1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: look for the latest news. In you follow you discuss 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: some of the classic cases and bring you the latest 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: information from the newest cases as we talked with the 15 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: top experts. 16 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: Welcome to be on Contact today. I'm going to be 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: speaking with UFO researcher Melinda Leslie. Melinda has been an 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: investigator of UFOs and the government cover up for over 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: thirty five years. For the last fourteen years, she's been 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: the owner of the UFO Sightings Tours in Sedona, Arizona, 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 4: where she has conducted night watch tours with the use 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: of military night vision goggles. Most recently, she's been uncovering 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: what appears to be a deep underground military base hidden 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: in Sedona, Arizona. This has been featured on a New 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 4: News Nation investigative show called Hunting UFOs the Desert Sky Mystery. 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 4: Hey Melinda, how you doing good? 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: Wonderful, glad to be here. Thanks for having me. 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely nice to see you. Yeah, so it seems like 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: you guys have 'tcovered some strong evidence for there being 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: a base under Arizona Sadana. 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Ron so much. Yeah, I'm part of 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 6: a team of people doing an investigation. And there's the 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 6: sightings we're seeing every night associated with it, and the 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 6: evidence and people having confrontations with the guards outside the base, 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 6: and it's many entrances. Is let's just say it's not 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 6: a secret that there was a base here in Sedona, 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 6: like locals and other people have been rumored for a 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 6: long time. Veteran researcher Tom Domgo had researched it a 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 6: little bit. But what we realize now as we're working 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 6: together as a team, we're all like independent people doing 41 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 6: this research and we joined together because we realized we 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 6: had so much data individually and so many cases and 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 6: so many witnesses and everything and documentation. When we pulled 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 6: it together, we realized what a giant story it was, 45 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 6: and that the base was much bigger than any of 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 6: us had realized. I mean, some insiders who've worked there 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 6: claimed it goes over three miles in depth, and we 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 6: have tunnels that go so fifteen and twenty miles this 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 6: way and ten to fifteen twenty miles that way, and 50 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 6: they're all this complex tunnel system for the same facility, 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 6: and some of the insiders have come forward said it's 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 6: actually separate little facilities connected by this elaborate tunnel system. 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 6: I mean, it's a huge, sprawling complex. We now know 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 6: that with large tunnels we can get into that and 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 6: the evidence for that, and it's just it's so exciting, 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 6: and you know, we came forward with the subject. We 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 6: jokingly say on the team, we're almost doing a little 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 6: prematurely as far as look, do we have all the evidence, 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 6: all the final facts. No, but we thought we got 60 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 6: to tell people because that's how you get witnesses and 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 6: insiders and people coming forward who know more about it. 62 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 6: So by putting it out there. We're getting feedback. We're 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 6: getting and we have had witnesses. Because we've have. 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: You hadity of the guys that worked at the base 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: come forward and talk to you on camera. 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 6: Well, my understanding is Ross Colthart has talked to two 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 6: of these individuals. Now we have had others, but not 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 6: on camera interviews. My team members did record audio and 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 6: then or took it and or took extensive notes. 70 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: But Ross did interview two people. 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: Or. 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 6: Now here's the thing though Ross says they're not willing 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 6: to go on camera. Now, that doesn't mean they didn't already. 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 6: That means he can't Eric, you know, so somebody kind 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 6: of pulled back who was willing to do it, and 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 6: that was supposed to be part of our special that 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 6: just aired. I had met Ross over the years long 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 6: story short, and I went to him with this story 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 6: and I said, look, I think we got a big 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 6: story here, and he shared it with NewsNation their executives 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 6: and they showed interest, and they came out late last 82 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 6: year and did all their filming and then they combined 83 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 6: it with these other segments that are about UFOs in Arizona, 84 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 6: like they had doctor Lind Katai on and you know 85 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 6: the Phoenix lights, etc. And then this gentleman who was 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 6: a border patrol person and witness stuff while being in 87 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 6: the border patrol. So he's actually a whistleblower because he 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 6: was in a government position in border patrol security at 89 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 6: the time and they were seeing stuff from their aircraft 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 6: monitoring the bar and a number. I mean, he was 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 6: sharing the evidence and the accounts of other people. So 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 6: it turned into kind of this bigger the government's involved, 93 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 6: their knowledge of it and Arizona story. But it's kind 94 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 6: of climaxing, and I have a feeling Ross is going 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 6: to tie it all in together with all the segments 96 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 6: being predominantly about the underground base, which has got reverse 97 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 6: engineering going on it. 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, so. 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 6: It's a very exciting thing and I'm so glad News 100 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: Nation picked it up. I had no idea that we're 101 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 6: going to turn into a giant seven sacred thing. Oh 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 6: my god, you know, like we never you know, it 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 6: is beyond our wildest dreams, and we're just so glad 104 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 6: they ran with it. 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 5: We think. 