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Speaker 1: your hosts, Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It's Tuesday, March fifteenth, twenty twenty two. Just
Speaker 1: like we predicted all along, a whole hell of a
Speaker 1: lot has changed since the last time we did an
Speaker 1: episode of the Draft Show. I'm David Hellman. I am
Speaker 1: joined as always by my guys, Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans. Let's just get right to it, guys. I
Speaker 1: mean we're not, you know, we're not really here to
Speaker 1: get into the weeds of the Dallas Cowboys necessarily. But
Speaker 1: some stuff has happened which has changed the draft. Um,
Speaker 1: where do you want to start? Amari Cooper is no
Speaker 1: longer scheduled to be a Dallas Cowboy. I guess that
Speaker 1: trade won't be finalized until Wednesday, when the league year opens.
Speaker 1: But the widely accepted report is that he's off to
Speaker 1: Cleveland the Cowboys, gaining a fifth round pick pick and
Speaker 1: swapping sixth. Yeah, we can start, Okay, well that's an
Speaker 1: interesting reaction. We can start there, or we can mention
Speaker 1: what else? What else has happened in this world? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There we literally as we were prepping for this show
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ago, reports that Randy Gregory has agreed to
Speaker 1: a five year extension, probably more like a two year
Speaker 1: extension if I had to guess, But Randy Gregory back
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. DeMarcus Lawrence restructuring or redoing his deal. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not a restructure, and it's it's an entirely new contract.
Speaker 1: So you've got your edge rushers back for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Malie Hooker agreed to a two year contract this morning,
Speaker 1: so you've got at least one of your top three
Speaker 1: safeties back in the fold. Uh. Jake McQuaid can't forget
Speaker 1: the long snapper. I think that's I think that's everything
Speaker 1: major that's happened since we last spoke. Guys, where do
Speaker 1: you want to start? I think we should No, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have given you the option. Oh, we need to
Speaker 1: start with Amari Cooper. That is the one I think
Speaker 1: that most drastically impacts the draft. A because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have changed their draft capital. B because they now have
Speaker 1: a pretty glaring hole on their roster where they didn't
Speaker 1: take the floor or somebody, what do we got? What
Speaker 1: do we think? You know? I would just say Skymore
Speaker 1: of course, there we go. Great is a great name.
Speaker 1: Check that box. Now we're a gett. Can we get
Speaker 1: odds in Vegas somewhere on saying that name? The show? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that the Cowboys will use a one of
Speaker 1: their first three picks on a wide receiver, and by
Speaker 1: the time we get there, everybody will be tired of
Speaker 1: hearing the names. Because as an unemployed guy, I'm doing
Speaker 1: some freelance stuff for d magazine, and so I just
Speaker 1: wrote an article that'll go up where I went through
Speaker 1: rounds one, two, three. Here are the targets. Here are
Speaker 1: the guys who could be Cowboys. One of these guys
Speaker 1: will be a Cowboy. So you know, if you let
Speaker 1: us just fire off fifteen names, I can tell you
Speaker 1: who your number three wide receiver is going to be. Brian.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Amari Cooper potentially not being on
Speaker 1: this team. For eight weeks. Now that it's happened and
Speaker 1: they did manage to pull off a trade, albeit for
Speaker 1: not wonderful compensation. I mean, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the world you live in
Speaker 1: when you telegraph that you're unhappy with a player with
Speaker 1: that size contract, how do you feel about? I think overall, though,
Speaker 1: this was one of those things where we're learning and
Speaker 1: I was talking some guys in the league about this,
Speaker 1: that the high ticket guys it's more really about money,
Speaker 1: and I think the things the questions that people have
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, this guy's not a twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: player if that's to them, you know, And so you know,
Speaker 1: people were not really interested in giving a lot for
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that they kind of felt like that
Speaker 1: maybe this was too much, you know, and then the
Speaker 1: Cowboys obviously had their idea. The Cowboys, I mean, they
Speaker 1: settled on what they settled. They were interested in moving on.
Speaker 1: That's clear there. I think that I could say it
Speaker 1: when you look at the draft now in relation to it,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff's right about this, and to me, it's
Speaker 1: it's going to be fascinating as they stack their board
Speaker 1: how high they have receivers, Do they have receivers higher
Speaker 1: than they do, say guards, or maybe potentially even a
Speaker 1: tackle on that board. So I think you could kind
Speaker 1: of kind of look at it. It's two ways. Now,
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a wide receiver or it's
Speaker 1: going to be an offensive lineman there at twenty four,
Speaker 1: which and if the board falls that way, I think
Speaker 1: that's certainly a possibility at wide receiver at twenty four.
Speaker 1: But it's also weird because of the Gallop deal also
Speaker 1: thrown in there as well, because he's coming back and
Speaker 1: you do have Ceedee Lamb still in the fold. So
Speaker 1: do you want to spend a high draft pick? Do
Speaker 1: you want to spend the first round pick on a
Speaker 1: wide receiver when you've already had a seventeenth overall pick
Speaker 1: on your roster and youre could be wide receiver three
Speaker 1: if you go pick at twenty four, would be getting
Speaker 1: paid sixteen point two million a year. That's exactly where
Speaker 1: I was going, Kyle, And so apologies to Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: sort of that's glossed over the fact that he signed
Speaker 1: his own five year deal on Sunday night, twenty four
Speaker 1: hours after the Cooper trade. So you have a you
Speaker 1: have a pairing of Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable maybe you know, and you know, with the
Speaker 1: way you said it though it you know, if you
Speaker 1: feel like because we were going into last season thinking
Speaker 1: that three wide receivers was the way to attack the
Speaker 1: league and maybe it's not. Maybe maybe maybe you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's on your quarterback too, Maybe it's on your OC.
Speaker 1: We can get in all that another day, another show,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's a situation where they say, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like that wide receiver would be
Speaker 1: in play, but maybe they say, hey, this three wide
Speaker 1: receiver attack that we keep talking about is probably not
Speaker 1: the way to go in this day and age. Though
Speaker 1: you still, even if you don't want to run eleven
Speaker 1: personnel all the time, you need a quality third receiver,
Speaker 1: right absolutely, But do you take a quality third receiver
Speaker 1: at twenty four? So that's the question me personally, because
Speaker 1: I'm interested, and i'm you know, will they do it?
Speaker 1: Let's see, I would be interested to know how they
Speaker 1: stack their board with the receivers on that board as
Speaker 1: opposed to the offensive lineman on that So let's just
Speaker 1: go and we know because a defensive end to me
Speaker 1: is out. Oh yeah, that's out with Randy and DeMarcus
Speaker 1: both year for multiple years. I don't know the terms
Speaker 1: of Randy's deal yet, but I would imagine twenty eight
Speaker 1: million guaranteed five for seventy, so it's probably in real
Speaker 1: life two year twenty. You've probably got a two year
Speaker 1: out on Randy. They definitely have a two year out
Speaker 1: on DeMarcus. His guarantees are done after the first two
Speaker 1: years of his new deal. So but those guys are
Speaker 1: in place for two seasons. So I don't know how
Speaker 1: you justify it a first round pick on an on
Speaker 1: an edge rusher right now. But going back to that,
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what you think. And again, this has
Speaker 1: all happened in the five days since we've done a show.
Speaker 1: Plenty more is gonna change. They're gonna add some more guys,
Speaker 1: they'll bring some more guys back. They're gonna lose a
Speaker 1: couple if they sign curse that takes them out of safety.
Speaker 1: So I'm starting to eliminate positions, is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I think interior offensive line
Speaker 1: or maybe offensive line as a whole, and receiver are
Speaker 1: the two big trouble spots that I really they might
Speaker 1: think defensive tackle too, would be a problem that one
Speaker 1: in the first round. Linebacker could be very well thinking
Speaker 1: the first they're looking at high in defensive tackles. There's
Speaker 1: so where do you go? I'm trying to ask the question.
Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all not letting me get there. Where Where
Speaker 1: do you go? I think wide receiver in the first
Speaker 1: round would be a stretch for me, but it's not
Speaker 1: out of the question. Is ultimately what it is. If
Speaker 1: you have one of these guys, Let's say Burke's out
Speaker 1: of Arkansas is your guy, he's your and he's there
Speaker 1: at twenty four, don't hesitate make the pick because you
Speaker 1: like him that much. Don't force a wide receiver at
Speaker 1: twenty four when you can upgrade so many of these
Speaker 1: other positions. But in the second, in the third round,
Speaker 1: if you want to go get a wide receiver at
Speaker 1: fifty six, if you want to turn around and go
Speaker 1: at eighty eight, I'm fine with that. I think that's
Speaker 1: where the value might lie in this because you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily in search for a number one wide receiver. You're
Speaker 1: in search for a guy to be a back end
Speaker 1: developmental prospect underneath Michael Gallup and CD Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question then about this. How many wide receivers
Speaker 1: you have in the first round. I'm talking about you
Speaker 1: four four. Here's your last one. Let's see, probably a
Speaker 1: love Okay, would you have a Lobvy over? Now we're
Speaker 1: talking about a team the last couple of years that's
Speaker 1: taken the best player on their board. Do you have
Speaker 1: a lobby over any of those guards? No, not Linderbomb
Speaker 1: nor Green. Okay, I would rather take either one of those.
Speaker 1: What about Zion Johnson? I would take Zion over all. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that That's might be what they're getting into now,
Speaker 1: that they would rather have that, They would rather have
Speaker 1: the center or the guard. To me personally, yeah, you personally?
Speaker 1: Me personally though, the only one that I would take
Speaker 1: over one of those wide receivers offensive line wide would
Speaker 1: be Linden Bomb. That would be the only one I
Speaker 1: would take out of all four of those guys. Ye,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's lay them out. Traylan Burke's, Chris Olave,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. Who am I forgetting? Is the fourth? Yeah?
Speaker 1: James will I did say, So those four you're taking
Speaker 1: all four of those over everybody but Tyler Linder bamb
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, OK, Jeffrey, I don't have a first
Speaker 1: round I don't have a first round guard, right, I don't.
Speaker 1: But I mean when you're picking at twenty four, it's
Speaker 1: not really a first round player anyway. That's good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't cute it up. I would take the
Speaker 1: best player. I don't think there's anything that's off limits
Speaker 1: to them. I think if they're best player available, plays
Speaker 1: defensive end, that's a valuable enough position. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: snaps available. I mean, if I would pick them, of course,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. And with the money that the money
Speaker 1: that just went to Randy Gregory, it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: Dorn's armstrong finding. I mean, we'll see. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak too soon, but you can imagine you maybe
Speaker 1: lose your third defensive end there. Well, that's what Goldston's for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when you drafted Golstan. It's time for him to
Speaker 1: step out. If if a guy falls to twenty four
Speaker 1: that you would be stupid to ignore. You draft him.
Speaker 1: Even if he plays defensive end, you still draft him. Whatever.
Speaker 1: You can kick tank inside on with that tackle downs.
Speaker 1: I mean they would take George Falling right, David Ojabo
Speaker 1: at twenty four? Does that make you feel, Brian, you
Speaker 1: know what if Karloftus is there, I'm okay with that. Corloftus, Lindebaum,
Speaker 1: those kind of guys, the wide receivers, Das Hills another
Speaker 1: guy that I would take at safety, dependent depending on
Speaker 1: what happens with you know, with Curse, it sounds like
Speaker 1: an all indications that Curse could be a guy in
Speaker 1: play here that they can get done. I do think
Speaker 1: they're making a push on Jayron Curse. If I were
Speaker 1: going to ignore my real answer just to try to
Speaker 1: answer the question, I think you want Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: you to because my real answer we all know that
Speaker 1: the best play. Yeah, that's very good. If you're not exciting, yes,
Speaker 1: if you want to start just nixing positions because of
Speaker 1: what they've already done, no, you don't even want to
Speaker 1: know where Nakobe Dean gets picked. Because Nakobe Dean, I
Speaker 1: think is really interesting and in mock drafts you're starting
Speaker 1: to see him in the late twenties, and linebacker is
Speaker 1: still a need for this team. Are we overlooking the
Speaker 1: need at linebacker? I don't know. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: we have. I think there's something like you said to me,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the thing that when you look at
Speaker 1: these linebackers, there's going to be faults. Now, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lack of height, there might be a lack
Speaker 1: of speed. The film doesn't show that on on on Lloyd,
Speaker 1: but there's there's people are going to say deficiencies there.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say it about Lindenbaumb too. Dallas is going
Speaker 1: to take a player that's probably got some flaws to him,
Speaker 1: you know, And and that's where you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's okay, But you just gotta you know, you got
Speaker 1: to know that these players do have some flaws. I'll
Speaker 1: take the flip side of that and apologize to Nakobe
Speaker 1: Dean because just as a player, he's just short. No,
Speaker 1: but and that's the only issue. He's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players. Done that he shouldn't have been short. Hey,
Speaker 1: trust me, I know, but that's no. No, But that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's the thing about it is like that,
Speaker 1: you know, will the Cowboys will they will they look
Speaker 1: at that will they look at Lloyd and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the four six is four, six one, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Will they look at that and say, but but you
Speaker 1: watch the tape and it doesn't show that. But here's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, is I just feel like
Speaker 1: you can't you have the centerpiece right, you got you
Speaker 1: got the BAMFF. His name is Micah Parsons, And now
Speaker 1: we know he doesn't need to move to edge right now.
Speaker 1: If he was ever going to, I don't think he was.
Speaker 1: He's definitely not going to do it now with Randy
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus back under contract, So you got him. Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox is still here, fortunately for him. You know, it
Speaker 1: always sounds weird to say an injury is good, but
Speaker 1: if you're going to tear your ACL, at least do
Speaker 1: it in week five in or week six, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: instead of week fifteen or sixteen. Like Michael Gal's very
Speaker 1: self shift galloped to Terry Swards. What a selfish player.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys have their druthers, I think the answer
Speaker 1: is clearly they're picking that word. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're if you're picking the guy who it's like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm really glad he's on the very top of our
Speaker 1: board while we're picking here. It's one of the guards, like,
Speaker 1: that's the deglaring weaknesses. If they lined up today, Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern is probably your left guard and they don't want
Speaker 1: him on the field. Yeah, you feel and I think
Speaker 1: we agree. We don't feel crazy different about the receiver situation.
Speaker 1: We all agree that it'll be a top one hundred
Speaker 1: pick most likely, But it doesn't it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be picked twenty four. When you have Michael Gallop and
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, pick twenty four to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It would be fun it just like Ceedee Lamb was
Speaker 1: fun when you have Michael's just like all these other positions,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to talk about should you take this
Speaker 1: position at twenty four in the first round? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have all of this, but a year or two
Speaker 1: down the road, you have no idea what you're gonna
Speaker 1: have If you have no idea if Ceede Lamb is
Speaker 1: going to get a second contract with this team, You
Speaker 1: have no idea if you're gonna keep Michael gallup more
Speaker 1: than the two years that he has guaranteed money Wide
Speaker 1: Receivers should not be off limits in the first round
Speaker 1: because you don't know what the world is going to
Speaker 1: have going on for your team in twenty four months.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because look at two years ago,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, if you would have drafted Caleb and Jason
Speaker 1: instead of Cede Lamb, where would you be in the
Speaker 1: wide receiver room right now? You probably would have kept
Speaker 1: Cooper or found the way that you would be hanging
Speaker 1: out with Simmi's. It would be interesting, would be very interest.
