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Speaker 1: On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Bast

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: How is it?

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like Hi, I'm Jamie, him Jamie, and

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Speaker 3: then like hi, I'm Ji, Like how do you There's

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Speaker 3: so many scenes that are like three different out of

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Speaker 4: They're all annoying their way.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes comes with the territory, Yes, indeed, and meanwhile

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Speaker 3: bringing New Hampshire into like, leave New England out of this,

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Speaker 3: Leave New England. I have so many thoughts I leave

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Speaker 4: Out of this. I was.

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Speaker 3: I was mad they called it Dukesbury. I think that

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Speaker 3: they were I Alex, let me know what you think. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: we're just gonna the episode started. They're like I thought

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Speaker 3: they were like making a weird reference to Tuksbury, which

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Speaker 3: you leave ticks Burry out of it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I actually spent a long time googling what potential town

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Speaker 5: this could be in New Hampshire, because I was like, so,

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Speaker 5: I'm obviously we're skipping. We'll tup back to the introductions later.

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Speaker 5: I am a Jewish person. I grew up in New

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Speaker 5: York City, which obviously has a very large portion of

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Speaker 6: Know many Jews. So it's just like infused in the

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Speaker 5: I'm a fourth or fourth generation Brooklyn Night so hardcore

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Speaker 6: Jewish experience in New York.

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Speaker 5: And then also this like cultural whiplash of being in

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Speaker 5: whole time watching this movie, I spent a lot of

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Speaker 7: Though?

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Speaker 5: Like there aren't enough Jewish, like what town in New Hampshire?

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Speaker 5: Like it's I have a whole list of notes, It's

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Speaker 3: Like like I thought it was such a weird place

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Speaker 3: then Hanaka doesn't really happen, Like it's just confusing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's confusing, and that is the whole movie what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about today, which is eight Crazy Nights. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. It's us here, we are,

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Speaker 2: and the voice you heard is that of our guest.

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Speaker 2: She is a Jewish leftist fiber artist. She works in

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Speaker 2: fundraising and is the tech director of a middle school

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Speaker 2: theater program. It's Alex Stanton Klein. Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 6: Hi. I'm so glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Tell us more about your fiber artistry to start, and

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Speaker 2: then we'll get back into dumping on Crazy Nights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also just like, if you don't know what the

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Speaker 3: Bechdel Test is or what this show is, just look

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Speaker 3: it up. It's fine, we've been on for eight years.

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Speaker 3: Like do your homework.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, very happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: I do a lot of embroidery and textile art and

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Speaker 5: like I said, I'm in New England. I sell in

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Speaker 5: Zinia Socialist Supply company just co ginnya socialist supply co

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Speaker 5: on Instagram. Also in addition to making leftist art and

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Speaker 5: make an embarrassing amount of musical theater themed stickers and

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Speaker 5: postcards and so on. So if you need something that

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Speaker 5: is a very very specific reference to just one line

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Speaker 5: in Rent, I'm your girl.

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Speaker 2: Love that. I love that.

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Speaker 3: We still haven't we actually still have not covered Chris

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Speaker 3: Columbus's Rent two thousand and five, if you like to return,

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Speaker 3: didn't see the show before that. I'm like, that movie

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Speaker 5: No, I have the deepest amount of love and hate

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Speaker 5: for that movie. Like it's like they're both there in

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Speaker 5: And you know that we have a whole group of

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Speaker 4: So thrilling too.

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Speaker 3: I remember that I for a listener context, Alex is

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Speaker 3: a dear friend of mine, and the night before I

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Speaker 3: moved to La so like almost ten years ago, Jake

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Speaker 3: as nothing else. But Jake and I were driving somewhere

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Speaker 2: Wait, is Jake not who you saw I Frankenstein with?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Jake actually has deep Buchdel castlere like Jake and

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Speaker 3: I saw I Frankenstein, I would say easily three times.

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Speaker 3: heavily investing in the I Frankenstein lore universe. Always have,

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Speaker 3: always will, same with the Master of Disguise.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, not to keep bringing like mad into the Backdel

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Speaker 2: Wow, but sorry, we're talking about We're talking about Jake,

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Frankenstein.

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Speaker 5: But we're gonna talking about Grant too, because Jamie and

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Speaker 5: Jake forced me and Grant to watch I Frankenstide like

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Speaker 3: It was actually pretty violent, because yeah, it was already

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Speaker 4: I am a demon Prince.

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Speaker 3: The next generation, Kitlin, I forgot to tell you I

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your relationship with the movie Eight Crazy Nights.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So Jamie texted me and said, would you like to

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Speaker 5: It was really lovely, and I was one of smattering

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Speaker 5: I was just like, why, why, why is this a

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Speaker 5: This, Like, Hankkah is only it's not one of the

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Speaker 6: Hanka. Oh my god, sorry, pregnancy brain.

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Speaker 5: The big like Honega, like the juice ploitation type Honka

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Speaker 5: What's weird is there's iconography in the movie vaguely that

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Speaker 3: And that is all I knew about this movie. I'd

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about potentially covering this movie

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Speaker 2: It's not funny at all, not a single joke lands.

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Speaker 4: Wow, incredible.

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Speaker 3: And also the animation sucks. Sorry, Like I said, the

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Speaker 3: And then there is something I kind of like. I

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Speaker 4: Over time.

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Speaker 3: Anytime there's a group like a wide shot of everyone singing,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: It's a perfect movie.

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Speaker 6: No, that's.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 5: I think that I do at some point want to

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Speaker 6: Like, but this is it.

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Speaker 5: Like when you think about an animated movie that has

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Speaker 4: A technical foul, like stuck in my head. That song was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, none of the songs are really necessary, but

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Speaker 4: It's super funny.

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Speaker 3: Like Adam Sandler does is not He's not one of

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Speaker 3: I listen to the Hankkah song. I don't get why

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Speaker 5: Nights, do you know that the big joke among at

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Speaker 6: Just go, I mean, Adam, what are you doing? Why

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Speaker 5: Nobody needs that that secret like, don't make a list

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Speaker 6: In some way.

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Speaker 4: Why not? Really, yeah, why just do that?

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, Well, let's take a quick break and then

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Speaker 4: Bear it back and we're back, and we're back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this does have another feature of a movie that

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Speaker 3: It just they play the Hanakah song all the way through,

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Speaker 2: As soon as you get the title card where it's

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Speaker 3: I know he's walking around, and then cut to Rob

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Speaker 5: This movie is so firmly rooted in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 4: In here, it stinks in here.

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Speaker 3: It's wild that this is like this is also this

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Speaker 2: For it, you know. He he has range from something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. So the voiceover is explaining that Christmas

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Speaker 3: I will be calling him Adam Sandler. I can't be

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Speaker 3: bothered to call him daddy.

444
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: So he is a down on his luck guy. He's

445
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: at a Chinese restaurant getting drunk. He leaves without paying,

446
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: so the cops start chasing him, but not before he

447
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: drunkenly makes with his car. For some reason.

448
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: That is a note on my many list of things

449
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 5: I don't like. I just said, do not like him

450
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 5: making out with his car at all? Not a good

451
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 5: joke comment not good bad.

452
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: Is well, you're you're correct, it is not good and

453
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't even crack the top fifty percentile of bad,

454
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: which is which is wild.

455
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

456
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: So then he starts like snowboarding around town on the

457
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: lid of a trash can or something. He's singing a song, Oh.

458
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: My God, and the songs are even the song's titles

459
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: are lazy. Davy's song is the first song, and he's like,

460
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't like Hanukkah or Christmas. I don't like this

461
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: time of year. And you're like, oh, all right, this

462
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: thinks I don't like it.

463
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the whole song.

464
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: The chorus is I hate love, I hate you, I

465
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: hate me, and you're like, cool, go to therapy, sir.

466
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: There's I mean, it's like there, that is a reasonable

467
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: starting point. I mean, he's like, he's scrooging around. Okay,

468
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: but what is this going to build to? And the

469
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: answer is not very much.

470
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: I do want to know in the opening bits, and

471
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 5: this is something that I noticed when I moved to

472
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 5: New England, is that they had this the Ice Santa

473
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: and the Ice Manora side by side, and they are

474
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 5: of equal height and of equal importance in this town

475
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 5: that supposedly of Jewish people, right, Yeah, the percentage of

476
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: the percentage of the Jewish population in New Hampshire is

477
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: around zero point eight percent.

478
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 6: So I don't think I googled it after living because

479
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 6: it's eight.

480
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's small, and I think there's like a few

481
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 5: towns that have like concentrations, but it's not like there's

482
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: a huge you know, So it doesn't make sense to

483
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 5: Jamie's point earlier to have it set in New Hampshire.

