WEBVTT - Dual Power Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>It's been three months since you and your co workers

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<v Speaker 1>took control of the hospital. Things aren't back to normal yet.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not even really sure what normal is anymore, but

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<v Speaker 1>the days have fallen into a kind of routine. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's your turn to go report back to

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<v Speaker 1>what a friend jokingly referred to as the Endless Meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Assembly was now forever known as the e m A.

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<v Speaker 1>The e m A is technically the closest thing left

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<v Speaker 1>to a central government in Seattle. It was formed as

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of coordinating council between the various organizations and

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<v Speaker 1>workers councils that had emerged or simply emerged from the

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<v Speaker 1>woodworks in the wake of the collapse of the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Two things have become clear very quickly. One, there was

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<v Speaker 1>need for some kind of coordinating committee between the different

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<v Speaker 1>bodies to The only people who had any idea what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on in their portion of the city or

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<v Speaker 1>in their workplace were the members of the local council,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant there was no way in hell any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of central apparatus could dictate to them what actually needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be done. They're just wasn't a way to move

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<v Speaker 1>the information around the solution had been decentralization. Let the

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<v Speaker 1>councils do their work, let them work out who they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to talk to, but make sure there was some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of daily council that people could show up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the various groups we do report backs and what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing and what they needed. The structure was messy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it mostly worked, and at least someone had had

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<v Speaker 1>the idea to make sure if the delegate to the

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<v Speaker 1>e m A rotated so one person wasn't stuck spending

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<v Speaker 1>after life showing up every day. The problem really was

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<v Speaker 1>the same problem you've been dealing with for months now.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with the pooling of resources and people donating their

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<v Speaker 1>last precious American dollars to paying people to import more supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>the blockade was taking its toll. Nobody wanted to try

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<v Speaker 1>to force their way through the blockades and the cascades.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been some attempts to get in touch with groups

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland, but the control map was so ugly there

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<v Speaker 1>was no real chance of getting any assistance. Besides, the

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<v Speaker 1>real problem was the port. When the cops had fled,

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<v Speaker 1>the ships should simply stopped coming. They routed further south,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them to Oakland, or so you'd heard. The

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<v Speaker 1>logistics lines were collapsing faster than anyone could piece them

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<v Speaker 1>back together. What the long term consequences would be no

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<v Speaker 1>one knew, but something was going to have to change.

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<v Speaker 1>The calls to start engaging in piracy were only half oaks. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>A week later, an answer of sorts arrived. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>precisely what anyone had been expecting. You'd heard about negotiations

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<v Speaker 1>between workers councils, shipping companies, and a couple of governments

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<v Speaker 1>to try to prevent a bloodbath the docks with the

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<v Speaker 1>porter to Seattle already at a commission, no one could

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<v Speaker 1>afford another stoppage. You hadn't really been sure what to

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<v Speaker 1>make of it, but the representatives were here now. What

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<v Speaker 1>they proposed in front of the largest assembly you'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen was a kind of under the table deal. In essence,

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<v Speaker 1>the port workers would go back to work in both

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<v Speaker 1>Oakland and Seattle in exchange for seeding part of Oakland

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<v Speaker 1>itself to a newly formed federation. No one was sure

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<v Speaker 1>how any of this was actually supposed to work, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was the first chance you'd seen in months to

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<v Speaker 1>start solving the supply problem. That didn't mean everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>would agree to it. Democracy is still democracy, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe, just maybe, with a toe hold in Oaklands,

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<v Speaker 1>the Council's would start to spread, and that so called

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<v Speaker 1>government in California was looking shakier every day. Who knew,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe next time you wouldn't be negotiating at all. In

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<v Speaker 1>March or two thousand four, American occupation forces in Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to shut down the newspaper of a Shiite cleric

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<v Speaker 1>named Matada el Solder. The Americans had expected Sodder to

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<v Speaker 1>simply fold under the weight of the coalition's pressure. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they triggered mass protest that quickly turned into an armed uprising.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a new force at a Rock. The American

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<v Speaker 1>occupation Force, who've been expecting to be fighting al Quaeda

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe the rump of the remaining Baptists, were stunned

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<v Speaker 1>to suddenly be facing a working class uprising among a

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<v Speaker 1>rock a population. This new body Army, as it began

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<v Speaker 1>to call itself, was extremely well organized and were initially

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<v Speaker 1>able to route coalition forces. So what was this body

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<v Speaker 1>army that had so thoroughly rewritten the rules of Rock?

