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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Christian Sager. This

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Speaker 1: week we are rerunning one of our favorite and one

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Speaker 1: of our audiences most beloved episodes for the Halloween season,

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Speaker 1: the first of our Creepy Pasta Experiment episodes. Yeah, Creepy

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Speaker 1: Pasta a little strange nuggets of often unattributed horror fiction

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Speaker 1: on the Internet. We take them apart, we look at

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Speaker 1: some science that ties into them, and just discuss what

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Speaker 1: creepy pasta is in general. Yeah, we'll get into it.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the episode. We introduce you to what creepy pastas are,

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Speaker 1: and then we take a couple of them. We look

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Speaker 1: at the science behind them, a couple of things we

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Speaker 1: wanted to let you know beforehand. There is actually a

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Speaker 1: second Creepy Pasta episode if you like this one and

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Speaker 1: you want to hear more. We have one about Jeff

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Speaker 1: the Killer, and we are going to be recording a

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Speaker 1: third one for the October Halloween season sometime in the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks, so hopefully you will see that from

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Speaker 1: us soon. Yeah, and the stories we cover in it,

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Speaker 1: the pastas we cover in it our TBD. So if

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Speaker 1: there's one that's just really really just grinding away your

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Speaker 1: mind that you want us to to tease apart, let

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Speaker 1: us know and maybe we'll cover it. Yeah. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: just read two new ones today and I'm already the

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Speaker 1: gears are going. I'm already thinking about how we can

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Speaker 1: take these apart. But please let us know you got

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Speaker 1: one that you think is perfect for the show. Send

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Speaker 1: us an email, write us on social media. All right,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, creepy pasta. Today we're talking about creepy pasta,

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Speaker 1: which imagined there are three different responses out there. Some

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Speaker 1: people were probably going to creepy pasta, Love creepy pasta,

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Speaker 1: other people are going creepypasta, what are you doing covering that?

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Speaker 1: And other people are just flat up asking what the

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Speaker 1: hell is creepy creepy pasta? L dente? Yeah, it has

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Speaker 1: it the texture or that is it posta that shaped

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Speaker 1: like little ghosts. That's what entered my mind when I

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Speaker 1: first started hearing about it a few years back. But what,

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Speaker 1: let's explain what creepy pasta is for everyone who's not familiar, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I'm only recently familiar with this uh phenomenon, but

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Speaker 1: apparently around two thousand six h a a sort of

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Speaker 1: copy pasta, and I think it originated on four Chan

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Speaker 1: and then splintered off into several different genres in different areas.

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Speaker 1: The basic idea, though, is that you're creating uh content

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Speaker 1: that's like copy and pasted into an email or maybe

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Speaker 1: I think the two most ubiquitous examples of this. First

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Speaker 1: of all, emails from your grandma your uncle, like some

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Speaker 1: sort of ridiculous story about you know, somebody's putting disease

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Speaker 1: needles into convenience store machines, you know, or or watch

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Speaker 1: out for hoodlums throwing eggs at your car, or people

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Speaker 1: turning their lights on and off. You know. There's always

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Speaker 1: some sort of weird horror going on in your daily

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Speaker 1: actually research it, you'll see, oh, this is just a

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Speaker 1: the same couple of paragraphs that then copy and pasted

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Speaker 1: throughout the history of the Internet, and we just keep

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Speaker 1: following for it again and again. And creepy pasta is

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Speaker 1: But you'll also see stuff showing up on social media

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Speaker 1: of times you're doing some research, you're trying to find

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Speaker 1: also seen like wiki questions and message boards, you see

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Speaker 1: He's just as much as like Jason Vorhees or Freddy Krueger,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately his mythos is shrouded in mystery and contradictions. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little uh little LOGI I think is the

430
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Speaker 1: term this morning. But the basic breakdown of it goes

431
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: like this. We know that we are alertness lowers, right,

432
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: we have trouble concentrating. If you even lose ninety minutes

433
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: of sleep in one night compared to your average sleep schedule,

434
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: you'll be thirty two percent less alert the next day.

435
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: So I'm somewhere in that thirty today. Um, forty of

436
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: us drivers this is a scary part, scarier I think

437
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: than the creepy PASTA. Forty one percent of us drivers

438
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: admit to falling asleep behind the wheel because of this

439
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: lack of alertness. It also totally screws up our circadian rhythm. Uh,

440
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: So our body can't keep the correct time when we

441
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: haven't slept the right way. It's as if you're jet lagged,

442
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Uh. And we actually, on our sister show,

443
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: brain Stuff, have done both episodes on what happens when

444
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: you don't sleep and what happens with jet lag? And

445
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: there's some really interesting stuff about jet lag in relation

446
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: to uh light entering our eyes and how it interacts

447
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: with our brains. So if you want to dive in more,

448
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: there's stuff there. But because the circadian rhythm is impaired,

449
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: our motor skills are also impaired, and our hormones start

450
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: to rise and fall and these just very inappropriate ways.

451
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: We also lose memory. That's a common symptom of this.

452
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: So what we know is that when we sleep, it

453
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: consolidates our memories, basically takes the things that happened to us,

454
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: and it organizes it in such a way that helps

455
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Speaker 1: our cognitive function. It's kind of like a defragging of

456
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Speaker 1: the human absolute and if you're not running your defragment

457
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: defragg and if you're not running your defragger appropriately and enough,

458
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: then everything gets that that's screwed up up there. Yeah. Um.

459
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: In fact, like you start losing recall, you can even

460
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: create false memories, and it lowers your just general ability

461
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Speaker 1: to process information. Uh. And then this is a quote

462
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: directly from our house Stuff Works article on the effects

463
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: of sleep deprivation. UH quote. When we learn and store

464
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: information and our memory, that information is moved from the hippocampus,

465
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Speaker 1: which we know is the memory creating region of our

466
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: brain to the prefrontal cortex, specifically the neo cortex region,

467
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: which is where we form and store long term memories.

468
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: So you can see kind of biologically how this would

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00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: start to affect memory. There's also a process going on

470
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: where our body's glimphatic system cleans out our nervous system

471
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Speaker 1: while we're sleeping. But if you don't sleep, all of

472
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: this waste, I guess or trash starts to build up.