Speaker 1: What do you guys feel better about second round linebackers
Speaker 1: or second round guards? Probably linebacker. I think I'm not linebackers. See,
Speaker 1: that's that kind of my point is I just with
Speaker 1: all due respect to guys that play linebacker, and having
Speaker 1: a really good one makes a difference. As we saw
Speaker 1: with Mica. You can find those guys in my again
Speaker 1: not to be the centerpieces, but you already have that historically.
Speaker 1: He's right, No, he a lot of really good linebackers
Speaker 1: come from rounds two through four. Agree, a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But I think Brian's kind of poking at this little
Speaker 1: bit too. There's there's guards there too. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: Ed Ingram from LSU that shouldn't possibly be there. Kade Mays,
Speaker 1: who I know Dallas has talked to Jeremy Slayer out
Speaker 1: of Georgia. There's good solid guards that are gonna be
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the position of the of
Speaker 1: the guard might be a little bit deeper than what
Speaker 1: the linebacker is. So if that's the case, you know,
Speaker 1: if you go linebacker at twenty four and you turn
Speaker 1: around and you say, okay, this thing might stretch a
Speaker 1: little bit for some of these guards if you want
Speaker 1: to go for the inside, help there. Who's your LB
Speaker 1: three behind Lloyd and Dean Clark and Harris linebackers? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Clark Clark from MILLISHU and Harrison, Christian Harris Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Hawker out of Georgier, out of Georgia. I like Christian
Speaker 1: Harris too, Quaywalker, Christian Harris, Chad Muma, leo'schanal all second
Speaker 1: round guys for me, Yeah, I just I think I
Speaker 1: think I can afford to wait on that. Not I mean,
Speaker 1: you need it one, You're probably gonna need one, although
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised. We'll see what the market holds
Speaker 1: for Light and vander Esh. I'd like if if he
Speaker 1: can't get a great deal somewhere else, I think it's
Speaker 1: realistic that he could be back here on a you
Speaker 1: know that type of deal, the one year deal, a
Speaker 1: one or two year deal that's worth less than ten
Speaker 1: million dollars, that type of deal, I think that's totally possible.
Speaker 1: Is his market value, I don't, I know, we don't
Speaker 1: want to get into the week that's thinking too. With
Speaker 1: mully Cooker's four, Vanderesh might be five or I bet
Speaker 1: I bet he's gunning. I bet he wants like six
Speaker 1: to eight. And then the reality, I think there's teams
Speaker 1: to have failed him on the physical that would never
Speaker 1: bring him in. It's possible. So that's why I think
Speaker 1: his market probably wouldn't be that great. When you've had
Speaker 1: neck slash, spinal column. Yeah, people realize that that's not
Speaker 1: you know, and you look and you look at I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a couple of really good games last year
Speaker 1: for the team where he had you know, double digit tackles.
Speaker 1: They just lost both games he played. I think the
Speaker 1: Denver game he had thirteen tackles or some so he
Speaker 1: showed he he's capable of playing. I mean, he didn't
Speaker 1: completely fall off the map, no, he I mean he
Speaker 1: was a he was like a at replacement level linebacker,
Speaker 1: right like. I mean, that's that's the way I view
Speaker 1: to the season that he had last The injuries have
Speaker 1: robbed him of movement. In my opinion, when you watch
Speaker 1: him move, he doesn't move as good as he once did.
Speaker 1: But would I would I sign him on a one
Speaker 1: year deal to prevent myself from having to reach in
Speaker 1: the draft. Sure or somebody like him. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what Kean O'Neill was last year. So I think it.
Speaker 1: You know, you again, you kind of get premature because
Speaker 1: this is all this will all be different by tonight.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess with the way that this
Speaker 1: is going. But I do, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting because I think y'all are absolutely right. If you're
Speaker 1: trying to draw yourself a roadmap, he sure looks like
Speaker 1: it's pointing toward guards and receivers. To me, guard they
Speaker 1: need a guard guard. Which comes full circle from my
Speaker 1: first draft, which was the Jonathan Cooper Chance Warmack draft. Man,
Speaker 1: I loved me Some Chance Warmack. Either guy really wound
Speaker 1: Some Chance warmamazing Maler, Jonathan Cooper incredible Apple. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they both had great careers. All right, So we've reset
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Speaker 1: All right, it's the second segment. You know what that means?
Speaker 1: Twitter on the Twitter was absolutely right. A lot of
Speaker 1: receiver questions today, I can't say I'm surprised about that,
Speaker 1: which we we sort of we kind of did this,
Speaker 1: but I want to I want to get a little
Speaker 1: bit more thorough. With a question from Rob, he wants
Speaker 1: to know how far down your list of receivers can
Speaker 1: you go before you're out of potential day one starters.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good question because that was the
Speaker 1: situation they were in with Michael Gallup. They drafted him
Speaker 1: at eighty one. He was a day one starter. Wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, great as a rookie, but a guy that
Speaker 1: they were able to get production out of right away.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at that again Cowboys pick twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: fifty sixth and eighty eight. Can you find a Day
Speaker 1: one starter? Like, how how far back can you go?
Speaker 1: Maybe you can get to the fourth. I mean I've
Speaker 1: I've seen fourteen wide receivers and I think they're all
Speaker 1: Day one starters. Yeah, so yeah, I think you can
Speaker 1: find one all of them. Yeah. Like, for instance, this
Speaker 1: is just gonna be rapid fire because you guys know
Speaker 1: the names of the top already, right, Wilson Burkes, Williams, London, Moore,
Speaker 1: Olave Pickens, Mechie Dotson, Tolbert. And when I get down
Speaker 1: to my third round and there's bunch of people I
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. Calvin Austin the third from Memphis, a
Speaker 1: little slot guy, Yeah, he's a starter. Khalil Shakier at
Speaker 1: Boise State. Yeah, I think he can start for somebody
Speaker 1: the slot as a rookie. Alec Pierce at Cincinnati. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably an NFL starter as a rookie. And one
Speaker 1: Dale Robinson the other tiny fast guy from Kids, a
Speaker 1: fun player to watch. Probably you could start for somebody
Speaker 1: in the slot as a rookie. And I'm not done
Speaker 1: watching guys. There's a lot Yeah, I'm Robinson. I have
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. That's my first fourth round guy,
Speaker 1: And I kind of agree with Jeff of the names
Speaker 1: that he said. I think wide receiver used to be
Speaker 1: one where you're worried about the learning curve, and I
Speaker 1: don't worry about the learning curve. I think seven on
Speaker 1: seven football has helped a lot of these kids in
Speaker 1: high school. I think their offenses in college throw the
Speaker 1: football a ton. They don't. Maybe maybe they're not the
Speaker 1: most polished route runners, but you can throw on that
Speaker 1: Ohio State tape. You'd take any one of those kids.
