1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, Well, he's cooked, serve him up on a 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: platter to the Trump organization. After being forced to admit 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: under oath, Yeah, I stole like tens of thousands of dollars, 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: at least that he's admitting to right now. I think 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: there's probably a pretty good chance he may have stolen 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: more money. They just didn't know exactly which asked which 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: question to ask him about other payments. But he did 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: have to admit under oath that he stole tens of 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars from the Trump organization. This is the 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: same witness that they are telling you the jury. You 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: gotta trust him. The entire case is around Michael Cohen. 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: How did it happen? Take a listen to this from 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: the transcript from the courtroom. 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir. 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: He also confirms lying to Allan Iselberg. I don't know 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: how many of that is on the list, but that's 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: larceny on they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did steal 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch, 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: and he says, yes, sir. 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: So that's yes, sir. There it is Steve Michael Cohen here. 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: Did you steal from the Trump organization? 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: Yes? 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Asked again, you did steal from the Trump organization, correct, Cohen? 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: So this is just the beginning of what we now 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: know about what he stole. Now, let's put this into perspective, 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: so you understand what Michael Cohen just admitted to stealing 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: money and bezzling money. 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: From the Trump organization where he worked. 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: Is actually, you ready for this a more serious crime 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: than falsifying business records, which is what this woke activists 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: DA is accusing Donald Trump of actually doing. Now, the 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: question is will they go after Michael Cohen. 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And I want you to hear 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: what CNN says about Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization. 99 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble 100 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: cave man. But it seems like it seems like they 101 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 4: should have hit this harder a week ago. 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself, 103 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 5: that's what the jury is except for two lawyers. Jurors 104 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: don't know this stuff and so they need to have it, 105 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 5: you know, really presented to them. And so the fact 106 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 5: that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution, 107 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 5: I think it presents a very good opportunity and closing 108 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 5: for they knew about this, they minimized it the prosecutor 109 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 5: misled this jury. 110 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: That's what I would are. 111 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 4: Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir, oh yeah. 112 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 6: The way this was raised and addressed on direct is 113 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 6: what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean, 114 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 6: here's what Michael hell and here's what Michael Cohen. 115 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 7: Said, explained George Costanzo. 116 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was a lane. It was it 117 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: was to it. 118 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 6: Here's the direct testimony that the way Michael Cohen explained 119 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 6: what happened, it's actually. 120 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 3: A girl that Stanza was dating. 121 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 6: Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote, that's what was owed. 122 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 6: And I didn't feel mister Trump deserved the difference. That's 123 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 6: a lot different than I stole sixty thousand dollars from 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 6: my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case. 125 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 6: And by the way, the fact that he was ever 126 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 6: charged with larsening is important because stealing sixty thousand dollars 127 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 6: through fraud, which would be larceny in New York State, 128 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 6: is more serious of a crime than falsifying business. 129 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 7: This is one of those instances where I'm really looking 130 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 7: forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 7: in there to see I understand, and I take your point, 132 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 7: Laura about all of you really about playing to the jury, 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 7: but also being careful about reading too much into the 134 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 7: reaction of the jury. I think the answer to your 135 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 7: question about whether or not they really did absorb what 136 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 7: the prosecution said last week or two weeks ago will 137 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 7: be has to be noted by their reaction today in 138 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 7: some way, shape or form, don't you think. 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh, 140 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second. 141 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Would they have ever done that if this was switched 142 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: the other way around, that a Republican lied on the stand, 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: they'd be going wall to wall massive and they're like, oh, crap, 144 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: our favorite guy who we've given countless hours of airtime to, 145 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization. 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: And then you have a CNN analyst that says this 147 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: is more serious of a crime than what they're accusing 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump of. It's grand largnity basically, and then saying 149 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: this is like major, go to jail stuff. And yet 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: they didn't charge Michael Cohen with it, and they knew 151 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: it right, They knew it, So how do you kind of, 152 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, soften this for the viewers that hate Trump. 