Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most.
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Speaker 2: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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Speaker 1: Everybody. Welcome to Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: I have talked about this woman recently on my podcast
Speaker 2: doing the reunion of Real House spotsor Billy Hills, and
Speaker 2: I'm so happy she said yes when I reach out
Speaker 2: to her, like, girl, I want to talk to you
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm not al thot some some you
Speaker 2: know as I'm watching the show, so please give it
Speaker 2: up with them, beautiful ten across the board.
Speaker 1: Bitch Aunt Marie Wiley for.
Speaker 3: Having me, Carlos excited to be here. Thank you. Okay, wait,
Speaker 3: first I have to say, Anna Marie, Anna Marie, Anna Marie.
Speaker 2: That's why you're here. We're gonna clarify something. So it's
Speaker 2: Anna Marie, Anna Marie not an eight point five.
Speaker 3: Okay. So let's go into that. Okay, So okay, this
Speaker 3: is how I approach that. I was an athlete growing up, right,
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, I'm never gonna have a coach
Speaker 3: that's like you're perfect. Everything you do is perfect, there's
Speaker 3: no room for improvement. You had a perfect game. My
Speaker 3: mindset is like there's always room for improvement. You can
Speaker 3: always be better, you can always create a better version
Speaker 3: of yourself. And so one of the things that like
Speaker 3: I love about my husband and we play off each
Speaker 3: other really well in this regard is that we always
Speaker 3: push each other and like he's my best friend, Like
Speaker 3: we have that kind of relationship. He's never gonna be like, oh, babe,
Speaker 3: you're perfect. Everything you do is perfect, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: you don't need to do anything better. He's like he's
Speaker 3: honest with me. I'm honest with him, and that's why
Speaker 3: I love him because I'm like I never have to
Speaker 3: guess if anything that he's telling me is true because
Speaker 3: I'm like, if he's like you're in eight point five,
Speaker 3: I know he's telling me the truth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: If that's stunning on me, I know it really does,
Speaker 3: because he's not just pandering to me. He's not just
Speaker 3: pandering saying what he thinks I need to hear. And like,
Speaker 3: you know, I have healthy self esteem like that, like
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't need to be perfect. Nobody's perfect.
Speaker 3: Nothing's perfect. You can always be.
Speaker 1: Better, No, not at all.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about you because when I'm watch
Speaker 2: you on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I was
Speaker 2: so intrigued because it's not easy, and trust me, I
Speaker 2: know this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: Easy for a newbie to enter a shell that's been
Speaker 2: offered many seasons and have a voice is very intimidating.
Speaker 2: And you came in like a wrecking ball, came Ola Cyrus.
Speaker 1: But I was so intrigued, really intrigued by you.
Speaker 2: I obviously did not and so did the rain drops
Speaker 2: and a lot of people who you know, watch the show.
Speaker 1: I never felt like I knew you.
Speaker 2: And what I want to do, really briefly is I
Speaker 2: want to get to know you because, like you just said,
Speaker 2: you are an athlete, So like, talk to me about
Speaker 2: your childhood where you like the girl that the volleyball, cheerleading, basketball,
Speaker 2: all those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's like, let's bring it all the way back.
Speaker 3: Let's start from like the very beginning. So I'm biracial.
Speaker 3: I was put up for adoption when I was born.
Speaker 3: My mother's Dutch, my pological father's Nigerian, and I've never
Speaker 3: met them, so they put me up for adoption when
Speaker 3: I was born. I've never met them, so they put
Speaker 3: me it for adoption when I was born. I was
Speaker 3: adopted at two weeks old by a Dutch Indonesian family.
Speaker 3: So I grew up, you know, it was a biracial
Speaker 3: girl in an Asian household. And then my parents got
Speaker 3: divorced when I was ten, so I was raised by
Speaker 3: my mom, by a single mother. She raised me and
Speaker 3: my two sisters. I grew up in a very small
Speaker 3: farm town about an hour outside of Vancouver in Canada.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was super into sports. I started running
Speaker 3: track when I was five. I did that all the
Speaker 3: way up to high school and then switched over to
Speaker 3: like basketball, Yes, volleyball, like all the things, but basketball
Speaker 3: was my primary sport and I played that through high school.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I played in college as well, and
Speaker 3: that was really my vehicle to you know, get my degree.
Speaker 3: I got my bachelor's degree in nursing. You know, because
Speaker 3: I didn't grow up with a lot right Like, I
Speaker 3: wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I
Speaker 3: had to work really hard and make really good decisions
Speaker 3: to be where I am now. So played basketball in college,
Speaker 3: got my nursing degree. I moved to la six months
Speaker 3: after I graduated, and then I became a CRNA, met
Speaker 3: my husband, who was an NFL player. We got married
Speaker 3: for children. Later we started a nonprofit foundation to help
Speaker 3: youth and underserved communities. And then I was out of
Speaker 3: the blue, asked of me on a reality show. So
Speaker 3: there you go in a nutshell, that's Anna Marie.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So one of the biggest things that you just said
Speaker 2: that really really makes me understand you more too, is
Speaker 2: the fact that you never met your biological parents and
Speaker 2: being a biracial girl growing up in a pretty much
Speaker 2: an Asian family, right, yeap. What was that like for
Speaker 2: you in terms of your identity? Were you aware that
Speaker 2: you were black biracial? Was that confusing for you at all?
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked that it was. I was
Speaker 3: always the anomaly. I was always the girl that was different.
Speaker 3: I never quite fit in anywhere. There were not a
Speaker 3: lot of black people where I was from, so I
Speaker 3: was always the only black person, and you know, it
Speaker 3: was it was hard like not seeing people that look
Speaker 3: like me. And I think that was, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of one of the factors for me moving down here
Speaker 3: as well, because I didn't want to always be different.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to always have to explain everything from
Speaker 3: from the smallest things to like why do you wrap
Speaker 3: your hair at night? To like, you know, why, you
Speaker 3: know I have a muscular frame. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit more accepted by like the black
Speaker 3: community maybe as an athlete. And so, yeah, it was,
Speaker 3: it was. It was hard. I struggled with my identity
Speaker 3: a lot growing up, and then even when I moved here,
Speaker 3: you know, I felt like I wasn't black enough for
Speaker 3: the black girls, but I wasn't white enough for the
Speaker 3: white girls. So I was always kind of this other category.
Speaker 3: And you know, I just eventually, you know, matured and
Speaker 3: got to this age and this space in my life
Speaker 3: where I just really came into my own and became
Speaker 3: comfortable with who I am and just kind of embraced
Speaker 3: it and was like, you know what, I'm not like
Speaker 3: anybody else, and that's okay, That's what makes me me,
Speaker 3: That's what makes me unique, and I'm going to celebrate that.
Speaker 3: You Know, my husband, one of the things that he
Speaker 3: told me when we first met, and I'll never forget this,
Speaker 3: he's like, you need to always be your own biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 3: He's like, no one should cheer louder for you than yourself,
Speaker 3: and I've always carried that with me.
Speaker 2: Did you have any black women that were like your mentors,
Speaker 2: who can like educate you, like you said, this stuff
Speaker 2: like wrapping your hair at I and just like the
Speaker 2: applies that black women go through.
Speaker 1: No, no, I did it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Vancouver at that time, I think
Speaker 3: there were was maybe one black hair salon, but you
Speaker 3: know it was like two hours away from where I lived.
Speaker 3: So my mom, she used to do my hair when
Speaker 3: I was little. I remember sitting there in the middle
Speaker 3: of the kitchen her doing my hair. It's so funny.
Speaker 3: I posted about it this morning, actually, and I hated it.
Speaker 3: I hated it so much. Both of my sisters one
Speaker 3: is Dutch Indonesian, one's half Filipinos, so you know, they've
Speaker 3: got really straight, dark hair, and so you know, they're
Speaker 3: outside playing in the sandbox doing all the things. I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there in the kitchen getting my hair done and
Speaker 3: just wishing that I had hair like my sisters and
Speaker 3: like the rest of my family. So no, I didn't
Speaker 3: learn to wrap my hair until maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Like I just there was there was no one ten
Speaker 3: years ago, Carlos. There were just that's that was not
Speaker 3: my upbringing. There was there was not a black community
Speaker 3: for me. When I started running track when I was twelve,
Speaker 3: there was, you know, another black family who lived in
Speaker 3: another city, and my mom and her bonded over my
Speaker 3: hair actually, and so my used to drive me to
Speaker 3: her house about an hour away, and this woman was
Speaker 3: so kind she used to braid my hair for me.
Speaker 3: So I started getting my hair braided when I was
Speaker 3: I think thirteen years old, and that was, you know,
Speaker 3: my introduction to that. But that's kind of where that
Speaker 3: was the extent of it. And then when I went
Speaker 3: to college and Vancouver, I started driving over the border
Speaker 3: to Seattle to black hair salons, and you know that's
Speaker 3: when I was introduced to like hair extensions and all
Speaker 3: those kinds of things. And then you know, I moved
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles shortly after that, and then you know,
Speaker 3: my brain just went like whoa, because it was just
Speaker 3: it was a whole new world of stuff and I'm
Speaker 3: like wow, Like I was like a sponge just like
Speaker 3: absorbing all this black culture that I didn't grow up with,
Speaker 3: and I was just so so curious to learn. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it was moving here was a very very big learning
Speaker 3: experience for me.
