1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back in another edition to 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast Thursday morning, May sixth, The 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: over Lord twenty twenty one. I'm Josh Pate, happy to 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: have you with me. It's all Q and A Tuesday Morning. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: It's all Q and A Thursday Morning, Josh paid seven 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: zero six at gmail dot com. That is option number 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: one to submit a question or comment or constructive feedback, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: and I want to stress constructive. 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You 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: are our marketing department, so you know, believe it or not, 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: the formula for getting out of the pandemic ends up 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: being the same formula that we have to use to 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: grow the show, and that is we're all in this 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: together period. We got a loaded mail bag this morning, 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: so let's waste no time. Let's dive right in here. 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: I got a first one from a number of you, 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a combination. So I'm gonna take 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: all of your questions and I'm going to form them 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: into one basic premise of an idea or a question, 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: I guess, and that is, do you think Jimbo Fisher 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: is overrated? 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: Why or why not? 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Now? Jimbo got caught live Mike style on I guess Tuesday, 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. It was this week. He was 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: at a booster function and I think it was Houston. 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: As you can tell, I've paid a ton of attention 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: to this story, so there's a lot of I think, 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure in this. I think he was 37 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: at a booster event somewhere in Texas and he was 38 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: asked about Nick Saban at Alabama, as he gets asked 39 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: every time there's a microphone in front of him. And 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: so Jimbo Fisher does what everybody does at these speaking engagements, 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: and he pulls out a big ol' slab or red 42 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: meat out of his back pocket and he just whoop spat. 43 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: He just hurls it out there right onto the floor 44 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: all these Aggi fans and so they love it. And 45 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: basically what he said is, we don't need Nick Saban 46 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: to retire. We're gonna beat him while he's still at Alabama. Okay, yak, yak. 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: Nick Saban would laugh harder than anyone if he were 48 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: on the front row. 49 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: I have been in. 50 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: Speaking engagements for both of these guys. I understand how 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: the game works. I understand the format. Those of you 52 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: who have been at these you do understand the format 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: as well. But for maybe some of you out there 54 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: who haven't ever attended an event like this, it's not 55 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: a press conference. Press conference, this normally doesn't happen. But 56 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: these speaking engagements, this is like a backyard barbecue. He 57 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: might as well be up there speaking in flip flops 58 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: with sunscreen on his nose. You just whatever you want 59 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: to say, goes. I've heard some great stories in these formats. 60 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: They're a little more buckled down than they used to be, 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: of course, because people are carrying their cell phones around 62 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: and someone's recording you, and so anything that's truly worthwhile, 63 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: that said, it's going to eventually leak out. So there 64 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: was no big deal about this, but some people tried 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to make it a big deal. To be honest with you, 66 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: it felt like Jimbo Fisher was running his own website 67 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: out there and he really needed clicks and needed to 68 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: aggregate some headlines, and so he just decided to reverse 69 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: engineer that process because that's essentially what he did for 70 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: a lot of websites the last two days. So the 71 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: question is he overrated, No, of course he's not overrated. 72 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher is a championship winning coach. He's a guy 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: who has now built up two programs being better than 74 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: they were when he took over. Took over obviously at 75 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: the end of Bobby Balden's career, until he built that 76 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: up eventually won a championship at Florida State, and that 77 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: went downhill, and there were two points of speculation there. 78 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Speculation Number one is Jimbo's not getting what he needs 79 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: from Florida State, so he is soured on this whole 80 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: situation here, but he's not soured as a coach. It's 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: just no longer a good fit here. But when he 82 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: eventually leaves, he'll go somewhere else and he'll win. And 83 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: my opinion will be validated. That was point of view 84 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: number one. Point of view number two is he just 85 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have it anymore. The game's passed him by. He 86 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: won his championship, but now he's fading into obscurity. So long, 87 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher, it doesn't matter where he goes, he'll never 88 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: be successful again. Well, obviously the second part wasn't true. 89 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: I think the first part was true. He's gone to 90 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Texas A and M. And if you believe that, he 91 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: ultimately was being note far too often when he should 92 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: have been told yes at Florida State. If that was 93 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the case, I'm not going down that rabbit hole today. 