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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul, Mission control decand most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. This one is for our

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Speaker 3: fellow dog lovers in the audience today. Yes, the dog

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Speaker 3: man's best friend and one of humanity's most successful eugenics

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Speaker 3: experiments ever, whether you're talking the chihuahua or the cane corso,

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Speaker 3: the domesticated K nine just connects with the human being

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Speaker 3: the way so few other living things do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: dogs are super intelligent and this leads a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: especially dog owners, to say, Hey, my pooch friend, my

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Speaker 3: doggo sibling, kid, family member is capable of everything a

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Speaker 3: human mind can experience, unfortunately, up to and including very

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Speaker 3: dark things like grief, the sense of loss, jealousy or

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Speaker 3: technically envy, and suicide. In tonight's episode, we're exploring a

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Speaker 3: bizarre localized phenomenon, one you may not have heard of

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Speaker 3: in Scotland. It seems dogs overwhelmingly choose to end their

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Speaker 3: lives at one particular bridge. Now, had you guys heard

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Speaker 3: about this before we embarked on this episode just a

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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have to say, Ben, I love the

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Speaker 4: idea of this being a night episode. This is a

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Speaker 4: nighttime episode, now, Yeah, I mean, like just kind of

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Speaker 4: the basics that there is this particular bridge that's very

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Speaker 4: popular dog walking location that potentially causes dogs to do

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Speaker 4: some pretty dark stuff like you said, or you know,

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Speaker 4: or does it, but potentially.

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Speaker 5: I think for me, it's whether or not they choose

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Speaker 5: to end their lives or something. For one reason or another,

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Speaker 5: they're jumping off of a bridge, right, So like for me,

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Speaker 5: it's the phrasing of choosing to end their lives. I

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Speaker 5: think we're gonna explore that in this episode because it

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Speaker 5: certainly seems that way if we're if we're applying those

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Speaker 5: or or is it something that they're just that's causing

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Speaker 3: It's sudden overwhelming compulsion.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I have to say I would never

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Speaker 4: really fancied myself a dog person until you know. I've

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Speaker 4: and she had a wonderful dog named Jude, who she'd

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Speaker 4: easy for us to think that that goes both ways,

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Speaker 4: you know, and that it feels like it goes both ways.

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Speaker 4: And I think to a degree, there is awareness from

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Speaker 4: very easy to ascribe meaning to, you know, and much

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Speaker 4: of it likely does, but some of it might also

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Speaker 4: just be like I want to get fed, and this

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Speaker 3: And I didn't include a lot of the compelling studies.

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Speaker 3: If somebody wants to reach out on email conspiracydyheartradio dot com,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to send along studies that do speak to

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Speaker 3: are the facts there's a place called Dumbarton, Scotland. You

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Speaker 3: the overtuned bridge or Overton bridge. We'll just call it.

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Speaker 4: It's not to be confused with the Overton window. That's

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Speaker 5: It's very weird to take a look at this bridge

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Speaker 5: And it had a really cool designer, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's designed by this landscape architect named H. E. Milner,

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Speaker 4: But it's a narrow thing that protrudes skyward, I guess.

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Speaker 4: But you're right, the barrier to entry for towership was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still not going to like this bridge if

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Speaker 3: Because it goes up. It's not super duper long. It's

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Speaker 3: It's fifty feet straight down to something called the Overton Burn,

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Speaker 3: nice bridge. It's a regular bridge. People walk their dogs there,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and walking a dog off leash, now, knowing what

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Speaker 3: And that article cites an earlier example in two thousand

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Speaker 5: And just to give a little more of the number

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Speaker 4: Ask me about. Well, too many other moynihans. You know

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Speaker 4: So in twenty fourteen, Alice Trevoro is walking her Springer

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Speaker 4: She definitely saw something that made her jump. There is

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Speaker 3: not everybody agrees with this concept of a thin place

433
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: existing in the first place. I guess they would say