473
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Speaker 1: And but by trash, what I mean is it's cerebro

474
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: spinal fluid that's filled with proteins and toxins. It doesn't

475
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: get flushed out of your system, so subsequently you've got

476
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: that stuff floating around in there too. All of this

477
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: can lead to a speeding up of the progression of

478
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Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Yeah, it's it's important to note here

479
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: and distress here that when when when slept, sleep deprivation

480
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: is taking place, it's really messing with the chemistry of

481
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: the brain, the functioning of the brain, and ultimately our

482
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: perceptions of reality, both objective reality and subjective reality, playing

483
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: with our memories, our perceptions of the past. Uh hallucinations

484
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: are absolutely a symptom. Yeah, so we're we're it's it's

485
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: it's ultimately a very Nightmarrick scenario. Not you know, certainly

486
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: not out of keeping with the realm of creepy plasta

487
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: and horror. Oh yeah, certainly. I mean, I think that's

488
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: one of the things that's probably why this particular one

489
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: is one of the most popular, is that it's something

490
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: at their core. The science ce creepy Pasta's work best

491
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: when it's something that almost everyone can identify with. Lack

492
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: of sleep is something that I think every person reading

493
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: it can kind of imagine. Yeah, sleep is that realm

494
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: of mystery, and there there is enough science out there

495
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: even if one is not that familiar with it, it's

496
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: you can you can certainly at least see it there

497
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: on the internet. You know that there than there's been

498
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: researching to sleep. You know, there are sleep institutes that

499
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: that work with people who have trouble um. One of

500
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: the side effects of the sleep deprivation as well as

501
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: something that we've covered here on the show before is

502
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. So I know you've done a video on it,

503
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: and was there a previous podcast episode about sleep. It's

504
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: come up, it's come up a lot, Like anytime I've

505
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: covered something related to supernatural experience, UM, sleep paralysis always

506
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: always up there as a possible explanation for encounters with aliens,

507
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: encounters with ghosts. Uh and and I'll make sure we

508
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: link to some resources in the landing page for this episode.

509
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: But you know, essentially, it's a situation where when you

510
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: go to sleep, your body is put on lockdown, so

511
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: that if you get in a kung fu fight with

512
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: a bear in your dream, you won't throw any kung

513
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: fu strikes at the person sleeping next to you. But

514
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: in sleep paralysis, you wake up with your mind your

515
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: eyes open, but your body is still on lockdown and

516
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: you're in this this also in this weird phase between

517
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: dream and reality where uh, you're highly susceptible to hallucination. Yeah.

518
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: And in fact, I haven't seen it yet, but I'm

519
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: hoping to watch it this week. Um, have you heard

520
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: about The Nightmare? It's this documentary that's all about sleep paralysis.

521
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: This is the one from the guys that did the

522
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Room two seven. Yeah, it's the same creative team from

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00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Room two thirty seven. And I've heard that it is horrifying.

524
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: It's a documentary this is not a fictional film. But

525
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: as we know from you know, researching sleep paralysis in

526
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: the past, just the examples of what people think is

527
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: happening to them can be utterly terrifying. Yeah, because you're

528
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: you often have to your brain is referring back to

529
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: pre existing scripts for what you're encountering. You're hearing or

530
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: seeing something out of the ordinary, and your brain has

531
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: to make sense of it. And so it will turn

532
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: to that, uh that episode of the X Files that

533
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: you saw, or maybe it will think back to some

534
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: creepy pops if he read on the Internet, and use

535
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: that to inform what you're experiencing. So, before I go

536
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: into more symptoms about I get sleep depth, let's tie

537
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: back to that creepypasta story about the Russian sleep experiment. Then, so, yes,

538
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: hallucinations are possible. Uh so, I guess you could say

539
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: that there's a potential for going crazy or at least

540
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: losing the ability to distinguish reality from fantasy. Um, and

541
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: then sleep paralysis plays into that as well. Although they

542
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like tearing their own organs out and stuff

543
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: like that if they had sleep paralysis. Yeah, I don't

544
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: think you'd go full hell right, right. So okay, the

545
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: other really big thing that has a multiple effects on

546
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: your body when you don't get sleep is that your

547
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: genes aren't as efficient at handing out instructions to your body.

548
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: So we call this genetic expression, and it causes all

549
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: kinds of things. There's weight fluctuations. In fact, there's study

550
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: that showed that people who have less than seven to

551
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: nine hours a night of sleep are more likely to

552
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: be overweight. Uh And and I won't go into all

553
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: the numbers here, but basically the idea is like the

554
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: less sleep you get, them more likely you are to

555
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: be overweight. When you're forced to stay awake, what happens

556
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: is your body has trouble processing blood, sugar and lepton,

557
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: which is this protein hormone that regulates our appetite and

558
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: our metabolism. Uh And this can lead to type two diabetes,

559
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: can lead to weight gain, and due to your decreased

560
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: ability to process sugar, you're not as easily able to

561
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: suppress your food craving. So you know, if you're like me,

562
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: you're going to the fridge and having a lot of

563
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: ice cream late at night. Uh. It can also lead

564
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: to illness. So sleep deprivation diminishes our immune system, which

565
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: sometimes leads to serious or chronic illness. Blood pressure becomes

566
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: a problem. If you have less than six hours of

567
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: sleep at night, it puts you at high risk for

568
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: high blood pressure. This starts over taxing your heart. Also,

569
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: your brain doesn't have as much time to regulate the

570
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: stress hormones that are moving around in there, which also

571
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: leads to higher blood pressure. And then finally, death is

572
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a symptom of not sleeping. So and I don't mean

573
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: that like if you don't sleep, you'll just drop dead.

574
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: In fact, you die at a rate of two times

575
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: faster than people who have normal sleeping patterns if you're

576
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: sleep deprived. And we can look to certain experiments with

577
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: animals and if some animals certainly die without proper sleep,

578
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation and rodents and flies can cause death more

579
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: quickly than food deprivation. Uh, specifically, two weeks without sleep

580
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: can kill a lap rat. Okay, So, and that's about

581
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: as long as the Creepy Pasta experiment went on for

582
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: they were in there for about fifteen days before they

583
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: started ripping their skin off. And there's all kinds of

584
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: super gory stuff in that story. That also inappropriate Amazon purchases.

585
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: That was another stuff. Really they had Internet in the

586
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: ninety the skin off, they started making inappropriate online purchases

587
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: just because they believe altered state they're buying like curtains

588
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: made of human skin. Okay. So there's another scientific aspect

589
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to this story as well, right, and that is the

590
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: quote experimental gas based stimulant okay, which could I guess

591
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: be almost anything. It could be anything, and so it's

592
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: a little difficult for us to kind of narrow it

593
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: down and say, well, the actual effects would be this,

594
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: but I thought it was worth just kind of touching

595
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: on what gas does to our bodies. Right. So, any

596
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: type of gas, chlorine, sulfur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide, nitrogen dioxide, ammonia,

597
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: you name it, they're going to irritate your lungs and

598
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: some of them dissolve immediately, and uh, you know that's

599
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: when you experience the irritation your mouth, nose, and throat.

