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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one four

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Speaker 1: tan the show, we're joined by Field and Streams hunting

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Speaker 1: editor Will Brantley to talk Kentucky deer hunting and much more.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, afternoon, or evening, and welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today, as I just mentioned, we've got a great

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Speaker 1: guest joining us as Mr or Will Brandley, a terrific

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Speaker 1: deer hunter and the hunting editor over at Field and

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Speaker 1: Stream is with us and we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about his experiences deer hunting Kentucky and a number of

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Speaker 1: the different strategies and tactics that have worked from there,

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Speaker 1: as well as some of the things he's learned from

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Speaker 1: other hunters across the country as part of his job

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Speaker 1: at Field and Stream. It's going to be a great chat.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, in other news, my

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Speaker 1: co host Dan Johnson is not with me today as

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Speaker 1: he's out of town. I think for a basket weave

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Speaker 1: in conference, so it's going to be just me and Will.

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Speaker 1: But before we get that interview often running, I want

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Speaker 1: to give a quick plug for my other podcast, the

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Speaker 1: One Wild Podcast. If you haven't already checked it out

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard of it yet. It's my new joint

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Speaker 1: collaboration with Dreury Outdoors in which myself, Matt Dury, and

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Speaker 1: a great guest each week like Markart, Terry Dury or

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Speaker 1: other D o D team members, answer your specific hunting questions.

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Speaker 1: Our first three episodes of tackle turkey hunting, balancing hunting

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Speaker 1: now quickly before we give Will a call, we do

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Speaker 1: need to pause briefly for a word from our partners

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Speaker 1: at Sick Gear, who helped make this podcast possible. And

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Speaker 1: today we're continuing our series of sick stories, this one

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Speaker 1: coming from Chad Bell of Louisiana, who a handful of

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Speaker 1: of Midwestern deer hunting, and on this specific day, he

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Speaker 1: up his story right there, describing what that moment felt like.

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Speaker 1: It was extremely intense. Um in fact, being that that

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Speaker 1: I had never killed a buck with a bow. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was all the thoughts going

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Speaker 1: that is what it's all about. And this was the

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Speaker 1: sickest story. As Chad was wearing the Sick of Fanatic

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Speaker 1: Jacket and Bibbs on that hunt. If you'd like to

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Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show and give

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Speaker 1: Will Brantley a call. All right with us. Now on

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Speaker 1: the line is Will Brantley. Welcome to show. Well, thanks, Mark,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, I'm excited to get to spend some

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Speaker 1: how you been. I've been good man. It's uh ah,

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Speaker 1: of fried nuggets last night. Nice, that's funny. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: much further, Well, for those that aren't familiar with who

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Speaker 1: fielding stream? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I am HUM Fielding Streams

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Speaker 1: get one that that's pretty nice and gets my heart

428
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: right going, I'm probably gonna shoot him. So but but

429
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 1: we killed it. We kill a lot of good there

430
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: at that time, you're probably uh, you know, between that

431
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: week and the first week, you know, we don't do

432
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot of gun hunting. We're mainly bow hunters. Um.

433
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: I did shoot one with a gun last year, but uh,

434
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: you know, between that week and the first week in

435
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: November are the those my two favorite weeks of deer

436
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: season for sure. So so I have actually never been

437
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: able to hunt that early. All the states, all the

438
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: states I've always hunted have always been that kind of

439
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: either late September or early October opener Um. But this

440
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: year for the first time. I'm going to be going

441
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: to Montana actually for their openers, So that's like September three,

442
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: so I finally have a chance that one of those

443
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: velvet bucks. But it's a type we actually haven't talked

444
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: about a whole lot on the show ever. Could you

445
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of walk us through what your game plan is

446
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: for that super early season, you know, early September hunting.

447
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: You know, how are you patterning these bucks and then

448
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: getting a shot at one And let's I guess whether

449
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: you use bet or not? I guess. Tell us, however,

450
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: is that you're doing it? Yeah, yeah, well whether you

451
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: use beta or not? I mean, um, what what I

452
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: like about beta? And I and I do use bait.

453
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean I've written about that. I'm you know, people

454
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: don't like it. That's that's fine. That's uh, that's up

455
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: to them. They don't have to use it, but you know,

456
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's one of those things that I will

457
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: use it in conjunction with with all the food plot

458
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: work that I've done all summer. And what I use

459
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: it for is to position that deer in a spot

460
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: that is advantageous for me to hunt. So you know,

461
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: so that I'm not sitting right over the top of

462
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: one of my food plots and blowing deer out of

463
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 1: there whenever I go in and I start kind of

464
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: creating my ambush. Really next month, um, you know, I

465
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: I have you know, food plots that you know on

466
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: our places that traditionally I know there's gonna be a

467
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: bachelor group of bucks using that thing. Uh during the summer. Um,

468
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: I'll have you know, mineral licks just off the edges

469
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: of those food plots and and start kind of you know,

470
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: taking some inventory and getting pictures. And then what I

471
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: want to do is I like to uh, you know,

472
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: I like to set my you know, set my baits

473
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: site uh in such a way so that, um, it's

474
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: in a spot to where I can I can get

475
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: to my stand and get out of my stand without

476
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: running all the deer out of the food plot. So

477
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, usually it's gonna be in a spot where

478
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, I and I'll set several obviously for different

479
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: wind directions, but I'll set them so that given that

480
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: wind direction, I can sneak right in and and uh,

481
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, see that deer come out in the food plot.