484
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 6: But also my point is living.

485
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 5: In New England, it's very rare to see Honeka be

486
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 5: treated with the same level of decorative important as Christmas.

487
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 5: And I just like straight from the beginning, I was like, well,

488
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 5: that doesn't feel right to me. Like the last like

489
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 5: like I right, my husband and I went to a

490
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 5: mall and the whole you walk into the mall and

491
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 5: the whole entryway is all Christmas stuff And then we

492
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 5: walked like down the side to the area that had

493
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 5: actually there was like they were renovating it and it

494
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 5: was ripped off with caution tape and there was like

495
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 5: one small manora of side over there, like that's that's

496
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 5: kind of how we expect honna going to be treated

497
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 5: in places where there are not a lot of Jews, right,

498
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 5: It's not the main focus.

499
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 6: So it just felt so not accurate.

500
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 5: Like right from the beginning, I'm like, ad a buddy, like,

501
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 5: what what are you doing? This isn't how this is

502
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 5: not an authentic to me anyway, based on my experience

503
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 5: and how I experienced a hanika.

504
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 6: In New England or outside of a major metropolis.

505
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: I was very confused at the choice to set it

506
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: in New England if they were not going to make

507
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: it a point that like Christmas is so dominant in

508
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: New England and like have that be sort of like

509
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: a plot point or something that's referenced in more than

510
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: a couple of passing jokes. But it just feels like

511
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: an excuse for the movie to not actually be about Hanakah.

512
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: It's really bizarre. I was like, what is this movie about?

513
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 6: Is Adam Sandler? Is he from New England? Is that

514
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 6: I'm kind of guessing he's from New York?

515
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: Okay, I just assumed he was, Like, let's just set

516
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: it up in New England for the.

517
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 6: Hell of it.

518
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess he moved to Manchester when he was

519
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: a kid. Okay, Okay, so he did go to high

520
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: school in New Hampshire. I guess that explains New Hampshire

521
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: at least.

522
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but the like vibe seems very off. As

523
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: you said, Alex, in any case, he's snowboarding around, he's

524
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: singing about how he hates everybody, and he's just being

525
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: cruel and awful to everyone he encounters. And like you said, Jamie, like, sure,

526
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: if he's like a gringe type, fine place for a

527
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: character to start, assuming he'll have an arc. But they

528
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: like went way too far in that direction of just

529
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: being so horrible that he is like irredeemable.

530
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 5: I think I couldn't find myself rooting for him. No,

531
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: in anyway I.

532
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: Felt that, especially the second we meet Jennifer, I'm like,

533
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: I can't believe she has to end up with this guy.

534
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: This is so unfair to her, like I know this

535
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: is the only woman. And also I mean, we'll get

536
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: to it, but just the animation style.

537
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: We talked about this a lot in animated movies in general,

538
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: but just how like the tropes in how women are animated,

539
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: and then the love interest just looks like a hot lady.

540
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: You're just like And then any woman who the Adam

541
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: Sandler character doesn't want to have sex with is designed

542
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: so wildly differently, so like offensive that the lady with three.

543
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: Boobs, I'm like, what are what is? What is that?

544
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: And she comes out of nowhere in nax and I

545
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: was like, wait, we haven't met this character before. She

546
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: shows up so late in the movie.

547
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: She's like, here's me.

548
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 9: I was like, what is this?

549
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: She is established early on, but like for what reason?

550
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: It's it's so annoying anyway. So he's being awful to everyone,

551
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: and then he gets arrested and goes before a judge

552
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: who is about to give him a harsh sentence because

553
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: he has a history of like just being awful and

554
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: disruptive in the community. But then a man named Whitey

555
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: Duval who is also voiced by Adam Sandler, is this a.

556
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: Whitey Bulger joke?

557
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 7: Like?

558
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: What? What?

559
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.

560
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 4: If so, it doesn't make sense.

561
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. He interjects and suggests that Davy

562
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: do community service in the form of helping Whitey referee

563
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: youth basketball games. That's because that's gonna set him straight.

564
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: That's a that's a hefty dose of white privilege right

565
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: at right at the top where it's like, oh, you've

566
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: been sentenced to not even community service, you've been sentenced

567
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: to a part time job, right like he got a

568
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: job out of almost getting a dy Yes.

569
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: And then Davy reluctantly agrees to this after saying a

570
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: whole string of very ablest things to Whitey. But he's like, fine,

571
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: I'll do it because otherwise he's going to be sentenced

572
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: to like ten years in prison. So he's like, I

573
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: guess i'll referee youth basketball instead ten.

574
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: Years in prison, or we'll give you a job. I'm like, uh,

575
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: huh huh. Justice system makes sense.

576
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, there's a subplot where Whitey is hoping to

577
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: win the All Star patch at the youth league basketball

578
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: banquet that's coming up.

579
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: I will say I was I was a little invested

580
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: in the patch. I wanted him to get the patch

581
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: that makes one of us because I didn't give a shit.

582
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: Now I was rooting for him.

583
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 5: I think it like Jamie is saying, there's a movie

584
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: that appears to like middle school boys, and then they

585
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 5: do the voice, and like, the Whitey voice just made

586
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 5: me like physically tends up because I was like, oh,

587
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: it's every boy from my middle school. It just like

588
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: as you just that, it just brought it all back,

589
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: and I just couldn't.

590
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 6: I couldn't support Whitey because of that.

591
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally understand. I don't know.

592
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I I he's the only character that I mean,

593
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: he's just so abused when he's put in the in

594
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: the shit statue.

595
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: Oh, he is a sympathetic character. Yeah, because you feel

596
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: sorry for him, you feel pretty for it. We'll talk

597
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: all about it.

598
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not like,

599
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: why don't you guys like Whitey. I understand, I understand.

600
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: I just wanted him to get the patch. I mean,

601
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: he gets spoiler or he gets five of them.

602
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So it's the first basketball game that Davy

603
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: is meant to be refereeing, but he's not really doing

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: his job. He then makes another string of extremely fat

605
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: phobic remarks to one of the players on one of

606
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: the teams, and the game ends and Whitey is upset

607
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: about the way Davy is treating people, so he takes

608
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: Davy to the mall.

609
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I like Whitey. I like going to

610
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: the mall because he I find it comforting.

611
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: To the going to the dunkin Donuts in the mall.

612
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing that too. I'm hitting up the dunks

613
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: at the Glendell Gallery. I'm unknown entity there. So maybe

614
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: that's why I connect with him.

615
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I understand.

616
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a technical file. It's sucking my head again

617
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: much anyway.

618
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: So Whitey is teaching Davy a lesson at the mall,

619
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: of course, and he's telling Davy he needs to be

620
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: more respectful. And there a woman named Jennifer Friedman who

621
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: is voiced by Jackie Sandler aka Adam Sandler's his wife.

622
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Although I don't think they were married at the time.

623
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is how they met or what,

624
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: but this is pre their marriage, I believe.

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: Interesting. Yes, I did not realize that it's true.

626
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: That is baffling that you could fall in love during

627
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: the production of this movie.

628
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got married the next.

630
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: Year, So I feel like it's kind of safe to

631
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: say that eight Crazy Nights, I mean, something good came

632
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: out of it.

633
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: So they brought them together there good for them anyway.

634
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: So Jennifer and her son Benjamin are there at the

635
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: mall because I believe she works at Dunkin Donuts. She detonomically.

636
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: I looked into it because I Caitlin, as you know,

637
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: I love keeping track of product placement. There is so

638
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: much of this. What I learned though, is that they

639
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: got permission for none of it. None of it, well

640
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: none of it, so there's not even a reason for it, Like,

641
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: but you've got which because at first, when Whitey was

642
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: showing Adam Sandler every store at the mall, first reason,

643
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this must have been how they

644
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: funded the movie, right with this product life. It turns

645
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: out they were just doing that for no reason at all.

646
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: Sharper Image, Body Shop, GNC, Tyrax, Spencer's Sabarro, Dunks Sees Candy,

647
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: Panda Express, Victoria's Secret Italian Eatery, Hot Dog Gonna Stick,

648
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: and seven to eleven. They got no money to do that.

649
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: They just they were just like, here's this.

650
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: Do you like this?

651
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 6: It's just for the love of them all. Yeah, they

652
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: just had to. I mean, I like, how did you feel,

653
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 6: how did you.

654
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: Feel about the Dunks situation? Because I know your feelings

655
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: on Dunks.

656
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: But like representation matters, like it's I I liked that

657
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: there was a Dunks in New Hampshire.

658
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: That makes sense to me.

659
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: And I like Jennifer all one thing I know about her.

660
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm I'm rooting for Jennifer to somehow bust through the

661
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: fourth wall.

