WEBVTT - “Teamwork Makes The Dream Work Part 1” 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.480 Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to those amigos. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:13.680 Yes, and I hearted Myuda destination for voice and ideas. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:15.200 That's right, Freddie, how are you? 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:17.320 I'm good with how are you good? 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:22.160 This is Freddie Rodriguez, my my best friends and and uh, 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.920 you know, partner crime here on this those Amigos adventure. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.360 We're a lot of episodes in and we want to 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.800 acknowledge every single one of you who have been watching 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.360 the show and also listening to our show. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.920 We love you. Guys. Tell a friend that we're here 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.440 for them as well. And uh, and what are we 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:42.080 drinking today? 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.000 Let's see a little coffeecito. What's the name of this place? 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:45.839 You said you wanted to. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.960 Get Loddres is a local business. We're going to support 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.160 a local business. Get our friends over there. And I've 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.640 completely elevated the coffee cafe game here on the you know, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.120 here in the valley. So big shout out to them. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:04.040 They roast their own beans and everything. Okay, very strong being. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.240 I mean right right right now. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.000 I've had I remember when we first started this, I 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:10.280 remember you talking them up. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:11.880 Yeah, they're great, they're great. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.840 So a big shout out to us and everybody you guys, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.000 and they keep spreading. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.560 They have like a few more opening up, so congregulations. Anyhow, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:22.640 I've been so. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.600 I've been so grateful, you know, through our conversations and 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.959 you know, we we had a great and then when 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.319 they asked us, like why did you want to do 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.440 a podcast? You know, it's a quick reminder that like, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.560 you know, for me that you know how much kind 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.440 of we needed this come. We needed to just talk 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.960 it out and bring us all together and bring all 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.600 of our people together in the community to kind of 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.280 just chat and and be and at a time where 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.840 it's important to kind of say who we are allowed. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.080 I think this is you know, this is kind of 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:57.960 uh was one of the small missions. But but yeah, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.360 but behind all of us, there's an amazing team, right 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.000 and I want to acknowledge our team here and those 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.240 those amigos. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.800 Yes, we have an incredible team out here. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.760 Leo Klem said, Leo Clem to not say anyone's name 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.799 for his and I thought it was disrespectful because there's 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.320 it's like so many more people that make this possible. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.960 Uh. So we going to introduce our amigo. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.120 You know, you you guys know him by now, guess 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:34.600 who has returned to the desk of the baron Aaron not. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.840 To be confused with Aaron Sanchez. Yeah right, is that. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.680 How Yeah Burlison, Yeah, burliston, Yes, Aaron Burlson back again. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.160 What's going on, Fellas, what's going on? 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.480 What's been new with you? Really? Blessed? Really blessed. Indeed, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.400 that's a great that's a great update. Thank you. Moving on? 0:02:53.760 --> 0:03:00.320 Uh yeah, just you know, excited to get him to 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.720 this conversation about teams. And you know, I was watching 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.720 the Oscars on Sunday and everyone gets up there, they 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.360 accept award, they like to thank their teams, you know, 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.040 big shout out to my team big, you know this person, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.680 that person. So just wanted to get the conversation started 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.639 with asking you both, like, what's the importance of building 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.960 a solid team and having that support behind you because 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.640 we all know we can't do it by ourselves, And 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.760 so wanted to ask you about the importance of a 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:33.440 team and then what roles and factors go in building 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:34.080 the best team? 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.080 Rights A great question? 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.120 Yeah, I mean Freddie, will you say that it starts 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.800 out as this kind of solo mission to try to 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.720 prove to as many be busy can that you can 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.240 in fact do this, and you have to make believers 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.160 out of individuals that are going to help you just 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.680 to continue to carve away at the possibility, you know, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.600 because it seems like you're kind of like solo and 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.880 just tell and everyone, Hey, put me in the game, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.000 you know, right. But then you know, then at some 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.320 point you need you need to have the support of 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.120 an infrastructure that's going to support your possible outcome. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.600 Now you do, I've had you know, It's funny. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.640 I just had this conversation with someone the other day 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.680 from my hometown in Chicago who does not understand the 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.880 entertainment industry or how it works. Right, And here's the 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.520 analogy I gave them. I go, what if you were 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.880 starting a restaurant, right, you'd be the restaurant owner, correct, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.160 And they're like, yeah, I go. And then you would 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.960 hire a manager to manage the restaurant, right, They're like yeah, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:36.720 I said. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:37.400 And then that. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.560 Manager's job would be to make sure that your restaurant 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.599 is successful by hiring the right bus boys, the waiters, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.080 making sure the plates are good, making sure the menu 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.080 is good. Right, It's all in collaboration with you as 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.279 the owner. But it's their job to make sure that 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.640 everything is running smoothly and in turn to be a 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:58.799 profitable business. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:04:59.080 Right. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.120 And what I was explaining to my friend is like. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:07.200 It's very similar, right, Like Wilmer Valderama is the restaurant, right, 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.839 and you sure have a manager, and you have an agent, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.680 and you have a lawyer, and their number one goal 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.960 is to make sure that Wilmer the restaurant, the entity 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.240 is successful. Right, And they all work together to make 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.640 sure that that entity is successful. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.880 Would be? Would that be a pretty accurate? Accurate because 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.880 you you do have to. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.800 Think of yourself and I say this only metaphorically. You 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.599 got to think of yourself as a product. Yeah, a 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.520 product that's to be shared with audiences. And what is 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:44.200 this product's claim, right, and how do you, in a weird, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.479 odd silly way, how do you sell this product to 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.920 the masses? And who does the selling right and who 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.240 puts you in the game to prove that this product 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.039 in fact could be something you can welcome to their 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.800 homes and their living rooms every evening before Aftener right, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.159 So so so. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.440 That so that's that's part of it. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.360 But but Aaron, your question of like, you know, how 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.279 do you put together a team or like, you know, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:09.680 what is it? 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.680 What does it take to put a team together? Like 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.560 this is is is. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:18.160 Very interesting because you know, at the beginning, it starts 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.640 with the audacity of thinking I can do this. Then 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.719 you have to find individuals that support that delusion of 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.120 feeling like you can, you know, and you have to 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.240 find you have to find people that believe it as 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:33.640 hard as you. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.720 You know, end up believing you right. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.120 Because one thing is having an agent that's just sending 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.160 you on auditions, and there's and there's another having an 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.920 agent that before they send you an audition, they get 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.960 on the phone with a cast in director or a director, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.920 a producer or a studio and it says, you have 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.120 to trust me right, putting my reputation on the line. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.080 This is the person you're looking for. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.560 Like there is there is like representation, and there is 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:03.680 like you know, a real disruptive belief you know that 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.000 with he's going to have to work and it's that hustle, right, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.360 Like you got to kind of find the hustler and 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.920 the representation. But you know, but how you get there 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.240 and all that is that's that's a journey, it. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.720 Is, right. You ever watch Shark Tank. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.640 Yeah you ever you ever seen, for. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.080 Example, like the guy who invented the ring camera, right, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.800 you ever seen him on that show or other products 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.360 that have went on to become successful. It's funny because 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.720 you watch that and then you watch the people sitting 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.960 on the couch on Shark Tank, and you're like, how. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.360 Could you not see that? 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.280 This is a billion dollar idea? 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:38.240 Right? 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.960 And I almost feel like your your team are the 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.200 people who are up on that stage saying you have 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.440 to buy Ring. You don't see it right now, but 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.120 you have to buy Ring. And the flip side to 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:55.600 that is that you're constantly facing people like those sharks 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.760 on the couch who are like. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.360 H I don't see it, right, I don't see it? 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.400 How could you not see ring? How could you not 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.239 see the potential in the product? 