WEBVTT -  Part Four: Jimmy Savile: Britain's Unending Nightmare

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Well, come to Behind the Bastards, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about the very worst people in all of history that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you just want to change up how you introduce

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<v Speaker 2>your show, you know, just the same way every time.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy this is the biggest bastard.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, guy, this guy's in the running, is to say, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he's way up there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a bigger bastard than all the pollen in the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking air right now is turning.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of control, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, terrible. Another twelve months of winter. Come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the real winter. This time.

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<v Speaker 4>I have the opposite, you know when people are like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my gosh, I get seasonal depression in the winter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, no winter, rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, winter is so much better. You know what's even

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<v Speaker 2>better than winter? Learning about a Well, Courtney's gonna start

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<v Speaker 2>anyway with our guest Courtney Kosa. Hello, Courtney, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you feeling? Hello as we talk about this monster?

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<v Speaker 5>Glad to be back for another horrific episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, well, we're glad to have you back. We

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<v Speaker 2>love having you on the show. We love tormenting you

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<v Speaker 2>with horrible things. That's what you do with your friends,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you gather together, spend time talking about Jimmy Saville.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you do with your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I don't have that many of them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what Jimmy Savile does with his friends, is.

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<v Speaker 2>What Jimmy Saville did with his friends. Yeah, yeah, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a lot of these same crimes. I presume with

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<v Speaker 2>his cop friends at least.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>So we left off last episode with me mentioning that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk more about the Duncroft approved school

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<v Speaker 2>for girls and like approved schools or government approved schools

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<v Speaker 2>where you like send kids who were having trouble. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things happening at the time is that

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<v Speaker 2>in this period of like mental health history in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this kind of belief that you have a girls

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<v Speaker 2>or kids in general, who are having specific kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>problems that are like troubled mentally to a significant extent.

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<v Speaker 2>In some cases, it's best if the state treats them

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<v Speaker 2>rather than their family. Right, And Duncroft is an experimental

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<v Speaker 2>facility which sought to use psychotherapy too, as Davi's rights

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<v Speaker 2>for in his book In Plain Sight correct the behavioral

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<v Speaker 2>defects of the girls placed in its Care. Duncroft was

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<v Speaker 2>specifically a school for troubled girls who were seen as intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, what that really means is that these are

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<v Speaker 2>the children of prominent and wealthy families primarily, not like exclusively,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of Duncroft girls come from quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>good families right per the book In Plain Sight, girls

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<v Speaker 2>were sent to Duncroft for a variety of misdemeanors. One

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<v Speaker 2>girl who arrived at the school as a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old in nineteen seventy two insisted years later that half

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<v Speaker 2>the girls were there as punishment for being the victims

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<v Speaker 2>of sexual abuse, the crime of having sex underage, as

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<v Speaker 2>we thought it. Others were put in Margaret Jones's care,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the woman running the facility, for dabbling with drugs

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<v Speaker 2>and arexia, attempting suicide, or for running away from children's

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<v Speaker 2>homes or abusive parents. So some of these kids are

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<v Speaker 2>just kids who you know, got have been shuffled through

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<v Speaker 2>the system, but were noted as being like intelligence, and

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe you know it's worth trying to reform them.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of these girls are like rich girls

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<v Speaker 2>who have embarrassed their parents.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a really good way to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and often embarrassed them by getting molested, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>by their parents or by an uncle or something one

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<v Speaker 2>of these rich creeps. Yeah, so that's kind of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on here now. As I noted, the headmistress of

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<v Speaker 2>the school for much of its existence was Margaret Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>and she absolutely loved Jimmy Savile. Because Duncroft was a

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<v Speaker 2>school for the daughters of prominent people, attracted a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of celebrity attention when fundraising was needed. Savell very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>became the most prominent and reliable, famous friend of the school.

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<v Speaker 2>For an obvious reason. It gave him access to teenaged girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Saville was seen as a good volunteer, he was

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to sleep overnight at Duncroft with some regularity. He

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<v Speaker 2>was even allowed to take Yeah. Yeah, they let him

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<v Speaker 2>crash there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, that is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's wild. How many hospitals and facilities just do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he stays overnight a bunch of times. Uh huh, happens constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>He was even allowed to take girls off campus in

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<v Speaker 2>his car for day trips. Many of these patients were

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<v Speaker 2>eager for the opportunity to escape because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a fun place to be, right. Margaret's theory

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<v Speaker 2>is that one of the ways you fix these kids

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<v Speaker 2>who have behavioral problems you give them like shitloads of chores,

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<v Speaker 2>so like constant chores or seems like a therapeutic aid.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a boring place where you're being kept away

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<v Speaker 2>from like your friends and your music and like parties

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<v Speaker 2>and the things that like a normal age girl would like,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just doing chores all the time. And then

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<v Speaker 2>this famous guy shows up and is like, Hey, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>want to ride? You want to leave school for a day? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see why this is appealing to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these young ladies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, starting at nineteen six running these places that are.

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<v Speaker 2>Allowing Margaret Jones, qualified people, Sophie, qualified people who love

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<v Speaker 2>this man Jimmy, who's just good at raising money. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a saint. He's the next best thing to a saint

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much. You know, all he does is raise money

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<v Speaker 2>for good costs and volunteer. Is time these other celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>are out partying and living it up. Jimmy's volunteering as

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<v Speaker 2>an orderly you know, at a bunch of hospitals, like

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<v Speaker 2>a surprising suspicious number of hospitals and he sleeps there

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. What a great guy. Now starting. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the weird things about this is that Margaret's nephew is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Myron Jones, and it's spelled weird in

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<v Speaker 2>the British way. Myron Jones becomes like a journalist, like

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<v Speaker 2>a BBC journalist, and actually he is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys who will report on Jimmy later, but as like

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, he just is seeing Jimmy at Duncroft regularly

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<v Speaker 2>when he's visiting his aunt, and like I think his

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<v Speaker 2>parents both work there at least part time, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>around Duncroft all the time, and he just notes like

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<v Speaker 2>weird guys around a lot. He would later say he

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<v Speaker 2>was full of banter, though had no real conversation as such.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a feeling that he was somebody with whom

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't really know what was going on. One time,

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<v Speaker 2>Myron saw Saville leave the school with three girls in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of his convertible. He recalls his parents getting

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<v Speaker 2>angry about this and confronting his aunt about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>her response was just he's a friend of the school.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you worried? He's a friend of the school.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, it's fine, don't look into it. Good so convenient,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really convenient. We don't know how many Duncroft girls

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<v Speaker 2>were abused by Saville, but after the coming of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>increasing numbers of former patients began discussing abuse that they

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<v Speaker 2>had endured while at Duncroft on the Internet. In two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, and at that point, fifty year old

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Carrie wrote a biography as part of a

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<v Speaker 2>therapeutic exercise to deal with a lifetime of trauma and

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<v Speaker 2>abuse which had started in care homes and approved schools,

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<v Speaker 2>including Duncroft, where she'd been sent in nineteen seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>at age fourteen. So she writes, this autobiography is like

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<v Speaker 2>a therapeutic exercise, and she publishes it online. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this online autobiography she writes about the people who molested her,

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<v Speaker 2>one of whom was a celebrity, and she doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give his name because again the UK has really

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<v Speaker 2>strict libel laws, so she just calls him JS. Who

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<v Speaker 2>do we think that is?

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<v Speaker 3>I got one guess?

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<v Speaker 2>Could it be Dame Judy Dench. I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's impossible to say she's wrapped it in such a

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<v Speaker 2>cipher we'll never know likely. Yeah, So she writes about

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<v Speaker 2>this celebrity JS who visits Duncroft regularly and whenever he

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<v Speaker 2>shows up, he brings cartons of cigarettes for the girls

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<v Speaker 2>and records which he hands out his gifts. That tells

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot about the time. That like the number

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<v Speaker 2>one gift for fourteen year old girls cigarettes, cigarettes and records.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so normal, Like the facility is like, of

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<v Speaker 2>course the girls can have cigarettes. Obviously, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep them away from their friends and from like going

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<v Speaker 2>to shows and hang it out, but they can smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we're not demons here. Obviously they need their

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<v Speaker 2>three packs a day. Jesus, I was reading something. We're

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<v Speaker 2>like in the sixties, the average American smoked like four

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<v Speaker 2>thousand cigarettes a year. What a time we need to

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<v Speaker 2>go back now that we know they're harmless. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we need to go back to smoking all the time. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the one funny part.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the one funny part is that all these kids

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<v Speaker 2>are chain smoking. Oh man, just cartons. Yes, this man

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<v Speaker 2>came to the girls school with cartons of cigarettes and

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<v Speaker 2>records and then stayed overnight. No way to have known

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing something bad. How could we have guessed

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<v Speaker 2>he was hurting these kids.