600
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you think about it, like when

601
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: you go to the gas station, you're pumping your gas

602
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: and you're inhaling stuff that's kind of a version of this, right, Um,

603
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: But the ones that don't easily dissolve, they don't produce

604
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: early warning signs, and this can lead to things like

605
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: fluid developing your lungs and airway. They can also trigger

606
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: allergic responses. These kind of responses can scar your lungs,

607
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: maybe leading to chronic bronchitis. If the gas is radioactive,

608
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: of course, it can lead to cancer. And if there's

609
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: body poisoning, it's gonna poison your body cells, right, So

610
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: if it's a poisonous gas, that's going to be lethal

611
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: to you as well. Uh, and it'll what will end

612
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: up doing is displacing the oxygen that's in your blood,

613
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: so you have less oxygen reaching your tissues. Carbon monoxide

614
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: itself doesn't appear to have any kind of neurological effects,

615
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: but levels below of like if you're exposed to it

616
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: can to decrease your mental performance. And one other study

617
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: that I found said that mustard gas affects mental health

618
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: even for people who have been exposed to it, like

619
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: up to twenty five years after their exposure. However, they

620
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: usually qualify that as like PTSD because their exposure the

621
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: mustard gas was probably in a traumatic situation like war. Um.

622
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: So all that is to say is that yes, gas

623
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: has physical effects on your body, and there are some

624
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: connections to mental problems, I guess, But but not like

625
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: within fifteen days you'd go absolutely insane and start ripping

626
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: off your skin. Maybe we just haven't found the right

627
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: chemical yet. Maybe so we you know, we haven't stumbled

628
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: across the right experiment. Declassified experiment from World War two

629
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: era Russian history. Now this next bit of creepy pasta,

630
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I found this one a lot of fun. This is

631
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: I think I probably like this one the most of

632
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: the ones that we looked at here for this episode. Uh.

633
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: In short, this one involves a supposed nineteen four British

634
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Secret Intelligence Service experiment aimed at modifying human blood. Here's

635
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: a quote. The chemical would modify the blood's chemical properties

636
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: and structure so that, if shot or cut, the blood

637
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: would have the ability to freeze or solidify to where

638
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: the person was shot. This would stop bleeding and can

639
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: make a person far stronger than an average human being. Now,

640
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: of course, as you as you you know can expect,

641
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: the experiment gets all dark and monster as this, turning

642
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: the test subjects into gray skin, blood eyed, jelly blooded,

643
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: thick skinned cannibals that run them up and as such,

644
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: they end up putting them all down, shutting down the experiment,

645
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: and deciding not to um alter the blood of British soldiers.

646
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: So I think I might have read a different version

647
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: than you, because mine ended with them escaping and it

648
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: was like, these crazy super soldiers are out there somewhere.

649
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: They're homicidal and they could get you. Maybe there are

650
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: a couple of versions of it, and that's what the

651
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: beauty of creepy pasta that it can change. It's a

652
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: morphous it's it's a collective create a scenario. I kept

653
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: thinking of them as being basically Wolverine from the X Men,

654
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: like like they they all their wounds heal immediately, right,

655
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: because the I think one of the things is like

656
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: immediately after this test, they like stab him in the

657
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: leg and then shoot him in the arm to see

658
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: what happens, and like the wounds seal up immediately, right.

659
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: But it also makes them kind of feral and crazy

660
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: and try to kill everybody. Yeah, I kind of pictured

661
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: him looking like creatures from a tool video running them up. Yeah. Yeah. Well.

662
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: One of the things I loved about this particular one

663
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: is is how much it adhered to the idea of

664
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: it being an actual lab report. It said a copy

665
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: of this lab report can be found somewhere deep within

666
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: the old m I five building in London. I like

667
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that the idea, Like everybody who lives in London knows

668
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: about the old m I five building. You can just

669
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: pop by and down and check out the file. That's

670
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: why they're there. Uh. And they actually name three chemicals

671
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Russian study. They actually name the

672
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: chemicals that these guys are exposed to no mo fungan, pepprophora,

673
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: midadine in communison. However, in my version it was misspelled

674
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: as communism, so it was like they were exposed to

675
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: these two chemicals and communism maybe commune isn't wait what

676
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: is it? Commune sin? Maybe communistin is uh is a

677
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: a drug that causes communism communism inducing you know what?

678
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: That would possibly have as much validity as the rest

679
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: of this story. I feel like like that was one

680
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: of the drugs in RoboCop two or something. Right. Yeah, Well,

681
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: the idea that they said here was that those chemicals

682
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: modified human blood chemical properties, allowing them to solidify or

683
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: freeze when the body is damaged. And they list a

684
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: couple of other things that they do to solidify the blood.

685
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: So I just want to mention these quickly because this

686
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: is kind of their scientific basis for things. Uh. They

687
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: increased the blood plasma in the subjects, removed the thromba

688
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: sites from their blood, modified the medulla oblongata in their

689
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: brains so that it would be familiar with the modified

690
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: blood cells. And then they removed forward four to six

691
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: percent of their blood volume because I guess the idea

692
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: of being that once they've done all this other stuff,

693
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: their blood is thicker and subsequently like takes up more

694
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: space in their circulatory system. Uh. And they also said

695
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: that they weren't allowed to give any food or painkillers

696
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: to the subjects for at least twenty four hours, which

697
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I like because that's basically what they do to you

698
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: when you like go in for prep surgery anyways. Uh.

699
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: And then um, the doctors after the experiment determined that

700
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the pH value of the blood in these guys was

701
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: lower than normal. Uh. And they think the chemical caused

702
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: aggression by modifying the medulla oblongata. So this is where

703
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: I want to start with the science on this one,

704
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: because I you know, within five minutes was able to

705
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: look up that the medulla oblangada doesn't really have a

706
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: whole to do with our emotion and aggression. In fact,

707
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: this is the you know, it's commonly known as the

708
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: brain stem. It controls our reflexes and autonomic functions, uh,

709
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: limb movements, visceral functions. It's basically you know, things like

710
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: blood pressure, breathe. There you go, aggression. But so uh yeah,

711
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: unless they're like, uh, you know, discovering new things about

712
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: that part of the brain that we don't necessarily know.

713
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that that that would have been the cause.

714
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: If I was on the review committee for this academic article,

715
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: I would probably point that out now. It's also worth

716
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: noting here that this is not to be confused with

717
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: the Luftwaffe as freezing experiments hypothermia that took place at

718
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: the dock al and Offfitch uh during the Second World War. Uh.

719
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Those were actually dealing with what happens when the bloody

720
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: body freezes. This is ultimately about coagulation and healing and

721
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: how to how our our bodies heal and what we

722
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: can do to speed that process up, especially as far

723
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: as internal bleeding goes. And there has been some interesting

724
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: research in this area, researchers trying to figure out ways

725
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: to to speed up coagulation, speed up healing, and deal

726
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: especially with military scenarios where you need to you need

727
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: to take care of either a need for blood or

728
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: a need for for blood to do its job deep down.

