WEBVTT - #83 - Payroll Giovanni 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.959 All right, welcome to the Bootleg keV Podcast. All Right, 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:15.080 we got an episode today with the Detroit legend Pyro Giovanni, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.599 founding member of Doe Boys cash Out. Been on a 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.160 solo tear for the last I don't know, I would 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.320 say seven eight years. So he's a Detroit legend. Used 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:27.880 to be signed to Geez. He been doing his thing 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.600 independently for a minute, so we got to sit down 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.000 and chop it up with him. Can't wait for y'all 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.680 to hear it. He's a smart dude man, just kind 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.440 of like a staple in the Detroit hip hop scene. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.879 All right, so shout out to perro Giovanni. 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But a lot 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.880 of Detroit dudes used to go to get money. Yeah, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.040 so I think the lingo and the culture kind of 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.240 you know, transferred game like that. So we always been 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.920 like related, like cousins. Yeah, it feels like Detroit has 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.440 so much in common, like especially you know, like you said, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.400 like they're just always sonically, it just feels like y'all 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.080 are in the same pocket kind of when it comes 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.360 to culture. And yeah, like I grew up on the 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.000 Street Lords. It was a big, big group in Detroit, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.040 and they used to have like be legit two short 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.400 e forty all of them on the album. So it 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.600 was like, should we started listening to them just off 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.840 of that right right right right? So you know, and 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.960 sound sound the same. Can we talk about I don't 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.400 know if we're allowed to talk about the fact that 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.360 there's gonna be a reunion album coming? Oh yeah, yeah, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.920 no boy cash out? So yeah, yeah, So so this 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.040 is the first album and how long or first project? 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.480 Probably about five five six years. Yeah, yeah, we're working 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.400 on it's like ninety percent done. It ain't all the 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.960 way done. What motivated You've been obviously killing it on 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.000 the solo shit, but like what motivated the crew to 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.320 come back together? Man? We always been together, like we 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.200 never broke up. Well, I mean just as far as 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.160 just making you know, like making the studio and making 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.480 that effort to like actually put a body of work together. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.760 Like it just had to be the perfect time. I 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.720 wanted to be organic because we didn't got in there 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.040 and made music. But it just it seemed forced. I 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.040 don't know, I think everybody had to get some some 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.840 real money. It was like that's because we first started rapping, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.880 and it was like it was a hobby. It wasn't 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.560 like we was making music to make money. It was 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.240 just like let's get on here and talk some shit. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.040 And it was just a time where we just all 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.920 had we was all doing good. Everyone's doing good. Ye 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.440 come together, let's do Let's do it because we want to, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.000 not because we have to, exactly, and that's the best music. Yeah, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.640 we made a project. How does it feel to be 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.040 like you know, you you mentioned some of the guys 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.720 you grew up listening to, But how does it kind 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.680 of feel to be uh, you're kind of like low 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.600 key like OG's in the city now to like a 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.200 whole new way of a Detroit artist. Man, that's a blessing. Man, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.240 It's an honor. You know. I remember just being young 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.960 just watching the ogs like Blade and Street Lords and 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.840 east Side Shuttle Boys, all of them on TV. Like damn, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.640 you know, I love to be in that light day 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.880 in and for dudes to compare me to like Blade 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.720 or Street Lows, you know, that's that's an honor. That's 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.360 like the highest honor in Detroit. Yeah, Detroit seems to 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.800 be like on fire right now, you know so much. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.600 I mean, listen, Detroit's always had it's place in hip hop. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.359 You don't feel like, listen, I'm from Phoenix. We have 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.920 zero place in hip hop. We've never had nothing pop off. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.480 Like it's been rough my whole life Detroit. At least, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.160 you know, going back to the nineties, you could eat 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.000 you know, obviously there was always Royce or eminem and 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.600 then you know Dyla and you know, I feel like 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.520 even like insane clown Posse was from around Detroit, you 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.120 know what I'm saying. So I feel like, y'all, I've 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.039 always had a presence in hip hop, but but I 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.200 feel like, right now it feels like a whole wave, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.920 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Detroit always just had 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:52.560 like a super underground scene music scene, like super artists, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.320 that's our own heroes like this, our Tupac, this, our 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.719 Hot Boys and this and that, and it seemed like 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.000 it never got mainstream, like it just only would go 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.280 to Detroit and other Midwest cities and that was it. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.240 And we used to be like why, like, you know, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.320 dudes has got more money and more jury than these 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.000 rappers on TV. So it shit sound good, Like why 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.640 the fuck we don't never get there? And it used 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.240 to be like a headache, Like damn what you know? 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.720 What's crazy? Detroit and Chicago share two kind of things 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.160 in my eyes as far as like there's two sides. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.719 I feel like to like the sonics of the city 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.920 hip hop wise, Like in Detroit there's some of the 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.120 illest boom back traditional just incredible hip hop that you 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.880 ever hear, and then there's the street side of the 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.480 hip hop scene. And I feel like Chicago's kind of 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.720 the same way, Like Chicago's the same city that birth 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.480 Chance and Kanye and Common and you know what I'm saying. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.800 But on the other side, there's the drill shit. Like 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.320 it feels like there's two separate kind of sounds and 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.640 scenes going on in Detroit, but they do kind of, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.479 you know, our times come together. But why is that? 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.280 I mean, because you know, Detroit is a it's a 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.920 diverse city. You got the street side and you got 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:03.600 like at the arts cy freestyle hip hop side. That 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.080 freestyle ship is serious out there, Like it's dudes that 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.160 go to the halls and freestyle battle and all of that, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.320 like the ship on Black Milk or Guilty Sense. Obviously, 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.360 you know what I'm saying. But we all respect each other. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.880 You know what I'm saying, Like it's all love. But 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.560 you know, Detroit is a it's a street orientated city. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.240 You know what I'm saying. Do you feel like Detroit 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.520 is getting better? Because I've heard that, Like the dude 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.400 the Calves is like buying up a bunch of real 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.880 estate and cleaning it up. Like and my boy lives 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.200 in Troy. He does radio in Detroit and at the Bounce. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.479 But he's he was saying, like ever since he's been there, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.480 he feels like the city is getting built back up, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.400 like it's starting to look better. Like, how do you 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.719 feel about where Detroit is right now? I feel like 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.000 it's doing a lot better. I feel like, you know, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.440 our downtown for show looked better because you like I 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.839 would hear you could buy like fucking hundred dollars houses 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.160 in the Troite or some crazy ship like that right there. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.160 People for the low be a fixture of her. Yeah, 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.680 but you could like out forty thousand into it. You 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.400 put seventy into a house and you know you're gonna 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.880 have a nice crib. How much? Really? I heard when 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.560 we're in an empire in the Bay, I heard you mentioned, uh, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.480 you would talk. We got a game coming out called 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.880 out of Pocket. But you you mentioned real estate? Are you? 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.200 Are you pretty tapped in on the real estate side. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.280 I'm getting into it. Like my first experience in the 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.640 real estate it was a horror story, so I kind 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.560 of like backed away from it, Like what happened? Man? 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.360 I bought a house and uh, it was just a 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.520 raggedy ass house and it just it just went bad. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.440 But I had got one of those houses. I had 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.360 bad intentions with it. I'm gonna put it like, oh okay, okay, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.200 you know I had a whole plan to do with it. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.840 It just didn't go right. So I just kind of 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.920 left it alone. You Like, Damn, I basically wasted like 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.320 ten thousand dollars on this. It could have been worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.440 ten granted. But my man is one of my clothes homeboys. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.800 He like own like amner half our neighborhood. Seeing what 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.640 he be doing, I just be learning. I'm just getting 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.200 game from him. So you're starting to get into that. Yeah, Yeah, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.720 for sure, Yeah, can you take me back because I 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.760 remember when you guys signed with g Z. I was thinking, like, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.720 because I would heard of you guys and heard some 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.640 of your stuff, I was thinking like wow, like dope, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.680 like some of the street shot out of Detroit was 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.880 getting like a real mainstream look at the time, and 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.080 it obviously seemed like it didn't work out. It didn't 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.920 work out. You know what I'm saying, What do you 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.760 think when it went wrong with with the CTE situation, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.080 because I want to say, you guys came into CTE 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:38.160 like right after Freddy Gibbs had left. Yeah, it was 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.520 like the YG dope. Yeah, so it was like around 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.400 that same era as CTE. Yeah, like what went wrong? 