434
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: the places are generally of the same spiritual thickness. Uh,

435
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: But that's not the only explanation. One guy who disagrees

436
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: with the thin place concept is that author we mentioned earlier,

437
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: Paul Owen. In his work Paul and later interviews as well,

438
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: Paul doesn't agree that a thin place is responsible. Now,

439
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: he believes that there are thin places, you know, old

440
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: standing stones and things of that sort, but he doesn't

441
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: think the bridge is one of them. Instead, he believes

442
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 3: the bridge is haunted, and he believes that this apparition

443
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: is the prime mover of this tragic phenomenon.

444
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: That's right, the spirit of Lady Overton, who is said

445
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: to have you know, walked around this bridge after her

446
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: husband passed in nineteen oh eight, referred to colloquially as

447
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: the White Lady of Overton. There's an interview in the

448
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 4: Huffington Post where Ohen acknowledge the following the thing that

449
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: he observed. I was up there one summer's day and

450
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: I felt a very strong jab, like a phantom finger,

451
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 4: twice in my back. It was the sensation you get

452
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: when you fear someone might push you over the edge

453
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: of a train platform. It's a very strange place. One

454
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: of the things peculiar to the location is that it

455
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: can seem very peaceful and tranquil, but it can turn

456
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: at a moment's notice. So weird vibe and felt like

457
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: someone poked him in the back. Of course, that could

458
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 4: also be one hundred other things, right.

459
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: It could be a perceived sensation, It could be a

460
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: twinge of a back muscle. But in Owen's defense, I

461
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: think anybody with long term back problems will know that

462
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: you recognize, you know, You know your own body, so

463
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: if you have back spasms or twinges or back pain,

464
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: you know what it feels like, and you wouldn't mistake

465
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: it for a stranger giving you the poke hope Facebook style,

466
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: the hokey poke missed it too late.

467
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: Move on, all right, we talked about a little bit

468
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 5: at the beginning. Let's go back to just how close

469
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: this bridge is to the Overton House, the large ornate

470
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: again like Gothic style mansion, let's call it. That's sitting

471
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: right there. And it's literally if we're talking about how

472
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: short the Ramow Bridge is, that it's a crazy short

473
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: walk from the front door of that house or I

474
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 5: guess the main entrance of that house to where this

475
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: bridge is.

476
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 3: It's a really fancy driveway.

477
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 5: You're right, No, you described it perfectly, Ben. It's just

478
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 5: it's strange to me when I'm imagining the white lady

479
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 5: of Overton, you know, mourning the death of her husband.

480
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: This would be a place where she would walk and contemplate,

481
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: you know, death and everything, and where you would just

482
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: feel all of those things. And if you know, we've

483
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: talked about it before. We just talked about it in

484
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: Fortnite and Robo about residual energy. If that exists, right,

485
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 5: if someone's intense energy experience in one physical place could

486
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: possibly remain there in some way, and if it can,

487
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: then this would definitely be a physical location.

488
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: Where that kind of energy would linger.

489
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: Let's say, yeah, okay, So I may not be the

490
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: best person to unpack this with everyone, because I do

491
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: despite all the science I've read about this, I do

492
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: inherently have a predisposition that causes me to believe there

493
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: can be vibes left. I do believe that, and maybe

494
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: science will ultimately disprove that, or maybe it will prove it,

495
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: But right now the question remains out because science doesn't

496
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: know how to answer it. So here, with all all

497
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: that caveat, just to be fair to everybody about where

498
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm calling from, shout out Raymond Carver. There's something interesting

499
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: they don't see brought up a lot in these conversations.

