Speaker 1: Have you thought about the cost of men that opt
Speaker 1: out of leadership opportunities to society.
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing it. I think we see it
Speaker 2: in the degradation of family values. I think we see
Speaker 2: it in the degradation of our institutions when there is
Speaker 2: no leadership. This is what happens. America has a shortage
Speaker 2: of male leaders. Men are quietly checking out of leading
Speaker 2: in their communities, their own homes, and even their own lives.
Speaker 2: Is this the great destiny of my life? Is to
Speaker 2: just bring home paychecks and be sad? Is it in
Speaker 2: a cubicle all day and make money for somebody else?
Speaker 2: Is this my purpose? This is what God called me too?
Speaker 2: Is to look another man in the face and say,
Speaker 2: don't worry, man, there's more.
Speaker 1: This is Frank Schwartz. He's the CEO of F three,
Speaker 1: which stands for Fitness, Fellowship and Faith. Men at over
Speaker 1: five thousand locations across the world join free, pure led
Speaker 1: workouts at five point thirty am that are outdoors, no
Speaker 1: matter if it's freezing, blistering, raining, or snowing. You're the
Speaker 1: CEO of one hundred thousand man movement.
Speaker 2: Currently we ain't done the mission of F three is
Speaker 2: to plant, grow, and serve these small workout groups for
Speaker 2: men in order to invigorate male community leadership. One of
Speaker 2: the core principles of F three is that it's pure
Speaker 2: let right. It's all volunteers, and if you come out
Speaker 2: long enough, we'll say it's your turn. You got to lead.
Speaker 2: We want to teach men leadership because if they learn
Speaker 2: how to lead, then they can take that home to
Speaker 2: their families.
Speaker 1: By the end of this episode, you're going to walk
Speaker 1: away with a blueprint for real leadership. You'll have a
Speaker 1: deeper appreciation for where your leadership matters most. You'll also
Speaker 1: discover the F three movement and that just might change
Speaker 1: your life or the lives of men you care about
Speaker 1: who really need to hear this episode.
Speaker 2: F three ain't gonna change the world. That's not what
Speaker 2: we're for. We're here to change men who will change
Speaker 2: them life.
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Speaker 1: to make service easier for all of us and together
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Speaker 2: Now, let's go to the.
Speaker 1: Episode Frank Schwartz from Fort Mill, South Carolina, which is
Speaker 1: basically Charlotte. Yeah, basically Charlotte got it, CEO of F
Speaker 1: three Nation, which I'm embarrassed to say, I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about until I learned about you, and just want
Speaker 1: to thank you for coming to Memphis.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, and don't feel bad. Some of the
Speaker 2: best people I know have never heard of us.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully, hopefully there's thousands more that we'll know of us.
Speaker 1: In about an hour from absolutely pretty cool place. We're
Speaker 1: in the mephis listening lab at the old Search Tower,
Speaker 1: Crosstown Concourse and Cool Venue, and we are recording with
Speaker 1: a live audience for you. Frank so Well knows a
Speaker 1: special thing. I'm famous, Bill, That's it. And so I
Speaker 1: want to thank everybody for joining us for what do
Speaker 1: we call this listen at lunch or something? Lunch and listen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for lunch and listen. Sorry, Alex has all kinds of catchphrases.
Speaker 1: I'm not he's the marketing all of them. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: let's jump into it. You joined F three for one
Speaker 1: blunt reason. What was it?
Speaker 2: Huh to not be fat anymore? That was really the cruxut?
Speaker 2: How long ago?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: So that was twenty fourteen, So I guess I'm I'm
Speaker 2: finishing up your twelve of this deal.
Speaker 1: So what I mean, what did you look in the mirror?
Speaker 1: And I mean they have these things called planet fit
Speaker 1: they do. I mean, why very true? What was very true?
Speaker 2: So well, I went to the doctor, my doctor, it's
Speaker 2: been my doctor since we moved to Charlotte twenty something
Speaker 2: years ago. And she was like, look, you got high
Speaker 2: blood pressure, you got high cholesterol, you're overweight, you got
Speaker 2: sleep apnea. She's like, you're basically just a stroke waiting
Speaker 2: to happen. And I was like, well, that's thanks for that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And uh and so it was like
Speaker 2: she said, basically like either you start actually exercising like
Speaker 2: I've been asking to you too for years, or you
Speaker 2: can beyond some medicines. That's so I don't want to
Speaker 2: do all that. So she says, well, then better start
Speaker 2: working now. So I started going to the gym like
Speaker 2: I did a YMC A thing right, And but I
Speaker 2: kept hearing about this F three thing, F three F three.
Speaker 2: And I knew a couple of guys who had been
Speaker 2: in And there's a guy that I that I worked
Speaker 2: with who had lost some weight and stuff and was
Speaker 2: looking pretty good and looked like he was feeling good
Speaker 2: about life. And so I said, uh, hey, man, what
Speaker 2: have you been doing and he's like, I've been doing
Speaker 2: this F three And I was like, what, why does
Speaker 2: everybody keep talking about F three? Like what is that?
Speaker 2: And so he explains it and told me kind of
Speaker 2: what they do for workouts and stuff. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. Like it was terrible. I was
Speaker 2: that was the world is very hard, Like it is
Speaker 2: what it sounded like to me, you know. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm more of like a jog on a treadmill for
Speaker 2: a mile and go and pretend I know what some
Speaker 2: of these machines do. And that's you know, that was it.
Speaker 2: So I uh so I decided just one Saturday, I
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'll just show up, like
Speaker 2: let just see, right, how bad can it be? It's November.
Speaker 2: Bad choice. It was probably one of the colder days
Speaker 2: of that year. And I went out there and and Bill,
Speaker 2: I had never really exercised in earnest, you know, since
Speaker 2: like high school, you know, and and so I mean
Speaker 2: it it was horrible. It's an hour long. And one
Speaker 2: of the core principles of F three is that it's
Speaker 2: pure lead, right, it's all volunteers, and if you come
Speaker 2: out long enough, we'll say hey, it's your turn. You
Speaker 2: got to lead, right. You don't get away with just
Speaker 2: showing up. Everybody has to participate, and not just in
Speaker 2: the workout, but also in the leadership of the workouts.
Speaker 2: So the way they did it on Saturdays then used
Speaker 2: to be they would do two halves. It's an hour long,
Speaker 2: and they would do you know, one guy would lead thirty,
Speaker 2: another guy would lead thirty. But I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just had shut up out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and we they start running us around. It's all this
Speaker 2: horrible stuff. And then it's about thirty minutes in and
Speaker 2: this guy goes all right, man, bring it in. Everybody
Speaker 2: kind of comes to, you know, gathers around him, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, thank goodness, that is over. That
Speaker 2: was horrible. I think that's the worst thing I've ever
Speaker 2: done in my life. And he was like, all right
Speaker 2: for the second half, I'm gonna head it off to
Speaker 2: this guy. And I was like, how is there a
Speaker 2: second half? Like we're all gonna die, there's no way, right,
Speaker 2: And and then we did the second half and it
Speaker 2: was horrible, but you know, you survive. But the thing
Speaker 2: was so that you know, you can get a workout
Speaker 2: a lot of places, right, And it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a misnomer to call us a fitness group. We
Speaker 2: use fitness, right, that is, that is kind of the
Speaker 2: trojan horse, if you will, to get a man to
Speaker 2: come out, right. But really it's about and not ironically
Speaker 2: an army of normal folks, right, But it's about community.
Speaker 2: It's about bringing men together. So F three stands for fitness,
Speaker 2: fellowship and faith. All right.
Speaker 1: So I went down a rabbit hole. I had on
Speaker 1: my underwear in one sock, and it was late last night,
Speaker 1: and got on my individual leases out of town. So
Speaker 1: I disturbed, absolutely, nobody noted. And I watched a couple
Speaker 1: of videos and what I saw is a bunch of
Speaker 1: people about my age, jumping curbs, lifting cinder blocks, uh,
Speaker 1: doing some other stuff that looked like Jane Fondo workout
Speaker 1: from the eighties.
Speaker 2: That must have been Memphis. No, it was not.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that because they're all here and and
Speaker 3: like getting a serious workout in, but just like using
Speaker 3: what was in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just started giggling, you know. It was
Speaker 1: not what I expected to see. No, So when you
Speaker 1: showed up and you joined F three for that one
Speaker 1: blunt reason, Yeah, was that what you found in the
Speaker 1: workout was that kind of atmosphere?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. Yeah, a lot of joking lots, ben
Speaker 2: are you kidding? Oh yeah, that's why I was like, how,
Speaker 2: what's even happening to me? Right now? Right? It was
Speaker 2: a lot of it. Now, at that one, we didn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of cinder blocks and that kind of foolishness.