153 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: CNN you talk about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is 154 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: like some sort of Seinfeld episode and you all laugh 155 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: about it. 156 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: You take all that away. 157 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning 158 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization 159 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: and was not charged with that crime. That's the other 160 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: part about this that you need to understand. And I 161 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say 162 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: over at Fox. He's in the courtroom, he's actually in there. 163 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's 164 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen 165 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: to what he said about the jury. 166 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 8: And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen 167 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 8: to admit that he lied, that he had a motive 168 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 8: to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future, 169 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 8: and then they moved on. They spent most of their 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 8: time on pretty esoteric things that I think, in the 171 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 8: final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries 172 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 8: that's what I'll watch. It's the only doll opinions that matter. 173 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 8: They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinteresting, 174 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 8: because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 8: with their hands, Like, come on and get to the 176 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 8: good stuff. What we care about is if you can 177 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 8: show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire 178 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 8: to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 8: back to a conversation that may or may not be 180 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 8: relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind 181 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 8: of mentally saw them doing this a little bit. 182 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 9: So, Trey, if you go back to the original indictment, 183 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 9: the language says with intent to defraud and intent to 184 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 9: commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote 185 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 9: another crime is. You spend a lot of time in 186 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 9: a courtman as a federal prosecutor. Did you ever take 187 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 9: somebody to court when the defense didn't know what crime 188 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 9: that person was committed with. 189 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 8: I would never have taken this matter to court in 190 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 8: the first place. I don't think, I mean defense passed 191 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 8: on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the Fed 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 8: right down the street in the southern disc of New 193 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 8: York took a pass on this. So this is a 194 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 8: political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that. 195 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 8: So the defense team still needs to treat this like 196 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 8: it like it is a prosecution that exposes the former president, 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 8: and they need to treat it like that. There is 198 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 8: a political component to it, for sure, but for these twelve, 199 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 8: if he wants a not guilty verdict, you got to 200 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 8: kind of put that aside. 201 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: Trey Gouty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is 202 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare, 203 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: and the only people they need to make sure I 204 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right, 205 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: is the twelve people in the box, and it needs 206 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey, 207 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald 208 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off 209 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: of it, which he admitted to today. You look at what 210 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: Trey Gowdy said also about this case, and one of 211 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: the things he said about this jury is he said, 212 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: is the jury is going to. 213 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 3: Be looking at Michael Cohen. 214 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: They've got to ask themselves a question, can I trust him? 215 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: They also found out that he's made over four million 216 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: dollars trashing Donald Trump on social media, TikTok payments, books, 217 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: et cetera. So hating Trump has made Michael Cohen over 218 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: four million dollars that obviously has to be brought up 219 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: as well. But listen to the second part of what 220 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: he said. 221 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 9: Just so folks at home get this correct. This is 222 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 9: the way it unfolded. This morning, Tray Cohen testifies on 223 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 9: repayment to a high tech company, Redfinch, for fifty thousand dollars. 224 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 9: Cohen says he repaid Redfinch twenty k. Cohen confirms he 225 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 9: never paid Redfinch the full fifty thousand. Todd Blanche produces 226 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 9: that Cohen stole from the Trump organization. Cohen agrees that 227 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 9: he stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says he left 228 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 9: the Trump organization believing that he had paid back the 229 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 9: fifty thousand dollars to Redfinch. When Trump Organization grows up 230 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 9: coins compensation, he pocketed that money too. Cohen admits to 231 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 9: essentially stealing sixty thousand dollars from the Trump organization. So 232 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 9: he lied to his client, He secretly recorded his client, 233 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 9: and then this morning he admitted that he stole from 234 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 9: his client. What was it like being there watching all 235 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 9: of this unfold? 