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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to a special episode of

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Speaker 2: Foul Territory. I am your host, Alana Rizzo. I am

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Speaker 2: pleased to be joined by Kyle Glazer, does a great

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Speaker 2: job covering the San Diego Padres among the other twenty

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Speaker 2: nine teams, and Jack Sommers, who does a tremendous job

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Speaker 2: covering the Arizona Diamondbacks. We welcome you to the NL

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Speaker 2: West Round Table as we get set for the second

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Speaker 3: Kyle.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you. Are the Dodgers, in your opinion,

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Speaker 4: I don't know about winning it again, but winning this

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Speaker 2: Jack, let me ask you about the Arizona Diamondbacks. This

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Speaker 2: spent more money this year on their payroll on their

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Speaker 2: I guess with what they have that they're even still

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Speaker 5: I think that Tory Leavella gets a lot of credit

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, Kyle.

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Speaker 2: When you look at the San Diego Padres and what

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Speaker 4: There's two key developments that have to happen with the offense.

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Speaker 4: They're a great defensive team. They've been running the base

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Speaker 4: First and foremost, they need to get their stars going.

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Speaker 2: I think every team, all thirty teams, could say that

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Speaker 2: What does that mean for them? Do they go after

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Speaker 2: Jack the Diamondbacks will face the San Francisco Giants six

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Speaker 5: Well, the Giants look like a team that obviously could

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Speaker 2: And with you, Kyle, if you look at the San

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Speaker 2: what Jack was just saying. Let's see what Buster Posey's

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Speaker 2: Are they as good as they seem to be?

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Speaker 4: The pitching is as good as it seems to be.

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Speaker 4: You look at what Logan Webb's been able to do

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Speaker 2: Do the Arizona Diamondbacks make the postseason in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: I do not believe they do. There's just too much

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Speaker 2: Kyle, how do the Padres make the postseason in twenty

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Speaker 4: Everyone has to start hitting and they need to bring

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Speaker 2: Jackie brought up the point that the Dodgers and the

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Speaker 2: more times this season. Who wins the division in your opinion,

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Speaker 5: The smart money has to be on the Dodgers, of course,

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Speaker 2: All right, if I'm a betting person, all right, got

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys very much. Kyle Glazer, host of

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Speaker 6: Welcome back to Foul Territory.

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Speaker 9: I'm Chandler Roam of Crush City Territory, joined by Cody

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Speaker 9: first half that I don't think played out as many

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it was hard entering this season

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Speaker 1: They've obviously had a million things go right. They've played

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Speaker 9: Now, Max, the AL East always right for storylines, there's

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Speaker 9: What have you sized up about the Al least maybe

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Speaker 9: from top to bottom that has the Yankees right now

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Speaker 10: Well, if we were having this conversation a month ago,

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Speaker 9: Watching the Yankees play the Mariners, you are getting an

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Speaker 9: is the Texas Rangers have severely underperformed. They have the

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Speaker 9: league's lowest ERA but somehow can't hit, to the point

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Speaker 9: where they got Bret Boone to come be their hitting

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Speaker 9: coach in mid May to try to turn things around.

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Speaker 9: The Angels have been a surprise, but certainly I don't

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Speaker 9: think a team that anyone fancies a contender. The A's

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Speaker 9: are miserable in a Triple A ballpark, So it leaves

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Speaker 9: the Astros and the Mariners jockeying for the division lead.

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Speaker 9: And the Astros have kind of shown that they're inevitable

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Speaker 9: and until someone dethrones them, I don't think I'm gonna

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Speaker 9: pick against the Astros to win the AL West. They're

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Speaker 9: doing this with, like I said, a skeleton crew of people,

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Speaker 9: but they have found a way to tap into the

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Speaker 9: little organizational depth they have to compensate for some of

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Speaker 9: these injuries, for some of these underperformance. You know, as

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Speaker 9: we look going forward, guys, what do you think is

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Speaker 9: the biggest threat maybe to your team's pursuit of a

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Speaker 9: playoff spot, your team's pursuit of a division title. I

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Speaker 9: just said the Astros, it's gonna be injuries. They've got

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Speaker 9: to get Jeremy Panna back. They've got to get Jordan

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Speaker 9: Alvarez back from his broken hand. They've got about four

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Speaker 9: or five guys rehabbing at their West Pitchers rehabing in

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Speaker 9: West Palm Beach at their spring training facility. They need

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Speaker 9: at least two or three of them to come back

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Speaker 9: and give a boost to this pitching staff.