500
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: So if there is a ghostly entity, and this ghostly

501
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: entity is somehow causing, through its existence or through its intention,

502
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: these deaths or these jumps, then why haven't any of

503
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: the other countless thousands of people who doubtlessly died in

504
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: that area over centuries had the same effect Why is

505
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: it just the one? I argue it's because that one

506
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: makes for a good story, does that? I mean, it's

507
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: just a question of numbers at that point too. And

508
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: then also the timeline. If she's mourning this death in

509
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight, what gives why didn't it go into

510
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: the Why was it only in the nineteen fifties? Is

511
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: that when she passed away herself? You know, I don't

512
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: know's it's.

513
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: Being widely reported on.

514
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: Is that when it's being wildly.

515
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 5: Maybe people who lived in the area did have dogs

516
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: or humans or whatever that jumped off the bridge before that,

517
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: It's just nobody heard about it. It was a sad

518
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: thing that happened in town, you know.

519
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: And then also another thing about the ghost angle is

520
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: if you are listening when this pot comes cast comes

521
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: out in twenty twenty three, if you're alive in the

522
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: modern day, you have walked over countless graves. A lot

523
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: of people died before you got here, you know what

524
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: I mean? The world is full of ghosts and that

525
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: in that sense, I don't know, it's just maybe it's

526
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: a little bit posthumously unfair dependent on one ghostly entity.

527
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: But there's another issue too with the reporting in this sense,

528
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: in a lot of reporting out of England. I'll say,

529
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: you can see these comments that I don't. I'll defer

530
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: to you guys, I don't think they're meant to be

531
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: dismissive or derogatory, because they're always very careful to pull

532
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: quotes from people living in Scotland when they say stuff

533
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: like this. But you will almost inevitably see some sideline

534
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: thing that says there are a lot of superstitions, paranormal

535
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: belief the people, these people in Scotland, they've a step

536
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: closer to the supernatural than the rest of us.

537
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

538
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: And I don't know, it feels like it's a way

539
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: of kind of othering a culture, if that makes sense.

540
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but look at pictures of the Overton House. If

541
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: you grow up playing around that place and you look

542
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: up at some of those second story windows, third story windows,

543
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 5: they've got the drapes like half closed. They're open, right,

544
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: but they're just creeping in on these old, old, old

545
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: window panes. It doesn't matter if there's somebody in there

546
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: just hanging out reading. It's gonna give you creeped out

547
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 5: vibes just from the Gothic architecture and the way those

548
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 5: curtains look telling.

549
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: You, yeah, you've probably been mistaken for a ghost at

550
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: some point in your life. Folks, depending on where you

551
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: hang out, right, we're all someone else's ghosts at some point.

552
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a really good point too, Matt. And

553
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: we've got a quote that came from The Independent from

554
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: Alistair Dutton, who is a local taxi driver at the

555
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: time of this interview, and Alistair says, people in Dunbarton

556
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: are very superstitious. We grew up playing in the Overton

557
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: grounds and we believe in ghosts here because we've all

558
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: seen or felt spirits up here. And you see this

559
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: in other cultures too, you know, you go, like we're

560
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: talking about this in la Urna. You know, if you

561
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: go into someone else's house culturally speaking, if you're in

562
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: their neck of the woods and they tell you, hey,

563
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: that lake is haunted. It doesn't matter if you believe

564
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: in ghosts or not. Just don't be that guy in

565
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: the horror movie. Just don't go to the lake. They're

566
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: trying to help you, or they're running some kind of

567
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: weird criminal operation and that's how they keep people out

568
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: of the lake. We've all seen Scooby Doo I don't

569
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: know how.

570
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 4: The Scooby Doo gang is never wise to the fact

571
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: that they're being had every time. And then of course

572
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: then you get the the what is it the thirteen

573
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: Ghosts of Scooby Doo where ghosts are now real? Yeah,

574
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: also I believe in in a pup named Scooby Doo.

575
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: There's some real spooks as well, but in the original series,

576
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: always a creepy old man or some grifter trying to

577
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 4: pull a scam.

578
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: Because they were all just high. That's how they guess,

579
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: particularly follow Velma. Velma's on the straight narrow, and she's functional.

