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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show NYC edition.
Speaker 2: We're joined by my friend Inez Felcher. Stepmansch is a
Speaker 2: fellow at the Independent Women's Forum, a writer, a scholar
Speaker 2: of many things, and currently on tiny adorable kitten babysitting duty.
Speaker 2: I am told so es, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3: It's great to be here, Buck, And yes, I am.
Speaker 3: It's not my usual setup because I have a tiny
Speaker 3: kitten behind me.
Speaker 2: I have been I have been dealing with my two
Speaker 2: year old nephew, which you know, helping my sister to
Speaker 2: babysit a little bit. And I can tell you that
Speaker 2: the kitten sounds great right about now because the kittens,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, very very easy, very straightforward. All right, let's
Speaker 2: let's jump into this. It does the current situation. I
Speaker 2: saw you tweet on this where you have and this
Speaker 2: This isn't about oh I like this person or oh
Speaker 2: I like that person or this person she would It's
Speaker 2: just an observation on the current political scene. You have
Speaker 2: the front runner for the Republicans indicted and facing almost
Speaker 2: certainly additional felony criminal indictments, and you have a Democrat
Speaker 2: who certainly it seems should be facing impeachment and also
Speaker 2: possibly criminal indictments.
Speaker 1: What does this do to politics?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, of course that's in reference to the most
Speaker 3: recent whistleblower evidence from these IRS agents who have come
Speaker 3: out and sort of directly accused Biden of being Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: that is, of being involved in his son's corruption. They
Speaker 3: have that signal chat where he's talking about being right
Speaker 3: next to his dad and how his dad's influence is
Speaker 3: going to come down on this guy, this Chinese guy,
Speaker 3: like a ton of bricks, if you know, if he
Speaker 3: doesn't hand over the money, right, and this is sort
Speaker 3: of being Joe Biden's bag man. All those accusations now
Speaker 3: out into the public. But I want to take a
Speaker 3: step back, and yes, even on the other side, we
Speaker 3: can talk about political persecution of course of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: These these latest indictments, federal indictments are on procedure crimes,
Speaker 3: which is very similar to what happened to Mike Flynn. Right.
Speaker 3: They go after you politically and for political purposes, but
Speaker 3: in the course of the investigation. They can try to
Speaker 3: get you for some of the procedure crimes. In Flynn's
Speaker 3: case it was lying to the FBI, and in Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's case it is not responding or not turning over
Speaker 3: documents and response to requests. Okay, these are procedure crimes.
Speaker 3: But at the bottom line, the political bottom line of
Speaker 3: this is you might have two major party candidates running
Speaker 3: against each other in twenty twenty four, where if one wins,
Speaker 3: the other gets indicted and vice versa. That's that's not
Speaker 3: a good incentive for the peaceful transfer of power. That's
Speaker 3: exactly how you know authoritarian regimes start. It's why you
Speaker 3: know banana or publics are banana republics. They get caught
Speaker 3: in these cycles of persecution where it's either hang on
Speaker 3: to power or go to jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that part of this is that for a
Speaker 2: while there's been the standard that has been set is well,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna it's insuring because because I totally agree
Speaker 2: with the concept that this is problematic. You have the
Speaker 2: criminalization of politics at a very broad level happening here.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of Donald Trump's critic would say, oh,
Speaker 2: but what about locker up Yeah, but he.
Speaker 1: Didn't, right. Uh, he didn't do that when he came
Speaker 1: into power.
Speaker 2: He didn't even appoint a special counsel to look into
Speaker 2: Hillary's Hillary's emails. Before that, though, you had the special
Speaker 2: counsel to try to arrest anybody in the Bush White
Speaker 2: House possible over the Valerie plane non crime. I mean,
Speaker 2: it actually was a non crime. I know a bit
Speaker 2: about this because I was in the CIA when the
Speaker 2: whole league happened.
Speaker 1: It was an accident. They knew it was an accident
Speaker 1: right away.
Speaker 2: Uh, And they decided to have a fit wishing expedition
Speaker 2: to go after again the Bush administration, to go after
Speaker 2: either the Vice President Cheney or Carl Rove, then the
Speaker 2: White House chief of staff, and then of course Bill
Speaker 2: Clinton lying under oath.
