Speaker 1: Hey, it's Roy Wood Jr. We've got a little something
Speaker 1: different for you today. Now, you remember, before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: you could stand around a water cooler and talk to
Speaker 1: your co workers. We used to call it water cooler conversations,
Speaker 1: even though there was never really a water cooler there anyway.
Speaker 1: Two of my good friends, Daily Show correspondent Dulce Sloan
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Speaker 1: two people go back and forth the way. We get
Speaker 1: to hear it all the time in the hallway. The
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Speaker 1: to hold Up. I have now realized that a podcast
Speaker 1: hosted by two black people called hold up. It's a problem.
Speaker 1: It's a problem, but we already named it. This is
Speaker 1: this is five we can't do. First. Okay, first of all,
Speaker 1: it might be better because it's like, this is hold up.
Speaker 1: Like I hear what you're saying. I hear I feel
Speaker 1: I feel like hold up works though I think it
Speaker 1: gives people's attention. He man hold up. Yeah, it's like
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Speaker 1: Hold up, alright, hold up, all right, Well, if you
Speaker 1: heard that last part, you already know what the name
Speaker 1: of the show is. Welcome to hold up. It's me
Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, writer for The Daily Show, with my partner
Speaker 1: in conversations that go on way too long, duel say sloan,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be taking it to to the true edge,
Speaker 1: the brim of issues that don't matter at all to
Speaker 1: anybody but us, and we're gonna have it out. So
Speaker 1: you need to know ahead of time. This is what
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Speaker 1: all right. I don't want I don't want anybody listening
Speaker 1: in thinking wow, while they're getting heated. It's not heated.
Speaker 1: It's just the truth. It's what's happen. Sometimes when you're right,
Speaker 1: you have to let people know. And sometimes those people
Speaker 1: or some of your good friends, Okay, because like Josh,
Speaker 1: how many times and we've been like I think people
Speaker 1: would call it arguing, but for us, it's just a
Speaker 1: regular conversation, discussion, situation. People from far away definitely think
Speaker 1: it's arguing because I have a lot of like we'll
Speaker 1: get will give me a second to like, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of those stunted sentences, and those always sound
Speaker 1: like they going and argument. Really I'm just trying to think, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just like, okay, so hold up, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: so like you have that thought process, because it's like,
Speaker 1: there's so many times I've been talking in the office
Speaker 1: and somebody was like, y'all should do this as a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm like, i'mtt are you doing this for free? I'm
Speaker 1: already getting paid to be at work to talk to
Speaker 1: this man. I ain't been to do it on this
Speaker 1: white man's internet, not getting no points for it. So
Speaker 1: we out here being Josh talking about things only really
Speaker 1: well like we care about them, but I think like
Speaker 1: people as a whole care about them, I would hope.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Today, We're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: conscious hip hop versus club hits. Which one is better?
Speaker 1: And see, I think see we're already in a place
Speaker 1: that's wow because you can't say which one is better? Right,
Speaker 1: It's which one? Do you know? You can't listen? It's
Speaker 1: which one you prefer? Okay, it's like, which one do
Speaker 1: you prefer? Because I'm gonna say, because you have one
Speaker 1: that you think is like better, and I have one
Speaker 1: that I think is preferable to listen to. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: when we say better, what are the qualifications for that kind? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a good point because my thing is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with conscious hip hop because one I think I
Speaker 1: enjoy the journey more too, that you wear in that hat. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: for personal attacks that have nothing to do with the argument.
Speaker 1: I love this hat. It says a chief on the side.
Speaker 1: It says a chief on the front. You turned it
Speaker 1: to the side. It says a chief on the side
Speaker 1: that I chose to be the side it's round. Any
Speaker 1: side could be the side. You can have it in
Speaker 1: the back, absolutely I could, and then people from the
Speaker 1: back would be like, who is that a chief? For
Speaker 1: walking past me? Back to the topic you had thought.
Speaker 1: All I've said is that conscious hip hop it takes you.
Speaker 1: It takes you to a place that helps you digest
Speaker 1: society as it's happening in the moment or the past,
Speaker 1: as as the people living in it saw it. And
Speaker 1: club hits it's just heathenism. You know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just sort of rubbing together. Listen as a Christian woman,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't know what you believe, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what God you serve, but we've never really
Speaker 1: talked about what faith you have. Uh so this is
Speaker 1: the thing. It's I listen to NPR, Okay, listen to NPR.
Speaker 1: I get on seeing it. I am very aware of
Speaker 1: all of the things that are happening right. Absolutely, this
Speaker 1: is happening here, This is a problem here. Oh, we
Speaker 1: got to go march again, right? So is that way?
Speaker 1: Is that how you react? You we gotta go march again.
Speaker 1: I mean we've been marching my mother's we've been marching forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been marching for I feel like that's honestly just
Speaker 1: a prerequisite to black fitness. You know. It's just guys,
Speaker 1: we gotta get out there and it is way over there,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be building these calves, could be fighting
Speaker 1: the power. The best thing that ever happened to marching
Speaker 1: was a sneaker. Yeah, because that's when sneakers came about.
Speaker 1: They were like, was gonna stop these blocks? Listen, because
Speaker 1: before they was out there marching in a straight church shoe.
Speaker 1: You try to march church shoes, you really have to
Speaker 1: think about how much you care about the thing that
Speaker 1: you march it for, because about after eight steps you're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: could we stay? We can still sing, we can sing
Speaker 1: and be still? Can everything be a sitting? Can everything
Speaker 1: be just sit right now? Listen? The city came from
Speaker 1: the marches like like, hey, hey, listen, we can't make
Speaker 1: all of us, can't make it all the way over there,
Speaker 1: So let's just take over a lunch counter. Because they
Speaker 1: don't less either there anyway, So let's we'll kill two
Speaker 1: with one. Let's make it happen. I'll let you hit
Speaker 1: me with the milkshake before I walk in these church
Speaker 1: shoes for seven miles. Yeah, because you know what a
Speaker 1: milkshake washes off. Bunians don't know. No, I can get
Speaker 1: a new pressing curl, okay, I can wash the stress.
