

505
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: coming through a skylight, you see a face. It's a

506
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: man you've seen before, someone who's come to admire you

507
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: a few times, always very well dressed. He's ruggedly handsome,

508
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: full head of well claffed hair and a healthy mustache.

509
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: He stares at you in no rush, not nervous, sure

510
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: of himself. He reaches out and traces a finger along

511
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: your frame. You feel a tingle in your canvas. Why, sir,

512
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: you wish you could gasp. He takes a step back

513
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: and then approaches again, this time lifting you off the wall.

514
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: He turns you around and you now face the rich

515
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: blue wall you feel and begin to unfasten the frame

516
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: from around you. With a tender touch, he gently lifts

517
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: the brackets used to keep you pent and stretched for display.

518
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: In an instant, you are free, the tension removed, You

519
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: flop forward, your midsection loose as gentle as ever. The

520
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: man tenderly rolls you up, not too tight, but still firm.

521
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: He slides you into a heavy, unbleached cotton sleeve and

522
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: holds you under his arm. He uses his other arm

523
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: to replace the empty frame on the wall where you

524
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: just hung. Then he turns and heads for the back door.

525
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: You know there is a guard up front. He has

526
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: apparently heard nothing. The two of you reached the back door,

527
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: he opens it, steps out into the night, closes the door,

528
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: and then locks it with the set of keys produced

529
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: from his pocket. Off you go into the night with

530
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: this mystery man. You are sure more adventure awaits, and

531
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: you feel no fear, no sense of danger. You believe

532
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: your namesake the visage that launched you would agree, so

533
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: Worth was able to steal what was the like the

534
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: most famous painting in London at the time, never damaged

535
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: the painting or the frame.

536
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: This is like the Mona Lisa of London.

537
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he left everything undisturbed all around it, no

538
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: signs of forest entry, no witnesses saw him, no police

539
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: patrols notice anything. The disappearance wasn't discovered until the next

540
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: morning they walk in, She's gone And it was one

541
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: of the most humiliating unsolved robberies in London art history

542
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: at the time. Exactly, so contrary to criminal custom, like

543
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: I said, he didn't try and sell the painting. He

544
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: kept it as this private trophy because that's what they

545
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: kept thinking, Oh, this thing's going to pop up on

546
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: the market somewhere. He carried it with him for years

547
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: in a specially constructed case.

548
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

549
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So by the late eighteen seventies.

550
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: Are he like falling in love with it?

551
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: It was just it meant like everything. It meant like

552
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: it was the symbol.

553
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: But I mean it's also like, as.

554
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: He called it, it was a talisman. So once he

555
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: had that, that was like he had to carry it

556
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: with him. Late eighteen seventies though he is the absolute

557
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: unquestioned leader of the most sophisticated non violent criminal network

558
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: in the Western world.

559
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Completely, I'm wondering why he's on this show.

560
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: Well, London was only one component of his expanding operations,

561
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: and so by the next decade he had like he

562
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: had spread out far beyond Britain.

563
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure he's working Russia and South Africa.

564
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: Well let's take a pause for some ads. I know

565
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: you love them ads. Yum yum, give me some. That's

566
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: what you yelled during every ad.

567
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: I got my wallet, Yeah, I start throwing money at

568
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: the microphones.

569
00:31:39,000 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Back in the flash, Zeren adam Worth, Adam Worth. So

570
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: he rocked to the east coast of the US, went

571
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: to London, became a legend, and then he branched out

572
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: further onto the continent. So records like you were saying,

573
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: records from Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, all these police archives

574
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: show the presence of his associates all throughout this place.

575
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: His organization targeted high value jewelry shipments, banks and like

576
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: wealthy travelers. So Paris at the time had this wealthy aristocracy,

577
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: growing bourgeois class, so this was like a natural target

578
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: for jewel theft, and his teams frequently operated during the

579
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: summer social season, so he wasn't just fencing through these places.

580
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: Now or drawing members of his syndicate cultural moments. Yeah,

581
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: he's going they're committing crimes there. So the French elite,

582
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: they're vacationing at coastal resorts and they're bringing all their

583
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: like lavish jewelry. Yeah, they want to show off to

584
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: the Yes, exactly. In Belgium, the banking centers like in Antwerp,

585
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: in Liege, they offered all these like fabulous opportunities for forgery,

586
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: financial fraud. Then you have the German cities like Berlin

587
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: Hamburg again were transit points for stolen goods and forged documents,

588
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: and so he designed trans national routes for moving stolen merchandise,

589
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: like we said. And then the biggest thing about that

590
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: is that there was no cooperation between these nations. Yeah,

591
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: so the law enforcement couldn't track things once it left

592
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: whichever country.

593
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: They basically only communicate through the telegraph at this point.