580
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: She's functional, but.

581
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: She parties fair enough, fair enough.

582
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: So so now that we've cast dispersion upon the moral

583
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: standing Scooby dow uh, we we should probably answer one

584
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: of the questions that we imagine naturally came to you,

585
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: our fellow listeners here, What about the people who actually

586
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: live in the Overton House? You know, Like, to your point, Matt,

587
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: is it some like really creepy guy who who just

588
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: vaguely says means stuff about dogs? Is he like, is

589
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: there a gargamele in there with dogs as the Smurfs? Not?

590
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 3: Not really, it's a guy from Texas.

591
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he part of the church or something?

592
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: He runs? Uh? He runs a charity to help women

593
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: in unfortunate situations from the Overton House. Well, that's where

594
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: he lives. He and his family lived there. But his

595
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: job at he said time at the interviews, was running

596
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: this charity.

597
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 5: Wow, charity must be going really well.

598
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: Uh wow?

599
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: Where did he make his money?

600
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 5: M Okay, anyway, that's just a really expensive looking house, y'all.

601
00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: That's all it is.

602
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: It's a definitely it's definitely something that the only way

603
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: most podcasters could buy it is if they teamed up

604
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: and made like an Instagram HiPE house and had fifteen roommates.

605
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: No, if they verboed it for a day and a half.

606
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: That's how. That's how you get it.

607
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: What is verbo?

608
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: What is VERBOI?

609
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm renting the house for whatever? What what's the

610
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 5: really popular one? I'm an Airbnb like right, that's how

611
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: you get it?

612
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: Okay, okay for a day.

613
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

614
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: But his response, you know, is, hey, Scotland's weird man golf.

615
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, what kind of people do that?

616
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bob Hill says exactly that. He says, there's a

617
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: lot of the supernatural here, it's very common in people's lives.

618
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: And then he says Overton, the Overton area in particular

619
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: is quote more spiritual than other parts. That's Texan Pastor

620
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: Bob Hill. But he doesn't necessarily buy it as the explanation.

621
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: He has one that requires neither superstition nor belief in

622
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: the divine or the infernal or alternate dimensions. He's like

623
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: Dennis Reynolds and it's always sunny in Philadelphia. He's basically saying,

624
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: what about the smell? You haven't thought about the smell?

625
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: Which leads to our next possibility.

626
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: Gotta say, I like the idea that Texas Pastor Bob

627
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: Hill is Bobby Hill from King of the Hill, all

628
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: grown up and then having found God. And also, you know,

629
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: it kind of jives with his whole showmanship in the

630
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: character God'm sorry, guys, I was getting excited about the

631
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: new King of the Hill series coming out. No, you

632
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: haven't thought about the smell, have you you?

633
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: Which leads to our people, Yeah, which leads to our

634
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: next possibility. We're gonna pause here for word from our sponsors,

635
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: and then we'll go to the last big theory, which

636
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: has we'll find may not still explain what's going on

637
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: at overton Bridge. Okay, I'm getting the realm of science,

638
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: the scientific take. To answer this, we have to go

639
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: back to the question we posed at the beginning, which

640
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: is this, do dogs, like some human beings, commit suicide?

641
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: Would they purposely take their own lives? Do animals at

642
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: all do this thing that the human animal does? To

643
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: answer that, we're going to lean on a great house

644
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: stuff works article by our old pal Jessica Toothman. Hey Jessica,

645
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: and Hey Matt, do you remember Jessica.

646
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: I do.

647
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it might have been a little before your time, nol.

648
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Speaker 3: She might have moved on.

649
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Speaker 5: Ye.

650
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Speaker 4: I don't think we cross paths, but this article is

651
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: definitely on point.