Speaker 2: Do you have any desire to find and your biological parents?
Speaker 3: So I didn't. Growing up, my older sister was also adopted.
Speaker 3: She's half Indonesian and half Caucasian, and she's four years
Speaker 3: older than me, and she didn't have any desire to
Speaker 3: so I think because she didn't, I just kind of
Speaker 3: followed suit, like, Oh, my big sister doesn't care, so
Speaker 3: I don't care either, Like, and my family is wonderful.
Speaker 3: I grew up in the most loving, huge Indonesian family,
Speaker 3: just the most amazing, loving family. So no, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't really care. And then as time has kind
Speaker 3: of gone on and I lost my mother this past year.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 3: After that happened, I've my curiosity is kind of grown.
Speaker 3: And my older sister in I guess about three months
Speaker 3: ago now, after our mom passed, she became more curious
Speaker 3: and she had sent away for additional adoption paperwork that
Speaker 3: I didn't even know existed. And the paperwork contained her
Speaker 3: biological father's name in it, and she actually found him
Speaker 3: on Facebook, so she reached out. The craziest story. They
Speaker 3: were both separately married, her parents they conceived her broke
Speaker 3: up gave her up for adoption. A year later, they
Speaker 3: got back together and they've been together for forty years.
Speaker 3: So she just reckoned. She just found them. So she has,
Speaker 3: you know, her parents are together, she has four brothers
Speaker 3: and sisters. Everyone in her biological family has you know,
Speaker 3: fully embraced her. She has this whole It's like a
Speaker 3: puzzle piece that she's had put back into place. So
Speaker 3: that happening for her has sorry, it has made me
Speaker 3: feel that void in my life. And then there's this
Speaker 3: story that I actually told Erica and Dreet when we
Speaker 3: were in Spain at the Pia dinner. I have a
Speaker 3: friend here in La that lives in this gated community
Speaker 3: and oh thank you O, my God, like all the
Speaker 3: real stuff. So who lives in this community? And one
Speaker 3: day I was visiting her house and the security guard
Speaker 3: and I were chit chatting on my way in and
Speaker 3: he's Congolese and he's like, sister, where are you from?
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I'm half.
Speaker 3: Nigerian and he's like, okay, well, like have you been
Speaker 3: And I said no, I haven't. I was like, I
Speaker 3: was adopted. I don't know much about the culture, and
Speaker 3: I don't know my family. There and he said, you
Speaker 3: were adopted and you're Nigerian. And he said, who's night
Speaker 3: and your mom or your dad? And I said my
Speaker 3: biological father and he said, you need to find him.
Speaker 3: He said he doesn't know you exist. He said biological
Speaker 3: men are biological or sorry, he said, Nigerian men don't
Speaker 3: leave their children. You need to find him because he
Speaker 3: doesn't know that you exist. So, and you know, Dare
Speaker 3: and Eric were, you know, they were so awesome when
Speaker 3: I told him this. They were so supportive and so loving.
Speaker 3: So that in combination with my older sister just finding
Speaker 3: her biological family and my mother passing so suddenly, it
Speaker 3: really does feel like I have this huge void in
Speaker 3: my life now. So I also sent away for the
Speaker 3: same paperwork that my sister did that and I'm waiting
Speaker 3: for it to come back now, and I'm hoping that
Speaker 3: there is, you know, a name or something in it
Speaker 3: additional that you know, can hopefully lead be in that
Speaker 3: direction to try to find him. The paperwork that I
Speaker 3: do have currently, my biological mother had expressed in it
Speaker 3: that she didn't want me to try to reach out
Speaker 3: to her or try to find her at all. She
Speaker 3: just believed that she wasn't equipped, you know, at the
Speaker 3: time to take care of a child, which you know,
Speaker 3: I fully understand and I fully respect, but because it
Speaker 3: doesn't have any mention of him, it does make me
Speaker 3: wonder if he knows that I exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's deep because obviously it was also an
Speaker 2: interracial relationship and we don't know what that was like
Speaker 2: for your mom to deal with in her household with
Speaker 2: her parents, and whether or not, you know, getting pregnant
Speaker 2: by a black man something that just was was very
Speaker 2: taboo at the time. We just don't know. But the spirit,
Speaker 2: I'm very spiritual. The spirit that I'm feeling right now
Speaker 2: is I also agree with him that I don't think
Speaker 2: your father knows and listen, everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 2: That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Absolutely, And I
Speaker 2: think your visibility right now could also include you reconciling
Speaker 2: with your biological dad and having that relationship and the
Speaker 2: story I want to share with you, and I'll move
Speaker 2: on from this after that.
Speaker 1: But my Miami realtor, her name is Aja Crowder.
Speaker 2: She's married to Channing Crowder, who has a podcast, and
Speaker 2: she recently met her biological father a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And he now works for her brokerage.
Speaker 2: They're super closed and you know, like she's like our
Speaker 2: age knows, you know, and she's just like she had
Speaker 2: to find him and.
Speaker 1: Is beautiful to see this adult.
Speaker 2: Rump woman have this and they're like this, they're like
Speaker 2: super tight and it happened the way it was supposed
Speaker 2: to happen. But my point in saying that it's never
Speaker 2: too late. And he's such a good grandfather to you know,
Speaker 2: his grandkids and they cannot get enough of him, and
Speaker 2: they all live in the same you know, community in Florida.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to share that to you so that
Speaker 2: you're aware that it's never too late.
Speaker 1: And my prayer tonight that I'll.
Speaker 2: When I speak to Jesus honey, because is I'm going
Speaker 2: to include you on my prayer list because I want
Speaker 2: that for you.
Speaker 1: And it's sad because.
Speaker 2: These are the things I wanted to see on The
Speaker 2: Real House Billy Hills, because you know, listen, I'm a
Speaker 2: huge fan of the show, and when you came on
Speaker 2: the show, I'm like, Wow, she's kind of like the
Speaker 2: most unlikable person on this I've ever seen on Housewise,
Speaker 2: like what is going on here?
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, I want to give sister
Speaker 1: a chance. Listen, what about black people? We're like, I'm alright.
Speaker 2: For you because when black people watch Family Feud, Yeah,
Speaker 2: well alert we group with the black people. We're watching
Speaker 2: family Feud for the black family, right, it is what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: We're like, you guys were running on one. Prove us
Speaker 1: right hard?
Speaker 3: Si?
Speaker 2: So right, how did you get the call to even like,
Speaker 2: did you audition casting tape?
Speaker 3: I didn't audition for well, okay, so this is how
Speaker 3: it happened, Kyle.
Speaker 1: So when we moved.
Speaker 3: From our old home to our new home two and
Speaker 3: a half years ago, we bought our house through the agency,
Speaker 3: right Mauricio's company. And then maybe so fast forward to
Speaker 3: the holidays. Right before they they asked me to come on. Okay,
Speaker 3: so December two thousand, what is this twenty twenty two maybe,
Speaker 3: and they had a VIP event or some of their
Speaker 3: clients at their home. My husband and I are running
Speaker 3: around the holiday scene doing all the parties and we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's on our street. They live on our street. So
Speaker 3: we were like, yeah, let's go drop by. So we
Speaker 3: go and they thought my husband was like hysterical because
Speaker 3: he has such a character and so they totally hit
Speaker 3: it off and I didn't even talk that much that night.
Speaker 3: And then so fast forward three months, Kyle sends me
Speaker 3: a message and she's like, hey, we just started filming
Speaker 3: season thirteen of Housewives and the producers are interested in
Speaker 3: talking to you. Do you have any interest? And I
Speaker 3: show this to my husband because I was like like what,
Speaker 3: and like what do I do with this? Because this
Speaker 3: had never been anything that was like, you know, on
Speaker 3: my radar, in my realm. You know, I was very
Speaker 3: happy being like a private person. My husband obviously is
Speaker 3: a public person, very happy being a private person, taking
Speaker 3: care of the home, the family, going to work, doing
Speaker 3: all my things. And I never really saw myself in
Speaker 3: that light. But and my husband was like, you know
Speaker 3: what I've been telling you for years. He's like, you're
Speaker 3: such a dynamic person. You're a multi hyphen it. You
Speaker 3: have this huge personality and a story to tell. He's like,
Speaker 3: I think you should do it. He's like, I think
Speaker 3: it would be a great platform to get your message out. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: I just want to inspire and motivate people. That's literally
Speaker 3: all I'm about. And he's like, I think this would
Speaker 3: be a great platform for you to do it. And
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, say yes, say all
Speaker 3: the yeses, Like why not? You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm in this point in my life, I'm forty one
Speaker 3: years old. Why not? So they called me like two
Speaker 3: seconds later, and then casting called me two seconds later.