106 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 6: So I started to say two reasons why we came 107 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 6: forward with it. One is to get witnesses and people 108 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 6: coming forward and everything from locals and tourists here who've 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 6: seen stuff out in the canyons, had run ins with 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 6: the guards, found an entrance. You know, we have lots 111 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 6: of those people, but we need more and people who've 112 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 6: worked there, like we were just saying, you know, to 113 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 6: come forward now that that was one reason, and then 114 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 6: the other equal reason is we thought the evidence for 115 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 6: this and what we have will really help disclosure. So 116 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 6: we do have Congress people extremely interested in what's going 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 6: on here, and I'm in contact with them, so I'll 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 6: leave it at that. But it's very, very, very exciting 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 6: that they do have that interest, and that was another 120 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 6: reason we've come forward with what we have to ignite 121 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 6: their interest because we know because this is you know 122 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 6: you talk about in disclosure, and you hear all the 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 6: recent whistleblowers, and so after you have whistle blowers and 124 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 6: crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs and psionics and calling 125 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 6: ships in and all this stuff, what is the next 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 6: part of that equation? You know, everyone says the money, well, 127 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 6: that would be the next after us. But the next 128 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 6: between the money and all that stuff going on is 129 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 6: where are they going it? 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 5: Where is it? 131 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 6: Where is it, Where are they doing it, Where are 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 6: they hiding stuff, where they keeping the information, where are 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 6: they keeping the crash retrievals, where are they doing the 134 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 6: reverse engineering? And so we have that piece of the puzzle. 135 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 6: And we talk about this base, not because it's all 136 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 6: about the Sedona base. It's just we're right, we live 137 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 6: right here, we're able to research, we're able to talk 138 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 6: to the witnesses. But it's a case example of many 139 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 6: bases like this where they're doing this work. So we 140 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 6: say this is a case example. 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about some of this evidence. Like, you 142 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: have some documents that are very interesting, right. 143 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah. To me, the two most I'd have to 144 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 6: really think about this, the two most significant ones. One 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 6: is okay, I guess maybe the most significant the two 146 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 6: is doctor Richard Soder, well known author famous for doing 147 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 6: underground based research, underground based, underwater based research, has written 148 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 6: you know a number of books of six seven total, 149 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 6: I think, and three of them are about that subject matter, 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 6: all many years ago, thirty years ago, twenty five years ago, 151 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: and I had a monthly lecture series in southern California, 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 6: and I even had Richard come speak for me twice. 153 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 6: I had been friends with him for a long time 154 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 6: because what came up in his research is my other 155 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 6: research into Millahuse the covert involvement and abduction stuff, and 156 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: that he was contacting me about all that because he 157 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 6: learned that that was going on in some of these installations. 158 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 6: So that's how we kind of became involved. And he 159 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 6: helped me and I cited him a lot in my 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 6: research in that regards. But in one of his books, 161 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 6: and I have had the book, I've had this first 162 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 6: three books forever, and I'd recommend it to Jeremiah. Look, 163 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 6: you got to know this guy's stuff. This is the research, 164 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 6: this is the background. And Jeremiah going through his book 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 6: his first book, found this informations. But back then when 166 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 6: I read it didn't mean anything to me. I wasn't 167 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 6: living here or anything, you know. And and he wrote 168 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 6: about that there was a and then he presented this 169 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 6: Department of Energy document, so DOE Department of Energy document, 170 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 6: and he said he got it through Free of Information Act. 171 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 6: He was getting all sorts of things. But he started 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 6: to learn as people do you know John Old before right? 173 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 6: What was it was nineteen seventy four and is the 174 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 6: date of the document apparently, and they were going to 175 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 6: build twelve more underground installations in the US, is what 176 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 6: this document talked about. And it said they were going 177 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 6: to build three in Arizona, and it said they did 178 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 6: all this ground survey and work to determine where, and 179 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 6: they named the three locations, or at least loosely. Okay, 180 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 6: they kind of gave a coordinate. They gave a little 181 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 6: loose information, but it was clear from the information provided 182 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 6: that it was this installation here is one to three. 183 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 6: And it said they were going to build an installation 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 6: out in the canyon here of over five thousand feet 185 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 6: in depth. And so we have a Department of Energy 186 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 6: document saying and then there's a map with a kind 187 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 6: of showing location that was part of the official document, 188 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 6: you know, and saying that we're going to build a 189 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 6: base off here. 190 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 5: So that's kind of a smoking gun. So we have that. 191 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 6: So we have that document thanks to Richard Zoder was 192 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: in his book. So that was just a matter of 193 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 6: rereading his book and Jeremiah finding it. I'd read it previously, 194 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 6: but it hadn't jumped out at me back then. That 195 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 6: didn't mean anything to me, And of course Jeremi noticed 196 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 6: it right away, and so well, we're going. 