652
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and shout out to Jessica's former co worker now

653
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: husband Andrew because they actually they are a workplace romance

654
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: gone right, and congratulations to you to so. In Jessica's

655
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: article do animals commit suicide? She points out that experts

656
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: largely don't believe that most animals are capable of what

657
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: of suicide in the human sense. We know that animals

658
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: can and do die on purpose, right, but it may

659
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: not have the same emotional motivating factors, Like, think about

660
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: the octopus. Unless it gets a very specific kind of

661
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: exciting brain surgery that's still on the fringe of science

662
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: and I think is being actively repressed, then reproducing will

663
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: trigger a hormonal kill switch in the octopus. Reproduction is

664
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Speaker 3: a death sentence. Or think of all the self sacrificial

665
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: tactics that different insects will take, right like when bees

666
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: will swarm around a wasp to increase the body temperature

667
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: of the wasp and they're sacrificed themselves to cook it.

668
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: Or how you know, speaking of bees, how they've got

669
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: one sting and then they're out. I can't imagine that's

670
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: that's a that's a real kick in the pants biologic.

671
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: To die on such an aggressive note, you know, and

672
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: such a state of of duress just doesn't seem like

673
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Speaker 4: a good way to go.

674
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: Imagine if you could punch people once.

675
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: Once and then you're dead. Everybody got to make that

676
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: punch count.

677
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: Everybody's like one punch man. Well, sad thing is gets

678
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: way more intense. Oh.

679
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: The sad thing though, is that the bee. It's it's

680
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: not like they have to do it on purpose either, right,

681
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Speaker 4: Like if someone like touches a bee, they could get

682
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Speaker 4: stung or like grabs a bee or something, or maybe

683
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: they do do it on purpose. But my point is,

684
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Speaker 4: do they know it's going to kill them? Probably not.

685
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Speaker 3: Well, it's for the good of it's for the good

686
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: or the hive.

687
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that goes back to the whole question of animals.

688
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: Do they know? What do they know? When? Do they

689
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: know it? You know, do the dogs know if they

690
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: throw themselves off this bridge is going to do them harm?

691
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: Probably not, certainly not in the way that we're describing

692
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 4: it or talking about ideas of suicide. Right.

693
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Speaker 5: I want to posit that I do not believe that

694
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Speaker 5: any of these dogs that have jumped off of this

695
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 5: bridge believe or think in the moment that whatever action

696
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 5: they're taking is going to cause them any harm whatsoever.

697
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: Same, And I.

698
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Speaker 5: Only know this because of the motivation factors that I've

699
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: identified in my two dogs. And and it's there's like

700
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 5: three or four things, right. It's they were outside and

701
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 5: they smell something, and they will go crazy trying to

702
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 5: identify where that scent is coming from. They see something

703
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: in the woods and they're trying to track it with

704
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 5: their eyes and as they move and they'll run along

705
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 5: the fence to watch it and move with it. If

706
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 5: they hear something like if they're in the house and

707
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 5: they hear, like one of my dogs, if she hears thunder,

708
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 5: even far in the distance that I can't detect, she

709
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 5: gets nervous. Or if they hear the raccoons that are

710
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: on my porch, apparently they go nuts. And what was

711
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: the other one?

712
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh? Food?

713
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: Oh?

714
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, food, And then maybe some fear motivation like well,

715
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: thunder would cover the fear motivation as well as the

716
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: auditory motivation. Yeah, I agree with you. And also, of course,

717
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: just to add this in here, yes, some higher order

718
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: animals that's not the most fair term, but some higher

719
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: order animals do appear to die of grief or heartbreak.

720
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: That also happens, but none of those things are the

721
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: same as when the human primate contemplates or commits the

722
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: act of taking its own life. And in all the

723
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: documented cases of canine death or injury on this unfortunate bridge,

724
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: not a single doggo exhibited signs of distress or malaise

725
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: in the days or hours leading up to their incident.

