1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,337 --> 00:00:24,217 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show NYC edition. 5 00:00:25,017 --> 00:00:28,977 Speaker 2: We're joined by my friend Inez Felcher. Stepmansch is a 6 00:00:29,257 --> 00:00:33,937 Speaker 2: fellow at the Independent Women's Forum, a writer, a scholar 7 00:00:34,057 --> 00:00:40,497 Speaker 2: of many things, and currently on tiny adorable kitten babysitting duty. 8 00:00:40,617 --> 00:00:43,137 Speaker 2: I am told so es, thanks for being with us. 9 00:00:44,297 --> 00:00:46,217 Speaker 3: It's great to be here, Buck, And yes, I am. 10 00:00:46,257 --> 00:00:48,177 Speaker 3: It's not my usual setup because I have a tiny 11 00:00:48,257 --> 00:00:49,017 Speaker 3: kitten behind me. 12 00:00:49,297 --> 00:00:51,697 Speaker 2: I have been I have been dealing with my two 13 00:00:51,777 --> 00:00:55,177 Speaker 2: year old nephew, which you know, helping my sister to 14 00:00:55,177 --> 00:00:57,217 Speaker 2: babysit a little bit. And I can tell you that 15 00:00:57,297 --> 00:01:00,697 Speaker 2: the kitten sounds great right about now because the kittens, 16 00:01:00,857 --> 00:01:03,777 Speaker 2: I'm sure, very very easy, very straightforward. All right, let's 17 00:01:03,857 --> 00:01:07,337 Speaker 2: let's jump into this. It does the current situation. I 18 00:01:07,377 --> 00:01:09,937 Speaker 2: saw you tweet on this where you have and this 19 00:01:10,057 --> 00:01:13,257 Speaker 2: This isn't about oh I like this person or oh 20 00:01:13,297 --> 00:01:15,337 Speaker 2: I like that person or this person she would It's 21 00:01:15,377 --> 00:01:20,217 Speaker 2: just an observation on the current political scene. You have 22 00:01:20,897 --> 00:01:25,737 Speaker 2: the front runner for the Republicans indicted and facing almost 23 00:01:25,737 --> 00:01:32,297 Speaker 2: certainly additional felony criminal indictments, and you have a Democrat 24 00:01:32,897 --> 00:01:38,657 Speaker 2: who certainly it seems should be facing impeachment and also 25 00:01:38,897 --> 00:01:41,537 Speaker 2: possibly criminal indictments. 26 00:01:41,777 --> 00:01:43,257 Speaker 1: What does this do to politics? 27 00:01:44,777 --> 00:01:48,577 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, of course that's in reference to the most 28 00:01:48,657 --> 00:01:52,377 Speaker 3: recent whistleblower evidence from these IRS agents who have come 29 00:01:52,377 --> 00:01:56,137 Speaker 3: out and sort of directly accused Biden of being Joe Biden, 30 00:01:56,217 --> 00:02:01,177 Speaker 3: that is, of being involved in his son's corruption. They 31 00:02:01,177 --> 00:02:04,417 Speaker 3: have that signal chat where he's talking about being right 32 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:06,737 Speaker 3: next to his dad and how his dad's influence is 33 00:02:06,777 --> 00:02:09,617 Speaker 3: going to come down on this guy, this Chinese guy, 34 00:02:09,657 --> 00:02:12,497 Speaker 3: like a ton of bricks, if you know, if he 35 00:02:12,537 --> 00:02:15,177 Speaker 3: doesn't hand over the money, right, and this is sort 36 00:02:15,217 --> 00:02:18,657 Speaker 3: of being Joe Biden's bag man. All those accusations now 37 00:02:18,737 --> 00:02:21,537 Speaker 3: out into the public. But I want to take a 38 00:02:21,577 --> 00:02:23,857 Speaker 3: step back, and yes, even on the other side, we 39 00:02:23,897 --> 00:02:26,937 Speaker 3: can talk about political persecution of course of Donald Trump. 40 00:02:27,577 --> 00:02:31,497 Speaker 3: These these latest indictments, federal indictments are on procedure crimes, 41 00:02:31,537 --> 00:02:33,937 Speaker 3: which is very similar to what happened to Mike Flynn. Right. 42 00:02:34,377 --> 00:02:37,257 Speaker 3: They go after you politically and for political purposes, but 43 00:02:37,337 --> 00:02:40,417 Speaker 3: in the course of the investigation. They can try to 44 00:02:40,417 --> 00:02:42,497 Speaker 3: get you for some of the procedure crimes. In Flynn's 45 00:02:42,497 --> 00:02:45,697 Speaker 3: case it was lying to the FBI, and in Donald 46 00:02:45,737 --> 00:02:48,137 Speaker 3: Trump's case it is not responding or not turning over 47 00:02:48,217 --> 00:02:51,377 Speaker 3: documents and response to requests. Okay, these are procedure crimes. 