Speaker 1: You'd throw on the Alabama tape. You'd take anyone those
Speaker 1: kids you throw on some tape from a kid from
Speaker 1: Western Michigan. You'd take that kid, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: that's kind of where the things that we're at right now,
Speaker 1: because these guys go out there and they catch the football,
Speaker 1: they know how to run routes, they know how to
Speaker 1: get open, and they're not scared. And I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's what we've seen in pro football really
Speaker 1: the last two or three years. And they're used in
Speaker 1: so many different ways. Yea too, and that that same
Speaker 1: sort of usage goes from the collegian game into the
Speaker 1: professional game now and used to not be that much
Speaker 1: of a crossover. Now there's so many things that mirror
Speaker 1: each other, like where a Wandale Robinson could be selected
Speaker 1: outside of the top one hundred, yet he's still going
Speaker 1: to be the third wide receiver starting in eleven personnel
Speaker 1: for whatever team ends up picking him up along the
Speaker 1: way because he's used in a certain way. Same thing
Speaker 1: with guys like Christian Watson. I know he didn't say
Speaker 1: his name out of North Dakota State. He's down the
Speaker 1: list from the guys like Pickens and Dotson and Mechi Tolbert.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy who absolutely make an impact and
Speaker 1: he's probably the eleventh receiver, tenth receiver off the board.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him up. I'll ask this question
Speaker 1: from tea chants, but then I think it opens up
Speaker 1: to a broader question. He specifically wants to know who
Speaker 1: you think is a better fit between Alec Pierce, guy
Speaker 1: that y'all like a lot out of Cincinnati, and Christian
Speaker 1: Watson like a little bit of a Sinson. Brian likes
Speaker 1: him a lot. I do like I have him over
Speaker 1: Watson myself. I just when you watch, Like I said,
Speaker 1: when I was when I was evaluating the quarterback there
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, he was throwing the ball to one guy
Speaker 1: really and that one guy was making like every single play,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I don't know how you could, you know,
Speaker 1: not like a receiver. He tested very well at the
Speaker 1: combine if you're into those kinds of things, you know,
Speaker 1: and he also the thing about him that's really really
Speaker 1: interesting is he's a really he's a tall guy. I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's a six three, two hundred eleven pound
Speaker 1: guy that I mean getting in the catch radius is huge.
Speaker 1: He goes all over the place to get the ball.
Speaker 1: He's really good in the red zone. I mean his
Speaker 1: learning curve I think is very little because I think
Speaker 1: he could do all the things already and he's not
Speaker 1: size deficient, so you could play him wherever you need
Speaker 1: to play him. I'm the same way I have Watson
Speaker 1: underneath Pierce because of those reasons. I like the size,
Speaker 1: I like to speed, the athleticism. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: he's he's Cooper up. That's a dumb comparison. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have kind of thrown it out there in
Speaker 1: terms of style of play, He's not to that level yet,
Speaker 1: but I still like the way that he could kind
Speaker 1: of mix some of those things into his pro game.
Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat a lot of what Brian said,
Speaker 1: but I'm right there with it. Well, I'll throw it
Speaker 1: out to you in a broader sense because again he
Speaker 1: asked about two specific guys. But on a team that
Speaker 1: now has you assume Ceedee Lamb is is now the
Speaker 1: number one receiver on this team? Yeah, Michael Gallup boy
Speaker 1: pt says Michael Gallup's gonna be the number one. He
Speaker 1: could be. Shout out, hey, shout out Phil A. Tanner.
Speaker 1: I trust the hell out of what he has to say.
Speaker 1: Coached here for a little while. Oh well, and I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys want more from Michael Gallup, but knowing
Speaker 1: his paid receiver on the team, knowing their skill sets,
Speaker 1: well they need to get some from Ceedee Lamb though, too.
Speaker 1: They need more, honest that that was one of those
Speaker 1: things that you know that I know he was my
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver on that board, and the fact
Speaker 1: when he was taken I was super excited. Is his
Speaker 1: Is it his fault completely? No? But but there needs
Speaker 1: to be It's sounds harsh to say about a guy
Speaker 1: maybe maybe overrated him, I mean, like safe thousand yards
Speaker 1: potentially his first season, eleven hundred last season. It doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't kind of feel like you need more there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't help that a guy drafted five spots behind
Speaker 1: him is setting the league on fire. Yeah. Anyway, but
Speaker 1: knowing what you know about these two, is there a
Speaker 1: third receiver? And I think y'all have talked about Pickens
Speaker 1: before when we've kind of danced around this subject, But
Speaker 1: is there a third receiver that you think compliments those
Speaker 1: two exceptionally? Well? Are you ready for your question to
Speaker 1: be answered with a question that's just kind of what
Speaker 1: y'all do, So are you prepared for that? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you like Ceede Lamb outside or do you like Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb in the slot? I prefer him in the slot.
Speaker 1: Then you need a guy who can play anywhere. Um,
Speaker 1: if you want CD in the slot in the first round,
Speaker 1: I think names to know would be Drake London, Trail
Speaker 1: and Burgs, Garrett Wilson. I think I would like Jamison
Speaker 1: Williams in the slot, but he could either If they
Speaker 1: draft Jamison Williams, I'm fine with whatever. By the way,
Speaker 1: you could put you could just mix and match those
Speaker 1: two guys. Ideally, I would like to think ceedee lamb
Speaker 1: can do both. Like I want my best receiver in
Speaker 1: the slot, no matter what. Yeah, like that's what I want.
Speaker 1: I don't because it's like it's like we say the
Speaker 1: word slot and I think people picture full Basley Yep, Okay,
Speaker 1: Well train plays the slot. He's six two two twenty five.
Speaker 1: A J. Green, when he was still really really good,
Speaker 1: was playing the slot. Julio Jones started playing the slot.
Speaker 1: Your best guy plays the slot used to mean smaller
Speaker 1: guy who gets pry with. Yeah, but teams have also
Speaker 1: figured out they play their best corner in the slot though, too. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know that's that's something to a lot of them.
Speaker 1: You can bat that. No, a lot of them do
Speaker 1: walk in there and play. If you're gonna put your
Speaker 1: best player in the slot, that Ramsey'll go in there,
Speaker 1: but most will most out corners play outside. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's some of your good you watch enough games, they'll
Speaker 1: take they'll they'll play the You'll see some of the
Speaker 1: best players inside. They just that's the way they walk.
Speaker 1: You're right, I don't watch him any game. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you really, if you really watch it,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, if you really watch the games,
Speaker 1: they really do. You can look up snap counts for corners,
Speaker 1: and I promise you the vast majority of what you
Speaker 1: consider a great corner it's gonna be outside. Sure, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that don't want to go in there,
Speaker 1: but that you do. You you know, teams have figured
Speaker 1: out that the best receivers are in the slot. Do
Speaker 1: you think I'm crazy for wanting CD in the slot? No, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I don't see's your best one, Okay,
Speaker 1: But I also would point out that I think CD
Speaker 1: is really really good outside too. I think he could
Speaker 1: do whatever. And that's why I think you're wide open.
Speaker 1: I think you're wide open at what receiver you pick.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of Jamis and Williams and CD
Speaker 1: Lamb kind of being interchangeable. Both guys can play outside,
Speaker 1: both guys can play inside. You never know where they're
Speaker 1: gonna line up. And then you've got Michael Gallopy's your
Speaker 1: deep threat on the opposite side. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: ton of fun. I will readily admit I think there
Speaker 1: are more important things they could do with that pick
Speaker 1: than draft the receiver. But it would be fun. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I would do a backflip if they drafted
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. It would be amazing. Anthony wants to know
Speaker 1: what would you give up, if anything, for Lavisca Chennault
Speaker 1: who appears Was there some questions about his medical coming out. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that people need to give of
Speaker 1: his draft. Yeah, I think that's a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do with that. So yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: would worry. I think that these teams this medical stuff
Speaker 1: that carries a lot of these guys like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: I see him playing, but is that something that's going
Speaker 1: to be a problem in the future. You know, this
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those deals which I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: I believe Chanult fell to the second round, did he not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He he would just pick forty two and twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: So again that matters because you don't get the fifth
Speaker 1: year option. So he's he's halfway through his rookie deal. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I just like, what is a what is a
Speaker 1: guy who's been okay, not amazing, who's only got two
Speaker 1: years left on his deal? Like, what is he worth?