729
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: If you follow like science and tech feeds, like like

730
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: like we do for work, you end up seeing a

731
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of these. I'd say at least once a week

732
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: there's some kind of update on uh, either something that's

733
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: designed to seal a wound faster or you know, affect

734
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: the blood as such. Ye. Yes, I started playing the

735
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: latest metal gear thing. Oh yeah, Phantom Pain is that

736
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: what it's called? Yeah, where it's like ground zero. I

737
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: think it's the one like the free this month, So

738
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: I checked it out. And you get wounded to a

739
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: certain amount and you like spray your wound with a

740
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: little area. Yeah. But um. The first to discuss here

741
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: about blood science and kind of cool blood science is

742
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: there's a Cleveland, Ohio biotech firm called Arterial Site and

743
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: they made headlines in two thousand ten with the development

744
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: of an artificial, genetically engineered blood for use on the battlefield.

745
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: So we're talking typo negative. Of course, here universal blood donor.

746
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: Because you're gonna make artificial blood, everybody should be able

747
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: to use it. Yeah, and this would allow for mobile

748
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: blood banks and war zones. You wouldn't have to worry

749
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: about shortages back home and then the lengthy shipments that

750
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: decrease the shelf life for the blood samples you need.

751
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: You need blood on the on the field, say an Afghanistan,

752
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: then you have a machine that will help create it

753
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: right now, presumably. Yeah, that's my question I guess, is that, like,

754
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: are they creating this on site in the in a

755
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: battlefield scenario, or is it like they created in America

756
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: and then they shipped just all of this genetically engineered

757
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: blood to wherever the war zone is. I think the

758
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: latter is probably the more immediate goal. But my understanding

759
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: based on the reading, is that ultimately that's where they

760
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: want to get. It's to where you can have at

761
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: least a local blood hub, you know, whereas if it's

762
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: it's like a three D printer of blood. Yeah, like

763
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: at the very least you're like shiving it in from

764
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: the closest military base that's opposed to all the way

765
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: around the world. Um, they received one million dollars stuff

766
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: for the project front through DARPA. And last that it

767
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: was really reported on UH they had shipped off samples

768
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: to DARPA. And we're hoping to up production to bring

769
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: costs down from five thousand dollars per unit of blood

770
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: to around one thousand per unit. And just to give

771
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: everyone a reminder, one unit equals about a pint in.

772
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: The average human contains eight to ten points. So in

773
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: order to make enough for humans, it's like, at their

774
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: low end, going to be eight to ten thousand dollars

775
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: worth of blood. Yeah, and the average soldier needs six

776
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: units during trauma treatment, you know, because you're talking about

777
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: situations with a lot of blood is lost. I wonder

778
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: how that compares to just the leg good old you

779
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: know Red Cross, you know, going and giving your blood

780
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: volunteer type thing. Well, I mean, of course, then again

781
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: you're dealing with all different blood types, and and then

782
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: and then a rigorous screening process to figure out which

783
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: samples are appliable and shipping, yeah, and shipping, which again

784
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: hurts the shelf life. So the process here is pretty interesting.

785
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: Scientists harvest HEMEO to pedic cells from the umbilical cords

786
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: and via a process called farming that's p H A

787
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: R M I N g uh, they turn one umbilical

788
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: cord into twenty units of of package blood. This takes

789
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: place of the course of three days according to initial

790
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: reports through Wired magazine, where they getting all the umbilical

791
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: cords from babies. Man, if you can if baby, if

792
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: you find babies where the parents are not going to

793
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, dry it and bet it or feed it themselves, Uh,

794
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: then yeah, the umbilical cord is as has a lot

795
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: of valuable material in it. So this is a thing

796
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: that as a someone who doesn't have kids that I'm

797
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: woefully unaware of. That's like when you go in and

798
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: have the procedure and everything for giving birth, they're just

799
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: like a you know, in the paperwork, it's a box

800
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: that you check. That's something like, I want the umbilical cord.

801
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: I assume. I mean, we did not go through that

802
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: process with my son, so I'm not I'm not exactly

803
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: sure how it rolls out in real time, but I'm

804
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: guessing there's a box that you in a panic to

805
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, pre birth days, you check or you don't.

806
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Otherwise there's just like a bio hazard bag filled with

807
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: umbilical cords that they then ship off to do so.

808
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: Ultimately that we're talking about the rapid expansion of umbilical

809
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: cord blood sped up even more through the use of

810
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: what's called nanex technology. This is a nano fiber based

811
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: structure that mimics bone marrow and bone marrows where blood

812
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: cells generally multiply and at a greater rate. So yeah,

813
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's

814
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: it's crazy science fiction ey and and I think would

815
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: lend itself well to a little tweaking. I mean, you're

816
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: talking about, ultimately the discarded pieces of a baby that

817
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: are used to create blood for soldiers in the field

818
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and potentially vampires, right right, Yeah, I mean, well that's

819
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: where this would naturally ahead as a Daybreakers situation. You

820
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: make these soldiers, they become vampires, and then they vampirize

821
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the population, So it's a planet of vampires.

822
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I wonder if vampires prefer OH negative as a universal

823
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: donor or does that mean it's just probably too common? Right,

824
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: It's like the Coca Cola of blood, all right, So

825
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: that's artificial blood. But then there's the use of healing

826
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: factor nanoparticles in the blood all right, So this is

827
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: straight up wolverine healing factor is right out of the

828
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: X men exactly. This is where we're getting into, at

829
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: least the near future version of that UM. So there

830
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: are different substances that can be used as a coagulant

831
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: to help with excessive bleeding. Of course, the bad way

832
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: to deal with excessive bleeding on the surfaces to apply

833
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: pressure when it's a wound that can be treated in

834
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: that manner to die or a wound um But a

835
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: two thousand nine study published in the journal Science Translational

836
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Medicine introduced the use of injectable synthetic nanoparticles or nano

837
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: platelets that curb bleeding. So normally blood platelets at a

838
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: wound site buying together in order to plug that wound. Right,

839
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: These these nano platelets, what they do is they mimic

840
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: platelet structure, so they augment the process bonding with natural

841
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: blood platelets and acting as a nanostructure. So it's like

842
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: throwing in a bunch of a bunch of extras. To say,

843
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: you're to television taping and the crowds looking kind of thin,

844
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: get some extras in there make it look nice and

845
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: thick for the cameras. So yeah, that's what I'm kind

846
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: of thinking that it's like a thickening process, like almost

