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Speaker 1: The Herd. Our number three. I'm sorry, our number two

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Speaker 1: of a three hour tour. He's going so fast, Jay Mack. Then, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was our number three. It is our

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Speaker 1: number two. I'm Chris Brussarry, He's Jason McIntire. We're in

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Speaker 1: for Kylin Cowherd, who is on his way somewhere. I

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Speaker 1: guess Jay mcnare about to enjoy a long weekend, so

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Speaker 1: good for him. I hope he has the ball, and

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Speaker 1: that's our man, so we're honored to be filling in

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Speaker 1: for him live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, and

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Speaker 1: we are having a ball. All right, let's go to

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Speaker 1: football for a moment. Jay Mack, you brought up with

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Speaker 1: our in our interview last hour with Eve from Salon

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Speaker 1: that it's been a rough few weeks for Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: and let me recap, and you kind of dismissed it

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Speaker 1: as what a network a TV show pole or what

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Speaker 1: was it? Was that wrong? I'm about this, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: were wrong, because a TV show poll would presumably be

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Speaker 1: a poll of fans, a pole maybe of media, a

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Speaker 1: This was a pole of fifty plus executives in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, scouts and players in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's peers, and they did not have him in

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Speaker 1: the top ten of quarterbacks. All right, I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: Travesty should have been ahead of Dak Prescott, should have

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Speaker 1: on the football field in over a year. All right,

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Speaker 1: But there was that, And then I was stunned to

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Speaker 1: see Lamar Jackson get challenged on Twitter the way he

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Speaker 1: did from Bernard Pilot. Now, Bernard Pilot was no Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer pro bowler. He was a hard hitter, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was a hard hitter, and he was a good player.

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Speaker 1: He started for the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So he's not some chump, right, but still I was

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Speaker 1: surprised because usually players and even former players defend Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: even if inside they may feel like, Okay, he does

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Speaker 1: have his deficiencies this and that people go out of

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Speaker 1: their way to praise him, all right and defend him.

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Speaker 1: And so for Bernard Powler to go at it, it

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Speaker 1: he said, jay Mack was that he's got to be

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Speaker 1: better thrown from the pocket, and you know, he didn't

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Speaker 1: potentially injury, and so they need to be talking about

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Speaker 1: him staying in the pocket and being more of a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote traditional quarterback. And he then throughout you mentioned

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Speaker 1: earlier when we're talking to eat him, they got to

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Speaker 1: get him some top flight receivers. Well, they've tried, and

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Speaker 1: I get it. They haven't gone. They haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to good receivers and they've been turned down. Okay, because

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Stefan Diggs worked Wonders for Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: And so this is my this is my question because

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Speaker 1: Usually they've defended him. Don't compare an ex professional athlete

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Speaker 1: not the same when you're about sports. Let's just keep

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Speaker 1: Jay mcni as, Some of the shine or the shine

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Speaker 1: shine is not off. If anything, he's ascending. The guy's

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Speaker 1: twenty four years old. Let me just remind the unwashed

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Speaker 1: Jackson started halfway through his rookie year, end up getting

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Speaker 1: By the way, Lamar Jackson has never been injured running

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Speaker 1: because because of the injuries, and that's how he suffered

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Speaker 1: If anything, it's a positive. I don't think I would

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Speaker 1: became the highest bade quarterback ever and it's bad business.

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Speaker 1: And now they're sitting on the most expensive backup in NFL. Well,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen deserves. Josh Allen has done a lot. He's

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Speaker 1: an MVP contender. He's right here with Lamar Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Have you looked at the odds? The Bills are the

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Speaker 1: undeniable that, so he's worth more than Lamar Jackson. Number two.

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Speaker 1: He's not Patrick Mahomes. We don't even need to go

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Speaker 1: into that. Dak Prescott is the guy who really uh

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Speaker 1: makes my blood bubble. This guy has at the same

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Speaker 1: a good, not great quarterback. Lamar Jackson if you look

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Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson is a top ten quarterback undeniably. This

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Speaker 1: He's not Patrick Mahomes. He's never gonna be, but good

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Speaker 1: pay him at least Dak Prescott money. I would say more,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson should have been on that top ten list.