Speaker 1: But my feet, on the other hand, my achilles is
Speaker 1: going through it. So I'm going man, I mean, I
Speaker 1: understand why it's such an issue, So sucking up my
Speaker 1: c l um. When I'm listening to music, I don't
Speaker 1: want to think about all this ship that's wrong in
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, I want to stop. I'm here to listen.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about all the hardships in
Speaker 1: your neighborhood and all another nonsense. Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: hear about that ship. I don't want to hear about
Speaker 1: your local struggle. No, I don't want to hear about
Speaker 1: how hard it is in your corner and America, bro, no,
Speaker 1: are you robbing? Everybody's robbing? Okay, first of all, and
Speaker 1: ninth right, like, oh, let's go to the Bronx, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want this play by play news story of
Speaker 1: what the funk what's funked up in your area? Like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want I don't need that. I
Speaker 1: don't want that because I already know. I already know
Speaker 1: ship's bad over here, Ship's bad over here. There's already
Speaker 1: the misconception that people think like, oh, well, like the
Speaker 1: North's not as racist, which is a lie, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh it's not as in your face. I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: so yes, this man not might not have a Confederate
Speaker 1: flag T shirt on, but he's still not gonna let
Speaker 1: you with this fucking apartment. Who gives a ship? So like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not in your face. Racism, all racism in your face.
Speaker 1: If you won't let me live here, it's in my face.
Speaker 1: Some goofy bitches in the lobby asking me to prove
Speaker 1: when I live here. I'm like, bitch, you gotta keey file.
Speaker 1: If you touched me, I'm gonna slap you back to
Speaker 1: Like we already have the ships. So when I'm listening
Speaker 1: to my musica, I don't want to hear that ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I want to hear about what I'm
Speaker 1: listening to my musica? What is that guns holds money?
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear about. I want to
Speaker 1: hear what you out here doing is you're getting the
Speaker 1: whole Did you're taking these drugs? How many bottles did
Speaker 1: you pop today? Like, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 1: I want to hear a repetitive beat that will let
Speaker 1: me shake something that conscious wrap you can't. I was like,
Speaker 1: I always think about this. I was like, so do
Speaker 1: they have like conscientious wrap clubs? Like you're just sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking with a bunch of other niggas. You're just
Speaker 1: sitting thinking. Yeah, you're just bobbing back and forth. It's
Speaker 1: hard out here. No, bro, I want to shake something
Speaker 1: I'm trying to forget. I'm trying to see how many
Speaker 1: men want me to rub my butt on their pelvis.
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate that. But he could be a nice man.
Speaker 1: People are throwing books and people putting their clothes on right,
Speaker 1: like it was like a sticking here, a jacket or
Speaker 1: all you aware at check. Everybody got to be the
Speaker 1: clothes on this club. So I don't I want like
Speaker 1: for me. It's like I don't want to say like escapeism.
Speaker 1: But it's like I already know about all of the
Speaker 1: ship that's bad. I don't need you. I don't need
Speaker 1: you to put the news to a beat. I don't
Speaker 1: need that. So I will say this, okay, So you
Speaker 1: you have perfectly made your point and tied me up
Speaker 1: for mine. Because the guns, the hose, the money, the
Speaker 1: butt rubbing, it's it's all. It's since it's all the same,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't after a while you lose me,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like I want you to rub
Speaker 1: a butt like this. I want to rub all your
Speaker 1: butt like that. It's just it's it's not only a
Speaker 1: bit repetitive, but it's like I can guess the ending
Speaker 1: of the song. Okay, But in the social conscious rap
Speaker 1: I can also get standing because y'all still out here
Speaker 1: being broke. The government still, the cops are still killing us,
Speaker 1: like fun the Police is a song that can come
Speaker 1: out every single year. Sure, like we're not like it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. We're not learning new ship. Nothing new
Speaker 1: is happening, nothing is truly you're still what the what
Speaker 1: with the new topic gentrification? What are you talking about now,
Speaker 1: Doe Coin? Are you trying to fix the hood? Are they?
Speaker 1: That's what? That's not what's happening in these songs. No
Speaker 1: one's giving you like, hey, we're gonna strategize, like, no
Speaker 1: one's the comments not telling you how to win a
Speaker 1: local election, Like that's not happening like that that is?
Speaker 1: That is good? Then that means that the only thing
Speaker 1: missing bridging this gap between us would be a conscious
Speaker 1: rap that wasn't about something that happened. It was it's
Speaker 1: about a plan. So if you if you heard a
Speaker 1: song that was about a plan that was like this
Speaker 1: is how we're gonna take over half of Mississippi, you
Speaker 1: would be down for it. You couldn't do something to it,
Speaker 1: but you could you could be like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a nice flow and a good plan. I like this plan.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't the goal always to Bob though, you
Speaker 1: gotta get if it's not a Bob I people gonna
Speaker 1: listen to it, So you guys still not get somebody
Speaker 1: about Here's the thing about Bob's though. People are now,
Speaker 1: especially with club hits, people are now forgetting to even
Speaker 1: check for the lyrics. You don't know what you're bopping
Speaker 1: your head too. You could be bopping. You could be
Speaker 1: bopping your head to just pure unadulterated gag violence. Argue.
Speaker 1: This song could be about beating you, and you're like
Speaker 1: this thing slaps and then all of the sudden people
Speaker 1: jump you and you have no idea why my thing is.
Speaker 1: I truly understand that the j Coles of the world,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't really dance to it, you can't
Speaker 1: really like like like swing your hips. But if he
Speaker 1: can't ride a flow, if he if he if he
Speaker 1: can't put something out there that not only I understand
Speaker 1: that you don't want to think as much because this
Speaker 1: is kind of like how I like, I think that
Speaker 1: we're this mirrors our personalities though, because I'm very much
Speaker 1: like documentaries and you very much like Korean dramas. You know,
Speaker 1: I love a documentary. The problem is all the documentary
Speaker 1: is now about true crime, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: see true crime. Also, it's always true crime documentaries. A
Speaker 1: boy white people getting murdered, like niggas getting murdered. People
Speaker 1: would call it get murdered, Like y'all ain't trying to
Speaker 1: do no cold case of you know a black man
Speaker 1: who was incarcerated and he was an innocent person, like
Speaker 1: the Innocence Project. If the Innocence Project became a production house,
Speaker 1: they win every oscar can I can? I'm digressing for
Speaker 1: a second, but this is that you just revived to
Speaker 1: me of this as someone who is seeing real crime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is messed up. But like I wonder, was like
Speaker 1: when you see a crime and then you see a
Speaker 1: document of about that crib. But you're like, man, they
Speaker 1: should have interviewed me. They got it all wrong. Listen,
Speaker 1: Listen to something like what happened there? I'm in the shot.