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<v Speaker 4>The least he should have done to these kids is

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<v Speaker 4>give them cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>So Carrie came to cherish Savile's visits because it meant

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<v Speaker 2>an escape from her boring, ordinary day to day life,

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<v Speaker 2>and it meant that she got attention. Right, Kids like attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids need attention. It is good for them to some extent,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's necessary for children to have attention from adults.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're in a place, your fucking family's basically

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<v Speaker 2>been like, yeah, ship her off to the fucking kid

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<v Speaker 2>jail where you're just doing chores all the fuck. You're

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<v Speaker 2>desperate for attention. And here is a famous charismatic guy

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<v Speaker 2>beloved by the whole country, including the royals and the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister, and he's paying attention to you. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see why that's appealing to a fucking fourteen year old,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen year old girl, right, So she likes the visits

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<v Speaker 2>like she cherishes them, but she also writes quote it

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<v Speaker 2>it being hanging out and going on a day trip

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<v Speaker 2>with Jimmy also meant one had to put up with

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<v Speaker 2>being mauled and groped when he pulled into a lay

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<v Speaker 2>by some five miles along the road. I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>only girl JS favored with this either. In fact, he

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<v Speaker 2>often tried to press me to go further than simply

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<v Speaker 2>fondling him and allowing him to grope inside my knickers

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<v Speaker 2>at my partly formed breasts. He promised me all manner

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<v Speaker 2>of good things if I would give him oral sex,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually she agrees and does it. And the bargain

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<v Speaker 2>is that Savile will take her to see him record

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<v Speaker 2>one of his TV shows at the BBC. And he

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<v Speaker 2>does follow through with this promise as far as I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell, I think he pretty much always does. Like

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<v Speaker 2>when he promises to take a girl he's molesting to

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<v Speaker 2>go see an episode of whatever show be recorded at

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC, or to meet the Beatles or whatever, to

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<v Speaker 2>get into a concert. He pretty much always, as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I can tell, follow through that it's easy, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's easier like if you're if you're actually like not

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<v Speaker 2>following through. Some people are gonna tell right, like you'll

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<v Speaker 2>deal with more problems. You know, this isn't a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing about him, It's just that's how it works better, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a big part of why the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>is implicated because over the years Jimmy takes will never

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<v Speaker 2>know how many at least dozens, probably hundreds of girls

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<v Speaker 2>that he is abusing onto BBC property for a period

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<v Speaker 2>of nearly half a century. For decades he is taking

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<v Speaker 2>teenage girls, maybe taking teenage boys he's abusing too, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't recall coming across those accounts, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely for decades taking underage girls that he is molesting

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<v Speaker 2>and raping onto BBC property in order as part of

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse. That's part of the quote unquote transaction that

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<v Speaker 2>he's arranged with these kids. And so the BBC, like

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<v Speaker 2>his abuse of hundreds and hundreds of children and adults

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<v Speaker 2>would not have been possible without the eager and ready

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<v Speaker 2>assistance of the British Broadcasting Corporation. There is simply no

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<v Speaker 2>other way to say it. The BBC was a rigid

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<v Speaker 2>organization with a strict hierarchy, where talent set up top

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<v Speaker 2>and a culture of fear, as identified by the Dame

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<v Speaker 2>Janet Smith Review, ensured lower level employees new reporting abuse

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<v Speaker 2>by a star would be the end of their careers. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just known, you don't talk shit about the performers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the ones making money for everybody, so they get

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<v Speaker 2>to do what they want. And if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>ruin the party, you're not going to have a career

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<v Speaker 2>at the only place really to have a career in

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<v Speaker 2>television in Britain at this time. That's good.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the career and the libel laws like make this

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<v Speaker 5>terrible combination.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. It's this mix of these two things

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is most of why this happens, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the complicity of the British ruling class who needs

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy to make austerity seem more palatable. As the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighties wore on, Savill grew only grew more and more

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<v Speaker 2>skilled at finding victims and discouraging them from talking to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>This was not hard, since the man had become a

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<v Speaker 2>regular guest, not just in Margaret Thatcher's household. She like

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<v Speaker 2>invites him over for holidays sometimes like he comes over

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<v Speaker 2>and has dinner with some regularity, and he is also

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<v Speaker 2>a somewhat regular guest of the royal family. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five, Savill convinced Prince Charles and Princess Die to

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<v Speaker 2>guest host a two hour anti drug special called Drugs

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<v Speaker 2>Watch with him. That's good again. We know he's drugging

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<v Speaker 2>some of the girls and boys that he's raping, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we have reports of that, sometimes just giving them alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, anyway, thanks for the anti drug PSA, Jimmy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it helped. That same year, yeah, I must have.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god Princess Die and Prince Charles were there too,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really to lend an air of responsibility to

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<v Speaker 2>the proceedings. I'm sure that got a lot of kids

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<v Speaker 2>at a bad place.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>That same year, during an event for healthcare officials, Prince

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<v Speaker 2>Charles jokingly referred to Savill as my health advisor. He

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<v Speaker 2>talks about him constantly. Saville was also known to Pope

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<v Speaker 2>John Paul the Second who met so Pope John Paul

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<v Speaker 2>like visits England during this period for like the first

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<v Speaker 2>time a Pope had visited London in some period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe I don't know, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal obviously, given like the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>Church of England, right, how the Church of England starts

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<v Speaker 2>as this breakaway from the Catholic Church, and there's generations

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<v Speaker 2>for which the Catholic Church is suppressed violently in in

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<v Speaker 2>England and in Ireland. Obviously, so the fact that a

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<v Speaker 2>pope is visiting England is like a big deal, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And John Paul the second he'd been shot over in

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<v Speaker 2>the USSR. He's like a big deal pope and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first people the Pope meets when he lands

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<v Speaker 2>in London. This is on TV. This is a major event.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he walks right up to and shakes hands with

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Saville. This is this is like a major part.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's one of the first people the Pope meets

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<v Speaker 2>in England because Saffle's like a famous Catholic.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the Pope ironically like the only non pedophile in

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<v Speaker 5>this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wouldn't say, I don't. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to bat for JP the second that

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<v Speaker 2>hard Okay, we know he definitely I am certain Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a I'm not an expert on John Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>The second specific involvement in the Catholic churches covering up

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<v Speaker 2>of sex crimes. But I don't believe he was uninvolved.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so I'm certainly not gonna say that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the pope while the Catholic Church was hiding like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt he was completely in the clear. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not an expert on his involvement there. Sure, sure

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, he's in charge and it's happening in his organization.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the rare but not that rare instances where

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<v Speaker 2>people did try to report on Saffle's behavior. As I noted,

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<v Speaker 2>he is an expert on the UK's libel laws and

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<v Speaker 2>these are to make a long story, shirt, your laws

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<v Speaker 2>suck UK, and I know I'm in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot of shitty laws and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. UK libel laws are fucking bullshit and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a massive problem. This is a part of the problem

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<v Speaker 2>with like Rowling right where people are getting in legal

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<v Speaker 2>trouble for saying accurate things about JK. Rowling being a

0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking bigot like Jimmy Savill is very good and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of bad people are very good at using the

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<v Speaker 2>UK's libel laws as a weapon in order to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure people don't report on the bad things that they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And basically, if you're trying to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 2>these rumors or even reports, and you can't prove outright

0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.720
<v Speaker 2>that Savile's a child predator, reporting even reporting on individual

0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.120
<v Speaker 2>allegations could get you in massive trouble. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be extremely careful. Now, I think people are even more

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<v Speaker 2>cowardly in the media than the real level of legal

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<v Speaker 2>risk justifies. I think there is added cowardice on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But the cowardice starts with the chilling effect

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<v Speaker 2>that's created when you have laws like this. So any

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<v Speaker 2>journalist or paper that wanted to write about jim is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be beset with legal effects, which I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the end result of this is that in most publications

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<v Speaker 2>throughout most of the period of time where Jimmy Savill

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<v Speaker 2>is abusing people, they're just automatically spiking any story about

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<v Speaker 2>his private life quote unquote private life. Right, anytime anyone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to talk about is Jimmy Savile raping people, those

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<v Speaker 2>stories just get spiked automatically because legal is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to let it through. Right, Why even try, right, Who's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna who would want to risk your newspapers survival to

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<v Speaker 2>report on some he said, she said thing about a

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<v Speaker 2>beloved humanitarian like Jimmy Saffle. That's the argument being made

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<v Speaker 2>by most of the major editors and most of the

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<v Speaker 2>major publications in the United Kingdom for decades.

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<v Speaker 5>I do get it, though, because you're publica, it's your

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<v Speaker 5>publication on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Line, and you don't know, you know, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>plugged into this whole world, you don't know the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe all you're hearing is, oh, he's dating a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like eighteen or seventeen year olds. That's legal.

