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Speaker 1: Jaguars Reporters podcasts Ashland Sullivan, J P. Shadrick and John

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Speaker 1: Osier here with you this week a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: before the NFL Draft, gearing up for that, and that

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Speaker 1: media would never happen. Uh, we're living in in an

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Speaker 1: incredibly strange interactive time or something like this could happen

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Speaker 1: for whatever Jaguars Twitter specifically Twitter in general. Uh, for

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Speaker 1: ore toxic it can be. Sometimes this is an example

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Speaker 1: of how it's absolutely wonderful. So I guess they got

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Speaker 1: a toaster, so they got a vacuum cleaner, and then

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Speaker 1: the rest goes to a charity of Trevor Lawrence's choice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think, which is pretty cool. Man's seven Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: raised over As of twelve hours ago, they were over

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Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars. And it couldn't be more fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. What does a toaster not do? I guess it?

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Speaker 1: Better do everything? Of course, this will be in his

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Speaker 1: lovely home, and better pull the toast out and do

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Speaker 1: it better. Butter butter it with butter jelly after the

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Speaker 1: fact too, it would be walking my dog. Yes, overall

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Speaker 1: very cool and congrats to the newly wed. Congratulations, very

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Speaker 1: very cool. If he shows up here, I mean we

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Speaker 1: might you know now, we're just congratulating to be a

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Speaker 1: good guy. That would be a story. Do they take

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Speaker 1: the toaster back if if he's not? Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: the audacity and drama go on. John, Okay, Uh, mine's

447
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Speaker 1: not as fun, but I'm not as fun as Ashland.

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Speaker 1: That's a fact, makes sense. Uh. Second year players always

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Speaker 1: take a big jump, or they should take sometimes, and

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Speaker 1: this is a big time for that because it's the

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Speaker 1: off season where they usually get a chance to take

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Speaker 1: that big jump. So even though the off season really

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Speaker 1: hasn't begune and we don't know what it's gonna look, like,

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Speaker 1: who do we believe we'll take the biggest such second

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Speaker 1: year jump, Slynn, Who do you? And I'll be the

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Speaker 1: old interviewer where I'll rephrase the question what second year player,

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Speaker 1: meaning somebody who was a rookie last year slim would

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Speaker 1: would improve the most this year. Could be James Robinson,

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Speaker 1: could be any any of the rookies last year? Would

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Speaker 1: you like to list them all? I'm gonna go Caleb

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Speaker 1: and Jason. I'm going to go even further to say

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Speaker 1: I think he has to make a jump. I think

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Speaker 1: this was a guy that was very hyped up after

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Speaker 1: we drafted him. In an overall, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of to do with Josh Allen and how he played

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Speaker 1: last year, but I would like to see Calebon, especially

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Speaker 1: if they go to a three four hybrid kind of

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Speaker 1: back in three four right after Rid. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I expect Calebon Chason to make a huge jump this year.

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Speaker 1: And I think he has to give me a leavisca

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Speaker 1: tion al. And you know, I know he's banged up

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Speaker 1: a bunch last year and was in college too. That

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Speaker 1: was kind of his thing. He was beat up a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but that's just the way he plays. He's

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Speaker 1: a big body receiver, takes a lot of hits, doesn't

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Speaker 1: hit the ground a lot, by the way when he

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Speaker 1: takes those hits. So maybe this offseason. He got a

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Speaker 1: taste of it last year in his rookie year. How

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Speaker 1: physical the game is here in the NFL level, the

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Speaker 1: offseason priorities for him to keep his body in great

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Speaker 1: shape and all that, I think is is big to

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Speaker 1: really have an idea. So he didn't have that last

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Speaker 1: off season, and obviously they didn't have anything last off season.

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Speaker 1: He was a rookie anyway, So now he's had a

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Speaker 1: season of it. He has the off season to build

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Speaker 1: up and get ready. Uh, let's see if he's on

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Speaker 1: the field, if anybody's on the field, um in a

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Speaker 1: team capacity this year, I think that would help him some.

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Speaker 1: But it's more for me with him about the physical

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Speaker 1: part of the game. Can he get through the rigors

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Speaker 1: of a seven team game schedule now in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: because that was a big question for him coming in.

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Speaker 1: So I think for him it'll be big this year.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think it's gonna be Sinalt.

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Speaker 1: I will speak to Schlanz in that Chason does need

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Speaker 1: the jump and he also needs the off season the

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Speaker 1: same thing, because that him in the x is and

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Speaker 1: os on the field, how it works, it looks, how

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Speaker 1: it feels technically all that. Yeah, I didn't have any

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, eight or nine weeks or the four

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Speaker 1: weeks of just not being able to be on the

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Speaker 1: field with his hand in the ground. However they're going

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Speaker 1: to use him, Well, that wouldn't be three or four right,

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Speaker 1: I thought just said him back last year. Um, for

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Speaker 1: the purpose of this, since you guys both discussed those players, uh,

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Speaker 1: c J. Henderson needs to to I mean, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: he's good, if he's what he's supposed to be, their

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Speaker 1: corners are pretty good. If he's the inconsistent version we

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Speaker 1: saw at times last year, If he's not the number

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Speaker 1: nine overall pick in the draft, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the secondary looks and feels a lot different. I think

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Speaker 1: your confidence in the secondary, if you knew that he

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Speaker 1: was going to play to the level that he played

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Speaker 1: against the Colts in Week one and was number nine pick,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd be sitting there saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe one more piece at safety and I really love

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Speaker 1: this secondary. Not knowing about c J. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the Lynch Penzel to speak. I think he's the guy

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Speaker 1: that if if if he's good, they're good. If if

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Speaker 1: he's not, then I think they have some work to

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Speaker 1: do next offseason. I think he's gonna be good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that was pre injury, coming off a big injury,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Shaquille Griffin is going to be the

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Speaker 1: lockdown on one side. You're not worried about that, So

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Speaker 1: all your questions are with c J. Henderson at first.