482
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: And my hope is that you know, yeah, once he

483
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: comes out, he's gonna work his way at that bait

484
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: site and I can kill him. So, um, that's that's

485
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: kind of one of the ways I do it. We

486
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: hunt with a lot of a lot of pop up

487
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: ground blinds like them, and what I like to do

488
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: is I like to set them kind of right on

489
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: the crest of a hill, right next to one of

490
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: my food plots, and kind of set my bait site

491
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: just down from the crest of that hill, so that, um,

492
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching the food plot, I can get

493
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: deer upon the bait. If I don't get a deer

494
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: that I don't want to shoot, I can slip out

495
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: of that ground line and immediately have a hill between

496
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: myself and the deer. And then of course I'm playing

497
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: the win and man I can I can slip out

498
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: of the field and be within bow range of deer

499
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: and get out of there without them knowing up there.

500
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I want. And it takes a

501
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: couple of years of kind of dialing into a spot

502
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: to be able to figure that out, but that's, you know,

503
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: that's ultimately the goal. You know. The other thing too,

504
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: is I mean, I you know, I do knock on

505
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: some doors, and I've got permission to hunt some you know,

506
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: some farms where you know it's big crop fields and things,

507
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I don't bait those areas.

508
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: And I don't want to give the impression that the

509
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: only way you can kill an early season deers over bait.

510
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: It's it's certainly not. It's just a it's a good

511
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: tool to have if you're hunting a you know, a

512
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: small property. Um. But you know, I've probably honestly killed

513
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: more early season bucks just by glass in them of

514
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: an evening, uh, you know, on big soybean fields or

515
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: big you know, hay fields, uh than I have by

516
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: setting bait. And what I like to do then, you know,

517
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: the baiting process on my farm, it's kind of an

518
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: all summer thing of you know, kind of getting them

519
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: condition to come into that spot and taking trail camera

520
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: pictures of them. But if I'm you know, scouting, you know,

521
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: just kind of traditional farm country, I like to go out.

522
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean, trail cameras are great, but man, there's no

523
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: substitute for going out in the evenings with a pair

524
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: of binoculars and hiding in the fence row and just

525
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: watching that field and watching it come to life, you know,

526
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: during that last hour of daylight. And uh, you know,

527
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I like to see a bachelor group of bucks and

528
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, they don't um A lot of people think,

529
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, well, if a group of bucks comes out

530
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: on this trail this nineties, they're gonna use that trail

531
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: all the time. And and I experience, I mean, they

532
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: might use the same trail two nights in a row,

533
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: but typically, man, they're gonna use one of half a

534
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: dozen trails within a you know, two yard radius, so

535
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: that part of the field is to come out. And

536
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, at that point it just kind of comes

537
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: down to luck, and you just really it takes you know,

538
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: I like to glass a group of bucks for a

539
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: week and just kind of figure out like the area,

540
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: uh that not only were they like to come out,

541
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: but the area of the field where they like to

542
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: end up. And you'll find that a group of bucks will,

543
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: while they might use that different trail to come out

544
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: in the field, they'll almost always end up in the

545
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: same area of the field for two or three nights.

546
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because that part of

547
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the field has sweeter beans or whatever it is, but

548
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: if you can find that that spot of the field

549
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: that the deer going to, it kind of gives you

550
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: the same advantage of of setting a bait pile, and

551
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: that you can you can hunt that spot, you know,

552
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and kind of set up so that the deer coming

553
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: to you rather than you're setting up, you know, fifty

554
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: yards from where they might be bedded down. You know

555
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. In that kind of situation where you're

556
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: glass in the field trying to figure out where the

557
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: deer coming out of and where they're going to, and

558
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: it sounds like in this situation you wouldn't already have

559
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: a stand up? What's your game plan for getting in

560
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: there and getting a stand hung? Are you? You know,

561
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: is that something you're hanging it that day and hunting

562
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: it right away or do you try to get in

563
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: there and wait a week or how? And and what's

564
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: your kind of plan for that? Um? I like to

565
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: hunt out of a climbing stand. Um, we've got a

566
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of tall straight timber around here, is uh, well,

567
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: you've kind of got that all over the South. I

568
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: know you guys in the Midwest, you'll you'll like you

569
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: hang on stands, and I like hang on stands too,

570
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: but man, a climbing stand, I can get in there

571
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: and carry it in on my back. And you know,

572
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm doing a lot of the times.

573
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm glassing at those deers, I'm looking at those

574
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: field edged trees and saying, Okay, that one's tall and

575
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: it's straight. It doesn't have a bunch of limbs that

576
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: I gotta cut to be able to climbate. I can

577
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: get up there twenty feet and uh, you know, I

578
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: know I can get to stand in that tree, and

579
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: man if I can't um Honestly, it is so thick

580
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: and green around here. The first part of September, I've

581
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: shot a lot of deer just bringing in a little

582
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: fold out you know, dove stool and sitting on the

583
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: ground right there in a fence row. And still so

584
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: any advice for hunting from a ground blind just in general,

585
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: whether it be early season or later in the year,

586
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: that's something especially now with the advent of these, you know,

587
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: easy to collapse portable ground blinds, more and more people

588
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: are finding these things to be pretty useful, whether it

589
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: be with that or just sitting in a stool. What

590
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: what helps you make sure that happens happens the right way. Well,

591
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: sitting in a stool. I mean, I think it's um.

592
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, you know, really kind of overcomplicate things.

593
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Um, you sit out there turkey hunting, for example,

594
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: you're in full camo, you're sitting still. I mean, how

595
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: many deer if you had walked within bow range of

596
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you never know you were there. Um. It's one of

597
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: those things that you playing the wind is at a premium. Um.