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<v Speaker 2>I may think it's gross, but I'm not gonna destroy

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<v Speaker 2>my newspaper to report on a guy having legal sex

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who's young. That's how a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>think about it right now. That said, a lot of

0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 2>people go much further than they need to and clamping

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<v Speaker 2>down on this even based on the fear because of

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<v Speaker 2>just like cowardice, and it's easier and in some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's writing columns for their fucking papers. As we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about in the last episodes or last week. So as

0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy ghost from his thirties to his forties, rumors continue

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<v Speaker 2>to dog him about his outrageous lifestyle. But it's never

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<v Speaker 2>framed as pedophilia, right, It's always he's just this eternal bachelor.

0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.000
<v Speaker 2>He's really got an active social life. He's always surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by girls, but in the way that they don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>literal children, even though that's actually what's happening. Like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how people talk about this when he's interviewed and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>because people ask him like, Hey, it's weird you're not married.

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any like serious long term relationships? Are you,

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<v Speaker 2>like with anybody long term? He would justify the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he never got married or had long term relationships

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<v Speaker 2>by explaining his belief that being in a relationship causes

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<v Speaker 2>brain damage, particularly in women, and he wants to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the brain damage, right, And in fact he gets wealth. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you get brain damaged when you when you get married,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I just don't want any of that

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<v Speaker 2>brain damage in my life. And as he gets wealthier's

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<v Speaker 2>that good?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, the brain and damage, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I will say being in a relationship does do

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<v Speaker 2>a degree a kind of brain damage to you. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good one, I think on the whole. You know,

0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 2>it's necessary. You're never you're not avoiding brain damage as

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<v Speaker 2>a person. You know, everyone everyone does gets something, But

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<v Speaker 2>Saville is so worried about this quote unquote brain damage

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<v Speaker 2>that even as he gets rich and he buys homes

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<v Speaker 2>and condos across the country, he makes sure that there

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<v Speaker 2>he has all of his houses refitted to take the

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<v Speaker 2>stoves out and to take the kitchen out, because he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that having a proper kitchen is part of what

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<v Speaker 2>makes girls get brain damaged. This is like a thing

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<v Speaker 2>he'll talk about and interviews. What again, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>this is just cover, right, This is him coming I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he actually even believes this necessarily. This is

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<v Speaker 2>him coming up with cover for why he's not with

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<v Speaker 2>anybody long term.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everyone knows he's dating, is on dates all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Everyone knows he's constant because he talks about

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and his coworkers will be like, yeah, he talked about

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 2>his sex life. He said, oh, I was with a

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<v Speaker 2>bird this weekend, or a lovely bird went out to

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<v Speaker 2>the coast or whatever. But they never hear their names

0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and or their ages, and they just assume he's a

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<v Speaker 2>star who's sleeping with a different woman every night. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not what's happening. But that's the assumption people make, and

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.640
<v Speaker 2>it's an assumption people are kind i think, often consciously

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<v Speaker 2>forcing themselves to make because they know something is bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't want to stir the pot, right, so

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, he's just he's a real swinger. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a hip guy. You know, he's just got a large

0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.639
<v Speaker 2>appetites or whatever. People find ways to have it not

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<v Speaker 2>be their problem.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like the libel laws should cover the slander

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<v Speaker 5>against all grown up women.

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<v Speaker 2>In a relationship. In relationship, yeah, shockingly, it doesn't that

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<v Speaker 2>you're clear on. Savell would also publicly in interviews he

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<v Speaker 2>would repeatedly insist that he hated children, right like, I

0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 2>don't like kids. I don't like them at all. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm not in a relationship. That's why I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any. I just don't actually like them.

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<v Speaker 4>Dog, were you not hosting a child show? What? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That people thought that was weird. It got people talking

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.439
<v Speaker 2>right about the he hates kids, but he does this

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 2>child show. He's basically Santa Claus. That's odd. And in

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the Twilight of Jimmy's career, documentarian Louis Thereaux asked him

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<v Speaker 2>like why do you say this, Like, why do you

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<v Speaker 2>say you hate kids, because, like I see you on TV,

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.400
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like you hate kids based on how

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you perform with them on stage. And Saville was like, well, yeah,

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 2>that's a lie basically, and he his exact response was,

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>we live in a very funny world, and it's easier

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<v Speaker 2>for me as a single man to say I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like children because that puts a lot of salacious tabloid

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 2>people off the hunt. Hunt of what, Jimmy a hunt

0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.679
<v Speaker 2>of what? Well, yeah, and Louie kind of asks, this

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 2>is I love Louis as a general rule, he doesn't

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.960
<v Speaker 2>go hard enough. He does do more than a lot

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.639
<v Speaker 2>of journalists did at the time, but it's not nearly

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 2>enough in this interview because he does basically ask him,

0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 2>are you a pedophile? And Jimmy's like, no, of course not.

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't want anyone looking into my life,

0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and so it just lies like this or easier. It

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 2>stops you from looking into your life. But you're just

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.359
<v Speaker 2>saying you're trying to throw people off the hunt. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not I want private hunt of what. Mostens did this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've made references. I have a long term partner that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been with for a while. Like, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>personal life, I've a roman I don't talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>in detail because people on the internet are weird and

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<v Speaker 2>like if you go into detail, if you let people

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<v Speaker 2>know who you're seeing or whatever, like folks are fucking

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<v Speaker 2>like you don't want to. The internet is filled with

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:09.239
<v Speaker 2>oddities and people. I've had people make very uncomfortable.

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Decision difference being private and secret, but this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a big difference. He's specifically saying, no, no, no, I

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>just lie about hating kids because it gets it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't look into what I really do.

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<v Speaker 6>Is this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know he's saying that. He admits that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>as an interview in like two thousand, but like he's

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 2>not completely hiding this shit.

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:33.160
<v Speaker 5>I am proud of Threau for asking are you a pedophile?

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll talk about Louis a little bit more. This

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>is there's a lot of This is probably, I mean,

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I think definitely the most critiqueable moment of his career.

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>I say that as a guy who's a general fan

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of the man's work. How he handles savile is not

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 2>He's not proud of it. I'll say that much. We'll

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 2>talk more, Okay, okay, But it's all this stuff, these

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 2>rumors about his outrageous lifestyle and like how promiscuous he is,

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 2>which he does talk about. It's interpreted again that like

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>this is just consensual sex with adult women. But the

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's talking about this at all does nearly

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.439
<v Speaker 2>derail Jimmy becoming Sir Jimmy. Right, this is something that

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>continually is a problem for him for like a decade.

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Is well, we don't want to give a knighthood to

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a guy who talks about this kind of stuff. But

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 2>old Maggie, she keeps pushing, you know, like she really

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is dedicated to this cause. And for an idea of

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 2>how well known at the time people are really aware

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that Thatcher is pushing for Jimmy to get a knighthood.

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to quote again from that our article Ferrol

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Kenney wrote for the UK Telegram. In a revealing nineteen

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>eighty two cartoon in the Sun, Savile is depicted as

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>a gangster complete with fedora and machine gun, with Margaret

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Thatcher showing him pictures of Arthur Skargel as well as

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>labor politicians Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Dennis Healy with

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 2>a caption bump off these lot and I'll see that

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you get a knighthood. So there's a recognition that Thatcher

0:24:56.040 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>is using saffle, he is an important and central wing

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.199
<v Speaker 2>of her pr machine, and also that he's doing it

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to get a knighthood. People are know this at the time.

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not, you know, hidden from anyone paying attention. In

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six, Margaret had her private secretary Nigel Wicks

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 2>right to the Honors Committee, saying that she was most

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 2>disappointed that mister Saville's name has not been recommended. He added,

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>she Thatcher wonders how many more times his name is

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>to be pushed aside, especially in view of all the

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 2>great work he had done for Stoke Mandibal. Right, He's

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>why are we delaying this guy getting a knighthood? Did

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you see he funded the spinal center that he hangs

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 2>out at an awful lot, like a weird amount.

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 3>They're doing great sleepovers.

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>It's important the we're in great sleep But we'll talk

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>about the sleepovers at Stoke Manibal. But first let's have

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a sleepover with our sponsors and we're back. It turns

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>out that's illegal, so we didn't have a sleepover with

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors. I apologize. So by this point, nineteen eighty

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>six or so, the age crisis is still too big

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>a deal, and Jimmy's sex scandals, as people talk about them,

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 2>are still too recent for him to get across the

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>finish line and become a night Another problem for Savile

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>comes when he's there's an interview about his days as

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 2>a club promoter, and he tells a lot of lurid

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 2>stories about having to beat people within an inch of

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>their live or I like the gang of thugs, that

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>he would sick on people and have them like savage folks, right,

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And that interview temporarily hurts his shot at getting a knighthood.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 2>But I've also read speculation and I think this is

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good take on it, that this isn't just

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 2>like him being sloppy and like, oh, I shouldn't have

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>done that because it caused problems for me. This is

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>also part of the tactic that keeps him safe because

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>by admitting, oh, I did violent stuff in my past,

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I had guys beaten up. I beat up guys, that

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>is basically copping to something illegal, But it's also something

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 2>that no one's going to care about because it was

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like ten or fifteen years ago. And these guys are

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>like bad guys, as he always frames it, their hoodlums.