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Speaker 6: Max.

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Speaker 9: As you look at the Yankees, what is maybe their

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Speaker 9: biggest threat trying to get a AL playoff spot or

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Speaker 9: win the American League East.

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Speaker 10: I mentioned that they have a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 10: I think it comes down to the injuries and the

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Speaker 10: holes with this roster and Yankees GM Brian Cashman spoke

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Speaker 10: recently about the trade deadline, and even he admitted that

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Speaker 10: he's got quite a hefty shopping list that he's going

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Speaker 10: to have to try to take care of here. And

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Speaker 10: they're going to go to town this month of July and

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Speaker 10: try to upgrade this roster. But there are no guarantees

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Speaker 10: that you're going to be able to bring in a

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Speaker 10: third baseman, which was a weakness even going into this season.

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Speaker 10: Finally they cut ties with DJ Lemayhew, but a mix

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Speaker 10: of Oswald, Perrazza and your beat Vivas is not going

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Speaker 10: to cut it at third, especially not offensively. Starting pitching,

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Speaker 10: Garrett Cole hasn't thrown a pitch all year and he

477
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Speaker 10: won't heet Tommy John surgery. Clark Schmidt recently went down

478
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Speaker 10: with the same procedure and Luis Heel might not be

479
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Speaker 10: back for another month, if not at the very least

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Speaker 10: in early August. So they need a starter who's going

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Speaker 10: to pitch Game three of a playoff series behind Freed

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Speaker 10: and Rodin, and then the bullpen too. Man, it's been

483
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Speaker 10: a rough go for that bullpen over the last several weeks.

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Speaker 10: Williams has distinguished himself as the true closer for them,

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Speaker 10: and Luke Weaver is still that setup guy. But you're

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Speaker 10: missing Mark Lighter, Junior Fernando Cruz, They're both hurt. Jonathan

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Speaker 10: Wisega has not looked like the old version of himself

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Speaker 10: this year. So they got to go out and get reinforcements,

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Speaker 10: not only to have more high leverage options, but to

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Speaker 10: get to October, because you don't want your best leidening

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Speaker 10: guys to burn out too early.

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Speaker 9: Cody biggest threat maybe internally or externally to the Tigers,

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Speaker 9: and they're as we just have talked about their best

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Speaker 9: record in baseball. What's maybe their biggest threat the next

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Speaker 9: couple months of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least in regards to the Ale Central, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure they have to worry much about an external threat.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Tigers overcame near insurmountable odds. They had

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Speaker 1: zero point two percent playoff chances in August. That's nearly inverse.

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Speaker 1: Now they have enough to weather anything that might go

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Speaker 1: wrong in the second half. But if we think bigger,

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Speaker 1: if we think the American League got large, how can

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Speaker 1: the Tigers maintain the best record in baseball? And when

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Speaker 1: the AL I think you really have to look at

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Speaker 1: their pitching. We've seen some cracks in that framework. In June.

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Speaker 1: The Tiger's bullpen era ranked twenty sixth. Will Veast and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Cainley have been very good at the back end.

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Speaker 1: Chase Lee has been an interesting story, but otherwise there

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Speaker 1: are not a lot of dependable options in the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Scott Harris and the Tigers are going to be tested

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Speaker 1: on how aggressive they will be at the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to get at least one

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Speaker 1: leverage reliever, maybe two, add some swing and miss to

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Speaker 1: this bullpen. And then even in the rotation the Tigers have,

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Speaker 1: of course, Trek's scouble Casey miz is having a nice

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Speaker 1: year resols and just got back from injury. Jack Flaherty

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Speaker 1: hasn't been very reliable. They don't have a stable fifth starter.

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Speaker 1: There's a case they should add starting pitching too, And

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Speaker 1: that's another thing. The Tigers ride so heavily on Trek's scooble.