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Speaker 1: I think he has been great. But when you say

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Speaker 1: don't think his style of play puts him in harm's

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Speaker 1: He's done a great job of eluding the big hits

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Speaker 1: he's twice as big as he was a battering Ram. Dude,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is not a battering Ram. No he's not.

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Speaker 1: But he's also not nearly as big as Cam. Fair enough,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason we haven't seen running quarterbacks. State volution

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, he's sliding all the time. Josh Wilson again,

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Speaker 1: much bigger than Lamar. And this is so that's all

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's why Pilot and I'm not endorsing everything

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Speaker 1: he said because I thought he was crazy on some

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Speaker 1: of his comments. But Lamar does they have to throw

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Speaker 1: of Colin Kaepernick comes in takes the league by storm.

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, I knew you. I still have visions he

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Speaker 1: sprinting it. I'm a gambling guy for Fox, but I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget Kaepernick torching Green Bay in the playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: think back to back years and it was like, holy cow,

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is the future kind of quarterback in this league.

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Speaker 1: You remember Bill Polian, former Colts GM went on and

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Speaker 1: the best. Now, Yeah, he's a little guy that hurls

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Speaker 1: himself into lane so he gets hurt, right, But even that,

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Speaker 1: you expect him to play whatever, sixty some odd games,

423
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Speaker 1: sixty five games? Right? I think model citizens for Kyrie

424
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: and every players different. Model citizens for him is when

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, assuming he misses what a fifteen sixteen seventeen

426
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Speaker 1: games due to injury, that he goes out and plays right,

427
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Speaker 1: and that he doesn't stir up any trouble. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all you're answering, right, A gun to your head.

429
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvy are

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Speaker 1: back with the Nets next season? I believe both of

431
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Speaker 1: I do believe both of them. The way we're trending,

432
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Speaker 1: I think they're both in camp. How long that laughs?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, bro, if they if they come in,

434
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Speaker 1: what do you think, Kate? We asked you about Kyrie's

435
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Speaker 1: attitude if he comes back. What do you think Kyd's

436
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Speaker 1: attitude will be if it start of the season he's

437
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Speaker 1: with the Nets. I don't think k D has it

438
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Speaker 1: in his DNA to just put his feet up and

439
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Speaker 1: not play. Yeah, I don't think he's built that way.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen it from some guys. We saw

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Speaker 1: we saw the way hard and acted to get what

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Speaker 1: he wanted. We saw the way of Ben Simmons acted

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Speaker 1: to get what he wanted. I don't think KADD has

444
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Speaker 1: it in And I just said, like ten minutes ago,

445
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Speaker 1: I don't want to try to judge within another man's heart,

446
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Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna turn around and do it. But

447
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he's built that way. Right, So I

448
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna come out. He's gonna practice. If he's

449
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Speaker 1: still on this roster some training camp, I think he

450
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Speaker 1: will come out. He'll practice when he's time to play,

451
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Speaker 1: He'll play hard. He will not be interested in load management.

452
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Speaker 1: He won't be randomly taking days off for weeks off.

453
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Speaker 1: This is not him. Yeah. Now that doesn't mean that

454
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Speaker 1: he made not still at that point want to get traded.

455
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Speaker 1: He should, right if he just says I don't like

456
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Speaker 1: the vibe here. I don't like the environment. I've lost

457
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Speaker 1: faith and what have you. Yeah, it could happen, Brian,

458
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna sit and hold one quick

459
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Speaker 1: one on the Steve Nash relationship with Kyrie. I told

460
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Speaker 1: the story on my podcast how Kyrie invited Steve Nash

461
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Speaker 1: to his house after he was announced as Nash as

462
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Speaker 1: a coach, and Kyrie basically refused to answer the door

463
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Speaker 1: for like twenty five minutes. Nash was stuck in the

464
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Speaker 1: rain as Kyrie basically sending a message, hey man, I'm

465
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Speaker 1: running the show here. Eventually, you know, he had his

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Speaker 1: housekeeper or whatever let him in. But their relationship has

467
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Speaker 1: not gone well. We saw after the season when they

468
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Speaker 1: were swept. Kyrie said, yeah, Kevin and I will sit

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Speaker 1: down with the GM and the owner and we'll talk

470
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Speaker 1: about what's going on. Like the disrespect level to Nash

471
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Speaker 1: is not good. Can the Nets in good faith bring

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Speaker 1: back Kyrie and Kevin Durant to work with Steve Nash.