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after the US to posted on musse in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three Booktato Sauder, the son of another famous

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky shi At religious figure. Both Sauders had been famous

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<v Speaker 1>for this support and care for the poor. So when

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<v Speaker 1>Sauder returned to a Rock, he began to build a

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<v Speaker 1>political base among the Rocks working class, particularly in Solder City,

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<v Speaker 1>a working class suburb of Baghdad. He used his organization

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<v Speaker 1>to redistribute wealth, providing form of welfare states in an

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<v Speaker 1>almost completely shattered country, but are In his allies also

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<v Speaker 1>began to set up a network of freak clinics for

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant and nursing mothers. They used these clinics, which were

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<v Speaker 1>enormously popular, to build a base of support. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, extremely difficult, no matter what your ideological or

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<v Speaker 1>political agreements with the group, to attack them when they're

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<v Speaker 1>running free clinics for pregnant mothers. They protected these clinics

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<v Speaker 1>with militias, which allowed them to transform the community organizations

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<v Speaker 1>and good will that they had gained from the clinic

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<v Speaker 1>into the military power necessary for self governance and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>for resistance against the American occupation. Strategy proved enormously successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Mattato Sauder is still today one of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>political figures in Iraq despite sustained coalition and occupation force

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to stamp them out. But for all their working

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<v Speaker 1>class support, the Solderists were by no means leftists. In

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<v Speaker 1>late twenty nineteen, massive anti asterity, anti imperialists, and anti

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<v Speaker 1>sectarian protests erupted in Iraq as a reaction to the

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<v Speaker 1>murderous incompetence of the Iraqi government, who, among other crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>managed to poison a hundred and eighteen thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>Bosra through the mismanagement and subsequent contamination of the water supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Also are initially backed the protest, but turned on them

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<v Speaker 1>in early at which point soteristm militias begin to carry

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<v Speaker 1>out a brutal campaign of repression against the protest camps

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<v Speaker 1>that culminated in outrent massacres of protesters. These massacres became

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<v Speaker 1>semi regular features of soterist mass mobilizations, and alongside state

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<v Speaker 1>and paramilitary disappearances of activists, the attacks essentially crushed the uprising.

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<v Speaker 1>The violent homophobia and sexism of the soderust may see

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<v Speaker 1>met odds with their anti imperialism and concern for the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>but right wing organizations have often adapted specific policies, positions,

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<v Speaker 1>and organizational structures from the left, and in this case

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<v Speaker 1>the Soderius mobilizations have been extremely effective. Indeed, writing organizations

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<v Speaker 1>are often more effective at utilizing dual power tactics and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations and leftist movements. This is partly because of a

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental asymmetry between the right and the left. Right wing

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<v Speaker 1>organizations can almost always pend on financial support from wealthy

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<v Speaker 1>political backers, who, when push comes to shove, can simply

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<v Speaker 1>create a movement with pure money, as the Cokes did

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<v Speaker 1>to create the Tea Party. Leftists the ravings of right

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<v Speaker 1>wing conspiracy theorists, notwithstanding, have no such backers. This funding

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<v Speaker 1>and support can go a long way towards explaining the

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<v Speaker 1>successive groups like Hezblah. It is certainly true that without

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian support, Hezbollah would not be the movement that it

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<v Speaker 1>is today, but a great deal of their success is

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<v Speaker 1>simply attributable to the tactics themselves. This does not escaped

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<v Speaker 1>the notice of the U. S. Army Joint Special Operations Universities.

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<v Speaker 1>Major James Love wrote a monograph entitled hes Bellah Social

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<v Speaker 1>Services a Source of Power. In it, he writes the

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<v Speaker 1>most important branch of the Hezbillah organization is a social

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<v Speaker 1>service section, which can be demonstrated by the allocation of

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<v Speaker 1>an estimated fifty of hesbla's two thousand seven budget service efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>It is through the work of the Social Service Section

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<v Speaker 1>that all party activities are possible. Hesbalah's Social Service Section

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<v Speaker 1>was designed to influence all aspects of Lebinezia society. The

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<v Speaker 1>original intent of providing needed services to an oppressed people

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<v Speaker 1>appears to have been manipulated by Hesbillah as a vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>to bolster its ranks, provide a humanitarian shield to the organization,

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<v Speaker 1>increased influence within the Lebanese government, and combat at Shia

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<v Speaker 1>arrival on Ball. The Social Service Section serves as an

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<v Speaker 1>equal arm within the organization and is used as much

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<v Speaker 1>as the military and political wing in terms of leverage.

