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Speaker 1: Let the grind begin. Training camp begins this weekend. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Big Book kick Off. I've right here on Giants

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Speaker 1: being with us. We'll take your calls and your tweets

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Speaker 1: later on in the show, but we're gonna lead off

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Speaker 1: with a good way to start off the unofficial beginning

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Speaker 1: of the two thousand nineteen season by doing a little

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Speaker 1: preview of not only the Giants, but going around the

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Speaker 1: league as well. And for that we're joined. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by one of the better analytical minds in the pro

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Speaker 1: football and that is Warren Sharp, and he has his

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Speaker 1: new book, The two thousand and nineteen Season Preview by

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Speaker 1: Warren Sharp. Warren, thanks so much for being part of

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Speaker 1: the show. Second straight, you've joined us. Before we get started.

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Speaker 1: Want to tell the folks about your book and where

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Speaker 1: they can find it. Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys.

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Speaker 1: You can find my book up at a pdf version

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Speaker 1: at Sharp football Analysis dot com and they also sell

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Speaker 1: the printed version at Amazon dot com and it's just

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Speaker 1: called the Warren Sharps twenty nineteen football preview. Awesome Warren

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Speaker 1: By the way, um our analytics guy upstairs, John Burger

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Speaker 1: wanted me to pass on his regards to you and

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Speaker 1: said he thought you did a real nice job talking

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Speaker 1: at the Sloane Conference. Did you enjoy doing that? I did? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of fun. Uh my first opportunity

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Speaker 1: and share some of the insights and research and talk

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Speaker 1: about the direction that we're headed with analytics into the

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Speaker 1: future of studying the NFL. Well, why don't we start

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Speaker 1: broadly there? Um, what are some of the things that

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Speaker 1: you think NFL teams have done a good job catching

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Speaker 1: onto and what are you moving on to? What's what's

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Speaker 1: your next step here that things that you're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out that NFL teams can use to maximize their talent. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think they're doing a good job of passing the

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Speaker 1: ball more because it is a more efficient play hall

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know they started to do that over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, even even a little bit

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Speaker 1: more on first down, which the floor has risen on

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Speaker 1: those passages dramatically. And by that I mean the worst

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Speaker 1: thing that could happen on those passes. Of course, apart

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Speaker 1: and the completion rate on those first down passes has

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Speaker 1: increased dramatically over the last several years, making it a

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Speaker 1: more efficient play for these teams to call. And we've

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Speaker 1: definitely seen more teams take advantage of that um but

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Speaker 1: there's still a long way to go. More teams should

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Speaker 1: be passing even more often than they currently are. More

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Speaker 1: teams should be throwing the football to their running backs

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Speaker 1: on early downs as opposed to waiting to third down

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Speaker 1: to throw the football to running backs. While more teams

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Speaker 1: are passing the ball more often, uh they're using they're

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Speaker 1: doing it uncreatively. They're primarily just trotting out eleven personnel,

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Speaker 1: which is three wide receivers. So the rate of passes

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Speaker 1: from eleven personnel has increased, but the rate of success

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Speaker 1: and yards per attempt me passed the ball out of

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Speaker 1: twelve or twenty one personnel, keeping a little bit more

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Speaker 1: disguise towards the run, But then throwing from those personnel

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Speaker 1: groupings has a higher upside, So more teams need to

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Speaker 1: try to be creative with their personnel groupings when they're

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Speaker 1: passing the football. So those are a few of the

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Speaker 1: like the basic things. Um, there's some more detailed things

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Speaker 1: but uh, that's high level, I think, and and the

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Speaker 1: stuff is very complicated. I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I enjoyed about when I scanned through your your stuff, Warren,

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Speaker 1: was that your graphs and your charts their color coded. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're very nice to look at and a lot easier

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Speaker 1: very detailed numbers and and they're very detailed categories, and

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Speaker 1: it could be it could be tough to decipher that

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Speaker 1: stuff if it's just in black and white. But you

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Speaker 1: do a very nice job with your layout. John's holding

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Speaker 1: really I commend you on that because the presentation, in

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Speaker 1: lot of energy. Well I really appreciate you saying that, actually,

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Speaker 1: free to use analytics websites, which is sharp football stats

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Speaker 1: how people best retain and process information and what I

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Speaker 1: am covered with that nowadays, especially, everybody does it in

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Speaker 1: you Know that website, and throughout the course of this book,

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Speaker 1: from the book on is because it's in full color.

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Speaker 1: I can make fifteen dollars in the copies it was

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Speaker 1: in black and white. But UM, I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: understand that it is very simple to look at and

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Speaker 1: easy to read. But my question kind of builds up

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Speaker 1: what John was saying. I'd like to know, do you

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Speaker 1: think there is a mystery or surprise trend that will

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Speaker 1: I have a suspicion that when the charges went to

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Speaker 1: right here in East Rutherford. It is. It is something

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Speaker 1: that I'm very very intrigued by. Yeah, And and I

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Speaker 1: even more important for offenses to pass the ball out

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Speaker 1: You know, the defenses obviously are going to be Uh.

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Speaker 1: on early down success, Okay, Um, Staying out of third

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Speaker 1: the most important metric out there apart from avoiding turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Game doesn't it? Yes, exactly Um. But but from from

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Speaker 1: in your own division. The Philadelphias are really good at

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Speaker 1: that in two thousand seventeen, and that's what helped pul

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Speaker 1: tell them to the super Bowl. But that's something that's

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Speaker 1: not very repeatable. UM. And so the key is will

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Speaker 1: teams decide to go short on third and law so

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Speaker 1: that they can ultimately be able to find a fourth

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Speaker 1: dound conversion. We know that more teams are studying fourth

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Speaker 1: dound conversion numbers, and more teams need to attempt more

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Speaker 1: fourth dound conversions. But a way to get to those

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Speaker 1: situations could be a two step process on these third

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Speaker 1: and long situations. UM. And I'm intrigued to see if

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Speaker 1: more teams don't decide to do that. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: to really had a couple of these things back to

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Speaker 1: the Giants specifically before we continue on kind of the

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Speaker 1: broader analytic conversation worms. I think you touched on a

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Speaker 1: and they ran at and they passed out a lot

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Speaker 1: of those heavy formations, So I think that's a check

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Speaker 1: mark UM in their area. Two spots where I know

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Speaker 1: how they approach fourth downs one and then two. I

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Speaker 1: can maximize se kwonbar LEAs ability because in the first

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Speaker 1: how do they best utilize Barkley? And then what's you're

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Speaker 1: take in terms of how they approach fourth downs? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so I was really disappointed um with their aggressiveness on

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Speaker 1: fourth down. We know that more teams are trending in

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Speaker 1: that direction, but the Giants attempted just one fourth down

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Speaker 1: terms of their decision to go for it on fourth down.