94 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: But if that was the case, well he's got all 95 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: the yes is at Texas A and M. Now the 96 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: good news for Jimbo Fisher is he gets yeses the 97 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to say bad news. But the other 98 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: news is when you get all the yes is that 99 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: also removes any ability to make excuses. Now he hasn't 100 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: made any excuses out there. Quite the opposite. He has 101 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: started to achieve at Texas A and M, has improved 102 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: every year. You never call a coach overrated when they 103 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: keep improving the program year over year. Now, eventually you 104 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: keep running into that same brick wall. And if you 105 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: throw a tennis ball from fifty yards away and you 106 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: hit a brick wall, that's cool. You just move to 107 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: forty yards and then thirty yards. Well, Texas, A and 108 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: M keeps doing that with Alabama. But it's okay because 109 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: there's been a wide gap between A and M and Alabama. 110 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: And so they've lost, and then they move closer, and 111 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: then they lost, and then they move closer lost again. 112 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: I mean they were so close last year they lost 113 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: and were still in the playoff conversation. Well, now the 114 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: fan base looks around and says, okay, this isn't year 115 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: one or year two anymore. You're a little ways them, 116 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: And so now we can still chuckle at this, and 117 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: we can still understand it takes more than a year 118 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: or two to build up to be able to compete 119 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: with them. But dot dot it's no. 120 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: Longer a year two, Jimbo. 121 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna smile while I ask you, but when 122 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: are we gonna get this done? And then everyone's face 123 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: goes straight and then all the laughing ceases. So that's fair, 124 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: that's totally fair. You get paid what he gets paid, 125 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: you have the resources he has. Those guys are big boys. 126 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: They don't have a problem with those kinds of questions. Now, 127 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: the question I've got asked a million times is he overrated? 128 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: I may have a problem with those for the same 129 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: basic reason I have a problem with the is Notre 130 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Dame overrated crowd? And maybe you're a part of that. 131 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: If you're listening right now, maybe you're a part of that. 132 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: I think it's stupid. I'm not calling you stupid. You 133 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: may be a genius. Smart people say stupid things all 134 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: the time. Stupid people rarely say smart things, but smart 135 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: people say stupid things all the time. With the Notre 136 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Dame as overrated crowd, I addressed this last week. I'll 137 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: tie it right into Jimbo Fisher. I went on Twitter. 138 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: I said, do you believe Notre Dame is overrated? And 139 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: if so, tell me which team it is they're consistently 140 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: rated above that they don't belong above. 141 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: And I got a whole bunch. 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: Of well, they get in all these playoff games and 143 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: they don't get the job done. And I said, okay, 144 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: you can answer my question, because that's not what I asked. 145 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: I didn't ask are they making the playoffs, I said, 146 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: who are they rated above? This is the definition of 147 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: being overrated, by the way, who are they rated above? 148 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Consistently that they shouldn't be rated above? And then I go, well, 149 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: they got their own TV contract and they get a 150 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: bunch of media headlines and they get disproportionate coverage. Okay, 151 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: you can answer my question because that's not what I asked. Diddo, diddo, diddo. 152 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: And so basically it circle back around to this. The 153 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: best people could come up with is well, I think 154 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: Texas A and M should have been in over Notre 155 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: Dame last year, Like that's the best they could come 156 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: up with. I don't agree with that. At the very best. 157 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: That is a flimsy argument, and it's a one year argument. 158 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: So basically what we arrived at is no one could 159 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: tell me how Notre Dame is consistently overrated. Here's the 160 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: reality with Notre Dame. They're not overrated. They've been totally 161 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: properly rated. If anyone walks up to you and says 162 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: Notre Dame is better than Bama, then they're overrated. If 163 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: anyone tells you, diddoh, they're better than Ohio State, they're 164 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: better than Clemson. 165 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: Then they're overrated. 166 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Then I'll listen to you if you bring that argument 167 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: to me and say, look, Josh, look what this guy said. Yep, 168 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: you're right. According to what he just said, they are overrated. 