Speaker 1: What do we do about the It can't continue.
Speaker 2: To be This is the other argument you hear right,
Speaker 2: that if we don't enforce the law, because this time
Speaker 2: it would be too hard to enforce the law, we
Speaker 2: start to erase the law.
Speaker 1: Right because what people.
Speaker 2: Are saying right now is, well, you can't just keep
Speaker 2: pointing out that Hillary didn't get prosecuted, Bill didn't get prosecuted.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess they would say Republicans Trump
Speaker 2: didn'tet prosecuted last time as a defense against this going forward,
Speaker 2: do you see what I mean? Like, so, what do
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 3: Well? Two things, One of course, is that the ostensible
Speaker 3: adults in the room once again are proving themselves, you know,
Speaker 3: less self restrained than Donald Trump, who, as you say,
Speaker 3: did not lock her up and in fact came out
Speaker 3: and made a statement to the country about how that
Speaker 3: would be bad for the country. And so once again
Speaker 3: they're showing less self restraint a guy with a very
Speaker 3: twitchy Twitter finger, I guess truth finger these days, right,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of one of those backwards things where
Speaker 3: people are claiming to be the serious ones, the adult ones,
Speaker 3: the normal ones, in which they're actually breaking much more
Speaker 3: important norms than Donald Trump ever did. But in terms
Speaker 3: of this cycle, yeah, it's very very difficult to get
Speaker 3: out of this cycle. So I'd say two things. One,
Speaker 3: that's why we don't break this president two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty years and we haven't prosecuted a former president or
Speaker 3: current presidential candidate other than perhaps Eugene Debs, who was
Speaker 3: never like actually going to be president, right, he was
Speaker 3: like a two percent guy. That the reason that norm
Speaker 3: was so important is exactly to avoid this kind of
Speaker 3: cycle once you start it. Look, one of the many
Speaker 3: reasons that Julius Caesar actually crossed the rubicon. I know
Speaker 3: it's a popular metaphor these days, but one of the
Speaker 3: many reasons Julius Caesar crossed the rubicon with his army
Speaker 3: is when he gave when he if he were to
Speaker 3: give up his position, right, his political position, when he
Speaker 3: was going to resign basically from his political position, he
Speaker 3: was open to prosecution, and he knew his enemies would
Speaker 3: come in and prosecute him. Right. So this this is
Speaker 3: again how dictatorships get started, how peaceful transitions of power die.
Speaker 3: And as far as you know, no one's above the law,
Speaker 3: which people also keep repeating, you know, in terms of
Speaker 3: norms for a republic, I find it much less scary that,
Speaker 3: you know, all five or six of our living former
Speaker 3: you know, presidents get away with some tickie tac bs, right,
Speaker 3: Like they have a few documents they shouldn't have in
Speaker 3: some I don't know, for example, in their in their
Speaker 3: their garages next to their corvettes. Right. I I far
Speaker 3: prefer that as a scenario than entering into this this
Speaker 3: cycle that brings down republics and and regimes. Right, So
Speaker 3: it's a matter of what's a more important norm, And
Speaker 3: for me, there's no contest. I'd rather not prosecute a
Speaker 3: handful of people for things that are anything less than
Speaker 3: shooting someone on Fifth Avenue than than enter into something
Speaker 3: that's so dangerous.
Speaker 2: I think that's a critical point. I often say this
Speaker 2: on the radio. If we were talking about a current
Speaker 2: presidential candidate who had gotten drunk and in vehicular manslaughter,
Speaker 2: you know, kill the family of four by t boning
Speaker 2: them in an intersection, the guy's got to go to prison, right,
Speaker 2: Like this is that there are levels which it doesn't
Speaker 2: make everybody would understand. You know, you can't murder people,
Speaker 2: you can't rape somebody, you can't do some a horrible,
Speaker 2: hateous crime and say, oh, I'm running for office. But
Speaker 2: a document dispute with the National Archives like that, that
Speaker 2: doesn't that's not going to cut it. I think that
Speaker 2: anybody who's being honest about what's best for the country
Speaker 2: is at least able to see the merit of that
Speaker 2: argument at some level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's kind of the Omar
Speaker 3: little quote from the wire right. If you come at
Speaker 3: the King, you best not missed, you bet. If you
Speaker 3: are going to break that two hundred and fifty year norm,
Speaker 3: you better have irrefutable evidence and you better be completely
Speaker 3: above suspicion that this is a political prosecution. So you know,
Speaker 3: if you have tape of some body going the wrong
Speaker 3: way on the highway and smashing into you know, a
Speaker 3: family of four in your example, then of course you
Speaker 3: should prosecute. People aren't above the law. But it's so
Speaker 3: important to avoid even the appearance. And here we have
Speaker 3: a lot more than appearance. We have piece of evidence
Speaker 3: after evidence after evidence that this is a politically selective prosecution.