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Speaker 1: So Patch Irmer and the crew need to study more

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Speaker 1: go for it on fourth down. And that would really

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Speaker 1: help the Giants feeling in nineteen if they were more

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Speaker 1: intelligent with their decision making process on fourth down. Your

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, um Barkley was drawing a lot of

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Speaker 1: third and long targets. The worst time to target a

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Speaker 1: likely position that's going to convert that first down. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the metrics show this to us, so it's not just guessing,

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Speaker 1: and and talented to say Klon Barkley. So they need

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Speaker 1: we never should do that. But uh, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: enough of a sample size now of the rules changes

435
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Speaker 1: that we saw last year on special teams, whether it

436
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Speaker 1: be the blocking schemes that they did away with last

437
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: season of course, the kickoffs and the touchback formations that

438
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. So there's enough of a sample size

439
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Speaker 1: now to understand, Okay, this is what it is. These

440
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Speaker 1: are the things that have resulted from it. From your analysis,

441
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Speaker 1: what has been the number one impact of the rules

442
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Speaker 1: changes on special teams, specifically on the kickoffs, by far,

443
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Speaker 1: by far, It is that coaches need to become more

444
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Speaker 1: aggressive later in games because and and I mean by later,

445
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Speaker 1: I mean start becoming more aggressive earlier in the games

446
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Speaker 1: because it's very unlikely that you're going to recover on

447
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Speaker 1: side kicks. The way that they've changed the kickoff rules

448
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: has made it much more difficult to recover on side kicks.

449
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Speaker 1: Um we've also seen the only successful on side kicks,

450
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Speaker 1: or most of the successful ones have not been the

451
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Speaker 1: kind that come down the sidelines, but other varieties of

452
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Speaker 1: on size kicks. So special teams coaches need to be

453
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Speaker 1: studying efficiency of the on side kicks and uh build

454
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Speaker 1: their own special teams when they're trying to recover them accordingly, Um,

455
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Speaker 1: not just doing things that have worked three, four or

456
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Speaker 1: five years ago, but what is more likely to work nineteen.

457
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Speaker 1: But if certainly you can't just play that, well, we

458
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Speaker 1: can get it to one score and then recover the

459
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Speaker 1: onside kick. And you know we didn't get the onside kick. Okay,

460
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Speaker 1: well that was our shot. And you really have to

461
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Speaker 1: be a lot more aggressive earlier in the games in

462
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Speaker 1: order to try to hope that you can get back

463
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Speaker 1: in a game that you might be trailing. All right, one,

464
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Speaker 1: I got two more before you say goodbye. One is

465
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Speaker 1: a pet peeve of mine and I want to know

466
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Speaker 1: how you handle it. I feel like a lot of

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Speaker 1: times in the analytics committee, which I'm generally speaking a

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Speaker 1: believer in, I feel like, sometimes it's easy to use

469
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Speaker 1: league wide data, but a lot of times, depending on

470
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Speaker 1: the teams in a specific matchup from game to game

471
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Speaker 1: you're talking about, the league wide data might not be

472
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Speaker 1: effective in suggesting a certain player strategy for those two

473
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Speaker 1: specific individual teams in that specific matchup in situation. So

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Speaker 1: when you go through this and you consider what teams

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Speaker 1: should do and how they should handle certain situations, how

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Speaker 1: much do you balance the league wide data with the

477
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Speaker 1: individual characteristics of certain teams. Or maybe one team is

478
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: really good shortyards offense, one team is bad short yards defense,

479
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: you'll be more likely to go for it on fourth

480
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Speaker 1: and short. You know, kind of things like that great question. UM,

481
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: So you know, naturally, I think coaches and coordinators need

482
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Speaker 1: to do this. UM, this is how I advise teams

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Speaker 1: that I that I advised during the season. UM. You

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Speaker 1: have to understand the principles of what wins football games

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Speaker 1: under today's rules. Construct you have to understand that really well.

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Speaker 1: You have to know what is the most efficient way

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Speaker 1: to win games currently, But then you have to adjust

488
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Speaker 1: and adapt for your own personnel. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: what we do league wide is we study trends, study efficiencies, UH,

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Speaker 1: study metrics, try to forecast, you know, what teams should

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Speaker 1: be doing in the future. Maybe they're not doing any

492
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: enough right now. Maybe it's something they haven't been doing

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00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: at all that they need to start doing. UM. And

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Speaker 1: so those are all by goal towards being able to

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Speaker 1: UM you know, optimize its general efficiency around the league.

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Speaker 1: But absolutely you must adjust and adapt to your own

497
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Speaker 1: UM skill set and strengths as and personnel as a

498
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Speaker 1: team any good coach will do that. UM, let me

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Speaker 1: give you one example. Frank Wich last year with the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Uh, he loves using twelve personality, you guys

501
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: know from his time in Philadelphia. So but Jack Doyle

502
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: got injured really early in the season and he ended

503
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Speaker 1: up trotting out. He didn't put his back up tight

504
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: in and just keep using twelve, even though we know

505
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Speaker 1: twelve is more efficient to pass the ball out of

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Speaker 1: I just told you the numbers earlier in this interview.

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Speaker 1: But what he did is he trotted out a lot

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Speaker 1: more eleven personnel. As a result, he's adapting. He doesn't

509
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Speaker 1: want to do this necessarily, but he's adapting to what

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Speaker 1: works for his team at that moment due to injuries.

