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Speaker 1: in the details. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to Climbing in Heels. This show is all about

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Speaker 1: celebrating the most extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their

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Speaker 1: co founder of Seed Probiotics, Era katz Ear has the

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. I'm very excited to talk

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Speaker 2: So I was, you know what I wasn't? No, I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: need to go create. The guys a lot of the

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Speaker 2: tech guys who had started like MySpace were like, why

437
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: don't you come with us? We're going to do that.

438
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Speaker 2: They We're going to start something in e commerce. And

439
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I just want to get out. I

440
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: now have lead the film I wanted to make. But

441
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: I also really had the tech bug, and I was like,

442
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Speaker 2: why don't I just do it with the people who

443
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Speaker 2: started my space. That sounds interesting, and we that's when

444
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: we started Beachman and we got they literally flew up.

445
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: Norris got five million dollars from any A, came back

446
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 2: and I Will found team and we like you know

447
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: the rest. But that was my like education, not that

448
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: I cared about God, not that I cared about as

449
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: you know me, I wasn't, not that I was the customer,

450
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: because we had for anyone who doesn't know listening. That

451
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: was We had worked with a number of celebrities to

452
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: really start these different brands on subscription commerce brands in

453
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: different verticals with Mary Kate, Nashley Olsen and Kate Bosworth.

454
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: Was the most successful that was in jewelry, and so

455
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: that was like my first and I just got to

456
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: build the whole thing with them, and it was it

457
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Speaker 2: was really exciting exceptional experience. Again, not that it was

458
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Speaker 2: the thing that I would have was like what my

459
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Speaker 2: heart was like aligned with putting out in the world.

460
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Speaker 2: But it was like the most extraordinary experience. And I

461
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: learned so much about tech. I learned so much about

462
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: building on the internet. I got to take all my

463
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 2: filmmaking create all this content, really understand like the content commerce,

464
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 2: how people buy things on It was really my interweb experience.

465
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: I understood like technology before then, but that was like

466
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: Internet in a way that it was very different than

467
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Speaker 2: what I knew and were right I had no I

468
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Speaker 2: was totally yes or whatever at the exactly at the

469
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 2: beginning of that exactly I had met Actually it's interesting,

470
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Speaker 2: I had met uh when I was at working at

471
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Speaker 2: day Room's offices and I now husband, the father of

472
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Speaker 2: two children, came over there for lunch to meet me

473
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Speaker 2: for a meeting, which is like a business meeting. That's

474
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Speaker 2: how we met. Get out of here.

475
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Speaker 1: Of course, you would meet your husband at a business

476
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Speaker 1: and businessman and that would make perfect.

477
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Speaker 2: Sense, Like how it's incredible with a guy, it's incredibly

478
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: It was very cliche, and it was funny because he

479
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 2: was starting He also was in tech and he had

480
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: started Vidi at the time, which was like like it

481
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: was if you remember Vidy and Vine came up around

482
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: the same time. It had this huge offer from Twitter,

483
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: like they had one hundred million music. It was just

484
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: like we were both kind of riding this like tech wave.

485
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: It was crazy experience. And then and then I really

486
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: had the opportunity. I think I'd gotten that to a

487
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Speaker 2: certain place and I realized that that was when the

488
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Speaker 2: iPhone was really like ye up, and I really had

489
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 2: this itch to really understand like the mobile world. They

490
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: talk about being first, right, it was like and even

491
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: an e commerce I was very early first. It was

492
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: incredibly exciting, like subscription, like these new way of doing things.

493
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Speaker 2: Then it was like the phone was coming along, and

494
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: I've always was like, oh, this is going to zero

495
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: to one everything, this is going to fundamentally change ye

496
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: the way we do every everything. And so I founded

497
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: with two with three co founders in New York. I

498
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: found its spring, which was this mobile commerce company, and

499
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: that was my I got to launch Apple Kay with Apple.

500
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: We were like we were up there on the screen

501
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Speaker 2: with the first fifteen the brands on the Apple keynote,

502
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: and it was super exciting and I got to really

503
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: understand and learn mobile, which I think was incredibly interesting.

504
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: But again another thing where it was like selling things

505
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: and doing something that I did it for the intellectual like,

506
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Speaker 2: oh this is interesting, I want to understand phone. This

507
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: is challenging my brain. I don't care about helping people

508
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: buy things. Online like it was like it felt. And

509
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Speaker 2: I'm only saying that because I definitely did things that

510
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: I felt were not necessarily from an alignment perspective. Wasn't like, oh,

511
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Speaker 2: this is the thing I want to put out in

512
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: the world, but there was absolutely an intellectual and deep

513
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: understanding that it was like this learning. It was like

514
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: this continual learning.

515
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Speaker 1: Because I was going to say that about you, I

516
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: think there is something slightly contradictory about an obsession with

517
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: tech and an obsession with film and an obsession with building,

518
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: and because it's funny everything about you, like obviously your

519
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: obsession with learning and challenging your mind, and I think

520
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: this like amazing admiration for tech, right, So I totally

521
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: get that because tech is something that has transformed all

522
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: of our lives in every possible way. But you the

523
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: person that I know, it's like you would be the

524
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Speaker 1: person that would still like handwrite everything if you could,

525
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Speaker 1: or like never carry a plastic bottle or.