Speaker 3: The impression of that, giving half the country the impression,
Speaker 3: the correct impression in this case, that the justice system
Speaker 3: is two tiered based on whether you agree with the
Speaker 3: party in power or not, is so much more dangerous
Speaker 3: than any kind of little document dispute could ever be.
Speaker 3: And this is just I mean, like I said, this
Speaker 3: is sort of ticky tax stuff to bring down republics over.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that it's possible to take his candidacy
Speaker 3: less seriously. I mean this does remind people of the
Speaker 3: Aleppo moment, right, Yes.
Speaker 1: And Gary Johnson, I remember that one.
Speaker 3: No, I mean look not in reality. You know, the
Speaker 3: president doesn't need to know everything about what's happening all
Speaker 3: over the world. What he needs to do is to
Speaker 3: be able to hire good advisors who he trusts to
Speaker 3: give him good advice and then use his judgment about situations.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that any particular thing is disqualifying.
Speaker 3: I will point out that even Rudy Giuliani was criticized
Speaker 3: for running for president, like the big hit against him
Speaker 3: was that he had only been mayor, and that was
Speaker 3: mayor of New York City, right, which is nine million
Speaker 3: people and larger than me than some states.
Speaker 2: Right, I think I think it's larger than almost most states,
Speaker 2: Is that right, I'll put that out there, a lot
Speaker 2: of states, Like definitely a lot bigger than a lot
Speaker 2: of states.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Like So the idea that you can run
Speaker 3: I mean, Miami is great, don't get me wrong. But
Speaker 3: the idea that you can run for president directly by
Speaker 3: being mayor of Miami as a stepping stone, I think
Speaker 3: is a little absurd. Of course, this is a political
Speaker 3: outsider era that we live in, but I think somebody
Speaker 3: with a resume entirely out of politics is a different
Speaker 3: thing than somebody who's still on in sort of the
Speaker 3: minor leagues and then deciding that he could step up
Speaker 3: and run for president seems a little ridiculous to.
Speaker 2: It is Is this just now a purely a branding
Speaker 2: exercise for a lot of people. It feels like we
Speaker 2: have Republican content or I should say presidential contest, but
Speaker 2: the Republican primaries the one all I will ask you
Speaker 2: about RFK in a second, because it feels like there's
Speaker 2: almost a shadow Democrat primary going on, which we'll get to.
Speaker 2: But on the Republican side of things, you got some
Speaker 2: people who seem to be running so that they can
Speaker 2: be a Trump cabinet appointee, which is weird, right, because
Speaker 2: shouldn't you be trying to take down the number one guy.
Speaker 2: They're all like, well, I would be good. Trump would
Speaker 2: be better as president, but I would be good. And
Speaker 2: then you've also got people who it seems like they're
Speaker 2: just trying to sell more books?
Speaker 1: Is it that symbol? Am I being too dismissive?
Speaker 2: Is this part of like the flowering of our democracy
Speaker 2: or whatever? Is that you get people with less than
Speaker 2: one percent who tell it everybody that want to be president?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think it's going to stop happening. You
Speaker 3: combine several ingredients, huge egos, a single billionaire backer, you're
Speaker 3: going to have a presidential run. Right, there's no downside
Speaker 3: to any of these people running. We're going to know
Speaker 3: their names better, we're going to know their faces better. Yes,
Speaker 3: maybe they can sell more books. Right, Look, it's some
Speaker 3: sort of outside shot. Presidential candidates I think are or
Speaker 3: rather runs are worth it. Right, if you really want
Speaker 3: to shine the spotlight on a particular issue, for example,
Speaker 3: if you want to be identified as single with a
Speaker 3: single issue and just launch that issue into the national stage.