Speaker 1: What is that what is that worth to you? Like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give up I wouldn't give up anything better
Speaker 1: than a Day three pick for Yeah. No, that's what
Speaker 1: you've kind of seen, what's going on with the Murray
Speaker 1: Cooper and stuff like that. I mean, that's what people are.
Speaker 1: That's what people are doing right now. And they're even
Speaker 1: doing it sometimes with these quarterbacks, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the top ones. Of course you're going to get the
Speaker 1: first round picks. But again, I just believe that people
Speaker 1: are kind of like, listen, you're you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to move on from this guy. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: looking at the draft just like we are. It's a
Speaker 1: weird thing to say, because Christian Kirk just got paid
Speaker 1: an ungodly amount of money. I mean, receivers are making money.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, again going back to the
Speaker 1: first segment, this trend and what we talked to Will
Speaker 1: about at the combine, you can count on six of
Speaker 1: these guys being studs every year, and so what are you, like,
Speaker 1: why are you giving up a ton of assets when
Speaker 1: you know that the next draft class is right around
Speaker 1: the corner to be there with another thousand yard receiver
Speaker 1: ready to play right away. I just think that kind
Speaker 1: of hurts the value of established players unless you are
Speaker 1: really at the top of your profession. Hey, Dallas has
Speaker 1: three first or three fifth round picks. Now maybe you
Speaker 1: could trade one of them and try and go get somebody.
Speaker 1: Maybe not a nult, but maybe you go maybe this
Speaker 1: is where you get your kicker. I think so too.
Speaker 1: I think you maybe takes I'm taking that extra fifth
Speaker 1: from the Brownies and I'm using it on whichever kicker
Speaker 1: they prefer. Kay York if that's fine out of the
Speaker 1: at the risk of sound like a homer, if they
Speaker 1: want to kicker the kicker, that sounds fun to me.
Speaker 1: I don't care one of them. I told y'all there
Speaker 1: would be a lot of receiver questions. Cowboys seventy one
Speaker 1: once y'all to break down Traylan Burke's verse, Chris Olava,
Speaker 1: just their games. They're very different players. They're very different players.
Speaker 1: So like, just break down what they do well, what
Speaker 1: they don't do well, YadA, YadA, YadA, Just sort of
Speaker 1: what you would get from either decision they do the
Speaker 1: exact opposite swell. Traylan Burks is six two two twenty five,
Speaker 1: and you're going to feel every bit of that when
Speaker 1: you play against him, because they're gonna throw them screens,
Speaker 1: They're gonna put the ball up in the air. Uh.
Speaker 1: Traylan Burks is physically imposing hell after the catch, plays
Speaker 1: above the rim, down the field. He's a big, tough,
Speaker 1: physical wide receiver. Chris Olave is a small, kind of slight,
Speaker 1: incredible route runner and technician and and fast. I won't
Speaker 1: take that from him. He scored thirteen touchdowns and sixty
Speaker 1: five catches. That's pretty darn good. But they're just they're
Speaker 1: polar opposites. Trail and Burkes. You want the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands now or up there. And Chris Olave you
Speaker 1: want him to go run a route on that dude,
Speaker 1: and he's going to give you separation. Jeff's nailed him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's absolutely got both players, right. I mean
Speaker 1: that the thing about a Lave to me is that
Speaker 1: you talk about the technician and things like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, let's let's look at it this way.
Speaker 1: Which receiver is best for Dak Prescott. If you had
Speaker 1: to watch a game and you're saying throw it up
Speaker 1: guy to you know, bad bad, bad catch guy. You know,
Speaker 1: bad ball guy, see I'm trying to figure out now
Speaker 1: and my new mission is if it's not separators, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's not good for Dak, don't tell me about it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't care if you know.
Speaker 1: If to me, if it's about blockers, if it's about
Speaker 1: a runner, if it's about a tight end, if it's
Speaker 1: a better receiver. Because again I know where a show
Speaker 1: that's all about the draft. But if if you want
Speaker 1: to focus on the Cowboys, which one of these guys
Speaker 1: better helps Dak and to me, to me, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a bigger body guy, but also look at a lobby
Speaker 1: and make plays in tight spaces, poorly thrown balls. I
Speaker 1: think the answer is a love which goes it goes
Speaker 1: against my instinct versus a damn good player. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it goes against how I have them ranked. Is
Speaker 1: the problem which the reason I was so the reason
Speaker 1: I was so insistent that I thought moving on from
Speaker 1: Amari was a bad idea. I think his skill set
Speaker 1: works very well with Dak. He presents like a clean target. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he creates separation, he gets open. He wasn't as open
Speaker 1: as he was last year. I don't believe. I think
Speaker 1: there was some limitations with his health that allowed him
Speaker 1: not to play fast. I'm already didn't play as fast
Speaker 1: as he normally plays, and I think that to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at all these wide receivers, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: which one of these guys can go out there and
Speaker 1: get the football, get open and at least give Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott because we've learned about Dak. If it's not completely open,
Speaker 1: that ball might not be going your direction. Right, So whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever one of these guys, I don't care. Started at
Speaker 1: Jeff's number one and go all the way to fourteen
Speaker 1: and determine who that guy is. Garrett Wilson's one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, but we Sky Moore, Chrisolava, ye, John Metchi,
Speaker 1: there you go, Jalen Tilbert all right, and maybe Jamison Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would throw him into that. He's not a technician.
Speaker 1: He wins at the line of scrimmage, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have that route running capability. Olave is one of
Speaker 1: those crisp, clean route runners that's going to separate immediately.
Speaker 1: If you throw him on a slant, he's open. You
Speaker 1: throw him in the backfield if you want to kind
Speaker 1: of toss it to him behind he's open, he's going
Speaker 1: to run after the catch as well. So if you
Speaker 1: want to narrow it down even further, and you were
Speaker 1: to say, okay, I think the Cowboys would love to
Speaker 1: pick an offensive lineman in the first round, second round,
Speaker 1: I believe you narrow that down to Sky Moore, John Metchi,
Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert. You want one of those names available? Metchi
Speaker 1: at Alabama, Tulbert at South Alabama, and Skymore at Western Michigan.
Speaker 1: What about Dots, It's gonna ask you about Dots and
Speaker 1: does he do anything for you? Gloss over John Dotson
Speaker 1: a lot? But he's a slight guys over him five eleven? Guy?
Speaker 1: Is that? Why did you? Did you say? Five eleven?
Speaker 1: And yeah? Slight and he's four four and like he's explosive.
Speaker 1: John Dotson's a good player. But I think I see
Speaker 1: him ranked for so many people, like in the twenties
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I'm more like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: he's at fifty six, we could talk about it. That's well,
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Fifty six. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: up there. I'm right there with you. He's not in
Speaker 1: those top six receivers that we keep throwing around. But
Speaker 1: I like the way he runs routes, get guys off balance.
Speaker 1: I get mad at receivers who can't get off the line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when people lined up on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: they were screwing him up. And when he would get
Speaker 1: contacted in route, they were screwing him up. And he's
Speaker 1: not physical. I have that in my cons category that
Speaker 1: bothers me with receivers got off the line. Honestly, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, when you look at these names, the best
Speaker 1: player probably for DAK would be Drake London. Oh, just
Speaker 1: throw it up. I get tested catch guy though, But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying though. But to me, though, I
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna be that he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: go get it. See. I mean I put in my
Speaker 1: notes because I thought this guy was Adam Thaling And
Speaker 1: maybe that's what DAK needs. Maybe Dak needs a guy
Speaker 1: that can get open in. But when it gets a
Speaker 1: little muddy, that like oh the balls thrown bat here's
Speaker 1: like a six four guy going straight up and getting it.
Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of what Michael Gallops is especially all
Speaker 1: that money? Okay, tell me about Michael Gallup as a
Speaker 1: route runner. I don't think he's It's okay if that's
Speaker 1: your If that's your argument, then if that's your argument,
Speaker 1: then go get you somebody that runs routes. He gave you.