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.320 I don't know, man, I think we wasn't ready for real. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.640 That was that was new to us, Like we was 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.720 used to just being independent. We really wasn't taking that 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.120 rap shit serious like that. Like we kind of stumbled 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.839 up on it like still out yeah, and we was 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.040 following our path like Okay, now we gotta do this, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.000 do that. When we got there, it was kind of 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.040 like Okay, who is your pr who's your man? We like, shit, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:07.839 we ain't got to learn that ship what is that? 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.120 What does that mean? He was learning as we were, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.160 so you know, it was a whole type of different 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.560 experience for us. And the Detroit sound really wasn't popping 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.120 like that at the time. They kind of wanted us 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.079 on them, uh to attract ship them them trapped me 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.080 right right. That ship just sounded horrible, like it just 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.280 didn't mesh. Yeah, they like, man, it sounded like some 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.319 old cash money ship. What y'all doing? Why the beat 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.120 so fast? I ain't really understand it like that. Damn. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.800 I feel like at the timing wasn't good. Timing just 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.080 wasn't good, not at all. I mean because the YG 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.120 thing worked out? Yea, why g shit worked out? I 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.240 watched him make that whole first album. Was that like 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:43.959 was there like a because I feel like there was 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.280 like a weird period of time where like there was 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.480 like all the old guys from CTE had left, like 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.360 you know what I'm saying, and then you guys were 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.200 like the new regime and the old guys didn't have 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:59.680 good things to say about about Freddy years. Yeah that good, Yeah, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.840 fred it was Aaron fucking jez out. Did you guys 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.960 ever feel like like you kind of had to like 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.680 have Jiz's back and a lot of that. Man. Yeah, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.760 you know, I'm here to get my money, feed my family. Man, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.440 I ain't. I ain't in here. It in no beefs man. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.040 That's smart man, Yeah, that's just serious of course, of 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.960 course some music ship. I'm chilling. What was something that 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.719 you learned though from that experience or maybe from j 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.240 Z that you because you know, you've been doing independently 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.120 a lot of boss ship the last you know, seven 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.840 eight years, So like, what's something you took from that 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.920 experience or from j Z directly that you've kind of 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.520 applied to your your career now. His work ethic, like, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.600 dude just non stop, like and that was like my 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.120 first time ever being in the studio to like seven 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.040 in the morning. Oh yeah those are them nights. Yeah, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.440 Like I never used to do that. I come in 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.480 the studio two three hours and I'm gonna do what 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.079 you gotta do. Get home. So when I was with him, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.120 I'm like, why are we doing this? Like we're in 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.640 studio till fucking daylight? Like I'm fucking that ship every 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.200 day and I'm like, man, this dude is a multi millionaire, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.600 so we gotta put in double the work, right, So 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.280 I started applying that just going to the studio every day. YO. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.000 Talk about because when was the first project when Carter 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.600 was at twenty sixteen? I want to say sixteen or fifteen. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.520 I ain't sure what inspired you to do? Uh? First 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.960 of all, get with Cardo, and I feel like, uh, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:24.040 you kind of you know, have influenced some other stuff 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.560 happening in hip hop right now. But but but I 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.760 feel like you and Cardo definitely came together and did 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.480 your thing. Man, we're both those projects. But how did 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:39.160 that happen? Really? Gez Geez, yeah, Gez. He had flew 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.280 me out to Atlanta and we was working on a project. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.840 What it was going to be me Cardo and Ygi 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.200 and Gezi. It was gonna be a group. Really, it 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.000 was all Cardo produced, and we made a whole project 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.360 that was hard. So you Cardo, Ygi and Gez. Yeah, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:56.840 And that was supposed to be like a super roup, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.120 was called like Paid in Full or something like that. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.480 And you guys did a whole project, whole project. We 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:06.000 had beasts from Warren g Dazz Dillinger, what DJ Quick 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.560 and Cardo did like all other beats and it was 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.640 a hard project, but for some reason it never saw 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.560 the day of light. Yeah, but that's where me and 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.920 Cardo found our niche like we found our pocket. You know, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.040 a lot of them nights in them studios together. How 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.600 many how many songs did you guys do for that project? 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.760 I think we had about a good twelve about ten 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.760 twelve last album. Yeah, we all have solo songs and 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.680 group songs. It was hard. Damn When would that see 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.320 the day of light? If ever, I don't know who 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.280 has that jesz Jzu, it's up to him. You got 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.120 on a hard drive. It's on a hard drive just 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.560 sitting somewhere. Yeah, that shit, man classic. Wow, that sounds 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.680 like that's like one of them albums is like gonna 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.640 be focal or for now every Yeah, that shit was special. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.640 I was excited about that. Y. Yeah, are you and 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.080 YG still keeping contact? I ain't talked to YG in 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.920 a minute, but that's you know, it's still love for show. Yeah, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.440 A good dude. And then obviously, just like we were 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.800 talking about the scene in Detroit, Detroit seems like it's 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.800 always been like historically like super divided depending on what 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.000 side you're from, Like what side of town you're from. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.200 There seems to be like less of that recently, like 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.160 people working together shit like that, Like is that is that? 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.240 You know obviously you and PZ got a whole album together. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.800 Like how's the Detroit scene right now? You feel like 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.079 as far as just like the camaraderie and you know, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.520 it feels like there's more people moving together as opposed 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.960 to I feel like it's good, Like we're in a 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.240 good space. It ain't you know, it ain't really much 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.240 beef going on, like everybody really just putting that shit 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.160 to the side and getting their money with his music 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.720 shit because that's where a bag is. And then that 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:48.920 big Sean Ceipher was fucking crazy, Yeah, because I don't think. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.600 I don't because I talked to side of Baby and 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.839 he had like no idea that like T Grizzly was 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.360 going to be on there, and like, yeah, you know, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.319 like he put just everyone. I don't think everyone did 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.959 you know that? Like I had an idea everybody you 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.439 know it's gonna be on there. But I get along 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.960 with everybody. I ain't. I ain't here. Yeah, I wasn't 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.280 like I don't put me on a song with him, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.440 Like how big of a deal. Is that like to 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.000 have like Sean do that? You know, man Sean been 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.199 showing us love from day one of course, like when 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.640 he didn't even have to. He been shouting us out 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.080 on songs and reaching out doing songs with us. So 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.240 I got I got a lot of respect for Big Sean, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.720 like he's been embracelests one. Remember you said it's about 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.560 time that Shawn's been popping for a long time. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.240 for sure, long ass time for sure. Man. It's crazy 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.920 because like I feel like his album with the Detroit 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.120 two was like it's his best, his best body of 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.400 work so far. Man Sewan cold, man, he's been cold 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.480 like that though he used to record at the studio. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.720 He used to record it before he I think before 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.080 he signed with Kanye. Oh wow. Yeah, like he been 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.920 taking that raption seriously. Yeah, it's crazy to think his 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.080 first album came out ten years ago. He celebrated the 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.480 ten year anniversary and I just was like, fuck, I'm 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.920 old man as hell. I remember when that ship for 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.840 came out. Old is it like him and Mike posing 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.520 and running around dode mixtapes and shit, And it's crazy. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.720 So you I know you have so that the double Cash, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.280 that album is coming, and then you're you got a 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.920 new solo album. Yeah, working on it, which is is 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.520 how close is that to being done? About ninety ninety 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.400 five percent? Waiting on a couple verses people, and I 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.480 heard you talking about it in San Francisco. A bit 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.000 kind of breakdown, like the concept of the album, Like 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.760 it's called Giovanni's Way. It's something I've been like promoting 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.200 for like five six ers. Every time I was about 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.880 to come out with it, something else presented itself, like 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.680 Cardo or something, and I just get sidetracked. But I'm 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.880 finally about to drop it. It's basically like everything that 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.040 led me to this point. I'm basically just speaking on 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.520 all of that, all my experiences, everything, What features