Speaker 2: But it's not uncommon to you know, you'll be running
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh, a rock pile and everybody stops,
Speaker 2: and then you work out with the rocks or you
Speaker 2: know whatever whatever fallen trees. All right, pick up a
Speaker 2: log and carry that around. Right. It's it's this peer
Speaker 2: lead thing.
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's like, Okay, if I'm leading this week,
Speaker 1: what kind of stupid can I come up with?
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna make my group day? Uh? Fellas, would
Speaker 2: you agree? Yeah, that's that's about That's about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's about it. That actually makes it fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. It's all right.
Speaker 1: So I kind of get that. But you have said
Speaker 1: that F three is a men's fitness group, but it's
Speaker 1: really a clever disguise, it is. It is Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you hiding?
Speaker 2: We're cult No, I'm just no, it's uh. The mission
Speaker 2: of F three is to is to plant, grow, and
Speaker 2: serve these small workout groups for men in order to
Speaker 2: invigorate male community leadership. We want to wake men back up.
Speaker 2: There's a lot and this is it was very true
Speaker 2: in Charlotte. It may be true in Memphis, and I
Speaker 2: know it's true in a lot of cities and towns
Speaker 2: throughout America. But men of our age, right, poor similar
Speaker 2: as you mentioned right, that kind of late thirties ish
Speaker 2: to mid early fifties ish, right.
Speaker 1: You mean the dad bought the exactly well, not me,
Speaker 1: but some of that I don't know your s felt.
Speaker 2: I'll show you a picture later. You know, I'm a
Speaker 2: fat kid waiting to happen. But it's but no. But
Speaker 2: you know, they they maybe they got a couple of
Speaker 2: kids now right, this early stage of career in life,
Speaker 2: and uh probably they probably just had their second kid
Speaker 2: or something. They had something, just had to buy a
Speaker 2: bigger car, right again, maybe a bigger house. Get out
Speaker 2: of the three bedroom into a four or five, right,
Speaker 2: God forbid, drive a minivan. There it is, we say,
Speaker 2: all the time. We're an army of minivan centurions. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: that's that's what we are. Right, So you got it.
Speaker 2: You get in this lifestyle and pretty So what you
Speaker 2: find is after a few years of that, these guys
Speaker 2: who thought they were achieving, much like you, sitting in
Speaker 2: their underwear, one sock in their hand, on the end
Speaker 2: of their bed, and they go, was this It is
Speaker 2: this all I'm for? Is this? The great destiny of
Speaker 2: my life is to just bring home paychecks and be
Speaker 2: sad and shuffle mindlessly and listlessly in and out of
Speaker 2: these giant high rises in Charlotte, sit in a cubicle
Speaker 2: all day and make money for somebody else or whateverybody else?
Speaker 2: You know, like, is this my purpose? And you look
Speaker 2: in their eyes and you can see it the hurt
Speaker 2: I was telling guys just this morning, like I can't
Speaker 2: not do this. This is what God called me too. Right,
Speaker 2: is to look another man in the face and say,
Speaker 2: don't worry, man, there's more, there's more, And we get that.
Speaker 2: That's really what we are. It's a leadership group, and
Speaker 2: we want to teach men leadership because if they learn
Speaker 2: how to lead, then they can take that home to
Speaker 2: their families. Right, they can take that out in their communities.
Speaker 2: They can go places and teach others to know what
Speaker 2: they know, right, to teach them how to be functional.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why the fitness is all functional. Everything
Speaker 2: about what we do is functional, you know. So it's
Speaker 2: speaking to those men in those situations. Certainly at first,
Speaker 2: that's what it was designed for, right, was those men
Speaker 2: in that kind of middlelife crisis issue.
Speaker 1: You said that you believe that F three often finds
Speaker 1: men in the early stages of their midlife crisis.
Speaker 2: We hope.
Speaker 1: So do you think a dad bod is one of
Speaker 1: the first steps to a mid life crisis?
Speaker 2: You know that? And I'm being metaphorical of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But an emotional dadbod, if you will, an emotional dadbod,
Speaker 2: Now that's interesting. Yeah, I would say all the men,
Speaker 2: we call them sad clowns. There's a room full of
Speaker 2: sad clowns. Yeah, right, So that's a Sopranos if you
Speaker 2: watch that, but he says, you know, Tony says, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm like a like a sad clown. I'm happy on
Speaker 2: the outside, but I'm sad on the inside. And that's
Speaker 2: essentially what it is. Yeah, it's that emotional dabt bog.
Speaker 1: Why do you think so many men, especially middle aged men,
Speaker 1: have never with purpose? And when I say lad, I
Speaker 1: don't be mean. Managing a business gave.
Speaker 2: True community and that's part of what I love about
Speaker 2: F three and really about what you guys are doing too,
Speaker 2: is that it's volunteers. Right. If you got hired, as
Speaker 2: it were, to be in the position you're in, and
Speaker 2: that's your leadership, then you really are a manager. Right.
Speaker 2: Somebody's paying you. You're paying the people beneath you, and
Speaker 2: that means you have the leverage and the power of
Speaker 2: them to say, like, well, if you don't do what
Speaker 2: I say, I'm gonna pay you anymore. Right. So that's managing,
Speaker 2: which isn't bad. It's a form of leadership, right. But
Speaker 2: leadership in its most pure fashion, I think, is a
Speaker 2: man or a woman with vision who can articulate that
Speaker 2: vision and then persuade others to come with them. Right.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about the cost of men that opt
Speaker 1: out of leadership opportunities to society. I think we're seeing it.
Speaker 2: I mean in terms of dollars and cents, incalculable. I
Speaker 2: think incalculable. But I think we're seeing it. I think
Speaker 2: we see it in the degradation of family values. I
Speaker 2: think we see it in the degradation of our institutions.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's as obvious. I mean we're seeing the cost.
Speaker 2: We're seeing the cost. This is what is the problem
Speaker 2: is when there is no leadership. This is what happens.
Speaker 1: Alex, being a producer has done his due diligence for
Speaker 1: me over the last three years, prepping me good. And
Speaker 1: he's also a data minor, and I can't go we
Speaker 1: don't have time to go into the depth of it.
Speaker 2: But basically.
Speaker 1: He found that Pew Research did a cool study that
Speaker 1: said that about a forty percent approval rating of the
Speaker 1: White House and historically over the last eight presidential elections
Speaker 1: after two years, regardless of its Democrat or Republican, that's
Speaker 1: about the number, So it's really not about the politics.
Speaker 1: Same number for Congress, a little bit lower number for Senate.
Speaker 1: For the first time in our history, there's less than
Speaker 1: a fifty percent approval rating of the Supreme Court, it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a non partisan body. Even more surprisingly,
Speaker 1: for the first time in our history, there's less than
Speaker 1: a fifty percent approval rating of CEOs of our fortune
Speaker 1: five hundred companies.
Speaker 2: Interesting, so we don't approve.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, the same Pew research found
Speaker 1: that everybody knows that if they're watching Fox or CNN,
Speaker 1: ninety four percent of respondents said they realized, depending on
Speaker 1: whose news they're watching, that it's going to be slanted
Speaker 1: toward one viewpoint or another, and when reading social media
Speaker 1: that at the very least it's slanted all the way
Speaker 1: to pot patently false when getting your news from that.
Speaker 1: So we don't approve. We know we're being fed. Yet
Speaker 1: the exact same respondents said they spend and average are
Speaker 1: two point two hours a day either listening to Fox
Speaker 1: and then or on social media.
Speaker 2: I know that this poison is terrible for me.
Speaker 4: But let me have more of it, like a bunch
Speaker 4: of sheep. Look, man, we continue to follow narratives that
Speaker 4: we know are and then we wonder why we feel
Speaker 4: bad about ourselves and we opt out of service and
Speaker 4: leadership because we think the world's broken because we're feeding
Speaker 4: ourselves with.
Speaker 2: Yeah one hundred percent, troo yeah f three. It seems
Speaker 2: to me breaks that down. We like to think, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: we like to think because here's the thing and to
Speaker 2: your point, I think it's really encapsulated well in our
Speaker 2: second core principle, which is that it is open to
Speaker 2: all men. All We make no qualification, no kind of
Speaker 2: I mean there's no fee. There's no I mean Number
Speaker 2: number one corporates both it's free, right, it's always free,
Speaker 2: no matter what period. And the second is open all
Speaker 2: man and so there is no barrier to entry. We
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. I was telling guys this morning,
Speaker 2: there's a it needs to start to crop up all
Speaker 2: over the place. But one of the original workout spots
Speaker 2: early on in Charlotte is at a local treatment facility, right, libbing,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's you know at the one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty days now that they give for free.