169 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: No one's saying that. What I am saying, and what 170 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: the playoff committee has said, and what I think a 171 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: lot of us have to acknowledge, whether you like it 172 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: or not, is Notre Dame's been in that second class 173 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of teams, the ones who haven't won a title. They're 174 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: not consistently right there at number one, but they're really good, 175 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: and they're really consistent, and they're always in the conversation. Well, 176 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Notre Dame's been good enough out of that group of 177 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: teams to get in the playoff a couple of times. 178 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: And therein lies the distortion of Notre Dame in your mind. 179 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: You actually watched them play Clemson. You didn't watch the 180 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: next team that got left out play Clemson. Same thing 181 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: would have happened, but you didn't see that team that 182 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: got left out against Clemson. You did see Notre Dame. 183 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: You did not get to see the next team that 184 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: would have been in against Alabama. You saw Notre Dame 185 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: against Alabama. Well, the problem is the same thing happened 186 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: to Notre Dame that would have happened to the next 187 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: team that would have gotten put in. So in your 188 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: mind you said, well, Notre Dame keeps getting blown out, 189 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: they must be overrated. 190 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: No. 191 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: No, they were the proper placement. They were the team 192 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that should have been there. None of you, we're gonna 193 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: beat that team. None of you, we're gonna beat that 194 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: number one team or that number two team. That's the 195 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: whole point. They're not overrated because they keep getting drugged 196 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: by better teams. They're overrated if you claim they're better 197 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: than those teams. So how does this apply to Jimbo Fisher. Well, 198 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: if someone walks up to you and says Jimbo's better 199 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: than Nick Saban, that's ludicrous. No one believes that. If 200 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: they walk up to you and say Jimbo greater than 201 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Dabo Swinny, I don't believe that. I don't think many 202 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: people are saying that right now. If they said that, 203 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: it would make him overrated. But I don't hear that. 204 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: What I may hear, to be honest, I don't hear 205 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: people do this a whole lot. But if they were 206 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: to do a classification of coaches, they may put Jimbo 207 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Fisher in the Brian Kelly, Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley conversation. 208 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with that. I don't 209 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: have a single problem with that. I think maybe the 210 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: perception kind of like when Notre Dame actually ends up 211 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: being the one that plays the big time teams and 212 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: gets beat With Jimbo Fisher, it's like this, he's the 213 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: one out of Brian Kelly, and out of Lincoln Riley, 214 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: and even out of Kirby Smart. He's the one that 215 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: actually has to play Saban every year. And so every 216 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: year so far you've had that taste in your mouth of, well, 217 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: they're not as good as Alabama. Yeah, well that can 218 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: be true, and it can also be true that he's 219 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: one of those six or seven best head coaches in America. Like, 220 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: both of those things can be true as long as 221 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Saban's number one. Theoretically, you could be the number two 222 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: best coach in America and consistently lose to him. So 223 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't believe Fisher's overrated at all. I would love 224 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: for him to be leading my program. I think they 225 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: keep improving year over year. They are building a roster 226 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: that more closely resembles that of Alabama. They are not 227 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: on that level, nor has anyone else been, but they 228 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: draw closer to it. Let me just say that now 229 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I could be ten miles away from you today, seven 230 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: miles away tomorrow. That makes me closer. That does not 231 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: make me equal to you. 232 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: But no to put a cap on it. 233 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he's overrated, and I like where they're at. 234 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: Melvin up next. I'm kind of new to the show. 235 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: I started listening to the podcast version, then I switched 236 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: over to the YouTube version. I'm curious how much betting 237 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: talk you have during the season. Thanks for the great show, 238 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: keep it up. Thank you first off, Melvin, from myself 239 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: and producer Jordan, and then director Emeritus Colin, and the 240 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: entire crew in Connecticut as well. So thank you from 241 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: all of us, because they're the ones who make it 242 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: happen every bit, if not more than me. It would 243 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: be a sad, sad sight if I were to try 244 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: and execute this by myself. I just stand outside and 245 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: scream on a street corner and hope enough people congregated 246 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: around me. I don't think would have video either. So 247 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: here's how this works. I'm glad you asked this, Melvin, 248 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: because it's going to look a little bit different this fall. 249 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: This show lake kick at twenty four to seven Sports. 