Speaker 1: I'm in the shot and they didn't get me. Listen.
Speaker 1: I had a neighbor on gangland one time and my
Speaker 1: mother was like, this is nonsense. This is absolute lies, lies,
Speaker 1: none of this was happening. Like she was so aggravated
Speaker 1: because she was just like, they wasn't doing half of
Speaker 1: this ship. So when it came out, we were like
Speaker 1: like me and my homeboard, like I was talking to
Speaker 1: my homeboy and like in his sister, it were like
Speaker 1: liing yang like the whole time he was watching it.
Speaker 1: And then there was some dude on there who was
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the gang, and then nobody knew
Speaker 1: who he was, sort of like they just hired some actor,
Speaker 1: like they didn't have enough of the story because this
Speaker 1: gang wasn't doing what they said it was doing. Also,
Speaker 1: you were a gang in the suburbs, like calm down,
Speaker 1: like they must have just like I don't know if
Speaker 1: Gangland that week was just out of gangs. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well we heard about this over in Gwynette
Speaker 1: County and I'm just like, hey man, this is wild,
Speaker 1: but um but my mother was like, this is nonsense.
Speaker 1: My mother went, they should have interviewed me, id have
Speaker 1: told him. I was like, the last thing you need
Speaker 1: to be on Gangland. The thing that I love about
Speaker 1: gang glad type stuff, though, is a perfect opportunity to
Speaker 1: hype up your gags. So you can be a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know we killed JFK. That was They
Speaker 1: thought we weren't really out here like that. But we've
Speaker 1: been out here okay, and we we got that man,
Speaker 1: all right. Could you imagine if like it was like
Speaker 1: moo this it was like, yeah, Holmes, we got Jaffa,
Speaker 1: we got okay, all right, and the FBI was so
Speaker 1: scared that they covered it up. What if the crypt
Speaker 1: what if the crypts just killed I imagine that they
Speaker 1: could have done it, but by accident, they just saw
Speaker 1: dropped top and they were just like, yeah, that's that boy.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that was the president. Damn, yeah that
Speaker 1: was That's are bad because he was gonna side that
Speaker 1: voter Rice bill too. He was definitely gonna sign a
Speaker 1: civil rights sack. Fuck, we should have ask more questions.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about club hits, all right. The
Speaker 1: other thing is that this is this I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this point and you don't even want it. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to hear your counter though, because I understand I'm stepping
Speaker 1: into to precarious waters. So basically, a lot of the
Speaker 1: club hit game is so rigged that I honestly have
Speaker 1: a hard time respecting it. There are some like Atlanta
Speaker 1: is a great example. Atlanta club hits are authentic. They're
Speaker 1: like they're like people run up on a DJ or
Speaker 1: they have a friend that that can get their stuff played,
Speaker 1: and then some people play it. Then they play it
Speaker 1: in that club, people follow that person on Instagram, DJ
Speaker 1: gives them a shout out, they build up a real
Speaker 1: following and everything. But the rest of the game at large,
Speaker 1: the broad like brushstrokes of music, it's still the same
Speaker 1: like label Paola type thing that we pretend we aren't
Speaker 1: still doing from the seventies or whatever. Like like, it's
Speaker 1: still very much like, Okay, I have the back end
Speaker 1: of this person to get me a feature by this
Speaker 1: person and get pumped up by this person. So now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden my club hit is is it's
Speaker 1: like on fire. But I'm like, if this was if
Speaker 1: this had to exist in a vacuum, it would have
Speaker 1: never got here. Whereas I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: conscious songs don't really have that problem. It's like most
Speaker 1: of the most of the conscious rappers that I enjoy
Speaker 1: are only semi famous. They're not like because the ship
Speaker 1: is boring, the nigg is still working office depot because
Speaker 1: nobody fucking cares. That's the thing. Like nobody is like
Speaker 1: sitting up running them to a club is like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me hear this. I don't even know those social
Speaker 1: conscious rappers because that's how much I don't care. But
Speaker 1: don't give me a socially like a real socially conscious rapper,
Speaker 1: like a conscious can give him in my name, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've heard a no name. Yeah, but no name is not.
Speaker 1: No name is not Cardi B. No name is not.
Speaker 1: Like like she is at a place where I don't
Speaker 1: think this should happen, but I think very well she
Speaker 1: is gonna plateau where she's at because now the people
Speaker 1: that know about her lover talk about her and everything.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, it doesn't spread even more. Everything
Speaker 1: everything hits, everything hits critical masks. At a certain point,
Speaker 1: you're just famous, like there's not new people Like Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt is famous, he's established, right like Angela Bassett established
Speaker 1: like angel Bassett legit famous. But Loretta Divine is not
Speaker 1: as famous as Agel Bassett. But Loretta Divine Like it's
Speaker 1: crazy because like I feel like sometimes like certain people
Speaker 1: are like black famous, like a lot of time when
Speaker 1: I'm on the shade room, They'll be talking about people
Speaker 1: like who the funk is this? Who the fund is that? Like,
Speaker 1: there's so many people that talk about in the shade.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know who any of these motherfucker's are,
Speaker 1: but I should know so. But I think the other
Speaker 1: thing that I think about, like when it comes like
Speaker 1: socially like conscious rap or like stuff like that, is
Speaker 1: like like when I think about, like first like the
Speaker 1: number of when I look at, like the number of
Speaker 1: white people that try to talk to me about like rap,
Speaker 1: like music, if it's if it's a white girl, she's
Speaker 1: asking me if I know who Lizzo is, when I'm
Speaker 1: just like, well, first of all, I'm not Lizzo, so
Speaker 1: leave me alone. Uh second, beat it, lady, Like I
Speaker 1: get it, go away, stop talking. You're not going to
Speaker 1: connect with me on this, Okay talking to a little
Speaker 1: away and you goofy, lady. But when I look at like,
Speaker 1: what do I think the number of white people that
Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm really in an old school hip hop?