598
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: But what I like to do is kind of sit

599
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: where I've got good cover at my back, and then

600
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: I like to sit where I've got a big tree,

601
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, in to me, maybe you know, five or

602
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: six feet away. I don't want it to be so

603
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: close that like my knocked arrow is gonna bump against it,

604
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: But I do like it to be right there and

605
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: that way. Uh, when deer come out, you know, especially

606
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: the does and little bucks, and I may not be

607
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: shooting that afternoon. Uh, you know, you can kind of

608
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: lean behind that tree and you know, just you know,

609
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: and and honestly kind of move You're moving around a

610
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: little bit as they're out there, to keep that tree

611
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: between you and them. And then it is a great

612
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: tool for when you do have a deer that you

613
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: want to shoot when he's coming out, when he walks

614
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: behind that tree, when you can't see his eye, he

615
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: cannot see you, and you can draw back and you

616
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: can kill him as soon as he steps out. It's

617
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: not I've done it a bunch of times this way.

618
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: I grew up deer hunting. Um, So that works. And

619
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys don't have the confidence to do

620
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: that because you know, they think they have to be

621
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: in a blind, that they have to be twenty feet

622
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: up in the tree. And the fact that the people

623
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: killed a lot of deer like that for a long

624
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: time and it and it, you know, they hadn't figured

625
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: it out yet. So it does still work, um, you know,

626
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: for you know, for hunting the the places on our

627
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: farms that you know, where we know we're going to

628
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I definitely like to set a pop

629
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: up line. Um. You know, I like to set it

630
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: at least a month in advance the season, if not more. Um,

631
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I do brush them in a little bit and I'll

632
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: freshen that brush, you know, throughout the year. And I

633
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: think probably my biggest tips for for pop up blinds

634
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: is you know, set them in an area you know

635
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: that they're they're gonna have a zipper door on one

636
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: side of it, or or some type of door to

637
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: you lise if or you know, set it in an

638
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: area so that when you step out of that door,

639
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: you're immediately in covering you can and you can get away, um,

640
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: you know. And once it's set, man, Um, get in

641
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: there and look at the shooting windows that you're gonna

642
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: want to have open and open those the day that

643
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: you said it. Leave everything else shut and don't get

644
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: tempted to open them up. You know, you can definitely

645
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: kind of peer around them and loocancy, you know, watch

646
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: for deer coming in and stuff like that. But if

647
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: you can't shoot out of that window, you need to

648
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: leave it shut. Um. The darker that you have it

649
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: inside that blind, the better it is. Uh. And then

650
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, the windows that you want

651
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: to shoot out, that will leave them open the entire year.

652
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Because if you look at the ground blind, man, you

653
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: can you can look at a pop up ground blind

654
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: from three yards away with a pair of binoculars and

655
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: if it's all closed up, it looks, you know, like

656
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: a big stump. If you open that window. It's got

657
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: a huge black hole in it that you can see

658
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: without binoculars. And man, I you leave a blind closed

659
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: all season and you get in there to hunt it

660
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: the first night and you open it up. Dear, absolutely

661
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: notice that there's no doubt in my mind. And you

662
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: know hunting guides and stuff that I've talked to that

663
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: use a lot of ground blinds. I pay you the

664
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: same thing. Open your shooting windows that day you said

665
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: it and don't ever close them. Makes a lot of sense.

666
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Keep it, keep it consistent, so you're used to it now.

667
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: You you mentioned that the first week of September and

668
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: then the first week of November are typically your best

669
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: weeks around your property there. So we've talked about you're

670
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: doing in September. What are you guys doing that first

671
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: week in November that's leading to all that success? Well,

672
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, we um I mentioned earlier that you know,

673
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: we're not really what I would call And when I

674
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: say we, I'm I'm really talking about my wife Michelle

675
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: and I. She's a very serious bow hunter as well.

676
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: And uh, she and I are you know, each other's

677
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: primary hunting buddy. Um we uh, although we don't get

678
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: to hunt together a whole lot. We've got a two

679
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: year old son, and um, it kind of limits our

680
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: time together in the field. Um. You know, we we

681
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: do kind of really we switched back and forth. Babysit

682
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: one night and she hunts, and then we swap it

683
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: up the next night. So um, but uh, you know

684
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: our our strategy. You know, we'd like to say we

685
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: were not big, you know, trophy hunters. Yeah, definitely, if

686
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: we've got a good buck, we'll we'll try to kill

687
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: him and and hold off. But you know, during during

688
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the latter part of September and

689
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: through October, we eat a whole lot of dear me

690
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: man um. We uh, we try to eat a whole

691
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: lot of store bought stuff. So we're shooting a lot

692
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: of those, are trying to get those in the freezer. Um.

693
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: And then about oh, I don't know about October fifteenth week,

694
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: quit shooting those. And the reason for that, uh is

695
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I like to get groups of you know, just family

696
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: groups of dose, you know, two or three big doughs,

697
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: a few fallons. Um. I like to get them really comfortable,

698
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: um and get them coming to a food source. And

699
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: and if I can keep from going in there and

700
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: bothering them, hunting them at all, I will you know,

701
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are really starting to really starting

702
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: to try to pattern a buck that time of year.

703
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I want to know about pictures of

704
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: bucks too, but I'm really worried, you know, not worried,

705
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: but really focused on where those dose are gonna be.

706
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: And I want to get several groups of dose, you know,

707
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: habituated to the certain areas. And once I learned where

708
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: those doughse are before the you know, before the peat

709
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: breeding and all that, when the bucks first start chasing, man,

710
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: those areas where those groups of dose are using every

711
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: day before they've been harassed and run out of the fields,

712
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: that's where you're gonna kill a good deer. Um, that's

713
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: where you're gonna kill those first few deers that are

714
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: out cruising. And that's that's kind of our strategy. And again,

715
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of speaking for small properties and things,

716
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, when if I'm hunting somewhere else, you know, yeah,

717
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking for funnels and things to try to you know,

718
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of maximize all that deer movement traffic. But you know,

719
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: that first week in November that has been my highest odds.