662
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: And be in a different movie. But I do.

663
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: I like a girl who works at Dunkin Donuts. Yeah,

664
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: hell yeah, working class hero, exactly.

665
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: Exact single mother.

666
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: But then she ends Honestly, she ends this movie worse

667
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: off than when she started because now she has like

668
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: a second.

669
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 4: Son, not even a boyfriend.

670
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: She's a single mother to a man child, ten year

671
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: old and a thirty three year old.

672
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: It's just it's unpleasant. Yeah.

673
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 2: In any case, Jennifer and her son are there and

674
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: they bring donuts to Whitey. This is something she does regularly,

675
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: and Davy is like, you know, noticing her and sexually

676
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: harassing her and insulting her son. But then he realizes

677
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: that he knows her because they went to school together

678
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: and they used to be friends. But he's been an

679
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: asshole for the past twenty years and so he probably

680
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have a chance with her. Just kidding. Jennifer is

681
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Davy's love.

682
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Interest I for some reason, I mean not that I mean,

683
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: I like, there's never a point in the movie where

684
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm on Davy's side, but it like make me extra

685
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: angry that he didn't even recognize her. I was like,

686
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: she like of all of the like he didn't even

687
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: remember who she was his best friend from childhood.

688
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: Like that's it makes no sense.

689
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: They dated, like they were like tween boyfriend girlfriend, you

690
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: had a little kiss in the flashback.

691
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: You would recognize that person. It doesn't matter how different

692
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 3: they look, you would recognize them.

693
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: That's like he's just too busy bullying her son, like

694
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 5: he loves bullying children.

695
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: That I found that like so wildly off putting, Like

696
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: on top of everything else. I was like if I

697
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: if my childhood sweetheart didn't recognize me, I would be

698
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: like fuck this guy, Like I know.

699
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Also worth noting that Jennifer and her son are seem

700
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: to be the only other two Jewish characters besides Davy

701
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: in the story, because Benjamin is describing the Hanuka give

702
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: he has received so far, so it's established that Jennifer

703
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: is also Jewish. So then Whitey takes Davy home, but

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: gets stuck in the snow outside Davy's house and Davy

705
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: doesn't care or do anything to help, So Whitey's just

706
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: like out there for hours until he gets unstuck with

707
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: the help of some plot deer that keep showing up.

708
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 6: The deer also played by Adam Sandler.

709
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so when they.

710
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 6: Go that's important.

711
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: That's Adam Taylor's voice.

712
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: Another fun fact.

713
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: From Scholgarly Journal Wikipedia is that in the test screenings

714
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: of this, Whitey's voice was originally even more high pitched

715
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: and they brought it down, and that Sandler was begged

716
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: to remove some of the deer shitting jokes, but he

717
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: was like, that's a bridge too far.

718
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: I will not.

719
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: I'm keeping them, all of them, all of them, all,

720
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: forty of them. I think though you honestly see deer

721
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: shitting on screen more than you hear Jennifer speak.

722
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: I think that's accurate.

723
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 4: Anyways, this movie wrong.

724
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: So in Davy's house, he is drinking and also looking

725
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: at a picture of his parents, who are implied to

726
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: have died. Then Whitey finally gets home and we meet

727
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: his sister, Eleanor, who he lives with. Eleanor is also

728
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: voiced by Adam Sandler and we'll talk more about Eleanor.

729
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: But then we get voiceover narration that says that Whitey

730
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: tends to do odd jobs around town to make ends meet.

731
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: The next day we see him doing this type of work,

732
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: which includes cleaning out some port of Davy is there

733
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: puking in one of the porta potties, and he comes

734
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: out and then he shoves Whitey into one of the

735
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: stalls and pushes it down a hill. So now sewage

736
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: gets all over Whitey.

737
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: And that's I think we can all agree. That's a

738
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: technical owl.

739
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: That's a technical that's a technical fowl. That's comedy, baby,

740
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: you know. That's does hilarious jokes and we love it.

741
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: And then Davy sprays him with a hose which freezes

742
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: because it's winter in New Hampshire. And then the deer

743
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: help Whitey again by licking the shit ice off of him,

744
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: and we're just like, why is this movie like this.

745
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: It's also implied that he gets like sort of a blowhop.

746
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: Dear o sorrow.

747
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's referenced in a one off joke Crazy.

748
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: Day licked my balls or whatever.

749
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: This is.

750
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: This is a movie for ten year old boys.

751
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: That night, Davy Whitey and Benjamin Jenniferson are at the

752
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: basketball courts where a few adult men are playing pickup,

753
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: and Davy's like, I could beat all you guys at basketball.

754
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: Oh this pissed me off. This pissed me off.

755
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: When it's implied that he does nothing but drink beer

756
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: and then he's shirtless and like ripped, I was like,

757
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: this is this is ego gone wild? This character canonically

758
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 3: and this is not a judgment, but it just felt

759
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: like Adam Sandler being like, oh my cartoon avatar has

760
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: to be hot ripped. Like yeah, it just it felt

761
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: like it was an email.

762
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: Also, I formed a theory in this scene where I

763
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I wonder if the reason this is

764
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: animated is because Adam Sandler wants to be portrayed as

765
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: being way better at basketball than he normally is. But

766
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: then I saw some clips of him playing basketball. I

767
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: he seems all right. I guess he could probably have

768
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: done it live.

769
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 3: ASHI played those at those like famous oh my gosh,

770
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: what am I thinking? Those famous Gary Shandling basketball games.

771
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: He was like a common attender. I know that he

772
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: really likes basketball. I think that this is only animated

773
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: because he was trying to which again like doesn't worry.

774
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: It was trying to.

775
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: Like visually parody old animated Christmas Specials. But I don't

776
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: know where the thirty four million dollars went here because the.

777
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: Mouths don't even move. It's just I don't know.

778
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 5: And did it look to you like the old Christmas

779
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: Specials animated example, Yeah, I didn't get that feel like

780
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 5: the the the animation style didn't feel like it was

781
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 5: connected to a specific era and was like in conversation

782
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 5: with that era if you welcome, right.

783
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like it was like referencing anything in particular,

784
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: which I guess I find somewhat explained by the fact

785
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: that like ten animation studios ended up working on this,

786
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: so I don't know like what was going on behind

787
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: the scenes, but like.

788
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: There's no there's no cohesive creative vision going on here.

789
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. It kind of reminds me of Sausage Party, which

790
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: also had a lot of like animation stuff going on, and.

791
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: I was like they were like breaking union, like they

792
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: were crossing picket lines to do Sausage Party.

793
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: It's awesome, Yeah, worth it?

794
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Okay, So Davy is like I can beat

795
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: all you guys a basketball. So he plays two on

796
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: two first with Whitey, who gets immediately injured, and it's

797
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: supposed to be a hilarious.

798
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 4: Joke technical foul.

799
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: It was a technical foul. Then Davey plays with Benjamin

800
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: as his teammate and they win. We'll talk more about

801
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: that in the discussion, but I'll just breeze right past

802
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: all the fat phobia inherent in this scene. But Jennifer

803
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: then comes by to pick Benjamin up up and she

804
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: sees Davy and her son playing together, and she's like hmm.

805
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: But then she's also like mmmmm, yeah, because she hates Davy,

806
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: but also maybe she's starting to like him.

807
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want my kid around Davy, to be perfectly honest,

808
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: he's a bad guy, yes, And then anytime she's like, hey,

809
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: get away from my kid. You're a bad guy, he's like,

810
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: what do you mean by that?

811
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: He spent the beginning of the movie bullying other children

812
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: and then also bullied.

813
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 10: Yeah.

814
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 5: Right, Like it's very reasonable for her to be like,

815
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 5: based on my past experiences with you, I don't think

816
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: that you'll treat my son well, you know, Like that

817
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 5: seems like a very normal Jennifer, that's very normal.

818
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: Right, She's got to do it, She's got to do

819
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, like Adam Saylor is standing next to an

820
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: unconscious old man and is like.

821
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: What is wrong with me? And it's like, dude. Anyways.

822
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: Then there's another song where Davy and Jennifer reminisced about

823
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: their youth. There's a whole flashback sequence. They used to

824
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: be friends and like young lovers as tweens, and but

825
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: obviously everything has changed. Then Davy comes home to discover

826
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: that the men that he had just beaten at basketball

827
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: are lighting his house on fire. So now his home

828
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: is gone, and Whitey offers Davy to let him stay

829
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: with him and his sister Eleanor.

830
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: Things get very dark in the back half of this movie.

831
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: The most and this is like not the most, the

832
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: most depressing thing is yet to come, which I was

833
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: truly shocked by.

834
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then Davey comes to stay with them for

835
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: a while, and this is where we get the it's a.