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Speaker 1: So coaches need to do that. UM, this is the time,

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Speaker 1: you know of a year where they can study the

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Speaker 1: the players that they're going to make their roster, what

514
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Speaker 1: are their strengths and try to understand, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is the optimal way to win games. Here's how we're

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: going to tweak it a little bit to fit our

517
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: particular team strengths and weaknesses based upon personnel. All right,

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Speaker 1: one final question, and this to me is is kind

519
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: of the elephant in the room question that I don't

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00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: think we've quite figured out yet as an NFL community,

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Speaker 1: Because I completely agree with your pass on first down

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Speaker 1: more early downplay action at a big personnel, it's much

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Speaker 1: more efficient. But eventually there has to be some type

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Speaker 1: of line of demarcation where teams are passing enough on

525
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Speaker 1: early downs where defenses and defensive players will adjust and

526
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: play actually becomes less effective. Passing becomes less efficient because

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Speaker 1: they're not quite as focused on stopping the run on

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Speaker 1: first and tent. What do you think that line is?

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Speaker 1: What's the run past split where you stop gaining efficiency

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Speaker 1: throwing on early downs big as teams are more prepared

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Speaker 1: for those throws on first intended play action and they're

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Speaker 1: not quite as worried about you running the football. It's

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Speaker 1: another good question, and uh, the answer is we aren't

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Speaker 1: there yet, So it's hard to say what you know

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Speaker 1: when exactly we're going to get there because nobody has

536
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: ever gotten to that point yet. Um, it's always it's

537
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: still is more efficient to pass the ball on these

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Speaker 1: early down Um. The most efficient time to run the

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00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: football is generally speaking, short yardage and inside the red zone.

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Speaker 1: Now you certainly have a running back like se Quon

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Speaker 1: that in your team's particular position, you're going to want

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Speaker 1: to balance his usage in there, especially with some of

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Speaker 1: the lack of great dominant wide receivers that you have. Um.

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Speaker 1: That being said, you know, the play action games certainly

545
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: is still effective. At what we have learned from statistics

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00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: and analytics is you do not have to set up

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00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: the past with the run. UM. Play action will work

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00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: just as well in the first quarter as it will

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00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: late in games or the middle of the game. UM.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to establish the run in order to

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Speaker 1: get play action to work. As long as you are

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: calling run plays at at some minimal level, play action

553
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: is going to get those linebackers to bite um and

554
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and or hesitate, and that's all you need. That's the

555
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: sole purpose of hesitation or movement forward is the only

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00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: thing that you need those guys to do. And we

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00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: say with the player tracking data that whether it's the

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00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: first play of the game, the tenth play of the game,

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00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: the thirtieth play of the game, linebackers inherently caught with

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00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: play action because it's been in the mind through high

561
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: school and Prestidge and then into the NFL. It's very

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: difficult to break that when they see the quarterback, you know,

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00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: sticking the ball into the belly of the running back. UM,

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00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: So I don't. The answer is, well, not there yet.

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00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: We may get there, but I would actually, I would

566
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: be a prize if we ever got to the point

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00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: where teams are passing so much on early downs that

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00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: a run play becomes more efficient. It's it's unfortunate for defenses,

569
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: um that the rule changes have occurred such that it

570
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: just makes so much more efficient to pass the football.

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Speaker 1: But that's where we are, UM, the way that the

572
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: rules are set up, the construct that we're working with,

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00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: it's just more efficient to pass, and teams need to

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00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: um balance to an extent. I'm not suggesting passing every

575
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: single first and second down play out there, but balance

576
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: it and you know, find the mix that will work

577
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: best for your particular offense. As much as my partner here,

578
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: pauls A. Tino might not like it, we're not in

579
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties anymore. When guys are leading the

580
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: league with fifty completion percentage is just it's just not

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00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the way the league is anymore. And it's criminal. It's

582
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: flat out criminal. War and great conversation. I learned a lot.

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Hope our listeners and viewers did as well. One more time.

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Speaker 1: Tell the folks out there where they can find your work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. I love talking to you guys.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on Sharp Football Analysis dot com

587
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: if you want to buy the PDF copy of the book,

588
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: or you can search for it on Amazon. Great stuff, Warrant,

589
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: thanks so much. It begins enjoy about a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks before we can start analyzing the preseason football. All right,

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Speaker 1: but absolutely a wait, be good, take it easy. Thank you, Warrant.

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00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Sharp does an excellent, excellent job. Again, guys, you look

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Speaker 1: at his book. It is detailed as you can imagine.

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Speaker 1: It's about three hundred pages. If I'm not mistaken between

595
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Speaker 1: two big and it gives you a lot, gives you

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Speaker 1: some fantasy stuff if if you're involved in the other things,

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Speaker 1: you might have some fun on the side with football

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Speaker 1: over the course of the season. It gives you a

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Speaker 1: little bit everything. So excellent excellent reading. More and kind

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Speaker 1: enough to join us for the second straight here things

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Speaker 1: you might want to have fun with on the side.

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Speaker 1: Very well. Put you I'm not quite sure what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Two Old on nine four or five on three. We

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Speaker 1: will take your calls for the final twenty five minutes

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Speaker 1: of the show. Again, thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: on Big Blue kick Off. I hope you enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: interview with Warren, but now your calls the rest of

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Speaker 1: the way again to three hashtag giants chat on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and of course it's all presented by Corps Light. All right, Paul,

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Speaker 1: we have our first rookie practice tomorrow, which isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: be a hardcore out and out practice. It's I'm not

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna say glorified walk through, but it's probably not gonna

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Speaker 1: be even close to what we see, you know over

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Speaker 1: the weekend when the full roster gets here. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: veterans arrive on Wednesday. Rookie arrived today, We'll be arriving shortly,

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Speaker 1: I believe, and then on for a Thursday, we have

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Speaker 1: our first full blown practice, and I believe our first

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00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: padded practice is not until Sunday or is it even

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday? Our first pet of practice. Have they announced

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: that yet or not yet? I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: officially announced. And my take on today's I'm here every day,

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00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: I know you are. I'm just trying to get the

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Speaker 1: fans an idea of exactly what to do. If you

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: do have tickets to practice, by the way, go to

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: giants dot com and saying that tickets are sold out. Dave,

626
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: that's correct, right every day to practice. Yes, that's correct.

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: So make sure you go to giants dot com check

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00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: the schedule. All the practices the first week or so

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Speaker 1: are earlier in the day, but then we get to

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Speaker 1: after new practices later in camp. So make sure you

631
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: just checked out the timing on that. If you do

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Speaker 1: have tickets and you do plan an attending training camp,

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00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: you go to giants dot com for all the details.