Speaker 2: It's a Charlotte Rescue mission. And a guy named John Lambert,
Speaker 2: who is my predecessor, was started that and he says,
Speaker 2: you know these guys and he was an addict, right,
Speaker 2: so he knew. He also runs a multipajillion dollar construction
Speaker 2: company now, right, and so he was like, these are
Speaker 2: men that he had a heart for. So he goes
Speaker 2: and he starts to work out there, and originally didn't
Speaker 2: even want us there. They're like, everybody fails these guys.
Speaker 2: Everybody fails these guys. We don't need one more, you know,
Speaker 2: great hope to come and pretend like they care and
Speaker 2: then wash out after a few weeks. And then these
Speaker 2: guys once again look at their lives and go, well,
Speaker 2: I got nothing right.
Speaker 1: Many of our longtime listeners will understand the phrase turkey person.
Speaker 1: I'll explain it to you later.
Speaker 2: When I got it perfect, I have a feeling, maybe
Speaker 2: a check writers like kind of the same. Yeah, show
Speaker 2: up on Thanksgiving Giving and never shows and I never
Speaker 2: show up again. And so they said, we were not
Speaker 2: really thrilled with this idea, but we'll give you a shot. Well,
Speaker 2: it's been now out. Remember ten twelve years or something.
Speaker 2: We've been doing this every single Saturday. And at that location,
Speaker 2: you have men who are in the day depth of
Speaker 2: chronic addiction and homelessness. Right. Sometimes they've been in and
Speaker 2: out of this facility a couple of times, working out
Speaker 2: next to men literally who are billionaires and really outside
Speaker 2: of I mean, if you know, if you're a stute, right,
Speaker 2: you can pick it up. But really they're all wearing
Speaker 2: the same T shirt. Nobody asks, nobody cares, right. I
Speaker 2: only know because I know the guys, right, if you
Speaker 2: know him, you know him maybe, But but they don't
Speaker 2: look at it and go, this guy's less or oh
Speaker 2: he's a project or whatever. We really have a true
Speaker 2: deep ethos of every man is every man. God created
Speaker 2: every man to be a leader. He created every man
Speaker 2: to be successful. He created every man to have purpose
Speaker 2: in his life, whatever that purpose is. Some purposes are
Speaker 2: bigger than others. Right, You reach thousands and thousands of people, right,
Speaker 2: other guys that may not be their deal, that might
Speaker 2: not be where they're called to impact. We believe that
Speaker 2: every single man on this planet has been called to
Speaker 2: impact and sour. Our intent is to go and to
Speaker 2: find them and to unlock them, to give them leadership,
Speaker 2: skills and purpose, and to set them free, all while
Speaker 2: lifting center blocks. It's the weird jumping crbs bill. If
Speaker 2: knitting was the thing that brought men together into community
Speaker 2: and unlock their hearts and minds, we would knit with
Speaker 2: a fervor unknown to man. That's what we would do.
Speaker 2: It just so happens at the workout. It's a pretty
Speaker 2: good way to get guys in so F three isn't therapy.
Speaker 2: It's not not therapy.
Speaker 1: It's not therapy, but it's not not therapy because you're
Speaker 1: not therapists.
Speaker 2: Nope. But it feels like it's where men.
Speaker 1: Break themselves down a little physically to get stronger, but
Speaker 1: they also break themselves down emotionally and become vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Then is that? Yeah? Yeah? The fifth core principle of
Speaker 2: three is that it ends in what we call a
Speaker 2: circle of trust.
Speaker 1: Isn't that from Meet the Fockers?
Speaker 2: I'm watching you fokker? Right? Yeah? Exactly. I probably That's
Speaker 2: another thing I should say, just kind of a caveat
Speaker 2: is every good thing we have we stole from somewhere. Okay,
Speaker 2: good so, and we make no apologies about it. We
Speaker 2: don't care. Right, if it was good and it worked,
Speaker 2: we kept doing it. If it was trademarked, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: fight us. I don't know, right, we're not making any
Speaker 2: money over here, so exactly right, exactly November fourteenth, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: that was day one for me and we finished this workout.
Speaker 2: Now again, like I mentioned before, I thought I was
Speaker 2: going to die, and I'm out there my you know,
Speaker 2: very sexy, all gray, you know, rocky sweats, looking like
Speaker 2: a weirdo. I mean, guys are like, what are you wearing?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't work out in the cold. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing, you know. But that was
Speaker 2: the thing, this circle of trust, this this place where
Speaker 2: where men can can finally there's a place where men
Speaker 2: can share. There's a place where men can be. And
Speaker 2: it was there was something magical about it to me.
Speaker 2: We we got to the end, and what they do,
Speaker 2: you know, we do the idiot nickname thing and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff that's part of the kind of
Speaker 2: the tribal It was them of it all right, I
Speaker 2: mean you got them you know, money and about that
Speaker 2: in a minute, because it's fantastic. But we do all that,
Speaker 2: and then the then the final thing you do is
Speaker 2: you come in close, after the hour workout, after the
Speaker 2: hour workout, after all the announcements and all the naming
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, you come in close
Speaker 2: and you lay your hand on a brother. And depending
Speaker 2: on where you are in the world, it takes different forms, right,
Speaker 2: or depending on who the guy is that led that day,
Speaker 2: it takes different forms. If the guy was a Muslim,
Speaker 2: he may offer a Muslim prayer, right I you know
Speaker 2: that that may be his jam uh. And obviously where
Speaker 2: we are in the South, it's predominantly Christians, so you
Speaker 2: might have a Christian prayer. The guys that are up
Speaker 2: kind of in the in the pack northwest, right, that
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of religious fervor or belief, and
Speaker 2: so it might be it might sound more like an
Speaker 2: inspira shout out or something like that, right, But there's
Speaker 2: always something that you bring there. And the way I
Speaker 2: said it this morning, that I've said it a lot
Speaker 2: is you come to either share your burden or your joy,
Speaker 2: and a burden shared is half a burden, and a
Speaker 2: joy shared is twice a joy. And so we've created
Speaker 2: a space unintentionally, mind you, at first right now, very intentionally,
Speaker 2: but the first kind of accidentally stumbled on it. But
Speaker 2: we've created a place in a world where these kinds
Speaker 2: of places have been hollowed out, where men can come
Speaker 2: together and lay a hand on a brother and feel
Speaker 2: good about the fact that you know what I just
Speaker 2: shared with this dude, that my daughter's going through something horrible. Right,
Speaker 2: and then that within the next port before I make
Speaker 2: it back to my car, he's going to come over
Speaker 2: to me and be like, hey man, I had some
Speaker 2: similar in my life. When we get coffee, why don't
Speaker 2: we talk about that.
Speaker 1: For all of our listeners. I watched this video and
Speaker 1: when you say laying hands. I don't want people to
Speaker 1: envision an alter call at church where people are laying
Speaker 1: hands on them.
Speaker 2: More like a football huddle. It is. It's very good point. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's a we call it a ball of man, like
Speaker 2: you just get all all ball of man, just make
Speaker 2: a big ball of men and just get sweaty and
Speaker 2: and it is very much like a football circle where
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're all facing each other and there's
Speaker 2: just that there's that a little bit of uh at
Speaker 2: the risk of sounding some kind of way in front
Speaker 2: of my buddies, right, but a little bit of tenderness,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of God forbid, right, God forbid a men show a
Speaker 1: man showed tenderness. Feel confident enough, Yeah, to allow us
Speaker 1: tenderness to show confident and safe enough and.
Speaker 2: Safe as a weird word in our world too, because
Speaker 2: you know, all safe spaces, and some guys get really
Speaker 2: twisted about that kind of thing. But look, the fact
Speaker 2: is the fact, right, I'm not gonna I'm not going
Speaker 2: to become vulnerable in a place where I fear I
Speaker 2: will be attacked.
Speaker 1: Or maybe laughed up. Fair, I'm fifty seven and sixty.
Speaker 2: Let's say thanks and I.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, my generation, or at least how I
Speaker 1: grew up, was we didn't have a lot of catchphrases
Speaker 1: for stuff. We just said what we thought, rolled with it,
Speaker 1: and there's good ambat to that. Sure, in today's world,
Speaker 1: there seems to be a catchphrase or a title for everything.