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Speaker 1: I think they can only for one reason. Steve Nash

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Speaker 1: is a uniquely positive, easygoing person. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of coaches that I don't think it would work with

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Speaker 1: at all. By that, I don't even mean level of success.

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Speaker 1: I mean a number of coaching would have said, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: this is not working. One of us is leaving. Right,

479
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Speaker 1: you make up your mind which one of us is

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Speaker 1: going out the door? Right? There are a number of

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Speaker 1: coaches that would respond that way. I think Steves is

482
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Speaker 1: as positive a guy as you could ever want to be, right.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy make Little or Fananie look depressed. Right,

484
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. And that's one that's

485
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Speaker 1: one reason why he seems to be able to at

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Speaker 1: least shandle coaching in this environment. Now you can sit

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Speaker 1: there and argue his endgames and his system. That's a

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Speaker 1: whole separate issue. That's that's for another conversation. Probably we

489
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Speaker 1: can carry on about it. I do think they can,

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Speaker 1: But I do think the NETS as an organization wants

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Speaker 1: to see some changes. And I don't know at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. You know, Kyrie's not twenty one. I

493
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Speaker 1: mean he's not old, but I mean he's pretty much

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Speaker 1: a developed player. I think you probably know what you're

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Speaker 1: going to get. And that's why there was no five

496
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Speaker 1: year deal. That's why there was no four year deal,

497
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Speaker 1: all right, because you can't man that's our man, Brian Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, brother. Hey, have fun chasing this down the

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Speaker 1: rest of the summer. Love it. It's got my ulcer

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Speaker 1: working as Brian Lewis New York Post Brooklyn Nets beat writer.

501
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Speaker 1: Great stuff brother. Have a good weekend. All right, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, here's Ryan Music with the news.

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Speaker 1: Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's keep it rolling here in the NBA. Jason,

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Speaker 1: I think you made a little quick reference to this

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Speaker 1: before we brought on Brian. Lakers owner Jeanie Buss made

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Speaker 1: some waves a couple weeks ago when she tweeted, I

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Speaker 1: miss KB. He would understand and explain everything that I'm

509
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: not allowed to. Honestly, he was the greatest liker ever.

510
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: He understood team of herself, meaning you your rewards would come.

511
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: If you valued goals over your own, then everything would

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Speaker 1: fall into place. All can reply. The interpretation by most

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Speaker 1: was yes, Chris, this was in reference to Lebron James

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Speaker 1: his leadership of the Lakers, or maybe that they would

515
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Speaker 1: be potentially bringing in Kyrie Irving in the near future. Well,

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Speaker 1: she's pushing back against that notion, telling NBA Dot com No,

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Speaker 1: it was my heart full of sadness. You look to

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Speaker 1: people surrounding you that feel the same way to commiserate.

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Speaker 1: That's all it was. It wasn't intended at anything other

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Speaker 1: than I had sorrow in my heart and I was

521
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Speaker 1: trying to lighten my load. In the larger context of

522
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Speaker 1: this conversation, she was making reference to an upcoming series

523
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Speaker 1: about the Lakers on Hulu and it's surfacing memories of

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Speaker 1: Kobe and just how much she misses him. Chris, you're

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Speaker 1: buying this explanation. No, And I like Jeanie. She is

526
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: a really nice person. But if it's just about Kobe

527
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Speaker 1: and you missing him, he was in the franchise of

528
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Speaker 1: twenty years, you knew him well, you had a personal

529
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Speaker 1: relationship with him after that many years. Talk about that.