236 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 8: That wasn't even the most surprising part of the morning. 237 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 8: I mean, yes, it is rare to have a witness 238 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 8: admit yeah, I stole money from one of my clients. 239 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 8: The most amazing part to me is that Michael Cohen 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 8: just spent three hours asking a jury please believe me 241 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 8: when I'm telling you about all my lives. That is 242 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 8: not a good strategy for a witness that wants to 243 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 8: be believed to say, yes, I lied about this, and 244 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 8: I have a financial motive in lying, and I want 245 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 8: to run for Congress. Don't forget about that. He admitted 246 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 8: this morning he wants to run for Congress. He wants 247 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 8: someone to do a documentary on him. But all of 248 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 8: those lives you should just regard because this one time, 249 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 8: this one time, even though I have sworn to get 250 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 8: revenge and it's better cold and hot, please believe me. 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 8: I just would not want to be the prosecutor having 252 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 8: to convince a jury of that. Having said that, the 253 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 8: other big observation this morning is this judge is seemingly 254 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 8: cutting the alegs out from under the trunk defense. If 255 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 8: they're planning on calling an expert to go into what 256 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 8: is involved with efforts to influence an election, the judge said, 257 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 8: I'm not going to let that happen. I don't mind 258 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 8: a high strike zone. I don't mind a low strike zone, 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 8: just being uniform. And I can tell you I went 260 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 8: I came this morning saying, never seen this judge before. 261 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 8: I'll keep an open mind. The reality is the prosecution's 262 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 8: getting every jump ball and the defense ain't getting any 263 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 8: of them. 264 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: I love the way he described it, so Cohen Liede 265 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: he took a bunch of money. And not only did 266 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: he take a bunch of money, he's now saying he 267 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 1: wants to run for Congress and he wants somebody to 268 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: do a documentary and he and he's made over four 269 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: million dollars trashing Donald Trump so far, and then is 270 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: caught stealing, which is a bigger crime than what they've 271 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: accused Donald Trump of doing in this trial, but no 272 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: one's prosecuting him for that, which goes back to CNN. 273 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: They're still reeling right like they can only talk about 274 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: Seinfeld for so long before they have to tell you 275 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: the truth yet again, that this is such a disaster. 276 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: Listen to Jake Tapper. 277 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: Stuff, and I have to say, I'm still kind of 278 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: reeling from the revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from 279 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: the Trump organization, and that wasn't, at least to my knowledge, 280 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: that the prosecution didn't get that get that out earlier, 281 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: because it's not as though the prosecution is going to 282 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: be helped by further evidence that Michael Cohen is a 283 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: shady character. I mean, let's I'll get to the newest 284 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 4: stuff in a second, but like, i mean, what's just 285 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: what's your reaction to that news? 286 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: Because that was just kind of stunning. 287 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 10: I'm shocked that we are hearing it for the first 288 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 10: time on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen, 289 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 10: that the prosecution did not take the sting out, did 290 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 10: not front it, because it goes to the heart of 291 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 10: the actual case. It's not just about establishing him as 292 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 10: a liar. They've done that. The prosecution fronted that. We 293 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 10: knew that he has convictions, but going to the heart 294 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 10: of what you were telling your employer about what money 295 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 10: you were owed and the extent of it. We're talking 296 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 10: about four hundred and twenty thousand dollars. We've already seen 297 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 10: the paper started like fifteen bucks, not afteen bux and 298 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 10: we I mean, if you think are the tablet you 299 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 10: can break down what was already known. We've known about 300 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 10: what the breakdown of the money is. One hundred and 301 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 10: thirty thousand dollars to Daniels and her attorney. 302 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: You got fifty thousand dollars. 303 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 10: It's Redfinch. 304 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: This is important here. 305 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 10: This was mentioned today that he only gave Redfinch twenty 306 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 10: thousand dollars and handed. 307 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: Them in a brown paper bag. 308 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 10: By the way, just the game, that is, And just 309 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 10: one quick note. 310 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: Redfinch is this political organization that apparently, according to Michael Cohen, 311 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: helped them goose these bogus internet polls about which candidate 312 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 4: is in the lead, et cetera, et cetera, and also, 313 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: according to Landy Davis, provided adoring fans for Trump's announcement 314 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: of his candidacy in June twenty fifteenth. 