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Speaker 1: What if something goes wrong there? What if he gets

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Speaker 1: takes a comeback or off the foot and has to

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Speaker 1: miss some time. I mean, I think there's a case

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Speaker 1: to both bolstering the rotation. They're gonna lane on some

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Speaker 1: internal improvements, guys like Tyler Holton who have been very

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Speaker 1: good in the past and maybe not quite as good

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Speaker 1: so far this season, but they're gonna have to shore

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Speaker 1: up the pitching a little bit to fully get the

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Speaker 1: job done.

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Speaker 9: I think, Cody, I'm insanely jealous. You get to watch

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Speaker 9: Trek Schoolgill pitch every fifth day. Max, I'm insanely jealous

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Speaker 9: you get to watch Aaron Judge take a bats every day.

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Speaker 6: You two guys.

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Speaker 9: Cover probably the well not probably. You cover the best

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Speaker 9: pitcher in baseball, Cody, Max, you cover the best player

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Speaker 9: position player in baseball. So the answer to this next

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Speaker 9: question is pretty can be pretty obvious for you guys,

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Speaker 9: but I want you to think outside the box a

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Speaker 9: little bit. Why are the Yankees' best position to exceed

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Speaker 9: in October Max and Aaron Judge can't be your answer.

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Speaker 10: Can I say the offense as a whole?

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Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, I'll say the offense as a whole.

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Speaker 10: I think that you mentioned the Brian Wu game, and

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Speaker 10: I think that's a perfect example here that this offense

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Speaker 10: is really never out of a ballgame, and they can

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Speaker 10: put up crooked numbers like the best of them. And

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Speaker 10: that summer swoon that they've seemingly emerged from was a

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Speaker 10: sign of the fact that it's an imperfect offense in

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Speaker 10: the sense that they do struggle at times with situational hitting.

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Speaker 10: But when they're firing on all cylinders, when John Carlos

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Speaker 10: Stanton is leaving the ballpark, when you're getting more production

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Speaker 10: from those youngsters who have stepped up this year, Ben Rice,

553
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Speaker 10: Jason Dimingez, when the veterans Cody Bellinger has looked great

554
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Speaker 10: this year, the whole Plan B experience trying to figure

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Speaker 10: out who's going to step up after losing out on

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Speaker 10: Juan Soto and free agency. Paul Goldschmiz had a pretty

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Speaker 10: solid season too. A lot of the guys that they've

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Speaker 10: brought in have have performed and in many cases exceeded expectations.

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Speaker 10: So the left side of the infield, it's been a

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Speaker 10: disappointing year for Anthony Volpi, and again, third base is

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Speaker 10: still a black hole on offense for the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: If they can bring in.

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Speaker 10: A slugger to play third and shore up that spot,

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Speaker 10: then this offense really has the ability to beat any

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Speaker 10: pitching staff out there. Granted, you face Detroit in the

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Speaker 10: playoff series and you've got Scooble for two or three games,

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Speaker 10: and it gets a little tougher and you wonder if

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Speaker 10: it's enough. But the upside of this Yankees offense can

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Speaker 10: take them all the way through October.

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Speaker 9: Cody, you can't take Trek Scobel out of the equation.

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Speaker 9: He's obviously going to be a big reason the Tigers

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Speaker 9: excel in October if they do. But maybe outside of Schooble,

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Speaker 9: what is the Tigers' best attribute that will allow them

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Speaker 9: to excel in October?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in like a five game Alds having Schooble pretty

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Speaker 1: good built in advantage. But if you're looking to win

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Speaker 1: a seven game series, that's more where the Tigers are

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Speaker 1: geared this year. I think that's where it's worth considering

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Speaker 1: the fact they're really well rounded. This is not a

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Speaker 1: perfect team. I just talked about some of the weaknesses

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Speaker 1: and the pitching staff. It's not a lineup full of

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Speaker 1: stars and guys we think of as traditional sluggers. But

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Speaker 1: they've had success, They've had a good off but they

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Speaker 1: do a lot of little things well. They go first

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Speaker 1: to third at the highest rate in baseball. They get

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Speaker 1: the platoon advantage nearly as often as anyone in baseball.