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>They're provoking him, they're causing problems. You know, they're not

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>victim victims, right, But it's something illicit that he can

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 2>admit to. That Again, it throws people off the scent. Right, Well,

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>if he's open about this, there's probably nothing else going on, right.

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>And it also he can be fairly sure that, like,

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>if anyone wants to look into the dark side of

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savile, they can find some stuff, and it's stuff

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that they can talk about it and be like, well,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jimmy did this or that, but it's not

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 2>that bad, right, it's something that's forgivable bad. And that's

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me. In nineteen Yeah, you know what else?

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, we already did that.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I guess we're just gonna we're going on a

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 2>raw dog this next part. This is bad. This is

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>real bad. In nineteen eighty eight, the entire management board

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of broad More Psychiatric Hospital, where Jimmy volunteered quite regularly,

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.479
<v Speaker 2>was suspended by the Department of Health under appointee Ken Clark.

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>The board basically shits. The psychiatric hospital was not well run,

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>things were costing too much. It was like in debt.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 2>The facilities there were bad, there were problems with it.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>So the government is like, well, we need to shut down,

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>get rid of the people running it now. And the

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 2>board that had been running broad Moore is replaced by

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 2>a task force appointed by the Thatcher administration. And the

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>task force is run by Jimmy Savill. No, now he's

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>running a psychiatric hospital. Jimmy had started volunteering at Broadmore

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen sixties, and in nineteen eighty eight he

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>got total control over what happened at the facility, or

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>near total control. He's effectively running it, per the Tribune quote.

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>This This decision was rubber stamped by Junior Health Minister

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Edwina Currie, who wrote at A Boy and Her Diaries

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>on hearing Savile's plans for reform at the hospital, which

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 2>included union busting, as Savill alleged that inflated overtime payments

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>were rife among the unionized workforce. Curry later conceded that

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>this was likely savele blackmailing staff who could blow the

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>whistle on his abuse. So Savill's like, now that I'm

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>running things, you know the real problem at this hospital,

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>these damn unions. It's made a way too expensive. All

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>these guys I got good, I'm gonna we need to

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>fire a bunch of these people because they're they're faking.

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 4>They're Oh, I'm just so shocked that savel would be

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 4>a time union.

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we had to get rid of these guys.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 2>They're they're stealing basically from the country by faking this

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>overtime stuff. No, no, they weren't reporting me for raping

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>patients that had nothing to do with it. It was

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>overtime fraud. Right, So the Thatcher regime gets what it wants.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>They get to cut costs, they get to busty union

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking Maggie loves that shit and she's getting Saveles doing

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>He's literally like, I cannot overstate this is not a

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>side thing. She didn't happen to be friends with. This guy,

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savell is a significant, meaningful part of Thatcherism, Like

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>he is a major and important part of her entire regime,

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like that that has to be driven home to peace.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>How key he is in this whole period of time

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>in British political history, and the fact that he's now

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>running this hospital, he's able to fire basically anyone he

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>wants to who who's going to speak up at anything?

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>That just makes him even more fucking bulletproof to the

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>people he's raping and molesting and abusing in other ways. Now,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there were employees at all these facilities

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>who saw Savile's behavior and tried to intervene. This doesn't

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>just happen at Broadmore. There are employees everywhere that he

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>volunteers who try to say something, but it never goes anywhere.

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>And it is important though that it is important emphasize

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>there are people trying to intervene, right, and that fact

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>often gets lost, in part because it doesn't work, but

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>in part because a lot of powerful people have a

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>vested interest in the fact that folks tried to stop

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy being lost. Because by far the best way that

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>you can interpret this, that the public can interpret this,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that the British public specifically can interpret Jimmy Saville and

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>what happened in his crimes is oh, this was just

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>a monster who manipulated and a hidden planesight and he

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>tricked everybody. We all fell for no one knew anything

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>was going on.

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Nobody had any idea.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people knew Jimmy was allowed to rape and abuse people.

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Thatcher and everyone in her, everyone that we talked about,

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>who was a part of fucking Curry. I will say

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>it right now, I'm not prone to those laws. I

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>think Curry and Thatcher and everyone else involved in the

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>decision to put him in that position in broad more,

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>if they didn't know he was outright raping kids, they

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>knew he was raping people. They knew he was having

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>they would probably affirm him as having sex with people

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>who were under age.

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 3>The fuck he was.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 2>They knew what he was doing, and they knew they

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>were putting in a position where he could do it more,

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and they did it because it benefited them politically. They

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't know maybe all the specifics, but they knew enough.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 4>They knew it. They knew he wasn't a they knew

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 4>he was at minimum a sketchy creep.

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they knew what they were doing. Yeah, Thatcher

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>knew what she was doing. Kenny writes, quote read the

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>NHS investigations into Savile, and there are numerous examples of

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>everyday people with little power standing up to Savile or

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>at least doing what they could reasonably do within their

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>small domain to protect those who are in their care.

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>There are no such stories within the Thatcher government, only

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>an elite who took him at face value time and

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>time again. I cannot exaggerate the degree of deference and

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>power that Jimmy was given over an entire psychiatric hospital.

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna fucking blow your mind. Broadmoor gives him

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a suite of rooms permanently that he is allowed to

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>occupy and live him and is a private apartment in

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the women's wing of the hospital. They give him an

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>apartment in the women's wing, and he has their allegations

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>he would just have victims delivered to his rooms sometimes,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>or if he's the one taking them in for intake,

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 2>he'll just bring him on up to his room and

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>do whatever fucking sex crime he's gonna do, and then

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll put him wherever they need to go. Right He's

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>he's getting victims delivered to his apartment at the psychiatric

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>hospital in the women's wing.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 5>This is a psychotic Also, it's not charity anymore. It's

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 5>like he's nobody was wondering why he wants to run

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 5>this fucking place and.

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Like be there.

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>He's just a good man. He really likes helping out

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>these people. You know, he cares about them. No one

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>else cares about these people.

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Just jimmy, what was the word we decided at the end,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 4>loathsome loathsome Now.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>The website Investigative Psychiatry and analyzing several of these reports,

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>notes that clinic staff found the fact that he was

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 2>given an apartment in the facility bizarre and inappropriate, but

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>it was quote sanctioned from the top down as part

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of his task force role.

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 4>This physical top whose signature, whose signature is on that?

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 2>On that, I mean Curry's is right?

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure that's documented. There's

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a the article has like a footnote there. I could,

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I could get more names for you. But this physical

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>autonomy was the ultimate evidence of his symbolic power. He

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>had colonized the hospital space to a point where he

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>was no longer a guest, but a semi permanent resident

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>with more freedom of movement than many senior clinicians.

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 4>Now, what figures out here colonizing a fucking women's psychiatric ward.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fucking nuts that they gave him a fucking

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>apartment is crazy. I mean, first of all, hospitals have

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 2>what yeah, yeah, I'm fucking insane cerate a big for

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>a cut?

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck?

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy stuff. Yeah, hi mom. Now, Stoke Manibal

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 2>was not his first major volunteer effort, but it makes

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 2>him a fixture within the NHS, and he receives offers

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to volunteer at and raise money for dozens of hospitals,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>including Leeds General, great Ormond Street, and Wheatfield's Hospice. Modern

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 2>investigations have turned up evidence that Savill's sexually abused patients

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>had each of these facilities. For the UK Standard, his

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>youngest victim was an eight year old boy who suffered

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>a sexual assault at his hands, and again we know

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 2>there were younger victims that was you know, at one

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>point in time as he aged, Savil seems to have

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>preferred patients who were dying in hospice. The Standard recounts

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>one story of an eleven to twelve year old dying

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>boy at Great Ormond who admitted shortly before passing that

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>he had been touched inappropriately by Savile. That's part of

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>why we'll never know how many victims is he's specifically

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>going after people who are dying and thus won't be

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>around to complain or report as he gets like older.

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a big thing he does.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 5>Also the psych hospital. It's like, oh, so you can

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 5>immediately call into question the credibility of these victims.

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, he's crazy, you know.

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, that might be one of the worst things

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 4>you've ever read on this.

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty Like I said, this

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>is like the one of the only research at bits

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Binges I've been on a while that actually had me crying.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I understand.