315 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 10: Sorry, really important point to add. Why this is they 316 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 10: only got twenty thousand of it, talking though the bill 317 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 10: was for fifty thousand dollars, and you have one hundred 318 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 10: and eighty thousand dollars, which is again the double of 319 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,479 Speaker 10: these two combinations. 320 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: And then a bonus for Cohen. 321 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 10: Remember all that we have so far to link Donald 322 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 10: Trump to these payments, in part is the statement that 323 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 10: quote unquote he approved it. We also know we have 324 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 10: information about where the checks were, how it was signed. 325 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 10: But remember mcconnie, that was one of the comptrollers of 326 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 10: the Trump organization taking notes from Alan Weiselberg about the 327 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 10: money payment. So this is part of what we're talking about. 328 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 10: Why this is so important here is because the heart 329 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 10: of the matter is that Donald Trump was complicit cause 330 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 10: to have this happen and knew about the money that 331 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 10: was going and why if they can establish Michael Callway 332 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 10: to somebody who is not to be trusted about the 333 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 10: amount of money as well, then they might be able 334 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 10: to suggest that Donald Trump had no idea what he 335 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 10: was saying. 336 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: So I love it. 337 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: They're like having to admit, okay, So there's a good 338 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: chance now that the jury may actually be convinced that 339 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had no idea what this scumbag lawyer was doing, 340 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: including a guy that was stealing from his boss while 341 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: he's claiming, you gotta believe me now, and that's in 342 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: the only ones having a meltdown. By the way, on CNN, 343 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. This is what Flitzerer having 344 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: a conversation about this shock moment. 345 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: Here's what they said on his show. 346 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 11: Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now. So I'm 347 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 11: truly studying moments in the courtroom to be sure. Earlier today, 348 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 11: Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from 349 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 11: Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go 350 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 11: to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him 351 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 11: directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the 352 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 11: Trump War organization, Cohen replying, quote, yes, sir. 353 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: Can you imagine CNN right now, like they're like, holy crap, right, like, 354 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: we got to cover this. This is the same left 355 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: wing media, by the way, that gave all the credit 356 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: billion in the world to Michael Cohen, a guy they 357 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: put on TV twenty four to seven as soon as 358 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: he started trashing Donald Trump, who is a felon and 359 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: a liar. And now they're shocked that this felon and 360 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: liar who they gave credibility to made him famous, have 361 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: have handed him over four million dollars in profits of 362 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: for And don't tell me there's somebody making you can't 363 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: make a living ripping on Donald Trump. This dude went 364 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: like to jail and then made four million dollars, all 365 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: because he hates Donald Trump. All right, let me take 366 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: a moment and talk to you real quick about your 367 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: retirement and inflation and the eroding of the power of 368 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: the dollar. 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I just 407 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 12: don't understand it, and I don't think all of my 408 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 12: colleague and all the people that I worked with in 409 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 12: the DA's office have all said to me, Eric, go 410 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 12: out and talk about this. 411 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 3: You have the experience to address it. 412 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 12: And they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump 413 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 12: or never trumpers have said they're embarrassed by the DA's 414 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 12: office bringing this type of case and is destroyed the 415 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 12: integrity of my old office. 416 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: It has destroyed the integrity of my old office. The 417 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: never Trumper just said they're embarrassed. It's destroying the integrity 418 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: of my old office. Is a former assistant DA in 419 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: this office that brought this case saying we are embarrassed 420 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: by it, as they should be embarrassed by it. But 421 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna let them get away with this because there 422 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: will be nothing that happens to Michael Cohen. 423 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: He stole from the Trump organization. 424 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: And you can see it again go back to what 425 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper said, and Jake Tapper had no problem having 426 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen on's show. This is the reason why I 427 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: can't stand Jake Tapper. He is such a fraud when 428 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: it comes to like and he always walks around like, oh, 429 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm a journalist, like I have integrity. 