Speaker 1: So when I think about masculinity, as I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: F three, the two are basically synonymous. Bill, So it
Speaker 1: makes sense, I understand. But see, here's the point. Because
Speaker 1: of that tongue in cheek comment. I think about the
Speaker 1: terms Matt, toxic masculinity, row culture, masculinity, soft masculinity. What
Speaker 1: is an F three masculine? Uh, real masculinity, true masculinity.
Speaker 2: Tell me what that? We would say virtuous masculinity. That's
Speaker 2: that's the way they rephrase it masculinity to us. Uh,
Speaker 2: most of the things you describe there, like the bro culture,
Speaker 2: you know, these red pill guys you know or whatever,
Speaker 2: and the Andrew tats and the you know, these kinds
Speaker 2: of guys that are out there. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: that's masculinity. I don't think there's such a thing as
Speaker 2: toxic masculinity. I think that's masculinism, right, much like feminism
Speaker 2: or other isms. Essentially, what you've done is you've taken
Speaker 2: this thing that really is beautiful and holy and good
Speaker 2: and you've turned that into your God. You've turned that
Speaker 2: into the thing that you worship. So these guys that
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time in the gym, well, sure
Speaker 2: they do that because they worship their bodies. They think
Speaker 2: they're very handsome and very strong, and some of them
Speaker 2: are right, and they're there to do that because that
Speaker 2: is who they believe that they are, their identity, that's
Speaker 2: that's right. We don't we don't believe in that. We
Speaker 2: don't believe in that. We think your identity comes from
Speaker 2: something bigger than yourself. And most of these people who
Speaker 2: protect or practicing what I would call masculinism are those
Speaker 2: who believe in themselves and only themselves. You hear a
Speaker 2: lot of oh self care, and you know this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and you know these guys, when you listen
Speaker 2: to what they're talking about, it's it's very very damaging stuff,
Speaker 2: very very damaging stuff. So a virtuous man, or a
Speaker 2: man who practices virtuous masculinity, which I think is true masculinity,
Speaker 2: is a man who I think practices courageous love, you know,
Speaker 2: full and complete self abandon in the service of his
Speaker 2: fellow being. That's really what we're for. The reason we
Speaker 2: get strong out there, lifting you know, rocks and trees
Speaker 2: and whatever else. The jumping over, you know, pick the
Speaker 2: tables or whatever, you know, whatever idiot stuff we're doing,
Speaker 2: is because Bill, heaven forbid. Now, I'm not that much
Speaker 2: younger than you are. I know you might think I am,
Speaker 2: but I'm not. You like, I'm so so bad, it's
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: No, honestly, I guess we're the same age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty close, right, Yeah, yeah, I see, it's good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't look bad for ninety eight, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I can tell you with clarity if you were in
Speaker 2: a dangerous situation. Right, Let's say, you know, the car
Speaker 2: crashes and it catches fire and you're unconscious. Right, I know,
Speaker 2: I know because I've done it. We did it this morning.
Speaker 2: I can hoist you on my back and run flat
Speaker 2: out for one hundred yards and you'll be fine. And
Speaker 2: that's who I am, you know. I tell you a
Speaker 2: story about that, actually, not about carrying somebody, but but
Speaker 2: this idea of kind of the the masculinity we're going
Speaker 2: for So I have this bad tendency to to sort
Speaker 2: of stop for folks on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: My wife says is dangerous, and I go, you gotta
Speaker 2: go somehow, right, But if I see somebody in distress,
Speaker 2: I just that's part of who I can't really help myself.
Speaker 2: And this is a few years ago now, but I
Speaker 2: stopped one time and it was just a you know,
Speaker 2: car stop flashes on. I can see people in the car,
Speaker 2: so I pull over and and I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: get out to help or whatever. Now I'm not a
Speaker 2: big guy. I'm not like a menacing presence or something.
Speaker 2: I'm not a you know, big fellow. And I didn't
Speaker 2: play you know, college sports or anything. But I'm not
Speaker 2: you know, It's just a random dude like getting out
Speaker 2: of his truck, you know, walking back toward your car.
Speaker 2: You know, you might might be a little weird it
Speaker 2: out right, Well, it's the beauty of it is. It's this.
Speaker 2: It's a clearly several generations of family in here. Right.
Speaker 2: The lady driving the car will look like probably her
Speaker 2: mom and probably her daughter in the backseat. I start
Speaker 2: walking back toward this car, and she hops out and
Speaker 2: runs up and She's like, oh, thank goodness. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, you guys okay, and she says, well,
Speaker 2: we've had people pull over and I just kind of
Speaker 2: waved him on. She says, but this is truth. I
Speaker 2: saw your F three sticker and I knew that I
Speaker 2: would be safe and I knew that you would help. Wow.
Speaker 2: Now part of that's the blessing of being in the
Speaker 2: Charlotte area. So a lot of people know what F
Speaker 2: three is. But in my mind, Bill, that's masculine. That's
Speaker 2: a great story. The be able to fix their car
Speaker 2: or you just end up having to give them a ride.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, yeah, I know now real maskill and you
Speaker 5: would be like, oh yeah, And I fixed the car
Speaker 5: and I changed the timely No. I walk into the
Speaker 5: car and I'm like, car broke. I don't know, you know, like,
Speaker 5: I have no idea car broke. I have trump Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: So I gave it a rye or whatever. Right, So we
Speaker 5: got him home and got people called it. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: that was the point. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: You talked about the location that had billionaires and formally
Speaker 1: incarcerated folks working out together. That was kind of the
Speaker 1: the the passion project of your founder.
Speaker 2: Uh, not the founder, but yeah, another guy. But yeah,
Speaker 2: another guy. That's the beauty of it too, Right, the
Speaker 2: founder didn't think of that? Does somebody in the crowd
Speaker 2: have an idea.
Speaker 1: With that perspective? Is background? Talk about some specific friendships
Speaker 1: that you know that are from two similar worlds that
Speaker 1: now lead and serve and are friendship friends with one
Speaker 1: another specifically because of F three. Man, that's a I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, that's a long list.
Speaker 2: Give me one. That's a long list.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'll tell you what. Yeah, give me one
Speaker 1: of yours. Okay, I'll do that. That's probably easier. Even so,
Speaker 1: one of the things we believe in F three is
Speaker 1: in shared leadership. Right, no, no one man can run anything.
Speaker 1: It kind of helps avoid a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't get this kind of cult of
Speaker 2: personality like I can't choose to do anything without you know,
Speaker 2: kind of this group of men that I've selected to
Speaker 2: come with me, right, we share leadership. Well, now, early
Speaker 2: on I didn't do it this way necessarily because you know,
Speaker 2: first thing you do is pick some of your buddies,
Speaker 2: like minded guys, and you think it's fantastic. You know
Speaker 2: this will be great. We'll hang out with our buddies,
Speaker 2: will make decisions about things. And I've learned over time
Speaker 2: that that is a very ineffective way to lead a
Speaker 2: very large volunteer group. So there's a guy named scratch
Speaker 2: and wines. I presume he has a real name, scra Win.
Speaker 2: First of all, I get that that's like a lotto car.
Speaker 2: But I can't help but think of a dude, you know,
Speaker 2: scratching and scratch it win. It feels good. I win, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to share that with him. But John Horton,
Speaker 2: and he actually is now are He's our only employee, right,
Speaker 2: he's our fundraising guy. He's the only one who actually
Speaker 2: works for as everybody else volunteers. But anyway, he's a
Speaker 2: guy who has very uh different political leanings from me,
Speaker 2: let's say. And that's one of the things that we
Speaker 2: love to fight with most in this country, right, fight
Speaker 2: with those kind of people, people that are opposite of us.
Speaker 2: But I specifically ask him to come and serve with
Speaker 2: us and be a part of the team because I
Speaker 2: know how different he is. Now I probably shouldn't even
Speaker 2: share this, I'm sure this first time. Some guys will
Speaker 2: ever heard it. But we were on a retreat as
Speaker 2: a leadership team, and John and I don't want to
Speaker 2: say we almost came to blows, but it was it
Speaker 2: was warm. We'll just say that it was warm disagreeing
Speaker 2: over something. Right. Now, that's a guy that normally you
Speaker 2: would be like, forget that guy. I'm done, it's over.