197 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: To take a break right here. Let's come back and 198 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: pick this up on the other side of the break 199 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: and find out some more of the evidence that you 200 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: guys have uncovered regarding this military based under said ownA. 201 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 202 00:10:40,600 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 203 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're speaking with Melinda Leslie 204 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: and we're getting some of the evidence that they've uncovered 205 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: that point to a secret underground base in Sedona. So 206 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 4: what else have you guys found on there? 207 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 5: This gets a little tricky. 208 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 6: I had we knew that one of the entrances is 209 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 6: that this and we know there's actually two entrances that 210 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 6: are in the cement processing plants quarrys, you know where 211 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 6: they dig up limestone gypsum and grind them down for cement. 212 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 6: But right below it is it looks like a refinery. 213 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 6: It's the cement processing plant that was long rumored and 214 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 6: Tom Dongo had information where he had interviewed guards out 215 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 6: there who had seen like big semi trucks come in 216 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 6: the middle of night. First off, it's highly secure for Corey, 217 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 6: and it operates twenty four hours and they have a 218 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 6: gate in the front. It's very secure, which seems like 219 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 6: a lot of security for Qurey. But regardless, Tom Donbo 220 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 6: interviewed guys working there who said big semis would come 221 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 6: in in the middle of the night, right and go 222 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 6: to this go in this security they had the clearance 223 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 6: to and go to this building in the back and 224 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 6: then like disappear. Now, I'm sure those guards knew if 225 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 6: there was an interest there or not, or an entrance 226 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 6: to a tunnel system, but probably had NDAs and securities 227 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 6: and you know whatever, but they couldn't say that. But 228 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 6: over the years Tom interviewed a couple of these guys 229 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 6: who had said somebodys would go in the back of 230 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 6: the property and disappear. 231 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: Just like a den Berport. We used to hear those 232 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: reports that when they were building that that these trucks 233 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: would just go and then they'd be gone, right. 234 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 6: And then there's also some accounts of like military convoys 235 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 6: of multiple military vehicles going in there. Then there's another facility. 236 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 6: Now we have more entrances than this, everybody, these are 237 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 6: just two in This leads to this other document story. 238 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 6: So there's another facility outside or kind of between the 239 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 6: little towns of Drake and Paulden. When I say little towns, 240 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 6: they consist of like a gas station, a general store 241 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 6: in a ranch or two. 242 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 5: And look that's it, you know. So but Drake and Paul. 243 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 6: Then and then there is another ce processing plant there. 244 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 6: Both of those are the lands are owned by the 245 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 6: Indian tribe and the managements by another company or not 246 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 6: the management, but you know, but the daily operations of 247 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 6: both facilities is managed by Martin Marietta Materials. Well, that 248 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 6: should ring some bells to people if they follow the subject. 249 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 6: Martin Mary Materials is how lockeed Martin Aerospace got its name. 250 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 6: Lockheed Aerospace Corporation bought Martin Mated Materials from Glenn Martin 251 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 6: so they could process their own aluminum for making planes, 252 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 6: their own medals and dig up the stuff and have 253 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 6: complete control over the manufacturing of their medals. 254 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: So an interesting coincidence because as we know, we often 255 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: hear lockeed Martin's one of the companies that may in 256 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: fact have whatever the government has that they need. 257 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, there's a lot of really good evidence that 258 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 6: they're involved deeply in the reverse engineering program. You have 259 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: everything from the whole story, the Wilson Davis notes and 260 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 6: Admiral Wilson going there to lockeed netlists and State did. 261 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 6: But it was very clear to anyone familiar with that 262 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 6: whole investigation. And now you have doctor Eric Davis, who 263 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 6: wrote those notes, testifying before Congress and actually admitting that, yes, 264 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: he wrote those notes and yes that that happened. So 265 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 6: it's all out on the open now. I remember when 266 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 6: that whole group of people had like circled their wagons 267 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 6: and we're talking about it with some of us, Grant 268 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 6: Cameron and Richard Dolan, myself and a few other people investigating, 269 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 6: and we were like, okay, these guys have gathered the wagons. 270 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 6: Whoever we talked to in the bigger group were not, 271 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 6: you know, We're very like obvious that they'd been talking 272 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 6: to each other and it kind of agreed on a storyline. 273 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 6: And so it's just wild now, you know, a couple 274 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 6: of years later, to have Eric Davis out there fully 275 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 6: admitting it. 276 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 5: But what he was. 277 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 6: Talking about was the position of J two at the 278 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 6: time with the government. Admiral Thomas rere I met Thomas 279 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: Wilson at the time J two was second in command 280 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 6: of the Joint chiefs of Staff at the Benegon and 281 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 6: he found out about the stuff going on at this 282 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 6: aerospace compan which was locked, and he went there and 283 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: checked it out and he was sent away. Anyways, that's 284 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 6: that whole story and why he was sent away, and 285 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 6: he was very upset. And then Eric had interviewed him 286 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 6: on behalf of this group of scientists that Eric was 287 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 6: involved in at the time. Long story short, So Lockheed 288 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 6: was getting a piece of had a piece of crash debris, 289 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 6: and that Robert Bigelow. Bigelow which was you know behind 290 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 6: the asset program if against very complicated, but yeah, Bigelow 291 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 6: Aerospace that they had gotten agreement from Lockey to purchase 292 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 6: or be given that piece of crash debris. And so 293 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 6: because Locked said we've done all the extensive work we 294 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 6: can on this, maybe you guys can do more, and 295 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 6: Bigelow was willing to spend all his money on it, 296 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 6: you know, so he's like, okay, So they were in 297 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 6: an os APP but it was a government contract to 298 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 6: do so. But through the SAP process, the approval of 299 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: the spenditure money it got blocked. Okay, So long story short. 