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<v Speaker 1>Hesbilah's Deputy Secretary General describes the purpose and intent of

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<v Speaker 1>the Social Service Section and the following passage. Hesbalah paid

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<v Speaker 1>particular attention to social work. Not one aspect of aiding

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<v Speaker 1>the poor was neglected, as the party work towards achieving

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<v Speaker 1>joint social responsibility, answering their urgent needs, and introducing beneficial

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<v Speaker 1>programs such work was policy considered party duty and concentrated

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<v Speaker 1>effort towards raising funds and making available social service resources served.

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<v Speaker 1>Towards achieving these goals, the party worked the best of

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<v Speaker 1>its capacities, cooperating with official institutions to his bond societal needs.

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<v Speaker 1>Has Blah's provided medical aid, reconstruction assistance, education programs, and

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<v Speaker 1>particularly programs that take care of patrons and widows, which

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<v Speaker 1>have served to solidify their base. These organizations were critical

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<v Speaker 1>to has Belah's meteoric rise from a political nonentity to

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<v Speaker 1>arguably the most powerful factuated side of Lebanese politics. Has

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<v Speaker 1>Bela's state within a state, as it's become known, it's

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<v Speaker 1>capable of even resisting the Israeli Army. Major Love's frustration

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<v Speaker 1>with the inability of the American Army to either deny

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<v Speaker 1>has Blah's own aid efforts or replicate them in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that could strengthen American power are testaments the effectiveness

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<v Speaker 1>of such a technique and the dangers they posed to

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<v Speaker 1>the American imperial and state project. One of his Love's

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<v Speaker 1>major concerns is that American aid program ms are simply

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in red tape. They're unable to respond as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as community led efforts, which means that those efforts

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<v Speaker 1>will get off the ground faster, get to the scene faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus route the political benefits. When the state is

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<v Speaker 1>unwilling or unable to provide services, especially in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of disasters, it leaves a power vacuum for organizations to exploit.

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<v Speaker 1>May not have heard of the RSS before. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>paramilitary group affiliated with India's ruling party, the b j P,

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<v Speaker 1>counts among its members India's Prime Minister Modi. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>probably the world's largest fascist organization. The RSS was founded

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<v Speaker 1>in a group nominally dedicated to protecting and promoting Hindu interests.

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<v Speaker 1>What this means in practice is that the RSS is

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to creating a Hindu state and maintains and promotes

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<v Speaker 1>a violent hatred of Muslims. The results in RSS members

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<v Speaker 1>being at the forefront of anti Muslim programs. The r

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<v Speaker 1>s s is pre World War Two leaders were open

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<v Speaker 1>admirers of Hitler and Mussolini, and while they eventually abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>those positions at the start of World War Two, the

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<v Speaker 1>rsss politics have remained thoroughly fascist. In the intense communal

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<v Speaker 1>rioting that both preceded and followed the partition of India

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<v Speaker 1>and Pakistan. After independence, which saw mass population transfers of

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<v Speaker 1>Hindus and Muslims and the death of somewhere between two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand and two million people, the RSS established itself

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<v Speaker 1>as a protector of Hindi refugees against Muslim violence, provided

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<v Speaker 1>protection and aid to those trying to survive the chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>The good will is generated, however, collapse After a former

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<v Speaker 1>RSS member did the singa most famous thing anyone associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the RSS has ever done, assassinated Gandhi. The RSS

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<v Speaker 1>was almost immediately banned, but in light of the terrible

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<v Speaker 1>pr you get when you're associated with killing Gandhi, the

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<v Speaker 1>RSS became increasingly involved with disaster relief. Over half a

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<v Speaker 1>century of painstaking organizing, it created schools and youth programs

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<v Speaker 1>to spread its influence and use them the fuel further

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<v Speaker 1>anti Muslim violence. In two thousand one, the organization gained

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<v Speaker 1>national acclaim for its response to a massive earthquake and Gunjarat.

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<v Speaker 1>The RSS heavily emphasized the non discriminatory nature of their

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<v Speaker 1>aid work in their propaganda, but in reality, many of

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<v Speaker 1>the villages the RS s had rebuilt after the devastation

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<v Speaker 1>had been transformed into miniature versions of the fabled Hindu

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<v Speaker 1>state that the RSS seeks to impose on all of India. Strategically,

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<v Speaker 1>this should look familiar to us now. It's essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>fascist form of prefigurative politics. The RSS used an earthquake

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<v Speaker 1>to build the structure of the new Hindu society in

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<v Speaker 1>the shell of the old. The BJP's dominance over Indian

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<v Speaker 1>politics while led by a member of the RSS, and

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<v Speaker 1>the brutal crackdowns body carried out in Kashmir our bloody

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<v Speaker 1>testament to the success of their strategy. Christian fundamentalist organizations

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<v Speaker 1>have also been extremely effective and utilizing their own form

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<v Speaker 1>of routing profigurative politics, so in a somewhat different way.