526
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Speaker 3: You know, everything and not that's tech.

527
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Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is like I would

528
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Speaker 1: see you still in an act actual typewriter if there

529
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Speaker 1: was an option, just because that fits you.

530
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Speaker 2: It's a funny it's a really funny. I know it's funny.

531
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Speaker 2: It's that I would. It's funny like I would. It's

532
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Speaker 2: I want starlink but live in the forest.

533
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: Right, It's really interesting, right, dichotomy there, But that's partially

534
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Speaker 1: why I like to understand these things.

535
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Speaker 2: It's I never wanted technology to happen to me. I

536
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: wanted to play a role in figuring out how it

537
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: was going to get walk into some way. Yeah, but

538
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: but it was also it was it wasn't even like

539
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: defensive as much as it's I think that we live.

540
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: There's a beautiful quote that I will watch that like

541
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: we that I think it was Carl Sagan said we

542
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: live in a society that we don't fully understand. Yes,

543
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: and I think that we have. I think there's another

544
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: quote that he did not say someone else dead, which

545
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 2: is we have these paleolithic minds living in a world

546
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Speaker 2: that we don't that very small percent of us actually

547
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: fundamentally understand. And it didn't. It's not really a contradiction

548
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: when you think about what I care about existentially, right,

549
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: which is like I deeply and it goes back to film,

550
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: which is I deeply want to understand the human experience,

551
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: and I would be the pioneer. It's like when you're hiking,

552
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: it's there's always someone at the front, right, And I

553
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: want to be that person at the front, because it's

554
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: the pioneering that I think actually is like the most

555
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: interesting to me. And whether that is launching Apple pay

556
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: or just being at the front of the hike, I

557
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: think that and there's an existential need for me not

558
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, I don't want the technology to

559
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: take over me, Like it's much more of a I

560
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: want to so deeply understand these things because I actually

561
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: believe that they can then ultimately make a tremendous impact

562
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: in our lives. They need to be humanized and they

563
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: need to be like deeply understood to be able to

564
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: do that. And it is You're definitely right that there's

565
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: like a there's it would seem to be like a

566
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: very kind of like dichotomy of like contradiction, but in

567
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, like I it's funny, like there's

568
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: certain things that I want to be very assicious at,

569
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: like right like time and like how you think about

570
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: those things. But then I also really the building piece

571
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: is very fascinating to me and the way that you like,

572
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: really think about creating and understanding your context. Look, we

573
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: see it play out every single day right now, right

574
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: the algorithms are controlling like our entire understanding and experience

575
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: of what's happening in the world right now.

576
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: As a CEO Fashion authority and mom, I know it's

577
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the details that truly matter. And when it comes to luxury,

578
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: every stitch must be perfectly tailored. That's why driving the

579
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: sleek Genesis GV eighty is such a luxurious experience. The

580
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: SUV's exterior design, including two line led headlamps, exudes athletic elegance.

581
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: When you sit inside the expansive GV eighty cabin, you

582
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: can customize the ambient interior lighting to match your current mood,

583
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: a feature that makes driving in LA a more relaxed

584
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Speaker 1: and serene experience. So go ahead, take a close look

585
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Speaker 1: at the Genesis GV eighty and you'll see lux is

586
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: in the details.

587
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: Like our children, we are all and by the way,

588
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: we're all consuming this advertising platforms. So if you really

589
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: just and our whole realities are constructed and so for me,

590
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: like it is actually all very existentially the same, because

591
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: I feel like when you pioneer things, you can feel

592
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: and be at the forefront of something that at least

593
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: even in my own little.

594
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: Way, guides it towards what I hope it could. And

595
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: you're not letting it take you.

596
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: You're taking absolutely and it would never just be it's

597
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: look at AI right now. That's what everybody says, because

598
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: that's the first response if you don't immerse yourself in

599
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: it and start to deeply understand what is it, how

600
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: is it right? And if the same thing with what

601
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: we're experiencing in world events, the people who are sitting

602
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: back and taking a second to deeply understand. And then

603
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: there's of course the immune response that is happening with response.

604
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: But no, of course, but yeah, of course everybody. Everybody

605
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: gets all fired up, and it's really there's a there's

606
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: you're right, and it's an interesting contradiction that you'd think,

607
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: but it's also I pioneering piece and being at the

608
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: front front of things is something that could feel like

609
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: very techy and then contradictory, Oh I care about the

610
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: environment or I don't care car this water bottle, but

611
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: there's a there's like a look, technology is going to

612
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: save our planet. Yes, we have to advance invest in

613
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: early stage science and technology, to find the things that

614
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: are going to sequester carbon, to find the things that

615
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: are so like for me to me like they you

616
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: have to deeply understand these things because those are the

617
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: things that are also going to save us and are

618
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: really meaningfully and I and so in a lot of ways,

619
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: like I see why you would think it's very contradictory

620
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: to me.