300 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 6: So that was another thing that ties Locked in directly. 301 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 6: Those are hard pieces of evidence, both of those that 302 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 6: implicate Lockeed for sure, okay now and even testified before Congress, So. 303 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 5: There you go. That's on the record. 304 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 6: So going back to going back to then, so we 305 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 6: we had information about that. 306 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 5: So soon as I. 307 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 6: Learned that these facilities were being managed by Martin Maned Materials, 308 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 6: I'm like, dang, wait a second. So I did research 309 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 6: initially to find out how much of market Mada Matial 310 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 6: is not making any assumption that is locky, you know it, 311 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: because we know that Lockeed bought Martin Maned Materials to 312 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 6: become Locked Martin. Okay, so how much of it do 313 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 6: they still? How much of Martin mad and Materials is 314 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 6: still with Lockey? And it took me some digging, but 315 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 6: I ended up finding myself a nineteen ninety eight document 316 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 6: just looking online doing a bunch of keyword searches and stuff, 317 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 6: and that was The Washington Post did it in their 318 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 6: financial section. Washington Post news paper did a lot article 319 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 6: in their Financial seconds section about Martin Manned Materials and 320 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 6: they're selling off of stocks and in the very end 321 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 6: of the article, because I said how much just Locked 322 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 6: still own Boom and the end of the article it 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 6: said Locked Martin owned eighty one percent of Martin Maded Materials. 324 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 6: So I had a Washington Post fully vetted art you know, 325 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 6: article al for they're vetting and everything before they air 326 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 6: something like that, especially in their you know, or print 327 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 6: something like that in their financial section. And it was 328 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 6: this whole thing about the selling off of stock and stuff. 329 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 6: So in the end it said they still eighty one percent. 330 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 6: So of course I told Ross and News Nation about that. 331 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 6: I said, you guys, that's from ninety eight. I don't 332 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 6: know how much they own of it now, but this 333 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 6: Nation did digging, and Ross got back to me and 334 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: said they found they got a document from twenty twenty three. 335 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 6: So just you know this, this investigation was happening last year, 336 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 6: so at that point it was only a year old. 337 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 6: They said a document from twenty twenty three regarding the financials, 338 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 6: and in twenty twenty three, Lockheed Martin still owned eighty 339 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 6: percent of Martin mattered Materials. So the management of both 340 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 6: those facilities with those major tunnel entrances are you know, 341 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 6: we have documentation that that management company is owned eighty 342 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 6: percent by locked Martin. So that's pretty good. So that's 343 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 6: a deal. Yeah, yeah, And then and then we have 344 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 6: more evidence about both locations being the tunnels. 345 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 5: And this is how we know that. 346 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 6: Well, first off, as they said, people see semi trucks 347 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 6: go in the middle night and disappear in both facilities. 348 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: I've interviewed and so is Jeremiah, and so is Tom Dongo. 349 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 6: A number of people who live around the Drake paulm facility, 350 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 6: and there's I had a client who lives in the area, 351 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 6: who lives up on a hill out there. And now 352 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 6: Jeremiah met a woman who lives in the kind of 353 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 6: same area what this other client does, and they both 354 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 6: talk about seeing regularly seeing military harry convoys of multiple 355 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 6: military vehicles drive into that facility, which is a small 356 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 6: facility that that cement processing plant near Drake Palin's very small. 357 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 6: They drive in there into that quarry and disappear. And 358 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 6: they live up on a hill where they see these 359 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 6: convoys going there. So you know, so again, lots lots 360 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 6: of evidence. 361 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 5: Now, the. 362 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: Television show with the History Channel, everyone's probably famire with 363 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: the Skinwalker TV show, well, they created a spin off 364 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 6: TV show called Beyond Skinwalker. Skin Walker, of course, is 365 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 6: all about the ranch in Utah and all this stuff 366 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 6: going on there, paranormal things. Brandon Fugel and the team 367 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 6: at Skinwalker knew that there were these other ranches, so 368 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 6: they started to do investigations in other locations and they 369 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 6: created a spinoff TV show called Beyond Skinwalker to do 370 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 6: to do that. Beyond Skinwalker came out and did we 371 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 6: have our version of Skinwalker ranch here in Sedona called 372 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 6: Bradshaw Ranch. And they came out to investigate Brandshaw. 373 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: That's the one that interviewed, uh investigated for years and years. 374 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Tom Dongo for years. 375 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 6: Yeah. 376 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: Let's take a break right here, Melinda. We'll come back 377 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: and get it on the other side and. 378 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 5: We'll continue with another cliff banger. 379 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 380 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 381 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. I'm talking to Melinda Leslie. 382 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 4: We're talking about the possible underground secret base that the 383 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: military has in Sedona. 