48 00:02:51,697 --> 00:02:53,977 Speaker 3: But at the bottom line, the political bottom line of 49 00:02:54,017 --> 00:02:57,537 Speaker 3: this is you might have two major party candidates running 50 00:02:57,617 --> 00:03:00,857 Speaker 3: against each other in twenty twenty four, where if one wins, 51 00:03:00,857 --> 00:03:03,857 Speaker 3: the other gets indicted and vice versa. That's that's not 52 00:03:03,937 --> 00:03:06,417 Speaker 3: a good incentive for the peaceful transfer of power. That's 53 00:03:06,417 --> 00:03:09,417 Speaker 3: exactly how you know authoritarian regimes start. It's why you 54 00:03:09,417 --> 00:03:12,057 Speaker 3: know banana or publics are banana republics. They get caught 55 00:03:12,137 --> 00:03:15,897 Speaker 3: in these cycles of persecution where it's either hang on 56 00:03:15,977 --> 00:03:17,257 Speaker 3: to power or go to jail. 57 00:03:18,097 --> 00:03:18,337 Speaker 1: Yeah. 58 00:03:18,457 --> 00:03:21,297 Speaker 2: I think that part of this is that for a 59 00:03:21,337 --> 00:03:27,377 Speaker 2: while there's been the standard that has been set is well, 60 00:03:27,497 --> 00:03:30,017 Speaker 2: we're not gonna it's insuring because because I totally agree 61 00:03:30,017 --> 00:03:33,897 Speaker 2: with the concept that this is problematic. You have the 62 00:03:33,937 --> 00:03:37,177 Speaker 2: criminalization of politics at a very broad level happening here. 63 00:03:38,057 --> 00:03:40,097 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of Donald Trump's critic would say, oh, 64 00:03:40,097 --> 00:03:41,577 Speaker 2: but what about locker up Yeah, but he. 65 00:03:41,537 --> 00:03:44,457 Speaker 1: Didn't, right. Uh, he didn't do that when he came 66 00:03:44,497 --> 00:03:45,057 Speaker 1: into power. 67 00:03:45,257 --> 00:03:48,417 Speaker 2: He didn't even appoint a special counsel to look into 68 00:03:48,457 --> 00:03:53,977 Speaker 2: Hillary's Hillary's emails. Before that, though, you had the special 69 00:03:54,017 --> 00:03:56,657 Speaker 2: counsel to try to arrest anybody in the Bush White 70 00:03:56,657 --> 00:04:00,097 Speaker 2: House possible over the Valerie plane non crime. I mean, 71 00:04:00,097 --> 00:04:02,257 Speaker 2: it actually was a non crime. I know a bit 72 00:04:02,257 --> 00:04:03,817 Speaker 2: about this because I was in the CIA when the 73 00:04:03,857 --> 00:04:04,777 Speaker 2: whole league happened. 74 00:04:05,537 --> 00:04:07,697 Speaker 1: It was an accident. They knew it was an accident 75 00:04:07,777 --> 00:04:08,257 Speaker 1: right away. 76 00:04:08,857 --> 00:04:10,777 Speaker 2: Uh, And they decided to have a fit wishing expedition 77 00:04:10,817 --> 00:04:13,617 Speaker 2: to go after again the Bush administration, to go after 78 00:04:14,577 --> 00:04:17,537 Speaker 2: either the Vice President Cheney or Carl Rove, then the 79 00:04:17,577 --> 00:04:20,097 Speaker 2: White House chief of staff, and then of course Bill 80 00:04:20,137 --> 00:04:21,777 Speaker 2: Clinton lying under oath. 81 00:04:22,497 --> 00:04:26,057 Speaker 1: What do we do about the It can't continue. 82 00:04:25,537 --> 00:04:28,057 Speaker 2: To be This is the other argument you hear right, 83 00:04:28,497 --> 00:04:31,457 Speaker 2: that if we don't enforce the law, because this time 84 00:04:31,497 --> 00:04:33,537 Speaker 2: it would be too hard to enforce the law, we 85 00:04:33,577 --> 00:04:34,777 Speaker 2: start to erase the law. 86 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:36,577 Speaker 1: Right because what people. 87 00:04:36,297 --> 00:04:39,137 Speaker 2: Are saying right now is, well, you can't just keep 88 00:04:39,177 --> 00:04:42,977 Speaker 2: pointing out that Hillary didn't get prosecuted, Bill didn't get prosecuted. 89 00:04:43,017 --> 00:04:44,897 Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess they would say Republicans Trump 90 00:04:44,897 --> 00:04:49,177 Speaker 2: didn'tet prosecuted last time as a defense against this going forward, 91 00:04:49,297 --> 00:04:50,577 Speaker 2: do you see what I mean? Like, so, what do 92 00:04:50,617 --> 00:04:50,977 Speaker 2: we do. 93 00:04:52,817 --> 00:04:55,617 Speaker 3: Well? Two things, One of course, is that the ostensible 94 00:04:55,617 --> 00:04:58,497 Speaker 3: adults in the room once again are proving themselves, you know, 95 00:04:58,617 --> 00:05:01,017 Speaker 3: less self restrained than Donald Trump, who, as you say, 96 00:05:01,137 --> 00:05:03,057 Speaker 3: did not lock her up and in fact came out 97 00:05:03,297 --> 00:05:05,537 Speaker 3: and made a statement to the country about how that 98 00:05:05,577 --> 00:05:07,977 Speaker 3: would be bad for the country. And so once again 99 00:05:08,017 --> 00:05:11,497 Speaker 3: they're showing less self restraint a guy with a very 100 00:05:11,497 --> 00:05:14,217 Speaker 3: twitchy Twitter finger, I guess truth finger these days, right, 101 00:05:14,297 --> 00:05:17,217 Speaker 3: So it's kind of one of those backwards things where 102 00:05:17,217 --> 00:05:20,017 Speaker 3: people are claiming to be the serious ones, the adult ones, 103 00:05:20,017 --> 00:05:22,377 Speaker 3: the normal ones, in which they're actually breaking much more 104 00:05:22,417 --> 00:05:25,577 Speaker 3: important norms than Donald Trump