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In nineteen ninety, the last year of Thatcher's time

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>in office, she finally succeeded in getting Jimmy savill knighted

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>during that year's Queen's Birthday honors. He was knighted for

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 2>his charitable services, and from that moment on, Jimmy savill

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Obe was now Sir Jimmy Savile. He received personal congratulations

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>from all of his friends in the royal family. Prince Andrew,

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Prince Charles, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York,

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>sends him a handmade card. Savile, for his part, was

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>over the moon about his knighthood and he made no

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>great efforts to disguise why. He told journalist Lynn Barber

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 2>in an interview conducted just after the ceremony, I had

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>a lively couple of years with the tabloid sniffing about,

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>asking around the corner shops everything, thinking there must be

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 2>something the authorities knew that they didn't, where As an

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>actual fact, I've got to be the most boring geezer

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 2>in the world because I ain't got no past, and

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>so if nothing else, it was a ginormous relief when

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I got the knighthood because it got me off the hook. Boy,

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 2>getting this knighthood is great. It's got to make it

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot easier for me to commit sex crimes without

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>getting noticed. Thanks the Queen, off I go.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 3>He just says that, wow, the clothes are crazy.

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, the same year, nineteen ninety, he gets knighted

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>by the Queen. Because that's not enough, Savill also receives

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a papal knighthood. The Pope knights him too. I mean

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>apropos the Catholic Church and the British royal family just

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 2>no notes. Guys nailing it.

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 4>Like Pulpe John Paul the second.

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, JP two makes him a knight. Now it's

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 2>an interesting side note when all of this comes out

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes incredibly obvious to the entire world that

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savile's been a massive pedophile the entire time and

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>abused god knows how many people. There's like people who

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 2>are like, hey, should we like strip him of his

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 2>knighthood and his papal knighthood. Maybe we like that probably

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>should happen, right, And that can't happen. Actually, it's impossible

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to do that because there's no permanent register of nights.

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Once you die, you just drop off the list, you know,

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 2>no longer a night. That's just like how being a

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>night works. So by the when he died, he stopped

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>being a knight. There's no way to like retroactively go

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>back and strip the honors. I actually prefer it that way.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I've seen people complain about this, I have no

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>issue with this. I don't think either the Catholic Church

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 2>or the British Royal family should ever get to forget

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>that they united this guy. I think he should be

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Sir Jimmy Saffle forever.

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I was like, why, but.

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I see your point.

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 4>But also, term limits baby, termlaments.

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Not the first pedophile night, not the last. Honestly, probably

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>more pedophile nights than non pedophile nights if you're going

0:38:59.600 --> 0:38:59.959
<v Speaker 2>his story.

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff. Yeah, and there's some Again. I don't think

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 2>either these institutions should ever get to or the BBC

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>should ever get to be free of the shame of

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>having been affiliated with Jimmy Savell. But there are some

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>very funny interviews with this representative of the Catholic Church.

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>The Vatican spokesman at the time was Federico Lombardi at

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the time that Saville died, and like I found one

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>interview with him in the AP that includes this line.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 2>He also said Savell would never have received the honor

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>had allegations about his behavior been known, and Lombardi stressed

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the Vatican's firm condemnation of any type of sexual abuse

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>against children. Really, oh really, is that so?

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 4>Feeri uah?

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Vaticans never supported sexual abuse of children.

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just reading about how two hundred thousand such

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>or so like French kids are known to have been

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 2>raped by Catholic priests. But good, good to know you

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>guys take a firm line on that stuff, Like I know,

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>because the Catholic Church and this current Pope have had

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 2>some pretty good takes on certain things happening politically recently,

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 2>and you know that's good. I'm glad the Catholic Church

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 2>is especially pushing back on our administrations like nightmarish genocidal

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>immigration policies, and hold every member of the church as

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 2>responsible for these the things that we're done. But we

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:26.399
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't forget what the Catholic Church is historically and what

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 2>they did and what they enabled, and this is part

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 2>of that. It's a little part of that, given the

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>grand scheme of those crimes, but it's part of it. Right,

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. It's probably time for an ad break.

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's take five and then just just

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:45.760
<v Speaker 4>traumadup it on, buddy.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Okay, we're back and we're just going to power

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 7>through the rest of the horrible things.

0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety, in the year years right before he

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.839
<v Speaker 2>was knighted, Saville is known and people who are part

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 2>were around the royal family noted that he acted as

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 2>a fixer for Charles and Diana's marriage. When they start

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 2>having like marriage issues, He's brought in to be like

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>their their relationship coach. Basically the guy.

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Who's never been in a relationship.

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Never love that, and he's the great idea?

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Was that?

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I think it was. It was Prince Charles,

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>although I think Princess Died was fine with it. Like

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>they both seem to have liked him, like genuinely liked

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 2>and admired.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 4>That's like the only thing they've ever agreed on is that.

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 4>Jimmy So yeah, a good guy guy. Now it seems

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 4>to me it's really fucking weird.

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Perfect Guardian quote. Saville is understood who visited Prince Charles's

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 2>official London residence several times in the late nineteen eighties

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was acting as a kind of marriage counselor

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 2>between Charles and Princess Diana. And there's a lot of

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of like the British equivalent of

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like a public records request, both around Thatcher and around

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the royal family and Savell, and we've gotten some stuff.

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Some of what I've talked about came out through those

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>records requests. A lot of his conversations and his correspondence

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>with Thatcher is still basically like uh, censored or whatever.

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like I guess sensitive or whatever. So we don't know,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Like there's actually a surprising amount that's been redacted of

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>his relationship with Thatcher, which I'm very curious to know.

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>And there's a similar things going on with the Royal family.

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>But what we do know, based on letters and documents

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that have come out since his death, is that Stavel

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>is basically the volunteer pr specialist for the royal family.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the first people they call when there's

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a scandal. Well, part of the thing is the fucking

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Prince Charles really trusts him because, as I noted, Jimmy's

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>like a former coal miner from the north, so he's

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 2>like a down home country boy basically, but in you.

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 4>Know, and was buddies with Lord man Batten, who was

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 4>like a father freaking Charles. Yeah, there's all that.

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he was friends with Mount Batton. And also

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he's a he Charles sees him as like a representative

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>of the common man, right, He's not gonna actually talk

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>to real poor people, but like he can talk to Jimmy,

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and Jimmy can tell him how commoners think, right and

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>how commoners will react to things. So you trust Jimmy

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>more than you trust your fancy went to eaton or whatever.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, pr representatives who talk the right way. No, no, no,

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy knows how the common man works, right, he can

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 2>tell us what we should say. Based on interviews with

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Dicky Arbider, who was media relations liaison for the Prince

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>and Princess of Wales at the time, Savill cut an

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>upsetting figure even within the rarefied world of the royal household. Quote.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>He would walk into the office and do the rounds

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>of the young ladies, taking their hands and rubbing his

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 2>lips all the way up their arms if they were

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 2>wearing short sleeves, if it was summer and their arms

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 2>were bare, his bottom lip would curl out and he

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>would run it up their arms. This was at Saint

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>James Place. The women were in their mid to late

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>twenties doing typing and secretarial work. No no, yeah, gross,

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>deeply bad. You'll hear about this a lot. This is

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 2>an important tactic of his. What he's doing the whole

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>when he's casually meeting women in the world. These are

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 2>adult women, but he'll do these like really exaggerated like

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 2>gomez atoms, you know style, like kissing all the way

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 2>up their arm gestures. Right, He does this a lot.

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>You'll also find people talking about this in like these

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>analyzes that different institutions like broad More and Stoke Mandible

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>published right about how Savil would do stuff like this

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>when he would meet women, and often like meet women

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>generally that he's not actually abusing or anything. And this

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 2>is an important point, as summarized on the website Investigative

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Psychiatries right up quote. Savil also used bizarre and flamboyantly

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>inappropriate public behavior towards women, such as extravagant greetings and

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>kissing up their arms to their lips as a calculated

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 2>method to scope their reactions engage the level of resistance

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>he might face. If he does this and you don't

0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 2>turn away or pull away at all, and you let

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>him get all the way to your lips, he knows okay,

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 2>if I want to. This is someone who's more vulnerable, right.

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the interpretation that people have made of this behavior,

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's probably accurate. It makes sense. There's

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of reports of this.

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:15.600
<v Speaker 3>I would have been out the door.

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah. He should have gotten hit in the

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>face every time. But he's doing it again. This is

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the weird behavior that's oh, Jimmy's like that with everybody.

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 2>He's just really like no, no, no, this isn't being

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>sexually inappropriate. He's like that with everyone. That's just how

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>he is.

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 5>You know. Also, if your being sexually inappropriate with the

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 5>ladies that are of age, it's also like another strange

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 5>form of cover.