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<v Speaker 1>In the RSS, their new world is defined above all

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<v Speaker 1>by theocratic patriarchal authoritarianism. Like the radicals that occupy the

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<v Speaker 1>religious right was operating off the form of contagian theory,

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<v Speaker 1>theory that exposure to their social organizations and forms would

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<v Speaker 1>essentially be contagious and spread. But the Christian rights preferred

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<v Speaker 1>form as the patriarchal family, which serves as a microcosm

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of hierarchy and patriarchal violence that dominate

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<v Speaker 1>their long dreamed of theocratic society. The Christian Right would

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<v Speaker 1>instill these values into their children and send them off

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<v Speaker 1>into the world to propagate their ideology. Ettinger, an expert

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<v Speaker 1>on the Christian Right, wrote this about the second phase

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<v Speaker 1>of the strategy. In several church leaders came up with

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<v Speaker 1>a new approach, identifying seven spheres of culture to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on one after another to try to bring about the

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<v Speaker 1>lasting change and have a significant impact on the superstructure

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<v Speaker 1>of American culture. Lauren Cunningham, founder of Youth with the Mission,

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian missionary group coordinating international and national mission church

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<v Speaker 1>for young Christians, describes these seven areas as such, these

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<v Speaker 1>are the areas you can go on as missionaries. Here

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<v Speaker 1>they are first, it's the institution set up by God.

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<v Speaker 1>First the family. After the family was the church or

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<v Speaker 1>the people of God. The third was the area of

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<v Speaker 1>school or education. The fourth was media public communication in

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<v Speaker 1>all forms printed in electronic. The fifth was what I

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<v Speaker 1>call celebration, the arts, entertainment, sports, where you celebrate within

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<v Speaker 1>a culture. The six would be the whole area of

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<v Speaker 1>the economy, which starts with innovation and science. And technology, productivity,

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<v Speaker 1>sales and service. The whole area. We often call it business,

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<v Speaker 1>but we leave out something. We leave out the scientific

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<v Speaker 1>part which actually raises the wealth of the world, anything

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<v Speaker 1>new like making sand and chips for a microchip that

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<v Speaker 1>increases wealth in the world. And then of course prediction,

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<v Speaker 1>sales and service helps to spread the wealth. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the last area was the area of government. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a need encapsulation of the rights p Refigurative politics start

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<v Speaker 1>first with the family, and then with the church. Then

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<v Speaker 1>reshaped school and education and mass media in their image,

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<v Speaker 1>and from there you can begin to take the entire economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Churches have also long used aid programs to proselytize and

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<v Speaker 1>also expand their control over the population, which becomes dependent

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<v Speaker 1>on their aid. In the places where the left has

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<v Speaker 1>failed to provide for their community, the far right has

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<v Speaker 1>stepped in and has been able to rapidly and effectively

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<v Speaker 1>reshape the political landscape. This does not mean, however, that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't be beaten. Cooperation Jackson has offered one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerful visions of dual power in the modern US.

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<v Speaker 1>A product of the New African People's Organization and the

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm X grassroots movements Jackson Cush Plan Cooperation. Jackson has

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<v Speaker 1>put forward a radical and democratic bottle of dual power

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<v Speaker 1>with the aim of turning over control of the land

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<v Speaker 1>and the means of production into Jackson's black working class

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<v Speaker 1>and allowing it to achieve its own self determination corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson has formed mutual Aid Networks, started an incubated program

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<v Speaker 1>to help workers cooperatives get off the ground, and formed

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<v Speaker 1>a community land trust that purchases abandoned buildings in Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>and turns them over to the community. They've also somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>unusually wound up engaged in the electoral process after the

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<v Speaker 1>untimely death of Ally and Jackson Mayor Choqua la Boomba,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to the election of his son Choqua at

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<v Speaker 1>La Bomba, displaced the movement in a somewhat awkward position

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<v Speaker 1>of having allies, even if constrained by the realities of

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<v Speaker 1>state power in the state itself. But Paul Politics in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world is never as clean as the models

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<v Speaker 1>we create to describe it. It is only in our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to adapt the changing conditions of struggle while maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>our political principles that we can build the new world

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<v Speaker 1>in the shell of the old and we can build it.

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