Speaker 1: He gave you a boatload of names to go talk
Speaker 1: about guys that are really good route runners. A lab Mitchie,
Speaker 1: those kinds of guys. You need guys, because that's what
Speaker 1: right now. I don't know if you necessarily have that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you necessariay that Ceedee Lamb's a
Speaker 1: great route runner. I agree, and that's so you better
Speaker 1: go get somebody that can separate and somebody, but I break.
Speaker 1: I bring up London just because of how damn big
Speaker 1: he is and back shoulder up high because dad ain't
Speaker 1: always accurate, you know, yeah, but but actually a better
Speaker 1: I thought. It's a great point from you, even less
Speaker 1: than his accuracy. He doesn't want to take that risk,
Speaker 1: like he's not gonna zip it into a bad window.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're either open enough that I smage hold
Speaker 1: whole sock, which that's the line of scrimmage. It's probably
Speaker 1: the least sexy skill set because everybody is infatuated with
Speaker 1: the Treylon Burkes t myself included, like, if you're two
Speaker 1: thirty and can run like that, that's exciting as hell.
Speaker 1: And an incredible route tree probably gets glossed over the
Speaker 1: most because it's it just doesn't it's not that exciting
Speaker 1: to look at. But I think it's the most valuable
Speaker 1: thing for Dak, which is why I wind up on
Speaker 1: a lava. Do you think that at some point along
Speaker 1: the line, if they do go with the Drake London though,
Speaker 1: and you go with a guy who's again not a
Speaker 1: great route runner, but he's gonna go up and get
Speaker 1: the football, maybe those those tendencies start to shift a
Speaker 1: little bit from Dak Prescott, because that's right John kid,
Speaker 1: when he was here, Yo, ball Yeah, told dad, He's like,
Speaker 1: rip it, yeah, let it happen. Do you see what's happening?
Speaker 1: But maybe those t then sees change if all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he doesn't have that technician like Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: We're willing this team to draft a wide receiver at
Speaker 1: twenty four yards, all right, and it's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So okay, Calvin Austin in the third, I think of
Speaker 1: the opposite let's go tiny. We all agree, so I'll
Speaker 1: end it. I'll end it with this and we can
Speaker 1: go along. That's fine. But just knowing what we know
Speaker 1: right now, give me your ideal roadmap through the first
Speaker 1: four rounds, like if you don't if you don't want
Speaker 1: him to draft the receiver, don't do it. Just round
Speaker 1: one Zion Johnson, Boston College guard, Round two, Skymore wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Western Michigan. Round three. You guys are gonna have to
Speaker 1: tell me what linebacker you think would actually be there
Speaker 1: on my grades. I would say somebody like Channing Tindall,
Speaker 1: but I think he'll probably gone or Asamoa the Ou linebacker,
Speaker 1: your boy chanal Leo Chanel. If you think I can
Speaker 1: have him in the third round, absolutely, I'd be tough
Speaker 1: at eighty eight, but I think he'll go like before
Speaker 1: eighty eight in the third four or round a tight
Speaker 1: end Isaiah likely. Just throw out a name, Okay, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I'm along the same lines. Go offensive. You don't have
Speaker 1: to give me names. I'm not one offensive line in
Speaker 1: the first, wide receiver in the second, linebacker interior in
Speaker 1: the third. Even though I know that's the fourth straight
Speaker 1: draft we've taken an interior guy on day two, and
Speaker 1: then linebacker whatever was left over from what I just
Speaker 1: said in the third and the fourth okay, Lyndon baumb pickings,
Speaker 1: and then I would probably look at somebody like Tendall
Speaker 1: earth Walker. Was I have Walker in the third round.
Speaker 1: He's probably a second round player, but I would go
Speaker 1: I would probably go center, I would go wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and then I would go linebacker. Who's your left guard? Uh,
Speaker 1: that's the question I need to answer myself, because right
Speaker 1: now I don't. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a chance
Speaker 1: that maybe I could bottom fish this thing, and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna make sure I take care of the center
Speaker 1: spot because I think this center's pretty rare the way
Speaker 1: he plays. So I'm going to take a chance that
Speaker 1: my left tackle is going to hold up, my center
Speaker 1: is going to be a rare player, My right guard
Speaker 1: will be fine. I'm not sure about the right tackle.
Speaker 1: You might need to take a right tackle too. If
Speaker 1: you're thinking about if you really think that that Steeler
Speaker 1: is a guy, whether you like him or not. They
Speaker 1: like him a lot. But I'm thinking I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: take Linda Bomb because I think he's better than what
Speaker 1: the guards that I have at that spot. Going back
Speaker 1: to my point from earlier, a lot more is going
Speaker 1: to change since the first segment. Connor Williams has agreed
Speaker 1: to a deal with the Dolphins. I don't think really
Speaker 1: anybody's surprised to hear that he's moving on, but I
Speaker 1: am curious to see what I mean. Obviously, Connor McGovern's
Speaker 1: still here. Do they take the time, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, to draft and our excuse me, sign
Speaker 1: a veteran I guess Matt Farniac's still sitting around as well. So,
Speaker 1: like you have quote quote bodies, I just wonder how
Speaker 1: much they do to address it or do they go
Speaker 1: into the draft with that sort of being that kind
Speaker 1: of glaring need where they need to spend a you know,
Speaker 1: top one hundred type of pick. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at this, you know, I'm just looking at this
Speaker 1: as my center is higher rated than those guards I
Speaker 1: have on that board, and so and I say with Linderbaum,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking that, man, I can I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna band aid this this guard position because
Speaker 1: you tried to band aid it a little bit. And
Speaker 1: they'll sign somebody yeah, draft right, like they're gonna say
Speaker 1: that's what I'm do you think so, though, because if
Speaker 1: you have McGovern and Farniac, you technically have the bodies.
Speaker 1: I mean we tried one of them. I mean just
Speaker 1: immediately pulled the rip cord. Yeah, you are not wrong.
Speaker 1: I get made the point in the first segment they
Speaker 1: don't like seeing McGovern out there. Well, no, the offensive
Speaker 1: blind coach hates him. So that's that's clear, you know.
Speaker 1: But Yeah, the thing that to me, like, I just
Speaker 1: if I'm going to take a if I'm centered looking
Speaker 1: at that center, I think my at center can really
Speaker 1: help me in the run game. I think you really can,
Speaker 1: maybe even more so than a guard right now, because
Speaker 1: I you know, I saw things going on with you know,
Speaker 1: with the oddish that you know it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's not it's not where it needs to be. Linda
Speaker 1: Bomb comes in and man, we talk about you know,
Speaker 1: how you played against the defense, how you reach, how
Speaker 1: you scoop, how you get you know, you know, keep
Speaker 1: give guys ability to cut the ball back and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I think he does that in a lot
Speaker 1: and especially with combo blocks and things like that. He's
Speaker 1: really really good so to me, I just have him,
Speaker 1: but better than those those guards that are than Green
Speaker 1: and Johnson and Ingram and Canard, all those guys. As always,
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Speaker 1: I want no, No, we're not doing it. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the draft specifically do a podcast about it. Yet, No,
Speaker 1: I want to get y'all takes. I want to get
Speaker 1: y'all's takes again. We talked about this at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft, but we're trying to draw this circle
Speaker 1: around first round prospects, guys that we think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might target at twenty four, and I just want to
Speaker 1: see how y'all feel about different ones, different options, different
Speaker 1: ways that they could go by pairing guys up. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start off with a list that I
Speaker 1: wrote out this morning. Given the choice between Nacobe Dean
Speaker 1: or Chris Olave Kobe Dan, why because I'm grade as
Speaker 1: a first round player and I have Chris Olave as
Speaker 1: a cheater grade, my answer is always going to be
Speaker 1: my board. Nacobe Dean I have as one of my
Speaker 1: four seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven real life first round grades,
Speaker 1: and Olave I do not. Can I get a rebuttal.