594
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he went to Egypt in the early eighteen eighties, Yeah,

595
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: because he saw opportunity and strife there. So it's this

596
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: really tumultuous environment after the Anglo Egyptian War. So European officers, diplomats,

597
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: businessmen would go through Cairo and Alexandria carrying like tons

598
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: of cash.

599
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: Jewelry largely unguarded.

600
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Worth's organization exploited those those vulnerabilities. He also

601
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: leveraged like the bustling port activity there to move stolen

602
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: goods really discreetly, because you could bribe anybody at Forge manifest.

603
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: It would be so much fun to rob a modern

604
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: major general of the British Empire in Cairo.

605
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: Soup. Yes, I know, I can see it. And so

606
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: then we have South Africa. So the diamond mines of

607
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: Kimberly were notorious for theft, smuggling, corruption. So you have

608
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: all these African laborers, they're under brutal conditions and like

609
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: a lot of them would try and sneak diamonds out

610
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: of the mines. Yeah, the stolen stones needed you needed

611
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: a sophisticated fence network to get those to market. So

612
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: he didn't personally participate in those mind thefts, but his

613
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: org organization did a lot with in terms of like

614
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: purchasing the stolen diamonds and moving him to Europe, so

615
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: he would have anonymous purchasing agents, coded letters forged shipping papers.

616
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: They really started this like international scale of laundering diamonds.

617
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: So by the mid eighteen eighties, he's wealthy, respected by criminals,

618
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: feared by police, loved by society. His visibility was increasing

619
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: because he had like now he has more and more

620
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: international travel patterns. It's starting to make him a person

621
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: of interest for all these various European police forces.

622
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: He's got to be starting to show up at too

623
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: many places where there're exactly.

624
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: And so because he's not, he's now he's branching out,

625
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: branching out. And at the time too, surveillance techniques are improving.

626
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because you now you started getting the

627
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: modern detective work right.

628
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: And as you said, telegraph communication, like that's how they're communicating,

629
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: but it's faster and faster and worth He's now in

630
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: his forties, he's starting to take greater risk. So his

631
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: downfall came in Belgium during a robbery that fell way

632
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: below his usual standards. So October fifth, eighteen ninety two,

633
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: he and these two associates, they tried to burglarize the

634
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: American Express office in Liege.

635
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: Okay, which used to be like the Western Union where

636
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: they're sending money and stuff.

637
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: So they actually exactly and so police later testified that

638
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: their actions were suspicious from the jump, and they made

639
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: repeated visits. They asked really weird questions. They'd go in

640
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: there and be like, oh, I don't know how much

641
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: money did you have the counter right now? That's just

642
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: I'm just curious.

643
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: How big is your safe? Like roughly speaking in Cubic.

644
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: Sit made a.

645
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: Look and they they were behaving in a way that

646
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: was totally uncharacteristic of his typical, meticulous planning. And some

647
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: say that like he's starting to slip due to stress

648
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: or financial pressure. Others are like, you know, he was

649
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: just emotionally exhausted. He had no spoons left zarinving this

650
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: double life. Plus his wife's health was declining, mainly her

651
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: mental health, like she was having some issues. And then

652
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: also like his criminal network as it grew, it started

653
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: to get a little more fragmented. Whatever the cause, the

654
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: robbery was a disaster. So the Belgian police they got

655
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: a tip about this AMEX heist, so they were there

656
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: waiting when Worth and his accomplices broke in and there was.

657
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: Like a struggle inside.

658
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, oh hey, what's up, and there's this

659
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: little struggle ensues. But then Worth he's like, no, no,

660
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: we don't use violence, all right, surrender peacefully and so.

661
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: But he did give a false name. However, you know

662
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: who shows up, the Pinkertons.

663
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Speaker 2: What they crossed the Atlantic.

664
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Speaker 3: They had been him for years, up stories about and

665
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: they were in English, I'm looking for him. Then they

666
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: hit the continent.

667
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: Um, yeah, they.

668
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: Were the ones who identified him. They heard about this.

669
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Speaker 3: They show up. They're like, no, no, no, we know who

670
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: that is. He gets convicted and sentenced to seven years

671
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: in prison. And the prison was harsh there, but orderly,

672
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: and he was like he was a perfect model prisoner,

673
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: and so that got him privileges and like reduced some

674
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Speaker 3: of the hostility from the guards. But with him behind bars,

675
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: his empire was ruined. Like the syndicate totally fell apart

676
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: without his leadership. Some of the members were arrested, others

677
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: retired or like fled to South America. His wife suffered

678
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: a total mental collapse and had to be committed to

679
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Speaker 3: an institution. His two kids. I mean, because think about it,

680
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: she's already struggling and then she finds out like her

681
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: world is rocked. Yeah, the kids they get put into

682
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: a boarding school, but they didn't know how they were

683
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: going to afford this. His health starts to decline. He's

684
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: like rapidly aging. So he once was this suave criminal mastermind.

