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Speaker 1: Good morning. It is five forty five am. My alarm

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Speaker 1: other plans for me this morning. Just letting him out now,

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Speaker 1: and my plan is to lay back down with him

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Speaker 1: then we'll make some coffee and sign on to work.

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Speaker 1: Be at work by six thirty am.

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Speaker 2: This is finally a show about a sound bath practitioner

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Speaker 2: in a strip mall in Los Angeles. All the sounds

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Speaker 2: that you hear in this episode that aren't people talking

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Speaker 2: are created by her, recorded during one of her sessions.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kylie Augustine and I am a bath practitioner,

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Speaker 1: but I have a full time job. So I grew

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Speaker 1: up in Greenwich, Connecticut. My father is an electrician and

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Speaker 1: owned Augustine Electric until he recently retired. My mom was

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Speaker 1: much came from that region. My parents grew up as

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Speaker 1: and my dad's family built the houses that they're still

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Speaker 1: It's a silly place to live because of the income disparity.

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Speaker 1: like growing up there is just really it was a

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Speaker 1: once I got out of it and went to college.

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Speaker 1: I went to college in Boston. I went to Northeastern University,

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Speaker 1: and my husband, Joe, went to Emerson College, and Emerson

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Speaker 1: we've been together ever since, and that's twenty years. Northeastern

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Speaker 1: one of my internships, I went to New York City

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Speaker 1: to Departures magazine, which is for Platinum American Express card members,

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Speaker 1: good to see you again. Nice to see you again

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Speaker 1: as well, Nice to see you. Does anyone need to

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Speaker 1: you can take your shoes off, put all your stuff

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Speaker 1: and found a job at the ASPCA. Welcome. So have

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Speaker 1: And that's great, That's totally fine. That's happened before. The

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Speaker 1: ASPCA is the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty

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Speaker 1: to Animals. It's animals, but it's like the opposite of

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Speaker 1: Kennel Club is more about breeding and showing your dogs

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Speaker 1: So I started at the ASPCA as a senior coordinator

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Speaker 1: People most know the ASPCA or recognize the ASPCA from

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Speaker 1: just how much it sticks in your mind and how

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Speaker 1: much it's impacted her career. Poor Sarah hi at McLaughlin,

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Speaker 2: Every day innocent animals are abused, beaten and neglected and

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Speaker 1: But she did, she did. I mean, it was a

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Speaker 1: direct mail, canvassing, telemarketing, DRTV. It was a lot of

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so rewarding. Everybody relates to animals and

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