847
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: like a blood plasma kind And what's more, though, this

848
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: the best part about this is again not the use

849
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: of this at at the skin level, but the ability

850
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: to to get down and stop deep and internal bleeding

851
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: more easily. Again, you can't just apply pressure if you're

852
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: dealing with bleeding inside the body. Yeah, there's got to

853
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: be so many potential hazards with this though, too. I

854
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: would imagine given the like I mean, like our blood

855
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: is like it's got that Goldilocks factor to it, right,

856
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: it has to be like just right. It can't be

857
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: too thick and it can't be too thin otherwise there's

858
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: all there's a whole host of problems I'll get into

859
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: later that you know can affect your body. Oh yeah,

860
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: like I'm instantly thinking too back to last season of

861
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: The Nick. Oh I've only seen a couple episodes. Yeah,

862
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: there's some pretty horrific It's like, you know, turn of

863
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: the century hospital, brilliant surgeon, and at one point he

864
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: gets obsessed with blood transfusion and trying to figure out,

865
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: like what's the key, right, it's really rough stuff. But

866
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: but in this case with these particularly a particular nano

867
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: platelets that they found that the stuff has had bleeding

868
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: time and wounded rats. And just a couple of years later,

869
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, the Massachusetts General Hospital Center

870
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: for Engineering and Medicine developed a way to deliver nano

871
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: spheres containing keratinosite growth factor or KGF, suspended in a

872
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: fibrin gel. Uh So, again, the advantage here would be

873
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: to deal with the targeted treatment of deep wounds as

874
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: opposed to trying to treat the whole body and just

875
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: get at it um. So this is right. So the

876
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: difference between this and Wolverine is that, like, you don't

877
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: just heal immediately from any wound. You have a wound

878
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: and then they apply these nanospheres to you. And the

879
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: thing with the nanopolatelist, it wouldn't be a matter of

880
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: as we see in the creepy post. It wouldn't be

881
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: like we've changed the blood of the soldiers, you know.

882
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: It's this is a way to treat the blood of

883
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: a soldier at a wound site and try to speed

884
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: up the healing. Well, Okay, So you may recall that

885
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: at the top of when we were talking about this

886
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: experiment that I mentioned, they had three particular chemicals that

887
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: they mentioned. I assumed these were fictional, but I decided

888
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: to look them up. No mo funcan peppro formiddine, and

889
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: commune sin turns out, at least as far as I

890
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: can tell, that they are real things. However, there were

891
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: a few links that definitely looked like they were fake

892
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: that we're potential. Uh, I'm gonna guess like fake sources

893
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: to back up the creepy pasta story. But then there

894
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: were a lot of legitimate academic chemistry articles about these

895
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: that were behind firewalls I couldn't access. But I did

896
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: get access to one that was called Synthetic Studies towards

897
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Commune Sin's and it was published in the Israel Israel

898
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: Journal of Chemistry. In and this I could barely understand

899
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: it because it was written in such deep chemistry language. However,

900
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: this is what I got out of it. Uh, these

901
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: are basically the same chemicals. They're like synthesized chemicals that

902
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: are isolated from a marine fungal strain of a Penicilla

903
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: penicillum species. And that there's a possible use for these

904
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: as an insecticide. They're also cytotoxic against certain tumor cells.

905
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: So I think that they're being investigated for those possible applications. Uh.

906
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: And then they were first isolated in so yeah, they

907
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: really exist. It sounds like it doesn't sound like their

908
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: usage though, is to you know, plug up blood or

909
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: make blood freeze or anything like that. But I mean,

910
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess we're looking at the standard trick here, right.

911
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: You you draw a little science terminology out, you throw

912
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: it in there in a way where you're not too specific,

913
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: and it's harder for the the average reader to look

914
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: at it and call bs uh, And so it gives

915
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: it that science vibe and let me to invest a

916
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: little more creepy bust. They did a great job. Whoever

917
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: wrote this did a great job with the that application

918
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: of of these chemicals, because not only were they like

919
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: difficult to find information on, but also they're so relatively

920
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: new in the in in the research it's being done

921
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: on them, that there isn't a whole lot out there.

922
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: I guess it could be plausible that, you know, somebody

923
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: comes up with his magical synthetic chemical that can freeze

924
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: your blood. UM. And real quick, let's just talk about

925
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: what happens when your blood is thickened or frozen in

926
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: certain situations. First of all, it's very rare that you

927
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: could freeze human beings blood while it was still inside

928
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: their body. The hypothalamust constantly tries to keep the core

929
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: of our bodies warm, so it constricts our blood supprise

930
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: supply to the core of our bodies, essentially removing it

931
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: from the extremities if necessary. So that's why you get

932
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: those instances of like frostbite where people's fingers or toes

933
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: fall off and stuff like that. Um. But even in

934
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: cryonics when they're going to freeze somebody's body, your blood

935
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: isn't frozen from what I understand reading about it. Your

936
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: body is usually injected with something called heperin, which is

937
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: an anticoagulant, and the reason why is to prevent blood

938
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: clotting while you're under I don't know what's the proper

939
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: term under freeze freezer. Um. And then lastly, there is

940
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: a there there are a couple different UH diseases that

941
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: lead to blood thickening. One in particular is called Hughes syndrome.

942
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: And that's an abnormal immune system response that causes your

943
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: blood to thicken. Basically, the idea here is it sounds

944
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: similar to the nanotech we were talking about earlier. It

945
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: causes your blood platelets to clump together. But this can

946
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: be very dangerous, like I was saying earlier, because it

947
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 1: can lead to thrombosis, which can subsequently lead to something

948
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: like a heart attack or a stroke or I suppose

949
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: even an annual him But no cannibalism, Nope, they don't

950
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: have that yet. Alright, alright, well, now we're gonna turn

951
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: to the third section here and and this one we're

952
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: really drawing on two different, uh creepy pastas, which will

953
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: we'll refer to here in short. One is the Harbinger

954
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: experiment and the other one is Gateway of the Mind,

955
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: and they both resolve and they both revolve around the

956
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: same thing. Really, so the Harbinger Experiment, this creepy pasta

957
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: is this is a bit long, and it it kind

958
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: of reads like, you know, average weird fiction story. Really,

959
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: the basics here is it's some inner prolonged isolation experiment

960
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: with an occult twist, some entity that's summoned into the

961
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: bodies of the patients by this mysterious doctor Zimmerman. Zimmerman

962
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: wants to prove the existence of the spirit realm by

963
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: trapping a spirit in a human body, a human body

964
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: that he's injected with a compound that somehow prevents the

965
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: spirit from leaving again while the host is still alive.