384 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 6: Beyond Skinwalker TV show where I just left off there, 385 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 6: said did this ground penetrating radar and came up with 386 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 6: a for thousands of feet. They did light our scanning 387 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 6: up the mirror, but it went very deep and they 388 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 6: found for the total length that they they scanned, which 389 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 6: was like a thousand feet or so whatever, you know, 390 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 6: a couple of thousand that they found a fifty foot 391 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 6: wide tunnel exactly fifty feet wide, going straight for the 392 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 6: total distance they scan In other words, the tunnel went 393 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 6: beyond that. On the show, they overlaid that on Google 394 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 6: Earth to show exactly where it was. I took a 395 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 6: screenshot of that image, saved it overlaid on a bigger 396 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 6: picture of Google Earth with the fifty foot wide line, 397 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 6: and it goes straight to the cement prop to the 398 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: building at the back of the processing plant, straight there, 399 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 6: straight there in the one end I Clarkdale, Okay. Then 400 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 6: the other end goes out where we know that there's 401 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 6: two platforms where stuff take off and launch front based 402 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 6: upon witnesses and insiders. That goes back into what's called 403 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 6: Sycamore Canyon and Secret Canyon, no joke, that's its real name, 404 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: Secret Bouncy Canyon. So it goes right back there, and 405 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 6: the line goes straight back there. So that and Bradshaw 406 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 6: is just happens to be kind of like over the 407 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 6: middle of it, but that line goes straight. 408 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 5: This direction is straight that direction for. 409 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 6: Many miles, and when if you overlay on google it, now, 410 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 6: that's kind of assumption that you're going to continue it straight. 411 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 6: It just happens to go to that building at the 412 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 6: back of the cement and just happens to go to 413 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 6: the back of both of those canyons where we know 414 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 6: there's these platforms. So it's like hello, okay. Then News 415 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 6: Nation did standing. But they found another section in that area, 416 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 6: a fifty foot wide tunnel, and they scanned in another 417 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 6: place and found a section that they think is seventy 418 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 6: five to eight feet white, and the big section seventy 419 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 6: five to eighty foot wide. My understanding is it has 420 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 6: these big metal girders running through it, because they had 421 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 6: additional equipment that looked for metal in the construction and 422 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: not just like rebar but like big light probably like 423 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 6: metal eyebeams or something. Giant metal girders running through it, 424 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 6: like very heavy construction. In the big section, Well, fifty 425 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 6: foot white tunnel, you guys, is big enough for two 426 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 6: semites to pass each other. I jokingly say, what's in 427 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 6: eighty foot white tunnel freeway, right, yeah, yeah, you know 428 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 6: we got but they found these two sections that are 429 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 6: all in roughly the Bradshaw area and and and that 430 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 6: they run in different angles from each other, so you know, 431 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 6: you know that, and we don't know if they're joining 432 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 6: up or whatever, but you know, for the parks that 433 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 6: were scanned. So we have ground kindetrating radars showing multiples 434 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 6: of these tunnels. And then we have those two locations, 435 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 6: and we do have the one tunnel system that it 436 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 6: would appear when you extend the line like I said, 437 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 6: it goes directly to one of those locations. And then 438 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 6: we have other places in our canyons where people have 439 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 6: seen military convoys of multiple military vehicles. I'd have to 440 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 6: ask Jeremiah between us, I know, I've got at least 441 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 6: five stories of people witnessing that he's got at least five, 442 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 6: you know. So we have a lot, including the Bradshaw 443 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 6: family originally own the ranch. He's interviewed all the remaining 444 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 6: living Bradshaw members pretty much. And I tell you, man, 445 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 6: this he's getting directly from them. And when they sit 446 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 6: down and they realize we're fairly notable about this, they 447 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 6: opened up with them, and they've told them amazing things 448 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: about apparently a neighbor's property near Bradshaw Ranch, one of 449 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 6: the other branches near it, has has had military convoys, 450 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 6: military vehicles going on to that property fairly regularly, you know, 451 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: years ago. And I mean because the branch. The last 452 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: member to be at the rancher, you know, still in 453 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 6: the Brandshaw family was Linda Bradshaw, and she was there, 454 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 6: gave it up ten or maybe maybe twelve years ago now, 455 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 6: you know, at least ten maybe twelve years ago, and 456 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 6: the government took it over. Now it's owned technically by 457 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 6: the Forest Service, and it's well known for a lot 458 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 6: of paranoral activity. Brandon Fugel, who owned Skinwalker Ranch, tried 459 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 6: to purchase it, but the government wouldn't buy it, sell 460 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 6: its right before Service wouldn't sulative well now with this 461 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 6: you know, ground peg draining radar, three big tunnels. 462 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 5: Going under the area. I yeah, they I can now 463 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 5: know why why they wouldn't sell it. 464 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, they wouldn't sell it to him, and he 465 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 6: was prepared to do a whole investigation there, just like Skinwalker, 466 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 6: because it's very famous. 467 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: That's another one of these victorious ranches with all kinds 468 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 4: of paranormal activity. 469 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 5: You've got it. You've got it, You've got it. Yeah. 470 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 6: And in additional evidence, you know, people have run into 471 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 6: with the guards out in the canyons, including again my 472 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 6: team members Jeremia and Alexander have had that happen more 473 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 6: than once. Other friends of mine have had it happen. 474 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 6: Clients of mine have had it happen. Some of them 475 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 6: have been stopped at gunpoint. 476 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 5: By these guards. 