720
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, hunt is finding those groups of dose and

721
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and really hunting them and just waiting because that you

722
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: can guarantee that they're going to attract you know, whatever

723
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: good bucks are in the area, those bucks are gonna

724
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: come by and check that stuff. And just like you

725
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: said earlier, that's the time of year to me that

726
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: I want to be on the stand as long as

727
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: I can. You know, all day hunt server great at

728
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: the time of year. And now where those does are

729
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: hanging out, are you talking about their betting years they're

730
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: going to be in most of the time during the day,

731
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: or are you focusing on where they're feeding. I'm still

732
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: focused on the food a whole lot. Um. Now, the

733
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, the properties that that I manage, you know,

734
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: I managed for a lot of old field habitats, so um,

735
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the times the areas that

736
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm hunting are are you know, they are food plots,

737
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: they are kind of primary feeding areas, but they are

738
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to this really nice thick old field bedding cover.

739
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: And so you know, in a lot of ways, like

740
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: the the bedding areas and the feeding areas that really

741
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of wanted the same. You know what I mean.

742
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean that the deer just those groups of those

743
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: live right there, and they might bed fifty or a

744
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards off of that plot, but I know that

745
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: they're in that area, and I'm going to set up

746
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: for him on the food sources because that is the

747
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: best way for me to keep from running them out. Uh.

748
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: And that is the spot where I know, uh, you know,

749
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: of a morning and especially in the evenings, I know

750
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see them. And you know, the more times

751
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: you see them, the more like you know you are

752
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: to see them when they've got a buck chasing them.

753
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: So give you a give you a classic example, man. Uh.

754
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: One of our food plots that I had going last year,

755
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: about a half acre plot, I did just that. We

756
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: started getting a big group of doze that was using

757
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: that thing in uh in October, and I just kept

758
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: tabs on him. I did not hunt them. Um, we

759
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: we didn't mess with those deer. Just kept getting them

760
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: Montreil camera, kept getting them on Montreil camera. We're getting

761
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: a few nighttime pictures of bucks. And then these doose

762
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: were you know, they were in there at night then

763
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, usually about seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning,

764
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: they'd ease out in that field, get them a bite,

765
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: and they'd ease on back to bed. And then late

766
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: in the evening here they'd be, you know, and they'd

767
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: be out there, you know, till after dark. And they're

768
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: there every day, you know, from the middle October up

769
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: through the first part of November. The first time, the

770
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: first morning that I went in there to hunt it,

771
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 1: it was November one or November two. I got set

772
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: down on the blind and just started cracking daylight. And

773
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: as soon as the cracked daylight I could see one

774
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: of the fawns out on the food plot with me.

775
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I thought, well, you know, mamas around here somewhere, And

776
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: sure enough I hear some does running around in the woods,

777
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: and here buck grunting, and here comes the whole plan

778
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: of them trotting right out in the field, the whole

779
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: group of dose. And here it comes from a really

780
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: nice to endpoint. And uh, I screwed around and managed

781
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: not the killing. Um that plan just almost worked beautifully.

782
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's one of those things that uh,

783
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, um the like saying all the pieces of

784
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: the puzzle came together, except killing that big deer with

785
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: a bow and arrow, and sometimes that's just the hardest

786
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: part of it. Gosh, that's the truth. You mentioned a

787
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: couple different times that you're you're getting pictures of these

788
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: deer and and maybe tracking these doughs or getting nighttime

789
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: pictures of bucks. How exactly are you using trail cameras

790
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: at that time of year, both leading into November and

791
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: then once you know they're actually starts to be some

792
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: of that running activity. Are you using it just to

793
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: keep tabs of daylight activity or specific bucks? How are

794
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: you doing that? Well? You know, you'll probably notice, as

795
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about hunting year around, the common denominator in

796
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: in my deer hunting almost year around man is food. Um.

797
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: And that's probably because we're hunting, you know, on such

798
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: small properties. Um. I like to really hunt the fringes

799
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: of stuff. And so then that's where I put a

800
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of my food is kind of on the fringes

801
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: of that, you know, of that bedding cover, and that

802
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: keeps me from getting in there de you know, like

803
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: I like to have all my food plots and my

804
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: trail cameras as many as I can to where I

805
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: can drive to them. Whether it's in my truck or

806
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: on a tractor, and I can just get out and

807
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: check them and get back in and I don't have

808
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to walk through a bunch of stuff and scare a

809
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: bunch of deer off. So you know, that's that's where

810
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I keep my cameras. Doesn't matter if it's in the

811
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: early season or during the rut. You know, I don't

812
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: like to, you know, I put cameras over scrapes, and

813
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you might get that one awesome picture

814
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: of a buck on a scrape. A man, I scared

815
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: the hell out of bucks over scrapes with trail cameras,

816
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: and I've come to realize that, you know, yeah, that

817
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: that scrape is gonna be a great place to get

818
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: a picture, but it's probably not going to be the

819
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: place you're gonna kill that deer most of the time.

820
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: And you know, my my trail camera scouting has been

821
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: better served by keeping those cameras on the food plots

822
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and on the bait sides. You know, where I'm seeing

823
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: these does uh? You know? And and yeah, you can

824
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: definitely there are times when you know, say Halloween, you

825
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: pull a trail camera card and daylight pictures of does

826
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: and little bucks and then oh man, there he is,

827
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, three o'clock in the afternoon, he's coming out

828
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: there to check it. And yeah, that's definitely my queue

829
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: to get in there and uh and hunt that deer.