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Speaker 1: They have a manager in aj Hinch, who has both

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Speaker 1: won in the postseason before and is regarded as one

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Speaker 1: of the best tacticians in the sport. I think you

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Speaker 1: look around and it's hard to make it case there's

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Speaker 1: another team as well rounded as the Tigers. The Astros

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Speaker 1: are always a looming threat, but the Tigers beat the

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Speaker 1: Astros in the playoffs last year. This is a better

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Speaker 1: Tigers team, at least on paper. I'm not sure it's

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Speaker 1: a better Astros team the Yankees. Man, there's some star

596
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Speaker 1: power there, there's some slug there, but we've already seen

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Speaker 1: midseason like how quickly things can go wrong in the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: The Mariners are an interesting team. The Jays are an

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Speaker 1: interesting team. I think there's still a lot that could

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Speaker 1: change in the second half in the American League. I

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Speaker 1: think the Tigers well roundedness, the way they do the

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Speaker 1: little things is going to serve them well and give

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Speaker 1: them a chance to compete with anybody.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, on paper, this is a worse Astros team than

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Speaker 9: the one that lost the Tigers in the Wildcard Series

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Speaker 9: last year. But somehow they have a better record, and

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Speaker 9: somehow they have soared to seventeen games above five hundred.

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Speaker 9: How that happened is what will allow the Astros to

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Speaker 9: succeed in October. They have two of the best starting

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Speaker 9: pitchers in baseball, and Hunter Brown and Fromer Valdez. In

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Speaker 9: a seven game series, if you can get four starts

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Speaker 9: out of them, that's an advantage that not a lot

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Speaker 9: of teams will have. They have two of the best

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Speaker 9: relievers in baseball and setup man Bryan and Bray you

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Speaker 9: closer Josh Hater, who is pitching like every bit of

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Speaker 9: the ninety five million dollar closer the Astros believe they

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Speaker 9: were getting last season. So when you can shorten a

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Speaker 9: game in the postseason with those four arms, you have

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Speaker 9: a pretty pretty good advantage in October. But I think

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Speaker 9: the Astros' biggest advantage in October is twofold one. It's

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Speaker 9: Jose al Tube. He was just a steady heartbeat, a

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Speaker 9: guy that will enter this October second in a second

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Speaker 9: all time in postseason home runs behind Manny Ramirez, as

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Speaker 9: he is the engine that makes this thing go. Even

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Speaker 9: if he is not maybe the most vocal ra ra guy,

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Speaker 9: He's gonna be the guy in the playoffs that really

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Speaker 9: this entire team turns to. And you know that segues

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Speaker 9: into what the next thing that makes the Astros so

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Speaker 9: dangerous in October it's just their aura, It's their inevitability.

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Speaker 9: You kind of just I think other teams. The Tigers

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Speaker 9: may have dispelled this theory last year, but when a

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Speaker 9: team runs up against the Astros in the postseason, it

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Speaker 9: just seems like, no matter who is wearing in the

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Speaker 9: Ashers uniform, someone is able to come through. Someone always

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Speaker 9: steps up on the biggest stage.

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Speaker 6: It is a.

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Speaker 9: Playoff experience team that there's few other teams in the

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Speaker 9: AL that can claim to have that much October experience.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's gonna be maybe what tips the

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Speaker 9: scales in the astros favor as this October comes and looms,

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Speaker 9: and you know it's a it's a difficult AL playoff

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Speaker 9: picture to maybe maybe diagnose at the moment, but this

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Speaker 9: is an Astros team with enough experience and enough just

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Speaker 9: in ability about them to make you think they have

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Speaker 9: a deep run in them. Thanks for watching this AL

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Speaker 9: Contenders Roundtable. Be sure check out Max's work at NJ

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Speaker 9: dot com and subscribe to Tiger and Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 11: Welcome back to Foul Territory. My name is Brad Rowland.

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Speaker 11: I'm one of the hosts of the Hammer Territory podcast

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Speaker 11: covering the Atlanta Braves all year round, and I'm joining

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Speaker 11: this NL East roundtable by a couple of friends. We

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Speaker 11: have Jim Salisbury from The Philly Show and James Chiano

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Speaker 11: from Mets Up. Guys, welcome, how are we doing?