ever did. But in terms 105 00:05:25,577 --> 00:05:28,577 Speaker 3: of this cycle, yeah, it's very very difficult to get 106 00:05:28,577 --> 00:05:30,617 Speaker 3: out of this cycle. So I'd say two things. One, 107 00:05:31,097 --> 00:05:33,457 Speaker 3: that's why we don't break this president two hundred and 108 00:05:33,457 --> 00:05:36,777 Speaker 3: fifty years and we haven't prosecuted a former president or 109 00:05:36,817 --> 00:05:40,377 Speaker 3: current presidential candidate other than perhaps Eugene Debs, who was 110 00:05:40,417 --> 00:05:43,097 Speaker 3: never like actually going to be president, right, he was 111 00:05:43,137 --> 00:05:46,737 Speaker 3: like a two percent guy. That the reason that norm 112 00:05:46,817 --> 00:05:49,417 Speaker 3: was so important is exactly to avoid this kind of 113 00:05:49,497 --> 00:05:52,457 Speaker 3: cycle once you start it. Look, one of the many 114 00:05:52,497 --> 00:05:55,057 Speaker 3: reasons that Julius Caesar actually crossed the rubicon. I know 115 00:05:55,097 --> 00:05:57,537 Speaker 3: it's a popular metaphor these days, but one of the 116 00:05:57,537 --> 00:06:00,137 Speaker 3: many reasons Julius Caesar crossed the rubicon with his army 117 00:06:00,177 --> 00:06:02,177 Speaker 3: is when he gave when he if he were to 118 00:06:02,217 --> 00:06:06,417 Speaker 3: give up his position, right, his political position, when he 119 00:06:06,457 --> 00:06:09,177 Speaker 3: was going to resign basically from his political position, he 120 00:06:09,297 --> 00:06:11,937 Speaker 3: was open to prosecution, and he knew his enemies would 121 00:06:11,937 --> 00:06:15,137 Speaker 3: come in and prosecute him. Right. So this this is 122 00:06:15,217 --> 00:06:19,097 Speaker 3: again how dictatorships get started, how peaceful transitions of power die. 123 00:06:19,537 --> 00:06:21,577 Speaker 3: And as far as you know, no one's above the law, 124 00:06:21,657 --> 00:06:24,697 Speaker 3: which people also keep repeating, you know, in terms of 125 00:06:24,897 --> 00:06:28,497 Speaker 3: norms for a republic, I find it much less scary that, 126 00:06:28,657 --> 00:06:31,697 Speaker 3: you know, all five or six of our living former 127 00:06:31,817 --> 00:06:35,097 Speaker 3: you know, presidents get away with some tickie tac bs, right, 128 00:06:35,217 --> 00:06:38,177 Speaker 3: Like they have a few documents they shouldn't have in 129 00:06:38,257 --> 00:06:40,977 Speaker 3: some I don't know, for example, in their in their 130 00:06:42,137 --> 00:06:46,817 Speaker 3: their garages next to their corvettes. Right. I I far 131 00:06:46,937 --> 00:06:50,617 Speaker 3: prefer that as a scenario than entering into this this 132 00:06:50,737 --> 00:06:54,137 Speaker 3: cycle that brings down republics and and regimes. Right, So 133 00:06:55,217 --> 00:06:57,897 Speaker 3: it's a matter of what's a more important norm, And 134 00:06:58,017 --> 00:07:01,537 Speaker 3: for me, there's no contest. I'd rather not prosecute a 135 00:07:01,537 --> 00:07:04,697 Speaker 3: handful of people for things that are anything less than 136 00:07:04,737 --> 00:07:08,097 Speaker 3: shooting someone on Fifth Avenue than than enter into something 137 00:07:08,137 --> 00:07:08,857 Speaker 3: that's so dangerous. 138 00:07:08,897 --> 00:07:10,857 Speaker 2: I think that's a critical point. I often say this 139 00:07:10,937 --> 00:07:14,937 Speaker 2: on the radio. If we were talking about a current 140 00:07:15,017 --> 00:07:20,577 Speaker 2: presidential candidate who had gotten drunk and in vehicular manslaughter, 141 00:07:20,697 --> 00:07:22,697 Speaker 2: you know, kill the family of four by t boning 142 00:07:22,697 --> 00:07:25,737 Speaker 2: them in an intersection, the guy's got to go to prison, right, 143 00:07:25,737 --> 00:07:27,937 Speaker 2: Like this is that there are levels which it doesn't 144 00:07:27,977 --> 00:07:31,657 Speaker 2: make everybody would understand. You know, you can't murder people, 145 00:07:31,777 --> 00:07:34,017 Speaker 2: you can't rape somebody, you can't do some a horrible, 146 00:07:34,057 --> 00:07:36,497 Speaker 2: hateous crime and say, oh, I'm running for office. But 147 00:07:37,097 --> 00:07:40,697 Speaker 2: a document dispute with the National Archives like that, that 148 00:07:40,737 --> 00:07:44,017 Speaker 2: doesn't that's not going to cut it. I think that 149 00:07:44,697 --> 00:07:47,537 Speaker 2: anybody who's being honest about what's best for the country 150 00:07:48,257 --> 00:07:50,217 Speaker 2: is at least able to see the merit of that 151 00:07:50,377 --> 00:07:51,377 Speaker 2: argument at some level. 