are 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:57.400 already on the project, uh t Grizzly and Pasy Cash 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:05.160 dolluh sh. I think that's it right now, Detroit, Yeah, Yeah, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.320 I'm reaching out to other people too. But if you 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.080 had it for show, wanted Detroit on her be. If 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.560 you had to pick someone from the Bay to do 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.800 a whole project with, who would be somebody from the Bay. Yeah, man, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.920 I fuck with a lot of Bay Area. I feel 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.040 like you, Larry June or Cargo, Larry Jone. You know, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.800 we got a whole project called Game Related. I didn't 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.400 know that. Me my man's HBK Larry June, all Cardo 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.120 Beats All Cardo b We just like threw it out 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.000 there like it wasn't really promoted, none of that. Who else, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.720 like from the bait would you kind of consider to be? Like, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.440 you know, you're in the Bay a lot, Like, who's 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.920 somebody who you would kind of consider to be, you know, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.200 more than a hip hop affiliate. Everyone fucks with each other, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:44.840 you know what I'm saying, But there's very few friends. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.440 I fuck with a lot of dudes on the Baby 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.400 Man Filthy Rich of course, Yeah, of course, E forty 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.800 be legit, a lot of og you know og catch. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.440 You know what I'm saying. I'm getting hip to the 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.760 younger dudes though. Yeah, there's a whole there's a lot 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.880 going on. Yeah, the Bay's like Detroit. I feel like 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.880 there's like so much new coming out and it's just 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.200 like I can't even keep up with it. That's how 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.600 the trade is. Like I'll be like, what is this? 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.120 Like I see everybody singing in the club. I'm like, oh, 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:08.879 I'm supposed to know what the shit is? Like, what 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.640 is you know? It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah. What about like, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.800 you know, in terms of like let's say ten years 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.280 from now, man, where do you like, like where where 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.640 do you want your legacy to stand that you still 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.080 want to be rapping? Do you still want to like 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.560 do you want to kind of have some other ship 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.119 going on at that point in time? I want to 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.280 be a CEO man, I want to just fall back, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.359 you know, kind of play the background. Just have a 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.520 bunch of successful artists out there. So you're signing artists, Yeah, yeah, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.679 that's most definitely like my next thing I'm about to 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.280 get into. You know who's done a good job of 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.480 that is I think that I always give got to 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.880 give him his prosper yo got yeah, so amazing. He 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.000 raised the bar like he raised the touch. It's crazy. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.680 Yeah yeah, And like you know, I think what's important 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.240 about that is like you got to actually want whoever 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.239 you're signing to be bigger than you. If you're going 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.520 to be an artist who signs other artists, like you 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.520 have to put your ego to the side and genuinely 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.119 want that person to be bigger than you ever were. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.520 It make your legacy bigger, like all these people came 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.800 from up under him, Like you know, that's that make 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.960 your legacy huge, make it go forever. One hundred. Yeah. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:19.280 How did you react to just the pandemic Detroit? Was 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.120 it like super close down there? Yeah, it was shut 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.119 down for a minute. It was shut down for a 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.440 long ass time. But everybody was balling. Everybody's getting money. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.159 Everybody's getting that money. Man, it was. It was like 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.679 fucking the eighties. It was crazy that that that fucking 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.080 PPP money. Yeah boom. Yeah. I went to the uh 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.680 we got a mark called Somerset. It's like the high 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.320 end mall it was, and she was like a zoo. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.560 It was just people in there, just fighting and shooting 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.320 and robbing. I'm like, god damn, like people in this 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.359 mall had never been in this mall in they life. Yeah. No, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.800 I know. I have like close friends of mine who 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.760 have hit serious six figure government looks during the pandemic. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:03.040 It's it's wild. Yeah, it's just you have a dude, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.000 young dude. Put It's like tax season times one hundred. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.960 But it's like everyone's got It's it's insane, man. Yeah, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.080 it's like serious as hell, like I'm about to get 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:17.120 it for a right next week. Careful. Yeah you might 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.359 want to be careful. That might be a red flag. Yeah, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.479 you might want to, you know, get one of them 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.880 ten thousand other houses. Yeah, yeah, no, they ain't think 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.800 about that. Yeah, it's it's wild. Yo. How how how 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.200