Speaker 1: But I'm like really, because we're done with it. That's
Speaker 1: why we call it old school hip hop. Like it's
Speaker 1: not because like if you think about like hip hop
Speaker 1: back like because the style changes so much, because at
Speaker 1: first it was all conscious, right, sure, and then there
Speaker 1: was a break, like a whole you know, like a
Speaker 1: Protestant Catholic situation where which is like we're all doing
Speaker 1: the same thing, and then there was a break where
Speaker 1: it was just like I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to go out,
Speaker 1: I want to dance, and that is it. Because I
Speaker 1: am very aware of like who consumes what, So it's
Speaker 1: interesting that people are like, well because they try to
Speaker 1: act like that. You know, black people don't contribute to
Speaker 1: the American economy whatsoever, which is wild because we are
Speaker 1: some of the biggest consumers. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: like when I talk to my next like it's conscious
Speaker 1: rap music, the people who are talking to me about
Speaker 1: conscious rap music a lot of times are white people.
Speaker 1: So it's like they're getting new information because, like, as
Speaker 1: black people, because we're not the dominant culture because were
Speaker 1: minorities in this country quote unquote, we have to know
Speaker 1: all of the white things, but white people aren't required
Speaker 1: to know the black things. So they're listening and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I didn't know that this was such
Speaker 1: a problem. I'm like, what do y'all do all day?
Speaker 1: What do you do? Like? How do you not know
Speaker 1: that there are issues and other community? Like It's that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's always been wild to me, where it's
Speaker 1: just like I just I just wasn't. I mean, are
Speaker 1: y'all really short? Like when you're sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 1: Like when I like if I interacting with him, like
Speaker 1: I've had a dude like be aggressive to me and
Speaker 1: like rude to me on set and then I someone
Speaker 1: say to me, well, is that your perception of it?
Speaker 1: And I just went, I don't know. I don't need that,
Speaker 1: yeah at all. I don't need you to second guess
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. What I need you to do is
Speaker 1: listen to what I'm saying and fucking fix it. That's
Speaker 1: what I need you to do. So in those situations
Speaker 1: where it's just like people just second guessing, like what
Speaker 1: you're saying and what your experience is, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times when it comes to stuff like this,
Speaker 1: it's just people going, well, I didn't know they were
Speaker 1: going through so much. So they're like catching up on
Speaker 1: news that happened twenty years ago because because it's like
Speaker 1: now like as I was saying before, it's we're gonna
Speaker 1: dance for everyone to shake forever. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: that's why sometimes like on a bunch of black people
Speaker 1: laughing bothers white people so much because no matter they've
Speaker 1: done all of these things for all, Like we've literally
Speaker 1: been in America for like four hundred and two years,
Speaker 1: and it's gotten better than it was before because before
Speaker 1: we were stolen and brought here answers were someone brought
Speaker 1: here its property. So it's better than it was before,
Speaker 1: but we're still dealing with things that we've been dealing
Speaker 1: with since Jim Crows, Like Jim Crow ended on paper.
Speaker 1: But now it's like we desegregated schools, and now they've
Speaker 1: resegregated schools, but they've done it so slowly. You just
Speaker 1: look up and you're like, damn you a white kidds
Speaker 1: at the school. What they got us again? So when
Speaker 1: I look at stuff like that, it's like we are
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Because there's still gonna be the
Speaker 1: break happened for a reason, like the like the split
Speaker 1: happened for a reason, Because it just gets to the
Speaker 1: point where you're just like every time I turn on
Speaker 1: a record, I can't hear about this ship because it's like,
Speaker 1: is there conscious R and B or is that just
Speaker 1: neo soul music? I mean if yeah, he might be
Speaker 1: alone in that right or they just spoken word? Also
Speaker 1: spoken word, it's just poetry. What do we talk It's
Speaker 1: just poetry. It's low key rapping, Like what are we
Speaker 1: talking about right now? But I do feel like spoken
Speaker 1: word is for conscious rappers who have trouble staying on beat.
Speaker 1: You know, they like I just gotta go with you know,
Speaker 1: my guy giving gifts, let me be the bet. There's
Speaker 1: like that that basis throwing me off. Let me just
Speaker 1: do thing, because it's I mean, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: spoken word poem that I thought was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: should like I felt before that some of them should
Speaker 1: be songs. But then I was like, no, there's no
Speaker 1: beat to like like his top end and his back
Speaker 1: end or like completely. So I guess if he had
Speaker 1: a beat switch, he could make it work with both.
Speaker 1: But that's saying that seems too hard now. But they're
Speaker 1: all doing But the thing is they're all doing the same.
Speaker 1: It's like like have ever been in like a sausa club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's basically the same song all night. It kind
Speaker 1: of is. But some people like so I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you watch any spoken word, I used to one
Speaker 1: of them slutely not, and two things happened. There was
Speaker 1: a big schism in spoken word where some of them
Speaker 1: stayed with like that like bongo beat type and my
Speaker 1: brother like that that thing, and then other ones really
Speaker 1: did start like almost rapping, but they would just go
Speaker 1: so fast until they were out of breath, and you
Speaker 1: would actually hear them go like it was like you
Speaker 1: could hear them gas because they were just like streamlining
Speaker 1: the whole poem. And my brother, I'm trying to tell
Speaker 1: you that it's like, you're not twister, just tell me
Speaker 1: the words. Yeah, and both of them I couldn't go
Speaker 1: to a beat. They stopped doing the okay, so this
Speaker 1: is they stopped doing the fast thing because it made
Speaker 1: no sense. No, no, no, I wish. But in Chicago,
Speaker 1: I went to an open mic night a couple of times,
Speaker 1: like as I was getting it to stand. It was
Speaker 1: a mixed open mic. It was like stand up a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. There was this guy that would
Speaker 1: do spoken word and the first two times he the
Speaker 1: first two times he brought bogos, but even he could
Speaker 1: tell he could keep up with what his hands were doing.