152 00:07:52,737 --> 00:07:54,537 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's kind of the Omar 153 00:07:54,617 --> 00:07:56,977 Speaker 3: little quote from the wire right. If you come at 154 00:07:56,977 --> 00:07:58,937 Speaker 3: the King, you best not missed, you bet. If you 155 00:07:58,937 --> 00:08:02,257 Speaker 3: are going to break that two hundred and fifty year norm, 156 00:08:02,657 --> 00:08:05,977 Speaker 3: you better have irrefutable evidence and you better be completely 157 00:08:06,017 --> 00:08:09,137 Speaker 3: above suspicion that this is a political prosecution. So you know, 158 00:08:09,177 --> 00:08:11,497 Speaker 3: if you have tape of some body going the wrong 159 00:08:11,537 --> 00:08:13,697 Speaker 3: way on the highway and smashing into you know, a 160 00:08:13,697 --> 00:08:16,257 Speaker 3: family of four in your example, then of course you 161 00:08:16,257 --> 00:08:19,777 Speaker 3: should prosecute. People aren't above the law. But it's so 162 00:08:19,897 --> 00:08:22,097 Speaker 3: important to avoid even the appearance. And here we have 163 00:08:22,137 --> 00:08:24,777 Speaker 3: a lot more than appearance. We have piece of evidence 164 00:08:24,817 --> 00:08:29,137 Speaker 3: after evidence after evidence that this is a politically selective prosecution. 165 00:08:29,577 --> 00:08:32,577 Speaker 3: The impression of that, giving half the country the impression, 166 00:08:33,097 --> 00:08:35,657 Speaker 3: the correct impression in this case, that the justice system 167 00:08:35,737 --> 00:08:37,857 Speaker 3: is two tiered based on whether you agree with the 168 00:08:37,857 --> 00:08:41,537 Speaker 3: party in power or not, is so much more dangerous 169 00:08:41,577 --> 00:08:43,977 Speaker 3: than any kind of little document dispute could ever be. 170 00:08:44,457 --> 00:08:46,777 Speaker 3: And this is just I mean, like I said, this 171 00:08:46,817 --> 00:08:49,337 Speaker 3: is sort of ticky tax stuff to bring down republics over. 172 00:08:50,217 --> 00:08:52,057 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a question, but I want 173 00:08:52,097 --> 00:08:54,457 Speaker 2: you to answer. 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I mean this does remind people of the 207 00:10:31,817 --> 00:10:33,617 Speaker 3: Aleppo moment, right, Yes. 208 00:10:33,577 --> 00:10:37,577 Speaker 1: And Gary Johnson, I remember that one. 209 00:10:38,737 --> 00:10:42,097 Speaker 3: No, I mean look not in reality. You know, the 210 00:10:42,137 --> 00:10:44,977 Speaker 3: president doesn't need to know everything about what's happening all 211 00:10:45,017 --> 00:10:46,617 Speaker 3: over the world. What he needs to do is to 212 00:10:46,617 --> 00:10:48,937 Speaker 3: be able to hire good advisors who he trusts to 213 00:10:48,937 --> 00:10:53,937 Speaker 3: give him good advice and then use his judgment about situations. 214 00:10:53,937 --> 00:10:56,617 Speaker 3: So I don't know that any particular thing is disqualifying. 215 00:10:56,657 --> 00:10:59,777 Speaker 3: I will point out that even Rudy Giuliani was criticized 216 00:10:59,817 --> 00:11:02,217 Speaker 3: for running for president, like the big hit against him 217 00:11:02,297 --> 00:11:04,057 Speaker 3: was that he had only been mayor, and that was 218 00:11:04,137 --> 00:11:07,217 Speaker 3: mayor of New York City, right, which is nine million 219 00:11:07,337 --> 00:11:11,137 Speaker 3: people and larger than me than some states. 220 00:11:11,217 --> 00:11:15,057 Speaker 2: Right, I think I think it's larger than almost most states, 221 00:11:15,097 --> 00:11:16,857 Speaker 2: Is that right, I'll put that out there, a lot 222 00:11:16,897 --> 00:11:18,857 Speaker 2: of states, Like definitely a lot bigger than a lot 223 00:11:18,897 --> 00:11:19,257 Speaker 2: of states. 224 00:11:19,297 --> 00:11:22,537 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Like So the idea that you can run 225 00:11:22,577 --> 00:11:24,577 Speaker 3: I mean, Miami is great, don't get me wrong. But 226 00:11:24,657 --> 00:11:27,177 Speaker 3: the idea that you can run for president directly by 227 00:11:27,177 --> 00:11:29,737 Speaker 3: being mayor of Miami as a stepping stone, I think 228 00:11:29,857 --> 00:11:32,697 Speaker 3: is a little absurd. Of course, this is a political 229 00:11:32,737 --> 00:11:36,577 Speaker 3: outsider era that we live in, but I think somebody 230 00:11:36,577 --> 00:11:39,417 Speaker 3: with a resume entirely out of politics is a different 231 00:11:39,457 --> 00:11:41,897 Speaker 3: thing than somebody who's still on in sort of the 232 00:11:42,377 --> 00:11:44,777 Speaker 3: minor leagues and then deciding that he could step up 233 00:11:44,777 --> 00:11:46,777 Speaker 3: and run for president seems a little ridiculous to. 234 00:11:46,777 --> 00:11:50,377 Speaker 2: It is Is this just now a purely a branding 235 00:11:50,417 --> 00:11:53,177 Speaker 2: exercise for a lot of people. It feels like we 236 00:11:53,217 --> 00:11:56,577 