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00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: So Paul John, hold on a second, but I just

635
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Speaker 1: want to make sure and let me break through the

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00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: wall again with Dave here. Dave, it was always my

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Speaker 1: understanding and I I said this two weeks ago on

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Speaker 1: the show, and if I'm wrong, I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure I get it out there now. Uh. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of times where people have training camp tickets

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Speaker 1: and they wind up not being able to make it,

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00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: and so there are a number of walk up people

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Speaker 1: who still still have an opportunity to make it. So

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Speaker 1: don't think that just because you don't have training camp tickets,

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00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: you can't get in, but there's a stress that there

646
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: is no guarantee you want to walk up that you're

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00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: getting in, so doesn't care, but you basically at your

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Speaker 1: own risk. Let's put it that standing remotely, Standing remotely,

649
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Speaker 1: I said, I used to talk about in the seventies,

650
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: the old days, But I mean, I just want to

651
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: make that clear because I know that a lot of

652
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: people I member when I was a kid and I

653
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: used to want to want to come watch. And you

654
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: hear sold out and you think, well, that's it. I

655
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: have no chance to go, and then you cry and

656
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: you get upset and you throw a tangent with your parents.

657
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: That may not be the case. You may still be

658
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: able to somehow get in. So I just want to

659
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: put that out absolutely and again, all the information you

660
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: need is on giants dot com. Make sure you go

661
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: check it out. And phones are open, folks. I see

662
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: a couple of ringing right now at four or five, one, three,

663
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: get in. We'll talk some Giants football, right Paul. Training

664
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Speaker 1: camp first practice on Thursday. Like I mentioned, what's the

665
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: first thing you're gonna be putting your eyes on. Well,

666
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, John Um because the first

667
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: practice is very light. As you said, the fully padded

668
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: ones aren't going to be for a few days in

669
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Speaker 1: I'm generally just gonna be looking at guys to make

670
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: sure that they're in shape and in condition, which the

671
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: coach and the training staff obviously are gonna be looking

672
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: at extremely carefully, because when guys come back and they're

673
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: not where they're supposed to be physically, it does give

674
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: you calls for concern. This Giant's team is trying to

675
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: make the next jump to being a playoff contender again

676
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: if possible this season, which means everybody on this roster,

677
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be on that fifty three, you've gotta

678
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: be committed. You've gotta be all in. You gotta come

679
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: ready to go first day of training camp that you're

680
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna be chopping wood and and you are going to

681
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: do everything you possibly can, because if this team doesn't

682
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: get max out effort from all fifty three on those

683
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: guys who they finally decide who's gonna be on the roster,

684
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: they're not going to make the next jump. They're just not.

685
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: The team is not good enough that they can have

686
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: anybody perform at less than peak efficiency. What competitions are

687
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: you keeping an eye on, whether it's for roster spots,

688
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: starting spots. You can't take that word compety Titian and

689
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: twist that. However, you want to give me an answer,

690
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I will say in the first few practices, before anybody

691
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: starts to hit, I will be looking at the receivers

692
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: and probably the safety because look, because there's very little

693
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: that you can see when there's no no hitting, and

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00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: the contact roles are different, so they can do more

695
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: than O T s and mini camp and stuff like that,

696
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Speaker 1: but not until the pads come on. It's almost a

697
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: continuation of that, and they're gonna try to rebuild build

698
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: these guys back up over the course of the first

699
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: few days of practice until you get to that first

700
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Speaker 1: pad of practice and you have their first day off,

701
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Speaker 1: which i next Monday. You told me I could change

702
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: the question a bit. Let me change the question. Can

703
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I tell you the guy that I'm really, really, really

704
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Speaker 1: looking on, the guy that I spoke of during rookie

705
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Speaker 1: minicamp and I said he is my undrafted rookie free

706
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: agent dark horse to make the team. C J Conrad.

707
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: I am staring at this guy with my but poculars. Okay,

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00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: I absolutely think he is a stud in waiting. He's going.

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Speaker 1: I really believe he's going to make the fifty three

710
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Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to see this guy get on

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Speaker 1: the field. I know he's a tight end, which means

712
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: at best he'll be third on the depth chart. You

713
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: know that Ellison and Ingram are gonna be one and

714
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Speaker 1: two or two and one. But I think that c J.

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Speaker 1: Conrad is a pro football player, and I just I'm

716
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Speaker 1: really really going to keep my eye on this guy.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the calls at two five, one, three,

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Speaker 1: And who better to start off the first week of

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Speaker 1: training camp than our buddy Charlie in Portland's Maine. Charlie,

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Speaker 1: how are you? How was your weekend? Hey? It was hot,

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Speaker 1: but it was good? Was it was? It just as

722
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: hot up there in Maine as it was down here

723
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Speaker 1: almost in a hundred, you know it was. It was

724
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Speaker 1: more like and so it wasn't as bad just two days.

725
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Speaker 1: So you know that's basically our hot weather for the

726
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Speaker 1: summer pretty much. Well you, oh, Charlie, it's got to

727
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: be hot when you can cook the lobster on your

728
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Speaker 1: front porch. I think they couldn't even make it to

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Speaker 1: the front board. Hey, um yeah, I think. Uh, I

730
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Speaker 1: don't know. I just think I think another guy, an

731
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent that you should watch for it I

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Speaker 1: think is going to make the fifty three is o'hagen.

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Speaker 1: I think the center, Um this, this dude is a wrestler.

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Speaker 1: He had incredible numbers in college. He was ranked I

735
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Speaker 1: think the top center in the nation, or at least

736
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Speaker 1: if he wasn't the top, he was next. So I

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Speaker 1: think I think if if Helpio wins it, I think

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Speaker 1: Pully's gone. I was, I wasna. The only way o'hagen

739
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Speaker 1: makes is that if they end up moving either Hallapeo

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Speaker 1: or Pulley. Yeah, that's what That's what I think they're

741
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: gonna do, is tell you true. I think that's going

742
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Speaker 1: to happen. And Charlie, don't forget Evan Brown. They had

743
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: him last year on the team. He didn't go practice squad.

744
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: He actually gone to the fifty three, and they really

745
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: like his potential. Don't don't count him out of this fight.