530
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Speaker 1: Talk about Kobe the person, talk about Kobe the dad,

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Speaker 1: talk about what you miss about him as far as

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Speaker 1: his personality or whatever it may be. Don't bring in

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Speaker 1: the Lakers. I mean, you don't need to bring in

534
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Speaker 1: the Lakers and what's going on right now if you're

535
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Speaker 1: just releasing about missing Kobe Bryant. And so that's why

536
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Speaker 1: I don't buy it, Because she tied it in to

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the Lakers right now. Yeah, it's

538
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Speaker 1: a risky move on her part because you know, she's

539
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: not as social media savvy as a guy like Lebron,

540
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: and you start trying to play these games with Lebron,

541
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: it's a little out of her depth. I will just say, Chris,

542
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Speaker 1: I'm not that excited about the Hulu series, but I

543
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: did love, love, love the HBO series on the Lakers. Yeah,

544
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: Winning Time was incredible because guess what, the Lakers didn't

545
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: have final say on it, so we got to hear

546
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: like real stuff, even if it's time, if it was

547
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: hollywooded up, I don't even know if that's a phrase,

548
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Yes, yes, it was entertaining.

549
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: I gotta admit. I know my man Jerry West didn't

550
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: like it. You know, you've watched the whole thing. And

551
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Speaker 1: obviously I have never seen that side of Jerry West.

552
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him many times, many times, never seen

553
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: him act like that. But I thought as it went on,

554
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they the depiction got better, but I get

555
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: why he was upset. But the bottom line, it was

556
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: very entertaining, There's no doubt about it, and I'm actually

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Speaker 1: looking forward to season two. Is that happening for sure?

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Speaker 1: I believe so, Okay, don't. The only thing I heard

559
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: was if it's about Kobe Shack, there's a certain person

560
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: who's gonna try to squash the Kobe angle in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, you cannot understandable. I don't know if

562
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Speaker 1: it'll go that far. I think it'll stay with the

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Speaker 1: Showtime era. Oh okay, yeah, the Hulu one is I

564
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Speaker 1: think going into all that right wow? All right? Yeah,

565
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: but or at least that era. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it'll get into that, but that era with Kobe and Shack.

567
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Speaker 1: But I believe winning time. If there is a second season,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll still be the Showtime era, not Kobe Shack.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll wrap it up here. One

570
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Speaker 1: more NBA story. It looks like the Sons will be

571
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Speaker 1: keeping their big man, DeAndre Ayton, who's been constantly mentioned

572
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: in a potential sign and trade involving Kevin Durant, who

573
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: had the Sons on his list of teams he would

574
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Speaker 1: play for. But the Pacers proposed a one hundred and

575
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Speaker 1: thirty thirty million dollar contract over four years to the

576
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Speaker 1: restricted free age, which means the Suns have the ability

577
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Speaker 1: to match, and it's been reported they will in order

578
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Speaker 1: to retain Eton as a part of their core going forward.

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Speaker 1: Jason right moved by the Suns here. Oh, this is

580
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: a tough one. This is like a thirty minute discussion.

581
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Speaker 1: The Suns did not want DeAndre Ayton, that's very clear. Right.

582
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Speaker 1: They had two chances to offer him contracts. They refused

583
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: both times, and only because they were absolutely forced to.

584
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Speaker 1: Because they lose him for nothing. The Sons are gonna

585
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Speaker 1: pay him for for one thirty three they didn't have.

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Speaker 1: They had to match it. I know they didn't want to,

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00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: but they had to. Does that make sense? Ryan? Sure?

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Speaker 1: I mean I get what you're saying. They had to

589
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: because he's an asset. Yeah, you can't lose a guy.

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00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: You took number one before Luca Dante's for nothing after

591
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: what four years? Three years? You can't do that. Yeah. Look,

592
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Speaker 1: I actually like the move. Now they're gonna have to

593
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: smooth some things over. Obviously he's gonna be upset because

594
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the feeling is that they didn't want him, or at

595
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: least they didn't want him at this type of money.