685
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: Now he's like a thin, sickly introspective schedule of who

686
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: he was. Yeah. So he gets released in eighteen ninety

687
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: seven early for good behavior. He's fifty three. He's diminished,

688
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: but he is determined to rebuild some semblance of stability

689
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: for his kids. He had one asset remaining, the Gainsborough

690
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: portrait that he never no. He had left it with

691
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: a trusted associate before his arrest, and so that was

692
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: his bargaining chip. So he gets out. He goes to

693
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: the United States and he seeks out Pinkerton. What Yes,

694
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Speaker 3: the detective whose pursuit of him had spanned three decades

695
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 3: at this point. So surprisingly, Pinkerton's like, yeah, I'll meet

696
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 3: with you. I mean, at this point he's not he's

697
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: done his time.

698
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: Does Pinkerton write about him in one of his books?

699
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

700
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

701
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: So they meet and and they developed this like weird

702
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: mutual respect. I bet, and Pinkerton was like he really

703
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: admired Worth's discipline and how he was nonviolent. Worth respected

704
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: how tenacious Pinkerton was, and so Worth proposes a deal.

705
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll return the Gainesboro if the gallery pays

706
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: this huge amount to fund my children's care. And Pinkerton

707
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: he wants to get his name on there as the

708
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 3: one who resolved one of the most famous art thefts

709
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: in history. So it's like, I will act as the

710
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: intermediary to make this happen. So they go back and

711
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: forth negotiations for months, and then finally the gallery agrees.

712
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: So the handover took place in eighteen ninety nine in Paris.

713
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: So Worth personally delivered the painting rolled up still in

714
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: the protective case, in excellent perfect condition.

715
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: And is he claiming that he stole it or he

716
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: knows where it is?

717
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

718
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: No, you want.

719
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: To want it back. So the return of the portrait

720
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: front page news worldwide.

721
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Speaker 2: I bet so.

722
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Speaker 3: With the funds from the settlement, Worth regained custody of

723
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: his children. He moved them all to London, living quietly

724
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: under his real name. In Kensington. He opened a modest

725
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: private inquiry office. He became a PI and occasionally he

726
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: worked with the Pinkertons on minor jobs. Hacker, yes, exactly,

727
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: So he wasn't wealthy, but he was able to have

728
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: like a stable life for his family. He he did

729
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: still have ill health, and he would he loved to

730
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: tell stories about his exploits. Oh yeah, and he would

731
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: tell like trusted acquaintances. But he never betrayed former associates.

732
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: He kept his like really strict criminal cod Pickerton operatives

733
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: continued to visit him, but they came because they were

734
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 3: fascinating by the wisdom and the perspective that he had

735
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: gained and could share with them for their detecting totally,

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Speaker 3: you know development.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like visiting Hannibal Lecter if you're an

738
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: FBI agent, right, it's just like I need help on

739
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: findingding the guy.

740
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: About the Criminal Behavior Unit in the FBI came about

741
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: of interviewing all those serials. Yeah, ida thing, so Adam Worth.

742
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: He died on January eighth, nineteen oh two, at the

743
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: age of fifty seven of complications of pneumonia. He's buried

744
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: at Highgates Cemetery, which is one of London's most prestigious

745
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: Victorian burial grounds. Karl Marx is.

746
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: Buried just about say, as long as I know it,

747
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: so is.

748
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Speaker 3: George Michael Douglas Adams and Malcolm McLaren.

749
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: George Michael okay when yeah, I just doing the math there.

750
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Adam Worth's headstone the first.

751
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: I went with George sand I was like, that's not

752
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: what you said.

753
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: It's Orge Michelle. His headstone has his real name on it.

754
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: Adam Worth. His kids, they you know, were very close

755
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: to him, even though he was gone on so often.

756
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: They're the ones who arranged for the grave and maintained

757
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: it for years, so they didn't have there was no

758
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: hard feelings.

759
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: They you know, they forgave and forgot.

760
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so to speak, and know his death did not

761
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: diminish his influence. Instead, his legend just grew. How so

762
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: I can hear the masses yelling from their open windows

763
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: so exactly. In eighteen ninety three, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

764
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: introduced Professor James Moriarty in the Sherlock Holmes novel The

765
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: Final Problem. So Moriarty is described as a mastermind controlling

766
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: a vast network of criminals, a strategist who avoids violence

767
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: but orchestrates brilliant crimes from behind the scenes. Victorian readers

768
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: immediately recognized the parallel.

769
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Speaker 2: Totally, even down to the being a mathematician, you like

770
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: being good at math.