746
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's going to scrap and maybe there's room

747
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Speaker 1: on the practice squad for for the loser of the

748
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: battle between the two young centers. But I would be

749
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: surprised if both of those guys are Jettison, I really would. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And one of the other place that is really interesting

751
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: as wide receiver. Um, you know our third wide receiver.

752
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's on the team right now, tell

753
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: you the truth. I know you you get potential with Coleman.

754
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, got Latimer, but I just don't think the

755
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: guy that we need for our third wide receivers on

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Speaker 1: the team. So, UM, I wouldn't be surprised if we

757
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Speaker 1: pick up a veteran, somebody who's cut, who's had production,

758
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: and maybe he has a sun Steed, you know, somebody

759
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: like a Pattison that you know, he's you know, he's

760
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: not the greatest wide seever, but he's a guy that

761
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: can take the top off the defense and he can

762
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things. And I just don't

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00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: think we got that guy yet. Who's Patterson, Cortorel patter

764
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Coare Okay, he's one of a running back now than

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Speaker 1: a receiver the way the Patriots used him. Charlie, you know,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to go by your assumption, then we're

767
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: also going to have to believe that Coleman is not

768
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: going to step up as they hope, and we're going

769
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Speaker 1: to have to assume that Darius Slayton, who came on

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Speaker 1: very strong at the end of the rookie camp and

771
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer by the way, yeah, we're gonna have to

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00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: assume that those guys don't step up. And and you know,

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00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: to be perfectly frank with you, I think it's probably

774
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: better for the Giants if those guys do step up

775
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: than them having to go outside. Would you not agree?

776
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: John your Yeah, yeah, I agree, But I just don't

777
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna they're gonna step up. That's to

778
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: say hey, And the other thing is, hey, I hope

779
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doesn't sign. Then the controversy will be with

780
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: and we won't have to deal with it, and then

781
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: Elie is going to be our quarterback. So that would

782
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: be wonderful for me. Charlie, I can always count on

783
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: you for the unique perspective on things like that. I

784
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man. By the way, are you gonna come

785
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: down to Campbell one point this year or now? I'm

786
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: not gonna come down to camp but I think I'm coming.

787
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm coming to the Washington game, really coming to the Yeah,

788
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Lenn offered me a ticket, and uh, I'm looking at

789
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: fights right now. So it's looking good. So I think

790
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: that's the game. I'm going to time out, Charlie. What

791
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: section are you guys going to be in? We need

792
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: to warn those fans, I think, uh Lynn said one

793
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: thirty three that they're good. See. More importantly, I want

794
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: to send one of our audio guys who just record

795
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: that three and a half hours of conversation. Oh my goodness, Hey,

796
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: he said, it's the Verizon interest. Where are you guys

797
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: when you set up your stage? We are we we are,

798
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: we are at the Verizon game. But here's the thing,

799
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: and and and so here's the problem. Though, Lenn likes

800
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: to get into his seat so early to see warm

801
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: ups that he's he doesn't like to come by and

802
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: say hello to us on game. If you are in

803
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: that building, Charlie, and you don't come to that pregame

804
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: radio stage, I'm going to say, Howard crossed to find

805
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: you in Coubble You okay, definitely? Well you you probably

806
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: will be trying to get rid of me. Yeah, you're

807
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: probably right, thank you, Charlie. Okay, guys, all right, look

808
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: forward to it. Three it's all presented by your course light.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott New Mexico. He's up next, Scotty.

810
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: Do what's up, Hey, guys, how are you doing today?

811
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Speaker 1: What's going on? High question for I was very interested

812
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: in the conversation with Warren, but I wanted to know

813
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: if analytic can be enhanced or affected by whether a

814
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: quarterback controlling the win when repos plays in the Dome stadium,

815
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: does weather impact analytics? I was just curious if they

816
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: measure that metrics to the city. Yes, gotta think that

817
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: that was kind of related to the question that I pose,

818
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: where you look at a lot of these league wise

819
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: trends and league wise statistics, but then how do you

820
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: take those in adjust them to your specific matchup and situation. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, if you're going into a game and I

822
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: think this is kind of goes into that bag where

823
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Speaker 1: you're you know, playing in a real bad weather situation

824
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Speaker 1: where throwing the ball is gonna be really, really tough,

825
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna want to pass it as much

826
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Speaker 1: because that's gonna hurt the efficiency your passing game, and

827
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: it makes less sense to throw the ball. So yeah,

828
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: when that's something the teams would have to do. After

829
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: they get their overall league wide analytical data, they would

830
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: then have to apply it to their specific personnel and

831
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Speaker 1: their specific matchup in a specific place, in specific weather.

832
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Speaker 1: Which is why it's not as simple sometimes as the

833
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: overall teams should always go for it in fourth down.

834
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Now in these specific, specific situations, it's not necessarily universal

835
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: across all the teams, across all the venues, across all

836
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Speaker 1: weather conditions, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I'll go further, Scott, Analytics

837
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: cannot measure heart, soul, injuries, leadership, and culture, okay, and

838
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: those factors have a dramatic impact on your one in

839
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: loss record. And that's why you know, I look at

840
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: analytics as the oregano and not the pizza. Okay. But

841
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: can game planning? In other words? Uh, if you know

842
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback, for example, who plays in the Dome Stadame,

843
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: like Drew Brees may not have the arm strength now

844
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: that he had said ten years ago, and he's playing

845
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: obviously in Green Bay or St. Louis or someplace where

846
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: you know whether it's going to be impacted. Uh, does

847
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: a team then look at the analytics of what he

848
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: does in the Dome Stadium and then take that out

849
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: of the equation and then game plan a whole different

850
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: way for him. I'm just using one example of it's

851
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: got absolutely teams track all that stuff. It's a great example.