830
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: So um, you know that's that's kind of my think

831
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: year around, you know, I think, Um, sometimes we kind

832
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: of fall into the trap of over analyzing what we

833
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: need to be doing as deer hunters. You know, do

834
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: we need to get back off in the in the

835
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: timber and in the funnels and hunt staging areas and

836
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: all this were really you know, kind of the the

837
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: whole formula of food doze bucks. Um. It works year around,

838
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: so including the rut so true, so true. So being

839
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the hunting at or the hunting at a very field

840
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: and stream, I imagine, and especially I guess with all

841
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: your time leading up to this, I imagine you've got

842
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: to meet and speak and learn from a tremendous number

843
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: of really really really successful hunters. And I kind of wonder,

844
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: given that huge sample size of of hunting and expertise,

845
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: is there anything you've found that most of these guys

846
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: or girls have in common the very best hunters. Is

847
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: there anything that you can look to now over all

848
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: your years and say, yeah, this, they all had this,

849
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: or they all did that. Anything come to mind. Time

850
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: in the stand in a high quality area absolutely, Um.

851
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: You cannot kill a big deer or any deer in

852
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: a place where they don't live. And that's just that's

853
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: just the way it is, man. Um. You know, So

854
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: you have to have an area where you know that

855
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: those dear lives. And and then beyond that, you have

856
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: to put in the time, um and and and and

857
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: it's not just a matter of going every day. It's

858
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: not that. But you have to put in the time

859
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: when the when the time is best for you. On

860
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: the days when that wind is right, Uh, you better

861
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: be in a tree somewhere. Um. And And that's just

862
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's one of the you know, it's

863
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: easy for me to say because you know, as a

864
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: part of my job, I can, you know, I do

865
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: need to go hunt a lot. And you know I'm

866
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: able to, you know, cut out of work every afternoon

867
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: at two o'clock during your season and go getting the standing.

868
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: And I understand a lot of guys can't do that.

869
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: And so you know what I tell folks is that look,

870
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, um the days when you think, well that's

871
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: it's too hot, or you know, the moon phase isn't

872
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: right or this and that, Um, then you still gotta go.

873
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: I've killed bucks and howling wind, I've killed them in

874
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: the rain. I've killed him when it was ninety five degrees.

875
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: I've killed deer under about every weather condition you can imagine. Yeah,

876
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: my favorite time is a is a high pressure, still

877
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: cold morning. Uh, just like everybody else. But you know

878
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: the fact is you have to you know, you have

879
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: to spend time in the tree because this is a

880
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: even when things are absolutely perfect. Um, you know, if

881
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: you're only gonna hunt one morning, you're going out there

882
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: and and still the odds are against you that that

883
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: big deer is gonna walk by within bow range, and

884
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: so you just you just have to keep going. And

885
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's kind of the same with

886
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: with every type of hunting, but with but especially with

887
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: bow hunting white tails. UM. I think that's you know,

888
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: those those the two key ingredients. And again you know,

889
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: I'll emphasize that at that time. Uh it does you know,

890
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: definitely don't go sit, you know, if you've only got

891
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: seventy acres to hunt. Don't go sit in a tree

892
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: when the wind is flat wrong, you know, just because

893
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: Brantley said you need to be in the tree, it's

894
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: not that, it's when, when the conditions are right, you

895
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: need to be out there. So and when they're wrong, uh,

896
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: you need to be somewhere else. So whether it's you know,

897
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: on another farm that maybe it's not as good, but

898
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: you've got permission to hunt on or a pee the

899
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: public ground. Uh, you know, just go somewhere where the

900
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: conditions are good for you to hunt that day. Yeah,

901
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up. That's such a

902
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: key point. Um. You know, I'm a huge advocate and

903
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: believer in the idea of of waiting until the right

904
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: condition is the right time to go into your best spots.

905
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, to your point, you want

906
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: to be in a tree still. So it's great to

907
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: have like Burner stands, I kind of call me spots

908
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: you can go to where you can still get out

909
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: and hunt. But when the conditions aren't right, you're not

910
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, risking ruining your best spots, but you're still

911
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: out there, still have the chance. And I think that's

912
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. For people to try to go

913
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: into a season. Yeah, make sure you've got your good

914
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: spots and your main hunting property, but try to prepare

915
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: for those off days too, when it's not gonna be

916
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: ideally going to your best spots, but have a secondary

917
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: spot you can go to exactly. Man, you know I'll

918
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: wait all year to go deer hunting. I love it, um,

919
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: And the afternoons when the weather is pretty uh and

920
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: the wind is not right for one of my you know,

921
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: the stand that I really want to hunt. You know,

922
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: it kills me to sit at the house and not go.

923
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: And you know I would much rather go sit in

924
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: a burner stand as you call it, or you know,

925
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is, even if it's the stand where I'm

926
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: just like, man, I'm gonna go out and shoot it

927
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: though this afternoon. Um. The fact is I've had a

928
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: lot of hunts where I was going out to shoot

929
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: a dough on a given day or just really going out,

930
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, almost something like an observation stand, just to

931
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: see what I would see and end up killing the deer.

932
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm one of the biggest boat kills I've ever you

933
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: know that I've ever gotten. He's sitting here on the

934
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: wall in the office, big old, pretty heavy eight point UM.

935
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I killed him one afternoon in September. I went out,

936
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: uh and back when I was working for a fishing magazine,

937
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: I cut out of work just a little bit early, UM,

938
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: and I did not get in the tree until about

939
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: six o'clock, and I hunted just kind of the corner

940
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: of this big cut corn field, UM and got up

941
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: this high in that tree as I could stand it,

942
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: so I could see the whole field. And I was

943
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: really just wanting to the glasses field and just see

944
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: what came out for the afternoon. And this bachelor group

945
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: of bucks came out probably four hundred yards away, and

946
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: damn if they didn't walk up bee line straight to

947
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: my tree and end up right under me. Right, I

948
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: kill one of them. And it was on the one hand,

949
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, I was lucky that I came right

950
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: to me. But on the other hand, you know, I

951
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: could have stayed home to the state at work, and

952
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: you know how I've never seen that deer. I guess

953
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: one of the things I hate the most is when

954
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I make the mistake of saying that it's not the

955
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: right night to hunt, and I just stay in the house.