Speaker 2: He's dead to me. Throw him off the team, and
Speaker 2: we move on, right and get done. We need to
Speaker 2: get done. Well, some good advice from guys on that team,
Speaker 2: you know, come to me and say, wow, you know
Speaker 2: he doesn't believe in God. I have a very strong
Speaker 2: faith in get right. He doesn't believe in in a
Speaker 2: lot of the social things that I do, or and
Speaker 2: vice versa. Right, there is nothing about us that is
Speaker 2: I mean, outside of the fact that we're both men,
Speaker 2: and I mean his ages, he's fair amount younger than
Speaker 2: me and whatever. But we should match on paper, and
Speaker 2: we shouldn't, especially after fighting with one another and disagreeing
Speaker 2: so vehemently about certain things. There's no way that we
Speaker 2: should be getting along. And yet just before I came here,
Speaker 2: even you know, he's calling me, going, hey man, anything
Speaker 2: else you need for the trip? What else can I
Speaker 2: do for you? And you know you're going to be gone,
Speaker 2: your wife need anything, blah blah blah, blah blah, all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, right, And he is one of
Speaker 2: my dearest friends. I disagree with him so strongly about
Speaker 2: so many things. You know that he still doesn't believes,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, And so we we don't fight yell anymore.
Speaker 2: But but those kinds of stories, I mean, there's guys
Speaker 2: who you know, on paper, it would like, why would
Speaker 2: you ever talk to this dude? But some of the
Speaker 2: greatest friends I have are there's up in the in
Speaker 2: the Northeast. There's guys who I've worship very differently, non Christians,
Speaker 2: very differently, you know, different colors, different all this kind
Speaker 2: of I mean. And when you when you remove all
Speaker 2: of the stuff that the world tells you you're supposed
Speaker 2: to pay attention to to make you part of the
Speaker 2: same group, if you remove all that, and you can
Speaker 2: get a man who believes in his heart what the
Speaker 2: mission is, what he has is a mission as a man.
Speaker 2: We can disagree about whatever you like, you know. And
Speaker 2: so you know, I call this guy now because sometimes
Speaker 2: when I'm upset about something else and I'll be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I need a different perspective from my own, because my
Speaker 2: perspective is just making me mad, you know, So I
Speaker 2: need somebody to tell me to get my head out
Speaker 2: of my rear end so I can come back around
Speaker 2: and be a normal person again. Like that's the kind
Speaker 2: of thing that happens, and.
Speaker 1: That only happens with fellowship and trust.
Speaker 2: It happens with fellowship and trust and the way that
Speaker 2: we build fellowship and trust. A lot of times, this
Speaker 2: is part of why the workout is so useful. Is Bill,
Speaker 2: you seem like a reasonably trustworthy guy. I have no reason.
Speaker 2: I mean, I watched you on the film and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. Seemed like a good dude, like
Speaker 2: a guy I would really love to be around, Like
Speaker 2: I must, let I'd get that sense, right, right, But
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're not battle tested fair enough? Right?
Speaker 2: So I think you are because I've watched you know,
Speaker 2: I've seen enough evidence, right. But I mean, but another
Speaker 2: guy who hasn't been out there in what we call
Speaker 2: the gloom, which is that early morning hour before the
Speaker 2: world is awake, right, another guy who hasn't been out
Speaker 2: there and sweated with you, there's just a different kind
Speaker 2: of a thing, and you build that trust in community,
Speaker 2: and I can tell you dozens hundreds of stories of
Speaker 2: men who it's like, hey, fellas, in fact, come in here.
Speaker 2: Somebody was like, you know you're you're headed to Memphis,
Speaker 2: and no, no, hold on, I know you're laughing because
Speaker 2: you think what you know? You know what I'm about
Speaker 2: to say, your head to Memphis. I got a buddy
Speaker 2: whose brother is really struggling right now. You wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to maybe get in get him in touch with
Speaker 2: those Memphis have three guys and pull him out to
Speaker 2: a workout. That's cool. And that happens a dozen times
Speaker 2: a week or more constantly guys calling me or calling
Speaker 2: around and going, hey, I mean another quick story. I'll
Speaker 2: try and be quick. I'm in the middle of Saint
Speaker 2: Louis at a different, totally different thing. Right. I go
Speaker 2: to the airport and idiot, right, I see a woman
Speaker 2: sitting on a bench at the rental car place crying,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I should just not get involved here,
Speaker 2: like why I was wrong with me? Memory? Okay? And
Speaker 2: she starts telling me the story about all the different
Speaker 2: things that have gone wrong on this trip. Is she's
Speaker 2: trying to visit her son who is ill, and she
Speaker 2: cannot get to him. She's from New York and she's
Speaker 2: tried desperately. Everything has gone wrong for her. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what are you here for right now? At this moment?
Speaker 2: I need a rental car, but they won't take my
Speaker 2: debit card because I only take credit card, by blah,
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. Don't have a credit card, Okay,
Speaker 2: so what is it you need? I need to ride
Speaker 2: from here to next place where her son is, and
Speaker 2: then we can figure it out from there. And I said,
Speaker 2: hold on a second, and you just called the local
Speaker 2: Saint Louis guy and he goes, yeah, I know where
Speaker 2: that is. I'll be right over.
Speaker 1: That's community, right, That's what we're building under the guise
Speaker 1: of leadership. I think the greatest leaders of our time served.
Speaker 1: If you think of Gandhi and Mandela and Lincoln and
Speaker 1: King and the list goes on and on. When you
Speaker 1: think of them, you think of them as some of
Speaker 1: our world's greatest leaders ever. But if you look at
Speaker 1: their actions in order to leave, they served. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. It's just serviced.
Speaker 2: I would say, yes, service but not in the but
Speaker 2: but what in a way that is counter cultural to
Speaker 2: what you were talking about before the Turkey people, Right,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Service, right, this is real service. This
Speaker 2: is actual abandoning yourself in order to serve and care
Speaker 2: for your man.
Speaker 1: Look, man, I played five sports in high school. I'm
Speaker 1: a football coach. If hanging out with dudes, my two sons,
Speaker 1: and my father in law. The four of us take
Speaker 1: a guy's trip every year somewhere.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: Three generations. We have a blast. And when you're around dudes,
Speaker 1: there's a thing called dude humor.
Speaker 2: We don't do that here. And one of the most.
Speaker 1: Endearing things as I found out about you guys is
Speaker 1: you guys embraced some serious dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love it. It's like there's a guy right.
Speaker 1: Now who's a buddy of mine who had all kinds
Speaker 1: of teeth problems, and so he had all his teeth
Speaker 1: pulled and he's he's getting dentures. Well, the three days
Speaker 1: after he had his teeth pulled, before he got his dentures,
Speaker 1: you know that I had called up one of those
Speaker 1: delivery places and sent them.
Speaker 2: Some soup pro lunch.
Speaker 1: Very decent of you, I wasn't worried about it.
Speaker 2: He was hungry.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny that he could only
Speaker 1: eat suit. Yes, then he got his dentures and they
Speaker 1: were a little extended out front and too long, and
Speaker 1: he looked just like the Donkey and Shrek, and so
Speaker 1: I sent him a Shrek daw perfect. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna check me just as hard about being fat
Speaker 1: and ugly and formally redheaded and whatever. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: know I love dude humor. I love dude humor in
Speaker 1: the locker room. I just love dude humor. And I
Speaker 1: don't expect a lot. In fact, some of the things
Speaker 1: that me and my buddies or my sons think it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Lisa looks at me like we're just the biggest oh yeah,
Speaker 1: jack idiot neanderthals on the face of the planet. But
Speaker 1: I don't care because she's not a dude, and she's
Speaker 1: not supposed to get it.
Speaker 2: You mean, welcome here.
Speaker 1: It's actually best humor. If she doesn't get it, yeah,
Speaker 1: if she appreciated it, then.
Speaker 2: I'm with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you call half squat while holding your ankles, monkey humpers,
Speaker 1: you call push ups merkins, You call Pike push ups,
Speaker 1: Carolina dry dogs. I could go down the list. Here's
Speaker 1: one spider Man mountain clambers, or Peter Parker's that's great,
Speaker 1: progressive set up, flutterkick combo as a captain thor white
Speaker 1: arm push ups are workings. We actually call those Larry Craigs. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: remember that's theory. I mean the list goes on and on,
Speaker 1: and then some of the true legendary names, or flying squirrels,
Speaker 1: pickle pounders, squirrel splats, primate humper o rama, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: gets sometimes. The primate humper oramas is what you get
Speaker 1: arrested for the Zoo Exact tour to humpers, blockies, crawlbears,
Speaker 1: copperhead squats, and batan death March.