Speaker 2: have Republican content or I should say presidential contest, but 237 00:11:56,577 --> 00:11:59,017 Speaker 2: the Republican primaries the one all I will ask you 238 00:11:59,057 --> 00:12:01,537 Speaker 2: about RFK in a second, because it feels like there's 239 00:12:01,537 --> 00:12:04,417 Speaker 2: almost a shadow Democrat primary going on, which we'll get to. 240 00:12:05,137 --> 00:12:07,697 Speaker 2: But on the Republican side of things, you got some 241 00:12:07,817 --> 00:12:10,497 Speaker 2: people who seem to be running so that they can 242 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:15,697 Speaker 2: be a Trump cabinet appointee, which is weird, right, because 243 00:12:15,817 --> 00:12:17,857 Speaker 2: shouldn't you be trying to take down the number one guy. 244 00:12:17,897 --> 00:12:20,217 Speaker 2: They're all like, well, I would be good. Trump would 245 00:12:20,257 --> 00:12:23,097 Speaker 2: be better as president, but I would be good. And 246 00:12:23,137 --> 00:12:24,937 Speaker 2: then you've also got people who it seems like they're 247 00:12:24,937 --> 00:12:26,097 Speaker 2: just trying to sell more books? 248 00:12:26,577 --> 00:12:29,097 Speaker 1: Is it that symbol? Am I being too dismissive? 249 00:12:29,617 --> 00:12:32,457 Speaker 2: Is this part of like the flowering of our democracy 250 00:12:32,537 --> 00:12:34,577 Speaker 2: or whatever? Is that you get people with less than 251 00:12:34,577 --> 00:12:36,737 Speaker 2: one percent who tell it everybody that want to be president? 252 00:12:36,737 --> 00:12:37,257 Speaker 1: What do you think? 253 00:12:38,617 --> 00:12:41,577 Speaker 3: Look, I don't think it's going to stop happening. You 254 00:12:41,577 --> 00:12:46,417 Speaker 3: combine several ingredients, huge egos, a single billionaire backer, you're 255 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:49,137 Speaker 3: going to have a presidential run. Right, there's no downside 256 00:12:49,177 --> 00:12:51,177 Speaker 3: to any of these people running. We're going to know 257 00:12:51,217 --> 00:12:53,537 Speaker 3: their names better, we're going to know their faces better. Yes, 258 00:12:53,617 --> 00:12:57,337 Speaker 3: maybe they can sell more books. Right, Look, it's some 259 00:12:58,057 --> 00:13:01,977 Speaker 3: sort of outside shot. Presidential candidates I think are or 260 00:13:02,057 --> 00:13:05,177 Speaker 3: rather runs are worth it. Right, if you really want 261 00:13:05,217 --> 00:13:08,337 Speaker 3: to shine the spotlight on a particular issue, for example, 262 00:13:08,617 --> 00:13:10,817 Speaker 3: if you want to be identified as single with a 263 00:13:10,897 --> 00:13:13,897 Speaker 3: single issue and just launch that issue into the national stage. 264 00:13:14,097 --> 00:13:15,897 Speaker 3: I think it's one way to do it, but it's 265 00:13:16,057 --> 00:13:18,337 Speaker 3: bottom line, it's not going to stop. All the incentives 266 00:13:18,337 --> 00:13:20,177 Speaker 3: are in one direction, all the you know that the 267 00:13:20,177 --> 00:13:22,857 Speaker 3: consultants get get a ton of cash for you know, 268 00:13:23,297 --> 00:13:26,897 Speaker 3: managing these these campaigns that have absolutely no shot at 269 00:13:26,937 --> 00:13:29,937 Speaker 3: it whatsoever. So unfortunately, all the incentives are aligned that way, 270 00:13:29,937 --> 00:13:31,497 Speaker 3: and I don't see it going away, these kinds of 271 00:13:31,537 --> 00:13:33,537 Speaker 3: like vanity bids going away anytime soon. 272 00:13:35,017 --> 00:13:37,617 Speaker 2: Who do you think if you had to pick somebody 273 00:13:37,857 --> 00:13:43,337 Speaker 2: who has who is or will Or has That's what 274 00:13:43,337 --> 00:13:46,697 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, will Or has outperformed expectations on 275 00:13:46,737 --> 00:13:48,977 Speaker 2: the Republican side, who would that be for you? 276 00:13:51,337 --> 00:13:52,937 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know. I feel like 277 00:13:52,977 --> 00:13:57,057 Speaker 3: I had pretty low expectations for a lot of these people. 278 00:13:57,897 --> 00:13:59,737 Speaker 1: Answer ever, she's like, she's like, I mean, I thought 279 00:13:59,777 --> 00:14:01,577 Speaker 1: all of them were kind of gonna be, you know, 280 00:14:01,657 --> 00:14:03,097 Speaker 1: not good. But go ahead. 281 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:07,177 Speaker 3: Well, so, you know, DeSantis, you can't say he's outperformed expectations. 282 00:14:07,177 --> 00:14:10,297 Speaker 3: If anything, he's underperformed expectations because the expectation was was 283 00:14:10,337 --> 00:14:12,857 Speaker 3: going to come in as a strong sort of number two, 284 00:14:12,897 --> 00:14:14,977 Speaker 3: and what we have is him as definitely a strong 285 00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:15,817 Speaker 3: a number. 