621
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: But you, but it does go back to what you

622
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: originally said, which is, you are a designer.

623
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: You are in our you are a creator.

624
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: And I want to go to one of the most

625
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: important things because I think it's such a big part

626
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: of who you are and how I got to know

627
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: you even better, which is seed. And I want to

628
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: talk about it because I think it's so important. It's

629
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: years ago, there was all this outbreak of probiotics. Probiotics,

630
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: these gummies. Oh my god, if you can take these,

631
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: it'll change your digesting, It'll change your stomach, it'll change

632
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: your whole being, your skin and this and that, and

633
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of course we all buy all these chewy gummies filled

634
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: with sugar, give them.

635
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: To your kids, give them or whatever.

636
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: And then we get on the phone with you and

637
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: you proceed to tell Roger, and I like, okay, hey,

638
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and you start breaking down and all of a sudden,

639
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: this big word that I feel like for you is like.

640
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: Saying hello, microbiome.

641
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: But I also think Seed combines all your passions and

642
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: all your things, right, But it is so vastly different

643
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and groundbreaking in every possible way from science and obviously

644
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: like it broke down many walls in many things and

645
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: is unlike any other product out there, which is why

646
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: it's been so successful. But it's funny because I was

647
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: talking to my producer earlier and she was like, one

648
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: of the greatest things about Seed is when someone takes it.

649
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: So the packaging, which I want to talk about as

650
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: well at some point, is it's so unique.

651
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Right.

652
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: So seed is such an important message and it's so impactful,

653
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Speaker 1: and I think it's product first, right, But I think

654
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: what's so cool about it is not only does it work,

655
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: but it's also cool to take seed, and that's like

656
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: a very hard thing to do. And we've seen really

657
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: prominent people not paid taking the seed and living and

658
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: swearing by seed. And it's funny because she said to me,

659
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I know who takes seed. You see it in their instagrams.

660
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: Because it's like on their counter and you can see it,

661
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you know. So it's very interesting. So I want to

662
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: talk about seed and why you started seed because I

663
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: think it's really important. I think everyone, if they don't

664
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Speaker 1: know about seeds, should know about seed.

665
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Yes, the part of my trajectory that we didn't talk

666
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: about that will make seed snap to some sort of

667
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: grid in the story is that in high school, so

668
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: it was really interesting. My mom was diagnosed with pancratic

669
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: cancer at forty eight years old, which is like both

670
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: very early, very unusual per a woman. She lasted three

671
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty one days from diagnosis to dying. And

672
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: ironically and interestingly, she worked at Memorials on Kettering ironically, which,

673
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: if anyone knows, greatest cancer hospitals and institutions in the world.

674
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: But what had happened during that period of time, and

675
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: I would say, even maybe prior to that a little bit,

676
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: just because I was an athlete, is that I had

677
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: developed like an extraordinary fascination with like human health, with

678
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: like our bodies. And I really was so fascinated. And

679
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: in high school when she was sick, I learned to read,

680
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: I learned to research clinical trials, and I learned to

681
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: read scientific papers. Obviously not to the that maybe I

682
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: can do today, but it certainly was like my first

683
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: window into how does science happens and then how does

684
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: it make its way to humans? And how do we

685
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: make all these decisions? You remember, you and I come

686
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: out of the generation of the cholesterol generation, and that

687
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: is bad. And this is all like all these ideas,

688
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: and we also come out of the end of it

689
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: actually where the bats were given sense candy, and so

690
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: I just developed this. I always it's very similar to

691
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: what I was saying earlier. I just want to know everyone.

692
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: And I'm never very curious, to be honest, Like my

693
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: doctor would say so, and this is way.

694
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: Before integrated and functional medicine was where it is today.

695
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: My doctors would say things and I'm like, I just

696
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: don't believe you. I don't believe And that not because

697
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: I was like upset that my mom was sick, but

698
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't believe that you're working from

699
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: a full set or full understanding of this, and it

700
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: feels like you're just saying the thing you said in

701
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: the life patient or what five papers did you yourself

702
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: breath this past week to enrich your own understanding. And

703
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: I became very frustrated with the medical professions lack of

704
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: keeping up with science in some fascina, I became very

705
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: frustrated with how people who need science I eat clinical

706
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: trials and clinical research. At that time. You remember, of course,

707
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: it's much better and more sophisticated now found their way

708
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: to even good science and find their way to clinical

709
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: trials because it was very not centralized on the internet

710
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: the way it is today. And I also just started realizing,

711
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: like how many decisions we make every day for our

712
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: health that are informed by stupidity. And then when all

713
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: of the fat and cholesterol, like all that stuff, and

714
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: I would watch how like lobbying or like lobbying groups

715
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: would just basically like control the way the American public

716
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: understood something like sugar or like smoking or and you know,

717
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: you have to remember I was a very as I said,

718
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: I was a very subversive of very combative, very rebellious

719
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: kid and teenager, and I was just like, I just

720
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: don't buy any of this. And that became like I've

721
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: somehow became over many years the person that would never

722
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: not dispense medical advice by any stretch. But people would

723
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: just start asking me things because I was good at

724
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: researching them. Sure, that was it? What do you think

725
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: of this? And I remember college people had asked me

726
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: this supplementation wasn't what it is today? Right? He would

727
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: ask me about this or and I would just do

728
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: a lot of research because it was fascinating to me.