Speaker 1: So then the next two times I saw me didn't
Speaker 1: have any He just left him at home. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to realize because it's like that kind of
Speaker 1: like beat Nick thing from the Fit. Like it's funny
Speaker 1: because like the only people like certain people still swing
Speaker 1: dance and then like this beat Nick like the rockabilly
Speaker 1: kind of vibe that some people still funk with, and
Speaker 1: then like the fifties was such an amazing time. Um,
Speaker 1: it's kind of rough for everybody. Basically, Uh, it's like
Speaker 1: black people went, yeah that beat Nick ship will keep
Speaker 1: it and then just turning the spoken word because okay,
Speaker 1: so where does Kendrick Lamar fall on this? He I
Speaker 1: think he falls in conscious because of the The Damn
Speaker 1: Album and the Pulitzer, Like he was already like Section
Speaker 1: eight and to Pile Butterfly all that stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Those weren't really he did kind of bridge a little
Speaker 1: bit because he had songs like Um, he had songs
Speaker 1: like I He had he had songs like like d
Speaker 1: n A. He had things that people like Bob two
Speaker 1: in a in a way that was not like club dunswing,
Speaker 1: but it was like they were really rocking with it
Speaker 1: and everything. So he's sort of like an outlier of
Speaker 1: a lot of these other people because but like if
Speaker 1: you played be Humble in a club, it would bob
Speaker 1: like people would dance to that. So he kind of
Speaker 1: found a way to like bridget I am not what
Speaker 1: what blasphemy? What do you Go ahead and say what
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, because I'm already upset. Go ahead, and
Speaker 1: I do enjoy his music, But what I will say
Speaker 1: is that I'm not a huge kinds look lamar fan,
Speaker 1: because I think he sounds like a muppet. So you
Speaker 1: could have stopped at not a huge fact. See, this
Speaker 1: is this is what you do. This is this is
Speaker 1: your whole vibe. You like to put your foot on
Speaker 1: the line and make sure your toe is over it
Speaker 1: like tin toes down. Baby? Why why would why would
Speaker 1: you even need to include that? I can respect you're
Speaker 1: not being a huge fan. I'm just saying I figured
Speaker 1: but when you say you're not a big like when
Speaker 1: you say a lot like people are like people want quantifiers,
Speaker 1: Well why well what is it? And my reason is
Speaker 1: his voice sounds like it's being done by Jim Hinson.
Speaker 1: That's my It's like a Frank Oz kind of like
Speaker 1: just Sesame Street Muppets take Manhattan more like a muppet
Speaker 1: and Sesame Street way more muppet. What you So, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. First of all, you all those people not think. Second,
Speaker 1: the qualifier doesn't make it better. The quality, Like the
Speaker 1: qualifier is only gonna take what you're doing right now,
Speaker 1: which is taking a Kindrick bar fan and coming to
Speaker 1: you actually had Cobba ground and then you decided to
Speaker 1: jackhammer it. You had like I was like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: not a huge I could live with that. You were like,
Speaker 1: let me throw in a couple of things. I like
Speaker 1: what he's saying. I just don't like I can I
Speaker 1: can say this. I'm very into people's voices, right, so
Speaker 1: that is important for me, Like I listened to like
Speaker 1: the quality, the timber of someone's the musicality of someone's voice. Right.
Speaker 1: So to me, if you sound like you should be
Speaker 1: standing next to Gonzo, I'm not. I'm not really gonna
Speaker 1: be so I will. I will ask you this question
Speaker 1: about club hits in general. I understand what you're saying
Speaker 1: about the consciousness sometimes being a bit too much, but
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I there's two points that I basically
Speaker 1: want to try to make simultaneously, So address whichever one
Speaker 1: of them first that you that you feel needs addressing one.
Speaker 1: I would make conscious socially conscious rap only a part
Speaker 1: of the pie of what I feel like conscious rap is.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think conscious rap is just all outright lyricism,
Speaker 1: like like outright saying anything, because because I understand the
Speaker 1: socially conscious stuff is is exhausting to a to a degree,
Speaker 1: especially when you live in and you know, being at
Speaker 1: the daily show, we have to read about it and
Speaker 1: like work in it. So I understand needing a break
Speaker 1: and not being like I want to reminder of what
Speaker 1: I left when I go home. But I think that
Speaker 1: when you take the time to put in incredible alliteration
Speaker 1: and like all of these aspects of poetry into your lyrics,
Speaker 1: I I personally, only me personally also put that in
Speaker 1: a conscious vibe because I'm so you think there aren't
Speaker 1: club rappers that are writing good lyrics. I think that
Speaker 1: there are some, But I think that overall the same
Speaker 1: way that you told me that like a at a
Speaker 1: certain point we we get it. I think that that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about a club hits because I'm like,
Speaker 1: here are all the things that I at least because
Speaker 1: because of who I am, Because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know me, but if if you're listening, you might not.
Speaker 1: I'm like a nerd. I'm like, I'm like a pretty
Speaker 1: uh would you what would you call it? I'm like,
Speaker 1: you got that book learning person, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got the book learning you real chill um. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have this much with the club themes, so
Speaker 1: that that's why I'm that's what knocks me out of it,
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, well, I don't drink um. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a relationship person. I don't I can't
Speaker 1: do the the the musition together with strangers, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to. I have to know a person. So
Speaker 1: a lot of that, a lot of that stuff is
Speaker 1: out for me. I mean, I'm not in the Harlot
Speaker 1: out here just rubbing up against any man anytime dicking.
Speaker 1: Jamal would say that was that was it at all.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's what knocks me out. I'm not talking,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I mean it's like you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, some man starts rubbing on you and You're
Speaker 1: like okay, start get off me. You feel broke? Beat it? Um?
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait waite. Sorry to
Speaker 1: digress again, but how does somebody dance broke? How does
Speaker 1: somebody dance behind you broke? It's a feeling, It's it's
Speaker 1: a vibe, it's a it's just a it's just a knowing.
Speaker 1: Like I've only probably been in a relationship like one
Speaker 1: really good man and he was a convicted felon, so,
Speaker 1: which is neither here nor there. So just like the
Speaker 1: American justice system hates us. Uh. But like, for instance,
Speaker 1: I can spot a trash ass dude from fifty paces.