852
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: And if you remember, I was very much I'm not

853
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: a big deck Prescott fan anyway, but I had done

854
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: the research and he had only played like three bad

855
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: weather climate games in his entire college career. And then

856
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: when they came here to play at Metlive Stadium on

857
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: a very cold, nasty, miserable primetime game, and the forecast

858
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Speaker 1: was for that, and I got on this show all

859
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: week and I said, I guarantee it, Dak Prescott's not

860
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: going to have a good game, and he didn't. Which

861
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: game was that. It was about a couple of years ago,

862
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: when Dallas came into the Midowlands. It was a prime

863
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: time okay, So I thought you were thinking about the

864
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: final game of last year. I thought he played pretty

865
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: well in that game, which is which, No, it was

866
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I got you, and and

867
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: it was because I guess it was in um um

868
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: precipitation weather. Either. What I had done is I went

869
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: back to his college career and I checked rain, snow

870
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: or sub twenty degrees, and he only had like three

871
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: samples of that in his college career and all three

872
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: games he performed. Portland's not a lot of cold weather

873
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: down there in the SEC, So you know, I certainly,

874
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: again that's an intangible and you're right, Scott, I don't

875
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: know that that the analytics people necessarily, you know, compute

876
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: that stuff in all of their computer models. I don't

877
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: know that they do or they don't. I can't answer

878
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: for that, but what I what I can do is

879
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: say that if I'm a scout or I'm a coach

880
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: and I'm playing an opponent that week, you're damn straight

881
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm checking into it. Okay, my last question, I'll take

882
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: it off the air. Uh. Dardrewlaski a while back had

883
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: said it's rare when good players become great players in

884
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: the NFL, and they were talking specifically about quarterbacks in

885
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: the In what you've seen so far with Daniel Jones,

886
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I would venture to say he was a good quarterback

887
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: in college. But you have the attributes you think, or

888
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: what have you seen in the limited time you've seen

889
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: him in obviously preseason, Will will bear that out. Do

890
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: you see the characteristics that could potentially make him a good,

891
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: great quarterback. And I'll tell to your answers it's a

892
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: good question. And I appreciate the skull call. Scott, thanks

893
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot. And I think this was the worry I

894
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: had for him coming out. Um, I was fairly confident.

895
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: I think I found the game you're talking about, but

896
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: I'll get to it in a second. Um, I was

897
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: fairly confident that he had a pretty high floor based

898
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: on his what you saw in college. The problem in

899
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: college for him, Paul, is that his numbers were very,

900
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: very deflated, and this made him difficult to scout in

901
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: some ways. His numbers, efficiency production were deflated by the

902
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: talent around him drop past his things like that, and

903
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: and look, we talked about that a million times. But

904
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: my question, I think both of us had this question,

905
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: was that what was his upside and ceiling as a quarterback.

906
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Could he develop into a top five, top six, top

907
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: eight NFL quarterback? That was the question we asked. Now

908
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: once he got here and I saw him in person,

909
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: I honestly feel better about it than I did before.

910
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: The arm strength is good enough, he's certainly athletic enough.

911
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: He has the size and the build his mental approach

912
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know, things of that nature. We thought that

913
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: was good coming in and and and it's only been proven.

914
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: So I feel better Scott about his ability to become

915
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: that upper lash on quarterback today than he I did

916
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: on March thirty one, for example, I totally concur with John,

917
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: even though there are only limited boxes in front of

918
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: us to this point. Yeah, and by the way that

919
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: Paul and I are taking a lot out of spring

920
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: practice here making these decisions absolute limited boxes, He's checked

921
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: all of them. They're limited, but he's checked all of them.

922
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: There are many more boxes that still need to be determined,

923
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: and and that is what ultimately will decide whether or

924
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: not he is a top level quarterback. Until those boxes

925
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: are filled either with an X or a check mark,

926
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: we won't know. I will say this, though, John, of

927
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: all the rookie quarterbacks that I have ever seen at

928
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: Giants camp, going into their first training camp and now

929
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: what is my thirty seventh straight season, he is further

930
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: along than any of them, better than Eli, better than

931
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Eli was going into his first regular training camp. He's

932
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: certainly the best one I've seen. Now that's not saying

933
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot. I wasn't here when Eli was a

934
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: rookie my first year's two thousand and seven. So of

935
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: the you know Rett Beaumar, Ryan Nassev, Davis Webb, and

936
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: now because this was say, he looks different than those guys.

937
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: So you can just tell looking at him, that guy

938
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: looks different. Eli is the only top notch pick even

939
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: over the thirty seven years. Think about that. The only

940
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: other guy who was high was Jeff Dave Brown. Yeah,

941
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: I try to forget about that one because he was

942
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: a supplemental, but he but they live this way. Did

943
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones look better in spring practice than David than

944
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Dave Brown looked in training camp his rookie years? Yes, yes,

945
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: and without question look better than Jeff has and Hass

946
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: was a third rounder. Those to be fair because all

947
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: the other guys were lower than third round picks who

948
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: they've taken. Maybe it's only fair enough to compare him

949
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: to Brown and House. Maybe there's the only two guys

950
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: we should prepare him to. And by the way, and

951
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: he certainly looked better than both of them. And I

952
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: should point out to that well known a lot more

953
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: about how far along he is and what his ceiling

954
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: is and all that sort of stuff. When he starts

955
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: playing in games again, that changes every page of unfilled boxes.

956
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: We just don't know absolutely to five on three. It's

957
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: all presented by Corps Light Letting, Columbia, Maryland. Hello, Len,

958
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: you're doing We're doing great line. What's up? What do

959
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: you say? Well? Listen, hey, John. The first thing I

960
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: wanted to mention was you said that first Monday in

961
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: um of trainee camp was a day off. Did you

962
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: say that? I think there is one season ticket holder.

963
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, there is one practice reserve for season ticket

964
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: hold let me, yeah, hold on, let me, let me

965
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: just make sure because they cannot practice more than four

966
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: days in a row. That's ay. So they're either going

967
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: to be off Sunday or Monday, because they're gonna practice Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

968
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: So they're gonna be off either Sunday or Monday. I

969
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: to check which day. Yeah, yeah, they're they're They're off Monday, John,

970
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: and they're off Monday. If that's the rule. They're off

971
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: Monday because there is a sun there is a Sunday practice. Yeah,

972
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Monday of the yep, yeah, okay, so it must be

973
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: the second Monday for a season ticket. All yes, must be,

974
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: it must be okay, Um, yeah, well hey, it's it's

975
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: starting to get exciting here and we're getting close. Huh.

976
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: Starting to take a quote. You know, I can't can't

977
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: wait for camp to start, season to start. Um, I

978
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: just missed those games. I mean, I want to see

979
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: Gionese football and it's it's coming up, it's moving along. Um,

980
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, I look, I look at the roster and

981
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's excited. I am to see games.