729
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: And so my side hustle, like just in my was

730
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: always like just wanting to understand this stuff. And then

731
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: when then my I got a taste of much closer

732
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: glimpse into biotech and pharma with my ex boyfriend because

733
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: he worked at a number of pharma companies, and I

734
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: started to really understand the way that drugs were developed,

735
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: and I got very close with the number of like

736
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: truly extraordinary scientists that he was working with at that time.

737
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: It was like in my multiple maeloma research, and I

738
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: started to understand how clinical trial has worked. And I

739
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: think just over, I think for a long time, and

740
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: one really important point, when my mom was sick, even

741
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: though she of course came out of a very western

742
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: medical system because she was working at Memorial Stone Kenny,

743
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: when you're dying, you will literally try anything. There were

744
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: people coming in with I had reiki heelers coming through

745
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: our house. We had like crazy like bovine supplements coming

746
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: from like Belgium, like we had mo people like my

747
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: mom's friendly flew to Paris to go get some crazy

748
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: thing that she was going to try, like you will

749
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: try to know what, no matter what you believe, you

750
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: will literally try anything. And so I got a much

751
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: closer than at that time, also up glimpse into the

752
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: more integrated and functional. At that time, people would call

753
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: it Woo Wu or Eastern World, because of course she

754
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: was trying everything, and so I started to also look

755
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: at the disparity between the East and the West, so

756
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: trying to understand and reconcile why they were at such

757
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: odds with each other too, And so then it was

758
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: very interesting. I cut forward to being working at Spring,

759
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: having a very fast growing mobile app, being very sexy

760
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: funded by lvmage and like all love sexy, sexy that

761
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: I say sexy, knowing I have air quts for all

762
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: people listening sexy things that one would. But also in

763
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: being a woman in tech, some of those things like

764
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: were meaningful, right, Like I got to you've become a

765
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: role model for a lot of It's hard, certainly now easier,

766
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: but like at that time, it was also still a

767
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: little bit challenging. And I had a miscarriage and it

768
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: really was like, which, by the way, I'm one of

769
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: the rare people that kind of think those are one

770
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: of the more beautiful biological things that can happen. Of course,

771
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: it's very sad if you have a wanted child, of course,

772
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: but the idea that our own biology knows that that

773
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: it'sn't viable is an extraordinary gift that and and and

774
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: a wisdom that our biology offers us. And so it

775
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: wasn't that. Yes, I was, of course sad, but I

776
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: also felt that it was like there was something that

777
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: triggered for me that that life, that that life wasn't viable,

778
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: but like the life I was living wasn't viable. There

779
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: was something that felt out of alignment, didn't feel right.

780
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: I was killing myself for a mobile app. I was like,

781
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm so much smarter than what am I doing, Like

782
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: I need to go doesn't mean anything to me, Yes,

783
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: this doesn't mean. I mean now the people I worked

784
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: with me that then things to me. I care. It

785
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: was meaningful in the sense of being the early and

786
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: being the pioneer piece. There's an intellectual piece, but from

787
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: a heart and existential place, that's not what I want

788
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: to create. And I think you get to a point

789
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: where you've made enough things or you've done enough things,

790
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: whether it's jobs or just lived some more years, and

791
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: you're just like, what the fuck am I doing? I'm

792
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: just like, literally, what the fuck am I doing?

793
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: It's so true.

794
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: I think at every decade or every period of time,

795
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: you have these just what the fuck am I doing?

796
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: When I had when I had Sky, when I had

797
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: my first son, and then solidified when I had my

798
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: second son. Absolutely, and what's taking you from your life?

799
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: Right absolutely that time? And what is the life say

800
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 2: you want to cultivate? And I think I think especially women,

801
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: because you there's a lot of there was a lot

802
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: of in particularly in the world. I was in your

803
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: identity also, and you your identity is your brand is

804
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: literally your name, right, Like your identity is really tied

805
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: up into of this stuff. And it wasn't because I

806
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: was like some egomaniac. It's just that your identity becomes

807
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: like if I'm not doing this, then like really who

808
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: am I? What am I? What does that mean? But

809
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: I think that for whatever reason. Sometimes you have these

810
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: moments that like whether it was the miscarriage or was

811
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: the timing, and it was the controlance of things. It

812
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: was a pivotal trigger, the catalysts that became for me,

813
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: what do I want to create? And it was very interesting.

814
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Around that same time. I actually got pregnant very shortly

815
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: after that, And it was around that same time that

816
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: I met my co founder Rajah and started had been tracked.