Speaker 3: Right after that, I did my casting tape maybe two
Speaker 3: days later, and I was filming it within two weeks.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, So they had already been filming for six
Speaker 3: weeks when they reached out to me, and then so
Speaker 3: then I was just kind of you know, went in
Speaker 3: there week eight and yeah, so that was that was that.
Speaker 1: Did you want the show? Prior to being on.
Speaker 3: It, i'd watched maybe the first maybe like five seasons
Speaker 3: or something, you know, like way back in the day,
Speaker 3: like you know, before kids, before I was married, all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I hadn't watched it, and I
Speaker 3: don't know however many years so when they cast me
Speaker 3: and when they were working when my contract was being negotiated,
Speaker 3: I binge watched all of the last season because I
Speaker 3: was like, who are these people?
Speaker 1: What is happening? What am I about to do?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't know anything, So I binge watched it
Speaker 3: and then and then yeah, first night show up at
Speaker 3: Kyle's house for the wee dinner. So that was it.
Speaker 3: That was it. It happened very fast and fully, fully
Speaker 3: out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: What's funny is again me being a producer. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: see things that the audience may not always see, right
Speaker 2: for sure, So I knew the moment you were inserted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, nothing was happening the first couple of weeks clearly,
Speaker 2: and they needed a fireball to come in and to
Speaker 2: sort of like change the temperature in the room. Teddy
Speaker 2: Meller Camp is a good friend of mine. I've been
Speaker 2: on her podcast and she and I even talked about
Speaker 2: the fact because she filmed the scene that never aired.
Speaker 2: And what's funny is the scene she and I spoke
Speaker 2: about her podcast. She got into it with somebody. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Stady's back, and I'm like, girl, are
Speaker 2: you going to like Bee a friend of And she
Speaker 2: said they called me to come back, and I.
Speaker 1: Said, I need to get paid really, yes, didn't tell
Speaker 1: me that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yes, She's like, you know, and I was like, well, girl,
Speaker 2: nothing must be happening then. And then when I'm watching
Speaker 2: the show and I saw you inter the Weed dinner.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, And what I enjoyed about you is
Speaker 2: you did not seem intimidated.
Speaker 1: The camera does love you.
Speaker 2: You're very comfortable, and that's a very intimidating crowd to
Speaker 2: be around. I mean, to be at a dinner with
Speaker 2: Camille Grammer, Denise Richards and the beauty of you Anna Marie,
Speaker 2: you were sort of like the voice of the audience
Speaker 2: because you were like, Okay, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we talking? What exactly? Confused?
Speaker 2: Did you get inserted because nothing was happening and they
Speaker 2: needed to make sure that you came in and may
Speaker 2: shit pop.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to answer that, but you know,
Speaker 3: you've been in this space for a very long time,
Speaker 3: and they, I mean, they had a reason for having
Speaker 3: me come in mid season. You know, I don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what that is. I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 3: kind of think you said it well, like I think
Speaker 3: you know what the reason was, because I don't think
Speaker 3: they usually have people enter mid season unless there is
Speaker 3: a clear reason for what that reason was. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly.
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like you were there to fill
Speaker 2: a black quota.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Really I felt like
Speaker 3: going into it, I really thought that it was more
Speaker 3: of a family thing. Like I thought that they really
Speaker 3: wanted to show my life and my family, you know,
Speaker 3: because all the things that I kept seeing in the
Speaker 3: press when they found out or when it was leaked
Speaker 3: that I was going to be filming for the show,
Speaker 3: was about how she has this big, full life. You know,
Speaker 3: she has a famous husband, she has a career, she
Speaker 3: is a philanthropist with a foundation, she has four children.
Speaker 3: Like they just kept talking about this big, full life
Speaker 3: that I had. And so that was actually the reason
Speaker 3: that I thought that I was, you know, inserted into
Speaker 3: the cast, because I thought that they, you know, wanted
Speaker 3: to show a different element, you know. I thought they
Speaker 3: wanted to show somebody that, you know, could could kind
Speaker 3: of check a lot of boxes and fill a lot
Speaker 3: of spaces and kind of maneuver through the girls and
Speaker 3: the dynamics. Because I'm a people person, like I can
Speaker 3: get along with anybody, literally anybody. And when you say that,
Speaker 3: it seemed like I was really comfortable when I came
Speaker 3: in and I was at that dinner. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm around a lot of famous people, a lot, right,
Speaker 3: Like it is, it's never been about me, but I've
Speaker 3: always I've been around it for twelve years, you know,
Speaker 3: So it wasn't it wasn't an intimidating thing in that regard.
Speaker 3: And you know, going back to when we were talking about,
Speaker 3: you know, me moving here and me finding my identity
Speaker 3: and really finding my voice, like all that really really
Speaker 3: hard work that I had to do on myself really
Speaker 3: gave me a strong sense of who I am. And
Speaker 3: so there aren't many situations that I really feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: And because I've lived that, you know, I had twenty
Speaker 3: years of feeling uncomfortable and I'm like now I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm grounded in who I am. So there, So it
Speaker 3: was I didn't feel and I didn't feel or uncomfortable
Speaker 3: walking into that group of ladies, and I thought that
Speaker 3: I thought that that's what the show wanted to highlight.
Speaker 2: Well, now I was excited when you were announced because
Speaker 2: the thing about the show that I felt was missing
Speaker 2: is we want to see a wealthy black family, you know,
Speaker 2: black husband, black wife, black kids. That's right, you know,
Speaker 2: like we desire and by we, I'm speaking of the community, right,
Speaker 2: we decide to see, like we want to see a
Speaker 2: wealthy black.
Speaker 3: Fa you know this is this is Beverly Hills. Yeah,
Speaker 3: black wealth, minority. Wealth is everywhere everywhere. Yeah, because y'all
Speaker 3: are wealthy. Yeah, I'm also very humble. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: put that right out there, like I yes, yes we
Speaker 3: are wealthy, but I've I'm not the person that's going
Speaker 3: to be like, you know, I know this person, and
Speaker 3: I know this person, and these are my circles and
Speaker 3: this is what I have. Like you know, when we
Speaker 3: were when we were filming, like what is what's the
Speaker 3: most expensive thing your husband's ever bought you? And I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not going to answer that, do you know,
Speaker 3: because that's just not it's just not my personality, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? You can look at my
Speaker 3: lifestyle and you can see what I have, But I'm
Speaker 3: not the person that's going to be like, you know what,
Speaker 3: what's that? What is that thing? They say, like, h
Speaker 3: what is it? Confidence is quiet?
Speaker 1: Like something like yeah, no, it's it's yeah, it's somebody
Speaker 1: tell me mel.
Speaker 2: It's something like money's loud, but confidence is quiet. It's
Speaker 2: something along those lines. Whereas when you have a lot
Speaker 2: of money. You don't brag about it. It's sort of
Speaker 2: like if you can, you can. You can see when
Speaker 2: someone has it doesn't have to tell you, and when
Speaker 2: your confidence is quiet because people you know that they
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: And that's what we saw with you.
Speaker 2: And we have a mutual friend in comment because they
Speaker 2: had His name is Justin Goodron.
Speaker 1: I think he's friends with George.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, oh yay. Oh, I
Speaker 3: love him too much.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been For instance, I was an intern alabet
Speaker 2: back in like two thousand and like five.
Speaker 1: I can't and he and I are super closed.
Speaker 2: And he posted in his stories you had a premiere party, yes,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yo, you know them, and he said, Lows,
Speaker 2: they are good people.
Speaker 1: We're gonna I want to.
Speaker 2: I want the world to know because my mutual friend
Speaker 2: and his wife they were at your house and he
Speaker 2: said to me, prior to even us watching you on
Speaker 2: the show, He's like, you're gonna love them, Carlos, because
Speaker 2: they are good people and they're funny and they have it.
Speaker 2: So I want the world to know that there's people
Speaker 2: in my life who I trust that has.
Speaker 1: Said nothing but great things about you and your family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I that's one thing I will braag about.
Speaker 3: I'll brag about my family. Like are we we are?
Speaker 3: We are? We are? We are good people. My husband
Speaker 3: is the most intelligent, kind hearted individual I have ever met.
Speaker 3: Like he what he does for me, what he does
Speaker 3: for our children, what he does for the community, the
Speaker 3: kids that benefit from our foundation, all the kids he mentors,
Speaker 3: the kids he coaches. He is the most stand up person.
Speaker 3: And that's why I married him. I'm like, I want that.
Speaker 3: I literally I want to be like him, and that's
Speaker 3: why I'm with him. And I wanted that from my children,
Speaker 3: you know, again, not having you know, that strong black
Speaker 3: community growing up in I was like, there there are
Speaker 3: things that I can't teach my children. And I know
Speaker 3: that because I don't even know them yet. I need
Speaker 3: a man that is going to be so strong and
Speaker 3: so steadfast that he can instill in my offspring those
Speaker 3: things that I don't even have. That's why I chose him.
Speaker 3: But we we are. We are the people Like now
Speaker 3: that you're friends with my friends, we're friends. Like yeah,
Speaker 3: that's odd, seriously, Like you're coming over to play put.