250 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: We've only been here one full season and it was 251 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: a pandemic election season, double whammy, terrible for viewership, just horrible. 252 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: So this year should be a lot better because it's 253 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: a non election season when we have hopefully a return 254 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: to normalcy. Here's how the betting angle works. We have 255 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot of what you would call proprietary content, and 256 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: what that just means is something unique to us. No 257 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: one else really has it. So I give out like 258 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people do. In a different sense, though, 259 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: I give out about four to six a week, picks 260 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: a week that I like a lot. We try and 261 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: nail it on Sunday, We try and get out and 262 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: right when those lines released as early as possible. I 263 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of proprietary data modeling that I tie 264 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: into the show. I partner with someone not employed here 265 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: but yet very very good at what they do, and 266 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: it's been working on that quite a while, has a 267 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: lot of that data and science fluency in their language. 268 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: So yes, we do talk about it, Melvin, But I 269 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: also want to put it to you this way. I 270 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: do three shows a week on YouTube during the fall, 271 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and I just don't have time to take as deep 272 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: a dive as I love to into each individual game. 273 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: There is a portion of our audience, though, that would 274 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: love that. So you hear me keep pushing Instagram, and 275 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: you hear me keep pushing at Late Kick Josh, and 276 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: you hear me keep telling you to follow over there. Well, 277 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: here's why all of those platforms have live capability too. 278 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: And who's to say, for example, that when I get 279 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: off the air Sunday nights in the fall, when the 280 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: lines have just been released, who's to say that I 281 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: don't walk off that set in our studio High Top Nashville, Tennessee, 282 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: hop right on the eye Josh ten minutes later and 283 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: everyone joins me there live and we just start deep 284 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: diving those points spreads to where if you want to join, 285 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: you can join. If you don't want that to be 286 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: a part of your show, that's fine. We didn't put 287 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: it into the mainstream portion of Late CAG Who's to 288 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: say when I'm on the road on Friday nights this 289 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: fall that we don't crank up that Instagram live Late 290 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: on Friday night, last thing you're seeing before your head 291 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,119 Speaker 1: hits the pillow. 292 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: And you know you got big games. 293 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: You want to move money on the next morning. Who's 294 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: to say we can't have a little conversation about the board, 295 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: Look at the totals, look at the derivatives, look at 296 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: the spreads right there on Friday night late, whichever city 297 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm in, whichever hotel room I'm in, Who's to say 298 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: we can't do all that? So no one is the answer. 299 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: And my answer to you, Melvin is we will be 300 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: saturated with betting content this fall. But what I don't 301 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: do is I don't stuff it into every angle of 302 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: every mainstream show. 303 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: I do. 304 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: What I want to do is give you the option 305 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: to access it, while at the same time making the 306 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: betting content that I put in the main show appealing 307 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: to every viewer. And you may think to yourself, well, 308 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: how can it appeal if you don't like betting, Oh, 309 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: it can appeal. I know a ton of people that 310 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: don't ever bet, that have no interest in betting, but 311 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: they have a huge interest in odds making. They have 312 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: a huge interest in knowing who's favored and who would 313 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: be favored, and this and that and how much has 314 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: the line moved on the Clemson NC State game since Monday. 315 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: There's a big interest in that, even from Steve, who 316 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: works down at the pharmacy, who wouldn't even so much 317 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: as know how to open a sports book account. Good 318 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: for you, Steve, stay out of it, save your money, 319 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: my friend, but he may still be interested in it. 320 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: So Melvin, I try and find a way to attack 321 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: it from every single angle. And if you don't get 322 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, trust me, my friend, be around this 323 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: fall and beforehand, and you will get it. Connor up next. 324 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: Connor has a really interesting question. He said, let's say 325 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: callege football continued for the next one hundred thousand years, 326 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: would every team eventually win a title? Now, Connor, I 327 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: don't think we have more than fifty thousand years left 328 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: in college football. 