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:03.640 Like that? 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.760 And it's their job to convince the people that they're 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.080 missing out on a billion dollar idea, right. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.400 Yeah? You know. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.720 I think about the beginning of my career. I had 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.160 a teacher. Her name was Celes Boyd. I think I 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.920 talked to her. I talked about her earlier in the 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.560 It was this was just in high school. I was 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.240 in high school and I was taking her private class. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.320 That's her side Wednesday nice to her house, and you know, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.880 she was blessed her heart. She was such an angel. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.280 She was such a guardian angel to so many of 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.240 her students. You know, every couple of weeks she would 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.640 bring her friends who were agents, were just looking for 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.640 new talent, right, these young, cool small agents, yeah, to 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.200 her class and showcase, you know, and two things would happen. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:56.280 You get real feedback from agents about like you know 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.360 what you need to cultivate. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.800 In, know to get higher outside. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.120 You know, like what you need to work on right now, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.120 so then when you're out there, you get. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.239 A better shot. Right. So, like they give you this feedback. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:13.800 And she saw me do a scene with my sister 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:20.360 and she was like, you're ready. And she introduced me 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.320 to this agent, and this agent say, hey, I'm not 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.000 gonna I'm not going to represent you yet, but I'm 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.280 going to send you in a couple of additions and 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.000 see what kind of feedback we get. And they send me, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.480 I think, on like a couple of commercial auditions. You know, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.200 I don't even know they are, and I will get 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.720 all this feedback, right, They're like, wow, he's so good. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:42.520 He's so funny. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:48.120 But you know, but he has an accent, and if 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.160 you're on television, you don't have accents. You speak perfect 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.760 English somehow, you know, so he will get this feedback. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.160 But he was like, you know something about you da 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.040 da da keep sending you out, So he didn't really 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.880 represent me, but he was kind of just trying to 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.240 take me out and see what kind of feedback I got. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.320 I will say that that made me go, how do 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:13.000 I work so hard at these at the feedback? Like, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.920 how do I get so much amazing feedback that I 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.680 can just get him to sign me. Yeah, So my 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.240 hustle was like I want to work as hard as 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.480 possible to get him the best amount of feedback so 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:26.679 he can hire me. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.400 Because I wasn't booking the jobs. Like I couldn't book. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.080 The jobs right, Like people were like, yeah, it's got 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:36.559 an accent, because right, but you know, two and a 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.400 half years, three and a half years of like auditioning 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.400 and stuff, you know, he sends me on this pilot 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.320 and then you know, so he believed enough to put 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.280 me in this really high profile pilot, which was that 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:48.040 seventies show. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:49.400 What were you doing though? 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.200 Because you were saying I wanted to hustle so hard. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.000 I would be so good that I'd be undeniable in 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.600 his eyes to continue to send me. So what were 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.679 you doing that you were hustling so hard to show him? 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.400 Yeah, So if they would tell him, if the feedback 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.280 was like, hey, he's so funny, then I would be 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.720 I wanted to be triple the funny the next time. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.640 Ah ah right yeah. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.920 Or if they were like, oh he was adorable, then 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.719 I try to be quadrup or adorable. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.200 It's like, you know a little and you know it's 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.199 my glean. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.640 Yeah, So like I would just work on like leefing 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.960 that up, and uh, you know, may or may not 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.000 have worked, you know, but I definitely eventually he decided 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.920 to read because I was getting so close. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.880 But feedback is so important, right because like they know, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.559 you're not always going to book the gig. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:44.640 But as long as. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.320 When they're out there getting feedback that people are not saying, man, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.000 that dude sucked or he's super unprepared, I think that 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.679 that's more detrimental as opposed to not booking the gig 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.199 because they know they know it's a it's a numbers game. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:13.880 Yeah, what about you what was that representation finding that 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:14.560 first agent? 