956
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: And then from behind my house and both sides of

957
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: my house actually I can see crop fields or food plots,

958
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: and and whyde open areas so inevitably I'm checking the

959
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: window every like five ten minutes, and then when I

960
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: see a bunch of deer or a buck, I just

961
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: get so upset. There's nothing worse than that feeling. So,

962
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, drive you absolutely nuts. So we just you

963
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: just share with us, you know, what would be some

964
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: of these key consistent things that the best hunters have.

965
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: On the flip side, from everything you've seen and heard

966
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: given your career, are there any things that you find?

967
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Are there any mistakes I guess that you find being

968
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: made the most often, either by others or by yourself

969
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: that are kind of just chronic mistakes that we both

970
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: hunt keep making for some reason. Oh yeah, yeah, man,

971
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you know, we we

972
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: all do. Um. I think one of the one of

973
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: the things that I'm seeing in this area in particular,

974
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: and it's, um, you know, it's kind of symptomatic when

975
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: we talked about all the good press that that Kentucky

976
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: is getting these days. Um, you know, it's uh, it's

977
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: a popular white tail spot man and it's uh, it's

978
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: it's obviously created a market for Kentucky deer hunt. And

979
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: so we've got some very successful outfitters in this area

980
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: that have leased up a lot of the ground that

981
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: was formally, uh you know, formally available for me and

982
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: my buddies to hunt. And you know, it's uh, I

983
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: don't I don't really blame the outfitters. I know a

984
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: lot of those outfitters, and they're good guys and they're

985
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: hard working, um but but you know the fact is

986
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: they've you know, they've driven the least prices up so

987
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: high that um, you know, it's as you can be

988
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: hard for you know, for the average guy to get

989
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: in there and find a place to hunt. And I

990
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: think because of that, you know, it kind of I

991
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: don't know, it almost kind of puts some guys into

992
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: a dear depression. They think, Man, you know, there's there's

993
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: nothing left out there to hunt. You know, I don't,

994
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: I don't have anywhere to go because uh, you know,

995
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: because everything is leased up, and and you know, I

996
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: think what guys end up doing is focusing on that

997
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: rather than either focusing on the ground if they do

998
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: have to hunt, or knocking on doors, looking for more

999
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: ground to hunt. You know, even though this is a

1000
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: really popular area of you know for outfitted hunts. Um,

1001
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of farmers out there that that will

1002
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: still let you hunt. UM, and we'll especially still let

1003
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: you hunt if you give them a little cash. There's

1004
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: still leases to be found, and so or you know,

1005
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: you can you can do what you know what Michelle

1006
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: and I did and save up your money for a

1007
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: down payment on a farm. Yeah. Well we're gonna be

1008
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: in debt for a long time, but you can't take

1009
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: it with you. And hunting grounds important to us. So

1010
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we decided to spend our money on.

1011
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's part of it is. Um. You

1012
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: know that one of the big mistakes is not you know,

1013
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: working hard enough or early enough to you know, either

1014
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: secure a new ground or to make sure the ground

1015
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: that you're hunting is the best that it can be. UM.

1016
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's that's one of them that you know,

1017
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: one big mistake that I see. And and you know

1018
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about um, you know, obsessing over things

1019
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: like five obsess over anything. It's over how my food

1020
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: pots are looking, you know, Um, you know, getting new

1021
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: ones in the ground and uh, you know, making sure

1022
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm you know, spread the grass out of them and

1023
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: keep the mode and all that stuff. And that's so

1024
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: that's that's one big thing. Um. You know. I think

1025
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the other thing too, you know, just kind of you know,

1026
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: if you're talking about bow hunters in particular, um, and

1027
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: take a drink of water. There. That's the something that

1028
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: I that I certainly have fallen into. I had a

1029
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: really bad season a couple of years ago, um, you know,

1030
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: and I, uh, you and I have talked about it before, um,

1031
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: which I shot a couple of deer and and lost them,

1032
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: and uh you know that's that's you know, it's a

1033
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: reality for hunting with anything, I mean, gun or bow. Um.

1034
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, every now and then you're gonna shoot a

1035
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: deer and might recover it, and man, it just sucks. Um.

1036
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: And but where I made the mistake a few years

1037
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: ago was rather than learn from it and recover from

1038
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: it and move on and let it get into my head.

1039
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: And what happens when you mess up. You're gonna mess

1040
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: up on some deer when you're hunting with a bow.

1041
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. Whether you miss him

1042
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: or don't get a shot or spook them when you're

1043
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: drawing back, or or hit him and don't find them.

1044
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: You you have to recover from those mistakes and not

1045
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: let it get into your head. And you have to

1046
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: remember at that moment of truth, man, this is the

1047
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: game of inches and you have to settle that pin.

1048
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: And and so for me, the takeaway less and then

1049
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: all of that was. You know, I'm a pretty good

1050
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: shot with a bow. Um, I'd probably shoot more than

1051
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: the average bow hunter. And I'm you know, constantly tweaking

1052
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: on my equipment and working on my equipment, and you know,

1053
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: as part of my role at field and stream, you know,

1054
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: I do a lot of gear testing and so you

1055
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: know I love to shoot long range. Here in the backyard,

1056
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I practice you know, out to nine yards pretty often.