836
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: Technical foul motivated by anything. No, it's just like farting.

837
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: Yet that that's a technical foul, Like it's just this

838
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: in my mind, technical foul is half the run time

839
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: of this movie, it.

840
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 4: Just felt like it would not stop.

841
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: It goes on so long. Yeah, it's basically just Whitey

842
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: explaining the rules that Davey has to follow because he's

843
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: so disrespectful. And it seems to actually kind of work,

844
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: because the next time we see Davy, he is behaving

845
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: a little bit more respectfully. He seems to be like

846
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: kinder and more sensitive.

847
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: Kind of like that's what worked on him. The song

848
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: is technically.

849
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't make sense. But then sometime passes and

850
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: I think it is now the eighth day of Hanukkah,

851
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: and now you're realizing, oh, this movie is called Eight

852
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: Crazy Nights. You have an expectation that it's going to

853
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: be about eight crazy nights, and yet most of it

854
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: happens off screen, and none of the nights are actually

855
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: crazy quote unquote.

856
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: And so a couple of like vaguely eventful days. But

857
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: because this, like because the main character doesn't celebrate Hanukkah

858
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: anymore for a reason, where about to learn? And because

859
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like anyone except Jennifer and Benjamin celebrate Hanukkah,

860
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: and we never see them celebrate Hannakah because we don't

861
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: care about them. The fact that it's Hanakkah is very

862
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: easy to forget because you only see Christmas decorations and

863
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: no one is celebrating Hankah.

864
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 5: So I saw because I went deep down a rabbit

865
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 5: hole reading like reviews from that time, and then I

866
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: ended up on like a Reddit talking about this movie,

867
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: and somebody from many years ago wrote in that this

868
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: was their favorite movie to watch during the Christmas season

869
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 5: and it just really exemplified Christmas.

870
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 6: For them, which I thought was just a really great point. Like,

871
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 6: it doesn't it's not a Hanukkah movie. I don't know

872
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 6: what to say. It's not.

873
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 5: There's no Ronica's not present. It's not a character in

874
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 5: the movie. It's not it's just not there.

875
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: It's a whole movie about why this one character no

876
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: longer celebrates Hanukkah due to brutal childhood trauma, which is

877
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: a story, but not really a Hanakah story.

878
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So we are now at the eighth day

879
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: of Hanukkah. Davy is hanging out with Whitey and Eleanor

880
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: and white He tells the story of how Davy learned

881
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: that his parents had been killed in a car accident

882
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: when he was a kid. Like twenty years prior, and

883
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: this grief and traumatic loss is what has made Davy

884
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: so horrible to everyone around him.

885
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: I was not prepared for something that heavy that the

886
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: movie is, like, you know, the second you learn that

887
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 3: his parents died in this horrible way, you're like, well,

888
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: this movie isn't equipped to have this conversation remotely.

889
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 4: Why even try?

890
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, I was like, wow, it's a dark

891
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: turn at the very end.

892
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they put it in. I mean it

893
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 5: felt to me very strongly like they put it in

894
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 5: there just to be like and that, uh, that excuses

895
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 5: every single thing he's ever.

896
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 6: Done so far. Right, You're right, that's the solution.

897
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 5: And it's just you know, I used to teach it

898
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: at preschool and we used I mean we used to

899
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 5: say a.

900
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 6: Lot of like that may explain the behavior, but it.

901
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 5: Does not excuse it. And I feel like that phrase

902
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 5: works really well here for Davy, Like that might give

903
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 5: some explanation for why he's he acts like an asshole,

904
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: but like, ultimately it's on him to still be a

905
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: good person in the world, right, Like, we still participate,

906
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: we live in a society, Davy, Like, come on, get

907
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: it together. You can't just put people import of bodies

908
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: and throw them off a cliff, like, we don't do that.

909
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: It won't bring your parents back. Davy, to throw an

910
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: old man off a cliff.

911
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's the lesson he learns by the end.

912
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 4: I guess that's what he learns by the end.

913
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have thrown that old man off of a cliff. Okay, girlfriend, please, son, please,

914
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: I learned to my lesson.

915
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: Where's my reward?

916
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: Where's my reward in the form of a human woman

917
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: who I now get to claim as my property anyway? Okay.

918
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: The reminder of this story about the loss of his

919
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: parents sets Davy off. He lashes out at Whitey and

920
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: Eleanor and he storms off. He gets drunk again and

921
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: then breaks into the mall because ninety percent of this

922
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: movie either takes place at the mall or at a

923
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: youth basketball game. And he goes to the mall and

924
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: he's there to try to talk to Jennifer at Dunkin Donuts,

925
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: but it's like very clearly after hours and no one

926
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: is there, and he just like breaks in and he's

927
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: belligerently screaming into the void until all of the stores

928
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: in the Mall come to life, question.

929
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 7: Mark really interesting, you know, And then they sing to

930
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 7: Davy and they tell him to cry and to let

931
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 7: it all out because he has never dealt with his

932
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 7: grief over the loss of his parents in a way

933
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 7: that is like healthy or effective or anything like that,

934
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 7: and he's really didn't to cry.

935
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be amazing if that message came from a

936
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: character we've met before and not.

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Some weird like foot Locker animated like hallucination or something like.

938
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: I know we could talk about this in the discussion too,

939
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: but like you can't even get away from the misogyny

940
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: in the mall.

941
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: Like it's Tyra Banks as an.

942
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 3: Empty dress which from Victoria's Secret that still gets sexually

943
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: harassed by a jar of vitamins or like protein powder

944
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: oh from Chance, Yeah yeah, Tyra Banks as an empty

945
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: dress that is still getting hit on really sums up

946
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: the movie's views on women to me.

947
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 5: And I love again that you were saying that he didn't.

948
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 5: It wasn't like he was sponsored by this movie. He

949
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 5: was just like what if corporate? What if like the

950
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 5: embodiment of corporations told me how to have feelings?

951
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: It's so good that, like I became all the more

952
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: confused by this movie when it when I found out

953
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: that he was like sort of doing something like illegal

954
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: by having done that, because you're supposed to get the

955
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: consent of but it's really weird.

956
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 4: I don't know. But yeah, they're like, well, okay, we've

957
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: introduced five thousand characters for some reason, but at the

958
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 4: emotional peak of the movie, let's have none of them

959
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: there and it'll just be logos from the mall.

960
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Awesome, good storytelling.

961
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

962
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 2: Anyway, so they're telling him to let it all out

963
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: and to open up about his feelings, and he's reluctant

964
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: to do so, but then he opens the Hanaka card

965
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: that his parents wrote for him and that he received

966
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: the night that they died, and he finally cries. And

967
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: then some cops come into the mall because he's broken in,

968
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, trespassing, and they're about to

969
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: arrest him, but Davy escapes and he gets on a

970
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: bus to New York City. Ever heard of it? But

971
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: then he has a change of heart and heads to

972
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: the youth league basketball banquet, the one where Whitey hopes

973
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: to win the All Star patch.

974
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, right, that plotline, still rooting for him, and.

975
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: He does this because Davy wants to apologize to Whitey

976
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: for his behavior. And then we cut to the banquet.

977
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Whitey does not win the patch, so he is devastated.

978
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: It goes to sub guy voiced by John Lovetz. I think, yeah, sure,

979
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: So Whitey and Eleanor leave because Whitey is so upset

980
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: that he didn't win. And then Davey comes into the

981
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: banquet and the cops are right behind him and they

982
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: arrest Davy, but before they take him away, he makes

983
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: this impassioned speech via song about how Whitey should have

984
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: won the patch because he does so much for the

985
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: community and no one appreciates him. But Whitey cares about people,

986
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: and Davey regrets it's being so cruel to him. And

987
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: this is where I just like basically zoned out, and

988
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: I didn't write the rest of the recap because I

989
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: was just like my brain turned to mush. But basically

990
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: I think what happens. So everyone goes back to the

991
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: mall and.

992
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 4: But their mouths are they're lockdobs.

993
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: Okay, First, first, it's just Whitey and Eleanor at the mall,

994
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: and Whitey is crying because everyone in town thinks he's

995
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: a joke and I didn't vote for him for the patch.

996
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: But then Davy and the whole rest of the town

997
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: show up, and the mayor is like, here, Whitey, here's

998
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: the patch after all. And then everyone who had previously

999
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: won the patch from the past thirty five years also

1000
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, Whitey, here's my patch because you're the

1001
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: best guy in town. And then there's like a moment

1002
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: where Davy and Jennifer like kind of reconnect, and that's

1003
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: the end of the movie. Yay, So let's take another

1004
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: quick break and we'll come back to.

1005
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: Discuss, and we're back. My first, I'd like to open

1006
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: the conversation by saying, why isn't David Spade in this movie?