Speaker 1: I could feel him right, just like I always know
Speaker 1: when I see a theater kid. You always know, like
Speaker 1: within five seconds of talking to somebody, Like when people
Speaker 1: are like I'm a comic and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're an open micer, like stop, um, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the same kind of thing. But there have been
Speaker 1: times where you just be out and some dude to
Speaker 1: just come up behind you and you're just like, dude, no,
Speaker 1: because like some days you go out you're like I
Speaker 1: just want to dance with my friends. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to give some man a partial erection. Get off me
Speaker 1: right now, this is my question. So I had a
Speaker 1: dude we were out one night because like I quit
Speaker 1: wearing heels to the club because I was just like it, right,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in this girl. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the group of girls around a
Speaker 1: pile of shoes, like I'm okay, keep dropping cups in here,
Speaker 1: the floora's slippery, my busting my ass, this is all
Speaker 1: a fire has it. I'm not doing it. But this
Speaker 1: dude came up behind me one time at a club
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and I was dancing and then he came
Speaker 1: up behind me and I stopped moving and he was
Speaker 1: like hey, and I was like no, and he started
Speaker 1: hitting me on my side and I'm like, sir, i
Speaker 1: am not sea biscuit. Stop hitting me on my side.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing it. No, thank you. And
Speaker 1: when he came up behind me, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I feel unsavory individual. Uh, Like sometimes you're just known
Speaker 1: as a criminal behind Like sometimes you just know that
Speaker 1: like this is not a good part. There's plans of
Speaker 1: them and tricked just recently, just fooled. But also sometimes
Speaker 1: you just want to go out. You wanna be with
Speaker 1: your friends, and I don't want some man behind me
Speaker 1: like off me, get off beat a nerd. So like
Speaker 1: I understand, but there is those times I'm like listening
Speaker 1: to like you know, club hits and stuff like that
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, all right, yeah, we're drinking again.
Speaker 1: We're drinking again, we're taking all the drugs again. We're
Speaker 1: getting these hos not as other ships. So it's just
Speaker 1: you can get too full of one or the other. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like when you go to like a Latin club
Speaker 1: and they're just like, Okay, we're gonna play get for
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna pay up, but I chopped
Speaker 1: for a little bit. We're playing sausa for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Because like if you're just hearing like a salt like
Speaker 1: salsa all night long, or by Chocolate about anger or
Speaker 1: any of that, because of the dance that you do
Speaker 1: to those songs is basically the same melody just said
Speaker 1: a little bit different, and then it's just someone else
Speaker 1: singing about being in love. So after a certain point
Speaker 1: you're just like, I can't hear this song again. But
Speaker 1: if you put on swavea mentate it's going down. Please
Speaker 1: know that about me. But like I feel the way
Speaker 1: about Swave and mentate, like I feel about nuk a
Speaker 1: few buck, Like that's where I am with both of
Speaker 1: It's just like if it comes on, I go all
Speaker 1: the words it's going down. We used to singing in
Speaker 1: the hallway in my high school. Um so just somebody
Speaker 1: just being the halve and somebody else save a man
Speaker 1: thing and everybody going to classic Bessiman and then we
Speaker 1: keep going to class. So also in the Joe to
Speaker 1: see who. Yeah, we had fun. So but it does
Speaker 1: get to a point where you're just like I can't
Speaker 1: hear about this club shot anymore. I can't hear about
Speaker 1: the social shit anymore. You just have to. That's why
Speaker 1: I can confusing people like don't listen like different genres
Speaker 1: of music, Like so this is all you listen to.
Speaker 1: I have met people like that. It's wild. I'll throw
Speaker 1: on it like it's listenly I have Like the other
Speaker 1: day I listened to Ariana Grande but chat to song
Speaker 1: and then a gospel song and this was one two
Speaker 1: three yeah. Yeah. So it's like people people who would
Speaker 1: agree with me about conscious rap that only listened to
Speaker 1: it and they're too much for me. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: unless you unless you're gonna go do something. We can't
Speaker 1: just sit here like I've been. I've been in those
Speaker 1: sessions where you just chill with a fread and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, put on put on that other album, put
Speaker 1: on that other album. And I'm like, this clearly doesn't
Speaker 1: motivate you to do anything because because they're sad, Josh,
Speaker 1: because they're sad. At least when you're listening to a
Speaker 1: little John you just want to get up and run
Speaker 1: around or just yell yeah, like you want to do something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but is the style tractor my friends getting arrested that like,
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, that's I think that's the other
Speaker 1: reason why I don't vide with club stuff as much,
Speaker 1: because I just have a lot of bad memory. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is that this may have to be cut. This
Speaker 1: is five though, But I went to a club one
Speaker 1: time where it was a local you talked about you
Speaker 1: don't want to hear local conscious wrap. That's like what's
Speaker 1: going on over there? What I tell you that a
Speaker 1: lot of because you're from Atlanta, So I think I
Speaker 1: think I can safely say you've been spoiled with good
Speaker 1: like underground hip hop beats good. I know, a lot
Speaker 1: of it's trash. A lot of the time, you'll see
Speaker 1: some dude and you're at a club or something or
Speaker 1: a bar. You're at a club and then they'll just
Speaker 1: have some local act come up and just tell you
Speaker 1: what's happening on, like Bouldercrest and you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one great dude, or like whatever they're doing on
Speaker 1: the South Side, and I'm like, hey, man, like you
Speaker 1: gotta also, I think you're dry snitching first and foremost, yeah, foremost,
Speaker 1: that's that's I think that's my other issue is that
Speaker 1: a lot of these these club hits are not they're
Speaker 1: not put together in the most creative way. So then
Speaker 1: you just end up presenting Exhibit A in court like
Speaker 1: like you don't you don't have anything else? Does that
Speaker 1: you don't have any sort of flowery language to hide
Speaker 1: the fact that this is exactly what you did, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like okay, and I shot him and it was
Speaker 1: like the you know, there's like a whole camp sketch
Speaker 1: about it where but it was Tuesday and yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're like, guys, you're making me nervous because I'm here
Speaker 1: to watch the show like they might, I'm an accessory
Speaker 1: to what's happening right now. But it's like, but I
Speaker 1: think they're there's a place for both of them. I
Speaker 1: just think for me, it's I mean, I do understand
Speaker 1: that it's a way to let people know who aren't
Speaker 1: on the up and up when it comes to like
Speaker 1: getting their news or before there was like social media
Speaker 1: and you really only knew you didn't have a whole
Speaker 1: worldwide kind of like perception of what was really happening