286 00:14:15,857 --> 00:14:18,057 Speaker 1: He's number two, but he's way way back. Yeah, he's 287 00:14:18,057 --> 00:14:18,537 Speaker 1: way but. 288 00:14:18,697 --> 00:14:22,217 Speaker 3: He's considered play far back. And then there is literally 289 00:14:22,217 --> 00:14:25,097 Speaker 3: nothing Nikki Haley could do that would drop my estimation 290 00:14:25,177 --> 00:14:27,497 Speaker 3: of her lower But. 291 00:14:27,817 --> 00:14:31,377 Speaker 2: I guess, wait, can you expand on that, expand on 292 00:14:31,417 --> 00:14:34,857 Speaker 2: that drill into this one? I like, I like inez 293 00:14:34,977 --> 00:14:37,777 Speaker 2: letting it fly? Why are you auntie, Nikki Haley? 294 00:14:39,817 --> 00:14:42,017 Speaker 3: God, there's so many reasons, but but I mean, just 295 00:14:42,057 --> 00:14:44,537 Speaker 3: start with the way that she entered the race, playing 296 00:14:44,617 --> 00:14:48,017 Speaker 3: on her sex and her skin color. You know, there 297 00:14:48,097 --> 00:14:50,817 Speaker 3: is this part of the Republican Party that is just 298 00:14:50,857 --> 00:14:53,897 Speaker 3: as thirsty for affirmative actions as the left. I find 299 00:14:53,897 --> 00:14:56,937 Speaker 3: it really cringe and pathetic. You should not be, you know, 300 00:14:57,097 --> 00:15:00,857 Speaker 3: running on your characteristics as a woman and as a 301 00:15:00,857 --> 00:15:03,417 Speaker 3: person of color. I just find this like very like 302 00:15:03,497 --> 00:15:07,137 Speaker 3: left winging cringey. And then she She's proved over and 303 00:15:07,137 --> 00:15:10,737 Speaker 3: over again she doesn't understand the actual world. We're with 304 00:15:10,857 --> 00:15:13,577 Speaker 3: her remarks about Disney, where she just said, oh, hey, 305 00:15:13,697 --> 00:15:16,097 Speaker 3: you know, come on down to South Carolina, We'll take 306 00:15:16,137 --> 00:15:20,417 Speaker 3: those jobs, like not even acknowledging the issue that corporate 307 00:15:20,417 --> 00:15:24,177 Speaker 3: America has swung so far left in the cultural on 308 00:15:24,217 --> 00:15:27,057 Speaker 3: the cultural issues, and then it's actually, you know, using 309 00:15:27,217 --> 00:15:30,617 Speaker 3: their money and influence in state legislatures to try like 310 00:15:30,777 --> 00:15:34,737 Speaker 3: to basically the will of the voters in those red states. 311 00:15:34,737 --> 00:15:38,337 Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely happening in South Dakota, right. And 312 00:15:38,457 --> 00:15:41,457 Speaker 3: Nate Hoffman has written before he left for a campaign, 313 00:15:41,857 --> 00:15:44,657 Speaker 3: wrote some really great pieces about how big business interests 314 00:15:44,657 --> 00:15:49,977 Speaker 3: in South Dakota with Christy Nome have basically overrun the 315 00:15:50,537 --> 00:15:53,297 Speaker 3: views of the voters in the states via special interest 316 00:15:53,297 --> 00:15:55,577 Speaker 3: power behind the scenes, like none of us. She doesn't 317 00:15:55,617 --> 00:15:59,257 Speaker 3: even give her opinion Nikki Haley that addresses that issue 318 00:15:59,257 --> 00:16:01,617 Speaker 3: and says, no, well, I have a different view whatever 319 00:16:01,657 --> 00:16:04,497 Speaker 3: about what should be done with Disney. She just sidesteps entirely, 320 00:16:04,537 --> 00:16:07,217 Speaker 3: like it doesn't exist. And it's twenty twelve. And that's 321 00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:09,057 Speaker 3: how I feel about a lot of these candidates. Mike 322 00:16:09,097 --> 00:16:11,537 Speaker 3: Pence said something similar or the other the other day, 323 00:16:11,617 --> 00:16:13,537 Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, about you know, Disney 324 00:16:13,577 --> 00:16:15,777 Speaker 3: and attacking a private company. I mean, I don't know 325 00:16:15,817 --> 00:16:18,697 Speaker 3: where these people came from in their wormhole from twenty twelve, 326 00:16:18,737 --> 00:16:20,177 Speaker 3: but that's what it feels like. It feels like the 327 00:16:20,217 --> 00:16:23,217 Speaker 3: twenty twelve you know show for a lot of these 328 00:16:23,257 --> 00:16:27,577 Speaker 3: candidates said frankly, even aside from them personally, it's really 329 00:16:28,457 --> 00:16:31,097 Speaker 3: it's very disheartening to see so many people in the 330 00:16:31,097 --> 00:16:34,777 Speaker 3: Republican parties still running a playbook as though the last 331 00:16:34,777 --> 00:16:38,377 Speaker 3: five years didn't happen. Like regardless of who you like, Trump, DeSantis, whatever, 332 00:16:38,457 --> 00:16:41,297 Speaker 3: like one of these candidates help Chris CHRISTI right, like 333 00:16:41,697 --> 00:16:45,137 Speaker 3: just just you have to understand the world in which 334 00:16:45,137 --> 00:16:47,297 Speaker 3: you're living in. And I think Republican voters, or I 335 00:16:47,337 --> 00:16:49,777 Speaker 3: hope Republican voters do understand that. But it seems like 336 00:16:49,897 --> 00:16:53,417 Speaker 3: so many people in the Republican Party elected officials do not, 337 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:54,737 Speaker 3: and that's very disheartening. 