Speaker 2: And your name is Dark Helmet Dark.
Speaker 1: That is the stupidest stuff I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you what gifts. You know, it's funny because
Speaker 2: just just before I get we I got on the
Speaker 2: plane to come here. My wife last night was scrolling
Speaker 2: through Facebook. I don't know how these things ended up
Speaker 2: in her feet and she sees some guys from I
Speaker 2: don't know where, and it's fourth of July and they've
Speaker 2: got their You know, their American flag Ranger panties on it,
Speaker 2: and they're doing all kinds of crazy poses and stuff,
Speaker 2: and all I heard like no context for this, right,
Speaker 2: she just goes your friends are idiots, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry, I absolutely love it. Right,
Speaker 1: So a couple couple things with that one.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could come up with something that's a
Speaker 2: little more descriptive so you knew what it was, right,
Speaker 2: But monkey humper is objectively funny. It's just absolutely it's
Speaker 2: a funny thing to say. And so you know, with
Speaker 2: all of this growing up that we have to do
Speaker 2: so we can, you know, accumulate more and more crap there.
Speaker 2: You know that doesn't mean anything. I figured this was
Speaker 2: a I was hoping you would say this good. It
Speaker 2: felt like being childlike is helpful. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of places in the world after
Speaker 2: eight am, I should say, right where, maybe even after
Speaker 2: seven right where it's acceptable for me to say things
Speaker 2: like monkey humper. Right, I'm not sure it's appropriate right now,
Speaker 2: but you're a show. I love it. It's a fair enough,
Speaker 2: a right good all right. But but for a guy
Speaker 2: who has felt caged, you know where his heart has
Speaker 2: been locked up for whatever reason. Maybe maybe he grew
Speaker 2: up in a tough world. Look, maybe he has to
Speaker 2: make a living and his boss sucks. Could be any
Speaker 2: of this, It could be all of those things. Right
Speaker 2: when I say a tougher on walk and say like
Speaker 2: you grew up without a dat, right, sometimes we used
Speaker 2: to say we wish we grew up without a dad. Right.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a thing, right, We all come with
Speaker 2: it somewhere, and it keeps us locked up, it keeps
Speaker 2: us protected, And this is a place for man. We
Speaker 2: don't care what you do, we don't care how you act,
Speaker 2: we don't care who you are. Just come be, Just
Speaker 2: come be, brother, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And everybody gets a nickname, absolutely, Oh boy at the workout,
Speaker 1: don't get you're not getting one before you leave here.
Speaker 2: Bill, I got it. If I'd have showed up at
Speaker 2: five thirty, if you had to show up at five thirty,
Speaker 2: you'd have gotten one.
Speaker 1: What is going down range? And why is that so
Speaker 1: special to f three guys?
Speaker 2: So downrange is a lot of what it sounds like. Right,
Speaker 2: It's going someplace that wasn't your house, right or your
Speaker 2: home area. And so we go down range like I'm
Speaker 2: downrange right now right, I'm in Memphis. What's special about
Speaker 2: that for me is, I mean, look what I get
Speaker 2: to do, you know. And so when a guy I
Speaker 2: meant buddy guy goes down range because they do this right,
Speaker 2: But but I get to hang out with some of
Speaker 2: the best men that the world has ever had to offer.
Speaker 2: And I get to hang out and I get to
Speaker 2: talk to him, and how.
Speaker 1: Range feels like it's it's how you say to your
Speaker 1: F three guys outreach.
Speaker 2: M that's interesting. Uh, I would say that's not the
Speaker 2: way that we intended it, but I'm going to steal
Speaker 2: it now good right, because when we say down range,
Speaker 2: it really means that you posted it a workout someplace
Speaker 2: that wasn't yours right somewhere away. I got it, I see.
Speaker 2: And the special thing about that is is there's a workout.
Speaker 1: So like F three guy that happens to be in
Speaker 1: Birmingham or Charlotte or pick up place and they just
Speaker 1: go hang out with those F three guys when they're in.
Speaker 2: Say idiot things. And that's part of why it's so cool,
Speaker 2: because they.
Speaker 1: Show up and say, my name is a squirrel jumper.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Yeah, my name is squirrel jumper,
Speaker 2: and if and uh he knows exactly what a monkey
Speaker 2: humper is too, right, right, yeah, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: You're the CEO of one hundred thousand Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: Listen to this F three one hundred thousand man movement.
Speaker 1: Currently we ain't done and you're paid nothing, correct, and
Speaker 1: you have to pay your bills.
Speaker 2: So you have a full time job.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to have a full time
Speaker 1: job and then run a football team in the hours
Speaker 1: they're posting it. I imagine your world is seventy or
Speaker 1: more hours a week if you're running this organization and
Speaker 1: having to provide to put food on the table.
Speaker 2: Hey that and serve my church and all that. Are
Speaker 2: you nuts? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Interesting. It's a lot,
Speaker 2: isn't it. It is a lot, But you know something,
Speaker 2: But I feel like I have figured out a way
Speaker 2: where most of the things that I do and spend
Speaker 2: time on are part of my calling. They're part of
Speaker 2: my mission, They're part of my personal purpose on this planet.
Speaker 2: And I I tell people at work, even you know,
Speaker 2: my my job job, They're like, man, you have the
Speaker 2: best freaking job in this company. Because I do like
Speaker 2: culture and engagement for this whole software company, right, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just it's because I can't not do this. You know.
Speaker 2: This is what I was born for, this is what
Speaker 2: I was made to do, you know. And I'm also
Speaker 2: a very optimistic guy. I just really, I know it's hard.
Speaker 2: You don't really check that from me, But like everything
Speaker 2: that comes in in my life, I feel like is
Speaker 2: manna from heaven. I feel like it fell there and
Speaker 2: all I get to do is just every day I
Speaker 2: get to go pick it up. It's crazy you you
Speaker 2: watched Undefeated recently, so I guess you know that My
Speaker 2: father left when I was young. My mom was married
Speaker 2: and divorced five times. None of them stuck around, by
Speaker 2: the way. My dad was married in di worse three times.
Speaker 2: And if you're on your third, it's your fault, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1: And that was my question, is your first example masculinity
Speaker 1: was your dad? So I don't mind asking this question
Speaker 1: because my business is on the street, so let's put
Speaker 1: yours there too.
Speaker 2: How about it? Sure?
Speaker 1: How did that relationship shape the kind of community you
Speaker 1: want to cultivate for them?
Speaker 2: M I think it. Yeah, it's a good question. I
Speaker 2: think that it largely defined my purpose. When I talk
Speaker 2: to guys about finding purpose in their life, I say
Speaker 2: a lot of times, there's patterns that you can find, right,
Speaker 2: it's all p words, right, there's patterns you can find.
Speaker 2: There's things you're pissed off about. Right, there's people you're
Speaker 2: supposed to serve. But one of the big ones is pain.
Speaker 2: It is useful pain. And so for me, my dad
Speaker 2: was around, and when I was younger, he was It's funny,
Speaker 2: he was a happy drunk. So when he was drunk,
Speaker 2: it was actually better. But then we're our faith indicates
Speaker 2: that you don't drink, right, So when he was stop drinking,
Speaker 2: he was horrible. We'd always be like, maybe you should
Speaker 2: just leave the church, Like you should just go drink,
Speaker 2: you're much nicer, or become a Presbyterian. There you go, right,
Speaker 2: it would have been much better a Presbyterian. Everything's okay,
Speaker 2: I'm out there, you go right, Yeah, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so grew up in a in a house where you know,
Speaker 2: literally they would say he'd say things like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're lucky you don't work for me. I'd fire you,
Speaker 2: you know, Like what kind of thing is that to
Speaker 2: say to your kid. I mean it's bananas, right, Nothing
Speaker 2: you did ever was good enough, not one chance. My
Speaker 2: dad's what I used to call a thousand dollars man, Like,
Speaker 2: what's that. Well, it's a guy who you hand a
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to and he goes, you only had twenties.
Speaker 1: It's the people that I say you could, you could
Speaker 1: make it rain golden eggs, and they about the litter exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, that that is quintessential Doc Schwartz, Right, I got it.
Speaker 2: And and so growing up in that environment, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like anything, man, you can go one
Speaker 2: two ways. Right. I could believe it all. I could
Speaker 2: take it all, man, I did for a lot of years, right,
Speaker 2: and then eventually you just kind of go I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think this is how I want to be.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how I want to do this.