726
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: If one to explain this lean on zoology, If you're

727
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: a zoologists, you want to look at a couple things

728
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: to understand these behaviors, similar to what mattch just wonderfully

729
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: broke down the nature of the animal, the organism in question,

730
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: as well as the nature of the environment in which

731
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: the animal exhibits that behavior. And this is we're going

732
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: to cut some stuff out of here real quick. So

733
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: one of the questions we would have to have is

734
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: what about the sounds. What if there is a sound

735
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: that is outside of human hearing range, but as a

736
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: siren call to dogs that's very easy to measure. It

737
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: does not appear to be the case. People have also said,

738
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: well there's a nearby nuclear plant, perhaps that could explain it.

739
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: That doesn't seem to be the case. In twenty ten,

740
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: this animal behaviorist named doctor David Sands teamed up with

741
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: some folks and gave the first real scientific investigation of

742
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: this phenomenon. His can cclain illusion really informs our conclusion

743
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: on the show. He says, look, these canines are not

744
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: purposely taking their own lives. They're chasing something and as

745
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: not a rainbow bridge. Look at the dogs who've jumped

746
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: from the limited demographic data we have, a lot of

747
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: them are long nosed hunting breeds, the kinds that are

748
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: drawn to scents, and what kind of animals tend to

749
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: live in these small rivers in the forest. Mammals of

750
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: some sort. And then he also said, think about how

751
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: tall a dog is, think about their chase instinct, especially

752
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: if they're hunting or working dog. They don't have the

753
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 3: visual perspective to see that the ground has dropped. Right,

754
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: the last time they remember the ground, it was entering

755
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: the bridge and there's this slope. So to them, from

756
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: their perspective, the bridge is over level ground. They're just

757
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: on a weird part of the ground that happens to

758
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: have these two walls on either side, so they don't

759
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: clock that there's a fifty foot drop and these smells

760
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: are coming up from the river, you know, thinking of

761
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: things like minks that one gets brought up a lot

762
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: minks or pine martins right, or I don't know, field mice.

763
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, insert any large prey mammal here. What would

764
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: you do. You're walking by and you smell it, and

765
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: as far as you know, it's just over the side

766
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: of the wall.

767
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 5: I think this is extremely valid. Again, if you look

768
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Speaker 5: at pictures of this bridge and consider how short it

769
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Speaker 5: is in length. And then also look at what the

770
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: bridge looks like as you're entering onto it. If you

771
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 5: are at a dog's height, doesn't matter how tall your

772
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: dog is, like a little Scottish Terrier to a Dalmatian

773
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 5: at that height walking along, it doesn't look like there's

774
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: a drop off at all. So you know, if you

775
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 5: can just imagine the dog would have no sense. As

776
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: you said, Ben, that there's a fifty foot drop after that.

777
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 5: No matter which side you enter that bridge from, it

778
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 5: doesn't look like there's a huge drop there, and that's

779
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: because of how relatively far out onto the land that

780
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 5: bridge stretches.

781
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's a short bridge. As you pointed out,

782
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: there were some hunters, I believe, who originally said, well,

783
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: I've been here for quite some time, there's no mink

784
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: in the area, but that was disputed by a guy

785
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: named David Sexton, who joined doctor Sands in this investigation.

786
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: And Sexton said, Hey, one end of this bridge in

787
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: particular has nest of minks and squirrels and mice, and

788
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: they all produce smells. So this seems to be, at

789
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: least for my money, this seems to be the most

790
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: likely theory because it requires us to prove the smallest

791
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: amount of things. The first two theories rely on cultural

792
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 3: interpretation and frankly a couple things modern science can't measure yet,

793
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: let alone prove. But the third still needs some additional testing,

794
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: you know, to be water tight or to pass the

795
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: stiff test.

796
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: Oh, very nice, man.

797
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: Water is really important as well, because who is the

798
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: I watched a short documentary on this from a long

799
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 5: a little while ago.

800
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: A guy named David Sands.

801
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's doctor David Sands did the investigation.