338 00:16:55,617 --> 00:16:58,457 Speaker 2: So let's talk RFK Junior in just a second hearing, 339 00:16:58,537 --> 00:17:00,817 Speaker 2: as I really want to get your take on why 340 00:17:00,857 --> 00:17:03,737 Speaker 2: he's catching on as much as he has, really out 341 00:17:03,777 --> 00:17:04,977 Speaker 2: of out of nowhere other. 342 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:06,697 Speaker 1: Than having a very very famous last name. 343 00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:09,337 Speaker 2: We'll get into this in just a second, but first off, 344 00:17:09,377 --> 00:17:12,377 Speaker 2: famed economy and best selling author Nomi Prinz is out 345 00:17:12,377 --> 00:17:14,817 Speaker 2: with a new warning. 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Why is 363 00:18:06,497 --> 00:18:12,377 Speaker 2: our FK Junior Inez getting not just a surprising surge 364 00:18:12,377 --> 00:18:15,377 Speaker 2: of support from a lot of Democrats, but I know 365 00:18:15,417 --> 00:18:18,217 Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans who are saying, I'd take him 366 00:18:18,217 --> 00:18:19,577 Speaker 2: over Biden in a heartbeat. 367 00:18:19,657 --> 00:18:20,937 Speaker 1: Maybe we should give him a look. 368 00:18:22,817 --> 00:18:25,777 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think underlying that is the huge 369 00:18:26,017 --> 00:18:30,257 Speaker 3: dissatisfaction with Biden as the Democratic nominee, even among Democrats. 370 00:18:30,857 --> 00:18:33,417 Speaker 3: There's been some polls that show more than half of 371 00:18:33,497 --> 00:18:37,057 Speaker 3: Democrats do not want Biden to run again, and a 372 00:18:37,057 --> 00:18:39,617 Speaker 3: lot of that is connected to concerns about his age, 373 00:18:39,697 --> 00:18:42,817 Speaker 3: like very valid concerns about his age. And then I 374 00:18:42,817 --> 00:18:47,057 Speaker 3: guess correspondingly, dissatisfaction with Kamala is the default backup option, right, 375 00:18:47,177 --> 00:18:49,657 Speaker 3: So I think a lot of that is where that 376 00:18:49,737 --> 00:18:52,417 Speaker 3: energy is coming from. Of course, it's also true that 377 00:18:52,497 --> 00:18:54,977 Speaker 3: RFK Junior has gotten a boost from the fact that 378 00:18:55,017 --> 00:18:58,097 Speaker 3: so few people now trust the medical establishment for very 379 00:18:58,097 --> 00:19:01,097 Speaker 3: good reason. He has a longer history. It's not just 380 00:19:01,177 --> 00:19:04,657 Speaker 3: with the COVID vaccine that he's skeptical of, though it's 381 00:19:04,697 --> 00:19:06,817 Speaker 3: you know, some measles vaccine. It's going all the way 382 00:19:06,857 --> 00:19:09,977 Speaker 3: back to polio. I just remember him from my youthful 383 00:19:11,257 --> 00:19:13,497 Speaker 3: in the Bay Area. He was big and Marin County 384 00:19:13,497 --> 00:19:17,137 Speaker 3: among yuppie white liberals who didn't vaccinate their children. So 385 00:19:17,337 --> 00:19:19,937 Speaker 3: he's been around for a while. But I think it 386 00:19:20,017 --> 00:19:23,137 Speaker 3: reflects a dissatisfaction with Biden as the front runner. 387 00:19:23,297 --> 00:19:29,977 Speaker 2: Do you think he's onto something with the general skepticism 388 00:19:30,017 --> 00:19:35,297 Speaker 2: Maybe isn't the right word, but this question first approach 389 00:19:35,537 --> 00:19:39,577 Speaker 2: to our current vaccination regime. Does he take it to 390 00:19:39,617 --> 00:19:42,497 Speaker 2: see my problem is people say, well, Buck, you agree 391 00:19:42,537 --> 00:19:45,857 Speaker 2: with him on COVID stuff, because I was, as you remember, 392 00:19:46,337 --> 00:19:50,057 Speaker 2: anti all that COVID lunacy from the very beginning. So 393 00:19:50,097 --> 00:19:52,937 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, we agree on COVID. Sure, when we 394 00:19:52,977 --> 00:19:55,697 Speaker 2: talk about the other stuff though, all the other vaccines 395 00:19:55,697 --> 00:19:57,697 Speaker 2: and what he talked about Joe Rogan talked to Joe 396 00:19:57,777 --> 00:20:00,937 Speaker 2: Rogan about recently, is he onto something or is he 397 00:20:01,017 --> 00:20:01,777 Speaker 2: kind of going out in. 398 00:20:01,777 --> 00:20:02,817 Speaker 1: The left field. 