329 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 2: I've got my own models. 330 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: Here and I'm showing us running out of steam about 331 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: year fifty thousand. But I'm going to entertain the question anyway. 332 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: Let's say we make it to one hundred k one 333 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand years from now, would every team have won 334 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: a title? And my answer is no. I think there's 335 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: a cliff somewhere in there. If we were to ask 336 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: this in the NFL, the Detroit Lions are terrible. They 337 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: have been for a long time. But if you were 338 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: to say, if the NFL were to continue for even 339 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: one hundred years, would the Detroit Lions win a Super 340 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Bowl over those one hundred years, Well, statistically the answer 341 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: is yes. That's what I would say if I had 342 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: to bet my life one way or the other, and 343 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: we could simulate it with absolute truth, Yes, the Lions 344 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: would win a Super Bowl at some point. The entire 345 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: structure of the NFL is built to allow that to happen. 346 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: College football is not built like that, and for the record, 347 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing. It'll never be built like that, 348 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: nor should it be. But with that comes a certain cliff, 349 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know where the cliff is over one 350 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand years. I don't know where that cliff is. 351 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: But and I'm not speaking in data terms right now 352 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: because I don't speak that language, but I can think. 353 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: In that language. 354 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: But you guys who speak that language know the exact 355 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: terminology for the concept I'm about to lay out. 356 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: Picture all one hundred and. 357 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: Thirty FBS teams, and for the sake of argument, let's 358 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: say it just stays at one thirty and just lay 359 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: them out and you see them, and there are teams 360 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: at the front, you know, the big teams like Oklahoma 361 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: or Auburn or usc Those teams would win multiple titles, obviously, 362 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: And then you keep going down the list, and even 363 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: teams like North Carolina, University of Virginia, Minnesota, there would 364 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: eventually come a day over one hundred thousand years where 365 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: they would win titles. They would probably win several of them. 366 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: I think North Carolina, for example, would win several titles 367 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand years. But then you keep going 368 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: and keep going and keep going. What I'm saying is 369 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: the law of statistics and probabilities to a certain extent, 370 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: applies to I don't know how many teams it would be. 371 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's thirty, maybe it's sixty. But there's 372 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: a cliff somewhere in there. There's a cliff. There's a 373 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: point of no return where everything is diminished from a 374 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: resource standpoint, from an access standpoint, to such a degree 375 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: that you could play ten million simulated seasons and that 376 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: team would never win a national championship. I'm thinking about 377 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: a program like the University of South Alabama. Or I mean, 378 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: let's pick New Mexico State. We could simulate this thing 379 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: ten trillion times given the same conditions, ten thousand times, 380 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: ten million times, however long you want to go. I 381 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: don't think New Mexico State is winning a national championship 382 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: in sport of football, so they are well off the cliff. 383 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to know exactly where that cliff is. Where 384 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: is the last team right on the edge of the 385 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: cliff that theoretically would win a title over one hundred 386 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: thousand years, and then that's it. That's the cutoff. Now, 387 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: that would be a fun experiment, and one that, to 388 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I'm totally unprepared to do. Sitting 389 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: here in my apartment in Nashville, Tennessee, but I'm looking 390 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: out my window and I can kind of see Vanderbilt 391 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: University over there, and I got the got a sense 392 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: someone walking that campus this morning could pull this off. 393 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's keep rolling here. Oh, before I forget, so, 394 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I had it buried in a document on my desktop here. Remember, 395 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to put this in the middle, so I 396 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't front load it with all the announcements. I have 397 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: a couple of spots open for zoom consultations, and so 398 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: if you want to schedule one, not going to beg 399 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you if you're looking to get into 400 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: this in any shape, form or fashion, if you're looking 401 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: at crank up a YouTube channel podcast, we are having 402 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: some very very good success with folks that are booking these. 