Speaker 3: I think it's one way to do it, but it's
Speaker 3: bottom line, it's not going to stop. All the incentives
Speaker 3: are in one direction, all the you know that the
Speaker 3: consultants get get a ton of cash for you know,
Speaker 3: managing these these campaigns that have absolutely no shot at
Speaker 3: it whatsoever. So unfortunately, all the incentives are aligned that way,
Speaker 3: and I don't see it going away, these kinds of
Speaker 3: like vanity bids going away anytime soon.
Speaker 2: Who do you think if you had to pick somebody
Speaker 2: who has who is or will Or has That's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, will Or has outperformed expectations on
Speaker 2: the Republican side, who would that be for you?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 3: I had pretty low expectations for a lot of these people.
Speaker 1: Answer ever, she's like, she's like, I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: all of them were kind of gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: not good. But go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, so, you know, DeSantis, you can't say he's outperformed expectations.
Speaker 3: If anything, he's underperformed expectations because the expectation was was
Speaker 3: going to come in as a strong sort of number two,
Speaker 3: and what we have is him as definitely a strong
Speaker 3: a number.
Speaker 1: He's number two, but he's way way back. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: way but.
Speaker 3: He's considered play far back. And then there is literally
Speaker 3: nothing Nikki Haley could do that would drop my estimation
Speaker 3: of her lower But.
Speaker 2: I guess, wait, can you expand on that, expand on
Speaker 2: that drill into this one? I like, I like inez
Speaker 2: letting it fly? Why are you auntie, Nikki Haley?
Speaker 3: God, there's so many reasons, but but I mean, just
Speaker 3: start with the way that she entered the race, playing
Speaker 3: on her sex and her skin color. You know, there
Speaker 3: is this part of the Republican Party that is just
Speaker 3: as thirsty for affirmative actions as the left. I find
Speaker 3: it really cringe and pathetic. You should not be, you know,
Speaker 3: running on your characteristics as a woman and as a
Speaker 3: person of color. I just find this like very like
Speaker 3: left winging cringey. And then she She's proved over and
Speaker 3: over again she doesn't understand the actual world. We're with
Speaker 3: her remarks about Disney, where she just said, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, come on down to South Carolina, We'll take
Speaker 3: those jobs, like not even acknowledging the issue that corporate
Speaker 3: America has swung so far left in the cultural on
Speaker 3: the cultural issues, and then it's actually, you know, using
Speaker 3: their money and influence in state legislatures to try like
Speaker 3: to basically the will of the voters in those red states.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely happening in South Dakota, right. And
Speaker 3: Nate Hoffman has written before he left for a campaign,
Speaker 3: wrote some really great pieces about how big business interests
Speaker 3: in South Dakota with Christy Nome have basically overrun the
Speaker 3: views of the voters in the states via special interest
Speaker 3: power behind the scenes, like none of us. She doesn't
Speaker 3: even give her opinion Nikki Haley that addresses that issue
Speaker 3: and says, no, well, I have a different view whatever
Speaker 3: about what should be done with Disney. She just sidesteps entirely,
Speaker 3: like it doesn't exist. And it's twenty twelve. And that's
Speaker 3: how I feel about a lot of these candidates. Mike
Speaker 3: Pence said something similar or the other the other day,
Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, about you know, Disney
Speaker 3: and attacking a private company. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: where these people came from in their wormhole from twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: but that's what it feels like. It feels like the
Speaker 3: twenty twelve you know show for a lot of these
Speaker 3: candidates said frankly, even aside from them personally, it's really
Speaker 3: it's very disheartening to see so many people in the
Speaker 3: Republican parties still running a playbook as though the last
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Speaker 3: just just you have to understand the world in which
Speaker 3: you're living in. And I think Republican voters, or I
Speaker 3: hope Republican voters do understand that. But it seems like
Speaker 3: so many people in the Republican Party elected officials do not,
Speaker 3: and that's very disheartening.
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Speaker 2: our FK Junior Inez getting not just a surprising surge
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Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans who are saying, I'd take him
Speaker 2: over Biden in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should give him a look.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think underlying that is the huge
Speaker 3: dissatisfaction with Biden as the Democratic nominee, even among Democrats.