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, exactly exactly, and it works very well for

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>that purpose. In nineteen ninety one, Savill sat down for

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 2>a BBC radio interview on the show In the Psychiatrist's

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Share with doctor Anthony Clare. Savill made some statements that

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>would subsequently become quite famous. For one, he claimed to

0:45:56.360 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>have no emotions. Quote that would make me bad news

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 2>for a psychiatrist or a psychologist, because there's just nothing

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to find. What you see is what there is. Now

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that's not true one its face. Many of Jimmy's victims

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 2>have written about the rages that he would drop into

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 2>if he were denied or hindered in any way. This

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>is a guy who got violent and could get violent,

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and who got very angry when he was angry. But

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he says this, that he claims, so

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't have emotions, I don't really feel things is

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>part of the mythic wall that he's building around himself

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>to protect himself. If Jimmy doesn't like kids, there's no

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.879
<v Speaker 2>reason to explore his relationship with kids. If he has

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 2>no emotions, there's nothing to figure out about his inner life.

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Stop looking, right, That's why he's doing this. And the

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 2>only thing that's really remarkable to me is how well

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 2>this all works. Part of why this is something I'm

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 2>not super well qualified to say to talk about, but

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>it's the thing I've seen written about is that British

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>culture had and still has for generations celebrated a specific

0:46:55.880 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of what we're often called quote uniquely British eccentrics. Right,

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a long, proud tradition of like weirdos in public

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>life in British history that is, up to a point, celebrated.

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 2>If you get famous enough for something, then the fact

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>that you're like a weirdo stops being a thing that

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>you'd get like mocked for and like something people celebrate. Right,

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:20.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of this aspect of Britain's not the

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 2>only place where this happens, but it's known as like

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 2>a very British thing, and in fact, in thatchers like

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 2>her announcement of his knighthood. She talks about him as

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like he's one of the great British eccentrics. You know.

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes our wonderful little island, it produces these splendid weirdos,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, and we like to celebrate our weirdos in England.

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the idea right now. It's been noted

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 2>by several of these analyzes that I've read and seen

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 2>summarize that like this whole persona, this thing is calculated

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 2>like he is. He understands that there's this attitude that like, well,

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 2>often a lot of like great public figures in British

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 2>history are these eccentrics. So if I'm just an eccentric,

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>then I'm not dangerous, right, and it discourages people from

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>looking into me. Right. It's a boundary testing mechanism. That's

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>how some of these reports will frame it.

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:15.399
<v Speaker 2>He's seeing how much quote unquote calculated oddity is one

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>of the terms used an institution will tolerate, and that

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>helps him see, can I violate more rules?

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 6>Right?

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay? I did this thing which is like harmless, but

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to do it. Did they let me Okay,

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 2>that means I can do a little more. That means

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.879
<v Speaker 2>I can do a little more, right, That's how he's working.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 2>This is very methodical, right, and that's what we call

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 2>these people predators, you know. And there's a difference. There's

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 2>an important difference. And I don't want this to come

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 2>across as minimizing the other thing. But when you're talking

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>about like some like famous musician who statutory commits statutory

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>rape on like a thirteen or fourteen year old girl

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.919
<v Speaker 2>because like she's around, and he doesn't give a fuck,

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>and he's being provided with with with girls. You know,

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.320
<v Speaker 2>he shows up to do it and he's provided girls

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't care how old they are. And that

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 2>happens at a point in this musician's life. That's like

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a bad thing. There should be accountability for that. It's

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.839
<v Speaker 2>not okay. It's a real problem if that doesn't ever

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>occur outside, if that person is not continuing to go

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 2>after people of that age. There's a difference between that

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and predatory behavior, where you're actively going out of your

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 2>way to find victims and to groom victims and to

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 2>groom institutions to provide you with victims. These are both

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 2>really bad things. But they're different levels, right. I think

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 2>it's important to see the difference between someone who does

0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 2>not care morally about what they're doing as long as

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 2>they get to like satisfy their urges, and someone whose

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 2>brain works in such a way that they are constantly

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 2>looking for holes in organizations and institutions and people that

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 2>they can use in order to gain leverage so that

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 2>they can commit harm, you.

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 5>Know, the point where they're doing charity so that they

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 5>can hurt people.

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a different breed.

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a real different breed. It's an escalation. So this

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>scoping behavior, which is mentioned in the broad More report

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about his interactions with women, is a really important

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 2>thing to understand because like these are like the fact

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>that he's doing reconnaissance is noteworthy, and there's a there's

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 2>a good line and that investigative psychiatry right up that

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that that reads quote he was constantly probing for the

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>point where Jimmy being Jimmy ended and Sir Jimmy Savill began.

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that's it. That's an important thing to note.

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:40.399
<v Speaker 2>The term grooming is usually deployed to refer to something

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 2>abusers do to their victims, but What I like about

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.919
<v Speaker 2>that article is that it talks about institutional grooming, right,

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the grooming of these different hospitals and organizations that allow

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>him to get access to his victims. Quote, he identified

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the specific needs of an institution, such as fundraising in

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the NHS or industrial mediation in broad more, and fulfilled

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>them to create a debt of gratitude. This symbolic power

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>then allowed him to operate in a clinical vacuum. So

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>this is a complex, multipart process. He's putting a lot

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 2>of thought into this and a lot of effort. Once

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>he's got an in.

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:19.439
<v Speaker 5>Sorry no, it mirrors the Epstein thing in a way too,

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 5>like whether the charity and also the fact that I

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.359
<v Speaker 5>don't know if he was, but if people think he's

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 5>a spy or whatever, that's the point. That's the level

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 5>of institutional grooming he's doing. Yeah, that's super interesting.

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. Yeah. So once he's got an in at

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.919
<v Speaker 2>a facility that he wants to be in at, either

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.359
<v Speaker 2>because his fundraising saves the hospital or whatever, or because

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 2>he's been appointed to a task force or you know, however,

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>he gets in, Sevil will start dressing. When he's working

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 2>at these hospitals, like a member of the clinical staff.

0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 2>He wears a white coat, right. He helps in aspects

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of patient care. He's helping during intake, and he's not

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>just grooming his victims. He's grooming the staff to accept

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>him as legitimate. And the fact that and off. Most

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of the time he's not abusing the patient. Most of

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 2>the time when he's acting as an orderly he is

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>just doing orderly work, and that grooms the patients to

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 2>no one's on guard when Jimmy walks in their room.

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 2>He's supposed to be there. You know, there is some evidence,

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 2>not direct, but like you can tell it by inference

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that during the nineties, Jimmy Savill continued to participate in

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>parties and events where teenagers were provided as basically sex

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 2>toys for the rich and powerful. Petronella Wyatt, a British

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.240
<v Speaker 2>journalist who once had an affair with Boris Johnson, wrote

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>an article for The Spectator, which is a conservative magazine,

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 2>in which she relates some of the things she experienced

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.799
<v Speaker 2>while socializing with this crowd in the years after Sir

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's knighthood. Back in the nineteen nineties, I used to

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 2>see teenage girls with eyes the color of Vervin at

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 2>some of the extravagant parties I was invited to. Looking back,

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I have a fair idea of why they were there,

0:52:58.200 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but it never occurred to me to ask their age

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 2>or protest their presence. Was I complicit and like, yeah, yeah,

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you were? Like definitely, That's what that means. She doesn't

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:14.160
<v Speaker 2>allege that Jimmy was providing the girls at these parties.

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>In fact, she doesn't interrogate how that's happening at all.

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 2>But we know he was aware or he was at

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>many of these events right, And we know he was

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>in a position to his access to psychiatric hospitals and

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>his access to like the Duncroft Approved School for Girls,

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 2>could have allowed him to provide girls to such events.

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 2>We know he took girls out of facilities like Duncroft

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and took them too, like the BBC to see film

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and know so we know he's taking girls that he

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 2>is raping and taking them to secondary and tertiary locations

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>from hospitals and from like the approved school. Is it

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>so crazy to think that maybe he used his access

0:53:54.920 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to provide girls to parties for his rich and famous friends.

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't prove that. Is that such a crazy thing

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 2>to think might have happened.

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't want a crazy leave.

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty likely that something like that went on.

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I might even say that at this point the burden

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.720
<v Speaker 2>of proof would be on the attendees of those parties

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to prove that nothing like that happened, because of what

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:22.320
<v Speaker 2>we know happened now. I've noted a few times in

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>these episodes that several friends of Jimmy's, including Gary Glitter,

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 2>were brought down by child molestation scandals, but Jimmy remained

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 2>untainted throughout the rest of his life and career. Some

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.240
<v Speaker 2>of this was surely due to his royal connections. Saville

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.280
<v Speaker 2>was invited to Prince Charles's fortieth birthday, and when Jimmy

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>turned eighty in two thousand and six, he received a

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.320
<v Speaker 2>box of Cuban cigars and a set of cuff links

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 2>from the Now well, now he's king. He wasn't king

0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and six, but from Prince Charles, with

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 2>a note saying, nobody will ever know what you have

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>done for this country. This is to go some way

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 2>in thanking you for that.