Speaker 1: I've got both in the first myself and Max. Actually,
Speaker 1: Olave is the last guy I have in the first.
Speaker 1: I have four first round grades for the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Dean is my number one inside linebacker. I would probably
Speaker 1: go Dean on that one, is what I would do.
Speaker 1: I just think that when you watch him play, he's
Speaker 1: got some rare ability. Again, both these guys are a
Speaker 1: little bit shorter, a little bit smaller, but both of
Speaker 1: them make tremendous amount of plays. I just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that you put Dean in this scheme and
Speaker 1: let him run, he could finish, So I would I
Speaker 1: would have him slightly over a lava in that situation, myself.
Speaker 1: I completely disagree. Now I'm just kidding, all right. Damn it, guys,
Speaker 1: I know I was hoping it was more important than linebacker.
Speaker 1: Give me a love, Na, that's my that's my answer.
Speaker 1: Well for this team, for this too much. Just for
Speaker 1: this team are just as far as on your board
Speaker 1: now in general, but also for this time. I have
Speaker 1: him either way, Na Kobe Dean over o Lave, that
Speaker 1: quick first step, the recognition, his ability to go head hunting.
Speaker 1: I like all of that. Over Lave. Who I have
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with Jeff. I have him in like
Speaker 1: that first second round cheater area. But Nakobe Dean is
Speaker 1: surely a first round player for me. Tyler Linderbaum trailing
Speaker 1: Burke's Linderbaum. I assume this is going to be a
Speaker 1: clean Snderbaum. He's real life first round and I have
Speaker 1: all the top receipt there's the top six guys as
Speaker 1: cheater one twos. So anybody who I have as a
Speaker 1: absolutely first round grade, I'm taking over the receivers. Tyler
Speaker 1: Linderbaum fits there. Yeah, lindebaumb is both guys in the
Speaker 1: first round. Burks would be my third best receiver. Lindebaum
Speaker 1: the number one center on the board and it is
Speaker 1: a huge drop to the next center at the third round.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think I would go. I think
Speaker 1: there's some rareness to again to Lindebaum, I've never seen
Speaker 1: I've said it's before in a bunch of shows. This
Speaker 1: just I've never seen a guy overcome more deficiencies to
Speaker 1: play great like he does, you know, with his lack
Speaker 1: of high short arms. I mean, people will try and
Speaker 1: talk you out of him, and I'm like, watch the film.
Speaker 1: Watch what this guy does on film, and you tell
Speaker 1: me Burks, I think is very interesting because of all
Speaker 1: the things he can do. But I would go with
Speaker 1: Linderbaum right there myself. Who is your second center? I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've talked about it. Parum, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: farm out of Memphis, Memphis, Okay, I have Dona in
Speaker 1: West r and then Param I have West out of
Speaker 1: Arizona State. But yeah, it's a huge drop off, and
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to what you were talking
Speaker 1: about in the earlier segments about wide receivers, about why
Speaker 1: invest this much when you know there's a ton of
Speaker 1: other guys that are gonna come in NFO ready to play.
Speaker 1: Maybe If that's the case, if there's a position that
Speaker 1: is at least valued lesser than wide receiver like the
Speaker 1: center would be, and then there's a massive drop off
Speaker 1: in talent between their number one and number two guys,
Speaker 1: then why would you not take the winder bomb that's
Speaker 1: sitting there whenever you could, If if you pass up
Speaker 1: on a Burks, you could still get a guy in
Speaker 1: the second. You feel really good about Devin Lloyd. Trent McDuffie, Oh,
Speaker 1: now you're getting the same. Great Now I am gonna
Speaker 1: now I need you to give me an opinion. Deny
Speaker 1: in your life McDuffie. It's the corner out of Washington,
Speaker 1: or anybody that's stopped following along Trent McDuffie. The one
Speaker 1: knock he's gonna get is t Rex Arms. He's under
Speaker 1: thirty inch arms, but holy cow, he's a really good player,
Speaker 1: and he plays the more valuable position. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie over Devin Lloyd. And again, are we talking
Speaker 1: about just overall? What would you like the player? Don't
Speaker 1: try to waffle here, don't try to come up like
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play a need thing and we can
Speaker 1: move it around a little bit like Devin Lloyd probably
Speaker 1: feels a need better for the Cowboys. But if you're
Speaker 1: just picking players in order of how you like them,
Speaker 1: if you're passing over Lloyd, if you're passing on a
Speaker 1: corner that you love because you need a linebacker, that's
Speaker 1: bad drafting in my opinion. Why would you say that
Speaker 1: to my face? Though you could have said that when
Speaker 1: I was gone. You agree with me, Oh yeah I did,
Speaker 1: but you said it to me, so it felt like
Speaker 1: you were getting right at me. I have Lloyd as
Speaker 1: my twenty seventh overall player, and I have McDuffie is
Speaker 1: thirty three. Oh, you are a McDuffie hater. I'm not
Speaker 1: a hater. There are not thirty two better plays. I
Speaker 1: just have him as my third best cornerback hat dinosaurs, nonaurs. Actually,
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley is above him. Sauce Gardner's above him. Stingley
Speaker 1: out of LSU's Gardener out of Cincinnati. For those listening, Um,
Speaker 1: McDuffie is my third. I like Devin Lloyd just a
Speaker 1: little bit better. I think he's physical. I like the
Speaker 1: way he plays downhill. He can stop the run, he
Speaker 1: can plug the gaps. That's tough though. I take Lloyd
Speaker 1: and I love I mean McDuffie's. I had both guys
Speaker 1: in the first round again, solid first round players. I
Speaker 1: think with Lloyd, the thing I love about him, if
Speaker 1: you leave him unblocked, he will make every single tackle.
Speaker 1: And I love that about a guy. I love it
Speaker 1: when you watch him play and you know, you run
Speaker 1: into the football and all his tape is really really good.
Speaker 1: He's six three, two hundred and thirty seven pounds. This guy.
Speaker 1: People are going to figure out how to use him
Speaker 1: because when he's going downhill, he's gonna make it the
Speaker 1: tackle and he's gonna make him hard to block. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what I really really like. Mc duffy
Speaker 1: to me is I don't look at the short arms,
Speaker 1: and you know he's tall enough, he's got enough weight.
Speaker 1: He still knocks the ball down. He still knocks that
Speaker 1: ball down. I mean that's there's no question. No. He
Speaker 1: plays here. I mean, I mean, I rex arms is
Speaker 1: fun to say. No. I mean you could say the
Speaker 1: same thing about the Iowa Center. You know there's guys,
Speaker 1: there's guys on this on this in this first round,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you they have deficiencies. They really do.
Speaker 1: If you know someone's gonna say, why wouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: him because he's a short armed guy. McDuffie, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to take him because he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety six pounds. You know, Lindenbaum, I'm gonna throw you
Speaker 1: one that people are gonna say is Pie in the sky,
Speaker 1: But you never know. I love pie. Tyler linderbaumum Derek
Speaker 1: Stingley both first round grades. I would take Stingley in
Speaker 1: that regard myself. Linderbaum, he likes football. Who I had
Speaker 1: to find a tiebreaker because they're both first round guys.
Speaker 1: I want you guys to fight because I'm on the
Speaker 1: fence here. It's been the center. It's been two years.
Speaker 1: It's been two years since Derek Stingley had an amazing season.
Speaker 1: It is a premier corner. We had traits to be.