1007
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 4: Were they fighting?

1008
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 2: Wow?

1009
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: I feel like he's.

1010
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: The one, you know, Sandler verse guy who who's not

1011
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: popping up. True, that's all the thoughts I have in

1012
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 3: the movie.

1013
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: Everyone else, take it away, Yeah, take it away. Episode.

1014
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: I guess the context for this movie. I couldn't find

1015
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: a whole lot on the development of it. But the title,

1016
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: as we've referenced, is taken from the line of the

1017
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Honkkah song that Adam Sandler wrote and performed and so

1018
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: that's they were like, Hey, there's a line in the

1019
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: song it says eight crazy nights if that was a

1020
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: movie where most of the nights take place off screen

1021
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: and the ones we do see are pretty tame.

1022
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they've they've built SNL spin off movies on less,

1023
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: so that's not even disqualifying.

1024
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, necessarily right, but uh, it just like is a

1025
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: bummer that one of the few American movies that centers

1026
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: a Jewish holiday is like also one of the worst

1027
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: movies ever made.

1028
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: And also not about the holiday that it's advertising that

1029
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: it's about, right, Yeah, Alex, Alex, what was it like

1030
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: for you to, uh to revisit this this gem?

1031
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 5: Well, well so again, I think I said to Caitlin

1032
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 5: before we started, it is really something to watch a

1033
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 5: purported comedy just in complete silence, Like Jake and I

1034
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 5: were sitting I were sitting there.

1035
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 6: We just sat there like the whole time.

1036
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 5: Like, I don't think either of us laughed at anything

1037
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 5: pertaining to the movie. I think during the corporate day scene,

1038
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 5: I might have just blacked out, Like I almost don't

1039
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 5: remember it at all because I was just like, what

1040
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 5: is happening here? Yeah, utterly bizarre.

1041
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 6: I you know, the message of Honicah is really it's you.

1042
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 5: Know about the I mean every I don't want to

1043
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 5: speak for every disperson, but I feel like there are

1044
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 5: a lot of different ways that you can interpret it

1045
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 5: and talk about it, and none of them were present

1046
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 5: in this movie.

1047
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 6: I don't even think we ever saw a minora being

1048
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 6: lit at all.

1049
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1050
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: And again, as you said, it wasn't eight crazy nights.

1051
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: It was eight mostly during the days, and nothing to

1052
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 5: do with Hankah really, and we're in New Hampshire.

1053
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it just felt I mean like I feel

1054
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: like because yeah, I was also had a hard time

1055
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: finding any sort of meaningful background on this. But given

1056
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: the number of like credited writers and credited animation companies.

1057
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 4: I feel like it's it's safe to say that.

1058
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 3: Maybe this was coherent at one point being generous, but

1059
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: it definitely did not like end that way.

1060
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

1061
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: It seems like Adam Sandler was really you know, like, no,

1062
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: we will not like he had a lot of creative

1063
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: control to the point where he could be like, you

1064
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: cannot take out the deer shitting scenes, so like, I

1065
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know what to make of this.

1066
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: It's like it's so bad and like you were saying earlier, Alex,

1067
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: like is just sort of like this charcutory board of

1068
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: like offensive early two thousands jokes where we have not

1069
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: one but two characters that are strictly there to be

1070
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: fat shamed, one child, one adult, incredible variety. The callback

1071
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: with we didn't I don't think this came up in

1072
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: the recap because it has no bearing on the.

1073
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 4: Plot, But there's a child who.

1074
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 3: Just like Adam Sandler's fat shaming, who is crying, and

1075
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: I feel like that plays into bullying and also plays

1076
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: into like tropes around bad people being really sensitive I guess,

1077
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: and like overly emotional. And then we cut to like

1078
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: a joke of like he Adam Sandler's like, kid, you

1079
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: gotta get a bra, like just middle school bullying as a.

1080
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: Thirty three year old character.

1081
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then when we go to Victoria's secret apparently

1082
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: against Victoria's secrets, Will not that that's a great company,

1083
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: but it's just so weird that he didn't ask. But

1084
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: then we see like that kid trying on. It's a

1085
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: very like incoherent joke.

1086
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only are the jokes incredibly problematic and reductive

1087
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 2: and punching down to marginalize people. They often don't make

1088
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: sense and are very sad.

1089
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: And then it never comes back, which is not like,

1090
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: oh I wish there was a third beat of that joke,

1091
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: but like it's still You're like, why is why is

1092
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: any of it here?

1093
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 4: I don't know right.

1094
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: Similarly, the adult who is relentlessly fat shamed is shown

1095
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: on screen. The brief moment that he's on screen, he's

1096
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: depicted as being like very uncoordinated and clueless, and then

1097
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: the losing players of the two on two game have

1098
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: to eat his jockstrap because that is like the worst

1099
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: punishment conceivable, You have to eat a fat person's undergarment.

1100
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: Like, but it's also like that should be true if

1101
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: anyone's undergarded.

1102
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: That shouldn't for.

1103
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: The punishment for anybody, Like body type should not be

1104
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: a factor in why you wouldn't want to do that.

1105
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 4: They're like, well, if it was.

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: If it was like a guy, I would need to

1107
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: cuss jockstrap if it was his, if he had a

1108
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 3: different body type.

1109
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: Well that's the joke. It's just like it's especially gross

1110
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: because it belongs to a fat person. So it's just

1111
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: like nonsensical jokes like that. There's, as we referenced already,

1112
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: the anti Asian racism in a care who works at

1113
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: a Chinese restaurant who is voiced by Rob Schneider doing.

1114
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: His definitely not the only time Rob Schneider's done this,

1115
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: I cannot I could pull a second example out of

1116
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: my head, but I know he's done this before.

1117
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 7: We know.

1118
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: We talked about this on I think it was our

1119
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: fifty First Dates episode. There are like the whole pieces

1120
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: written about the long list of often anti Asian racist

1121
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: jokes and characters that he does in movies like I

1122
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry is an example. He

1123
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: does it in fifty First Day, every movie, it's almost

1124
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: every movie he's in, honestly, So he's just doing another

1125
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: example of it in Eight Crazy Nights. And then there

1126
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: are a whole slew of ableist jokes that are directed

1127
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: toward Whitey and Eleanor.

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Speaker 5: I have a real problem with how they treated Eleanor

1129
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 5: in the movie. I mean it just it starts bad

1130
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 5: and then it gets so much worse. And then the

1131
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 5: thing with the like she her hair is a wig,

1132
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 5: and that's a big funny joke for a while that

1133
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 5: she loses her wig, and it just felt like everything

1134
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: they were doing to Whitey but made it worse because

1135
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: she's a woman, you know what I mean, Like they're

1136
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 5: like it's already bad. And then we added in a

1137
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 5: lot of misogyny too.

1138
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: Because they seem to have they're like fraternal twins, they

1139
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: seem to have been born with the same physical disability,

1140
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: and so there's a ton of ablest jokes made about them.

1141
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: But like you said, yeah, it's even the offensive jokes

1142
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: that are leveled at Eleanor are even more so because

1143
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: she is a woman and she's like voiced with this

1144
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: very like shrill, annoying voice that Adam Sandler is doing

1145
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: that's like very intentionally annoying.

1146
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 4: And apparently could have been worse, which is so wild.

1147
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then for those two characters, the character design

1148
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: is way more cartoonish than every single other character. Every

1149
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: single other character you see at least resemble like human people,

1150
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: But for these two characters, Whitey and Eleanor, they're very

1151
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: very very cartoonish looking, like they they don't resemble human

1152
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: beings the way that humans look. So it's just another

1153
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: way that the movie doesn't take them seriously, that the

1154
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: movie is disparaging toward these people. And then meanwhile, like Davy,

1155
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: as we said, has like chiseled pecks and abs, and

1156
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: it's like, give.

1157
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 3: Me a bit break doesn't make Yeah, that's I feel

1158
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: like that's an Adam Sandler email, like hold on, hold on,

1159
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: make me way.

1160
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's a loser, but he's got to be sexy

1161
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 10: because he looks like me, Like, I don't know, I

1162
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 10: don't know how much creative control should one person be.

1163
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 9: Permitted to have, do your dumb man, this guy would

1164
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 9: not have chiseled abs like and the fact that like

1165
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 9: that is sort of used to justify why he's like

1166
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 9: treating other characters so fat phobic, like is well.

1167
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 3: Because he's got You're like that doesn't make narrative sense

1168
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: given his the only.

1169
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: Thing we see him consume the entire movie is.

1170
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: Beer anyways, right, I don't even know? And yeah, I

1171
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: mean going back to Eleanor a little bit, I mean

1172
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: I just found it. Really I felt like she was

1173
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: treated I mean, she's treated horrifically, but it also felt

1174
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: like she was like they were leaning on like Jewish

1175
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: stereotypes with her, but her character was. It was very unclear.