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:55.919
<v Speaker 5>Hmm.

0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.440
<v Speaker 4>He's stupid or creepy or both.

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>He's probably just talking about the marriage counseling and the

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 2>pr stuff probably not worth looking into. Probably fine, probably

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 2>fine ll. Prince Charles probably didn't know anything about, you know,

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>all the rape and stuff. King Charles definitely innocent, for sure,

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>for sure. It was just just Prince Andrew was the

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 2>only bad one, and Lord Mountbatten only bad ones. You know,

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 2>we're good anyway, cool stuff. Princess Die unfortunately remained friends

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>with Savill for the remainder of her life. So far

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 2>as I can tell, she traveled with him to Stoke,

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Mandibal and other hospitals for charitable events, and she seems

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to have held him in high regard. I don't know.

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much of that was set dressing.

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know her in her life. I don't know

0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 2>what she would have been aware of. Probably I assume

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Savill would have tried to hide the details of what

0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 2>he was doing. But again, enough stuff was obvious. We've

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 2>quoted so much from him being interviewed. She can't have

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 2>not known something. She has to have been a little

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 2>aware at the very least that something wasn't right with

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 2>this guy. I don't know. I can't say for sure.

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 2>In the late nineties and early two thousands, Jimmy was

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 2>no longer a massive TV star in his own right,

0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>but he was now famous for being famous, and he

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.839
<v Speaker 2>was regularly trotted out in documentaries and TV shows. He's

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a big guest star in this period of time, and

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like BBC shows. In nineteen ninety five,

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the journalist and TV host Andrew Neil has him on

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 2>for an episode of Is This Your Life? Which I

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>think is like a supposed to celebrate different kind of

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>famous people in British life, right. So Neil has Saffalon

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>for a friendly interview which includes some cheeky questions about

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:43.520
<v Speaker 2>his romantic history and his past is a wrestler. And

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 2>even then, when he's being interviewed about his life on

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.319
<v Speaker 2>TV in nineteen ninety five, Jimmy can't avoid throwing in

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.840
<v Speaker 2>some side remarks hinting at his crimes. So here's the

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 2>segment from that episode where he's talking Andrew's asking him

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 2>about his time as a wrestler. He used to be

0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:58.240
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler.

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 7>I still hi, I'm fit in every girls school in

0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 7>this country.

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Great. Got a lot of laughs, ha ha, a crowd

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of wild I do like the look on because after

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 2>he says that one of the people who's on the

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.840
<v Speaker 2>show with Neil is like a black woman who's like,

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming some sort of journalist to present her and

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 2>she has this like, oh you just said that. Huh, yeah,

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything else about that, lady, but her

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 2>eyes say a lot. Sure, but you can, I mean

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you can just hear in the joke how casually he

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>is about it, right, Like, just the audio of it

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 2>says enough that the how casually he jokes about wrestling

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:48.200
<v Speaker 2>children a girls school, those are kids, and the uproarious

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 2>laughter from the audience very funny. Hah, Jimmy, Yes, it's

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>so funny how you joke about molesting little girls? We

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Here.

0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 2>In the year two thousand, one of Britain's best documentarians,

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Louis Thereau, published a documentary on Jimmy and the flat

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>that Jimmy had originally purchased for his mother. One of

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the shortcomings of these episodes is we're not nearly going

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 2>into enough to tale about how weird Jimmy is about

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:16.160
<v Speaker 2>his mom, but it's clearly the only person he ever

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.959
<v Speaker 2>loves and when she passes on, and she had In

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, when Louis throw shows up at his flat.

0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 2>To this documentary, Jimmy's mom had died twenty seven years earlier,

0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and he still kept her room exactly the way it

0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:32.320
<v Speaker 2>had been the day she died. Her clothing was like

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 2>shrink wrapped in plastic, but still folded in her wardrobe.

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>As I noted earlier, Threau does probe some of the

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>rumors around Jimmy in a, you know, a legally safe way,

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.320
<v Speaker 2>like starting when he asks him like, why did you

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 2>claim to hate children? And Jimmy's like, well, it stops

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the tabloids from looking into stuff? And after that line,

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Louis asks, is that basically so the tabloids don't pursue

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.200
<v Speaker 2>this hole? Is he or isn't he a pedophile line?

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And Saville replied, oh, I how do they know whether

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>or not I am? How does anybody know whether I am?

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows whether I am or not. I know I'm not.

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 2>That's my policy and it's worked to dream.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool riddle bro Jesus Christ.

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fun fun stuff now. In a write up on

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 2>all this, the UK Mirror notes quote Louis had attempted

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 2>to report Savill for abuse after the production, but the

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 2>report was not followed up on. He claimed that he

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 2>attempted to report him in two thousand and one after

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 2>a female came forward and claimed that she to have

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.360
<v Speaker 2>been one of Savill's girlfriends when she was fifteen. So

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Louie doesn't do nothing, but I gotta say like, and

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I've been a fan of the guy for most of

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 2>my adult life. He had a big influence on how

0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I interview people, how I approach stuff as a journalist.

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I really do have a lot of admiration for him,

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and particularly he's very good at not giving at getting people,

0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 2>not just getting people to talk, giving them enough rope

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to hang themselves, but pressing them on things that are

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.240
<v Speaker 2>hard to press on, that are awkward and like uncomfortable.

0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Like that's a thing Louis has made a career on doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't do nearly enough considering what he must

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<v Speaker 2>have known. And one of the things that frustrates me

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<v Speaker 2>is after Savile dies, even knowing all this, even having

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly reported him in two thousand and two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>Louis makes a big show of publicly mourning Savile, of

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<v Speaker 2>calling him basically a great Britain right after he dies.

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<v Speaker 2>Up until the allegations spill out, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just my guess would be once he dies. There's first off,

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<v Speaker 2>there was massive immediate public mourning. It doesn't come out

1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 2>immediately like he has a huge He has basically a

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 2>state funeral. The Royal Marines are there escorting his fucking

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 2>gold casket, so there's a big The whole country is

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<v Speaker 2>mourning him. I think number one, Louis probably didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be the only person being like I think this

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>guy was a pedophile, he's a BBC personality. There's probably

1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 2>professional pressure. He just doesn't And I shouldn't be focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on Louis more than all of these other editors that

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about, because he did more than nothing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just wasn't enough. And that's all I'll say. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this is like damning of him into perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 2>From my understanding, Louis regrets not doing more. He's talked

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<v Speaker 2>pretty openly about like the fact that he wishes he

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<v Speaker 2>had done a better job, and that's life. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go on from there, but I think it's worth noting.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and seven, one of the Duncroft girls

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<v Speaker 2>Saville abused went to police in Surrey and reported him.

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<v Speaker 2>The police ultimately concluded there was not enough evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>pursue a case. Later investigation has made it clear that

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence was mishandled and the department was pushed to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid following. Up to the end of his life, Saville

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<v Speaker 2>maintained friendships with influential members of the Yorkshire Police, hosting

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<v Speaker 2>what he called his Friday morning club, in which he'd

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<v Speaker 2>have coffee with various senior inspectors and the like. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like him having coffee with a bunch of cops every Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>These is really at the end of his life once

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<v Speaker 2>all of his pedophile friends go to prison. His primary

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<v Speaker 2>social group is cops who I'm guessing also have been

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<v Speaker 2>pedophiles or.

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<v Speaker 3>At least covering up for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly covering up for him, we know they did. That

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<v Speaker 2>was Jimmy maybe using his access to teenage girls to

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<v Speaker 2>provide police officers with access to teenage girls, a thing

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of insinuated doing or previously. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone should look into that. Maybe Jimmy's influence was such

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<v Speaker 2>that in two thousand and eight, the Yorkshire Police picked

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<v Speaker 2>him to voice several West Yorkshire Talking Street signs giving

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<v Speaker 2>advice to locals on of all things crime prevention. A

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<v Speaker 2>great two thousand and eight, cool two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the aughts stories kept spreading online about Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 2>A victim had come forward in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 2>and a complaint in two thousand and eight was reported

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<v Speaker 2>on by the Sun. So it's starting. This wall he's

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<v Speaker 2>got between him and the media is starting to falter

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<v Speaker 2>and flicker out even by that point in time. In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, Jimmy was interviewed by police in Surrey.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, up the complaint. That's why I have up

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<v Speaker 2>in Yorkshire where I live in Leeds. It's a collection

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<v Speaker 2>of senior police persons who come to see me socially.