Speaker 1: The wall tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Like that is that is the Wileys. We call our
Speaker 3: house Wiley's World. If we have mutual friends, you're my
Speaker 3: friend because it's like you're vetted, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And that's how we approach like everybody. That's
Speaker 3: why you won't find anybody that has that, anybody that
Speaker 3: knows us, you won't find anybody that has anything bad
Speaker 3: to say about it, because we pride ourselves on being
Speaker 3: good people because that's just who we are. We are
Speaker 3: very honest, We're very honest. We love having fun, we
Speaker 3: love people. We always have people over at our house
Speaker 3: like we just so yeah, I'll brag about my family
Speaker 3: all day. But you know, and going back to like
Speaker 3: the money piece and everything, it's like, you know, like
Speaker 3: I know billionaires who walk around in T shirts you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like you know you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you know, like the most famous people
Speaker 3: in the world are not doing that, Like why would
Speaker 3: I that? And that's just because it's my reality and
Speaker 3: so you know, when we're at the reunion, it was
Speaker 3: so funny when Andy asked that question. He was talking
Speaker 3: about Sutton's income from her her spousal support and then
Speaker 3: he's like, Anri, what do you think about that, and
Speaker 3: I was like, Andy, why are you asking you that question?
Speaker 3: He's like, that's what he does, but you know, and
Speaker 3: my answer was that, you know, like that's just not
Speaker 3: that's not what me and my circles do, cause it's like, why,
Speaker 3: it's your reality, So why would you do it? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, I don't know you can
Speaker 3: see it. If you can see it, then why do
Speaker 3: I have to stay with you?
Speaker 1: Honey?
Speaker 2: We saw it, But what we did see, Anna Marie,
Speaker 2: we did not get a chance to see any house
Speaker 2: reality with you.
Speaker 3: We did not.
Speaker 2: Were you taping scenes your husband and your family at
Speaker 2: home a ton that we just never saw a ton?
Speaker 1: Why weren't we able to see these scenes?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: When you talk about the fact that your announcement was leaked,
Speaker 2: what was also leaked were these uncoverings of people saying
Speaker 2: that your husband was saying transphobic comments. Did that have
Speaker 2: anything to do with these scenes being cut out?
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I'm you know, I am
Speaker 3: so happy to address that. And I also want to
Speaker 3: make it very clear that calling someone transphobic is a
Speaker 3: very hurtful, very disgusting, and very damaging thing to say.
Speaker 3: I'm not transphobic. I support the trans community, I support
Speaker 3: trans rights, I support women's sports. No one is transphobic.
Speaker 3: So we you know, we did we did film that, and.
Speaker 2: You guys filmed the conversation about the transphobic work we did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, really, yes, and I who all the ladies.
Speaker 3: It was all of us together, the housewives, all the
Speaker 3: housewives together. We filmed this, and you know, it was
Speaker 3: literally hours and hours of me being badgered and attacked
Speaker 3: on on this this topic. And you know, my my
Speaker 3: stance was, and I was very clear about it, didn't
Speaker 3: shy away from it at all, was that, you know,
Speaker 3: the issue arises because of the topic of transgendered female
Speaker 3: athletes competing in sports with cisgendered female athletes. And you
Speaker 3: know my husband's stance on it is that he, you know,
Speaker 3: is not in support of it. He's in support of
Speaker 3: their being safe spaces for everybody, and and I agree
Speaker 3: with that. And you know, so we we talked about this.
Speaker 3: You know, I said things like, you know, if you're
Speaker 3: comparing hand size, heart size, lung capacity, muscle mass, you know,
Speaker 3: all of wingspan, all of those sorts of things, then
Speaker 3: there is going to be an advantage in one over
Speaker 3: the other. And as a female athlete who played, you know,
Speaker 3: for so many years, I can I can see that
Speaker 3: and that's why, you know, that's why I say that,
Speaker 3: you know, And I brought up comparisons to them, you know.
Speaker 3: I was like, Lisa Leslie versus Lebron James, Lisa, I
Speaker 3: love you, brother, She's like a dear friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Lisa versus Lebron. Right, I was like, what's going to happen?
Speaker 3: Serena versus Djokovic? Right, what's going to happen? Like I think?
Speaker 3: And you know, they none of them were athletes, so
Speaker 3: it's hard to have It was hard to have that
Speaker 3: conversation with them in that regard because I think they
Speaker 3: were just so focused on how is the audience going
Speaker 3: to take this pandering? Right? It was. It was all
Speaker 3: about pander and virtue signaling. There wasn't any you know,
Speaker 3: rational logical conversation behind it, because this isn't something that
Speaker 3: they you know, they're just they just want to label
Speaker 3: me as transphobic like that that standing up for women's
Speaker 3: sports and believing that there's a biological difference if someone
Speaker 3: has gone through male puberty, that doesn't make me or
Speaker 3: my husband transphobic. We support the trans community, we support
Speaker 3: trans rights, we support women's sports. Right, you know, I
Speaker 3: had there's a there's a video of Serena Williams from
Speaker 3: years ago. She was on I want to say Letterman,
Speaker 3: and you know, she essentially says the same thing too.
Speaker 3: She was talking about I think it was Andy. Andy
Speaker 3: Murray had asked her to play against him, and she's like,
Speaker 3: if I played against Andy, he would beat me six oh,
Speaker 3: six oh in like five to six minutes, maybe ten minutes.
Speaker 3: But like, you know, it's it's a difference. It's a
Speaker 3: different sport, right, men's tennis. Women's said, it's a different sport.
Speaker 3: She's like, they're stronger, they're faster, he would destroy me.
Speaker 3: I don't want to play with them. I don't want
Speaker 3: to play with I want to play women's tennis. She
Speaker 3: said this. You can google it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So, but this was pre this whole issue of or
Speaker 3: topic of transgendered females competing in cystendered sports, and so
Speaker 3: before it was an issue, nobody really cared. But now
Speaker 3: that it's such a big issue, nobody wants to talk
Speaker 3: about it, nobody wants to touch it because look what
Speaker 3: happened to us. We get labeled transphobic for doing it
Speaker 3: behind closed doors. Please trust and believe ninety percent of
Speaker 3: people think that way. It's just that we live in
Speaker 3: a society where if you say things like that, you're
Speaker 3: going to get quote unquote canceled or labeled or something.
Speaker 3: People are so afraid of telling the truth and going
Speaker 3: back to who the wilies are? We are truth tellers,
Speaker 3: you know there are There is another housewife that that
Speaker 3: even agreed with me. We had this conversation and she agreed,
Speaker 3: she's she agreed with that stance. Oh gurse, I agreed
Speaker 3: with that stands she won't say it publicly, of course,
Speaker 3: but yeah, so you know. And then there was a
Speaker 3: whole nother issue also talked about that night, and something
Speaker 3: floating around from that that recent article saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're best friends with Candace Owens and let me we're
Speaker 3: gonna let's talk about that. I have never met Candace Owens.
Speaker 3: I don't know her. Remember years ago, when that campaign
Speaker 3: came out, there was a fashion designer, a fashion house
Speaker 3: that put out a campaign that you know, was basically
Speaker 3: theorized to be like a pedophile you know, a pedophile
Speaker 3: campaign and you know, I'm a mother to four children.
Speaker 3: I was I was outraged. I'm just gonna put that
Speaker 3: out there. I was absolutely outraged when I saw this,
Speaker 3: and I felt like there were a lot of people
Speaker 3: that weren't talking about it. I was, you know, waiting, like,
Speaker 3: where's the outrage. This is children we're talking about. This
Speaker 3: is not okay. And Candace Owens was one of the
Speaker 3: very few people that I felt like was actually speaking
Speaker 3: out about it. So I started following her on Instagram.
Speaker 3: And from following someone on Instagram to them becoming your
Speaker 3: best friend, it's a very very big space between there.
Speaker 1: Who labeled you and Candace Owens as being best.
Speaker 3: Friends when I started filming last year. It's like one
Speaker 3: of you know, the blog site or like I say
Speaker 3: it was it was written. It was a written article
Speaker 3: that said, like Anne Marie Wiley, wife of Marcella's Wiley,
Speaker 3: filming for Housewives, and he's transphobic and the Wileys are
Speaker 3: transphobic and she's best friends with Candace Owens. Like that's
Speaker 3: where all this stuff came from.
Speaker 1: This Someone on the show addressed the Candace Owens.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, then while Garcel kept saying, well, it was
Speaker 3: the candas o ones of it all for me. And
Speaker 3: when you see the new article that just came out
Speaker 3: a few days ago and with all of the quotes
Speaker 3: from Garcel and Crystal, which I found very suspicious. It
Speaker 3: you know, it went back to when we were at
Speaker 3: the reunion and when I, you know, called out the
Speaker 3: double standard or the hypocrisy of Garcel, you know, labeling
Speaker 3: to read a Karen because she used the word attack
Speaker 3: when she talked about her, And when I said, why
Speaker 3: is it that when Durte says that to you, it's
Speaker 3: not okay? And let me also say this. The first
Speaker 3: thing I said was that I agreed with Garcel. You
Speaker 3: should not call black women angry and you should not
Speaker 3: call black women aggressive. I said, I agree with that, Garcel.