477 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 6: And you're on you're on known trails, you know, even 478 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 6: like I've been to Bradshaw Ranch a million times, not 479 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 6: undred times. I've never seen guards or anything there. But 480 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 6: friends of mine who've gone out there happen stopped by guards, 481 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 6: clients of mine who've gone out their half. 482 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 5: I just happened that. 483 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 6: It hasn't happened to me, you know, And Jeremiah's had 484 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 6: stuff happened yet it just you know, I'm I admit, 485 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 6: I'm not the high used to be, So I'm not 486 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 6: going on some of the very difficult Wendy Heights hikes 487 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 6: that Jeremiah and Alexander do. They're they're very physically fit, 488 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 6: and they do they do these you know, ten mile 489 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 6: hikes and stuff that not people were doing. I mean, yeah, 490 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 6: more evidence is the run is like I said, with 491 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 6: the guards. Confrontations with the guards, you don't get you 492 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 6: don't back talk him or say I get to be here, 493 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 6: this is public land, blah blah blah. I mean, they 494 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 6: get pretty firm and they there's a few cases where 495 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 6: they have rough people up, so if you start messing 496 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 6: with them. You know, one guy who's a waiter here 497 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 6: in Tacha is a bartender here in town. He apparently 498 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 6: works an earlier shift or something, and he gets off 499 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 6: work and he likes to hike in Long Canyon, well 500 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 6: known hiking spot here. He likes to go hiking back 501 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 6: in Long Canyon and that's like one of his favorite places. 502 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 6: And he hides back there and one day he goes 503 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 6: pretty late, like you know, it was late afternoon, and 504 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 6: he's hiking way back in there, and all of a 505 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 6: sudden has three red dots on his chest. Well those 506 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 6: are gunsight lasers, and he's he goes, okay, you know, 507 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 6: an outcome six. He has six six dot sized chests. 508 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 6: So six guys come out camouflage, combat boots, kevlar ves'm 509 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 6: sixteen's you know, point out helmets, you know, and they 510 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 6: stop and they said, what are you doing back here? 511 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 6: He goes, well, I hiked this all the time. This is, 512 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 6: you know, one of my favorite hips. And then what 513 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 6: are you doing here today? And he goes, I got 514 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 6: off work and I got work a little later, so 515 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 6: I came by. It was still daylight, and they said, 516 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: turn around, come back another day. That's often what they 517 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 6: tell people. But that's just one account. We have a 518 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 6: gentleman who on a on a trail bike, a dirt bike, 519 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 6: go out into Sycamore Canyon, go way off trailway back there. 520 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 6: When I say trailbick was more on that. He had 521 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 6: like a BMX you know, motocross bike, okay, and he 522 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 6: would go back there and jump and practice apparently did 523 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. And he was back there doing 524 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 6: that and suddenly this door opens up in the ground. 525 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 6: Well I reallyze, you see me on video, but the 526 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 6: audis does it. It's like a garage door. Thing opens 527 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 6: up and out comes three military humbies and they come 528 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 6: and they circle him and and guys get out dressed 529 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 6: on the camouflage. 530 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 5: They stop and. 531 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 6: He goes, whoa, and he goes to take off these 532 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: guys run up to him. They throw him on the ground, 533 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 6: His bike lands on top of him. They push him 534 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 6: down off us by just kind of sho off, you know, 535 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 6: before he can get away because he goes to like 536 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 6: turn real fast. But they and they go when we said, 537 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 6: because they yelled and stopped, stop haul you know. And 538 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 6: they said, so when they threw him to ground, they said, 539 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 6: when we said stop. 540 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 5: We stop, we didn't mean to leave. It means you know. 541 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 6: And and they said, what are you doing back here? 542 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 6: He says, I come back here to practice and jump 543 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 6: and blah blah blah. 544 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: And he's wa back off. 545 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 6: The main trail. I means many you know, hours back 546 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 6: And and they go on that, go up that and 547 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 6: apparently when they put him on the ground, one guy 548 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 6: kneeled down on his chest. It's Manders standing kneeled down 549 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 6: on Well. This guy ended up getting some fracked ribs 550 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 6: because the guy kneeled on him MILLI heart. Now, I 551 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 6: don't think they were in ten to hurt him. That 552 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 6: the did kneel on him and it did crack some rips. 553 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 6: So this guy, they said, get back on your bike, 554 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 6: go back the way you came, and never come back here. 555 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 5: Again. 556 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: Period. That'd be good enough for me if I saw 557 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: a three truck out of the ground. 558 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 559 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 4: So Melinda, let's take a quick break. We're going to 560 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: come back and we're going to talk to Melinda more 561 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 4: about this interesting case and find out a little bit 562 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: more about some of the UFO and UAP sightings in 563 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: the area and some of the interesting things with helicopters 564 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 4: that you've seen on her tour. You're listening to be 565 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 4: on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 566 00:29:37,880 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. It's 567 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 4: Captain Ron talking to Melinda Leslie about this incredible secret base. Well, 568 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 4: let it tell us a little bit about the UFO 569 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: activity you've seen. Yes, but you've been doing for fifteen 570 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 4: years almost right, Yeah. 571 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, fourteen and a half years. That's right, fourteen a 572 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 6: half years. In fact, last night, I had a tour 573 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 6: last night, no joke, Ron, I'm exactly a tour one thousand, 574 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 6: nine hundred and ninety So September twenty seventh of twenty 575 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 6: twenty three, I had my regular tour. We're having this 576 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 6: I do all my regular talk in the beginning at 577 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 6: that time. That would take you half an hour for 578 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 6: a fundance, and I explain all about what you're going 579 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 6: to see, not going to see, how to know if 580 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 6: it's satellites, how to know if it's planes. You guys, 581 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 6: I cover all that in space, you know. And how 582 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 6: do you know what kind of aircraft you're seeing. There's 583 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 6: different stroke patterns for private aircraft, commercial aircraft, and military aircraft. 