802
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: Okay, so he's the one who even notes when he's

803
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 5: standing on top of that bridge that you can constantly

804
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 5: hear running water. But if you look down, the water

805
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: isn't very deep at all. It's not a dry creek

806
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: bed by any means, but there's not a ton of

807
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 5: water flowing. But it sounds like there's a lot of

808
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: water moving as well. So I'm also imagining that if

809
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: the dog even understands in some way that there's a

810
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 5: drop there, the sound may trick them into believing that

811
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: there's deep enough water for them to jump into water

812
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 5: the way they maybe.

813
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: Have in the past splash around. Good old time.

814
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: Totally makes sense. I mean, this is the thing. In

815
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: the meantime, people are learning to be more careful with

816
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: their canines around this area, more careful with their pets.

817
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: Overton Bridge is not a bad place. It doesn't have

818
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: a bad vibe. It's a beautiful piece of local history. Tourist,

819
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: pedestrians and canines go there all the time. It's just

820
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: you know, keep your dog on a leash, especially around

821
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: that part, around any drop like this, because if the

822
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: scientific causes are the explanation, and again they seem the

823
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: most likely, then it would mean that logically this place

824
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: is probably not unique just because of the geography. Well,

825
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm talking about smells.

826
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Speaker 4: I mean things around bodies of water or as you know,

827
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Speaker 4: like after it rains, like smells kind of carry further.

828
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: So if you're in a very like moist climax, you know,

829
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 4: like Scotland, you're surrounded by running water and all of

830
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: this greenery, those smells for certain types of dogs, you know,

831
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Speaker 4: are gonna be very tempting.

832
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 5: Guys, I think I may have found it, and you're right, nol.

833
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 5: The American mink is an invasive species in.

834
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Speaker 2: Scotland, Okay.

835
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 5: It arrived in or late nineteen twenties so early nineteen thirties. Hmmm,

836
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: I like this go on right, there were deliberate releases

837
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 5: of mink and breeding that were occurring in nineteen fifty six. Okay,

838
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 5: the mink population. This is according to Invasive Species dot

839
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Speaker 5: Scott so Scottish invasive species. What guys, it's right around.

840
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Speaker 3: The British number one and the mink number two right

841
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: as invasive species.

842
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 5: I'm just pointing this out to say maybe this was

843
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 5: an invasive species around that time when we started hearing

844
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: about things jumping off that bridge.

845
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: Right.

846
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 5: Oh, and there's another really interesting thing. In two thousand

847
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 5: and four there was one of the first mink control

848
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 5: projects that was in Aberdeenshire. Aberdeenshire, guys, what if the

849
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 5: dogs like just started picking up on this mink smell

850
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 5: for the first time right around the early windows.

851
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 4: It's great. It's really helpful with the timeline for sure.

852
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: And you know what else. Minks are known for their musk. Oh,

853
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: mink musk is actually a profitable product. If you type

854
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: in mink musk you get all kinds of entries for

855
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: like websites, Minnesota trapline products, you know, for attracting other minks.

856
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: Mink musk, mink glands, you know, for sale and all

857
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: of that stuff. They are known for excreting a very

858
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: potent aroma.

859
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: Which is how they come up as usual suspects. So

860
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: this is our this is what we think is the

861
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: most likely explanation. It doesn't exactly have to be minx,

862
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: but there's some compelling, circumstantial evidence that they can be.

863
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: They could be the culprit here unwittingly. So with that

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, guys can add one more mink thing before I

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Speaker 5: Going back to doctor Sands who tested the sense of

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Speaker 5: three different animals, Ben that you mentioned what was a

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Speaker 5: was mink, squirrels, and mice.

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Speaker 2: I think uh.

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Speaker 5: In the way he admits it's unscientific testing, it's not

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Speaker 5: controlled testing. But in his tests with ten dogs where

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Speaker 5: he released them their three different scents, the dogs could

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Speaker 4: Cracked it. But Matt, if anyone else has anything to

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