817
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: I had been tracking the microbiome again, just as somebody

818
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: who was nerdy in that space and tracking the microvie

819
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: for a while. He had been tracking it since two

820
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: thousand and six. And I think we just met each

821
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: other at a moment where I realized and I felt

822
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: very similar to the mobile phone. The microbiome to me

823
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: was like this framework change, right, this entirely new way. Look,

824
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: we've studied human biology for centuries money actually, and it

825
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: was like we were only looking in part of us,

826
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: and yet fifty percent of the cells in our body

827
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: are not human. And I was like, oh, there's another

828
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: half of us that we don't know about that we're starting.

829
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is it, This is it.

830
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: And the more I understood it, and the more I

831
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: immersed in it, and the more he and I spent

832
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: understanding what that was going to look like and what

833
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: we predicted for the future, which, by the way, I'm

834
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: proud to say when I go back to our early decks,

835
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: it's all happening. It fundamentally is. I was like, I

836
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: could spend the rest of the life in this field

837
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: if I needed to. This is going, this is going to,

838
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: this is going to but it's not even this is

839
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: going to change.

840
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like this, I'm making a difference in.

841
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: The absolutely, but it was just like and also the

842
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: like the revelation of understanding of our bodies of disease,

843
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: of the way we need to live. And then of

844
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: course the seed, which is how we got our name.

845
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: I was pregnant when we started the company, and seeding

846
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: is the process by which you first receive your foundational

847
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: microbes that basically become the blueprint for your gi and

848
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: immune sestin and of course set in place that you're

849
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: partially your health trajectory of what your life is going

850
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: to be from a health perspective, and the idea that

851
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: and we started off really focused on the early window

852
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: of life where you can make a huge impact that

853
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: work will hit in the next couple of years. It's

854
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: been a long kind of our R and D process

855
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: became to me. I was like, well, I could create

856
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: a company, take all my tech brains and then put

857
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: a platform create like the biotech piece of this, which

858
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: is the part of our company that most people know,

859
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: our Green Jar. And then below the below the water,

860
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: the ice Everyone sees the iceberg, They're like, oh cool Instagram,

861
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: great green Jar, awesome product. Below the water is like

862
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: a biotech company that develops drugs. Had one of the

863
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: best bioinformatics teams in the world, works had one of

864
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: the most robust scientific microbiome boards in the world. Works

865
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: on all kinds of crazy future stuff. And of course

866
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: it's probably the part that I'm the most proud of.

867
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: But above the above the water and in the part

868
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: that you talked about and what it's on social media

869
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: and people know us, which is so important. Yeah. Absolutely,

870
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: that has that been like my most beautiful like storytelling

871
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: exercise of my life. Great the opportunity to bring together

872
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: the things I deeply care about, but obviously to do

873
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: it all from the place of I get to impact

874
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: people's lives every day, like I get to impact people's house.

875
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: That is like truly the most extraordinary and exciting. I

876
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: think part of it, which is like it's no longer

877
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: about converting someone to like a purchase rights. It's like

878
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: I get to look at every day like at just today,

879
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: like I could pull up our Slack channel five more

880
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: people being like this changed my life. And I think

881
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: that the ability to combine. Of course, I couldn't have

882
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: done it without my coel founder who oversees like all

883
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: of the R and D and science programs that we

884
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: do that and when I think about that, I was

885
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: able to call that in and we as you said,

886
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: timing is everything, and we met at a moment where

887
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: the field was just taking the velocity of this field

888
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: was taking up and then the opportunity to take what

889
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: I really am proud of is like a really new

890
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: approach and taking all of my tech brain and the

891
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: design and all these things that just come together through

892
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: the lens of this new world of the Microbytom. I

893
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: do pinch myself every day because I truly get to

894
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: create the future. And that's like a beautiful thing.

895
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Like whenever Roger and I get to talk to you,

896
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: where I was like I can't wait to talk to

897
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Eric to figure out how her world domination, what's next?

898
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: What is she changing in my life? What is she

899
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: changing in the world?

900
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: And I can't change anything for Roger next, but I

901
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: can tell you that it's going to change a lot

902
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: of women's lives next.

903
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: I am so excited. And it's funny because I can't

904
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: tell you how many times I've been in a room

905
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: where people are like, oh my god, you guys, I

906
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: was feeling so not well, and I started taking this

907
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: thing called seed if you heard of it, and I'll

908
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: literally just feel like I love it.

909
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: Because I think what starts.

910
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: I think part of being an entrepreneur is starting with

911
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: an idea, finding enough people that believe you, and then.

912
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Watching it grow like a seed.

913
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Right, yes, and so I just watching this grow from

914
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: the beginning, and obviously having known you from different parts

915
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: of life and work, but it's just to me, it's

916
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 1: the most unique to you and so on brand for Eric, which,

917
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: by the way, anyone who called.

918
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: You Aura that is not right.

919
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: It is Era and so I have to completely retrain myself.

920
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: By the way, thank you for saying that. I hope

921
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: you but you do appreciate that like, it's funny. You

922
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: probably had this too, where people give you compliments when

923
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: they say those things. But I believe you, but I

924
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: don't believe you.

925
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: I believe you, but that's cute. Like I think you're

926
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: like great, honey, but I'm like, do people.