584 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 6: And so by the So what it happened is I 585 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 6: had two fam I had ten people with me. That's 586 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 6: why I limit my tours two nine ten people. It 587 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 6: was two families and a couple. One of both families 588 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 6: actually said, we've seen you. We've seen you in documentaries, 589 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 6: we've seen you on you know, heard you on radio 590 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 6: and this and that. But we follow your stuff, so 591 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 6: we have questions for you about your own personal experiences. 592 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 6: I said, wait till the second hour. See back then. 593 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 6: We have the most sightings in the first hour. And 594 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 6: the reason is it was all about an angle of 595 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: sunlight that even though it's dark where we are in 596 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 6: the first two hours after sunset, everything in the upper 597 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 6: atmosphere is still in sunlight. So we have the benefit 598 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 6: of this giant spotlight called the sun lighting stuff up 599 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 6: for us. So I would say, we again, the most 600 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 6: sightings in the first hour. Here's you're seeing metal reflect sunlight. 601 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 6: And by the way, that is the reason you see 602 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 6: satellite satellites have no lighting on them. The only reason 603 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 6: you ever see satellites is because they're reflecting sunlight. They 604 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 6: have no wining. It'd be complete, they have very limited 605 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 6: battery strength. It'd be complete, utter waste of limited battery. 606 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 6: There'll be no reason to ever do it. So again, 607 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 6: you only see them reflect sunlight. They're metal reflecting sunlight. 608 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 5: Well, so are craft? Okay, you know. 609 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 6: And and so we would have most signs in the 610 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 6: first hour and the second art would taper off with 611 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 6: less sightings over time. So I told the two families 612 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 6: who wanted to ask me about my own experiences that 613 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 6: night again this is September twenty seven, twenty three. They said, okay, 614 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 6: I said, wait and save your stuff because the second 615 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 6: hour will take road. So I will, you know, tell 616 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 6: you stories and stuff in the second hour. And so 617 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 6: we started to have signs, and I covered all about planes, helicopters, 618 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 6: satellite strones. I cover all that stuff. And they knew 619 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 6: all about whether it was private, commercial, or military. Will 620 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 6: military aircraft have a unique triple blinking feature on their strobes. 621 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 6: They're all required by the FAA Federal administration to have 622 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 6: strobes on them, and they go D D D D 623 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 6: D D D D d D. Did you know, like 624 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 6: triple blink? 625 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 4: Okay? 626 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 6: And then commercial aircraft has a single blink or private 627 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 6: private commercial single blink, some commercial have a double and 628 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 6: some small military, but most military, and then so et cetera. 629 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 6: So that night I had gone through all that, and 630 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: so by the time it's well into the second hour, 631 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 6: not only we had a ton of sightings, but my 632 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 6: clients were well versed in seeing military aircraft. So I'm 633 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 6: starting to tell stories, and that night we would have 634 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 6: normally ended about mine on the tour back in that September. Now, 635 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 6: now this peak activity, what I call this later activity 636 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 6: we're seeing is peaking at different times. So whatever the 637 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 6: schedule is for whatever's going on at the base, it 638 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 6: has some kind of schedule, but lately it's been speaking 639 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 6: a fortune. I manged own my clients out till like 640 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: eleven thirty because right now it's peaking at like eleven 641 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 6: you know, whatever works. When I had Ross Colthart and 642 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 6: the crew out it was peaking between one and two 643 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 6: in the morning. We filmed between one and two. We 644 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 6: saw most of the sightings that night between one thirty 645 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 6: and two in the morning. Wow. Yeah, that's when they 646 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 6: were filming. Which, by the ways, we're saying, you guys, 647 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 6: you can't see satellites then there's no angle of sunlight. 648 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 6: So when you see those shows and you see that 649 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 6: footage they filmed out there, and you think some of 650 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 6: those things moving our satellites, that's filmed between one and 651 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 6: two in the morning, there is zero angle. As any 652 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 6: satellite expert, there's no angle sunlight to light up satellites. 653 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 6: They don't have any lightings, so I reach you never 654 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 6: see them. There's zero angle sunlight, which means all those 655 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 6: things are self luminous. That rules out satellites. Plus that 656 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 6: they're moving in ways satellites don't move. They're turning and 657 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 6: doing things. I mean, Russ says that on the show 658 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 6: very clearly. So that night I'm starting to tell the stories. 659 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 6: It gets well past nine, you know, just storytelling, it 660 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 6: gets you know, and it's at like nine year on. 661 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is brand new information to me. 662 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They take a while. 663 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 6: Hey, you think, I take a while and time way 664 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 6: to your Jeremiah man A. Right. So one gentleman is 665 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 6: looking at the goggles at like nine thirty and he goes, we, Linda, 666 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 6: there's a ton of military over these hills that just 667 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 6: keeps coming in and like large numbers. 