Speaker 3: But I also want to point out this, Why is
Speaker 3: it that when Dree does it to you, it's not okay?
Speaker 3: But when Sutton does it to me, no one says anything.
Speaker 3: You didn't you didn't even say anything. You didn't you
Speaker 3: didn't stand up for me, and you didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: What does she say to that?
Speaker 2: Because I watched that ever she said, so she never
Speaker 2: never aired the comment.
Speaker 3: She that's what she said. She in that article, it
Speaker 3: says what she said. She said, Oh, you want to
Speaker 3: know why because as soon as I found out that
Speaker 3: you were best friends with Candace Owens, I decided I
Speaker 3: don't mess with you. You hear that, Bravo, You better
Speaker 3: leave that in Bravo. That's what was said, and you
Speaker 3: can read that in that article. That's coming from that article,
Speaker 3: and that's what was said. So again it goes back
Speaker 3: to her, you know, trying to be you know, I'm gonna,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put you out there as the other black
Speaker 3: woman who you know is best friends with Candace Owens,
Speaker 3: the woman I've never met before, because I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna power to the people that you know.
Speaker 2: Correct when you came on the show, do you think
Speaker 2: Garcel wanted to be only black woman on Beverly Hill's Housewives?
Speaker 3: I did get that feeling.
Speaker 1: Was she welcoming to you?
Speaker 3: She was? And then she wasn't. She was, And then
Speaker 3: as the show started airing and playing out, and you know,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I'm being portrayed in this light
Speaker 3: and I'm the quote unquote villain at least I think
Speaker 3: I was. Then she wasn't anymore. And then I think
Speaker 3: you know, that's what why you saw or sorry you
Speaker 3: didn't see, but that's why you're hearing now of what
Speaker 3: she said at the reunion, because I think now she's like, well,
Speaker 3: people don't like her anyway, so why do I have
Speaker 3: to stand by her? I don't. I don't need to
Speaker 3: stand by her. So and you know, she was very
Speaker 3: she was very quick too, and I don't. I really
Speaker 3: don't think she liked me pointing out that hypocrisy because
Speaker 3: I think that she's been able to get away with
Speaker 3: unnecessarily playing the race card so many times unchallenged because
Speaker 3: who can challenge her? Right? The other ladies can't challenge her,
Speaker 3: So I think that's been her play for so long.
Speaker 3: So then when I'm there and as a black woman,
Speaker 3: I can say, you know what, why didn't you speak
Speaker 3: out about my microaggressions or at least support me? And
Speaker 3: she didn't like that, right, she didn't like that at all,
Speaker 3: And so I think that that Sorry, I'm just like
Speaker 3: having a little brain fright here.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I think what you're saying is the
Speaker 2: fact that it was unfortunate because you came on the
Speaker 2: show and obviously you know there's another black woman there again.
Speaker 1: We the audience was excited.
Speaker 2: Yes, Garcell, you have somebody at least yes that can
Speaker 2: relate to you on these issues. And you're telling me
Speaker 2: that the stuff we did not see on the show.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes she never wants supported you.
Speaker 1: When it's yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean we had a great, a great meeting
Speaker 3: together at my house that we that we filmed, and
Speaker 3: it was awesome. You know, we we had all these
Speaker 3: things in common. We really delved into, you know, her
Speaker 3: when she moved here and what that was like for her,
Speaker 3: and when I moved here what that was like for her.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a lot of those sort of
Speaker 3: identity things in common. You know, it was a very
Speaker 3: unique experience for us, both moving here from different countries,
Speaker 3: and so I felt like we really bonded over that.
Speaker 3: But like I said, once the show started playing, she
Speaker 3: you know, she played a different tune and it you
Speaker 3: know when I was watching it back, and all the
Speaker 3: things especially that she would say in her confessionals.
Speaker 2: You know have co Garsell confessional gangsta, yes, but they
Speaker 2: were also like things on confessional but not to your
Speaker 2: face right exactly.
Speaker 3: But then it's like, where is if you're so pro black,
Speaker 3: where is your support for your sister that you were supporting,
Speaker 3: but now you're not behind her back?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Where did that? Where did that go? You know? Why
Speaker 3: are you trying to throw me under the bus with
Speaker 3: this Candace Owens thing that is fabricated out of nowhere
Speaker 3: when we've already discussed and you know that it's not
Speaker 3: a real thing. You know, where where are you supporting
Speaker 3: me when your best friend Sutton is you know, a
Speaker 3: week after we film the reunion using that exact same
Speaker 3: word attack again on Watch What Happens Live? You know
Speaker 3: it's the exact same thing. She should have gone to
Speaker 3: her friend Sutton and said Sutton not okay to say
Speaker 3: she's yelling at you and she's not Sutton. We just
Speaker 3: talked about this last week at the reunion. You just
Speaker 3: said that she attacked you on Watch What Happens Live?
Speaker 3: Like it's the same It's the exact same thing, but
Speaker 3: she only wants to call it when it applies to her.
Speaker 2: Are those women afraid to go against gar Cell because
Speaker 2: they will be called Karen's a racist?
Speaker 3: I would be if I wasn't black, I would be.
Speaker 2: You see that when you're filming do you see that?
Speaker 2: Do you sense that like they're there. It seems like
Speaker 2: and again, audience member here, it does seem like those
Speaker 2: women do not want to go against Garcel at all
Speaker 2: because they fear of being called a racist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I don't know that
Speaker 3: for sure. No one's ever said that to me, but
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, I would feel that way. And
Speaker 3: another thing from the reunion, if you look at all
Speaker 3: of Garcel's reactions to when Derey was speaking, you know,
Speaker 3: constantly talking under her breath and rolling her eyes and
Speaker 3: kind of doing like the snarky giggle, reverse those roles.
Speaker 3: If that was Deret doing that to Garcel, all hell
Speaker 3: would have broken loose. All hell would have broken loose.
Speaker 3: But she gets the pass, she gets to do that,
Speaker 3: and it's just again the hypocrisies, so many hypocrisies.
Speaker 2: Do you think one of the other reasons why you
Speaker 2: were cast is because maybe you could be the only
Speaker 2: one that could have an opinion I mean to Garsel
Speaker 2: and not be called out.
Speaker 1: Of their name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, absolutely plausible, because it's true. I could
Speaker 3: write and I did. I pointed out that it was
Speaker 3: a double standard, and she got really she got really
Speaker 3: angry at it. So but it is true. Like anybody
Speaker 3: can see that, right it is. It is true. You're
Speaker 3: calling it one side and not the other. That is
Speaker 3: a double standard.
Speaker 2: I want to get into Crystal for a second. My
Speaker 2: views as a viewer is that I also think Crystal
Speaker 2: panned pandas to the audience. Crystal, in my opinion, I
Speaker 2: don't get anything genuine from her as I watched the show.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really care about your brother and his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I don't care. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you what I care about again. Producer did nine
Speaker 2: seasons of Atlanta Housewives, two of Jersey, Like, I kind.
Speaker 1: Of know what I'm talking about here. I don't care
Speaker 1: about your brother and his ex girlfriend crying. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm gonna give a shit about that.
Speaker 2: You're a housewife and you're holding a diamond, so let's
Speaker 2: invest in your world.
Speaker 1: I really am.
Speaker 2: Intrigued by this marriage that she has. I think her
Speaker 2: husband seems like a great guy. I'm so intrigued by
Speaker 2: this so his life, you know, being involved in Lion King,
Speaker 2: and you know it came out that Crystal has this,
Speaker 2: you know, multi million dollar business with water. I believe
Speaker 2: it is, but we don't see none of those things.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious about how one person can lose fourteen
Speaker 2: friends within a weekend. I'm so intrigued by that. But
Speaker 2: I don't get any of those things from her. I get.
Speaker 2: I get phony baloney, and not Oscar Mayer. So, as
Speaker 2: you're filming with her and we saw seasoned, I want
Speaker 2: to address this as a.
Speaker 1: Viewer and a producer.
Speaker 2: I won thousand percent believe she called those women uneducated.
Speaker 2: I watched the show when Crystal, in her mind, is
Speaker 2: telling her truth. I do believe one hundred percent that
Speaker 2: Crystal did believe sudden walking to her room was a violation.
Speaker 2: I believe that because she has such passion for it
Speaker 2: that I was like, I didn't think she did intentionally,
Speaker 2: but Crystal is so believable in her passion. I'm ot
Speaker 2: at you, Sis, that's your passion, and I believe it.
Speaker 2: When you said, no, Sis, you call these women uneducated
Speaker 2: and saw all these things, she gave you nothing, And
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, wait a second, this woman is
Speaker 2: now pretty much saying things that could question your character.
Speaker 1: And you don't have anything to say. So I said,
Speaker 1: oh Anna, Marie's telling the truth. Girlfriend, she told you
Speaker 1: this right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Of course she did.
Speaker 1: What who makes that up? Like?