927
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: Really say that? Because you you always want it at

928
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: the beginning, the top is not I don't even see

929
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: the top of the mountains, And it's funny. It's a

930
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: funny feeling.

931
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: You don't see the top. And I don't think anyone,

932
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: I really don't think. I have very few people in

933
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: my life that perceive themselves as being at the top,

934
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: because I think most people that are at the top

935
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: want to go to a higher top, right, But I

936
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: think that's the beauty. Like I always say, my anxiety

937
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: is my superpower, right because the minute I get complacent,

938
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: h I'm here, I'm good.

939
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, what's max? You got to do more?

940
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: Like we got to do more, we got to do better.

941
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that the way

942
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I look at your path is every single bit of

943
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: your from a very young age, whether it's sports, your education,

944
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: public school to private school, all the things. The thing

945
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: that I think is really important to note is that

946
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: every part of that has been a brick in the

947
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: house that you're living in now.

948
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I would like to know, certainly before we go.

949
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: I'd really love to know, like, what has been really

950
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: for you one of the greatest challenges that you've had,

951
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Like what sort of keeps you awake at night?

952
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Because you are a high strung person.

953
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: You're a very bohemian zen person, but you're also high

954
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: strung and like this driven force that like really is

955
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: not stoppable. So I feel like, what are the things

956
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: that what has been the great challenge you and I

957
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: have talked about too many men in the room and

958
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: then when there was women in the room, those women

959
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: pretended to want to support you but actually didn't because

960
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: I know I've experienced that. But so, what has been

961
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: your greatest challenge? If there's one, or it could be two,

962
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: or it could be none, but I'm curious.

963
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: It's a few things. I think one of them is

964
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: that there are so many things that I want to

965
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: do with Seed because I see so many opportunities for impact. Yeah,

966
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: and you can't do them all.

967
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: You can't, you can, but like one at a time, yes,

968
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: because that's I think as an entrepreneur, that's the sort

969
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: of thing that I think we trip over the most.

970
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: It's like too many things at once because your brain's

971
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: about to explode.

972
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: And I think I have to get comfortable with what

973
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: happens when you're larger and you're maybe making a bigger impact. Yeah,

974
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: but it doesn't I am a Raja and myself are

975
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: both like what we would call individuals. Will be calling

976
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: the company world individual contributors, which is a way of

977
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 2: saying which is a way of saying that we would

978
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: be horrible to be managed. Yeah, but that doesn't but

979
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: we love to do things ourselves. Yes, And this is

980
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: a typical pain. I think that a lot of founders

981
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: see when you scale. But I think that it's there

982
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: are certain things that you have to like go of

983
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: so that you can actually make a greater impact. I

984
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: think that's certainly one one thing that I will sleep

985
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: over because there's so many things that I believe we

986
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: could be doing that I really like to be doing,

987
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: or I like to be doing faster. I think that

988
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: that's certainly that's yes, But I do have that then

989
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: part of me, like that grounded part of me that

990
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: also does believe that you do things as you need.

991
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: I don't mean this in like the universe like way,

992
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: because I'm too controlling for to think the universe the

993
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: universe that the things does anything. But I think that

994
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: is something that I have to reconcile as a creator

995
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: for sure. And then I think the second thing has

996
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: probably much more to do with being just being a

997
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: parent actually and doing seed, which is I think has

998
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: a lot more to do with like all the things

999
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: that I want to be doing for my children and

1000
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: how I feel like I would like to be showing

1001
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: up and really like the reconciliation of what I am

1002
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: able to do in this moment and getting okay with that.

1003
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: I think that in some ways takes up more of

1004
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: my grain. And that's the most really a very honest answer,

1005
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: and like realizing that, like what really loses out, and

1006
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: I'll give you the most honest answer is my relationship

1007
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: is my marriage because you have I have seed and

1008
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: I have children, and it's and then you're just like

1009
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: and my showers are on my calendar and you're like

1010
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: a shower at midnight, Yeah, so do I. It's also

1011
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: like my happy place makes you have a bother's day,

1012
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: So it's like Uh, it's more like ten thirty in

1013
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: my house, but like it's the same idea and it's

1014
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: there there is for someone who needs to it's not

1015
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: even about winning, but who wants to keep going and

1016
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: has things to build, there is a moment where you

1017
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: have to reconcile, like where you have to stop. Of course,

1018
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: certainly even just in a day, right, and what time

1019
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 2: to go to sleep? Can you show up to this

1020
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: child's thing? And this does he? Yeah, exactly, And I

1021
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: think it's just like that ongoing negotiation and getting to

1022
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: a place of peace with it that you're just like,

1023
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to do what I can

1024
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: do today, which actually is my greatest contradiction if you

1025
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: want to talk about contradictions, because I am the person

1026
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: that's no, let's just get to the next camp site

1027
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: by the Sunday sunset. We can do it, versus being like,

1028
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: let's just set up camp here. It's okay, right, Just

1029
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: an analogy. I think that I think children are beautiful

1030
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: teachers in this way, like they're the greatest teachers, and

1031
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: I think that I have my greatest like inks really

1032
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: comes from. It's not the wanting to do it all

1033
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: like typical trope. It's just like it's very like, it's

1034
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: very challenging, of like, it's much more of a way

1035
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: that I would let it's letting go in some ways

1036
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: of just saying that in this particular moment, and I

1037
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: take it in small increments of time. I try to like,

1038
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: for the next three to six months, this is the

1039
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: reality of where my limitations are sure, and that's a

1040
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: hard thing for me to acknowledge.