1176
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 3: I mean, not that it would make it okay either way,

1177
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: but I was like, I'm pretty sure we were told

1178
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the movie this character isn't Jewish,

1179
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: and then they layer all of these horrible stereotypes on her.

1180
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: It's just like another thing where it's like both offensive

1181
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: and confusing.

1182
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 5: He's doing it like a stereotypical Jewish old lady voice,

1183
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 5: and like we picked up on that right away when

1184
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 5: I was watching it. I was like, that's so weird

1185
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 5: because like, again, they're not they're not Jews away.

1186
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: Right, like the first thing we learned about those, right

1187
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: And like you said, like even if they were Jewish characters,

1188
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: to then lean into that stereotype is just lazy and reductive.

1189
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 4: Problematic and confusing. Every joke in this movie.

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised that, I mean, are we ready

1191
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 5: to talk about We're ready.

1192
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 6: To talk to Jennifer.

1193
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: Let's let's do it.

1194
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised that Jennifer didn't seem to fulfill

1195
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 5: any Jewish like women's stereotypes. Really, I mean, in all

1196
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 5: of that, I'm saying it as if it's a compliment,

1197
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 5: but also as I angrily texted Jamie, we know like

1198
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 5: six facts about Jennifer, Like, what do we really know

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 5: about Jennifer. She's not a well defined character. She's a woman,

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01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 5: she's a brunette.

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: She's a mom, she works at Dunkin Donuts, she's Jewish,

1202
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: she's generous.

1203
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's a nice person.

1204
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: And she doesn't put up with Davy's shit a lot

1205
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: of the time. And until that very it makes you

1206
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: wonder why she's willing to like get with him, because

1207
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: has he redeemed himself because he's so irredeemable that like

1208
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 2: he doesn't do enough.

1209
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: I think No, it's she's treated as a trophy at

1210
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: the end, I mean, which I think has made pretty explicit.

1211
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: By how like and they make eleanor do it where it's.

1212
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: Like, if you guys don't, Kish shall kick you in

1213
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: the teeth.

1214
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: And then Jennifer is like, yep, makes sense. I guess.

1215
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 4: I guess you're my son now too. You're like Jesus, come.

1216
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 5: You know, honestly, Then I'm going to retract my previous

1217
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 5: statement that it was nice that she wasn't treated with

1218
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 5: Jewish stereotypes, because the reason they probably didn't imbue her

1219
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 5: with Jewish stereotypes is because she was a trophy at

1220
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 5: the end, right, Like a lot in a lot of

1221
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 5: movies like that, the Jewish woman character really does only

1222
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 5: exist to be sort of mocked in a number of

1223
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: different a variety of different fun ways. And so I

1224
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 5: feel like you can you can have one or the other.

1225
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 5: But Adam Sandler would not want his prize to be

1226
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, mired in Jewish stereotypes, right, like

1227
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 5: he would he would separate those two out.

1228
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: It's very bleak, right, especially because the like the woman

1229
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: trophy in so many movies is like very waspy. Everything

1230
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: is bad in the movie.

1231
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: It's like where does ivid?

1232
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, the I guess I don't have anything to say

1233
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: about the Dead Parents except like, what a wildly serious

1234
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: plot point to deploy with like ten minutes left in

1235
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: the movie. But yeah, I think, like Alex you said

1236
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: it perfectly earlier, where it's like it's that is presented

1237
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: as a justification for all of his behavior, which obviously

1238
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: it isn't, and then when he makes the smallest bit

1239
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: of progress as a person, he's immediately given trophy. Jennifer

1240
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: who like stands up for him kind of in a

1241
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: weird vacuum. I think it's like the only real justification

1242
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 3: is like they have a connection from the past and

1243
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: she's nice. There's also oh gosh, I want to take

1244
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: sure I mentioned that there's also just like a again

1245
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: like expectedly bad presentation of an unhoused person in this too, yes,

1246
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 3: where like I don't even want to get it, but

1247
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: it's like all of the stereotypes you would expect are present,

1248
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: and it's again a character that doesn't do anything except

1249
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: be there.

1250
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: So it's like they just either to be made fun of.

1251
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, the same as you know, mister Chang and

1252
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: like yeah, they're just like oh yeah, these are like

1253
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: this is the joke we always make in the Adam

1254
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 3: Sandler movie, so we have to make it here too,

1255
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: and it's just like lazy and bad what else.

1256
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: They're similarly a very brief but noticeable transphobic joke in

1257
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: one of the songs in Songs song Form emblematic of

1258
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: the type of stuff that this movie thinks is funny.

1259
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: The protein powder hits on the victorious decrodrazy. You're just

1260
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: at the point you're like, all right, I'm just like

1261
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: I've I've stopped.

1262
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: Feeling I didn't even write that down because I had

1263
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: like checked out so hard at that point that I

1264
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: was like, I can't My brain is mush, I can't even.

1265
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: It's honestly like, yeah, listeners, let us know if we've

1266
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 3: forgotten anything, because I found it so hard to lock

1267
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: in on this movie, and I kept pausing it to be.

1268
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, we'll do an earlier point.

1269
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: Like It's one thing. If there is a character who

1270
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: hasn't properly dealt with grief, who is like turning to

1271
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: substance use to cope, and who like with the help

1272
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 2: of their community perhaps is able to like turn things

1273
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: around and deal with things in a healthier way. There's

1274
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: a lot of movies about that. Also. I was thinking

1275
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: about how there's like a whole subgenre of movies about

1276
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: a like down on his luck man, often someone who

1277
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: is like dealing with alcoholism, who is either by like

1278
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: community service, like is sentenced to community service, or something

1279
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: that he has to coach a like youth team. Yeah,

1280
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: there are so many movies to this effect. I'm starting

1281
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: a lit boxed list, and so far I have. There's

1282
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: a movie, there's a Ben Affleck movie called The Way Back.

1283
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: I think Hoosiers has this premise. I want to say,

1284
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: is Mighty Ducks one of them? Yes, Mighty Ducks?

1285
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely a.

1286
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: League of their own. Like it's the Tom Hanks character.

1287
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 4: Okay, that's half like TV pilots too. He's back.

1288
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: So if anyone has any other I know I'm missing

1289
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: so many. Oh there was actually a movie that I

1290
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: was an extra in called The Winning Season starring Sam

1291
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: Rockwell and Emma Roberts, that I think never got a

1292
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: theatrical release.

1293
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 4: But like that sounds like a mad lib.

1294
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm basically the star of it as I walk through

1295
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: one cafeteria scene with no speaking role. But it's like, yeah,

1296
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: Sam Rockwell like gets community service and has to coach

1297
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: a girls basketball team. So like, there's just so many

1298
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: movies to this effect, a Crazy Nights being one of them. Anyway,

1299
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: if there's a movie where like it's a similar premise

1300
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: and the character like learns through like the love and

1301
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: companionship of the people around him and that's his arc

1302
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: and that he like treats people better because of it, fine, whatever,

1303
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: Like this is also the premise of many many holiday movies,

1304
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: but like this one is just so half baked in

1305
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: its execution, and the character starts out so irredeemable that

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Speaker 2: you're just like, why do I care? Why am I

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Speaker 2: watching this? It's horrible, it's so tropy. Yeah, and it's

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 2: an absolute mess.

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Speaker 5: I think that his character, like I was saying, a

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Speaker 5: lot of his behavior, I mean, there's no coming back

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Speaker 5: from some of the things he did, Like when you

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 5: throw you know, when you throw an old man off

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 5: a cliff inside a porner body and let him get

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 5: covered in shit, like there's really I mean, there's no redemption.

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Speaker 6: There's no redemption to be how No, And I think

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 6: that even and I think that's probably why they drop

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Speaker 6: the dead parents in at the end. They're like today

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Speaker 6: and it.

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Speaker 5: Just doesn't that doesn't make it better. And I also

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Speaker 5: think that is redeeming himself by saying maybe white he

1321
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 5: should win the Patch Award, Like that's not.

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Speaker 6: Is that redemption? Is that enough? Did he balance the

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Speaker 6: scales of justice? I feel like he did not right.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, but male redemption arcs and

1325
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: stories like this is something we see all the time,

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: where a man will be really awful to people and

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: do things that are arguably irredeemable, but because he does

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 2: one tiny little thing he does not even the bare minimum,

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: He does less than the bare minimum, but still gets

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01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: a redemption arc because culturally we just allow bad male

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: behavior far more than we permit or tolerate any kind

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Speaker 2: of bad behavior from marginalized genders.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like the thresholds for a man's redemption is

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: far lower, and the threshold for punishment of anyone who's

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 3: not a man.