430 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 3: Dude. 431 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: You put all the people on your show for years 432 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: that were accusing Donald Trump Russian collusion that we're lying 433 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: and you never apologize your audience. You never said you 434 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: regret it. You never said, hey, we misled you or 435 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: lie to you. You guy gave them a platform, and 436 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: then when it comes out it's not true, you're like, 437 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: all right, move on. You gave airtime to Michael Cohen, 438 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: Your network made Michael Cohen famous, and now all of 439 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: a sudden that it comes out that the guy is 440 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: a convicted liar and fraud and then he was defrauding 441 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: the Trump organization. I'm still reeling from this, like what 442 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't see it coming? Like, seriously, you couldn't figure 443 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: this out that a guy that lie lied under before 444 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: and went to jail for lying may have lied about 445 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: other things on your show where you guys were propping 446 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: him up. 447 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: And look, they didn't care. 448 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: The reason why they didn't care was real simple, Okay, 449 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: they didn't care because they wanted it to be true 450 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: because they hated Trump. 451 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: And even if it. 452 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Wasn't true, and they knew it was hurting Trump, that's 453 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: all that mattered. Let's hurt Trump. Donald Trump, as you 454 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: know in this court case, has been put under a 455 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: gag order, so there's a lot that he can say 456 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: and an awful lot that he can't say. He did 457 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: come out in front of the press and I want 458 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: you to hear part of what he said. 459 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 13: So thank you very much saw. 460 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: What we saw. 461 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 13: That's an incredible desplatin to say they want it in 462 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 13: my life. 463 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 14: The tired and everyone's talking about it. 464 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 13: This is what we have gact judge void to judge 465 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 13: by demons, by the club and thinking being allus. This 466 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 13: is a fourth week or fifth wid I campaigning. But 467 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 13: you saw what happened once just took place in that 468 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 13: quarter and hopefully the emotion he dismissed this trial will 469 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 13: go through because this trial is a disaster for our contry. 470 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 15: It's a disaster for New. 471 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 14: York State, newyorga sagy that Greg Jerry just says, where 472 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 14: exactly is the grime to quote a lumber over line 473 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 14: from Shakespeare's Love I don't know. It's a mystery. 474 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 15: There is just no prime. 475 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: Andy McCarthy. 476 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 15: If it's unconstitutional for Texas doing force general Undergradi Olds, 477 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 15: how is it constitutional for New York to enforced federal 478 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 15: electure roll They're going by federal law. 479 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 14: Fever happened because where nobody's ever seen anything like this, 480 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 14: This is a witch children. 481 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: This is a witch children. 482 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 13: This is true Cambridge cricket. 483 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 15: Joe Byen, the worst president of the history of York 484 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 15: gone free by far, by far. 485 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 13: To damage his political abu if that's all. 486 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 14: This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who 487 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 14: just is. 488 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: Something that nobody's in to see it, and the press 489 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: is not happy. 490 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 15: I don't imagine they're just got thrown at him any 491 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 15: one house. 492 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 13: Nobody's ever seen any played by a game. 493 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: No one has ever seen anything quite like it. 494 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: This trial is a disaster for our country, by the way. 495 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: He's right, And remember there's certain things you can't talk 496 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: about about, like you know, Michael Cohen stealing from him 497 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: like that. That's a problem here that he can't talk 498 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: about it because they're not letting him talk about it. 499 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: Even MSNBC. 500 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: They're trying to rehab Michael Cohen right now and saying 501 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: this about Michael Cohen. 502 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 16: I mean, Donnie, we won't know tilts Ober right we 503 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 16: landed with the jury and what didn't and if Michael 504 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 16: Cohen can be undone, if all nineteen days could be undone, 505 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 16: but I it was the twentieth day, Thursday after Toddlande 506 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 16: bombs on his first day, right, cossing Michael conn after 507 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 16: three days a trek. If it could be undone with 508 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 16: one question that one day and then that creates us 509 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 16: no all effect that he followed up on today, then 510 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 16: they probably didn't have a very good case because you 511 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 16: would have to believe then you have to believe that 512 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 16: David Pecker and have Picks and wester Hout and keep 513 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 16: David Simmer all in on it, right, that they were 514 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 16: all in and that that and I actually thought the 515 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 16: moment that Michael Cohen made the whole room crack. I'm 516 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 16: not just a jury but everybody in it, according to transcripts, 517 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 16: because he said, is it better for you Trump, you know, 518 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 16: is convicted or not? 519 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 7: He says, probably better for maybe he's not. 520 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: And I'm still out there paying on it. I mean, 521 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: that's true, like the idea that anyway say it again. 