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.480 You know, I feel that throughout my career, I've always 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.000 had these like guardian angels. I've always had people who 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:26.880 were mentors who saw something in me and very much 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.920 at times that I didn't see things in me. When 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.959 I was in the seventh grade, I had a teacher 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:37.200 named mister Levine who we did a I think I 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.600 mentioned this in the other episode. We did a talent 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:44.720 show and he randomly chose me to do a scene 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.079 from a TV show and a talent show. I don't 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.280 know why he chose me, but he saw something in 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.560 me that I didn't see. When I was in the 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.439 eighth grade, I got into my first theater company and 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.160 there was a tea. There was one of the drama teachers. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.280 Her name was Carol Gutierrez, and she saw something in 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.040 me that I didn't see. And it was because of 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.680 her that I starred in the play in the theater 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.320 company when I was thirteen fourteen. It was because of 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.560 her that I got a two year scholarship to the 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.640 National College of Education. It was because of her that 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.440 she encouraged me to audition for the drama program at 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.679 my high school. There was another mentor named Ray Moffat, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.160 who hired me in this independent theater company called Muan 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:32.480 when I was like fifteen. Jeff Garland's ex wife, Marla, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.560 who signed me as my first agent when I was 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:40.840 like fifteen sixteen at Suzannees a Plus in Chicago, and 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.320 then coming to La, you know, my first manager, my 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.000 first agent here. You know, there was always people who 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.160 saw something in me. And it's funny because you were 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.680 saying you were fighting against your action. I was fighting 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.280 against my accent too. I mean till this day. People 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:00.600 were like, nah, he sounds too urban, he sounds too Chicago. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.280 I quick, quick side. But I had an audition one 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.240 time for a role. It was supposed to be a Latino, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.520 a priest out of Chicago, and so I went in there. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.640 I didn't lose my accent. I just sort of sounded 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:19.520 like me. And the feedback was he just sounds too urban. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.440 I'm like, wait a minute, isn't the character Latino. They're like, yeah, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:24.840 I go, isn't he from Chicago? 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:25.480 Yeah? 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.120 I go, I'm Latino and I'm from Chicago. So I 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.560 sounded like myself, So how can I sound too urban? 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:30.920 Yeah? 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:31.240 Yeah? 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.240 Anyway, I mean if I had a dime. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.560 It sounds too Latino, right, Yeah, yeah, sounds too like 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:39.120 I do. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:44.560 Okay, But yeah, I constantly had mentors along the way 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.560 that that continued to believe in me and see something 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.720 in me and was willing to put their reputation on 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:51.480 the line for me. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:52.840 You know. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.640 Oh quick, shout out, I have to give as we're 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.400 on the subject Mary Renew. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.680 Oh, Mary who. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:05.120 Is a director. So I've said this before. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.960 One of my first movies was Dead Presidents, and I 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.400 was an unknown out of Chicago. I was in La 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.080 shooting one movie and I auditioned for it and they 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.840 wanted everybody who was super popular at the time. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:18.840 The studio did. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.360 And she went to bat for me, and she wrote 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.000 a personal letter and she said, this is the guy 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.400 you need to hire. Trust me when I tell you this. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:26.840 WHOA. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:27.800 And it was. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.320 Because I'm not surprised going to bat for me that 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.280 not only did I get that movie, She's cast me 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.080 in like five other movies. I can't hardly wait because 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.640 of her. I did this other movie called Inconvenience, I 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.560 did Harsh Times, Grindhouse. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.520 Those are all Mary Vernew movies. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.600 I mean, Mary is and yes, major shutout to Mary 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.520 has been very vernew she's Betty May casting and you know, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.760 but many many actors can can look at her as 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:55.360 that guardian name. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.080 Yeah, somebody who really put them on. She's a champion. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.640 She actually is someone that I respect so much. I've 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.160 she's mentored me so much about you know, what they 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.120 look for when they're casting and you know what, talk 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.960 about a casting director and team. By the way, because 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.640 the girls on the office are also Yeah, I mean, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.440 I'm unbelievable. They they will not let you leave until 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.160 you have your best work on that tape. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.720 Yeah, dude, that's so rare. Yeah, that's so rare. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.760 And I mean I've I've experienced so many casting directors 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.520 in my career at the beginning of my career to 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:34.000 say where they're just like you know, cattle, like they 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.280 no emotional investment in trying to find the person because 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.280 you're at the casting call. You're not even at the 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.280 producer's called the director's call. So in the casting call 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.600 or just like filtering actors, you know. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:50.080 What's your worst what's your worst audition experience? 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:55.120 Oh god, I mean, there's nothing worse than somebody, you know, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.960 staring into a laptop while you're here for you or 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.160 like there's nothing there, you know, there's nothing worse than like, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.960 you know, you're in the middle of an addition. Somebody 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.600 walks in with a message for the director or for 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.360 the casting director and what and they're just like pretend 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.560 and then just expect you just keep going with the scene, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.919 whether it just like whispering something. There are excuses that 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.480 they're filming it anyways, but they don't understand, like the 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.080 disturbance of there's so many elements you're fighting against when 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:30.159 you're in that room. Yeah, nerves, all of the nerves, right, nerves, preparation, right, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.320 you're making sure you don't forget what you have just 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:37.560 read landlessly memorized, you know, and listening, you're trying to 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:42.240 listen without listening to what's not happening or what's happening 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.680 on the side of the addition, right, Like you're reading 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.439 with this person. But there's like rumbling here, there's like 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.800 whispering here. There's like writing notes sending back and forth. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.879 You're like, you know, like you wonder what are they 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.080 writing on that or what you know, it's like did 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.600 they laugh did not laugh at the right part. There's 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.639 just so much stuff and you just try and you're 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.000 trying to do such a good job. So I think 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.159 those are probably the worst additions. You come in there 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.440 and they're just like they're just filtering through or they 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.159 know you're not it as soon as you walk in 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:12.840 and they just let you go through with it. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.040 You're like, you know, it's like and you can feel it. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.520 You're like, you're like, this is not going well. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:24.639 Totally, totally. So that's why Mary. Mary is so different. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.320 You know that team is going to spend time with you, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.919 and if they brought you in, it's because they you know, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.560 they want you to get that part. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:32.080 Yeah. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.720 The only one of the only movies I produced, I 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:36.320 hired her. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.000 She I produced a movie called Nothing Like the Holidays 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.200 and Mary key sure, and. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.560 I dream of the day of being able to go 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.920 to marry me, like, would you please help me cast something? 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.840 Because she's just a master. She just has an eye 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.639 for people that know how to entertain. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:55.639 You know. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.040 So for Mary, I'm assuming it was so important to 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.560 put together the right casting assistant team right that can 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.800 really bring the best out of these actors and and 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.359 you know, and therefore the directors get the best you know. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.399 View at who's writing. Who's wrong? 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.520 Somebody might be right for it, but they just weren't 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:15.920 set up for success in that room. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.360 And they're like that. You know. It's stuff, you know. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.439 But they also tell you you need to be you know, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.040 you need to rely only on yourself when you go 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:28.359 into that room. Yeah, you know, if the reader is horrible, which, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:33.359 by the way, the readers is so bad. You know, 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.439 by the way, just for the people at home, a 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.119 reader is somebody who is at the opposite side of 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.320 the camera just literally reciting the lines of the other 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.760 characters in the script while you're auditioning for your character. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:48.960 So they're the ones that are just like going through 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.360 the other lines just so you can say your lines. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.399 You know, I got to tell this bad audition story, 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:55.479 if I may please. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.320 So this was like the mid. 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.320 Nineties, mid the late nineties, and this was around a 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:07.600 time that I felt that every time you saw latinos 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.680 on screen, they were sort of encompassing the stereotype, right, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.000 And stereotype is a whole other conversation that we could 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.479 have and how I feel about it. But I had 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.600