982
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: I just I keep thinking, we're you know, we're in

983
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: a transition year. You know, we're closer to the bottom

984
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: than we are to the top. That's probably true in

985
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: the division, and it's probably true across the two. Um.

986
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: On the way to put that in different terms, I

987
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: think we'll be drafting in the top fifteen again. Hey look,

988
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: Len Lense, I look at it. The team picks six

989
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: in the draft last year there were five and eleven.

990
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: To say they're closer to the top than the bottom,

991
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: I think would be extremely extremely optimistic. They have to

992
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: they have to prove that they've improved, you know what

993
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. The question is

994
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: how much you know, how much closer. Are we how

995
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: much that other teams improved to They're not said they

996
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: were drafting just like we were pig in free agencies

997
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: like we were. So these other teams got better too.

998
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: But absolutely, yeah, I think we made some strides, um,

999
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: and I think, um, you know, I think we're going

1000
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: to be more competitive, and I just hope we get

1001
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: off to a good start and we're not. You know,

1002
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: we're not going into New England at one and four.

1003
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: You know we're going in there, and like that Thursday

1004
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: night came a good one. Len. The bottom line is

1005
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: at first four games this year, at minimum, you have

1006
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: to be two and two and I would prefer three

1007
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: and one be the schedule gets real tough, real question

1008
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: always sure does it? Sure does? But I think by then, uh,

1009
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, if if we can stay healthy, you know

1010
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: the old thing, if we if we can stay healthy, yeah,

1011
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, particularly our top players. I keep talking about

1012
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: that group, if we can keep them relatively healthy, you know,

1013
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: not get wiped out and have to be playing our

1014
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: third center or a fourth tight end. Um, I think

1015
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: we're going to be competitive in every game that we

1016
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: you know that we play. So I think we have

1017
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: made Surrice the question is how much. And you know, Paul,

1018
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I keep thinking back to UM. I keep thinking back

1019
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy nine. George Young comes in, he hires

1020
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: Ray Perkins, they draft three guys, and by that third year,

1021
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, we're hanging in there. In the middle of

1022
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: the season, we go to Philly. We win a just

1023
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: absolutely huge game, maybe one of the biggest regular season

1024
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: games in franchise history. We beat the Eagles. That may

1025
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: have been the week before Thanksgiving, but I'll tell you

1026
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: even bigger and even just catapil playoff. The biggest one

1027
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: was the overtime win in Atlanta in the pouring rain

1028
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: when Joe Donello hit that field goal. Yeah, yeah, big one.

1029
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: But I keep I keep looking at that Philly game.

1030
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: They were coming off a Super Bowl. I'm just doing

1031
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: pretty confident, you know. Dwarski, Harold Carmichael, that group, and

1032
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: we went down there and and and we beat him

1033
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: in Philly, and it turned things around. And I keep thinking,

1034
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's That's what I'm looking for. You know,

1035
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: we get a little better, we get to that third year,

1036
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: and we make that jump in the third year and

1037
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: we and we started running the playoffs. Hey, listen, you

1038
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: had a question early in the in the show about

1039
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: what are you going to be looking for at camp? Um,

1040
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, the how, the win and the y of

1041
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: the transition at quarterback. It's probably going to turn out

1042
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: to be the most widely discussed, that over analyzed and

1043
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: debated personnel changed in the history or the NFL. When

1044
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: I get to training camp, the first thing I'm looking at.

1045
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just a fan. You guys are more

1046
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: experts than I am. I'm just a fan. But that

1047
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: that's where my eyes are going. I'll bring my binoculous

1048
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: with me, and that's when I'm seeing went in on.

1049
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Got it all right, Lenn, we gotta run about Okay.

1050
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate Hey, by the way, thank you. I appreciated.

1051
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. And by the way, if

1052
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: I was a fan, i'd be watching Daniel Jones too

1053
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: now being pull of watching him throw the ball for

1054
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, ten practice. Well I've watched him for ten practice.

1055
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: Paul's watching for about five or six. I've watched them

1056
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: for about fifteen. Um, we've seen a lot of that.

1057
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: So that's why that wasn't our answer. But I was

1058
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: a fan showing up. But I haven't seen Daniel Jones

1059
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: up close and personal. That would be the first thing

1060
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: I watched too. But lenn is right that that transition

1061
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: is going to be over analyzed and overdone throughout the year.

1062
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: There's no question I would be beyond look, I've been

1063
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 1: wrong before a is you guys will know. I will

1064
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: be beyond shocked if at any point during August anyone

1065
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: has a realistic thought that Daniel Jones is a starting

1066
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: quarterback opening day. And again, not even that Schummer says

1067
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: that that someone has a realistic thought that that that

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: could happen. I just don't I don't see it. I

1069
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: don't see it what I agree with you, John, But

1070
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: you know somebody out there wants to get their clicks,

1071
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: and they'll write it anyway. I know. Alright, final call

1072
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna go a little past one. So

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00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask coach Marvin, gets your most important point

1074
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: and get to it first. Coach, got to talk to you.

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00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? Hey? Coach alight doing great? Um?

1076
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: The one thing I'm gonna look for when I go

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: up to the camp. I'll be up there July the

1078
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: great Hopefully, hopefully I get to meet you for sure, Um.

1079
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: But what I'm looking at is three guys is Baker,

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: Love and Bill Um. I'd like to see those guys

1081
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: when those jobs, and I think that would be very

1082
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: important to have those three guys be able to start.

1083
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: I would like to see that. I'm not sure if

1084
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: they will but or all three would, but I would

1085
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: like to see all three of those guys in the

1086
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: secondary start because sometimes when you have in the history

1087
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: of the game, sometimes some things have some great defensive

1088
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: back when they all came in together. Coach, I'm not

1089
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you want of them to start over

1090
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: the Doris Jenkins so and I think you hope two

1091
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: out of the three start. That's not what I'm saying.