403 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: That's all the testimonial I need to give. Joshpit seven 404 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: zero six at gmail dot com. Hit me up if 405 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: you want to book one of those. They're really helpful. 406 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: It's me and you. 407 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: It's one on one, it's one hour. We work it 408 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: around your schedule. We have limited options. I have limited 409 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: spots right now available, but I can work with you 410 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: hop in those I can work with you. 411 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: So Joshpaate seven zero six at. 412 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: Gmail dot com, or you can DM me Instagram, Twitter 413 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: at late kick Josh. All right, now we roll on. 414 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: So Clark has a really good question here. It's about 415 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: where you'd go for college. Well as let me say, 416 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: a college football player. You're good, You're good enough to 417 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: get offers from all the big boys, but for whatever reason, 418 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: there's a condition on your scholarship, and that condition is 419 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: you'll never be able to play in the NFL, whatever reason. 420 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: Just pretend this is fantasy land. Where would you go? 421 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Then? Remember NFL is no longer an option, so you're 422 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: not trying to get to the next level. Where would 423 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: you go? I got some ideas and I'll answer it 424 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: right after this. So to t Clark's exact question again, 425 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: he said, based on your current interests in life, which 426 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: program would you commit to if you knew the NFL 427 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: would not be a possibility afterwards? So this theoretically, unless 428 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: you just love Tuscaloosa, Alabama, this may take Alabama off 429 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: your list. It may take Columbus, Ohio off your list. 430 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of good ones out there. 431 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of You may go Hawaii, maybe 432 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: you go Miami. Those aren't bad choices at all. I 433 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: had two that came to mind. Now, again, this is 434 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: going to differ person to person because, like he said, 435 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: base it on your current interests in life. Maybe eighteen 436 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: year old me would feel different than modern day me too, 437 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: So who knows. I love the outdoors, love getting outside, 438 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: love being in nature. So the Great Smoky Mountain National 439 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: Forest is over near the University of Tennessee. I think 440 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: I may pick Knoxville, Knoxville's a great place to be anyway. 441 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: I may pick the University of Tennessee. But I also 442 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: love the Pacific Northwest, and that's a place I haven't 443 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: been able to go. So when I say I love it, 444 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: I love all the postcards I've seen. I think Oregon 445 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: would be a really good place to commit. Washington may 446 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: be a good place to commit. Because here's what I'm 447 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: trying to balance. You said my current interest. Well, I 448 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: have a big interest in college football, and I love 449 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: the big game day atmosphere. So I want to play 450 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: someplace where I can still have access to that. If 451 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: I play at Oregon, I'm playing at Oregon, obviously, that's 452 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: one of the best game day environments in college football. 453 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: I get to go to the Coliseum, may play in 454 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, may go to a playoff game, So. 455 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: I get that. 456 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: If I play at Tennessee, obviously I'm in the SEC 457 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: and I play at Niland, so I'm taking care of 458 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: all that. But I also get access to some of 459 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: the greatest natural resources in the United States of America. 460 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: Based on my interest. Now, I would also not complain 461 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: if you put me at Hawaii. I may give up 462 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: the game day atmospheres, but I'm gaining I don't know Hawaii. 463 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: I could also go at UCLA. You know, I could 464 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: live in southern California because I love the beach too. 465 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: I could go to Miami. 466 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: Diddoh. 467 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: What if I went to Oklahoma or Oklahoma State and 468 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: I studied storm chasing or I studied atmospheric science. I 469 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: would unofficially study storm chasing, so I would give myself 470 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: access to that, But then I would also in the 471 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: winter be in the Midwest, and the Midwest in the 472 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: winter is no place I. 473 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: Want to be. 474 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I'd be tied down with spring practice, so 475 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: I probably couldn't fully partake in the most active storm 476 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: chasing season of the year. So that's probably going to 477 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: be out for me. But I think again, I'm going 478 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: to get some responses on this, and you'll probably change 479 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: my mind. Because I didn't have a ton of time 480 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: to break this down. I think my answer, Clark is 481 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: going to be either Tennessee or Oregon. And I got 482 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: several honorable mentions. Here's one about a program that is 483 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: a little off the radar and it shouldn't be. What 484 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on justin flinte and the Virginia Tech Hokies. 