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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome in Lake is live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, May twenty aeth the Year of

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Speaker 2: Our Lord, twenty twenty one, that much closer to college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here I am. You know what, let's just throw

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Speaker 1: it over for old time. Safe. Welcome in Lakeick is live.

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Speaker 2: It is the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: The date is Thursday night. It is May twentieth, jam

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Speaker 2: pack show. You won't see that again unless you watch

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Speaker 2: the live version. I'm Josh paid happy to have you

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Speaker 2: with us. You'll see that pretty much as long as

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Speaker 2: you watch the show. We got a jam packed show tonight.

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Speaker 2: Why would we have anything else. We're gonna do something

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Speaker 2: that we normally have to wait a little bit later

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Speaker 2: into the summer to do. But with the way that

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Speaker 2: the sports betting world is changing, we get some lines

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Speaker 2: out a little bit earlier than you normally do. So

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Speaker 2: those of you who watched the Sunday Night Show, you

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Speaker 2: saw that we gave you the old fashioned.

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Speaker 1: Peate state line projections on games. Now.

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Speaker 2: I thought, even though it looked like we designed it otherwise,

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Speaker 2: I thought we were gonna have to wait a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of weeks Colin, maybe a month before.

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Speaker 2: We got to compare us versus hashtag the man out

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Speaker 2: in hashtag the Desert.

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Speaker 1: We didn't.

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Speaker 2: They did it like seventy two hours later, which begs

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Speaker 2: the question did we adjust the market ellipses to be determined?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 2: We get to compare our numbers to Vegas tonight, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to show you some thus far not seen

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Speaker 1: And these aren't just going to be projections. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you our.

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Speaker 2: Actual in house model number versus the odds makers numbers

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Speaker 2: that have been released on some big games.

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Speaker 1: What we got A and M versus Bama. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you something off the radar, maybe like Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 2: There's some value out there. So I'm going to show

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Speaker 2: you what we think in a second transfer portal. There

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Speaker 2: were updates today. There were previously fifty kids that we

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Speaker 2: had ranked. Well, a full top one hundred got released today.

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Speaker 2: I got to be honest with you, back about three

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Speaker 2: going to be able to rank. Turns out you can

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Speaker 2: rank them to infinity and beyond because we got that

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Speaker 2: of takeaways from that. Normally I would not go down

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Speaker 2: the route with Kirby and Dan Mullen that we're going

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Speaker 2: to go down tonight. But Bud Elliott all kind of

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Speaker 2: misbehavior on the Cover three podcast has really necessitated that

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Speaker 2: So we got to go down the road of Kirby

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Speaker 2: and Dan Mullen tonight. I put out a Twitter poll

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Speaker 2: about an hour hour and a half ago. Just pretend

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Speaker 2: you have a university, you got a program. It's paid

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Speaker 2: state for me, could be filling the blank for you.

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Speaker 2: You can hire one of them who hoops hoops? Would

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Speaker 2: you hire Dan Mullen? Kirby Smart more on that in

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Speaker 2: a second, and some head coaches would the most to prove.

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Speaker 2: coaches with a lot to prove. Hey, man, we're doing

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Speaker 2: really good numbers right now. The YouTube show lay Kick Live,

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Speaker 2: our podcast numbers are doing really well, and you're marketing

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Speaker 2: for us, and that's the only thing that I really

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Speaker 2: ask As you know, we have not asked you to

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Speaker 2: contribute a dime to the cause here. All we ask

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Speaker 2: five star reviews. But I'll tell you what I've really

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Speaker 2: seen get us a lot of traction lately. And you

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Speaker 2: bought into that, and you've also taken it upon yourself

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Speaker 2: to market for us. Before I dive into the show,

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Speaker 2: or listening to the show, tag us in there, tag

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Speaker 2: me in there at late kick Josh. Anytime you put

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Speaker 1: Me in it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sharing that stuff. Ten days out of the week,

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Speaker 2: I'm sharing that stuff. So thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of you love that we did an hour

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Speaker 2: around here this fall. So let's dive in tonight because

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Speaker 2: we have got not quite an hour long show, but

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to get to. On Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: I showed you a lot of our projections for point spreads,

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Speaker 2: A lot of you just got all bent out of

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Speaker 2: shape about the Georgia and Clemson line. Well, Jesse, as

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Speaker 2: your Holtster ready to fire at any second, what was eventually.

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Speaker 2: I do, Because this is no longer theoretical. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a projection. The one that caught me by surprise, conveniently,

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Speaker 1: They host Penn State to start the year. Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: weaponizing those numbers. As it gets closer to the season,

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Speaker 2: Rama Nudle Express two. Here's what I wanted to do though,

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to do now.

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Speaker 2: There are several games that were released, not just Week one,

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Speaker 1: The first one is Texas at Arkansas in Week two.

