WEBVTT - Eight Crazy Nights with Alex Danton-Klein 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.560 On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.960 and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.400 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Bast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.000 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:16.720 How is it? 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.680 It's like it's like Hi, I'm Jamie, him Jamie, and 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.360 then like hi, I'm Ji, Like how do you There's 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.840 so many scenes that are like three different out of 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.800 Sandler voices, and. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.920 They're all annoying their way. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.839 Well, yes comes with the territory, Yes, indeed, and meanwhile 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.239 bringing New Hampshire into like, leave New England out of this, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.319 Leave New England. I have so many thoughts I leave 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.279 New England. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.199 Out of this. I was. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.120 I was mad they called it Dukesbury. I think that 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.520 they were I Alex, let me know what you think. Sorry, 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.320 we're just gonna the episode started. They're like I thought 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.160 they were like making a weird reference to Tuksbury, which 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.240 is not in New Hampshire. My dad used to work 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.800 at a mental hospital in Tooks, so I was like, 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.600 you leave ticks Burry out of it. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:03.120 I don't know. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.399 I actually spent a long time googling what potential town 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.440 this could be in New Hampshire, because I was like, so, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.840 I'm obviously we're skipping. We'll tup back to the introductions later. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.560 I am a Jewish person. I grew up in New 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.560 York City, which obviously has a very large portion of 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.040 Jews are there, like many many people are Jewish there, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:24.800 and if you're not Jewish, you obviously. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.080 Know many Jews. So it's just like infused in the 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:27.920 culture of New York. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.039 I'm a fourth or fourth generation Brooklyn Night so hardcore 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.080 like Brooklyn Jewish history here. And then I moved to 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.480 New England around two thousand and eight, so I have the. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.200 Jewish experience in New York. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.920 And then also this like cultural whiplash of being in 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.560 New England and being Jewish in New England, which is 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.560 really different than being Jewish in New York. So the 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.680 whole time watching this movie, I spent a lot of 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.120 time googling life but what town could this be? 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:53.440 Though? 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.400 Like there aren't enough Jewish, like what town in New Hampshire? 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.520 Like it's I have a whole list of notes, It's 0:01:58.560 --> 0:01:59.480 just not true. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.200 Like like I thought it was such a weird place 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:03.560 to set it. Yeah, I mean, and they made it 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.400 sound like there's a very small Jewish population in this town. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.919 But I'm like, why are we setting it there, because 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.720 then Hanaka doesn't really happen, Like it's just confusing. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.760 Yes, it's confusing, and that is the whole movie what 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.680 we're talking about today, which is eight Crazy Nights. Hello, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.360 and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. It's us here, we are, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.760 and the voice you heard is that of our guest. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.160 She is a Jewish leftist fiber artist. She works in 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.040 fundraising and is the tech director of a middle school 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.880 theater program. It's Alex Stanton Klein. Hello and welcome. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.080 Hi. I'm so glad to be here. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.960 Tell us more about your fiber artistry to start, and 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.600 then we'll get back into dumping on Crazy Nights. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:50.160 Yeah. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.120 And also just like, if you don't know what the 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.239 Bechdel Test is or what this show is, just look 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.680 it up. It's fine, we've been on for eight years. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:57.880 Like do your homework. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.839 Yeah, very happy to be here. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.280 I do a lot of embroidery and textile art and 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.239 like I said, I'm in New England. I sell in 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.600 New England markets. You can find me on Instagram at 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.240 Zinia Socialist Supply company just co ginnya socialist supply co 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.280 on Instagram. Also in addition to making leftist art and 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.480 make an embarrassing amount of musical theater themed stickers and 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.960 postcards and so on. So if you need something that 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.600 is a very very specific reference to just one line 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.560 in Rent, I'm your girl. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.200 Love that. I love that. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.040 We still haven't we actually still have not covered Chris 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.040 Columbus's Rent two thousand and five, if you like to return, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.080 as someone would ay, I still like I because I 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.520 didn't see the show before that. I'm like, that movie 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.120 is good, and then you watch it You're like, no, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.440 it's not. But even as I'm watching it like it's perfect, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:52.880 it's great. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.560 No, I have the deepest amount of love and hate 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.520 for that movie. Like it's like they're both there in 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.720 my soul. And I'd be happy to talk more about it. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.480 And you know that we have a whole group of 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.800 friends in a little chat that would be delighted to 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.280 join in us as well. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.200 So thrilling too. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:15.920 I remember that I for a listener context, Alex is 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.120 a dear friend of mine, and the night before I 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.960 moved to La so like almost ten years ago, Jake 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.440 was driving me from I forgot something, I'd like lost something, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.920 Jake being her husband or her husband refer to him 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.480 as nothing else. But Jake and I were driving somewhere 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.960 and we were listening to the Rent movie soundtrack, like 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.880 just screaming and reaching the conclusion that maybe this is 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.000 not very good and it was just the best. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.320 Wait, is Jake not who you saw I Frankenstein with? 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.080 Yes, Jake actually has deep Buchdel castlere like Jake and 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.719 I saw I Frankenstein, I would say easily three times. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.120 And this was before the AMC stubs days, so we 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.640 were paying twenty bucks a pop, which we were really 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:12.159 heavily investing in the I Frankenstein lore universe. Always have, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.160 always will, same with the Master of Disguise. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.240 Yeah, not to keep bringing like mad into the Backdel 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.240 cast because. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.040 Wow, but sorry, we're talking about We're talking about Jake, 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:23.919 We're talking about Frankenstein. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.680 But we're gonna talking about Grant too, because Jamie and 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.960 Jake forced me and Grant to watch I Frankenstide like 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.479 all of us, very late at night one night pretty 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.080 recently actually, like within the past six months or so, 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.400 and we had to sit down and watch it. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.480 It was actually pretty violent, because yeah, it was already 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.400 like one in the morning, was like, we have to 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.960 start watching I Frankenstein and pause and rewind the part 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.919 where he's swinging nunchucks at nobody on the top of 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.039 a mountain, which is still my favorite part. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:56.479 I am a demon Prince. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.400 Jammie bought our baby a demon prince, Onesie. So before 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:01.560 is going to continue to. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.719 The next generation, Kitlin, I forgot to tell you I 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.760 did order a custom I Frankenstein baby once for. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.200 Baby kline. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:18.920 Wow, that's amazing. So okay, sorry your fiver art right slash. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:24.279 Tell us about your relationship with the movie Eight Crazy Nights. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:24.680 Okay. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.800 So Jamie texted me and said, would you like to 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.920 come on beckdelcast and talk a little bit about this movie? 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.960 And I said, oh, yeah, I think I've seen it before. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.839 And then it horrifically like played before my eyes in 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.839 slow motion as I was like re experiencing this event. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.599 So let me take you back to like two thousand, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.800 let's say five or six, and I'm in college and 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.280 it is an unnamed liberal arts college wherein it is 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.720 the perfect blending of both the era and then the 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.840 type of college I went to where everybody was really 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.000 into ironic racism, which, as we all know, is just racist, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.680 but white people get to be like, oh haha, it 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.920 was funny when I said it, and that's it. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:06.599 What a time. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.880 It was really lovely, and I was one of smattering 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.160 of Jewish people on campus, and I can't remember it 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.280 was my roommate or someone who like lived in my door, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.720 my near us, but at the time they were like, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:19.840 you have to watch this movie. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:20.800 It's really funny. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.440 And I'll say, similarly to the I Frankenstein watch, it 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.080 was inflicted upon me, but unlike I Frankenstein, I didn't 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.160 laugh at all. And I remember just sitting there letting 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.200 them watch me watch this movie. And it was like 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.000 the weirdest experience of like a group of non Jews 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.040 of boys just like sitting there watching me experience a 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.000 movie that they thought was like the epidity of Jewish culture. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.040 I was just like, why, why, why is this a 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.200 part of my life? Yeah? 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:52.760 Unfair, unfair. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:58.040 I am curious because this is the second I believe 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:03.080 Hanuka movie we have on the show. Both movies, as 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.000 Kaylin and I both have in our notes, ultimately end 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.760 up being more about youth basketball than Hanukkah. So I'm curious, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.960 is there Do you have a favorite and it doesn't 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.720 have to be a movie, but do you a favorite 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.720 piece of Hanukkah media? 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:17.560 Yeah? 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.360 I mean I think before we talk about that, I 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.520 will just say because it would be weird for me. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.240 I feel like my grandmother would be really mad if 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:24.880 I didn't say. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.760 This, Like, Hankkah is only it's not one of the 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.679 major Jewish holidays, which often surprises people who aren't Jewish, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.440 like there are many other holidays that actually are of 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.880 greater significance, and so Hannaka is just it's it's in 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.120 the winter time. It has this weird sort of competitive 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.400 thing with Christmas sort of. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.960 Which is why people like place so much emphasis on it, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.920 because it's actually just like, well it's Christmas time, but 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.400 we'll acknowledge all their holidays that are happening around this 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.160 ends up, but ultimately it's just very Christmas centric, right, Yeah. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.080 I feel like a lot of Hanukka material relates like 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.760 exists only in relationship to Christmas. It doesn't have its 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.240 own thing, which is just sort of Obviously, we live 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.840 in a fairly Christian society, even if we're not legally 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.599 yet just pure Christian society. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.079 Not quite a christ sho fascist regime yet. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.720 But yeah, just take note of when this is released, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.840 because by the time you listen to it, we may be. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:25.720 So. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.040 All that said, knowing that Hankkah is like a major holiday, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.200 I think there are other Jewish movies that are awesome 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.559 and amazing and are about Jewish culture and are really 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:34.600 fun and exciting. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.920 Crossing Delancey is a delight. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.840 It's a rom com and this woman gets set up 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.200 by like a matchmaker with a man who sells pickles 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.240 at a deli, and it's very, very cute, and it's 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.280 a woman director too. I think that one's lovely, not 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.800 a Hanuka movie, but a very lovely Jewish movie. I 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.840 honestly have a really problematic as hell, but I have 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.040 a really large soft spot in my heart for. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.040 Hanka. Oh my god, sorry, pregnancy brain. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.680 The big like Honega, like the juice ploitation type Honka 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.720 movie that came out with Adam. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.080 Is it the Hebrew Hammer? 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:09.920 Yeah? 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.160 Yeah, my dad and I watched that all the time. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:12.920 We love it. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.400 Yeah, it's problematic as hell. It is supposed to be 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.520 like a black exploitation movie. But with Jews, and it's sexist. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.000 I mean, it's like, got terrible problems with it, but 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:22.600 I find. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:23.120 It very funny. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.280 And the idea is that he has to save Hankah 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.079 again from some like evil kind of Christian fascist type 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.160 played by Andy Dick. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.040 So yeah, I was like. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:38.720 Yeah, this this this cast so Adam Goldberg, Judy Greer, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:44.320 Andy Dick, Mario Van Peebles, Peter Coyote, I mean of 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.199 e t Fame, of et No No, of the Hebrew 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:48.959 Hammer fame. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.840 Sorry, So yeah, that's a. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:52.640 That's a fun one. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:53.000 Yeah. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.280 I'm not saying it's good. I want to stress it's 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.480 not good. It is fun, sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.440 What was the name of the dcom that we covered 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.199 a couple of years ago, Jamie, that's also about youth basketball. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.920 It was called Full Court Miracle, right. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.760 We had fay or Love on for that, And I 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.240 think at the time we discussed I mean, I am 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.600 not Jewish, and I grew up with such limited exposure 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.480 to Jewish culture because, as we've alluded to, I did 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.040 not grow up in a community where there were a 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.760 lot of Jewish people, and so I think my main 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.920 understanding of this holiday specifically would have been an episode 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.520 of Rugrats, and honestly. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.000 That pretty accurate. I would say I grew that. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.480 I was like, all right, yeah, that. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.680 Gives you a good working knowledge of the basics of 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:40.240 the holiday. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.679 What's weird is there's iconography in the movie vaguely that 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.040 relate to Hankah, but like, you never see him. I 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.640 don't think lighting a manora or doing like none of 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.920 the characters are doing Honkkah right, unless I'm misremembering. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:53.840 No. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.280 I also was a little bit confused at like at 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.000 the beginning, I'm like, maybe, honestly, I found it very 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.000 hard to focus on this movie and I refuse to 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.719 watch it twice, so there may be And. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.480 It's only eighty six minutes long, not even it's like 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:08.880 seventy six minutes long. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.400 It definitely has like Master of Guy's syndrome, where it's 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:17.800 so short but it feels unbelievably long, grueling. Yeah, but there, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:23.520 I think at the beginning, Whitey aka also Adam Sandler 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.280 says that he is not Jewish, but then by the 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.360 end they invite everyone over for Hanukkah, and I was like, wait, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.040 didn't this start with this character stating he like he 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.880 doesn't celebrate Hanukkah. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.720 Right, and then also, but is his sister not extremely 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:43.280 like Jewish coded Yes, in an offensive and stereotypical way. Yes, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.360 but they're not a Jewish family, so you really just 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:47.600 wonder what's happening there. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.080 So why did they go so far out of their 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.720 way to be like, these siblings are not Jewish, but 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.880 then by the end they are. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.440 It was like, I don't know, this movie's a mess. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.000 It's all ye, and. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.679 I'll say I even at one point when they showed 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.720 the exter of Whitey and his sister's house, I've paused 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.480 it because you can see I think that there are 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.840 Christmas and Hanuka decorations just to add extra confusion, so 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.320 like they have a large amount of Christmas decorations and 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.160 also some Honica decorations too, Like I saw some blues 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:17.719 white in there. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:23.040 Ultimately, this family is considering celebrating Hanukkah, and it's unclear why. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.599 They just appreciate a whole cultures question. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:33.360 Mark, Yeah, there, I mean unproblematic, simply duo. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.040 So wait, Jamie, what's your history if any with this movie. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.120 I hadn't seen it, I although I've heard it like 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:46.040 referenced so many times I've heard there's I don't know, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.480 like I wouldn't have seen this, Like I was too 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.200 young to see this when it came out, but I 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.440 do remember like later on, just like boys doing impressions 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.040 of the Whitey character. I do have like probably around 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.240 the same like Borat impression era, just like a really 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.920 difficult time to be in middle school. But I mean 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.640 I guess that there's just so there's always going to 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.880 be an annoying, offensive character and middle school boys are 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.640 going to do an impression of it ad nauseum. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.360 So I knew about Whitey weirdly. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.679 And that is all I knew about this movie. I'd 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.080 never seen it before. What about you, Caitlin. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.640 I did see it for the first time only like 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.680 probably two or three years ago. I don't know what 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.120 compelled me exactly to like it's time take it upon 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.040 myself to watch it, but I was just like shot 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.080 up in the middle of the night. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.720 Yeah, I must do this. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.440 I mean, we've been talking about potentially covering this movie 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.960 on the podcast for years because around this time we 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:45.880 almost always do like a very Christian centric Christmas movie 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.160 slate of movies, and we were like, let's diversify the 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.160 slate of movies. So because this is one of the 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:59.280 few mainstream, you know, Hollywood movies that centers Hanukkah or 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.840 that at least has Honkah as a backdrop, because this 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.920 movie is kind of not about Honkah at all, that 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.120 I was like, Oh, I should watch this. I've heard 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.800 about it. And at the time, because we were well 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.480 into doing the Bechdel Cast, I was like, oh, this 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.760 is one of the most problematic movies I've ever seen. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.560 It's not funny at all, not a single joke lands. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.320 And I know that comedy is subjective, but this movie is, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:31.840 I would say, objectively not even remotely funny. So I 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.160 was like, gross, But it'll make for a good conversation 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.960 when we inevitably cover it. And here we are doing 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:43.840 just that, and I can't wait to really just do 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:49.120 us a slam dunk to use some basketball terminology to 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:50.240 dunk on the movie. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:51.720 Wow, incredible. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.440 And also the animation sucks. Sorry, Like I said, the 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:02.320 like sync between the mouth and the the vocal performances. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.240 Is never SINGCD. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.800 And then there is something I kind of like. I 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.680 was bothered by it at first, but then I kind 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:08.400 of grew to like it. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:08.920 Over time. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.640 Anytime there's a group like a wide shot of everyone singing, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.920 no one's mouth this movie, I think they like were 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:15.680 not able to. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.280 Like afford to make everyone sing. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.120 But it's just like you hear, especially like that big 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.520 number towards the end and they pull out, it's like 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.840 the whole community center singing and dancing. Everyone's mouth is 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.960 totally shut like like it's I found it scary at first, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.400 and then they do it again in the end end 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.200 scene at the mall. Still couldn't afford to open the mouths. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.520 Why make it a group scene if that is you know, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:42.840 it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.240 It's a perfect movie. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.400 No, that's. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:48.400 No. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.560 I think that I do at some point want to 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.800 talk about the music from it because like some of 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.320 us talking are very musical theater kids at our hearts, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.640 and like the music is so bad it's like hurt 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.440 my I was like, this isn't how music, Like, like 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.600 I understand they're supposed to be funny and the songs 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.320 are funny, like I'm not I did not get that part, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.440 but right it just like like to me, I was. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.359 Like, but this is it. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.680 Like when you think about an animated movie that has 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.760 music or musical or something else that where people sing 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.760 like none of the there weren't reasons for them to sing. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.520 He was just like, I guess the musical number will 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.480 go here, and then another one will go here, and 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.719 like they just don't function well as musical numbers. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.359 And that was, yeah, honestly very stressful for me. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:31.720 Why technical. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.639 I think it was the song technical foul that broke me. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.480 Oh my gosh, where and it was stuck in my head. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.040 That's why I had to go see Wicked immediately after, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.679 because I was like, I can't go to sleep, but that's. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:47.040 A technical foul, like stuck in my head. That song was. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.240 I mean, none of the songs are really necessary, but 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.840 that one just comes out of nowhere. It's so long 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.040 and has nothing to do with anything. The best song 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.159 in the movie is a decade old song they use 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.040 in the credits, the Honka song Like, which is also 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.600 clearly why the movie exists, because the line eight crazy 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.240 nights appears in the song and it's a classic. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:08.200 It's super funny. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.639 Like Adam Sandler does is not He's not one of 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.000 my guys, but I get why people like him. When 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.240 I listen to the Hankkah song. I don't get why 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.560 people like him. When I watch Eight Crazy. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.879 Nights, do you know that the big joke among at 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.159 least someone of my friends and family about the Hanka 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.360 song is just like our whole family would. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.120 Just go, I mean, Adam, what are you doing? Why 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.000 are you just giving people a list of Jews? 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.600 Nobody needs that that secret like, don't make a list 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:41.359 of us, It's not safe. And yeah, I would have 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.480 actually kind of enjoyed a movie if it featured eight 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.000 Crazy Nights and eat Crazy Night or like sorry, if 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.959 the the Hanka song had been like a part of 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.240 the story. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.360 In some way. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.239 Why not? Really, yeah, why just do that? 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.000 I would have had fun with that. You know, that 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.679 would have been a really enjoyable movie. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.880 Maybe maybe, Well, let's take a quick break and then 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:05.240 we will come back and do the recap of this 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.280 seventy six minute long feature film. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:21.640 Bear it back and we're back, and we're back. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.959 Yes, this does have another feature of a movie that 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.800 just couldn't make it to feature length, which is that 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.640 it also has an incredibly long credit sequence. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.760 So it looks like it's eighty minutes long, but it 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:33.160