1041
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: It's I would pretty much say that it is the

1042
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: most common thread that a challenge would be, that pull

1043
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: and that guilt on all sides between a mom and listen.

1044
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Serena Williams that said it when

1045
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: she had to quit right because she wanted to have

1046
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: another baby, and she was like, if I was a guy,

1047
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to make this choice right now. And

1048
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: I remember when she said that because I was like, huh, yeah,

1049
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: that's one thousand fucking percent true. And it is most

1050
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: definitely my greatest challenge, of course, I think since since

1051
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: I had kids, it's like, how do you be this

1052
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: one hundred percent present mom, right, and how do you

1053
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: be this one hundred percent present coo or whatever you are?

1054
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: And the reality of it is most of the time

1055
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: you actually can't. And it's so you're going to feel

1056
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: to pull on either side. And I think, but it's

1057
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: to your point, it's how do you reconcile that? And

1058
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: I do think that the husband for sure gets what

1059
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: does Roger always say, short end of stick?

1060
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: Yes, Hi, I'm short end of stick.

1061
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, but you got me for eighteen.

1062
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: Years to yourself, and when they go to college, you

1063
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 3: have me back. Just give me a little bit right here.

1064
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: There's also and then there's like just the existential part

1065
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: of it as a woman, right as somebody just like have.

1066
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: But there's also there's a beautiful quote by Carl Young

1067
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: that says the greatest burden on a child is the

1068
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: unlived life of the parent. And there's another part of it,

1069
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: which is I think there is the like do it all,

1070
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: and there's one level of that, but there's also like

1071
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: an aspect of like you, Rachel, as a human, as

1072
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: a woman, as a creator, as an artist, you have

1073
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: things that you not just for building a business, but

1074
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: as a human, things you want to like, oh, just

1075
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: for yourself that you want to be And it was

1076
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: funny I received it email from PAX's science Sorry, my

1077
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: eight year old's science teacher. Recently, he said, Pax just

1078
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: told me about all the amazing research that you're doing

1079
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: in with microbes. And he said that you send some

1080
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: microbes up to Stace that apparently plastic, and he also

1081
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Speaker 2: mentioned that you're doing some other environmental research with microbes,

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00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: and he just sorry, he just turned ate. So he

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00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: said this when he was seven, and she went on

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00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: and on about all the things that Seed is doing.

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00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: And then I had this moment that I was like,

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Speaker 2: this also means something to my children.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing something right and this and like getting.

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00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: And he understands like what I do and care and

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00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: cared and felt proud of it. And she also said,

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00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: he's so proud of you. And it was just like

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00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: and so I do have moments like that where I'm

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00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: also just really reminded that the doing of what I'm

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00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: doing also feels impactful, even if it takes away time

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00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: of certain other things that are really meaningful. And what

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00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: I also know is, and you probably listen, you can't.

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00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: You just you can't make everybody happy all you can.

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Speaker 1: And it's the hardest lesson to learn, I think for

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00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: women it is I really do, and I think we

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00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: don't ever stop learning it, and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's a point we just throw our hands in the

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00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: air and be like, I'm sorry, fuck off for now,

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00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: because this is all I can do right now. You

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00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: just go so I can do right now. So sorry,

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00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: keep hold. But I think you're doing great. You're changing

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Speaker 1: the world. You're changing the lives and the health of

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Speaker 1: so many people in so many ways. And I'm lucky

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Speaker 1: that I do have a little bit of a window

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: as to what's next. But I can't wait for what's next,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait for the rest of the world

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Speaker 1: and all the Seed die hards. And if you're not

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00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: a diehard Seed person, you need to be a diehard

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00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: Seed person because it changes the way you feel every

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Speaker 1: single day. I really do. My dad's even taking them down. Amazing,

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Speaker 1: My dad is taking seed. Just started first thing my

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Speaker 1: dad's ever actually done for his health.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's me. I hear a lot of

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: I hear so many people say I literally can't get

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00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: my parents to do any of the things that I

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00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: tell them to do. True, but I got them to

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Speaker 2: take seed.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Funny, Yeah, and I have a lot of beautiful

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Speaker 2: story that we hear from the children of like older

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00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: people who talk about the impact on their parents' life,

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Speaker 2: which is really cool. I love it, Era.

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Speaker 1: I love and adore you as a human, as a

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00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: badass in all the things, and I love your brain.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's that time in the show and I answer to

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00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: listener questions, So let's see what we have today. Okay,

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: what TV shows are you watching currently? And do you

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: like The Crown? Honestly, you will laugh so hard it's

1133
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. I have a tween ager, which I say

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00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: that as if it's my excuse, but I really am

1135
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: a closet tween ager when it comes to shows and movies.