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Speaker 2: Big opener for Texas in Week one against Louisiana, but

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Speaker 2: play along with me right now. Texas at Arkansas, what

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Speaker 2: We've got Texas minus two and a half. Full disclosure,

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Speaker 2: I have moved personal finances on this game already, so

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Speaker 2: I like Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: There. Again, it is May, and I want to stress

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Speaker 2: So there are very small limits on these, not that

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Speaker 2: How about Week two, same week, the biggest game, the

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Speaker 2: game on the marquis, the one that we have picked

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Speaker 2: because a lot of you have told me you liked

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Speaker 2: Ohio State minus as much as fourteen or as many

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't there. And we told you it wasn't

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Speaker 2: I didn't give you a number the other night, but

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Speaker 2: The line that actually got put out on this thing,

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Speaker 2: Well, the professionals that have to take action on these

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Speaker 1: Let's move on. That's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna clap now when we transfer to new points here.

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Speaker 1: We have now got a top one hundred.

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Speaker 2: previously ranked number one. You had guys like DeMarcus Bowman,

441
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Speaker 2: who I think, yeah, we have listed fourth now they fell.

442
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,160
Speaker 2: We don't even know if Gilbert's going to play college

443
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,880
Speaker 2: football this fall. Bowman, you could argue, is running second

444
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,000
Speaker 2: or third on the running back depth chart at Florida.

445
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 2: And so you just you find the best way you

446
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 2: can rank those kids when they go in the portal,

447
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 2: and really what you have to work off of is

448
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,200
Speaker 2: your previous recruiting ranking. But then when you get intel,

449
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 2: which is how it becomes so valuable to have this

450
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Speaker 2: network of contacts that we do at twenty four to seven.

451
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,280
Speaker 2: Once your ears on the ground and you keep hearing

452
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 2: a different hoof beat than the one you've already put

453
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Speaker 2: in these rankings, you adjust them.

454
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Speaker 1: That's what you do with high school kids. This is

455
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,679
Speaker 1: how you do it with college kids. You just do

456
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Speaker 1: it a different way with college kids.

457
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Speaker 2: So Henry t is number one, those two fell, and

458
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,440
Speaker 2: you see Eric Gray right behind Henry Tootoo at number two.

459
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Speaker 1: I'm not on the panel.

460
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: If I were, I wouldn't argue against Henry Tootoo.

461
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Speaker 1: I would simply argue for Eric Gray.

462
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has benefited more from a transfer

463
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 2: portal move this offseason than Eric Gray going from Tennessee

464
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Speaker 2: to Oklahoma. But I don't know, to be honest with you,

465
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Speaker 2: I know we dropped Eric Gilbert to number three. But

466
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Speaker 2: the question about Gilbert's not football right now. I mean

467
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 2: the question is, well, it is football. Will he play

468
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 2: football this fall? So I don't envy the position that

469
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Speaker 2: the council that ranks these kids was in right now

470
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Speaker 2: and is in because I don't know how you rank

471
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Speaker 2: a guy when the questions are not you know, what

472
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Speaker 2: kind of longevity does he have physically?

473
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Speaker 1: What kind of hands does he have? Can he run?

474
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Speaker 1: It's will he play?

475
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 2: Is his off field going to be in order to

476
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 2: the degree that needs to be to play?

477
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Speaker 1: And then you got to figure out where he's going to.

478
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 2: Be because he is the only one other than the

479
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Speaker 2: number ten player there.

480
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Speaker 1: I can see. It's very small. That's why I'm squinting

481
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: so much.

482
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: With a twenty four to seven logo next to the name,

483
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: which means they haven't committed anywhere, or in Eric Gilbert's case,

484
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 2: he did and then he backed out of that. So

485
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Speaker 2: I wanted to move past that though, because I wanted

486
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Speaker 2: to go to Florida State for a second. Florida State

487
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: is just killing it right now. I told you we

488
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Speaker 2: have one hundred kids ranked. Florida State's got six of them.

489
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Speaker 2: And what Mike Norvell is doing at Florida State is

490
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Speaker 2: something that a lot of coaches are going to try

491
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Speaker 2: and perfect.

492
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Speaker 1: The yard of when you come in the door.

493
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Speaker 2: It used to be in the old school, you had

494
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: to say, gimme three years so I can overturn the roster. Well,

495
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Speaker 2: Mark Mike Norvell is showing you you can probably say,

496
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Speaker 2: give me twelve to eighteen months. I'm going to recruit kids,

497
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Speaker 2: but then we're also going to really leverage the portal.

498
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Speaker 1: Hard got to do what we got to do.

499
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Speaker 2: It's not going to be our plan five years from now,

500
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Speaker 2: but right now, it's got to be the way we

501
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Speaker 2: do it.

502
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Speaker 1: Florida State has gotten several impact guys. Now.