522 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 17: And of course I've watched Michael interact with a lot 523 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 17: of people over the years, and some people who are 524 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 17: fans and some people that are not fans, and he 525 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 17: has this, he has all those rough edges and all 526 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 17: the lies and all this, but there's something compelling about 527 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 17: him at the same. 528 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: Time, you kind of believe it warts and all. 529 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 17: So I don't think you know by the way he's 530 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 17: he's lighting in front of Congress's he's a character, He's 531 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 17: somebody who would be in a. 532 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 3: Moment movie as a fixer or whatnot. That doesn't mean 533 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: you don't believe his story. 534 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 17: And the fact that out of twenty five hours on 535 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 17: the stand there was one moment where he got confused 536 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 17: where they cleaned it up afterwards. I don't think particularly 537 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 17: all the corroboration that's on there, right, And you also 538 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 17: don't have to believe that who's going to pay money 539 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 17: on their own for Richard? 540 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: I love other doing this, like Michael Cohen has all 541 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: those rough edges, this is Zach word and all the lies, 542 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: but there's something compelling about him, so you should believe him. 543 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: This is MSNBC, like, under no circumstances will they just 544 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: tell you? And notice how they didn't mention the real 545 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: lie here, like, Hey, you just brought your witness, the 546 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: guy that you're supposed to trust, who's a convicted liar, 547 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: lied to Congress, who's lied on the stand down multiple times, 548 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: who just admitted to embezzling tens of thousands of dollars 549 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump and has made four million plus hours 550 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: off of ripping on Donald Trump since he's been convicted, 551 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: and says I'll make more money probably if he's not convicted, 552 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: because then I can keep banging on him and then 553 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: they tell you, yeah, I mean, look, I know he's 554 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: rough around the edges, but I mean he's a compelling guy. 555 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: I don't know what world they're living in. 556 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: But when MSNBC's trying to spin it this way, like, well, 557 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: but he's I mean, he's rough around the edges, but 558 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: he's just a compelling guy. He just stole money from 559 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: the person he's saying is the bad guy here, Like 560 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: he's stole tens of thousands of dollars and admitted, you 561 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: did you steal from the organization? Yes, yes, I did, Yes, 562 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: I stole from the Trump organization. And even Lawrence o'donald 563 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: on MSNBC coming out because they must have gotten like 564 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 1: the word okay that is like they must have gotten 565 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: the word that, hey, we got to save this guy, right, 566 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: we got to say, Michael Cohen, he's too important to 567 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: the case. So Lawrence o'donald goes out there on MSNBC 568 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: and says, well, but he kind of had a right 569 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: to steal the money because he thought he was owed 570 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: more money in a bonus. 571 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 18: Are you at? 572 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 7: MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell hosted The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, 573 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 7: who has been inside the courtroom even there almost every day. 574 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: You have the strength of. 575 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 8: Beyond mortal men. 576 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 3: But what was what was worth. 577 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 6: It to you today? 578 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: What did you see? What did you hear? 579 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 18: Well, you know, the courtroom is where I began as 580 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 18: a writer and a reporter a long time ago, So 581 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 18: this is a home coming for me in terms of 582 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 18: a workplace. The shocking thing at the end of that 583 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 18: cross examination, and I just can't tell you how just 584 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 18: how stunning it was, because it's the thing that I 585 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 18: was waiting for. I saw everything, Todd blanche. I've seen 586 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 18: every minute of cross examination. I've seen every single question 587 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 18: he's asked. And he sat down and ended his cross 588 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 18: examination without asking a single question about the one hundred 589 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 18: and thirty thousand dollars that appears on the Alan Weiselberg 590 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 18: note about how they were structuring the payment to Michael Collen. 591 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 18: He asked about the fifty thousand dollars that's irrelevant to 592 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 18: the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, And that's where 593 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 18: he very effectively got Michael Collen to say to agree 594 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 18: that yes, he stole thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin 595 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 18: was asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it 596 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 18: didn't really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars. 597 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: It sounded a lot like Michael Cohen, like like what 598 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: in the world, Like what world are you living in? 599 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: He asked. 