771
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: In Scotland, Yards inspector John Shore had publicly called Adam

772
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: Worth quote the Napoleon of crime. That exact phrase is

773
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: used to describe Moriarty in the Final Problem.

774
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: That's why I was wondering, how can you be that

775
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: that's moriorty.

776
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: So Doyle adopted the phrase directly. And though Moriarty was

777
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: a mathematician rather than a thief, the structural similarities discipline, invisibility,

778
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: organization unmistakable to everybody. And this made sense because there

779
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: were a lot of London crime reporters who corresponded with

780
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: detective agencies and covered the Worth story who were also

781
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: part of like Doyle's professional orbit. So George Salah, he

782
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: was a journalist for the Daily Telegraph. He wrote about

783
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: Worth and you know, quote the Napoleon of the underworld.

784
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: Doyle admired and followed Sala's writing. He also mingled with

785
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: all these journalists and editors who wrote about real crime syndicates.

786
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: Worth's name frequently appeared in those discussions, and Doyle's editor,

787
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: Herbert Greeno Smith definitely knew the Worth legend. And then

788
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: there was Pankerton. I love this so The clearest bridge

789
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: between Work and Moriarty is Pinkerton. So as we know,

790
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 3: he tracked Worth for decades and he amassed the most

791
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: complete file on him. And Doyle was part of the

792
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: same upper middle class London social world that Pinkerton moved

793
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: in when he traveled to England, so they crossed paths.

794
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: Worth didn't just influence literature, he also contributed to the

795
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: development of international policing cooperation. Yeah, it's like his ability

796
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: to slip the borders expose the weaknesses of having all

797
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: these fragmented police systems. The Pinkertons in particular used their

798
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: pursuit of Worth as a model for creating trans national

799
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: investigative practices.

800
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: So wait, did they kind of not like singularly but

801
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: inspire interpots?

802
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow, he you know, he was one of the

803
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: main contributors. So hit like all of his meticulous planning

804
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: inspired Scotland Yard to adopt more systematic surveillance techniques. They

805
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: started up with dossier's and they started, okay, we'll coordinate

806
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: with foreign agencies.

807
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: We'll come up with a flying squad.

808
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: His story has inspired books, documentaries, fictionalized portrayals. He's like

809
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: the archetype of the gentleman, criminal, cultured, non violent, intelligent, enigmatic,

810
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: and he gets you know, romanticized.

811
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: He's the archetype, one of the best criminals of all times. Yes, Mariarty, like.

812
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: His crimes are real. His ability to exploit the weaknesses

813
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: of global capitalism is so profound. Aaron, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

814
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 5: Man?

815
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: That was great? They well the fact that I have

816
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: to admit I did not know this guy's criminal career,

817
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: or did he inspired Moriarty. I didn't know he was

818
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: inspired by a real person. And I love Mariarty obviously.

819
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm not like reading the Wikipedia page of Moriarty. I'm

820
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: just reading this the Conan Doyle stories and appreciating him

821
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: as a character, watching the movies, appreciating as a character,

822
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: and had no idea, never even thought to think, wow,

823
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: I want to read Bay he's not a real guy.

824
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: I just assumed he was, Like, it's so fantastically he

825
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: had to come out of Coden Doyle's imagination.

826
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: Right, No real guy, I thought.

827
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, I always thought it was

828
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: him portraying himself as a villain, like this is what

829
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: I would be Like.

830
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: I have no idea, And then I stumbled upon this guy.

831
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Speaker 2: What's your tis Elizabeth?

832
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: This is again one of those cases where we can

833
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 3: kind of admire a criminal because he's non violent. He's

834
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: punching up, yeah, and he's just a fascinating character. Plus

835
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: he hung out with a guy piano Charlie.

836
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, and he's walking around with a

837
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: very famous painting in a special case he created as

838
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: a lucky child.

839
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely pristine.

840
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, an unbleached cotton cloth.

841
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: I love it. I think I need to talk back

842
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: after that.

843
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: I think we both.

844
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Speaker 5: Oh my god. I hey is Aaron and Elizabeth. This

845
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Speaker 5: is Sarah from Texas and like this week's Flapper bandit,

846
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Speaker 5: I attended the University of Texas at Austin. My tuition

847
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Speaker 5: was completely covered by my parents' military benefits, and somehow

848
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Speaker 5: I still came out with fifty thousand dollars in student loans.

849
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Speaker 5: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Yeah, welcome to higher education in the United States.

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Speaker 6: I love that it got covered, but not loving the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred. Guest hair

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Speaker 3: and makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are

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Speaker 3: Scotland Yard Detectives Just one week from retirement, Ben Bollen

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Speaker 3: and Noel Brown. Crime say It one more time. Udiquious Crime.

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