503
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Speaker 2: They didn't just go stock up on a bunch of

504
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: slot corners just for the heck of it. Like they

505
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 2: went and got guys like obviously Mackenzie Milton, who could

506
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: very well end up being a starting quarterback. But Jermaine

507
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: Johnson from Georgia is now on this roster. They obviously

508
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: hope he does for them what let's say Brenton Cox

509
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: has done for Florida. They got Andrew Parschman at wide receiver.

510
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: DJ Williams at running back is a kid that a

511
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, people around his old program would

512
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Speaker 2: get in your in whisper.

513
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: Hey, Dj Williams. I know we got these other guys,

514
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: but we like him as much as anyone. Well, he

515
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: didn't lose his talent, he didn't lose his ability. He

516
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: just changed scenery and now if you're in the right situation,

517
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: you finally get featured the right way. All of that

518
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: still could validate itself on the football field. They have

519
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 1: done a wonderful job here. Now you got to see

520
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: it payoff. I have told you once, I've told you

521
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: a thousand times. These Florida schools, Miami, Florida, Florida State.

522
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: They're in some of the most prime positions in the

523
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Speaker 1: transfer portal era and the name, image and likeness era.

524
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Speaker 1: If they handle themselves the right way, as any programs

525
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: will be in America. I want to also, and I

526
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: could go USC here, but I think I've talked about

527
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: USC already with this.

528
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: UCLA is another program I just want you to keep

529
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 2: an eye on. So I know right now, if you

530
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: hear anyone talking about UCLA, it's probably within the context of, Hey,

531
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: did you see UCLA's less than a field goal underdog

532
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: against LSU in a week one? Okay, that's valid, that's accurate.

533
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: Pay attention to what Chip Kelly's doing in the transfer

534
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: portal too, because Kelly on a West Coast is kind

535
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Speaker 2: of similar to what those Florida schools are on an

536
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: East Coast Gulf coast sort of deal of being in

537
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Speaker 2: a talent rich area Southern California, USC.

538
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 1: Same thing applies here.

539
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 2: I could just as easily be talking about USC a

540
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 2: lot of kids leaving the area Inevitably, any given cycle,

541
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Speaker 2: a certain amount of kids are going to want to

542
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: come home. You could be the landing spot if you

543
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: didn't land them the first try, land them the second try.

544
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: They got a quarterback right now, and Ethan Garber's that

545
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: came home Zach Charbonnay has come home at the running

546
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: back pass. I think those guys both are immediately eligible

547
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Speaker 2: this year.

548
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Speaker 1: I know Garber's.

549
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: They were kind of surprised that the PAC twelve passed

550
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: the ruling. I don't know why they were surprised, but

551
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: they were. So he's going to be immediately eligible. Just

552
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: watched this year because last year wrecked a lot of

553
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: things for a lot of teams. I mean, UCLA, for example,

554
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: couldn't even get in their facility until it was time

555
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: to play games. Essentially, I don't know that Chip Kelly

556
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: and his team would have done anything of note last year.

557
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: I know they didn't have a shot to kind of

558
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: like James Franklin, at Penn State. I can't tell you

559
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: what they would have done.

560
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: In a normal year.

561
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you anything they would have been capable of.

562
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: Because of the way COVID disproportionately impacted them, it got

563
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: wadded up and thrown out the window. So this is

564
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: an evolving process. But I want to also caution you.

565
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Speaker 2: We got one hundred kids rated, and you may think

566
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: to yourself, well, certainly, if they rated one hundred kids

567
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: in the transfer portal, I mean, good grief, every one

568
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: of them that's ever going to have an impact, and

569
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Speaker 2: then some's going to be raided, and the vast majority

570
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: of the guys probably won't have an impact. Well, they're

571
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Speaker 2: going to be certainly guys that have just proportion and impact.

572
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: But I also would just caution you don't think just

573
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Speaker 2: because a kid's not rated in the top one hundred

574
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Speaker 2: that he couldn't be an impact player this fall.

575
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Speaker 1: I thought.

576
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Speaker 2: Thomas Goldcamp, a writer for a Florida site, made a

577
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: very good point today. He said, du Kwan Newkirk so

578
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: to transfer from Auburn not rated right now, I don't

579
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Speaker 2: believe in the top one hundred.

580
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Speaker 1: Don't quote me on that I could get in trouble.

581
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's in the top one hundred, and

582
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: Thomas said, you know, I'm covering this program every day,

583
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: and I got my ear to the ground down here

584
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: in Gainesville, Florida. Staff loves Newkirk. They think he's a

585
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: very good fit. That's the word. That's the f word.

586
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: And it's totally okay to say around here.

587
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: Fit. It's gonna be all about fit. You're gonna have

588
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Speaker 1: a guy maybe you don't.