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Speaker 1: I always I always felt like there was so much

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Speaker 1: pressure on c. J. Henderson, almost too much because look

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Speaker 1: at look at the group he was with, but Trey

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Speaker 1: Herndon and Sydney Jones and it was all right, well,

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Speaker 1: c J, you got to carry all of this. Now

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Speaker 1: is Shaquille Griffin on the other side, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be a weight off his shoulders. To have a guy

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Speaker 1: like that should should be. I think part of how

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Speaker 1: he handles that I think was interesting too. Above the shoulders, right.

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Speaker 1: I know he's banged up and has some things going on,

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Speaker 1: but the circumstances around him were not ideal, not at all.

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Speaker 1: But when are they ideal? It doesn't. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: it's life, you know, I mean sometimes you have to

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Speaker 1: battle through and I think that part of the game

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Speaker 1: for him, I think will be key moving forward. Can

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Speaker 1: he handle some adversity around him and how does he

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Speaker 1: respond to some of that because there was plenty of

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Speaker 1: adversity last year on those TU talk about a rookie year,

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Speaker 1: I think that would be interesting for a lot of

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Speaker 1: players ain't and Cam Robinson falls into that little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of players that I'll be interested this

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Speaker 1: year to see now that things are going in in

548
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Speaker 1: a different direction last year with one in fifteen, even

549
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Speaker 1: at the start of the year, you wondered sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, if if everybody was in lock Steton with

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Speaker 1: all the COVID stuff and with the you know, they

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: brought everybody back after six and ten, They're never it

553
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: never felt new, It never felt like there was energy.

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Speaker 1: Um So, now that things are going in a different

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Speaker 1: direction and it feels like everybody knows what they're supposed

556
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Speaker 1: to buy into, how much will that help some of

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Speaker 1: the players who were inconsistent. How much will it help

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Speaker 1: guys who uh weren't quite where you hope they would

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Speaker 1: be at. I think you'll see some guys improve because

560
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Speaker 1: everything around them is improving, there can be that sort

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Speaker 1: of snowball effect, and I wonder if guys like c

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Speaker 1: J and Cam won't benefit from that as well. For sure?

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Speaker 1: What you got? Okay, Well, you mentioned earlier that Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is not a big Instagram guy, but I know

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Speaker 1: one guy who is, Gardner Minshew. The second is a

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Speaker 1: big Instagram guy. He put out some photos I think

567
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Speaker 1: over the weekend with a brand new, well an updated

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Speaker 1: mullet haircut. So my question, and everyone asks, is would

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Speaker 1: you ever consider a mullet haircut? John? Uh, Well, I

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Speaker 1: lived through the days when mullet was a thing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm from where mullet is still a thing, but I

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Speaker 1: did not. I went ponytail five the inaugural season, I

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Speaker 1: celebrated with a ponytail, So that's as close as I

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Speaker 1: got to a mullet. I can't pull them allet off, Schlynn.

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Speaker 1: I could pull them all at off. My hair might

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Speaker 1: even look like a mullet this morning, it's an off

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Speaker 1: camera day. Lord knows, what you're getting does not look

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Speaker 1: anything closed now to a mullet. In the nineties, when

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Speaker 1: I started out the paper mullet was was more common

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Speaker 1: than not in that era. It was was it a

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Speaker 1: tight in front or in the front, party in the back? Right?

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Speaker 1: That was sort of the uh. And my cohort, Pete Prisco,

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Speaker 1: almost had a mullet. It wasn't quite a mullet, but

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a business in front, long in

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Speaker 1: the back. It was. There are photos high school. I

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Speaker 1: had long hair down but we couldn't have it passed

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Speaker 1: our collar because of school rule. It was a public

588
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Speaker 1: school rules and you can only have it down to there.

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Speaker 1: So I would have gone longer. But it was very thick.

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Speaker 1: And but I never thought about, you know, business in

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Speaker 1: the front, party in the back. I was just party everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Business in the front, party in the back. Maybe one

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00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: of the best lines, right, but you know there was

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Speaker 1: I'm from that air from right. There's that's just been.

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Speaker 1: That's you know certain places out there, and this is

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Speaker 1: what it is. So I guess the answer to the

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Speaker 1: question for you is would consider no? No, No, I

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Speaker 1: would not. You would not, I'm not. I'm I would.

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Speaker 1: I can't now I can't do much now we just

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Speaker 1: what hap what it is. I've kind of given up

601
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: the battle. It's over. The war is over in terms

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Speaker 1: of hair. Interesting tidbits is Gardner posted on his Instagram

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Speaker 1: asking who can handle this mullets and apparently he had

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Speaker 1: hundreds of hairdressers respond pick me, pick me to cut

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Speaker 1: your hair, and he went with a guy that cuts

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00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the Jaguar staff haircuts in Jacksonville Beach.

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: So we had the trust of like the equipment guys

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Speaker 1: and the trainers went that route. And now look at

609
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: him and he was like leaned up against like some

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00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: fence post open. It's all he needs now is like

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Speaker 1: a country music album like Terry Bradshaw or something. It

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Speaker 1: was something complete, the whole of something. Yeah, it's something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's something, all right, all right? And what better way

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Speaker 1: to end It's been with fas Jaguars Reporters Podcast States Soon,

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Speaker 1: New episode coming here soon in the next few weeks.

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