485 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: The majority of VA Tech fans think he'll be out 486 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: of a job at the end of twenty twenty one. 487 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: Well, and this is my answer. 488 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: Now, I think a lot of you he thought he 489 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: was going to be out of a job after twenty 490 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: twenty and I was with you. 491 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: I thought that too. 492 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: Once we started seeing that cascade of irrelevancy to the 493 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: preseason no one's going to be fired argument, and once 494 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: the money came in, then all of a sudden, everyone 495 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: was on the chopping block that would have normally been on. 496 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: The chopping block. 497 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: And so I thought, since that was the case, and 498 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: other programs had made a move first, and Shane Beemer 499 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: was going to be in play, who theoretically would be 500 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: among the short list to replace Justin Fointe, I thought 501 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech was going to make a move. Well they didn't. 502 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: Now here's what you never know. Here's why I'm very leery. 503 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm always very leary. I almost never do it of 504 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: calling for a coach's job. In fact, you can count 505 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: on one hand the number of times I've ever done it. 506 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: I can't even off the top of my head to 507 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: remember now what I will do sometimes is if I 508 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: get intel that leads me to believe a guy's going 509 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: to be out regardless of. 510 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: My opinion on him. 511 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, like I heard that about Tom Herman 512 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: last year, So I told you I didn't necessarily say 513 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: I think he needs to be gone. I mean, maybe 514 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: I agreed, maybe I didn't, But I just keep that 515 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: to myself a lot of times. And here's why. It's 516 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: not just a matter of principle on the surface. It's 517 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: a deeper seated principle in that I understand what I 518 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: don't understand. Let's use justin fuinte. Do any of you 519 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: know the specific financials of the athletic department there? Do 520 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: you know about budget limitations? Do you know about staffing shortages? 521 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: Do you know about the nose he's gotten on facility 522 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: upgrade enhancement request? 523 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: I do. 524 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: It's not any inside information I've been given. I've been 525 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: doing a lot of reading on him and some other 526 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: programs in the ACC over the last week for some 527 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: stuff we're going to do over the summer. They're very, 528 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: very shorthanded. I mean, he's been dealing from a short 529 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: deck and. 530 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make excuses. 531 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm merely trying to suggest there are reasons sometimes beneath 532 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: the surface for why you see under achievement, to draw 533 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: it closer to home, to make it relatable to a 534 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: bigger portion of our listening audience. This happened with Mark 535 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: Rick at the University of Georgia for a long time. 536 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: You may be listening right now in Laredo, Texas and 537 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: saying to yourself, Georgia, no one ever gets told no 538 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: to anything at Georgia. 539 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no. 540 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: Kirby Smart doesn't get told no to anything at Georgia. 541 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: But that wasn't the way it was for his predecessor. 542 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: See that's why Smart was a game changer for Georgia. 543 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: He came in from Alabama, where there's a guy named 544 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Nick Saban coaching, And when Georgia hired Smart or they 545 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: were interviewing him, he said, well, what do you want 546 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: from me? And they said, well, we want to do 547 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: what Alabama's doing. He essentially said, are you willing to 548 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: do what Alabama does for Nick Saban? They said, well, yeah, 549 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: we do already. He said, really, cause I'm looking at 550 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: the analyst staff and the support staff here in the 551 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: recruiting budget and this and that and YadA YadA YadA. 552 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: No you're not doing that. You're doing a fraction of that. 553 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: And he finally got them to loosen up their sweater 554 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: vest and their bow ties a little bit and say, Okay, 555 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: whatever you need, we got you. We got your back. 556 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: So now there's no excuse at Georgia. But when Rick 557 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: was there, Mark Rick was just said, heads up against 558 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: Nick Saban. We need you to match him, and so 559 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: every Saturday we're going to have our eye on you. 560 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: And you know, he didn't back down. He said, okay, 561 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. But then he'd walk in the 562 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: office a random Tuesday afternoon in June and say, I 563 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: need to add five support staffers. I need to add 564 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: five recruiting analyst said, no, we don't have room in 565 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: the budget for that. What do you mean we don't 566 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: have room. I just told you we needed a make room. 567 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's not how it works here, Mark. 568 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: We got to get pass it by this committee and 569 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: this council, and it's got to go to this board 570 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: for approval. Well, Nick Saban just does like this, He 571 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: just snaps his fingers and they just appear there. They 572 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: are poof just they weren't here yesterday and they're here today. 