966
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Right right, And yeah, if I remember this one, correct, Like,

967
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: Zimmerman is like fantastically rich and like does all of

968
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: this at like an off site, hidden bunker underground where

969
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: he's like hired his own private army and team of researchers. Right,

970
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: so you canna imagine how it ends up, right, right,

971
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, and now the the other

972
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: one is Gateway of the Mind and do you want

973
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: to roll the Yeah, this one is an interesting one.

974
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: So the idea with this is that there's this team

975
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: of scientists. The story refers to them as deeply pious scientists, uh,

976
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: and that the idea is that they want to prove

977
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: the existence of God. So their theory is that without

978
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: sensory input, that human beings would be able to perceive

979
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: the presence of God. So and that they interfere with

980
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: some kind of holy signal. Right, So what they do

981
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: is they take this elderly volunteer and they surgically cut

982
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: out nerves so he can't see here, taste, smell, or

983
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: feel uh, and he can he he can't communicate, but

984
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: he can, like you can clearly talk. He's sort of

985
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: like yells, Yeah, I don't think he knows what's going

986
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: on around him, but he like yells out things about

987
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: what he's experiencing. But he's basically alone with his thoughts,

988
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: and Yeah, what happens is he goes totally crazy. He

989
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: says that he's talking to ghosts. He's able to like

990
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: use information from the ghosts to like prove that there's

991
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: something supernatural going on to the researchers, right bat like

992
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: revealing secrets about them that nobody else would know. And

993
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: then at the very end, he tells them that he's

994
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: a he's had a conversation with God and and God

995
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: has abandoned us. Okay, well, I feel like it kind

996
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: of loses a little steam there at the end, with

997
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: like like maybe maybe the message that he revealed shouldn't

998
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: be so explicit, but I'm I'm I'm not picking him. Yeah,

999
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: they sort of like this the author or authors of

1000
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: this creepy pasta. It seems like God is sort of

1001
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: kg about getting in touch with this guy who doesn't

1002
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: have his five senses. Like the ghosts show up pretty quickly,

1003
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: but God like waits until like the absolute last minute,

1004
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: and all he does just say like, hey, I've abandoned

1005
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm on vacation for the week. So both

1006
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: of these, on one level, they deal with this idea

1007
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: of like, let's scientifically prove the afterlife and and there

1008
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: have been a number of experiments and sort of studio

1009
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: experiments that have gone into that. We have a whole

1010
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: episode of stuff to blow your mind to deals with

1011
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: soul weighing experiments that tried to show that the soul

1012
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: has weight, and therefore there is a soul, there is

1013
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: some part of us that's immortal and to death. Um,

1014
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: there there's real science behind that too. Isn't there like

1015
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: a particular like I remember like that there's like a

1016
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: very specific weight that they said that oh yeah, there's

1017
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: that disappears when you die or something like that. Right, yeah,

1018
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: I think twenty one Graham was the number of those

1019
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: as we discussed in that episode, which I'll link to

1020
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: on the landing page for this episode. Uh, you know,

1021
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: there's some science applied. It's very rough and even though

1022
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, there are some more recent theories

1023
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: that are in arresting. But both of these experiments ultimately

1024
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: deal with isolation. Right, what happens when someone is isolated

1025
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: from from sensory input particularly Uh in the case of

1026
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: the experience we're gonna discuss here, you put them in

1027
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: a room, you put them in solitary confined. Yeah, what

1028
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: happens when you deprive us of our environment that we've

1029
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: evolved to thrive within. What happens to the mind? Yeah,

1030
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: And so I think it's worth mentioning here before we

1031
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: get into the science of it, of what happens when

1032
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: you're deprived of your senses and for that matter of

1033
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: social interaction. That both Robert and I have gone into

1034
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: sensory deprivation tanks before, so we have personal experience with this. Uh.

1035
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: In my case, I didn't hallucinate, which seems to be

1036
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: a common symptom that people have. But it was enjoyable.

1037
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: It was peaceful. You basically lay inside a big tank

1038
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: that's dark, laying on top of salt water. Uh. For

1039
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: in my case, it was about an hour long. Yeah. Uh,

1040
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: and um, you know because of the water, your ears

1041
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: are plugged out. Oh no, you I wore ear plugs.

1042
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: But there the water also keeps you from really being

1043
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: able to hear anything. Uh. You can't see anything, you

1044
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: don't really feel anything other than the water. Uh and

1045
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: the taste of salty air. Yeah. When I went into it,

1046
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about how salty it was gonna be,

1047
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: and how that there's a good point, a good portion

1048
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: of the float experience that has spent reacting to the

1049
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: feel of the salt water, the smell of the salt water,

1050
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: and and just sort of getting past that. Yeah, I

1051
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: guess I should clarify that there's so much salt water

1052
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: that you float to the top like you're not just

1053
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: laying in it. Yeah, like you instantly are acquainted with

1054
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: any random nicks or scratches or which is on your

1055
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: body because now they have tons of salt pressing up

1056
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: against them. So we've had a number of of studies

1057
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: that have looked at at what happens when you put

1058
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: somebody in solitary confinement, when you isolate someone from stemming. Lie. Uh.

1059
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: There's a two thousand thirteen pieces on from Wire Magazine

1060
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: by Brandon Kime, titled The Horrible Psychology of Solitary Confinement,

1061
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: and it takes a nice look at horrifying topic, pointing

1062
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: out the solitary confinement has been shown to make prisoners

1063
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: extremely anxious, to make them angry, make them hallucinate, experienced

1064
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: mood swings and flatness, the loss of impulse control, and

1065
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: this is all on top of aggravating any pre existing

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Speaker 1: mental illnesses. Um. So they We've looked at solitary confinement

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Speaker 1: many times from a scientific standpoint in the past, and

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Speaker 1: it generally comes in ways responding to trends and concerns

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Speaker 1: related to modern incarcin incarceration, So the mid eighteen hundreds

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Speaker 1: or concern and interest in this. In the nineteen fifties,

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: it popped up again due in part of his reaction

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: to the Korean War um prisoners of war and how

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: they were allegedly treated, and then it rose up again

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01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties with you know, some research spread

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: out in between, but those are sort of the big periods.

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Speaker 1: So I have to say, like every time, like I

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Speaker 1: read a fictional account or watch a TV show er

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: movie where it's a prison setting and somebody does something

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: wrong and get sent to solitary. My first thought is

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01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: always like that sounds great, Yeah, like, oh yeah, you

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: get to be away from all the craziness. And do

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: you sit all by yourself in a room and hang

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01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: out and sleep and you're alone with your thoughts. However,

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as peaceful as I'm imagining it

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: to be based on these experiments, right, and and also

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: on other things we know, and it's based on accounts

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01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: where people just talk about it is just this brutalization

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: of the mind. Essentially, in absence of stimuli, we focus

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 1: on what little stimuli there is. Our brains are made

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01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: for a world of you know, fixed and moving objects,

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01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: of varied environmental actions going on, not a limited cell.