Speaker 3: Why already said, like, I don't I don't lie. Like
Speaker 3: you know, I made a lot of mistakes doing this show,
Speaker 3: but like one thing I don't do is I don't lie.
Speaker 3: Why would I make that up? And it's such a
Speaker 3: specific thing. So Crystal and I met around the same
Speaker 3: time Kyle and I met the Holidays, about three months
Speaker 3: before this all happened, and we met. We have we
Speaker 3: have a bunch of mutual friends, and we met at.
Speaker 1: A the fourteen she lost on the fourth, well, I
Speaker 1: know a couple of those fourteen two like one question
Speaker 1: that we'll move on. Is it true that some of
Speaker 1: those fourteen friends.
Speaker 2: Left her because when Housewives called them to do the
Speaker 2: show Crystal Carlos I heard allegedly that those fourteen friends,
Speaker 2: maybe thirteen or twelve of them were called to do
Speaker 2: the real house spots of Belly Hills, and that Crystal
Speaker 2: told them not to do the show. But when Crystal
Speaker 2: got the phone call, she never told those fourteen friends
Speaker 2: and she did the show anyway.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: You're very smart, You're very smart. Okay, yeah, continue, yep,
Speaker 3: you're very smart. So we met and our conversation went
Speaker 3: as follows. You know, our friend introduced us and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what do you do? She's like, I'm a housewife, which
Speaker 3: like she denied, well because like she's very she loves
Speaker 3: being a housewife. That girl loves being a housewife. Let
Speaker 3: me tell you she loves being a house It is her.
Speaker 3: She loves being a housewife.
Speaker 2: Okay, a housepot, but belly Hills, not a housewife inside
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 1: With the nanny.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like the show is like, is she this
Speaker 3: girl was gonna fight tooth and nail to keep her diamond.
Speaker 3: Let we we'll get into that. So she's like, I'm
Speaker 3: a housewife, and I was like, oh yeah, And you know,
Speaker 3: you go into the regular questions like are you guys
Speaker 3: really friends, like the same thing people would ask me, right,
Speaker 3: you guys really friends? You guys hang out all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And then she's like what do you do?
Speaker 3: And I said I am a nurse anesthetist, and then
Speaker 3: she kind of looked at me puzzled like this, and
Speaker 3: then I said I do anesthesia and then she goes, oh,
Speaker 3: She's like, my sister is an anethesioldist, and I was like, oh, yes, perfect,
Speaker 3: she'll know what I do then, because do you know
Speaker 3: what a nurse anesthetist is or a nurse anetheysiologist?
Speaker 1: You do me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 3: No? I know.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. We'll get into that.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that too. So that's a whole as
Speaker 3: you saw, that's a whole nother can of worms. So
Speaker 3: that was that conversation. And then so then you see
Speaker 3: on the show where she's like, well, you called yourself
Speaker 3: a doctor. She say doctor or antis olgist or something
Speaker 3: like that, and I was like, I'm a board certified
Speaker 3: nurse anesetis and like that's what I told you. So
Speaker 3: she made that up. And this is the funny thing too,
Speaker 3: is we've seen it. You watch watch the show. Right,
Speaker 3: as Denise said, watch the show, you can see when
Speaker 3: she you know, she's got that whole thing about her
Speaker 3: fourteen friends, she's got last season or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: where you know, she went a whole it's a whole
Speaker 3: season right of implying that Sutton was racist because she
Speaker 3: said something so dark, she left He's that Sutton was
Speaker 3: so racist for a year and then finally said, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just a feeling like that. And then now this
Speaker 3: thing with me misrepresenting my title, so now let's go
Speaker 3: into this. She she really she knew that her time
Speaker 3: was like, you know, getting cut short. She needed to
Speaker 3: really bring it and she you know, who better to
Speaker 3: like go at than the newbie who? And I I
Speaker 3: thought that was my girl. Like, as soon as I
Speaker 3: got cast, got her number from a friend of ours,
Speaker 3: called her up. We had this like hour and a
Speaker 3: half long conversation. I thought she was like really going
Speaker 3: to have my back. I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 3: going to be so great, gonna have fun. We're gonna
Speaker 3: be like, you know, the little Spunky ones or whatever,
Speaker 3: and she and she was really helpful. You know. Before
Speaker 3: we were like going to the weed dinner at Kyle's house.
Speaker 3: I'm texting her what are you wearing? I show her
Speaker 3: what I'm wearing. Oh so cute? Yeah great, great great.
Speaker 3: We're in the cars outside waiting to go in. Yeah
Speaker 3: I'm here waiting, you know, we're you know, and then
Speaker 3: but what do you see in the confessional? Oh that
Speaker 3: bitch is nosy. I was like, we were just texting
Speaker 3: from the car, you know what I mean. So she
Speaker 3: was a very different person off camera versus on camera.
Speaker 3: So I was her opportunity to start that drama. So
Speaker 3: when she so, we're en route to Spain and she
Speaker 3: she told me that she said that, so that she
Speaker 3: this is what she said. I walk out of the
Speaker 3: Chanelle store. All the girls from the Shanelle store were shopping,
Speaker 3: and she's outside and production's out there and there's no
Speaker 3: cameras anything. I walk out and she's acting normal. And
Speaker 3: this is like halfway there. We're in like Heathrow or something. Right,
Speaker 3: She's acting normal and we haven't spoken since a week
Speaker 3: before at Duri's event when she called me a B
Speaker 3: word and accused me of title misappropriation and or misrepresentation.
Speaker 3: And she she's acting normal. I'm like, Crystal, like, what
Speaker 3: are you doing. I'm like, this is my career, Like
Speaker 3: this isn't funny, you know, And she's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's fine. Like Lisa Renna used to make up stuff
Speaker 3: all the time. It's totally fine. I'm just so happy
Speaker 3: because now I have a storyline, I have my drama
Speaker 3: for the year, and I'll get to come back next year. Verbatim, verbatim, verbatim,
Speaker 3: she said we would go to dinner that night and
Speaker 3: we would make up at dinner and everything would be fine.
Speaker 3: And she she never she just kept doubling down, doubling down,
Speaker 3: doubling down all the time, kept doubling down on it,
Speaker 3: and that so that when you see me like not
Speaker 3: being able to like let it go, when she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I thought she wouldn't let it go until pigs flew
Speaker 3: like because you're lying about me, and you admitted that
Speaker 3: you're lying about me for your benefit, and I trusted
Speaker 3: you was there were a lot of people I trusted
Speaker 3: in this process. I'm a very Canadian, Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm a very trusting person, you know, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't do people wrong in my life, so I don't
Speaker 3: expect people to do me wrong. My mistake, I should
Speaker 3: not have assumed that, But I why would I not?
Speaker 3: You know, why why would I assume that someone was
Speaker 3: intentionally wanting to do bad things to me, you know,
Speaker 3: or use me for their benefit? You know. But that's
Speaker 3: that's what happened. And she was, you know, she was
Speaker 3: also really the one that was like, you know, leading
Speaker 3: the whole oh you're transphobic thing, that narrative. She was
Speaker 3: the one who was like really pushing that as well.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I brought up to them, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, if you are so for this cause, I
Speaker 3: was like, do you know what happened today in Florida?
Speaker 3: And keep in mind this is a year ago, and
Speaker 3: everyone's like what?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, do you know?
Speaker 3: Since you want a virtue signal and pander so much,
Speaker 3: do you know what happened today in Florida? And I
Speaker 3: was like, there was an act passed today in Florida
Speaker 3: that a healthcare professional can can deny care to anybody
Speaker 3: in the LGBTQIA community based on their ethical beliefs. I
Speaker 3: was like, but you didn't know that, did you. You
Speaker 3: didn't know that because you don't really care, you're just pandering.
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I know that because I
Speaker 3: actually do care.
Speaker 2: There has been recently went on social media and we
Speaker 2: have seen him call Garcel she's a con in the
Speaker 2: word conflict confused, I mean confused.
Speaker 1: He he obviously.
Speaker 2: Feels strongly about your experience on the show, and you
Speaker 2: know the things that these ladies are saying.
Speaker 3: But but but also not really like it's even like
Speaker 3: I was he he's the guy like he's been doing this,
Speaker 3: he's been in this world for thirty years. Like he's
Speaker 3: like he's the one, he's the sounding board for me.
Speaker 3: You know. Even during this whole process, he's like, it's fine,
Speaker 3: it's TV. Like, calm down, it's TV. You're fine, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I think it was more
Speaker 3: it's just it's a husband defending his wife.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like he's not emotionally charged by it at all. He's
Speaker 3: just he's just a husband defending his wife. Which you know,
Speaker 3: that's what that's what they do.
Speaker 1: So here we are.
Speaker 2: This season is wrapped, I said him a podcast after
Speaker 2: watching part one reunion, I said, rain drops, I feel
Speaker 2: Anna Marie now, and I said, I feel horrible for
Speaker 2: you know, saying, like, girls, what was going on with her?
Speaker 2: I thought you were First of all, you have my
Speaker 2: complete condolence. Sys when it comes to your mom, thank you.