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Speaker 4: Is also a far lower.

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 3: Like, you know, we see women get punished all the

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Speaker 3: time for existing and then like you know, characters like

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 3: this do the most horrific shit possible and then are

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01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 3: nice one time, and then it's like, no.

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Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, here's your woman property after me too.

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Speaker 5: There were all those apologies that came out, and I'm

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 5: thinking in particular of I want to say Mario Batali

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 5: and he was like, I'm sorry I sectually harassed people.

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Speaker 6: Here is a cinnamon role recipe. Everything's good, And it was.

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Speaker 2: Just like, what, Well, that's the thing. Yeah, Like, if

1347
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: you're a white man in society and you do something horrible,

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: you have a shot or redemption.

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Speaker 3: Caitlyn, I keep forgetting to bring this up. I think

1350
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 3: about it every couple of months. I want to do

1351
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 3: a Matreon theme that's like white male O Tour post

1352
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 3: Me Too movie, because there were so many of them

1353
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: that were like, I get it, guys, I get it,

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01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 3: my bad and then it's like the only movie they'll

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: ever make that centers a woman and it makes no sense. Listeners,

1356
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 3: please drop your your Like I've been meaning to make

1357
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: a letterbox list of like Maleo term my b post

1358
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 3: Me Too movies because some are okay, most of them

1359
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: are incoherent and forgettable, but I feel like there was

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01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, we gotta get Brad's in here

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Speaker 3: and like and it.

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Speaker 4: Like doesn't work. I actually think one of the better

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01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 4: ones is The Last Duel. Oh, the Last Duel is

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01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 4: a good example that men.

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Speaker 3: For example, is a that's the Alex Garland post me

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Speaker 3: to movies.

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Speaker 4: There's just a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: It's Bombshell, directed by j Rod.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's that might be bottom of the barrel for me.

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Speaker 3: That movie is dog shit And at the time I

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: was and they tried to kill me.

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Speaker 4: At the time I got called by the newspaper.

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Speaker 3: When I said the Bombshell was like dog shit and

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: bad for women.

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Speaker 4: They're like, what do you mean you hate you hate women, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's exactly what that means there is that it.

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Speaker 2: Does anyone have any other thoughts about Eight Crazy Nights?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think I forget when we last

1379
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Speaker 3: had this conversation, but I do want to just sort

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: of like take a second for us to acknowledge Adam

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Speaker 3: Sandler's politics, which are actually quite relevant to this movie

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Speaker 3: in spite of it not really being about Hanakah.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, So Adam Sandler has a history of

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Speaker 2: having a very pro Israel stance. A couple examples of

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Speaker 2: this seems like a lot of it happened in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: at least publicly, where he was reported as saying, quote,

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Speaker 2: I will always stand with Israel. I can't tolerate people

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Speaker 2: who criticize Israel without walking in their shoes. I hate

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: the lies they spread and their lack of knowledge. I

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Speaker 2: am proud to stand up for the Israelis unquote. And

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Speaker 2: then also in that year, there was this whole thing

1392
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: where the frontman of Pink Floyd Roger Waters, you know,

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: he's a proponent of the BDS movement, he said he

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Speaker 2: would not play shows in Israel. Howard Stern then went

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Speaker 2: on like a long rant about this on his show

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Speaker 2: in October of twenty fifteen, and then Adam Sandler went

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Speaker 2: on The Howard Stern Show and said something to the

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Speaker 2: effect of like, I'm disgusted when they single out Israel.

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Speaker 2: I'm very pro Israel. He goes on to say like

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Speaker 2: he doesn't like it when musicians won't play concerts in Israel,

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: and then he's like, I love what you had to

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Speaker 2: say about it, Howard Stern, which was like some of

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Speaker 2: the most vile, racist, horrible stuff. I don't even want

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Speaker 2: to repeat it, but if anyone's interested in looking that

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: up on their own time, and that's why I was curious, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is you know, nearly ten years ago. Has Adam

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Speaker 2: Sandler's stance changed at all? And it seems like he

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Speaker 2: hasn't said a whole lot about it in the past decade,

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Speaker 2: aside from after October seventh of twenty twenty three, he

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: did post on Instagram saying that I've been heartbroken by

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: the horrendous attacks on Israel. I pray for peace ands

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 2: the safety of innocent Israelis and Palestinians everywhere. So now

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Speaker 2: he's sort of like both sides in it, which is

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Speaker 2: it's a choice. It's a choice, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: he said much about it publicly since.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's a different choice I think than he

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01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 5: had been making in the past. And part of me

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01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 5: wants to the optimistic part of me wants to see

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Speaker 5: that as a sign of progress. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: going from supporting Howard Stern's vile statements that are incredibly

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01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 5: racist to saying Palaestins are also people who deserve safety

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 5: is like, you know, again, that is it's a step.

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Speaker 4: We can call it.

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Speaker 5: Let's just call a step. I don't think it needs

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 5: to be complimented. I don't think it needs to be

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 5: like celebrated. It's just like a hey, so we did

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Speaker 5: do and that's cool, you know. And I think that

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Speaker 5: like a lot of the support for Israel is generational.

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Speaker 5: So Adam Sandler just want to note what generation is

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Speaker 5: he and he's how old is he?

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Speaker 4: Gen X?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's actually been a real shift in like

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Speaker 5: millennials and gen z around Israel. And I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of it is that there's social media and that

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Speaker 5: you can really see the harm that is being done

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Speaker 5: into Palestindian So I think that there's that component of

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Speaker 5: it that younger people are just a little bit more

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 5: in the know about that sort of thing and a

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01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 5: little more involved in that way. So I'm not trying

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Speaker 5: to give him a pass at all, but I am

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Speaker 5: like contextualizing that, like older Jews tend to have stronger

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 5: opinions and stronger support for Israel. Then sure, and again

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: and painting with a very brudbrush, because everybody has their.

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Speaker 2: Own thoughts, of course, of course, yeah, so I guess, yeah,

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 2: unsurprising that he has these various stances over the years.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like what so much of Hollywood is doing,

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: which is just like remaining mostly silent on the.

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01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 4: Matter, right, which which is? Which is? Which is still

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 4: saying something? Which is very.

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Speaker 2: Point to say something, because when a genocide is happening,

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01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: and when a decades long subjugation of an entire population

1452
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: of people is not being acknowledged, that is being complicit

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Speaker 2: and that is very much part of the violence.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm a member of Jewish Voices for Peace, which

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 5: is a nonprofit that's anti Sionist. I feel like that's

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01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 5: important to say, and a big part of Jewish Voices

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 5: for Peace is talking about how so many Jews have

1458
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 5: just like a deep understanding of what state sanctioned violence

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01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 5: looks like and what a genocide looks like, because this

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Speaker 5: is unfortunately, a big part of our history, from programs

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Speaker 5: to blood libel claims and so much more all the way,

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Speaker 5: including the Holocaust. And I mean Jews, I feel like,

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Speaker 5: unfortunately are uniquely qualified to say this is a genocide.

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Speaker 5: And that's where Jewis Voices for Peace really comes into plays,

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01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 5: saying like we can see what we can call it

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01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 5: for what it is, like, we see what's happening, and

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 5: that is I think what is so heartbreaking to be

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Speaker 5: a Jewish person watching this happen is that, like, I

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Speaker 5: know what this is. I am familiar with the name.

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Speaker 5: I'm familiar with what a genocide is, and to see

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Speaker 5: it be perpetrated by people who call themselves Jewish like

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Speaker 5: me is just it's it's deeply heartbreaking.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I have felt so like heartened bias

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01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: seeing work like the La branch of Jewish Voices for

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01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: Peace is wonderful.

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Speaker 4: I've been going to a lot of events.

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Speaker 3: Actually, one of our previous guests on the show, Sammerfera,

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01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 3: recently did an event with writers against the war on

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01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 3: Gaza out here, and like it does feel, and I

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Speaker 3: just like I've been tremendously educated by groups like these,

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 3: and particularly by Palestinian writers, and I am glad for

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01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 3: like and younger generations that there has been such movement

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 3: because we have, you know, flawed tools, but tools to

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01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 3: be able to better understand that makes the propaganda less

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 3: powerful kind of, I guess taking it back to Adam Sandler,

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Speaker 3: I've the silence. I don't know, It's like, again, everyone

1488
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 3: is on an individual journey. Who knows how his kids feeled.

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Speaker 3: I know that there's a lot of families that are

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01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: fractured by younger generations being against Israel, you know, But

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Speaker 3: silence is a business decision is something that I find

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Speaker 3: particularly vile and unsettling because it's like, I don't not

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Speaker 3: particular to Adam Sandler, but it's like there's you can't

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: not have a feeling about it. So the silence is

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 3: just it's it's a very pointed choice.