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<v Speaker 2>I give them all my weirdo letters and they take

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<v Speaker 2>them back to the station and say, oh, have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen what Jimmy's got today? When the police asked whether

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<v Speaker 2>Savill gives them to the police, and so basically he

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<v Speaker 2>says this, and he's being interviewed and they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>do you give these letters to the police to investigate Savills?

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<v Speaker 2>Then response no, no, not investigate them, no, not to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything with them. But if anything happens to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's basically insinuating, Oh, I just give these to

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<v Speaker 2>the police in case some crazy fan murders me. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>what's actually happening here is he's whenever he has a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever he thinks he's going to get reported on, he

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<v Speaker 2>has his cop friends he goes to and they were

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good at making it go away. Jimmy Saville was

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<v Speaker 2>able to outrun justice his entire life, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>not outrun death. He dies on October twenty ninth, twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Once he was gone, his power to stop such investigations

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<v Speaker 2>came to a sputtering end. In less than a year.

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<v Speaker 2>He went from publicly mourned and buried in a gold

1:03:56.760 --> 1:04:00.680
<v Speaker 2>coffin escorted by the Marines, to having his headstone ground

1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:03.960
<v Speaker 2>down to rubble. They removed the big headstone he's got,

1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.760
<v Speaker 2>which says his epitaph was it was nice while it lasted.

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<v Speaker 2>Em like they have to in order to stop people

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<v Speaker 2>from like defacing the cemetery. Basically they have to grind

1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.000
<v Speaker 2>it into fucking crumbs and ushould just let people to

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<v Speaker 2>face it. But yeah, you know, numerous police and institutional

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<v Speaker 2>investigations are launched, and by December of twenty twelve, just

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<v Speaker 2>a year after his death, the number of alleged victims

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<v Speaker 2>had reached four hundred and fifty. That is, a year

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<v Speaker 2>after he dies. Where are we now in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>total victims known? Well, I'm going to quote from a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen article in The Guardian. The BBC will be

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<v Speaker 2>plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a

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<v Speaker 2>damning review expected next month that will reveal its staff

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<v Speaker 2>turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault

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<v Speaker 2>of up to one thousand girls and boys by Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Saville in the corporation's changing rooms and studios. Dame Janet Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>a former Court of Appeal judge who previously led the

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<v Speaker 2>inquiry into the by doctor Harold Shipman, will say into

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<v Speaker 2>her in her report that the true number of victims

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<v Speaker 2>of savile sexual proclivities may never be known, but that

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<v Speaker 2>his behavior had been recognized by BBC executives who took

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<v Speaker 2>no action. I want to really highlight something we know.

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<v Speaker 2>He rapes and molests at least a thousand boys and

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<v Speaker 2>girls in BBC changing rooms and studios. I've see this,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Porter, is a thousand victims. That's just a thousand victims.

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<v Speaker 2>In BBC property.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've been talking about the home.

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<v Speaker 3>Thousand in the hospital thousands, yes, thousands.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, the original victims are old as ship by now

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<v Speaker 5>and most of them are dead, probably died, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's specifically going after people who are probably statistically

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<v Speaker 2>going to die earlier because they're folks who run into

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<v Speaker 2>trouble with the law. They're folks who have mental health

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<v Speaker 2>or physical health problems.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the children that he uh assaulted when they

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<v Speaker 4>were in the hospital for terminal illnesses. That's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the worst things I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>What did he die from?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Being an old piece of shit? I forget he dies

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<v Speaker 2>in his home peacefully.

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<v Speaker 3>I was hoping it hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't have that for you. I do have

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<v Speaker 2>one little bit of satisfaction Shoten Freud or whatever from

1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:28.880
<v Speaker 2>earlier in his life. And I mentioned there's a wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>story that I didn't tell earlier that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>save for until now, right, because this is pretty bleak

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't have a good Jimmy got his comeuppance,

1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.520
<v Speaker 2>but there is one time where he got a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of punishment for being a giant monster. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about that now. So during his wrestling days,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this wrestler named Exotic Adrian Street who like he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's like he's one of he's a heel, right, He's

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<v Speaker 2>somebody fans loved to hate. I think he's like a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who dresses like very flamboyantly, you know, in order

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<v Speaker 2>to and that's part of like his uh, this fucking

1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:06.880
<v Speaker 2>evil like weirdo. Right, And so he's matched with savile

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<v Speaker 2>at some point and he would let it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>found all this in an article for Whales Online. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was Wales Online that talked to Adrian Street about

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<v Speaker 2>this quote. The promoters were trying to put Savel across

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<v Speaker 2>is a bit of a tough guy in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were trying to get other proper wrestlers to

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<v Speaker 2>throw their matches with him. It was all part of

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<v Speaker 2>some big, stupid gimmick, says Street. And when I found

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<v Speaker 2>out I was up against him next, I wasn't very happy,

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<v Speaker 2>not least because I'd just beaten world lightweight champion George

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<v Speaker 2>Kid at Noddingham Ice Rink the night before. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd put him in the hospital. So when it was

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<v Speaker 2>it suggested like, hey, why don't you know you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fight this DJ, Well, let's have it in a draw.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be good for everybody. And Street's like, fuck that

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<v Speaker 2>shit quote. His cronies were telling me, don't underestimate Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>he's trained with the Royal Marines. But I was having

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<v Speaker 2>none of it. I kicked his legs from underneath him,

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<v Speaker 2>so he hit the deck that I picked him up

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<v Speaker 2>by his hair, held him upside down, and dropped him

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<v Speaker 2>on his skull. Then when I looked down at my hands,

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that were covered in hair saveles. I'd torn

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<v Speaker 2>huge clumps out of his scalp. He absolutely crucified the bloke,

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<v Speaker 2>And when I spoke to my wife afterwards, she said

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<v Speaker 2>I'd looked like a hungry fox going after a chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Savile never returned to the wrestling ring after that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I never clapped eyes on him again, like that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the that's the story. And he did tell whales online.

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<v Speaker 2>Had I known then the full extent of what I

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<v Speaker 2>know about him now, I'd have given him an even

1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:28.200
<v Speaker 2>bigger beating, were that physically possible. So at least we've

1:08:28.200 --> 1:08:28.519
<v Speaker 2>got that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that was That was a little treat we needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely you guys deserved something.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for the sprinkle.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Adrian Street for beating the shit out of

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Saville.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone had still fuck up that this man lived to

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<v Speaker 4>what twenty eleven did you say, or twenty twelve, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty eleven. He dies late twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he that all of the survivors of this man,

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<v Speaker 4>which there were thousands, thousands of victims, did not get

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<v Speaker 4>to have any sort of justice while he was alive. No,

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<v Speaker 4>they did not get to confront him. Nobody believed them.

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<v Speaker 4>The libel laws fucked them over. The BBC is despicable.

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<v Speaker 4>Royal Family is the Royal family. Yeah, it's just unfathomably

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<v Speaker 4>gross that this man was one of the worst pedophiles

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<v Speaker 4>of maybe all time, and of the one of the

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<v Speaker 4>pedoist of the files for sure, and was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>united by both the Royal family and the Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Church, and was.

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<v Speaker 4>Given I don't know, there's certain thoughts that things that

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<v Speaker 4>are like you know, impregnating minors and the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>he was given an apartment at.

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<v Speaker 2>That girls fucking.

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<v Speaker 4>Psychiatric hospital. Sorry, so many people just like let this

1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:06.960
<v Speaker 4>happen and let him be this person.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's disgusting, and Robert kind of brilliant storytelling in

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<v Speaker 5>episode one when you give us the graphic horrible scene

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<v Speaker 5>because everything we've been through after I just keep remembering

1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:24.040
<v Speaker 5>because it's easy to kind of gloss over the scope

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<v Speaker 5>of it. And when you think about that times five thousand,

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<v Speaker 5>ten thousand, we have no idea, Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, at least at least we know who to really

1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:47.040
<v Speaker 6>blame for the Princess Diana, Prince Charles divorce, the guy advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savill's who's to blame?

1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:52.679
<v Speaker 4>Maybe if somebody else we couldn't those those those kids

1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:54.880
<v Speaker 4>could have stayed in love. It wasn't you know, for

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<v Speaker 4>all of Charles is hateful and Fidelas.

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<v Speaker 2>Is surely the only thing wrong, only thing wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anyways, Court, you want to plug your book for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I need a shower. But check out my book.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called Girl Gone Wild.

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<v Speaker 5>It is it's a coming of age story about trying

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<v Speaker 5>to make it in Hollywood, and it is a feminist

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<v Speaker 5>story that you definitely need after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great idea. Why don't you all enjoy that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I will cook up some horrible for you, but

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<v Speaker 2>honestly probably a lot less horrible than this next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye weoll bye.

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