Speaker 3: There's been some polls that show more than half of
Speaker 3: Democrats do not want Biden to run again, and a
Speaker 3: lot of that is connected to concerns about his age,
Speaker 3: like very valid concerns about his age. And then I
Speaker 3: guess correspondingly, dissatisfaction with Kamala is the default backup option, right,
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of that is where that
Speaker 3: energy is coming from. Of course, it's also true that
Speaker 3: RFK Junior has gotten a boost from the fact that
Speaker 3: so few people now trust the medical establishment for very
Speaker 3: good reason. He has a longer history. It's not just
Speaker 3: with the COVID vaccine that he's skeptical of, though it's
Speaker 3: you know, some measles vaccine. It's going all the way
Speaker 3: back to polio. I just remember him from my youthful
Speaker 3: in the Bay Area. He was big and Marin County
Speaker 3: among yuppie white liberals who didn't vaccinate their children. So
Speaker 3: he's been around for a while. But I think it
Speaker 3: reflects a dissatisfaction with Biden as the front runner.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's onto something with the general skepticism
Speaker 2: Maybe isn't the right word, but this question first approach
Speaker 2: to our current vaccination regime. Does he take it to
Speaker 2: see my problem is people say, well, Buck, you agree
Speaker 2: with him on COVID stuff, because I was, as you remember,
Speaker 2: anti all that COVID lunacy from the very beginning. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, we agree on COVID. Sure, when we
Speaker 2: talk about the other stuff though, all the other vaccines
Speaker 2: and what he talked about Joe Rogan talked to Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan about recently, is he onto something or is he
Speaker 2: kind of going out in.
Speaker 1: The left field.
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I say. I don't think he's onto
Speaker 3: anything with vaccines and autism, for example, I think there's
Speaker 3: quite long trail of refuting the evidence. There's there's like
Speaker 3: one or two studies that are consistently cited. One of
Speaker 3: them was retracted a long time ago. Right, So I
Speaker 3: don't think he's onto onto something with with going backwards.
Speaker 3: And I think that for example, the NMR vaccine and
Speaker 3: so on have done enormous good, uh for humanity over
Speaker 3: the years. And but but here's the problem, right, if
Speaker 3: you're in a low trust environment where the institutions, medical institutions,
Speaker 3: but really all institutions right from media to you know,
Speaker 3: big corporations to you know obviously our political institutions, Uh,
Speaker 3: the FBI right. It's it's very hard in a low
Speaker 3: trust environment where people rightly have have disabused the gatekeepers
Speaker 3: of the function that they used to have, which was,
Speaker 3: you know, to sort of put their improm a tour
Speaker 3: on information and that people could rely on. Right, those
Speaker 3: gatekeepers have failed, Those institutions have failed. They they've lied
Speaker 3: to us in many important ways over the last especially
Speaker 3: over the last three to five years. Right, So people
Speaker 3: are going to be more skeptical now. This is this
Speaker 3: is a direct consequence of the way that that authority
Speaker 3: was abused and the way that those those institutions abuse
Speaker 3: people's trust in them during COVID and also I would
Speaker 3: say during the Trump presidency generally. So look, do I
Speaker 3: agree with it. No, I think we actually do have
Speaker 3: to start having those conversations. Though I don't think that
Speaker 3: you can dismiss RFK Junior and like take him off
Speaker 3: the you know, the airwaves, can boot him off Twitter,
Speaker 3: you know, take him off YouTube, right, And as though
Speaker 3: that's going to silence people's questions, at this point, you
Speaker 3: actually have to do the hard work of reproving your
Speaker 3: self trustworthy to people. If you are one of these
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Speaker 2: tiny kitten that she is babysitting, we will make an
Speaker 2: appearance on on the on the video stream.
Speaker 1: Here Inez, uh whish we will go to check out
Speaker 1: your work, you.
Speaker 3: Can go to idea uh wow IWF dot org. You
Speaker 3: can check out my work the work of my colleagues
Speaker 3: at the Independent Women's Forum. You can also find me
Speaker 3: on Twitter at ENA's felter, or you can type in
Speaker 3: Nina's step and I'll pop up.
Speaker 1: Fantastic, Enez, Thanks for being with us
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Buck