668 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 5: Is that normal? Now? 669 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 6: Back then, we weren't sure if it was jets or helicopters. 670 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 6: Now from you know, a year and a half later, 671 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 6: we know unequivocally it's mill helicopters. And I've had a 672 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 6: lot of experts going out with me, so just you know, 673 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 6: a lot a lot of experts, military pilots, military helicopter pilots, 674 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 6: experts and all that stuff. So we am so we 675 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 6: started seeing all these helicopters and I'm looking with the 676 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 6: goggles then too, and or now my clients are had 677 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 6: ten people with me that night, start based looking and 678 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 6: they goes this normal. I go, oh, heck, no, you know, 679 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 6: like no, you can fill in a different word and 680 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 6: you get the idea. 681 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 682 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, after watching all these 683 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 6: helicopters come in, we started to see objects appearing up 684 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 6: in the sky above the area. Again like we're having 685 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 6: sightings again. It had like calmed down like we maybe 686 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 6: had two in an hour. I mean, it really stopped. 687 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 6: And my clients are like, oh, is this normal, like 688 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 6: to wait an hour and have a whole nother wave 689 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 6: of signs. And I went, oh, heck no, you know, like, no, 690 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 6: I've never ever seen this in thirteen years, and you know, 691 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 6: of all my tours, I've never seen this, and I'm 692 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 6: going no, And so we started and then and then 693 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 6: after or while it was going behind the hills and 694 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 6: coming up from behind the hills, and then one of 695 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 6: my other clients said, is this normal? Have you ever 696 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 6: seen it come and go from behind those mountains before? 697 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 6: And I went, oh, heck no, I never seen it. 698 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 6: And it's like and I go, no, I've never ever 699 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 6: seen this. It's never paused for an hour and started 700 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 6: up again. There's never I've never seen, you know, Normally, 701 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 6: in all the thirteen previous years to doing that of 702 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 6: my tour, we'd maybe one in ten tours see one 703 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 6: military helicopter, and it was that rare one maybe two, 704 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 6: you know at the most, and that'd be like one 705 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 6: in ten tours. It was a very rare event. Probably 706 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 6: even less than that. We never saw military helicopters and 707 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 6: to see them swarming, it was like what, okay, so 708 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 6: the northest night numbers. 709 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 4: You're like twenty or thirty, right, it's a big yeah. Yeah. 710 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 5: Well okay. 711 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 6: Now I know on a tour, when we start to 712 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 6: see a lot of military in there, I'll stop and 713 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 6: do account. Remember it used to be zero, okay, and 714 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 6: now I'm also counting if there's military that's snaring. Now, 715 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 6: over the years, we would have jets go over because 716 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 6: ever since nine to eleven, Patriot ethnic patrol all cities, 717 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 6: you know, so that's not unusual to see military patrol. 718 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 6: But they're very high up. They're like fifty thousand feet. 719 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 6: They all have triple blink. It's very obvious what you're seeing. 720 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 6: But you know, we hey, I've seen you know, I've 721 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 6: gotten so used to seeing planes and satellites. I mean, 722 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 6: I've had to become an expert on aviation stuff at night, 723 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 6: just so I know what I'm seeing, what we're not seeing. 724 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 6: I can answer people's questions, you know, But I don't 725 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 6: claim to be an expert on these things. But I've 726 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 6: taken out people. I mean, if I've done one nine 727 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 6: hundred and ninety tours. That's I'd have to do the math, 728 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 6: averaging five to seven people every night, averaging you know, 729 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 6: do the math. You know, I've taken out tens of 730 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 6: thousands of people. I've taken out a lot of experts, 731 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 6: you know, in all various and they come and they 732 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 6: tell me and they educate me and the other people 733 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 6: and so absorbed and I learned, you know, from all 734 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 6: these people. So by default I've had to become an 735 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 6: expert from hearing everb Okay, So going back to and 736 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 6: so the next on the twenty eighth of September twenty 737 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 6: twenty three, I told my clients, I said, we saw something, 738 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 6: we saw something really weird last night, and you guys 739 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 6: need to help me see if this is gonna happen again. 740 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 5: Made its a one time deal. 741 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 6: Not only did it happen again, it was more and 742 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 6: then stame up the next night after that, and the 743 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 6: next night and the next night. And now I've seen 744 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 6: a pattern over the last year and a half that 745 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 6: about every two or three months at like doubles, like 746 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 6: its teeps going up in the wow. 747 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 4: One of this is incredible stuff. We're out of time, 748 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 4: but it's really interesting. You're making me want to go 749 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 4: on one of these tours. Hopefully we can get some 750 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 4: more updates as time goes on and we'll get more 751 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 4: and more witnesses and more and more information. I really 752 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 4: appreciate it, Melinda, Thanks for taking the. 753 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 5: Time and having me. Thank you for having me. 754 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 4: Of course, you guys can find Melinda at Center for 755 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 4: Neewage Store dot com. You can find me at Twitter 756 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 4: and Instagram, at CID Underscore captain Ron. Stay connected by 757 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 4: checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay open minded, in 758 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 4: rational as we explore the unknown right here on the 759 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 760 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 761 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: Ay and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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