1057
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: And um, you know, there for a while I kind

1058
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: of had in my head, Man, I can kill a

1059
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: deer at fifty yards and some people can. Um. But

1060
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: the fact is, uh, you are probably at about of

1061
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: your efficiency. Uh. You know, when you're shooting at a

1062
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: deer compared to shooting at a target. Um, that adrenaline

1063
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: just does crazy thanks to you. And it's not only

1064
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: the adrenaline. It's the shooting stances that you find yourself

1065
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: in out in the woods, whether you're sitting on a

1066
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: ground blind stool or up in a stand. You know

1067
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: your turn funny, it's getting dark. Uh you know, the

1068
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: angles are sharp, and man, that adrenaline is just raging

1069
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: and it it messes you up. And so you know,

1070
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: I I kind of took a step back last year

1071
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: in particular, and I'm like, you know what, Um, I'm

1072
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: not shooting at a deer with a bow anymore unless

1073
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: he's thirty yards are closer. And man, it didn't cost

1074
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: me really any opportunities at all last year, and uh

1075
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: just you know, just made the deer that I you

1076
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: know that I did take a shot at. I knew

1077
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna kill him and I did. And that, um,

1078
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's something that uh and I

1079
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: won't say every bow hunter needs to needs to do

1080
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: a better job at it, but it was something that I,

1081
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of needed that reality check for

1082
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: myself that you know, hey, we're we're both hunting out

1083
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: here to get close to him. And uh that's uh,

1084
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: that's what I needed to do a better job of.

1085
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: And you know, make sure that when that moment of

1086
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: truth comes that I that I make the very best

1087
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: shot that I can and if I have any downs,

1088
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: just don't shoot. Let him go and you're probably gonna

1089
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: get another chance at him. Yeah, that's that's such a

1090
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: great kind of message because, especially today in the hunting

1091
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: media and stuff, we see so many people taking super

1092
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: long shots me with a rifle or with the bow. Um.

1093
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: And you know, in some case, at least in the

1094
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: cases that you see on TV, they make the shot.

1095
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: And I think it gives the impression to a lot

1096
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: of folks on the other end of the TV watching

1097
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: that you know, I should be able to do that too.

1098
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: And even if you are a terrific long range shot

1099
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: on the range, just like you said, well, things are

1100
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: different out in the field, and I think, uh gosh,

1101
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: it's it's always better to air on the conservative side

1102
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: because you're you know, this is a this is a

1103
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: living animal. UM. I wouldn't want to take um, you know,

1104
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: take too many chances with that with that kind of responsibility.

1105
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: But well, here's what you don't see on TV. You

1106
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: don't see you see the tears those guys kill. You

1107
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: don't see the ones that that they shoot at from

1108
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: sixty yards that they hit my hands and then get away.

1109
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: Here the ones that they miss. Um, and Buddy, I'm

1110
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: here to tell you. I've worked in the hunting business

1111
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: a long time, been around a lot of TV folks,

1112
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: and I should say, uh, and good friends with a

1113
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of those guys. And I don't mean to just

1114
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: disparage the TV guys, but what I am getting at is, uh,

1115
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: they have the uh uh you know, the luxury of

1116
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: of not showing what they don't want to show. Um.

1117
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: And you know, things happened to them, just like that

1118
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: happened to you and me. And you know, yeah, you

1119
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: take four or sixty yard shouts to the deer, you're

1120
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: probably gonna kill one of them. But what happens on

1121
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: those other three exactly? Yeah, to this point and this

1122
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: is actually I know You've got to run here in

1123
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, and I've got one last question

1124
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: for you, and it ties in very nicely with what

1125
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: we just mentioned here. Um, you know, writing for Field

1126
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: and Stream, now being an editor at Field and Stream,

1127
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: which is one of the absolute largest brands within the

1128
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: hunting world and representatives of the hunting world to the

1129
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: rest of the public. Um, I think, you know, whether

1130
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: it be Field and Stream or anyone in the outdoor

1131
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: media or really any hunter, any average guy or girl

1132
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: hunter out there, we all represent hunting to the non

1133
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: hunting public. Um. I guess I'm curious about what your

1134
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: thoughts are though on how we're doing as the media

1135
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: in representing what hunting is, what we do and you

1136
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: know your perception that the non hunting public has of that,

1137
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: are we doing a good job? Do things need to

1138
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: change from your perspective with Field and Stream, where do

1139
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: we need to go in hunting media? And then as

1140
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: average hunters what can we do differently too? You know,

1141
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: I think the hunting media is doing a doing a

1142
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: pretty decent job, you know. You you look you know,

1143
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that just to just to toot

1144
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: my own horn or to your horn, but um, you

1145
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: know the I think there there is a you know,

1146
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: a pretty strong you know, conservation and family focus and

1147
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: a focus on getting new people into the woods throughout

1148
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: the hunting media. You see it mentioned all the time

1149
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: on the TV shows, uh, you know, in the magazine

1150
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: things like that. Um, you look at uh you know,

1151
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: you you you look at the rate of female hunters

1152
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: in the woods, for example, it's higher than it's ever been.

1153
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's any coincidence at all that you've

1154
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: had some really good role model like you know, Tiffany

1155
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Lakowski and Melissa Bachmann and and folks like that who

1156
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: have done a really good job at making huntings seem

1157
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: accessible to to the ladies who would really like to

1158
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: try it and maybe they never have tried it, and

1159
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, I think on that point we

1160
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: have done a pretty good job. Um. I think you know,

1161
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of years ago we might have gotten

1162
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: a little bit nutty with some of the big buck

1163
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: craze and that's probably uh fueled some things that aren't

1164
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: so healthy to the long term uh, you know, to

1165
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: the long term health of of deer hunting and and

1166
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: really all kinds of hunting. Uh. You know, when when

1167
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: the focus becomes more on the antlers than than on

1168
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: putting backstrap on your table. Um, to the average non hunter,

1169
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: that's not cool. Um. And you know, I think we

1170
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: need to be cognitive cognizant of That doesn't mean going

1171
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: out and killing every little buck you see, but it's

1172
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: just it's just something we need to think about. You know,

1173
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: whenever we're focused so much on on score and and

1174
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: the age of a door and things like that, you know,

1175
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: we need to remember that. You know, if a guy

1176
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: shoots a deer, it's because that deer came out and

1177
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: he was excited about it and he wanted to fill

1178
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: his tag and s wanted it's his tag, and he

1179
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: did it legally. It's really not anybody else's business, you

1180
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. UM, Now, so far as you

1181
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: know hunters in particular, you know, just kind of everyday hunters. UM.