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: So you get in there, your brain is up chewing

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: on itself. Uh. May, maybe it's some detail in the cell.

1094
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's um, it's something in your memory. Your brain

1095
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: finds something to focus on and sort of recreate the

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01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: world you've been robbed off out of its limited pieces.

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: And this is the Hannibal Elector style, like like forming

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: what does he call it his memory palace? Yeah? I

1099
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: think he doesn't. He paint the walls with to resemble

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01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: Florence or something. It depends on the iteration of Hannibal.

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the TV show which just ended, I believe,

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01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: once they actually incarceraate him, like he just constructs it

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: all inside it like he can, like because he's such

1104
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: a crazed genius, he can like go inside his memory

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Speaker 1: palace and it's like he's in a church in Florence

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. So, like basically that's what

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01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: your brain wants to do, but oftentimes you don't have

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01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: and you don't have that rich tapestry to to to

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01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: draw on. What you have are maybe some traumatic memories

1110
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: from your incarceration. Maybe it's you know, some weird markings

1111
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: on the wall or something that's troubling you in the

1112
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: back of your mind, and that's what gets flowed up.

1113
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: That's what is blown out to your new virtual world. Yeah.

1114
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: Well so I O I and actually has a really

1115
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: nice summary piece, less about um the isolation part, but

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: more about the sensory deprivation and guess who came up

1117
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: at the beginning of their article. It was the good

1118
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: old John C. Lily Uh character that often seems to

1119
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: come up on stuff to blow your mind. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we've talked recently about maybe doing an episode just about

1121
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: him and you. You were the one who told me

1122
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: I think that. Uh. He was the inspiration for Altered States, right,

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01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of my go to, UM pop culture

1124
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: movie reference for sensory deprivation tanks. He claimed that when

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Speaker 1: he was in a sensory deprivation tank, it allowed him

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: to make contact with creatures from another dimension. Uh, and

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: they're from a civilization that was far more advanced than

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Speaker 1: our own. Uh. So that is, I guess kind of

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: close to the Harbinger story. Although I don't know necessarily

1130
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: that John C. Lily is a reliable source. Um he is.

1131
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: He's a kind of a problematic source, but a fascinating one.

1132
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: But hallucinations are absolutely real, um people. We definitely know

1133
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: people have hallucinations when they're deprived of their senses. Renowned

1134
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: physicist Richard Feynman has described having them when he was

1135
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: in a sensory deprivation chamber. We have lots of examples

1136
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: of studies that have been done. Uh. Both meditation and

1137
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: senor sensory deprivation are linked to decreased alpha waves and

1138
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: increased theta waves within our brains. These are the same

1139
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: things that we we find when we're in a sleeping state,

1140
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: and in fact, we're going to find as we kind

1141
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: of go through this sensory deprivation stuff that there's a

1142
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: lot of connections to what we were talking about earlier

1143
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,959
Speaker 1: with the Russian sleep experiment story of sleep. So there's

1144
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: a connection between the isolation and the sleep stuff, at

1145
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: least in how our brains work. Uh. There's an investigation,

1146
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: uh in two thousand nine that showed that some people

1147
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: within fifth teen minutes of sensory deprivation will have hallucinations triggered. Uh.

1148
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: And however, I will qualify it by saying that this

1149
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: particular study, they the people that they got for this

1150
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: study purposely were scored low on what is called they

1151
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: revised hallucination scale. I'd love to know that test, how

1152
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: they how they how they determine that basically what this

1153
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: man was like these people, I think we're in like

1154
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: the lower twenty percentile of people who are are likely

1155
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: to have hallucinations. Now, it's also worth noting that that

1156
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: this kind of isolation warps our perception of time, and

1157
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, part of that you get into the whole

1158
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: just a relative nature of time. Right. An hour spent

1159
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: in a boring waiting room is far different than an

1160
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: hour spent at the carnival. Right. So, sociologist and caving

1161
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: enthusiast Maresio Mantobini spent three hundred and sixty six days

1162
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: in an Italian cave to replicate a long solitary space flight.

1163
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, what would be the experience of staying in

1164
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: a little tube on your way to march right. Uh.

1165
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: When he emerged, he was convinced only two d and

1166
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: nineteen days had passed, uh, instead of three hundred and

1167
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: sixty six, So his sleep wave cycles had nearly doubled

1168
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: in this in this scenario. So there's another connection. Your

1169
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: senses are inherently connected, I guess to your circadian rhythm.

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01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: That gets back to what I was talking about earlier

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: with light and jet lag. Uh. There's another crazy story

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: that we have an instance of this in nineteen sixty one.

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01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a French geologist named Michel Sifra who studied an

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01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: underground glacier beneath the French Alps, and he ended up

1175
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: staying for two months instead of his anticipated two weeks.

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01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: And what happened was he basically decided to stop doing

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Speaker 1: his study and live like an animal. That's quote, I

1178
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: think that's his quote, live like an animal. Uh. And

1179
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: when he was tested back on the surface, when his

1180
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: team and they got him out, they found that it

1181
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: took him five minutes to count to one twenty seconds.

1182
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: So it definitely interferes with our perceptions of time. Yeah,

1183
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: and therefore also ends up warping our sleep and in

1184
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: the the way that plays into how we use our time.

1185
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: For reasons that we're still not sure about it. It Uh,

1186
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: it really blows out your sleep cycle. So most underground

1187
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: dwellers shift to a forty eight hour cycle, thirty six

1188
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: hours of activity followed by twelve hours of sleep. I

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: don't know if well, I suppose if I was in

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: the right environment, I would shift over to that, but

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01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could be awake for thirty

1192
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: six hours straight. Um. One of the key series of

1193
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: experiments here and again I mentioned the you know, the

1194
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: different boom periods for for isolation experimentation. Uh. This was

1195
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: McGill University Medical Center in Montreal, where psychologist Donald Hebb

1196
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: led several key isolation experiments in the late fifties. Again,

1197
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: this is after the Korean Wars find to somew treatment. Uh,

1198
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: volunteer students were put in soundproof cubicles. They even gave

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Speaker 1: them trans hallucin visors, cotton gloves, cardboard cuffs to you know,

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: keep them from feeling the way that doesn't involve slicing nerves.

1201
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: We gave them U shaped pillows turn on some white noise,

1202
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,919
Speaker 1: and they found that the test stuff just became restless

1203
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,919
Speaker 1: and mirror hours and in some cases became anxious and emotional.