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00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And look, Robert Sarver. Their owner has

597
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: been cheap. There's no doubt about that. Over the years,

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00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: he's been known as one of the cheapest owners, if

599
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Speaker 1: not the cheapest, in the NBA. And so, yeah, he

600
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Speaker 1: didn't want to max out DeAndre eight, which is tough

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Speaker 1: to do in today's NBA with most centers. Obviously, Ebid

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Speaker 1: and Yokis are different animals, but outside of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to max out of center. But I do

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Speaker 1: think for their basketball team, like keeping it strictly basketball,

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Speaker 1: I think there's still a contender now. Obviously I like

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Speaker 1: Golden Stay better than them. I like the Clippers better

607
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: than them. You can argue Dallas, maybe Memphis will be

608
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: better than them, but I do still think they're in

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Speaker 1: the mix in the West. I don't think that would

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Speaker 1: have been the case without DeAndre eight. He's a seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You can throw Denver in there. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they're better, they're in, they're in that range. The disrespect

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Speaker 1: they haven't. They got what they got swept in the

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Speaker 1: first round. You said, you just say Murray report. You

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00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: can't say they had the team together. They took down

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Speaker 1: playoff pe and they got swept. So yeah, they'll be

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Speaker 1: in the mix, but I'm not about to say they're

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Speaker 1: one of the top two contenders out West. So I

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Speaker 1: think DeAndre eight and seventeen points, ten rebounds, decent touch

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Speaker 1: on his jumper. Don't have to run a lot of

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Speaker 1: players for him to bag down your offense. He's still

622
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: gonna give you those numbers. I think they need him,

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Speaker 1: and so I think it's a good it's a good

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Speaker 1: signing for them, and they did get him for a

625
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: little less money than they wanted to. Ryan. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the news and the herdline news, all right. I don't

627
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: know if Tony Romo is a big believer in Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: I got my doubts. We'll get into that next. It's Chris,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Hard and Jason McIntyre in for Colin. This is

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Speaker 1: get your podcast. All right, Welcome back to the Herd.

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Speaker 1: Chris brus Art and Jason McIntire in for Kylin. We're

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Speaker 1: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: step into the NFL for a moment. Tony Romo, former

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys quarterback, was talking about the Cowboys recently and

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Speaker 1: he says some controversial stuff here. He is, you're seeing

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Speaker 1: just a little bit of change start to happen. So

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Speaker 1: I think you'll see a shift in philosophy a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The identity might change and get back toward the sixteen

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Speaker 1: ish seventeen eighteen season. But I still think Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 1: going to have a fantastic here. I think he's showing

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Speaker 1: he's more than capable of playing great football consistently throughout

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Speaker 1: a year. And I just think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little different, you know, because the weapons won't be quite

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Speaker 1: as dynamic. They'll still be very good. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that you'll see teams play them just a little

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Speaker 1: bit differently. All right, Jay Mac your thoughts. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's saying that he expects them to go back

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Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen seventeen. That's when they were a run

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Speaker 1: first offense and Ezekiel Elliott was one of the best

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Speaker 1: running backs in the league. Is that a shot at Dak?

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Speaker 1: He tried to clean it up a little bit with

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Speaker 1: some complimentary talk. But what do you think You're always

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Speaker 1: looking for people to stir up troumple. No, I'm just

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Speaker 1: asking it. I mean, I know how you rock, man,

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Speaker 1: That's not how I rock. I listen. Dak Prescott, I

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Speaker 1: believe was a rookie in twenty sixteen and they wanted

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Speaker 1: to be safe with the mid round pick ushered in

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Speaker 1: as the injury replacement for Romo, and it was the

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Speaker 1: ground of pound worked when you've got the great offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I believe they have two new starting offensive linemen. They

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Speaker 1: lost to Marie Cooper on the outside. The word is

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallop will not be ready until at least Halloween

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Speaker 1: coming off the surgery, So they're gonna go into Week one.

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Speaker 1: It looks like with Ceedee Lamb as the number one receiver,

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Speaker 1: and the number two receiver looks like it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a rookie named Jalen Tolbert, a twitchy guy out

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Speaker 1: of Southern Alabama or South Alabama. He's good, but those

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Speaker 1: aren't the weapons that Dak Prescott got to being a

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Speaker 1: top fifteen quarterback with. And as for Ezekiel Elliott, I

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Speaker 1: mean this fact is, I don't know how else how

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Speaker 1: could positively spin this. Ezekiel Elliott's rushing yards have dipped

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Speaker 1: each year as a pro. He's steadily declined every single season.

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Speaker 1: He offers like fifty eight yards a game last year.