1092
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying in the Nickel package fall from just play

1093
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: um with Jenkins and would have to be in safety

1094
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: then right Um with Love playing um the stake hope

1095
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe Bill maybe one slot and then you have Baker

1096
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: on the outside. Either way they do it, That's what

1097
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the Nickel. I would like to

1098
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: see them and then you'll be able to work the

1099
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Jenkins issue maybe next year. Whatever they're gonna do, you

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00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: don't together quickly coach Marvin tres On to that again,

1101
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna wind up seeing a lot more

1102
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: sub package out of the Giants this year. I wouldn't

1103
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: be surprised if you not only see six. I wouldn't

1104
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: be surprised if sometimes you'll see seven defensive backs and

1105
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: you see Peppers as that fake linebackers money back. I

1106
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think that's out of the question, okay, And so

1107
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: you may see all three of those guys on the

1108
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: field in a different type of defense, not your conventional style.

1109
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I would also add one other thing those three guys

1110
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: is John and I both have told you guys many

1111
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: times on this show before since they were taken in

1112
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: the draft. Their specialty is physicality. So honestly, unless you're

1113
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: at a full pads practice out here during training camp,

1114
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: you won't be able to appreciate all the stuff they

1115
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: bring to the table, true, right, right, A right. So yeah,

1116
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty much what I'm looking forward to, and I'll

1117
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: be able to handle this year, be able to handle

1118
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: the mistakes they make the longest they are learning from

1119
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: those mistakes, um, because I think they do need to

1120
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: plan time to really learn what's going on. And my

1121
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: last part was it were talking about Daniel Jones. You guys,

1122
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how much film you guys watched him.

1123
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: Did you watch a lot? Oh? Yes, my eyes bled coach,

1124
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: co co co coach, Literally I watched. I watched every

1125
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: snappy took as a junior duke, every single one. I

1126
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: didn't watch as much as Gentleman did. I don't think

1127
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: him when you saw him mic concerned. The only thing is, but,

1128
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: young guys, is the process of process in the play itself?

1129
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Are he throwing the ball in the right place? Is

1130
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: he making drastic mistakes consistently? So I'm wondering, even though

1131
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: the ball got dropped, was that the right throw that

1132
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: he was making. And I don't know if you saw

1133
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: that or you tried to determine Yeah, coach, coach, you

1134
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: make a good point. And the one thing that did

1135
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: worry me a little bit watching him, even just as

1136
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: a junior. And this is one of the points that

1137
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: we made before the draft. It was not like we're

1138
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: just talking about it now. When he when things didn't

1139
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: go right and the play didn't go exactly how it

1140
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to go, and maybe he was holding the

1141
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: ball a little bit longer and pass rush got to him.

1142
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: There were some plays where he made a couple of decisions,

1143
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, by the way, the same way Eli has

1144
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: done that over the past fifteen years from time to time,

1145
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: to where he fused his pressure and you're just like,

1146
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that wasn't the best idea, dude. It's kind

1147
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: of a human trade across the board, isn't it though. Yeah,

1148
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, we're human, we're not robots.

1149
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: Those things are going to happen. I would add this

1150
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: point to to what you're saying, coach uh, and that

1151
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: is this and we gotta run. Coach. Thanks off for

1152
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: the call. We appreciate We could take educated guesses as

1153
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: to whether or not he made the right decision, because

1154
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, we can't always understand what it is the

1155
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: coach told him to do or what the progression was.

1156
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: But here's what I will say. There is no doubt

1157
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: that he did not have a lot of confidence in

1158
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: his offensive line, no matter how many things he said

1159
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: about them, Oh yeah, they were good, they did fine.

1160
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: He was very nice. Much like Eli will never or

1161
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: anybody under the bus. His offensive line was not very good.

1162
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: He came on the Giant Huttle podcast with me and

1163
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: said he played with great wide receivers at Duke Right

1164
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: and they had what thirty six drop passes last year,

1165
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: but the nation okay, So so he's one of those

1166
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: guys who will cover up for everybody else, which is,

1167
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: by the way, what you want him to do. That thing.

1168
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: But we know that his his receiving corps was not

1169
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: very accomplished, and we know that his offensive line gave

1170
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: him a lot of cause for concern. And when you

1171
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: put those two things together, you can somewhat excuse some

1172
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: poor decision making. Well you can, yes, correct, you can

1173
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: understand why I hate to excuse stuff like that, But

1174
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: I totally understand where you're coming from, which is why

1175
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: I think it's important to see him in an NFL

1176
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: game with better players around them and then see how

1177
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: he does. You know, the joys out, folks, I mean

1178
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: the joys that on all these guys. You know, we

1179
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: we gotta see. We're just going based on what we saw,

1180
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: and all we've seen a practice, which in the large

1181
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: scheme of things is dead Lee, you know what, nothing,

1182
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: So we're just going off what we've seen. But there

1183
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: is a heck of a lot more we need to see.

1184
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: And I know none of our minds are made up.

1185
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: You know what Spring practices. It's kind of like the

1186
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: dinner rules that they give you before they start serving

1187
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: the meal. Some of those dinner rolls are tasty, and

1188
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: we've seen some tasty stuff out there, that's true, but

1189
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: it's nothing more than at this point. Many times you've

1190
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: gotten a great dinner roll and then they bring the

1191
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: entree out and boy, there is delicious. Paul, good stuff. Buddy,

1192
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: you're good. Tomorrow you're with Lands, I believe as all

1193
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: as Lands can make it in. I'm going to hear

1194
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: back from him, and um, then I will be back

1195
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: with you on Wednesday with Lands. And then starting next week, folks,

1196
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: BBK is gonna move and move to one o'clock for

1197
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 1: at least a week and change. Um, that's gonna start

1198
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: this Thursday. The show is gonna move to one to

1199
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: accommodate practice and media availability. He's gonna stay there for

1200
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: at least the week, maybe more, but then practice starts

1201
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: like changing times and schedules changed, so coach Rumer does

1202
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: not make my scheduling life easy. With us, I will

1203
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: do my best and we will keep you updating on

1204
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: when BBK is gonna be, and of course you can

1205
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: always find it on all your favorite podcast platforms and

1206
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: it will be archived on on giants dot com as well.

1207
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: Go to the New York Giants Audio podcasts and all

1208
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kickoff episodes are in there. For Paulatino,

1209
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,479
Speaker 1: I'm John Schmuckle Sin Tomorrow noon on Giants dot com.

1210
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Speaker 1: How do youse