1204
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: U their abilities in arithmetic and word association test quickly

1205
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: took a dive. And then uh, the hallucinations points of

1206
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: light lines or shapes eventually bizarre seeing such ads and

1207
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: these are at actual scenes. Hallucinations are crazy? Is there

1208
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: like the kind of urban legend hallucinations you hear, like, well,

1209
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: such and such kid took LSD and then he saw

1210
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: this for the rest of his life or whatever, right,

1211
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: like these are nuts? Yeah? And speaking of nuts, yeah,

1212
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: the first squirrels marching with sacks over their shoulders. Another one,

1213
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: processions of eyeglasses filing down a street. One one person

1214
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: only saw dogs, another one only saw babies. Um, and

1215
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: they had no control over the visuals. They're just rolling

1216
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: them out. So this this reminds me of two things.

1217
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, what we said earlier about

1218
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: the brain focusing on a one little thing, It just

1219
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: it has to fill up your world, and it ends

1220
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: up filling your world up with a babby. Just yeah,

1221
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: and I don't I think it was like lots of babies.

1222
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like a baby or two. It was like,

1223
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,959
Speaker 1: I think this person was just hallucinating hordes of babies,

1224
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: which sounds like the scariest horror movie never made. And again,

1225
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: it's like they had no control over. So this is

1226
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: the kind of perhaps some people who engage in meditation

1227
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: or yoga can relate to this. But when I am

1228
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: finishing yoga, sometimes, when I'm in shivasana, I get to

1229
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: experience some level of hallucination that I don't have control over.

1230
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: It's often just lights and stuff, you know, but you're

1231
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: just sort of watching it transpire. You're not directly influencing

1232
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. Yeah, absolutely, I've I've had similar situations before,

1233
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: although nothing doble, which is apparently what happened in this

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: McGill's study. Right, Yeah, there were some audible hallucinations. They're

1235
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: hearing music, they're hearing sounds, tactile hallucinations where they touched

1236
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: the door knob and I think they feel a shock

1237
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: or another person said that they felt pellets hitting their skin. Yeah.

1238
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: So basically the gist of this is that they weren't

1239
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: even able to finish this study. They wanted it to

1240
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: be several weeks long, but everyone became so distressed and

1241
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: had so much trouble that they just ended the study. Uh,

1242
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: they only lasted a few days in isolation, none of

1243
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: them lasted more than a week, and they reported, you know,

1244
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: they were unable to think clearly the whole time. They

1245
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: were actually more susceptible to suggestion after they got out. So,

1246
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: for instance, one of the things that they did was

1247
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: suggest to them, uh, while they were sorry, while they

1248
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: their their senses were deprived, they suggested to them that

1249
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: ghosts were real. And then when they got out of

1250
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: the situation, they asked them questions about the paranormal and

1251
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: these people were now more likely to think that ghosts

1252
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: were real, which lent credence to this idea that, you know,

1253
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: there was this paranoid idea that the Soviets were using

1254
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: sensory deprivation in some kind of way to brainwash people, right,

1255
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: like a Manchurian candidate kind of situation, And so that

1256
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 1: subsequently led to even more research in this area, also

1257
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: done at at McGill. This guy d Ewen Cameron. He

1258
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,480
Speaker 1: was the head of McGill's psychiatry department in the fifties

1259
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: and he was inspired by Heav's work, so he began

1260
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: employing sensory deprivation as part of a technique called psychic driving.

1261
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: This is something we should probably do an episode on

1262
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: UH and his unsuccessful attempt to reprogram the minds of

1263
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: mentally ill patients. So basically he justified this saying, you

1264
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: know this, this was something that was sort of necessary

1265
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: so that we could better understand the mind and lieu

1266
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: of the Soviet brainwash characters. UM. Ultimately, the patients, some

1267
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: of them ended up suing him afterwards, and UH. In

1268
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties six he wrote in the American Journal of

1269
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: Psychiatry that he would hypnotize schizophrenic patients under the stimulant

1270
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: drugs and after prolonged psychological isolation. So, like we were

1271
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: saying earlier, like let's say you're a prisoner and you're

1272
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: putting solitary confinement and you're already mentally ill. Like, that's

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Speaker 1: not going to help the situation. This guy was like

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Speaker 1: doing that to people on purpose and then throwing drugs

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Speaker 1: into the mix. Uh, and then finally, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: ultimately like this is a real ethics violation. I think

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Speaker 1: this is one of those things that probably led to

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Speaker 1: the strict adherence to institutional review boards that we have nowadays.

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Speaker 1: In most studies, these people were sick, they had mental illness,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to get help, but instead they were

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Speaker 1: just subjected to this kind of brutal research that seemed

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Speaker 1: to be largely stimulated by the Cold War. Just have

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Speaker 1: one more study on all this. In two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: psycholog just Ian Robbins created recreated HEAVS experiments and in

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Speaker 1: collaboration with the BBC, and in this they isolated six

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Speaker 1: volunteers for forty eight hours and soundproof rooms, all this

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Speaker 1: taking place in a former UM nuclear bunker. This sounds

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Speaker 1: fairly close to the Harbinger. It does, and they've had

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Speaker 1: similar results that anxiety, extreme emotions, paranoia, significant deterioration in

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Speaker 1: their mental functioning, and of course crazy hallucinations. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to list these hallucinations because they're just

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Speaker 1: as bonkers, isn't the first batch one person hallucinated a

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Speaker 1: heap of five thousand empty oyster shells, And then there

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Speaker 1: are other things like a snake zebras, tiny cars, the

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Speaker 1: room taking off I think, like flying a bunch of mosquitoes,

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Speaker 1: and then this one that there are fighter planes flying

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Speaker 1: and buzzing around within the room. So yeah, so the

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Speaker 1: deprivation can definitely uh twist your mind. Yeah, you remove

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Speaker 1: human from its natural sleep side. So you remove a

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Speaker 1: human from its natural environment and you change the expression

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Speaker 1: of the mind, you change our experience of reality. And

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Speaker 1: that is ultimately a very terrifying concept to wrap our

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Speaker 1: hands around and lends itself so well to uh to

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Speaker 1: too horror. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah. I guess like ultimately

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Speaker 1: what I come back to the Harbinger and the Gateway

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Speaker 1: of the mind is the idea of being able to

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Speaker 1: just sever our connections to our senses from our consciousness.

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Speaker 1: That is very scary. Um yeah, to the point that

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I can imagine it. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it significantly changes what it is to be human, and

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Speaker 1: that's you know, ultimately, stories like this, that's what it's

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Speaker 1: about it's about exploring the human condition, uh, though taking

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Speaker 1: a more frightening approach to that exploration. All right, today

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Speaker 1: you have it one of everybody's favorite episodes from last

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Speaker 1: Halloween season, and again look for a new creepy postit

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