589
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: View as a top one hundred player, doesn't really matter

590
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: all due respect. If that staff finds him, they find

591
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: the puzzle piece that was like under the couch somewhere

592
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: and they put it in and oh it fits.

593
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: If it fits, it fits.

594
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: And if a guy like da Kwan Newkirk fits at

595
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Speaker 2: Florida for Todd Grantham and his defense doesn't matter if

596
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: he was right at thirteen or one thirteen. I mean,

597
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is you can find a

598
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: lot of hidden gems in that transfer portal every year.

599
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Speaker 1: This is just kind of the beginning.

600
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Speaker 2: Alrighty, let me compose myself and let's roll on here.

601
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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart and Dan.

602
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: Mullen, what do you think all encompassing not even going

603
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: to really give context yet, I just want to float

604
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: that out there, let it simmer for a second. Now

605
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: I want to ask you an even more specific question,

606
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: would Florida fans trade Dan.

607
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Mullen for Kirby Smart.

608
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: You may think to yourself, this doesn't seem like a

609
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: late kick segment, and it's really not a usual late

610
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 2: kick segment.

611
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: But Bud Elliott has caused.

612
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: A lot of trouble in the college football sphere this week.

613
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: He's over on the cover three podcasts the other day,

614
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: and I just think that he had gotten some sun

615
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: down there in Florida, and he's feeling a little good

616
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: about himself, probably a little too good. And he walked

617
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: in and he just he chose violence as what he did,

618
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: herbal violence. And he goes on that podcast and he says,

619
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: almost a matter of factly, yeah, you guys know, sky

620
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: is blue, water is wet, it's hot in July, and

621
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: Florida fans would absolutely trade Dan Mullin for Kirby Smart.

622
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Like everyone knows this, right, Can we just move on? Well?

623
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: Swamp twenty four to seven, the board there had about

624
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: a seven or eight page deep thread of some disagreement.

625
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Twitter blew up about it now.

626
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: Some of them you just may have an extra grind

627
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: with old Butterick himself.

628
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Speaker 1: I can never imagine living that life.

629
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Speaker 2: But some other people had valid pushback on this, So

630
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: it turns out this was not a consensus amongst Florida fans.

631
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: There were some who felt that way.

632
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: But I want to ask everyone because I want to

633
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: expand it and zoom it out a little bit.

634
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: I want to.

635
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: Know, if you're not associated with either program, how would

636
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: you feel about this?

637
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: I put it out actually on Twitter about an hour ago.

638
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: Now, this is not scientific, and I'm not suggesting it is.

639
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: It's the closest I can come to it.

640
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: So I said, hire one of these guys to run

641
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: your program today, Kirby Dan. We are about twenty five

642
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: hundred votes deep in this right now, Kirby Smart ahead

643
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: about sixty percent to forty percent. I have no clue

644
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: who's voting on this. I just know my followers are

645
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: voting on it. I don't know who's awaken Gainesville versus

646
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Athens right now. But I think the best way to

647
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: gauge this is not so much to ask Florida fan.

648
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: Or Georgia fan, Hey, would you trade or would you

649
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: not trade.

650
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: The best way to really do it, which is impossible,

651
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: is to make sure that you exclude both Georgia and

652
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: Florida fans, and let's find what the national perception on

653
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: those guys is, because nationally, I think it would become

654
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: pretty obvious pretty quick there is a more universally desirable

655
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: candidate amongst these two, and I think it to be

656
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart. I would fall on the Kirby Smart side here.

657
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you exactly why. I got

658
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: about two or three truths that I could come up

659
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: with off the top of my head. Truth number one,

660
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: if we tie all the fan bases back in is

661
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: there are some Florida fans. I don't know what the

662
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: percentage is, but there are some Florida fans who would

663
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: trade Dan Mullin for Kirby Smart. Area Georgia fan walk

664
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: in the planet who would trade Smart from Mullen. Those

665
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: two truths I'm pretty sure about. Truth number three is

666
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: I think if we.

667
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Took a purely national what we would call an agnostic poll,

668
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: which means we don't have believers of either program in here,

669
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: and we just take it of Wisconsin fan or Oklahoma fan,

670
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I tell you Paul christ is gone today, Lincoln Riley's

671
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: gone today. You can have one of them to lead

672
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the Badgers or the Sooners.

673
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: Who you take him, I think we'd probably have about

674
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: a seventy five twenty five Kirby smart Dan Mullen clip.

675
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: And it's very simple. The philosophy there would be. Recruiting

676
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: is the name of the game.

677
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: The biggest knock against Dan Mullen in the South has

678
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: been and continues to be God didn't take recruiting seriously enough.

679
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: That's the knock.

680
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: And you can disagree with it and say, what are

681
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: you talking about. He's finishing filling the blank any given year.

682
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: That's true. I'm not telling you he's a bad recruiter.