Speaker 2: I lost my mother. It changes you forever. Absolutely, the
Speaker 2: fact that it was filmed when you got the news
Speaker 2: and it wasn't shown, and your vulnerability was so beautiful
Speaker 2: at the reunion that I advocated for you to come back.
Speaker 2: I said, look, Carlos King can't even admit as he's
Speaker 2: watching the show, like I don't look I felt this way.
Speaker 2: But that's to me, Anna Marie. That's the beauty of
Speaker 2: being a viewer. How you're you know, you're only as
Speaker 2: good as your last episode for sure, right that that's
Speaker 2: the beauty of reality television. And I was telling my
Speaker 2: listeners that, you know, I want her to come back.
Speaker 2: I think she deserves a second chance. She's so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and she was able to show us a side of
Speaker 2: her that we just didn't see. And I said, and
Speaker 2: I felt like she wasn't given the proper setup because
Speaker 2: when a new beinters in the middle of the season,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of pressure because you're only doing that
Speaker 2: truly because nothing's happening, and it's sort of.
Speaker 1: Like, well, God makes some should happen, like you know, damn.
Speaker 2: So I felt that, well, maybe she'll get another season
Speaker 2: because we're able to see that.
Speaker 1: Did you think that as well?
Speaker 2: So you thought I'm going to give me another season
Speaker 2: after the reunion wrapped.
Speaker 3: I did, I really did. And for a couple of reasons,
Speaker 3: like you touched on, you didn't see me, you didn't
Speaker 3: see me and my family, you didn't see me as
Speaker 3: a mom. You didn't see me and my husband and
Speaker 3: our like hysterical dynamic. You don't see me at work.
Speaker 3: You don't see me working out, don't. You don't even
Speaker 3: see me one on one with any of the ladies.
Speaker 3: You don't see me at lunch with anybody individually. You
Speaker 3: don't see me bonding with anybody. You don't see me
Speaker 3: having fun with anybody. You don't see me. You don't
Speaker 3: see you don't see my personality, right, don't. You don't
Speaker 3: know my story? You don't You don't know where I'm from.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't know my mom just passed away.
Speaker 3: You don't know I have adoption trauma, Like you know
Speaker 3: nothing about me. So you know I did. I really
Speaker 3: thought that I would be back for another season. I
Speaker 3: felt like it would be really I thought it would
Speaker 3: be really redeeming, and I thought that it would be
Speaker 3: really fun because I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: went into this with two weeks in two weeks, didn't
Speaker 3: you know, didn't really have like a bear ring, just
Speaker 3: kind of like all right, let's go, you know. And
Speaker 3: so now that you've you know, you've done a season,
Speaker 3: you've done a full cycle or whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it. You know you you kind of know how
Speaker 3: it is. You know how it works. Now, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, and you know the kinds of things
Speaker 3: to advocate for yourself, to to put out there right,
Speaker 3: like I don't care about it's suddens esophagus. I could
Speaker 3: not care less, could not care less.
Speaker 1: By the way about.
Speaker 3: Okay see, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So then you really were mad, Like no, I'm because
Speaker 2: I'm a viewer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like listen, we like silly like beefs and
Speaker 1: but it was. And that's the thing is I think
Speaker 1: that's serious.
Speaker 2: So I went back then Nicole and who I Love
Speaker 2: by the way, and Tiffany Moon, and I was lying.
Speaker 1: The ASA, what is happening again? It was it was
Speaker 1: a funny housewipe y be.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been funny had it come
Speaker 3: from somebody like the Hilton or Sutton, right, But when
Speaker 3: it's coming from me, a black woman, I'm a black
Speaker 3: healthcare professional. We get beaten up all day long, beaten
Speaker 3: up all day it's not funny. It's not funny when
Speaker 3: it comes from me, right, It's not funny when it
Speaker 3: comes from me. That's why you know, I got Crystal
Speaker 3: was attacking my profession. Those other ladies you mentioned were
Speaker 3: attacking my profession. The ASA was attacking me. I got like,
Speaker 3: I got attacked from so many angles. And yes, I
Speaker 3: think it would have been funny had it come from
Speaker 3: somebody else, but not coming from a black healthcare professional.
Speaker 3: I am too big of a target.
Speaker 1: Never looked at it that way. If Kathy Hilton, who
Speaker 1: I love by the way, Yeah, she's hilarious.
Speaker 2: She's hilarious, if she would have said something about that,
Speaker 2: or because it's the shtick of it all. And that's
Speaker 2: why me as are like, oh this is funny, silly, whatever,
Speaker 2: because it's hard for me to take vitamins.
Speaker 1: That's how small my shit is. Yeah, So I never
Speaker 1: looked at it that way.
Speaker 2: Oh, girls, I have not. I did not have problems,
Speaker 2: not any one of them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I never looked at it that way. It wasn't what
Speaker 2: was said. It was the messenger. It said it was
Speaker 2: a black woman, a healthcare profession.
Speaker 3: And somebody who's new. And I don't. I don't have
Speaker 3: anything to balance it out. You don't know me any
Speaker 3: other way. You know, I don't. I don't have a
Speaker 3: personal story. You don't see me at home. With my family, right,
Speaker 3: So that's all you see. If this maybe if this
Speaker 3: was my second season and that happened, and you had
Speaker 3: already gotten a sense of who I was as a person,
Speaker 3: and then that happened, you'd be like, oh, this is ridiculous,
Speaker 3: but we love her because we love her kids or something.
Speaker 3: But we don't. We don't even have that. You don't
Speaker 3: have that. That's all you have. So it's like you
Speaker 3: have this black health care professional coming in there from
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, non stop, NonStop talking about Sutton's esophagus.
Speaker 3: Of course people were mad. Of course I hated it,
Speaker 3: trust me, like nobody hated it more than me. Every
Speaker 3: time I would, I would watched an episode, cringe, cringe,
Speaker 3: like it's still happening, it's still happening.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, you made iconic moment. The ratings went up
Speaker 2: this season, so thank you that.
Speaker 1: Listen. That was one of Sutton's biggest storylines.
Speaker 3: And you know another thing too, is like who started that?
Speaker 3: Where did that come from? Who brought it up? Kyle?
Speaker 3: Kyle brought it up at her at the dinner or
Speaker 3: the weed dinner at her house. She's the one who
Speaker 3: brought it up. It came from her, right, And but
Speaker 3: it only mattered when I talked about it. Even at
Speaker 3: the reunion, they talked about it, they talked about it
Speaker 3: came from Kyle. Kyle is the one who started that
Speaker 3: whole narrative. But it only mattered when I said it.
Speaker 3: And you know, there there were so many things that
Speaker 3: were said about a lot of people, right, like Sutton's
Speaker 3: eating Kyle's. You know, Kyle was body shamed and sober shamed,
Speaker 3: and they were talking about Suttons drinking, right, so many
Speaker 3: things were said. But everybody else has a what do
Speaker 3: you call it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: They they have what do you call it? Like? A
Speaker 3: like you know them already. Every everybody has a background already, Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 3: everybody's But no, they're just established as themselves to the viewers.
Speaker 1: This is the audience, but the audio.
Speaker 3: Everybody's established as as a person to the viewers. So
Speaker 3: they're saying something like, you know, like talking about Sutton's
Speaker 3: putting vodka in or coffee in the morning, like that's
Speaker 3: not cool to say, but we've seen all these other
Speaker 3: things about her and we love her, So that's just
Speaker 3: a drop in the bucket, whereas like my bucket is
Speaker 3: empty and that's all you see dropped in my bucket.
Speaker 3: That's it. It's all you see dropped in my bucket,
Speaker 3: you know. So, But yeah, it's you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of things happen, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of things that you know, I you know I, And
Speaker 3: I'll be the first to say, like, I hated watching it.
Speaker 3: I made tons of mistakes and you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Recently the Daily Mail reported that you were not being
Speaker 2: asked to come back, and Garcel and Crystal made a
Speaker 2: comment that you were allegedly leg go because of your
Speaker 2: right wing beliefs and that you are a Trump supporter.
Speaker 1: Are you a Trump supporter?
Speaker 3: I'm not a Trump supporter, you know. I When I
Speaker 3: saw that, it just it goes to show you how
Speaker 3: people can say anything they want to and it gets traction.
Speaker 3: We've never even had that conversation. No one's ever even
Speaker 3: asked me about my political views and beliefs. But for
Speaker 3: the record, I'm not a Trump supporter. But I do
Speaker 3: find it really interesting that they feel like they get
Speaker 3: to bully someone into deciding who they vote for. Like
Speaker 3: we're we're this is not a communist country, right, this
Speaker 3: is this is a free country. People can have the
Speaker 3: political beliefs that they want to have, and the fact
Speaker 3: that they use that as as a way to attack
Speaker 3: me and bully me is so it's it's just it's unbelievable. Really,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely unbelievable that we live in a day and
Speaker 3: age where people can be bullied for their for their beliefs.
Speaker 3: And again, you know, it goes back to that pandering
Speaker 3: and that virtue signaling. Ask them what they are, who
Speaker 3: do they support? I don't know, we've never talked about
Speaker 3: that before, but for them to just blindly say, oh,
Speaker 3: we're going to call you a mega Trump supporter.