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Speaker 1: You know the bounce isn't there. I personally think Tony

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Speaker 1: Pollard is a better back right now than Zeke Elliott.

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Speaker 1: It's not a knock on Zeke. It's just reality, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Look at his numbers. The numbers don't lie. Okay, he

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Speaker 1: is just not what he was when they had the

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Speaker 1: best offensive line in football. I think Dallas takes a

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Speaker 1: big step back. I might be betting the Eagles and Giants,

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Speaker 1: depending on the odds, to win the division. That I'm

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Speaker 1: betting on the Giants coaches, not the talent, but the

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Speaker 1: coaches and the rebound from injuries. I love their defensive cordator.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Bill Parcels are coaching them well. Their

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Speaker 1: coach McAdoo was a total, I mean, just disaster. Judge.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, judge, Judge McAdoo was before that, Judge was horrible.

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Speaker 1: But I just I think the Giants had a lot

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Speaker 1: of injuries last year. If they can get healthy. I

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Speaker 1: really like Dave Bole coming over from Buffalo. I think

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Speaker 1: they've got a small chance. That division is not great,

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Speaker 1: like nine or ten wins is gonna win that division

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Speaker 1: all right. I don't think Dallas steps back nearly as

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Speaker 1: far as you do. It is a horrible division, and

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Speaker 1: I think that helps them out Now. Obviously, Ezekiel Elliott

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Speaker 1: is not what he used to be, and I actually

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Speaker 1: am with you in that they need to get the

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Speaker 1: ball to Tony Pollard more, which I think they will.

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Speaker 1: The question for them has always been can he handle

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Speaker 1: a steady diet of rushing to football, you know, or

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Speaker 1: will he get injured? I want to see if I'm

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I'm not saying your bench, Ezekiel, but

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Speaker 1: maybe it's more fifty fifty than what it has been

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Speaker 1: with Zeke being that number one guy. They are not

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Speaker 1: built right now to run it like they used to

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Speaker 1: unless these two can, you know, be a one two

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Speaker 1: punch and they can both share the load. But in general,

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Speaker 1: I do like this philosophy. And I've been a long

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Speaker 1: time Dak fan j Max from the time he stept

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Speaker 1: in the league. I thought he reminded me of a

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I thought a little lesser version of a

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But as much as I've liked him, because

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Speaker 1: I've liked this intangibles, I think he's a leader. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a winner. I think he can galvanize the

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Speaker 1: locker room. He's not an Aaron Rodgers type quarterback. He's

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Speaker 1: not a guy you just put on your shoulders or

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Speaker 1: you you put he will put you on his shoulders

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Speaker 1: and carry you with his arm. And Dallas is forgotten

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Speaker 1: that all this talk remember last year or when you're

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Speaker 1: thrown for six thousand yards, did you study and analyze

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Speaker 1: the yards? Most of those huge games came when they

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Speaker 1: were down big and the defense went prevent and then

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Speaker 1: Dak brought him back with a bunch of yardage. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: won a couple, sometimes lost. That's not impressive to me.

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Speaker 1: Where were you when you were getting smashed in the

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Speaker 1: first half, digging the hole? Chris, let him be more

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Speaker 1: of a dynamic game manager who can throw it well

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Speaker 1: here and there, who can make plays with his arm.

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Speaker 1: I've always called Jack Dak a playmaker. Who are a

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Speaker 1: game manager who can make plays with his legs. By

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Speaker 1: that's where they need to get back. By definition, a

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Speaker 1: game manager is not dynamic. He is safe, that's what

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying he's a unique game manager. He is

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Speaker 1: a game manager who can make plays. He can make

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Speaker 1: plays here and there. Your typical game manager. You can

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Speaker 1: put a team on his back. When you watch said

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Speaker 1: he can't, said he cannot, I would say he cannot.

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Speaker 1: They've they've gotten the impression over the last few years

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Speaker 1: that day he can't put them on his back. He's

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Speaker 1: not that guy. But he is a guy game manager

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Speaker 1: who would need it, can make a big play with

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Speaker 1: his arm or his legs. That's what they need to

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Speaker 1: get back to. And we'll be back with an our left.

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Speaker 1: Jamack and Chris