683
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you Florida's a bad recruiting program. It's

684
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: all contextualized into who's he trying to beat. They got

685
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Bama on the schedule this year, They got LSU every year,

686
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: they got Georgia every year. They are not going to

687
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: have a better roster than these kinds of programs. Ever,

688
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: just fill in the blank year. Ever, at the current

689
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: level they recruit at, you just got to do it

690
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: at a higher level. They're very good, but They're very

691
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: good in a category where the fan base is gonna

692
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: want you to be elite in and the fan base

693
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: has every right to because they walk outside every morning

694
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: in December and it's seventy two degrees and they stare

695
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: at palm trees and they say, wait a second, shouldn't

696
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: anybody be able to recruit down here?

697
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh? Look, look, a four star.

698
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: Wide receiver just rode by on a bicycle. I didn't

699
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: even plan that. That's what it's like living in Florida.

700
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: And if you can't land top three classes, they're looking

701
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: around and saying, what's stopping us? And so if you

702
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: ask any generic fan that say, gimme the recruiter, you

703
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: can question is game day acumen is XS and o's

704
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: gimme the recruiter, Because if I get the recruiter in there,

705
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: eventually we're gonna have the talent, and we're gonna have

706
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: the massive facilities and the budget, and we're gonna be

707
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: able to hire a monster staff. And he's eventually going

708
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: to get coordinator right, and he's gonna step out of

709
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: the way, you know, when it's time to game plan,

710
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: he's going to go down to the snack machine because

711
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: he's gotten the talent, or to put a finer point

712
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: on it, since we're talking food metaphors, he put the

713
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: ingredients in the kitchen, hire the right chefs, let him

714
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: go to work, let him go work the speaking circuit

715
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: during the week.

716
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Fan bases want the horses in the stable. If you

717
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: got the coach that can get the horses, then you

718
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: go get the coordinators who know how to saddle them

719
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: up and know how to let them run the right way.

720
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: If you can't do that, then by the very default

721
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: of even having your best team, which Dan Mullen had

722
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: last year, you still run the risk of losing three

723
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: or four games in a shortened season because you just

724
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: don't have good enough players across the board. That was

725
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: what the fear would always be. But I do want

726
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: to go back to this thing, this disagreement that happens

727
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: a lot of times.

728
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: You know I'm serious, because I put the pen down.

729
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: Some people out there would lead you to believe Kirby

730
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Smart's is not a good game day coach. Kirby Smart's

731
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: and not a good Ex's and O's guys not really

732
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: all that much of a tactician.

733
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Hey, I listened to you, guys, I'm not saying you

734
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: can't theoretically be correct.

735
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Here's all I want to do one day, if I

736
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 2: ever have a net worth of seven or eight figures,

737
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sacrifice a vast majority of my wealth in

738
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: order to start a charity event.

739
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: And here's how the event's gonna work.

740
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have two chairs on a stage and a

741
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: giant screen ability to dim the lights. It's gonna be

742
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: you in one chair, it's gonna be Kirby in the

743
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: other chair. It's gonna be a chalk talk session just

744
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: to cut up a film on the board, and it's

745
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: gonna be an audience out here. This is all going

746
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: to charity, the Josh Foundation, namely, and you and him

747
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: are just gonna talk ball.

748
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: And then when he twists you into.

749
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: An intellectual pretzel about forty five seconds into the event,

750
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: then we're probably gonna have a dunk tank off the

751
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: side so that I can make some of my money back.

752
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: You would get talked into the ground with that man

753
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: talking to you about football, so again, you could be right.

754
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm just saying your ability to sit at home and

755
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: diagnose whether whether or not some of these guys know football,

756
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: or whether they are good x'es.

757
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: And those guys you see the tip of an iceberg.

758
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Underneath the iberg is like a chunk of ice the

759
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: size of the Chrysler building. As it relates to what

760
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: goes into one play call the play call, you know, like,

761
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: for instance, George is gonna play Florida this year, and

762
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: there's gonna come a third and sixth situation midway through

763
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: the third quarter, and you're sitting there asking yourself, Oh,

764
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: I wonder what play they're gonna call. They're deciding it now, dude,

765
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: they're deciding that stuff right now.

766
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: That's when you get out coached. You don't get out

767
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: coached in a game. You get out coached in May,

768
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: in April, in spring.

769
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: That I one of my buddies from back home, coach

770
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: Chip you need to check out his YouTube channel.

771
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: By the way, said this the other day.

772
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was very apropos to the point I'm

773
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: trying to make right now. He himself is a coach,

774
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: been one for a long time, and said, a lot

775
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: of you out there love to talk about coaches being

776
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: out coached, and you think it happens in the heat

777
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: of battle on game day. You may have this and

778
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: that happened, but largely the Hayes in the barn before

779
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: you ever get on the bus to go to the stadium.