1182
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: I'll tie that into social media a little bit and

1183
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: kind of get on my soapbox. Man. I think that

1184
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: is the biggest I think that is the biggest threat

1185
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: facing hunting right now. Um. The environment that um that

1186
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: hunters have kind of created online, uh, toward one another.

1187
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: So often it's just men, it's just toxic. Um. You

1188
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: look at uh, you know, for for Field and Stream,

1189
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: or whenever I was working for Realtrey, post a story

1190
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: of a of a hunter that's been successful and killed

1191
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: a good deer. UM posted the huntline. We do a

1192
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: story about it, and they you know, they're excited about it,

1193
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: and and just immediately the people pile onto him saying

1194
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well they shot it with a crossbow

1195
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: and that's not really hunting. Or they shot it over

1196
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: bait and that's not really hunting, or they shot it

1197
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: in a high fence and not knowing whether or not

1198
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: they shot it in a high fence. And I'll say,

1199
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: for the record, I don't think shooting a deer in

1200
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: high fence is really hunting. But a lot of people

1201
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: just assume that if real trees sharing it, or the

1202
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: field and streams sharing it, and it's a big buck

1203
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: that people shot it in the high fence. And hunters

1204
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: have just gotten to the point, not all of them,

1205
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of them. They've just gotten to the

1206
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: point where they're just mean to each other online and

1207
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: that has to stop, because man, that is not doing

1208
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: anybody any good. And um, you know, it's just you

1209
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: hear the word in fighting a lot um and and

1210
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: people say, oh, we've got to do something about this,

1211
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: We've got to stop the infighting, and you can write

1212
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: about it until you're blue in the face, and yet

1213
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't stop. So you know, I I will continue

1214
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: to call people out on that and and say that

1215
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: that is a big problem. Um And I think that's

1216
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: probably as symptomatic of our of our social media culture,

1217
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, just as a nation as it is just hunters.

1218
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: But man, it's one of those things we've got to

1219
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: get a handle on because it's a real problem, so true,

1220
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: and social media really, like you said, it's it's such

1221
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: an enabler for you know, these types of behaviors that

1222
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: probably were there always within the hunting culture or our

1223
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: entire United States culture, I suppose. But once you have

1224
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: this tool to put stuff out there online anonymously or

1225
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: without having to be face to face to someone, very quickly,

1226
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: things conspiral into a pretty negative place. Yep, yep. Absolutely. Well, well,

1227
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: I know you've got to hit the road, so I

1228
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: just want to thank you so much for taking the

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00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: time to join us here, and I guess before it

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00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: lets you go really quickly, is there anything that our

1231
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: listeners should be keeping an eye out for from field

1232
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: and stream or coming up on the website that you

1233
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: want to direct them to or or to take a

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00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: look at soon. Yeah, Man, our subscription renewal notices, keep

1235
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: an eye out for those and renews keep me in

1236
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: the job. Perfect good advice. Now, man, we've got some

1237
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: awesome stuff coming up. I'm working on a I'm working

1238
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: on a big land management feature right now for August.

1239
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm late. Um, you gotta

1240
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: get that thing turned in. But he interviewed some guys like,

1241
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: uh all, I don't know some guys you probably have

1242
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: heard of them before, Eric Long and Craig Harper. Those

1243
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: guys know a little bit about growing food plots and stuff.

1244
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I I get to talking to them,

1245
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: they tell me, tell me about you know, everything that

1246
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: I thought I knew that I really didn't. So um,

1247
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, we've we've got we've got some

1248
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: cool stuff coming up. Um you know it just uh

1249
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Field and stream staff and and outdoor Life. Uh you

1250
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: know their their staff too. I mean really, um, you

1251
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: know across the board, the editors, the the the designers

1252
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: are our team and uh and our freelance contributors. Man,

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm always just amazed that, you know, you think, year

1254
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: after year, like what else is there to be said

1255
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 1: about deer hunting or catching a bass on the top

1256
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: water plug? And and some how we find it and

1257
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, make cool stuff out of it and tell

1258
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: good stories. And uh, I continue to be proud of

1259
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: working with that team. And yeah, we we've got some

1260
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: good stuff coming out this fall, so so yeah, like

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01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: I said, renew those subscriptions you can be sure to

1262
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: see it perfect Well. I've been a lifelong subscriber myself,

1263
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: and I'll be keeping it going because, like you said,

1264
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: you guys are doing terrific work and uh man, I

1265
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. So everyone listening, make sure you do

1266
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: get those subscriptions in and subscribe to Outdoor Life too.

1267
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: You'll see some stuff from me coming up here soon too.

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: So well, thank you so much and good luck this

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: summer and fall. All right, mark you too, Butty we'll

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Speaker 1: talk sing thanks a lot, bye bye all right, and

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Speaker 1: with that we'll wrap things up a few quick reminders

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Speaker 1: before we go though. First, like I mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 1: be sure to check out One Wild, our new podcast. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't yet, could you take a quick second

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Speaker 1: to leave us a rating or review on iTunes. It

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Speaker 1: would mean a ton and it helps a lot, so

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Speaker 1: thank you to those who already have done that. And

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Speaker 1: we also need to thank our partners who helped make

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Speaker 1: this podcast possible, so big, thank you too. Sick a

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Speaker 1: carbon express, maybe an optics in the White Tailed Institute

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Speaker 1: of North America. And finally, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, and I hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: chat with Will as much as I did. And until

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Speaker 1: next time, to stay wired to Hunt.