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Speaker 4: So we don't know, but something.

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Speaker 3: That I have seen just again of how this continues

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Speaker 3: to affect. I mean, obviously we should be centering the

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01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: Palestinian people first and foremost, but as sort of we

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Speaker 3: see these issues continue to be discussed less and less

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Speaker 3: in media. I was really surprised. There's a recent story

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01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: where Gladiator Too just came out I'm going somewhere with this,

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Speaker 3: and there was originally an Egyptian Palestinian actor, I hope

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Speaker 3: I'm saying her name correctly, Mae Kalamawi, who was originally

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01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 3: I believe Paul Mescal's love interest. It's Gladiator, so I'm

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01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 3: sure it wasn't a great part, but like all of

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: her scenes were shot and then her entire part was

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Speaker 3: cut out of the movie in post production, which was

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Speaker 3: taking place after she had been vocally supportive of Palestine

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Speaker 3: because of course she's a Palestinian actor. And just the

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 3: fact that this is still really deeply affecting, particularly Palestinian artists,

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Speaker 3: and it is like becoming less and less and less

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Speaker 3: discussed as time went on.

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Speaker 4: I'm so like surprised. I guess at this point that

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Speaker 4: that is like.

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Speaker 3: Not a story that seems to have broken through in

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Speaker 3: any meaningful way, in spite of the fact that like

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Speaker 3: the movie is out and doing very well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just I mean, it's just indicative of medias of Hollywood's

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: of society's apathy. Yeah, if not outward cruelty and violence

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01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: toward Palestinians, and it's so disheartening, and that's why we

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Speaker 2: must continue.

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Speaker 3: That's why we must talk about eight Crazy Nights on

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Speaker 3: the Betel cast.

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Speaker 2: If it's a vehicle for us to then also talk

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Speaker 2: about Palestinian liberation.

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01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 3: Then yeah, we're also in the in the new year,

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Speaker 3: going to be covering a few Palestinian films as well.

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Speaker 3: Like we want to keep the conversation going. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to talk to you about it because I

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01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: know you're you're involved with Jewish voices for peace and

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: just in general are the best. I've learned so much

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 3: from you. You've You've educated my whole family truly, Yeah about.

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01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 4: What well my brother lived with you.

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01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's trying to radicalize your brother.

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01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 3: And then my dad visited you guys on the stoop

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: during the pandemic and he learned things too.

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01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 4: He was like communist. Alex Is added again.

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01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 5: He called he called me the world's friendliest socialist.

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01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: I think he.

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01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 4: Gave me that feels like an attack on me.

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: As opposed to my daughter, who's the world's bitchiest socialist.

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 4: Because I just say in a really friendly way.

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 6: I'm like, wouldn't that be neat if?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, anyway, thank you for talking with us

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01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: about this, and yeah, does does anyone have anything else

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: they want to talk about?

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01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 3: This movie sucks ass, it's quite bad. And if you

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01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 3: think it's good, considered, did you see it when you

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: were ten? And if not, there's something seriously wrong with you.

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01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 4: This is the time. Usually it's like, you love what

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01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 4: you love.

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01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: If you love this movie, you're sick and need you

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01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: need help?

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01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 5: Oh, we didn't talk about this, but very briefly did

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 5: a woman talk to another woman ever in the course

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01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 5: of the movie.

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01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 6: Because I tried to keep track of that.

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 5: I think that the closest it comes is when Eleanor

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01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 5: tells them to kiss. But she's not just talking to Jennifer.

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01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 5: She's also talking today, she's.

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01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 3: Talking to the royal Yeah, right, the collective we.

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 2: And the context is like, have a heterosexual kiss, please?

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01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

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01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't think it passes the Bechdel test even remotely. Yeah,

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01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 2: Jennifer doesn't have any friends. Also, like if she was

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01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: like on a basketball team with Davey when they were kids,

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01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: Like she's a basketball player, why doesn't like there could

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01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,520
Speaker 2: have easily been a thing where like she's playing basketball

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01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: with her son or shooting hoops or whatever like, but

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01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: the movie doesn't care at all about characterizing her except

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: to have her be like an attractive person that Davy

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01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: can win as a trophy at the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is too bad because they give her like

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01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: some potentially interesting characteristics but have no interest in exploring

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01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 3: any of them, any of her interiority, Like she is

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: just a cardboard cutout at them all, and I will give.

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: It to her that she's kind of the she's one

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01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: of the few people who will call Davy out for

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: his cruel awful behavior light he does it too, But

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01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: that feels.

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 3: Very like attempted feminism of the time, where it's like

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01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 3: they say one thing and then they do another. Because

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01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: she still ends up with them at the end, like

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01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: there's there is no real consequence other than a delay

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Speaker 3: of less than a week, it seems like.

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Speaker 2: Well, also, there's a fine line between a character who

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01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 2: we are not meant to like making reductive and problematic

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 2: remarks to people and the movie framing that as being wrong,

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: And there is some degree of that in this movie,

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01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 2: because he does get called out quite a bit. But

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01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: then the movie also relies on jokes that are like,

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: for example, any time Whitey has a seizure or a

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01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: lot of Whitey's behavior is like the movie making fun

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01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: of him from a very ableist point of view. So

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: even though the Davy character will be called out for

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01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: being ablest, the movie then turns around and makes the

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: same ableist jokes. So it's like, then, then why are

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: you even calling him out? If this is how you

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01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 2: feel about people with disabilities, or if this is how

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01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: you feel about fat people or whatever. So it's just

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01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 2: so disgusting. I'll give the movie zero nipple. I give

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01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 2: the movie negative five nipples.

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Nice the end, I think I will do the same,

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01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 3: and I have nothing else to say about it, like, honestly, yeah,

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01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 3: what about.

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01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 4: You, Alex?

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think negative five feels fair. Can I give

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01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 5: it like negative stars of David too? Maybe like half

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01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 5: a half a star of David? Just because like, where

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01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 5: is the Hanukah? I saw some menorahs in the background.

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01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 5: They were ice sculptures. That's it, basically, So I'm gonna

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01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 5: give it half a star of David.

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01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 6: Hmm, That's all I got.

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01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 3: It's brutal I also, I think, as we've talked through this,

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Speaker 3: I think now that in an earlier draft of the

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01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 3: movie that Whitey and Eleanor were Jewish, and that's why

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01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 3: the ending doesn't make sense. But then they changed it.

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: Why they changed it is anyone's guess, but I would

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01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 3: guess that they added that because they say it's in

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01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 3: that one line that we that unfortunately introduces Whitey where

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 3: he they're like, Whitey, you're.

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01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 4: Not even Jewish. He's like, I know. But so I

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01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 4: don't know why they added that. They could have just

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01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 4: taken it out.

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01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 3: Anyways, I have nothing else to say.

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01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: Well, Alex, thank you so much for joining us for

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01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: this discussion.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.

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01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: Tell us more about your your art and your work

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01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 2: and where people can find you and plug away.

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Speaker 6: Excellent.

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01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Zinnia Socialist Supply Company.

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01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 5: I make radical art stickers, all sorts of stuff like that,

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 5: lots of rent theme stickers as we discussed before, but

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Speaker 5: don't worry, other musical theater stickers as well.

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01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 4: Thank god.

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01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know we got to keep the all.

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01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 4: We need it all.

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 6: So you can find me on there and yeah, yeah, that's.

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01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 2: That you can get our stickers on our merch store.

1644
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: So but the best way to support our show is

1645
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 2: to go to patreon dot com slash Bechdel Cast and

1646
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: subscribe to our Matreon where you get two bonus episodes

1647
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: every single month, plus access to the back catalog. Also,

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01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 2: we have live shows coming up in La San Francisco

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: and Portland, so if you go to link tree slash

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01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: Bechtel Cast, you can grab tickets to those shows. We'd

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01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: love to see you. They as well as some of

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01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: them will be live streamed, so even if you don't

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01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: live in those cities, the La Show and the Portland

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01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 2: show will be live streamed, so you can still watch

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01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 2: those if you grab tickets.

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01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's Alex.

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: We owe you a good movie, so come back with

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01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 3: your favorite movie and we will cover that next.

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01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 6: That sounds amazing.

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01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 3: Come on board, all right, gang, and yeah, with on

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01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: that note, let's.

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01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: This movie has been a technical foul.

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01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 4: Perfect Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: The Bechdelcast is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by Caitlin

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,160
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01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 2: with vocals by Katherine Voskresenski. Our logo and merch is

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Speaker 2: designed by Jamie Loftis and a special thanks to Aristotle Acevedo.

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