Speaker 2: So when I look at my life, I don't want
Speaker 2: F three to become a projection of my you know,
Speaker 2: weird childhood garbage, right, I don't want that. But I
Speaker 2: do believe every man has weird childhood garbage. Right, So
Speaker 2: I wanted to become a place where it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That's part of the idiot nickname thing too, right, You
Speaker 2: name a guy with you know, big ears, Dumbo, right,
Speaker 2: because we want him to understand, like none of that matters, man, Like,
Speaker 2: that's all just stupid stuff, all that stuff that happened
Speaker 2: when you were a kid, and stuff you got picked
Speaker 2: on or wherever your dad did or didn't leave your
Speaker 2: life or whatever. None of that matters. You're the master
Speaker 2: of your own destiny here, Like, you get to pick
Speaker 2: up from here and decide what you're going to be
Speaker 2: and how you're going to be. And that's what I
Speaker 2: want to create. That's what I believe in. I believe
Speaker 2: in a world where literally I've been called delusional. I'm
Speaker 2: okay with it. We're literally every man in every culture,
Speaker 2: in every corner of the world knows what he's there for,
Speaker 2: knows why he exists, and knows how he, by virtue
Speaker 2: of that, knows how to serve his fellow man in
Speaker 2: his community.
Speaker 1: You you led or were with I don't know if
Speaker 1: you led or just with them, the F three Men
Speaker 1: of Memphis Today.
Speaker 2: I'm ashamed that I did not know that there was
Speaker 2: an F three Memphis.
Speaker 1: I'm all ashamed for you. Yeah, no, it was at
Speaker 1: Shelby Farms, which is a cold place.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: It's actually I think the somebody can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I think it is the largest city
Speaker 1: park in the United States.
Speaker 2: Second largest is all right, second Central parkment. It's huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's massive, and it's it's really had
Speaker 1: a lot of development over the last ten years. It's
Speaker 1: pretty nice. So you went out there first, how many
Speaker 1: were there? Eighty eighty four? Eighty four guys. Eighty four guys,
Speaker 1: eighty four guys. How'd they treat you, helmet dark person,
Speaker 1: whatever your name is.
Speaker 2: With with the appropriate amount of poorness?
Speaker 1: So today, yeah, before this, yeah, you met eighty three
Speaker 1: f three Memphis men and got it an hour workout,
Speaker 1: and then y'all huddled up and said some stuff.
Speaker 2: Our boy, I get it. Sorry, I'm gonna say, I
Speaker 2: was gonna cut I know it, she said, I was
Speaker 2: gonna say. But I was debating because I renamed him
Speaker 2: this morning because when I met him, his shirt wasn't on,
Speaker 2: and so I said, I said, man, I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't know it was nipple day here, and so I
Speaker 2: started calling hi big nips the whole workout. He doesn't
Speaker 2: even really have pretty early large anything. But anyway, so cheesehead. Uh,
Speaker 2: he started his vehicle, ran it for forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: a brewed coffee on his tailgate. That's how we roll, right,
Speaker 2: So we did the hour workout, came back and these
Speaker 2: guys it was amazing. There was a table set up,
Speaker 2: and there was coffee and water. I mean it was
Speaker 2: like this whole and I would say probably I don't
Speaker 2: know half or more of them stuck around and fellowship
Speaker 2: with each other, just talk about stuff, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's what it's supposed to be. It's what it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: So the Memphis F three Club gets an A if
Speaker 1: I was auditing, I was auditing.
Speaker 2: Yeah A. Plus we also called Memphis the Land of Rules.
Speaker 2: Uh that's a that's a throwback to an old reference.
Speaker 2: But because these guys like to be very very specific
Speaker 2: in how they do things here at after they got
Speaker 2: a pretty well systematizer, they're doing real well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have built something remarkable, I think, but
Speaker 1: at its core, one of the reasons why you're such
Speaker 1: an interesting guest to Alex and me is that you're
Speaker 1: just normal people showing up for normal people. Ultimately, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the man out there or the wife out there who
Speaker 1: has a husband who's listening to us. Not the husband,
Speaker 1: but the wife's listening to us. The man who thinks
Speaker 1: it's just too ordinary to make a difference, or the
Speaker 1: wife that sees in her husband a degraded version of
Speaker 1: what she fell in love with. What does F three
Speaker 1: say about what just one normal person can actually do?
Speaker 2: We often because people look at F three now that
Speaker 2: we have you know, we're known a little bit in
Speaker 2: certain places, and they know we have some size, you know,
Speaker 2: to to our ranks and things like that. And I
Speaker 2: get a lot of guys who say things like, oh,
Speaker 2: man F three ought to you know, fill in the blank,
Speaker 2: do whatever it might be, right, And we often say
Speaker 2: that that man F three ain't going to change the world.
Speaker 2: That's not what we're for. We're here to change men
Speaker 2: who will change the world. So to a one guy
Speaker 2: who thinks he can't make any difference, I think he
Speaker 2: needs to probably step back and decide what difference really means.
Speaker 2: He needs to figure out that it ain't building some big, massive,
Speaker 2: you know, billion dollar company, or flying to the moon
Speaker 2: or any other that nonsense. Right. He needs to recognized.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: Done a lot of speeches all over the place. I big, big,
Speaker 1: big ones and all that. And one of the things
Speaker 1: in the leadership speech that I do is you can
Speaker 1: probably be the most effective, most important leader and servant
Speaker 1: without even leaving the front door your spouse and children,
Speaker 1: your family, And you don't have to be part of
Speaker 1: any big five oh one, C three or anything to
Speaker 1: have profound effect. And I know that because I lack
Speaker 1: that leadership in my own life. And I love what
Speaker 1: you're doing because I can see a man after joining
Speaker 1: F three and being involved for just a short period
Speaker 1: of time, I can see him feeling better about himself
Speaker 1: physically and better about himself emotionally and spiritually. And I
Speaker 1: got to believe.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 1: Most clearly reflected at home one.
Speaker 2: In fact, I say it a lot, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm not quite getting it through to everybody yet
Speaker 2: in F three. You know, but like if you're not
Speaker 2: taking everything that we teach you out there about leadership,
Speaker 2: about the principles of the workout even even things like
Speaker 2: you know, like our third core values that we are
Speaker 2: third core principles, that we work out outdoors no matter
Speaker 2: what rain shown, it doesn't matter, right, no matter what
Speaker 2: we're outdoors that's just a thing. And every man has
Speaker 2: to just you know, assess his own risk and decide
Speaker 2: whether or not he wants to be there. Now, that's
Speaker 2: up to him. But all those things that we teach
Speaker 2: you about becoming more durable, right, the fitness is functional fitness.
Speaker 2: I want to know that if I have to pick
Speaker 2: Bill up, I can, right. I want to know that.
Speaker 2: I mean, even down to something stupid, like if if
Speaker 2: the plane is late and I got to carry all
Speaker 2: the bags and our family has to run to the
Speaker 2: next gate or something, right, I can do that. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm strong enough to do that. I have the mental
Speaker 2: durability to do that. Right. If you're not taking all
Speaker 2: of those things that we teach you home, then there
Speaker 2: isn't any point. There's any point. The family is the
Speaker 2: basic building block of society. How the family goes, society goes,
Speaker 2: and how the man in the family goes is how
Speaker 2: the family goes. And that's just facts us.
Speaker 1: We got about ten minutes left, would love and obviously
Speaker 1: there's some f three people hanging around in here. Some
Speaker 1: of our giggling, especially when we talked about the nicknames
Speaker 1: and the monkey humpers and all that. Anybody got a
Speaker 1: question for mister Schwartz. I keep wanting to say, shorts,
Speaker 1: mister Schwartz.
Speaker 6: Ice Capades, thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: I mean, tell me that's not a great name. Bial
Speaker 2: ice Capades. That's pretty good. Ice Capades.
Speaker 6: Long story there, we can go and do it for time.
Speaker 6: Uh coach Bill any Thursday morning, five thirty right out
Speaker 6: here in front across town Brewery, open invitation.
Speaker 2: I love it. There it is. You have one right
Speaker 2: here outright.
Speaker 6: Every Thursday morning, right there on the street, right across
Speaker 6: from the new.
Speaker 2: Uh howbaitz do you have?
Speaker 6: Usually show up anywhere from one to twenty.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 6: And it's when you're the one that day you get
Speaker 6: to measure how you've built yourself by forcing yourself to
Speaker 6: put yourself through forty five minutes of monkey humpers.
Speaker 2: It's a good I never re working. That'd be bad.
Speaker 2: Dark how much so.