Speaker 1: And let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 2: Right, this is a high affluent town, Billy Hills is right.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm pretty sure a lot of them are Republicans.
Speaker 2: And that's okay. It's so unfortunate because it's like, we
Speaker 2: don't watch.
Speaker 1: These shows to to care about that. Now.
Speaker 2: I watch the view to get my political information. I
Speaker 2: only want to know that I don't I don't care
Speaker 2: about what he does at home. I don't want to
Speaker 2: see Sonny Houston and her kids fight.
Speaker 1: I want to understand the political views of these women.
Speaker 1: We don't watch host wise who care about that.
Speaker 2: So for that to be a quote, it's sort of like, again,
Speaker 2: is this pandering to the audience.
Speaker 1: But what the thing that.
Speaker 2: I will say is a large part of the audience
Speaker 2: have said we don't care, right.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny since that came out, how many
Speaker 3: people have come out in support of that, saying good
Speaker 3: for you for standing on your beliefs and not being
Speaker 3: railroaded into just thinking or saying what everybody wants you
Speaker 3: to say, right, Like, thank you for being a woman
Speaker 3: with your own mind who actually speaks their opinions and
Speaker 3: doesn't just pander and say what people want you to say.
Speaker 3: Because I really think that that's the problem, people just
Speaker 3: bullying other people into doing what they think the masses
Speaker 3: want to hear. And again that goes back to the
Speaker 3: authenticity part. Just be yourself, be authentic.
Speaker 2: Right, How did you find out you weren't coming back
Speaker 2: to the Real Housewives of Billian They.
Speaker 3: Called me, The producer called you, uh yeah, huh.
Speaker 2: And just said we're going and we're yeah, like we're sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you were shocked.
Speaker 3: I was quite shocked. Yes, yeah, Like I said, I
Speaker 3: really thought that because I wasn't introduced. I wasn't shown
Speaker 3: apart from talking about sons esophagus that I thought that
Speaker 3: I would have, you know, another season to do what
Speaker 3: I thought I was brought there to do, which was
Speaker 3: to show Black Wealth a solid black, loving, happy, hilarious
Speaker 3: family unit. Right Like I really thought that that's why
Speaker 3: I was brought to the show. And so I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know they didn't show it here. So that's what
Speaker 3: next year is going to be about for me. It's
Speaker 3: going to be about me, me being seen and shown.
Speaker 3: And you know how I was so open and honest
Speaker 3: and vulnerable with the stuff with my mom and like
Speaker 3: all my adoption trauma and you know, wanting to find
Speaker 3: my biological father. Like that's that's really the stuff that
Speaker 3: I was wanting to show next year, and so that's
Speaker 3: why I was so I was like devastated. I was
Speaker 3: really really hurt when I found out I wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be coming back, because then I was like, well
Speaker 3: then why was I here? Right? Like, I don't care
Speaker 3: about science ofesophagus, So why am I here? You know,
Speaker 3: I like I have this. I'm such a happy person,
Speaker 3: you know I am. I really stand for authenticity and
Speaker 3: truth and positivity and supporting people and motivating people and
Speaker 3: inspiring people. And that is what I will always make
Speaker 3: sure is put out when it has to do with
Speaker 3: me going forward, because I feel like my life story
Speaker 3: is too important, you know, and I won't I won't
Speaker 3: do anything that doesn't that doesn't serve me in that way.
Speaker 3: So I, like I said, I was really excited to
Speaker 3: show to show people that representation of Beverly Hills a reputation,
Speaker 3: a representation of a strong, wealthy black family unit that
Speaker 3: they've never seen before.
Speaker 1: So what's next for you? Because everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: Everything happens for a reason, absolutely, And you know, in
Speaker 3: light of that another you know, you can call it
Speaker 3: an attack, you can call it bullying. That that stuff
Speaker 3: in the daily mail, with the quotations from Garcela and
Speaker 3: Crystal all over the place. You know, I really feel
Speaker 3: like it was my mom. I feel like it was
Speaker 3: my mom. I think she was protecting me because I think,
Speaker 3: you know, once you're kind of in the machine, you're like, no,
Speaker 3: I need to make it better. I need to. I
Speaker 3: need to fix it. I need to fix it. I
Speaker 3: need to make it better. I need to. I need
Speaker 3: people to see me, you know, and so I don't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have saved myself. If they had invited me back,
Speaker 3: I would have gone back. And I think it was
Speaker 3: my mom intervening and saying like, honey, you're not good
Speaker 3: for this, like this is this, You're not good for this, honey.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: But I have a lot of plans. This this is
Speaker 3: You'll see, You'll see. I have a lot of plans.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of things going on, and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I just I want to do all
Speaker 3: the things that align with who I am. Positivity, truth, authenticity, inspiration, motivation.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been through so much in my life
Speaker 3: and to be where I am now and have this
Speaker 3: amazing life that I'm so proud of and so lucky
Speaker 3: and so blessed to have. I just want other people
Speaker 3: to know that they can do it too. You know,
Speaker 3: they can do it too. You just need to have
Speaker 3: the right people around you, good support of loving people
Speaker 3: around you, and make good decisions, work hard, and you
Speaker 3: can make anything you want happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe that. And the thing is this,
Speaker 2: there's more for you to do. You are such a
Speaker 2: beautiful moment, beautiful spirit. You're very smart, You're accomplished, and
Speaker 2: one thing I would like for you to do because
Speaker 2: when a reality star is not asked to come back,
Speaker 2: they feel like they have to rush and do something right.
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that you are figuring things out.
Speaker 2: You know, you got some irons in the fire, which
Speaker 2: is great. But I would love for you to, like
Speaker 2: you said, your mom is guiding you. Because our mother
Speaker 2: is in heaven. They are our guardian angel. And if
Speaker 2: you sit still and you you what I want you
Speaker 2: to do is to be still and to allow your
Speaker 2: mom to guide you, because that's why she's in heaven.
Speaker 2: She's in heaven to guide you and your sisters. Absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 2: you have to sit still and listen to the voices
Speaker 2: because I do that all the time with my mom.
Speaker 2: I talk to her every single day and she guides me.
Speaker 2: She told me, like, girl, don't be doing that.
Speaker 1: She calls me girl, Hey, Mom, You're not like girl,
Speaker 1: what are you doing?
Speaker 2: So I would love for you to listen to the
Speaker 2: the voices and to be still. And it's unfortunate because
Speaker 2: I really want you to come back.
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 2: Talking to Gerdy from Miami Housewives recently and There's a
Speaker 2: friend of named key Key Bart who is so funny,
Speaker 2: and I was saying to her, like, people always say,
Speaker 2: like there has to be one black girl on the show,
Speaker 2: and she is like, I hate that, Like, no one
Speaker 2: says there has to be one white woman on the show.
Speaker 2: It's always the minorities. And you are such a great
Speaker 2: juxtaposition of Garcell and the best way possible in the
Speaker 2: sense of we get to see another side of the
Speaker 2: black experience in Beverly Hills, and I feel sad for
Speaker 2: us as a community that we won't be able to
Speaker 2: see that. So obviously, when you're not coming back.
Speaker 1: You are a large part of the.
Speaker 2: Storyline this season, So I want to congratulate you on
Speaker 2: the ratings increasing and being the most watched season since
Speaker 2: my season of The Real Housewise at Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Without you being there, what do you think these girls'
Speaker 2: storylines are going to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, Crystal's never had one, so without me,
Speaker 3: she's definitely not gonna have one at all. I hope that,
Speaker 3: you know, I hope for Kyle that she I really
Speaker 3: hope she finds peace, you know, whether her and Mauricio
Speaker 3: make it or whatever. She chooses to do going forward
Speaker 3: that makes her happy. I just hope she finds peace
Speaker 3: me too, I hope to read in p k R Okay,
Speaker 3: I know they you know, they've been going through a
Speaker 3: rough patch. So I hope that they are able to
Speaker 3: keep their relationship together and strong. And I truly hope
Speaker 3: that she's not too, you know, emotionally scarred or damaged
Speaker 3: from being labeled a racist, because she's not. She's a
Speaker 3: really sweet lady. I hope that Erica she had a
Speaker 3: great season. She she I feel like she was shining.
Speaker 3: Her performance was amazing. She's revitalized her career. So I
Speaker 3: just hope she keeps going along that path. And just
Speaker 3: hope she just keeps shining. Sudden, you know, I hope
Speaker 3: her and her horse are good her, you know, find
Speaker 3: a man, keep going with your hobby shop, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to do, not the dating app and garcel. You know,
Speaker 3: I hope she. I hope she stops leaning into, you know,
Speaker 3: being a bully, because I don't think being a bully
Speaker 3: is a good look for her. So I hope that
Speaker 3: she kind of backs away from that a bit. And
Speaker 3: you know, I hope that she finds love because she
Speaker 3: just keeps talking about her husband from like thirteen years
Speaker 3: ago or whatever, so you know, I I think that
Speaker 3: would be nice for her.
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