Speaker 1: in other places. So I think socially conscious rap could
Speaker 1: tell you what was happening somewhere else because the West
Speaker 1: Coast came out with some club boppers. The South known
Speaker 1: for it. But like I don't know, because like you know,
Speaker 1: when I like, you know, one of our friends just
Speaker 1: constantly likes to ship on like Southern hip hop because
Speaker 1: he thinks that Northern hip hop is better. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what do you niggas do when you go
Speaker 1: to the club? Truly, truly, if you're in here playing
Speaker 1: Wu Tang all that, what are you really Because the
Speaker 1: thing is they're talking about that much different ship. It's
Speaker 1: it's just the beat is different, like your sho was
Speaker 1: like how they sound and what the beat sounds like.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no one's really I've never been because
Speaker 1: even like those fucking like spoken with shows are kind
Speaker 1: of depressing. The neo soul shows is just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: everyone in here is you're currently I don't know how
Speaker 1: you burn in sense in your own dreads, but whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's like I get it, alright. White man's religion
Speaker 1: is trash, got it, got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 1: These crystals will help you. Coo coo coo coo cool,
Speaker 1: that's what you believe in. Fine, funk with it. But
Speaker 1: you get in those shows, I'm just like, Okay, everyone's
Speaker 1: in earth tones and they're still talking about fucking. Like
Speaker 1: that's the thing at the end of the day. Everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about fucking, and whatever way you're doing it, you're
Speaker 1: talking about fucking. So like I think, like one of
Speaker 1: the best examples like a socially conscious rap song that
Speaker 1: I could funk with. It's like, you know, the Tupac
Speaker 1: song Brenda is having a baby, great example of a
Speaker 1: socially conscious that you can bop. Right, It's like damn
Speaker 1: team pregnancy as a problem in our community. Also a
Speaker 1: I also was like in college when like a Little
Speaker 1: John was popping off, when a whole krunk music ship
Speaker 1: was popping off, I was in college. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: That's a huge thing with music, though, is that I've
Speaker 1: been told and this is not it's not science or anything,
Speaker 1: but I haven't been seeing it proved wrong yet that
Speaker 1: whatever you listened to in high school and the early
Speaker 1: part of college is going to be music to you forever.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get broken from that thing. Like if
Speaker 1: you liked a specific thing when you were in high school,
Speaker 1: even if you veer away from it, you're always gonna
Speaker 1: have a soft spot for like that that little piece
Speaker 1: of the genre, right like I always like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I was also in like middle school and
Speaker 1: like when Nirvana was popping off, or like um, the
Speaker 1: amount of hood at the amount of I don't think
Speaker 1: that the Red Hot Chili Peppers know how many black
Speaker 1: people fun with them. I don't think they know. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would know. They would I think they
Speaker 1: I think they might notice that there are plenty of
Speaker 1: them at the concert, But I don't think they They
Speaker 1: don't know enough to then be like we would like
Speaker 1: to do the Source Awards. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: that deep. I'll say that it's like all the subourbon
Speaker 1: black people I knew really funk with them. I think
Speaker 1: about like there's so many times where I was like
Speaker 1: trying to like listen to socially conscious Wrap and been
Speaker 1: like okay, and I feel like I should be taking notes.
Speaker 1: Like every time I listened to one of those songs,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, we have such we have such
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's holding a mirror up to America.
Speaker 1: It's holding up your mirrors up here, like experience as
Speaker 1: a black person in America. And I'm just like I
Speaker 1: don't want this. I don't want this. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but like I think, like
Speaker 1: when it comes to like the lyrics, because like we
Speaker 1: can all we can both agree that like little Wayne
Speaker 1: is Lwayne is amazing, Like the use of a metaphor
Speaker 1: the use of as simile, like the imagery is ship
Speaker 1: like it's you can do. I so appreciate the concession
Speaker 1: that you're making at the common ground that you're trying
Speaker 1: to build, but I Little Wayne is my one where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't don't really care. Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I respect his you know, people talk about lyricism, people
Speaker 1: talk about his um adaptability and how he's kept his
Speaker 1: music consistently relevant over the years. I completely respect that.
Speaker 1: But overall, if you want to talk about voices, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about Kendrick's voice, Little Wayne. I don't
Speaker 1: six babies that got possessed by one big baby all
Speaker 1: talking at the same time. I've never heard I've never
Speaker 1: heard Little Wayne sound like a grown man. You did
Speaker 1: his first album when he was fourteen. What's confusing to
Speaker 1: me about Little Wayne is that he had a deeper
Speaker 1: voice at fourteen then he does right now. But it's
Speaker 1: just the way he performs. It's just his performance voice,
Speaker 1: I guess, because I think when you hear him talking
Speaker 1: like an interview, he does sound like an adult. But
Speaker 1: then he sounds dangerous. And I'm like, no, if I
Speaker 1: don't know, if we could be friends, okay, we book
Speaker 1: know you'd never be friends. A little I could try.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, honestly, everybody has somebody to talk to,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I can. It's so funny because I
Speaker 1: have ever had been friends with somebody and when of
Speaker 1: your other friends was like I wouldn't expect you to
Speaker 1: be friends with them, and you just go, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means, but it sounds like disrespect. Yeah, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: oh your friends, I wouldn't have expected that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna I didn't see that coming,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if we're gonna stay friends. We
Speaker 1: can have in this conversation, but like, okay, it's like
Speaker 1: I understand, Like my concession would be, it's reporting the news, right,
Speaker 1: it is telling what's happening in your hood because sometimes
Speaker 1: like you feel like what's happening to you where you live,
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like this is the only You're the only
Speaker 1: one going through that. So like when it's like when
Speaker 1: you have like more visibility of like when you just
Speaker 1: incruise visibility of different groups of people, so like you know,
Speaker 1: minority groups, people with different like you know, plus size people,
Speaker 1: people in the disabled community, people in the l G B,
Speaker 1: t q I A community, you know, the B I,
Speaker 1: P O C community, like all of these groups like
Speaker 1: we're not We're starting to see more, right, You're like okay,
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like a representation thing. Which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you know how your hood is sucked up. Guess what,
Speaker 1: my hood is also fucked up? What's happening over here?