780
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: There are just certain situations. You've already decided what you're

781
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: gonna call, based on what personnel package is on the field,

782
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: what formation, what's the situation, what's the down and distance,

783
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: how much time I got on the clock, what quarter

784
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: are we in? All that stuff's decided. Right now.

785
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: They're having staff meetings and dedicating days and chunks of

786
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: weeks to prepare for a team they're gonna play five

787
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: or six months from now. Right now, that's where the

788
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: out coaching happens. That's where the strategicy happens. So all

789
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: I ever do is laugh. Some of these folks talk

790
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: about how coaches.

791
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: Getting out coached. He's getting out coached. How in the

792
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: world do you know what cause he lost the game is.

793
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: If it's that easy to figure out, then my mom

794
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: home could do it. I don't think she's qualified to.

795
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I just don't think a lot of you are qualified

796
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: to either. It's why you never hear me come on the.

797
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Air and say Kurby Smart got out coached, because even

798
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: if he did, if we're being honest, I wouldn't know

799
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: it and you wouldn't know it. Respectfully, let's move on.

800
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: This is pretty ironic.

801
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: So just as I told you that a lot of

802
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: us aren't equipped to judge a coach, it is time

803
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: to seamlessly transition to tell you which head coaches have

804
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: them most approve in America this year. It is not hypocritical.

805
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you that this is not

806
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: hypocritical at all. There's a weird area in college football

807
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: which head coaches have the most approved this year. There's

808
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: this weird area that you get to sometimes in college football,

809
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: and it's that area where a coach isn't on what

810
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: you would call the hot seat, but yet also you're

811
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: not satisfied as a fan base.

812
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Some of these coaches I'm about to talk about, they're

813
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: in that zone.

814
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: Some of them are flat out in do or die mode,

815
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: and some of them are in let's just get back

816
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: to where we were mode. There's a wide variance. It's

817
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: very much a case by case here. I never talk

818
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: about hot seats. Very rarely do I talk about them

819
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: because I don't like it, first off, but secondly, the

820
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: reason I don't it's because there's so much behind the

821
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: scenes that impacts the coach's ability to do his job

822
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: at the level you have set as an expectation.

823
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: Some of them flat out aren't good enough.

824
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: Some of them are handcuffed behind the scenes and you

825
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: can't tell. But as much as we can tell, let's

826
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: talk about this tonight. Ed or Zaran is the first

827
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: one up. Ed Oorgeroon's got some stuff.

828
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: To prove this year. You couldn't write this because if

829
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: I were.

830
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: To just blanketly tell you going into the twenty nineteen season,

831
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you who it is, but

832
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: a coach is going to win a national title and

833
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: then have something to prove by twenty twenty one, you

834
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: would have said, well, no, that's impossible, given at least

835
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: two years after he wins the title.

836
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Well, sure enough, Oorzeron won.

837
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: A title in twenty nineteen, and I think he's got

838
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: a lot to prove. I think the fan base down

839
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: there believes he's got a lot to prove this year.

840
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: They were not prepared last year. But I want to

841
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: finish that sentence, I think.

842
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: There are a lot of very highly thought of coaches

843
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: out there that also wouldn't have been prepared given the

844
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: unique set of circumstances that existed at LSU last year.

845
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Here's the problem.

846
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: The problems were just as much internal as they were

847
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: on the football field. Of course, you can't keep something internal.

848
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: It bleeds onto the football field. That's where they've got

849
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: to make up ground.

850
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: Orgeron knows it.

851
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: I heard him on radio the other day talking about

852
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: helping freshman move in. What do you think that stuff's about.

853
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: That's about repairing his locker room. There was a lot

854
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: of stuff down there. The closer yard of the program,

855
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: the more you know, what I'm talking about is valid.

856
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: There's just some stuff about the fabric of the program

857
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: that needs to be mended. Okay, it's happened before. Hopefully

858
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: it happens again for them, but they need a fast start.

859
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: They go to UCLA. I don't care what the point

860
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: spread is on the game. Football games won on the field,

861
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: not on Vegas odds makers board. They got to win

862
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: the game. I'm not I guess I kinda am calling

863
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: it must win. They can't go out to LA and

864
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: lose Week one against UCLA point blank. Jim Harbaugh second

865
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: up here, Jim Harbaugh has got something to prove this year.

866
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: I want you to look at your calendars, or want

867
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: you to pull them up in your head if you

868
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: don't feel like pulling out a calendar. How long ago

869
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: does it feel now that we were talking about this

870
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: guy's contract. In reality, it was just December, January, February, March.

871
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: That was five months ago. It feels like five years

872
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: ago now.

873
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: Time has become somewhat of a weird theme given everything

874
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: else going on in the world right now. But Jim

875
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: Harbut has been kind of a quiet offseason up there.