Speaker 6: One of the things we talk about is male community leadership,
Speaker 6: and that manifests itself. Obviously we talk a lot about
Speaker 6: in our personal relationships you got a new nickname by
Speaker 6: the way, our family relationships, but it also is into
Speaker 6: the community.
Speaker 2: As a whole.
Speaker 6: For example, here, I think it's about once a month
Speaker 6: we feed or work at a homeless shelter for men.
Speaker 6: Can you talk about any of the other initiatives some
Speaker 6: of the other regions have taken on.
Speaker 2: Sure, I would say that. Well, first of all, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you asked that, because I think sometimes guys think
Speaker 2: that when we talk about male community leadership, that it's
Speaker 2: like they got to go start something, and that's what
Speaker 2: it means to be a leader, right, to sit atop
Speaker 2: an organization somewhere or something like that, And it's just
Speaker 2: not true, right, Leadership happens everywhere in an organization. My dream,
Speaker 2: one of the dreams I would have for F three
Speaker 2: is that we would be guys. Don't like this term sometimes,
Speaker 2: but bear with me, but we would be an organization
Speaker 2: of infantry. Right. We would go and we would say, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't need to start the red crossover. They've kind
Speaker 2: of nailed it, right, but I bet they could use
Speaker 2: some help in leadership. And I got a willing mind,
Speaker 2: a strong back, right, and I know a couple things
Speaker 2: about leading people to make them more effective. So I
Speaker 2: love the asset because that's really the ultimate dream, right,
Speaker 2: is that we wouldn't go start some big thing that
Speaker 2: we would just go and be in all the things
Speaker 2: I used to say all the time. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: I'm going to be satisfied until I see our logo
Speaker 2: in every boardroom in America and all the halls of
Speaker 2: Congress and everywhere else. Right, then I'll know that we're
Speaker 2: getting somewhere. Right. So, to answer your question, there's guys
Speaker 2: like in Saint Louis. They've decided that the human trafficking
Speaker 2: is kind of their deal, right, and they raise tens
Speaker 2: or maybe even hundreds now of thousands of dollars every
Speaker 2: year for a couple of their local charities that deal
Speaker 2: with that alcoholism orcidivisims.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a more masculine thing to do
Speaker 1: than to protect vulnerable young women. Yeah, that's as masculine
Speaker 1: as it gets. I love that. I had no idea
Speaker 1: what you just said, but when you said it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is with with F three being
Speaker 2: the way that it is, the way that it's structured, right,
Speaker 2: it is completely decentralized. Right, I am the leader. It's loose, right.
Speaker 2: I can't tell these guys what to do in the morning.
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't pay any money. I can't revoke
Speaker 2: their charter, you know, I can't. I got nothing right.
Speaker 2: So the only way that they would lead or follow
Speaker 2: anything that I said is because either a I have
Speaker 2: a more superior vision to another man. I'm better at
Speaker 2: articulating it and better at persuading them to come along
Speaker 2: with me. Right, That's the only way that this that
Speaker 2: this means anything. But the guys on the ground are
Speaker 2: the ones who decide. They're the ones who who use
Speaker 2: the things that we teach them to then go and
Speaker 2: do the good in their community. So as an example,
Speaker 2: this this human trafficking thing, one of the guys who
Speaker 2: helped set it up in Saint Louis was like, it's
Speaker 2: not good enough to leave it in Saint Louis, And
Speaker 2: so he took all the things that he learned, all
Speaker 2: the principles that he learned about dealing with these, you know,
Speaker 2: the local charity and all this kind of stuff, wrote
Speaker 2: wrote himself a playbook and has launched it, I think
Speaker 2: in I don't know twenty or more locations across the
Speaker 2: US now, and is using F three guys, using F
Speaker 2: three guys to power an engine to serve not just
Speaker 2: raise money, but also to serve these You realize that's
Speaker 2: literally an army in normal folks, That is literally Why
Speaker 2: do you think I was so excited to be here
Speaker 2: because you got to me to Alex which ones he
Speaker 2: any other questions?
Speaker 3: This is Rabbit from F three Memphis, Dark Helmet.
Speaker 2: What's the best piece of advice you've ever gotten? And
Speaker 2: I'll Bill, I'd like to hear that from you as well.
Speaker 2: The best piece of advice I've ever gotten? You know
Speaker 2: what a guy said to me one time. I think
Speaker 2: that's a pretty reasonable piece of advice. Uh, never take
Speaker 2: advice for men you wouldn't switch places with. I've heard that,
Speaker 2: and that's great. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: The best piece of advice I've gotten And we don't
Speaker 1: have time for me to tell the whole story, but
Speaker 1: I alluded to it earlier is it's better to do
Speaker 1: nothing than to be a Turkey person. And real briefly,
Speaker 1: all that means is my first year at Manassas, I
Speaker 1: took over a team that the previous ten years record
Speaker 1: was four wins and ninety five losses. I had seventeen
Speaker 1: kids on a team, and midway through my first season
Speaker 1: there we were three and three, and I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty average, but when you won four games and ten years,
Speaker 1: they thought I was a fat, redheaded version of Line
Speaker 1: Kiffin or somebody.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So there, yes or nos are on the football field,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty clear that we need to start
Speaker 1: coaching things other than football, like character and commitment, integrity,
Speaker 1: the basic tenants that lead to a meaningful life long
Speaker 1: after the days of playing ball are over. And while
Speaker 1: the whole team is bind to the football, only half
Speaker 1: the team is buying to the important stuff. And so
Speaker 1: I went to my guy. Everybody has a guy, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, why can't I get that half
Speaker 1: the team to buy an important stuff like your half
Speaker 1: the team? And I knew he'd give me an answer,
Speaker 1: but instead I got that dismissive tone that you get
Speaker 1: from your kids when they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: And he just kind of said, all, coach, just keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. I'm like, oh, man, real talk,
Speaker 1: why can't I get that half the team to buy
Speaker 1: an important stuff like your half the team? I appreciate
Speaker 1: you all into the football, but what about the important stuff?
Speaker 1: And he said, Coach, I don't want hurt your feelings.
Speaker 1: I said, you're not He said, all right, real talk,
Speaker 1: I said, real talk. He said, Coach, you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out if you're a Turkey person or not. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? He said, man, Coach,
Speaker 1: Every Christmas and Thanksgiving, people from where you live come
Speaker 1: into New Chicago and Smoky City where I live, and
Speaker 1: they give us gifts and turkeys and we take them
Speaker 1: because we ain't got none. But do they leave and
Speaker 1: we never see them again. Makes you wonder if they're
Speaker 1: doing that because they really care about us, or they're
Speaker 1: doing that to make themselves feel good or brag to
Speaker 1: their friends about what they're doing for these poor black folks.
Speaker 2: Don't they.
Speaker 1: Hit me dead in the face. That's toxic charity, you know.
Speaker 1: If you're doing it because you enjoy the backslaps, or
Speaker 1: you're doing it because it looks good on a resume,
Speaker 1: or you're doing it to check a box at your company,
Speaker 1: and you're not doing it for the simple edification of
Speaker 1: someone who's not as blessed as you. You are a fraud.
Speaker 1: And that's what a Turkey person is. And the best
Speaker 1: advice I've probably ever been given in my life was
Speaker 1: from an eighteen year old kid from the hood who
Speaker 1: was basically saying to me, do it for the right reasons,
Speaker 1: to be consistant.
Speaker 2: Or don't do it at all. Maybe we should call
Speaker 2: that charitism, maybe because it's taking this beautiful thing, the
Speaker 2: love of Christ, and then turn it into this warphing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to serve yourself. That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I've heard you basically say that three different
Speaker 1: ways during our conversation, Alex, do you have a last
Speaker 1: question for us before we sign off it all? Frank
Speaker 1: dark Helmet, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking a day out of your life to come
Speaker 1: to Memphis and visit with us. I love that you
Speaker 1: hunt out with F three guys. I want to thank
Speaker 1: all of you for showing up and supporting the show
Speaker 1: and supporting Frank and joining in the interview. And I
Speaker 1: can't wait for this thing to go live and hopefully
Speaker 1: there's f three groups popping up all over all over
Speaker 1: the place, beyond the ones you've already done. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're going to go from one hundred thousand and two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Let's see if we can get plenty.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, great story, great work, Thanks for
Speaker 1: being here, Frank, buddy, Thank you and thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us this week. If Frank Schwartz has inspired you
Speaker 1: in general, or better yet, to take action by joining
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Speaker 1: your life who could benefit from it, leading more intentionally
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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear about it.
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