Speaker 1: I can understand. I can give you that concession work
Speaker 1: and kind of just show people like you're not the
Speaker 1: only ones going through this. Sure, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you can't play it at a party though. My concession
Speaker 1: to you is that I definitely, definitely have enjoyed many
Speaker 1: club hits over the years, and while I don't always
Speaker 1: I don't always vibe with everything that comes out, there's
Speaker 1: usually one about each topic that I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: ride with this, this is this is like, so, so
Speaker 1: you know we talked about uh, money, sex, alcohol, all
Speaker 1: the stuff I have. At least every year, I feel
Speaker 1: like I have at least one money song, one alcohol song,
Speaker 1: one sex song out of the out of the club
Speaker 1: hits that I that's just to me undeniably good, And
Speaker 1: for that reason, I can understand why going down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole more, I might. I'm I might be more
Speaker 1: into club hits eventually. Okay, now listen, now, when I
Speaker 1: find me a husban, right, maybe it'll be easy to
Speaker 1: find one. When I start saying the word correctly. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, of course you would be right. Its
Speaker 1: in my wedding right now. On the program for the wedding,
Speaker 1: it will have a designated time to swag surf. It
Speaker 1: is going to happen. Okay, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: that song? I can start preparing now and then and
Speaker 1: then I think I'll be good to go. So you
Speaker 1: don't know how to swag serve. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to swags serve. Well, m m, that's not required. The
Speaker 1: way that I swag serve though most of the dance
Speaker 1: is I think I know how to do. I've been
Speaker 1: told to stop. Yeah, okay. Now go to a club
Speaker 1: and I try to dance toward these club hits, I'm you,
Speaker 1: I usually end up having to apologize to somebody because
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is that that no one
Speaker 1: else is knocking drinkside of people's hands. It's just me,
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm trying to stay corey, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: stay on beat. As someone who has known you for
Speaker 1: a few years now, you do strike me as someone
Speaker 1: who has a body that would not match up well
Speaker 1: to music. This is exactly like the Kendrick that because
Speaker 1: I already said what I did. I didn't need you
Speaker 1: to add to the thing. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening to our podcast, Hold up or is it called
Speaker 1: hold up? Hold Up? There is no way that we
Speaker 1: can get off a podcast talking about club hits without
Speaker 1: talking about the song that has caused us the most
Speaker 1: amount of contention. And what are you talking about? You
Speaker 1: know exactly this I'm talking about. Don't you look at me.
Speaker 1: I tend to wipe things that I think are absolute
Speaker 1: trash from memory. I I tend to I tend to
Speaker 1: try to scrub that out of my consciousness. Don't act
Speaker 1: like you don't know what I'm talking about. That's right,
Speaker 1: the amazing crime Mob hit Nuck if You Buck. Don't
Speaker 1: act like I wasn't gonna bring it up. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the here's the Nuck if You Buck is probably
Speaker 1: one of the songs that I'm most despise because it's
Speaker 1: not It's not only is it not good flies, it
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense to me. So we were
Speaker 1: having a thing at work one day. We were talking
Speaker 1: about if there was a new Negro spiritual. I cannot
Speaker 1: believe we went this long without bringing us up. If
Speaker 1: there was a new Negro spiritual, what would it be?
Speaker 1: I of course said nuck if you buck. Josh came
Speaker 1: out of fucking not even left field the parking lot
Speaker 1: of a baseball game and said Georgia, but not the
Speaker 1: Ray Charles version of Georgia, the ludicrous version with Jamie
Speaker 1: Fox singing the Ray Charles verse. I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: thought it had to be a hip hop song. If
Speaker 1: I had known, it was just completely I picked a
Speaker 1: hip hop was just an any song in the realm
Speaker 1: of blackness. I picked nuck if you buck. That has
Speaker 1: brought many people together but also divided so many and
Speaker 1: you pis rested as many people as it has set
Speaker 1: free one. The issue was you brought up a song
Speaker 1: that only I knew and you knew anyone else in
Speaker 1: the conversation because it was right. I'm talking right, I
Speaker 1: did that, and I made it just you and me
Speaker 1: thing because it was just you with me. I didn't
Speaker 1: know you were gonna blast it out to the rest
Speaker 1: of the office. It wasn't blast It wasn't blasted out
Speaker 1: like that. It wasn't blasted out like that because there
Speaker 1: were other black people standing the room. We're having this conversation,
Speaker 1: and they all leached you, like, what song is that?
Speaker 1: Even Alonso Boden, Uncle Alonso, who was in the office
Speaker 1: one day, said knock a few buck, of course, and
Speaker 1: he knew the song. Even someone who's not even who's black,
Speaker 1: who wouldn't even grow up in America, who is British,
Speaker 1: was like, of course, not if you buck? And I
Speaker 1: said why and They're like, because how it makes you feel?
Speaker 1: Now I understand that you don't like this song because
Speaker 1: what did you tell me? It sounds like to you.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I can tell you because it hurt me.
Speaker 1: You said, but it hurt because it was accurate. Okay,
Speaker 1: it didn't hurt me, hurt me. But I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: he's right, you said that nuck if you buck sounds
Speaker 1: like a G. E. D getting thrown down the hallway
Speaker 1: of a juvenile detention center. I do recall that. Now. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: anyone I've ever said that too has been like, he's
Speaker 1: completely accurate. But the song still slaps. That song still slaps.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. And the thing is this became a running
Speaker 1: thing in the office. So me being the individual that
Speaker 1: I am, got Josh a trophy that said for knocking
Speaker 1: and bucking and being ready to fight Josh Johnson. Now
Speaker 1: I was gonna say first place, but I was telling
Speaker 1: Roy about it, and Roy said, not put runner up,
Speaker 1: which makes it so much funnier, It makes it so
Speaker 1: much mainer. And you also it was it was it
Speaker 1: was I felt hazed because I was I was new.
Speaker 1: I didn't like I hadn't been at the show that
Speaker 1: long and I and you mailed it to me. You did.
Speaker 1: You couldn't just bring it to me like a regular Christian.
Speaker 1: You mailed it to me. So then I got sent
Speaker 1: down to security to get my mail and I was
Speaker 1: excited because I had never got mail at the show before.
Speaker 1: I was like, who knows that I'm here? And I
Speaker 1: opened it up and it was that travesty the way
Speaker 1: you looked when you walked in my office holding it
Speaker 1: down by your side. You know, if you've made it
Speaker 1: this far and listening to the podcast, you're absolutely Jim,
Speaker 1: you really appreciate you. I just want to thank you
Speaker 1: all for me, for us listening. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: bring up not a few buck at the beginning conversation
Speaker 1: because I didn't want Josh to be mad at me
Speaker 1: the entire time. Um, but we had to bring up
Speaker 1: the Pinnacle. I mean we talked about Little John. We
Speaker 1: have talked about the Pinnacle Club hit the Banger All Bangers, Okay,
Speaker 1: Banger of All Banks, really making me regret my concession. Um.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. I'm Josh Johnson and
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