399 00:20:04,137 --> 00:20:05,777 Speaker 3: Well, here's what I say. I don't think he's onto 400 00:20:05,817 --> 00:20:09,097 Speaker 3: anything with vaccines and autism, for example, I think there's 401 00:20:09,737 --> 00:20:15,337 Speaker 3: quite long trail of refuting the evidence. There's there's like 402 00:20:15,377 --> 00:20:18,017 Speaker 3: one or two studies that are consistently cited. One of 403 00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:20,977 Speaker 3: them was retracted a long time ago. Right, So I 404 00:20:20,977 --> 00:20:24,337 Speaker 3: don't think he's onto onto something with with going backwards. 405 00:20:24,417 --> 00:20:27,017 Speaker 3: And I think that for example, the NMR vaccine and 406 00:20:27,017 --> 00:20:30,617 Speaker 3: so on have done enormous good, uh for humanity over 407 00:20:30,657 --> 00:20:33,257 Speaker 3: the years. And but but here's the problem, right, if 408 00:20:33,297 --> 00:20:37,017 Speaker 3: you're in a low trust environment where the institutions, medical institutions, 409 00:20:37,017 --> 00:20:40,217 Speaker 3: but really all institutions right from media to you know, 410 00:20:40,217 --> 00:20:45,177 Speaker 3: big corporations to you know obviously our political institutions, Uh, 411 00:20:45,457 --> 00:20:48,617 Speaker 3: the FBI right. It's it's very hard in a low 412 00:20:48,657 --> 00:20:53,377 Speaker 3: trust environment where people rightly have have disabused the gatekeepers 413 00:20:53,417 --> 00:20:55,297 Speaker 3: of the function that they used to have, which was, 414 00:20:55,537 --> 00:20:57,097 Speaker 3: you know, to sort of put their improm a tour 415 00:20:57,217 --> 00:21:00,617 Speaker 3: on information and that people could rely on. Right, those 416 00:21:00,657 --> 00:21:04,057 Speaker 3: gatekeepers have failed, Those institutions have failed. They they've lied 417 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,177 Speaker 3: to us in many important ways over the last especially 418 00:21:07,177 --> 00:21:10,577 Speaker 3: over the last three to five years. Right, So people 419 00:21:10,617 --> 00:21:12,457 Speaker 3: are going to be more skeptical now. This is this 420 00:21:12,497 --> 00:21:15,537 Speaker 3: is a direct consequence of the way that that authority 421 00:21:15,697 --> 00:21:19,697 Speaker 3: was abused and the way that those those institutions abuse 422 00:21:19,817 --> 00:21:22,817 Speaker 3: people's trust in them during COVID and also I would 423 00:21:22,857 --> 00:21:26,817 Speaker 3: say during the Trump presidency generally. So look, do I 424 00:21:26,857 --> 00:21:29,137 Speaker 3: agree with it. No, I think we actually do have 425 00:21:29,177 --> 00:21:31,097 Speaker 3: to start having those conversations. Though I don't think that 426 00:21:31,177 --> 00:21:34,297 Speaker 3: you can dismiss RFK Junior and like take him off 427 00:21:34,297 --> 00:21:36,257 Speaker 3: the you know, the airwaves, can boot him off Twitter, 428 00:21:36,297 --> 00:21:39,017 Speaker 3: you know, take him off YouTube, right, And as though 429 00:21:39,017 --> 00:21:42,217 Speaker 3: that's going to silence people's questions, at this point, you 430 00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:45,137 Speaker 3: actually have to do the hard work of reproving your 431 00:21:45,177 --> 00:21:47,697 Speaker 3: self trustworthy to people. If you are one of these 432 00:21:47,697 --> 00:21:50,377 Speaker 3: institutions that wants to make pronouncements. 433 00:21:50,897 --> 00:21:53,817 Speaker 2: In as I have one final request for you before 434 00:21:53,817 --> 00:21:57,217 Speaker 2: we close out the show today, but I'll get to 435 00:21:57,297 --> 00:21:59,977 Speaker 2: it in a second. 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Maybe I shouldn't have all men. 462 00:23:07,457 --> 00:23:09,937 Speaker 1: Oh I'm not delivery here, all right. I should accord 463 00:23:09,977 --> 00:23:11,777 Speaker 1: it that there was with this with you before. 464 00:23:11,817 --> 00:23:15,017 Speaker 2: And I promise everybody at home next time the adorable 465 00:23:15,017 --> 00:23:18,297 Speaker 2: tiny kitten that she is babysitting, we will make an 466 00:23:18,297 --> 00:23:21,137 Speaker 2: appearance on on the on the video stream. 467 00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:23,017 Speaker 1: Here Inez, uh whish we will go to check out 468 00:23:23,057 --> 00:23:24,977 Speaker 1: your work, you. 469 00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:28,857 Speaker 3: Can go to idea uh wow IWF dot org. You 470 00:23:28,857 --> 00:23:30,777 Speaker 3: can check out my work the work of my colleagues 471 00:23:31,337 --> 00:23:33,297 Speaker 3: at the Independent Women's Forum. 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