876
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, he got his ex but

877
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: also a reduction in salary, and really no one feels

878
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: like they're any closer to knowing if they have the

879
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: long term answer here than they were before that contract

880
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: got changed.

881
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's the key. We can talk about Josh Gaddis

882
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: at OC, we can talk about Harbaugh's the head coach.

883
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 2: It's JJ McCarthy. I mean, it's not rocket science out here.

884
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: You got to get the right quarterback in they think

885
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: they did. I for the record, am in agreement with that.

886
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: I think that's the best shot that they will have had.

887
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: Problem is he's a true freshman. So if we're talking

888
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: about something to prove this year. He needs to have

889
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: a great season as a true freshman. We don't even

890
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: know that he's going to be the starter right now,

891
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: so they've got to get things figured out because they

892
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: also have big games early in the year. They got

893
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: Washington coming in there in week two. Some of those

894
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: game of the year numbers that were put out, Washington

895
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: two and a half point favorite in the Big House,

896
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: where the governor announced today they expect full capacity, so

897
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: we will have that going for.

898
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: Us up there.

899
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: It isn't that they have not closed the gap on

900
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I know that's very popular to talk about

901
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: the gap. Have we closed the gap?

902
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: It's not that.

903
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: Certainly there's a lot of unease about Michigan being a

904
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: distant number two to Ohio State. That's the problem, though,

905
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: what I just said is a lie. They're not number

906
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: two in the big ten to Ohio State. They're not

907
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: the second best program up there right now. I'd easily

908
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: take Wisconsin's program over Michigan right now. You can make

909
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: an argument to take Iowa and Penn State over them.

910
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: You could make those arguments.

911
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Indiana folks would fill my inbox right now and make

912
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: a strong argument they wouldn't trade places with Michigan if

913
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: they could.

914
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go that far because of the

915
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: result of one year. What I'm saying is it's not

916
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: that they hadn't closed the gap on Ohio State. It's

917
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: that it appears to Michigan fans that they've fallen further behind,

918
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: and they may even be trying to peer over the

919
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: shoulders of other programs to even still see Ohio State.

920
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a problem.

921
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: What about Clay Helton as we go all the way

922
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: out west now, Clay Helton at USC. This is when

923
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: I led the segment off and I talked about how

924
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: you could find yourself in some unique positions in college football.

925
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: Clay Helton, to me, is the strangest situation for a

926
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: coach that needs to prove something in all the college football.

927
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: Let's just talk this through you and I and say

928
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: this out loud together. The guy was in the Pac

929
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: twelve Championship game last year. The guy is going to

930
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: enter the season consensus top fifteen, top twenty caliber team.

931
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: They're going to be expected to, according to odds, win

932
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve South.

933
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: That's what they're going to be favored to do.

934
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: And yet if I were to take an approval rating

935
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: of Southern Calfans, and I were to just look at

936
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: Trojan fans above or below fifty percent, Clay Helton's approval

937
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: rating would be in the tank, it'd be well below

938
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: fifty percent. So how do you square that? Will you

939
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: square it by knowing what Southern cal fans know?

940
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: It's not good enough?

941
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff's a miarage, a lot of

942
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: being able to go five and oho and go to

943
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve Championship game. It was more just a

944
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: default of what else didn't exist. There were no other

945
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: viable contenders if you took this USC team. Trojan fans

946
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: know this. It's why they've got an approval rating of

947
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: the guy in the tank, and we tick that USC team.

948
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: We put him in the SEC West as is, it's

949
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: a buzzsaw for them. I mean, it would be unequivocal.

950
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: The answer of what needs to be happened there would

951
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: be unequivocal.

952
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: But it hasn't happened yet.

953
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: That thing, that hot seat talk, that was really wrapped

954
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: up like two years ago, and we thought there was

955
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: going to be a move already made.

956
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: What hasn't been made.

957
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: And so every year when we talk about coaches that

958
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: need to get something done and prove something, Clay Hilton's

959
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: always there.

960
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: I will never forget.

961
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: One of my first orders of business when I got

962
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: to twenty four to seven, was hosting a national signing

963
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: day show. I believe Wilfong was here, Barton was here

964
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: at the time. That's general manager Barton Simmons now, and

965
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: we were sitting there watching in disbelief that USC wasn't

966
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: even going to finish in the top fifty. Now they

967
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: rectified that last year, but for that to ever happen

968
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: at any point, no matter the circumstances at USC, not

969
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: Cal Santa Barbara, USC, you can't have that, and so

970
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: that's why a lot of them they're looking around. They're

971
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: kind of like we talked about the other day with

972
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: Texas and m fans. Once upon a time when Kevin

973
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: sumlm was there, they either wanted to win ten or

974
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: eleven games or wanted to win three or four and

975
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: just leave no doubt what needed to happen. They don't

976
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: want USC fans do not want another eight win season.