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm currently rewatching gossip Girl and I'm actually even more

1137
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: obsessed with it the second time, which is even more embarrassing.

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00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: I have already watched Outer Banks twice. I have watched

1139
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: The After series, which is like literally like a teenage

1140
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: book series, and Bridgerton multiple times both seasons. Can't wait

1141
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: for the third, and I think that's about it. I

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: have seen The Crown. It's all the beginning. I don't

1143
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: know how many seasons there are, but I have not

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: watched the most recent season, but it's always weird for

1145
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: me when actors are switched, Like it's very hard for me.

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: I've always struggled with that, like when they do that

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: in movie like trilogies or series, Like, it's weird for

1148
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: me to get into a new person pretending to be

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 1: the same person from the last season. So I feel

1150
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: like that's kind of bothering me a little bit, even

1151
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: though I think she probably looks a little bit more

1152
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: like Princess Diana. So I have not watched the most

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00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: recent but I definitely think I will. But I will

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00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: say this very admittedly, when it comes to TV shows,

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: I really need to watch things that aren't dark and heavy.

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00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: It's very hard for me because life is really dark

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00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: and heavy in a lot of ways, and I have

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: always I don't watch a lot of TV. So I

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: find that if I have the privilege of getting into

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: bed quietly at like eleven o'clock, I'll literally turn on

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: something and when it's really good and like kind of mindless,

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00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: and I can just like fall into like a silly

1163
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: love story, like a boy man's girl romance, I'm so happy,

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: because sometimes you really just want to see a happily,

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: ever hufter or relive your teenage romance life.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was a big teenage romance person in my real life,

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Speaker 1: so I think part of me just really enjoys that. Okay,

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: so next, what is my Starbucks order? I've been asked

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: this so many times over the years, and I have

1171
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: to tell you you are going to be so upset

1172
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: with the answer because it couldn't be more boring. It's

1173
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: literally a venty English breakfast tea. I cannot drink coffee

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00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: because of my acid reflux, although I do love it

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00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: and would actually swim in a river of coffee if

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00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: I could, but I can't.

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: It just hurts me too much.

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Speaker 1: So I drink venty tea with a little bit of

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00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: half and half or sometimes some almond milk. But yeah,

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00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: not exciting, but it really works and I really enjoy

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00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: it and I feel very English, but not really. Okay,

1182
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode.

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: All you have to do is dm us your questions

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: to at Climbing in Hills pod on Instagram and I

1185
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: might just answer your question. Thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: Era for coming on the pod. Her story honestly I

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: thought I knew a lot about her, and I actually

1188
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: knew nothing about her. I find it so incredible with

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00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: some of these really successful women and truly, like, you know,

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: Era is a truly unstoppable force for all the best reasons.

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00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think we really talked about everything from you know,

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: growing up in Manhattan and you know, feeling like she

1193
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: really didn't have very much compared to kids that she

1194
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: was surrounded by, and that her jump from public to

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00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: private school, even though was a huge strain on her parents,

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00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: ultimately did change her life. And I think that what

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Speaker 1: really sets Era apart from so many people that I

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00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: know is that her intellectual curiosity really about so many things,

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Speaker 1: from like film and building and you know, athletic to

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01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: microbiome in the body and how it changes everything about

1201
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: your overall health. But coming from tech and successful at

1202
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: tech at that is so fascinating to me because she's

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: pivoted from so many different things, and not because she

1204
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: necessarily needed to, but because she had such an overwhelming,

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: polarizing desire to do something that felt fulfilling from a

1206
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 1: human perspective and just sort of needed to really fill

1207
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: her cup more in terms of like what her overall

1208
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: mission in life was and I think as someone who

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01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: is most definitely a workaholic and a mother of two

1210
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: boys and has a husband, you know, I think she

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: very honestly talks about the struggle being very, very real,

1212
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: and I think not that many people talk openly about

1213
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: that because it is real, and it is real, and

1214
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: someone is going to get hurt and someone is going

1215
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: to fill left out, because I think as one woman,

1216
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: you cannot be all things to all people. And that

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: means your kids, that means her husband, that needs your job,

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: that means us a school mom, That means as a CEO,

1219
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: that means your team, and you know, an air case

1220
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: certainly with investors and a board, and it's a lot

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01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: to carry.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot to carry.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's very important to highlight those things

1224
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: because I think it's important to know that not everyone's

1225
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: picture is perfect, and the struggles are real and everyone

1226
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: has them. It's just everyone's looked different. So if it

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01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: looks easy, I can tell you it's not. And I

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Speaker 1: loved talking to Era. I learned so much today. She

1229
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: is I don't know, she's mind boggling and mind blowing

1230
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: and so impressive, and I just admire her so so

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: so much. If you want more Clemian Hills content, follow

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Speaker 1: me on at Rachel Zone at Clemian Hills Pod on

1233
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Instagram for more updates and upcoming guests, episodes, and all

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Speaker 1: things Thereator.

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Speaker 2: I will see you all next week and luck