600 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: And again I quote when Coen was asked about that 601 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: on diirect by the prosecution, it didn't really sound like 602 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: stealing thirty thousand dollars. They just asked him directly, did 603 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: you steal thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization? 604 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: And his response was yes, sir. 605 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: And then they sit there they say, Wow, it doesn't 606 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: really sound like like it doesn't really sound like he 607 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: stole thirty thousand dollars. Like everybody calmed down. He just 608 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: admitted to stealing thirty thousand dollars. They asked him, did 609 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: you steal the money? 610 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 17: Yes? 611 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: And who pays that much money? By the way, in 612 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: a bag of cash? Like he's still I mean a 613 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: bag of cash fifty comes in, you give twenty to 614 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: the Trump organization. 615 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: You keep the other thirty skimming off the top. 616 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: And it's like, why, well, I thought I'd deserve more 617 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: money from the Trump campaign and our Trump organization and 618 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: a bonus. So therefore I just decided, screw it, I'm 619 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: just gonna steal a bunch of money. I'm sorry what 620 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: And then MSNBC tries to rehab it, like, hey, look, 621 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: we gotta say, we gotta say, Michael Cohen, how do 622 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: we do it? 623 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's easy, no problem. 624 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: We'll just say that when you steal something, it doesn't 625 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: actually sound like he's stealing it, and go on TV 626 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: and all you guys say, this isn't a big deal, 627 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: and he's still trustworthy somehow, some way, like he's somehow trustworthy, 628 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: and just you know, act like he's trustworthy. It'll be 629 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: totally fine, and we'll just you know, our audience doesn't 630 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: want to hear that Michael Cohen's a liar. Our audience 631 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear that Michael Cohen is is a scumeback. 632 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: There was only I go back to the one of the. 633 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: First piece of audio that I played for you, Okay, 634 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: and that was right when this happened in Fox News Channel. 635 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: Read the transcript. 636 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: If anybody's being intellectually honest over at MSNBC or CNN 637 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: or ABCNBCCBS, this is the lead tonight and this is 638 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: what they should read to the American people, but they 639 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: won't do it. 640 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand 641 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says, 642 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: you stole from the Trump organization. 643 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: Cohen says, yes, sir. 644 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: He also confirms Lyne to Alan Weiselberg, I don't know 645 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: how many of that is on the list, but that's 646 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: that's another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty 647 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: to larsony On they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did 648 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: seal from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement 649 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: of Redfinch, and he says yes, sir. 650 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: So he says yes, sir. He says yes, sir. 651 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: Like that's the whole ballgame, folks, That's that's the whole thing. 652 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: He says, yes, sir. Donald Trump saying it this way, 653 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: this is a witch hunt. It's an attempt to damage 654 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's political opponent, that is all that it is. 655 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 3: And when Donald Trump said it, he's right, where. 656 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 14: Nobody's ever seen anything like this, this is said, this 657 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 14: is a witch child. This is to damage Crooked Joe. 658 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 13: Biden, the worst president of the issue. 659 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 15: We are going to treat by far, by far to 660 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 15: damage his political movement. 661 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 7: That's all. 662 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 14: This is the highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge, 663 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 14: who just did something that nobody's ever seen it. 664 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 3: And the press is not happy. 665 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 13: I don't imagine they just got thrown out him a moodouse. 666 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever seen anybody, no one's ever seen anything quite 667 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: like it. If there's anything that this administration does and 668 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: does well today, let me rephrase that. If there's anything 669 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: that the defense should do and do well today, it 670 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: should be this. 671 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: When they go. 672 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: To this whole thing at the very end and they 673 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: wrap it up, they need to say, hey, Michael Cohen, 674 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: this is his resume, y'all, this is what you're supposed 675 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: to trust. A convicted felon, a perjurer, a Democrat star witness. 676 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: It is law fair campaign against President Trump. He's made 677 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: over four million dollars doing it, and now he's admitted 678 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: to a theft stealing money from Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. 679 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: And this is the guy that you're supposed to trust today, 680 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: give me a break. Make sure you share this podcast 681 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: please with your family and your friends. Are going to 682 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: keep covering this trial. We'll have everything for you as 683 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: it breaks. We'll see you back here tomorrow morning.