573 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: Mine they got pushed up the chain of command really quickly. 574 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: Oh he is the chain of command. That's not actually 575 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: the way it works, but it kind of is the 576 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: way it works. So my point is, how do we 577 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: know what the internal dynamic is at a place like 578 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech when we look at Justin Flinta and we 579 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: think he's underachieved and we don't like the energy of 580 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: the program or the direction. I can agree with all that, 581 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: I can get on board. I'm just saying sometimes, since 582 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: you pay a guy a bunch of money, he becomes 583 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: the face of the program, and that everyone understands. Jimbo 584 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: Fisher gets it. Nick Saban gets it. Justin Flinte gets it. 585 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: But it doesn't change reality. See, I could pay Justin 586 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: Flinte one hundred million dollars if I'm not giving him 587 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: the staff that he needs, if I'm not giving him 588 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: the facility enhancements and upgrades, if I'm not giving him 589 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: the budget flexibility that he needs to compare not to Clemson, 590 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: but maybe to the other programs in the second and 591 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: third tiers of the ACC. If I'm not given him that, 592 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: it's totally irresponsible of me and unfair for me to 593 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: expect him to compete. And by the way, this is 594 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: where we can circle back to Iowa State. And I've 595 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: told you I've done several segments on this Iowa State 596 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and Matt Campbell, the head coach at Iowa State, is 597 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: ruining it for a lot of people because right now, 598 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I could be an administrator at Virginia Tech and I 599 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: could shortchange Justin Fwinte to the left and right up 600 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: and down every day twice on Sunday. And when he 601 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: comes to me and complains and says, I don't have 602 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: but sixty eight percent of the staff that Mack Brown 603 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: does at North Carolina. I don't even have but forty 604 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: percent of the recruiting budget Dabo has. How am I 605 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: supposed to compete? Here's what I can do. I can say, Uh, 606 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of Matt Campbell? Have you ever 607 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: seen Iowa State? Because they are in the same position 608 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: you're in, and they're competing with Oklahoma and they're going 609 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: to the Fiesta Bowl. 610 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: So why can't you do it? You just got to 611 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: get creative. 612 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: Now, Anybody out there who's ever run any kind of 613 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: organization understands. You don't use the unicorn as your standard. 614 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: You look at the unicorn, you admire it, you softly 615 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: petted on the nose. You don't expect Justin Fointe to 616 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: grow the horn out of his nose though, and become 617 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: the next unicorn. Matt Campbell's don't grow on trees. So 618 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: Matt Campbell's the exception out there. Great for Iowa State. 619 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: If you're going to try and use that model, you're 620 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: probably just gonna drift off into the Atlantic eventually. That's not, 621 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: in all likelihood the way it's going to happen. So 622 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: I guess to conclude here my thoughts on Justin Fointe 623 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: are they've underachieved. I've been disappointed in the outcomes. Maybe 624 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: it's all on him, Maybe it's eighty twenty on him, 625 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a fifty to fifty deal, and we 626 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: just don't know. In any event, here's what we do know. 627 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: Administrators aren't the ones who are going to be fired. 628 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be Justin Fointe at the end of 629 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: the day. And I think the end of that day, 630 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: like you said here in the question, is probably pretty close. 631 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: I think if status quo is maintained one more year, he'll. 632 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 2: Be out of there. 633 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: I got to be out of here now because we 634 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: got to get ready for a Late Kick Live tonight. 635 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Remember all the as 636 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: we call them, the calls to action. Follow that Instagram 637 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: account at Late Kick Josh, hit me up if you 638 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: want to Zoom consultation Josh pat seven zero six at 639 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. For producer Jordan, I'm Josh Pate. Have 640 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: yourselves a great rest of your afternoon, and God bless