977
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: That's not where they want to float. They want decisiveness

978
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: one way or the other. How about James Franklin, let's

979
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: head to Happy Valley, Penn State. You already know my

980
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: thoughts on this. I've shared them many times. All Penn

981
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: State needs is to return to where they already were. See,

982
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: this is a total different dynamic than what you're asking

983
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh to do at Michigan. You're asking him to

984
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: do something he hasn't really done before. You're asking Clay

985
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: Helton in a lot of ways, to do something he

986
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: hasn't done before.

987
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: We're just asking James Franklin get back where he was.

988
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: Jesse's showing you right now, if you're watching it on YouTube,

989
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: what they had done prior to last year. Eleven wins

990
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, eleven wins in twenty seventeen, nine wins

991
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, back to eleven wins in twenty nineteen,

992
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: and then.

993
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: It falls off the cliff. Now, if you're watching on YouTube,

994
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: this is a very good graphical representation of what an

995
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: exception to the rule looks like. Which of those years

996
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: stands out?

997
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: I would argue it's not the eleven win season because

998
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: he's got three of them. I would argue that four

999
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: and what is it? Four and five season? Last year,

1000
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: that's the one that sticks out. Okay, So, like I said,

1001
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: all James Franklin needs to do this year is get

1002
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: things back to where they were. They were floating around

1003
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: a double digit win per year program already.

1004
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: Just get it back to where it is.

1005
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: That's the edge he has, he being James Franklin over

1006
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: a guy like Harbaugh. There is one edge that Harbaugh

1007
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: has over Penn State and James Franklin, and that is

1008
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: it looks like they have their answer to a quarterback

1009
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: at Michigan JJ McCarthy's about as close to an answer

1010
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: as they're going to get up there.

1011
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have that yet at Penn State.

1012
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed that things work out with mister Yursitch this

1013
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: year and all the sudden guys do want to flock

1014
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: to Happy Valley to play and last but not least

1015
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: justin Flinte, what do you think about a record of

1016
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: thirty eight and twenty six. That's what he's been there

1017
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: as a head coach. I thought he was done last year.

1018
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm very surprised he's still the head coach at Virginia Tech.

1019
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: I really think that that beating of Virginia in the

1020
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: last regular season, a regular game of the season. I

1021
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: think that probably went a long way in him maintaining

1022
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: that job. But again, even as I talk about Justin Fuinte,

1023
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: probably if you're going to do a hot seat comparison

1024
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: here him being on the hottest of seats.

1025
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Even as we talk.

1026
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: Like that, I really think that behind the scenes, there

1027
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: is a picture that needs to be painted to be

1028
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: fair here, and that is Virginia Tech. They have been

1029
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: behind the eight ball for a while in terms of

1030
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: resources and keeping.

1031
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: Up with the proverbial jones. As you know in the conference.

1032
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: I know they've taken steps recently, and so let's acknowledge that.

1033
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: But I mean they're trying to take steps.

1034
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: To just stay in the upper half of the ACC,

1035
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: not the SEC, stay in the upper half of the ACC.

1036
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: And if you just know the history of college football,

1037
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: but you don't know the particulars and the inner workings,

1038
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: you just assume Virginia Tech, well, that's one of the

1039
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: most serious football schools in the ACC.

1040
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: It's one of the most serious traditions. You just can't

1041
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: assume this stuff works on autopilot. You got to have

1042
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: the right people at the wheel.

1043
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: So I'm saying that to say you look at Justin

1044
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: Flinte and thirty eight and twenty six and you say

1045
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: that's not good enough. What if the resources he's been

1046
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: working with haven't been good enough. I'm putting it out

1047
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: there rhetorically. It's not my personal argument. I'm saying it

1048
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: could be a valid argument. So those are the coaches

1049
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: that I look at right now with probably the most

1050
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: approved this year, Orjeron Harbaugh, Helton Franklin and Flinte. Good

1051
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: show tonight. I want to remind you again be following

1052
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: those social channels. Got some stuff coming this week. Actually

1053
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: at late Kick Josh I promised we wouldn't go an

1054
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: hour tonight and we did so it's a good way

1055
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: to wrap up the week. Thank you so much for

1056
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: watching the show. Remember, liking the videos is what we love.

1057
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: Subscribing to the channel about the top fifty thousand on YouTube.

1058
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: And we've been doing this about a year. Colin I

1059
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, creep this thing up about a year ago.

1060
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: So we've had a lot of fun here, pills in

1061
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: comparison to what we have coming.

1062
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: In the future though.

1063
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: So in the meantime, got to go get an early

1064
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: start on the weekend for director Emeritus Colin Jesse and

1065
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Crewe and can that and I'm Josh Baide have a

1066
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: great start to your weekend and God bless