Speaker 1: He has the makeup to be that is super duper valuable.
Speaker 1: I can't see him falling that far, but you never know.
Speaker 1: There's enough. It's what do you not? It's who do you?
Speaker 1: Which one are you choosing to take your uncertainties and
Speaker 1: say I don't trust that guy. The height slash arm
Speaker 1: length of linder bomb, despite great tape or the Stingley
Speaker 1: two years of were you hurt? Did you you kind
Speaker 1: of lose interest when you guys weren't good? What happened there?
Speaker 1: I'll go durability. I'll take Linder Bomb. I mean, people
Speaker 1: are gonna get on me because here I'm wearing a
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow are wearing an LSU hoodie, and I've got
Speaker 1: Gardner over Stingley though, But just just because I think
Speaker 1: I think there's questions. I think there's questions. I think
Speaker 1: there's reasons why you would say maybe he would get
Speaker 1: to twenty four. And people will tell you this guy
Speaker 1: is not an alpha type of a player, that he
Speaker 1: needs a big brother. You know that, he you know that.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of questions about him, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But you watch him play, there's there's, like you talk
Speaker 1: about Lindenbaum with some rare ability, that kid Stingley's got
Speaker 1: rare ability. When you watch him play, it is so
Speaker 1: easy for him to when the way he moves, the
Speaker 1: way he transitions, the way he plays the ball, it's
Speaker 1: super super easy. And I wouldn't have believed it was
Speaker 1: to be a better corner in the draft. But Gardner's
Speaker 1: a better corner, but Gardner is a better corner. But
Speaker 1: I do love me some some Stingley, though. If you
Speaker 1: told me Sauce Gardner was the one that fell, and
Speaker 1: it was Linderbaum and Gardner, then I would take Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 1: But I know that's probably even less likely than the
Speaker 1: guy about. There are dings on Stingley's resume that could
Speaker 1: push him down the board, and there's less something comes
Speaker 1: out over the next month about Gardner that we don't know.
Speaker 1: He's the top ten pick. I guess, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you were gonna say this cliche a little bit ago.
Speaker 1: But when they're smoke, there's fire, and you kind of
Speaker 1: hear that rumbling that he could be the one to fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: needs the new ones. I've been expecting sting to fall
Speaker 1: since about mid October. He could. He could very well
Speaker 1: end up. And when that Philadelphia has that run, sure,
Speaker 1: you know right there, right there in that run, he'd
Speaker 1: be fun here. I just he'd have the big brother
Speaker 1: and digs if that that would be, that's what he needs.
Speaker 1: People will say that he's not a bad kid. They
Speaker 1: say that he if you want him to be, he says,
Speaker 1: Jeff's brought it up because he's seeing Gardner work out
Speaker 1: in person, and he's talking about Gardner walking in a
Speaker 1: room and lighting that place up. Stingley is not that guy,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of where people would ding him a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like Jeff says, does the guy really like football?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a glass eater by any means,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think no one should be. That
Speaker 1: sounds terrible and eat. You're tough if you're eating glass.
Speaker 1: It's a turn of phrase, Jeff. I think if you
Speaker 1: have a chance to draft a corner with that skill set,
Speaker 1: I think, especially if it's all the way down at
Speaker 1: twenty four, I think you got to take the risk.
Speaker 1: One last one before we get out of here. I
Speaker 1: like this one. I don't know, Brian, you might not
Speaker 1: like this one. I think. Jeff will Jordan Davis, Zion Johnson, Oh,
Speaker 1: same grade, Zion Johnson. Why I will go Zion because
Speaker 1: Zion is going to play one hundred percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1: I just think I would take my left guard over
Speaker 1: a fifty percent of the snaps player, give or take,
Speaker 1: which is what Jordan Davis is gonna be. And you're
Speaker 1: making me because I have to make a case you're
Speaker 1: gonna make me tear somebody down, and that's messed up.
Speaker 1: Not asking you to tear it's messed up. But yes,
Speaker 1: I would take a guy who I think is going
Speaker 1: to be a high level starting left guard for his
Speaker 1: career over a one technique, even with the good testing,
Speaker 1: because I got to see it on tape, Jordan Davison
Speaker 1: on tape, making a much case outside the town, Brian,
Speaker 1: you don't love Zion as much as you know, I
Speaker 1: have a chance to be really really wrong about that player.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of guys in this draft that
Speaker 1: I have that opportunity, and I'll wear them both. And
Speaker 1: knowing that you love Zion, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: You know what choice? I'll tell you what though, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not wrong about the playing ability, He's not wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean it's about, you know, the thing, with Johnson
Speaker 1: playing every snap, you're gonna get him sixty five seventy plays.
Speaker 1: I think with Jordan Davis though, with this defense, you know,
Speaker 1: think about having a guy that big, that athletic in
Speaker 1: the middle of this defense. Yeah, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, we've got Randy, We've got Tank,
Speaker 1: We've got potentially Osa or you know, anybody else. You
Speaker 1: want to put it the three with that one playing
Speaker 1: the way he does, and maybe you work with him
Speaker 1: and find a way. I mean, the scouts will tell
Speaker 1: you that's just a push the pocket type of a
Speaker 1: player right now, but that's a big push the pocket
Speaker 1: type of a player right now. And so to me,
Speaker 1: I just have him better. I would have him. I
Speaker 1: got both of them in the second round. I just
Speaker 1: have a couple of guards over Zion Johnson, but I
Speaker 1: don't have as many. I don't have. It's Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: as a one technique and White as the three. You know,
Speaker 1: if you told me I could have either one of
Speaker 1: those guys, I'd absolutely love it. Which one would you take?
Speaker 1: I would take? I think I would take Wyatt. I
Speaker 1: think you gotta take over Davis. Yeah, yeah, it'd be fun.
Speaker 1: The thing about but one of three and one was
Speaker 1: a one technique, yeah Davis. It goes back to positional
Speaker 1: value too, because if you wanted to get your third
Speaker 1: guard on your list rather than your number one or
Speaker 1: number two interior defensive lineman. But kind of going into
Speaker 1: what Brian is, if I'm Dallas, if we're in the seats,
Speaker 1: and I know that's not the exercise I would take
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis either way. Let's just say that I have
Speaker 1: him grade at higher. But if I'm Dallas, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the weapons around what Brian's talking about. You have
Speaker 1: a guy who, even if he plays for just two snaps,
Speaker 1: you put him in there with Randy Gregory, Tank Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You have Michael Parsons coming off the back. Who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe it's Jabril Cox back there, maybe it's a second
Speaker 1: or a third round guy who's behind. Mind you, it
Speaker 1: opens up your defense if you're able to push just
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then you have that rotation of
Speaker 1: guys that you already have on the roster at the moment.
Speaker 1: If you can put a guy who eats up that
Speaker 1: much space on the field and not give up any athleticism,
Speaker 1: like you don't get get lower as a defense, which
Speaker 1: you wouldn't and you think about the freaks that already
Speaker 1: work here. Yeah, I get I get the appeal of that.
Speaker 1: Sion Johnson's a good player, though too well. At the
Speaker 1: end of the I go, I mean, he's gonna plug
Speaker 1: and play. I go with Jeff, give me, give me
Speaker 1: seventy five snaps again, No, I mean and that's not
Speaker 1: and that's not the wrong way to think about Yeah though,
Speaker 1: I mean that, but to me that that's that's the
Speaker 1: one guy that I'm gonna look back and say, Man,
Speaker 1: you didn't see him how you needed to see him?
Speaker 1: All right? Good? Romantic good. Not not as much of
Speaker 1: an argument as I wanted. But that's okay. We got
Speaker 1: plenty more time for that, plenty of Clark day three.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. That's rude, is what that is. What's a fight.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We got plenty plenty more twists
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