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Speaker 6: Doing great? Thanks Brad, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 12: Doing great, Really excited to talk about a very interesting division,

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Speaker 12: National League East.

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Speaker 11: It has been interesting. The team that I covered the most,

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Speaker 11: Atlanta Braves, is interesting for a not so good reason.

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Speaker 11: We'll probably come back to that at some point of them.

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Speaker 11: But unless you're a Metrophillies fan, of course, But what

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Speaker 11: would you say is the kind of biggest first half

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Speaker 11: storyline in the division could be a team that could

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Speaker 11: be the team you cover, could be another team. But

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Speaker 11: what do you guys think is the kind of lead

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Speaker 11: storyline of the first quote unquote half of the season

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Speaker 11: of the division?

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Speaker 13: Can I say the Braves are in fourth place? I

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Speaker 13: think that's pretty significant, But yeah, I'm not sure if

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Speaker 13: I can pick the biggest storyline. One of my big

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Speaker 13: interests coming into this season was could the New York

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Speaker 13: Mets recapture that great chemistry they had for the final

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Speaker 13: really four months of the regular season last year and

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Speaker 13: into the postseason. I think they've done a pretty good

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Speaker 13: job at it. It's really kind of shaping up as

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Speaker 13: a two team race with them in the Phillies. Mets

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Speaker 13: have had some injury problems in their rotation, but I

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Speaker 13: think they're going to make it interesting as their guys

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Speaker 13: get healthy. But honestly, for me, probably the biggest storyline

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Speaker 13: is the fact that the Braves are not going to

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Speaker 13: be at this party in the second half.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, sadly, I do agree with Jim that I think

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Speaker 12: the biggest story is the fact that the Braves have

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Speaker 12: fallen off to the degree that they have basically the

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Speaker 12: only team baseball and they can beat is the Mets,

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Speaker 12: which is much to my chagrin, but the fact that

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Speaker 12: we're going through this race and something that was really

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Speaker 12: meant to be a three team race, something that it

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Speaker 12: would have delivered well as a three team race because

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Speaker 12: the Mets in the Phillies are while they have both

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Speaker 12: had amazing seasons, they both have hot streaks and cold streaks,

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Speaker 12: they are have both shown some flaws bye being some

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Speaker 12: of the better teams the National League. Like it would

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Speaker 12: be the perfect trio with the Braves as a three

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Speaker 12: team race, but they've just between the injuries and the

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Speaker 12: inconsistency and the poor play from some stars.

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Speaker 3: Brad.

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Speaker 12: I remember when I came on your Guys show as

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Speaker 12: for a Mets previews the beginning of the season. You

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Speaker 12: guys ask me like, what has to happen for the

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Speaker 12: Mets to win this division? And I was like, I'm

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Speaker 12: going to tell you ten things that have to go

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Speaker 12: wrong for the Braves, and we need about seven of

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Speaker 12: them to come through, and somehow maybe eight or nine

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Speaker 12: of them have actually come through, with the exception Broald

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Speaker 12: Dacrune Junior returning and being a superstar. But that is that,

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Speaker 12: to me, is the story, along with something I'm sure

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Speaker 12: we're not going to talk about much past this, so

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Speaker 12: I want to give it some mention. The Marlins going

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Speaker 12: on becoming something like an okay decent team over the

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Speaker 12: last two months, I think is something that needs more

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Speaker 12: recognition because they're likely going to sell against the deadline,

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Speaker 12: They're likely not going to compete for a while cart spot.

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Speaker 12: But this was a team that many thought in April

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Speaker 12: and May was destined to have one of the worst

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Speaker 12: records in Major League history, and they've gotten themselves within

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Speaker 12: a stone starre off five hundred, which is amazing. And

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Speaker 12: the fall off of the Nationals that has now coincided

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Speaker 12: with the firing of Davey Martinez and general matger Mike

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Speaker 12: Grizzo in theast the last couple of weeks. So I

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Speaker 12: think that those are interesting storylines, but there are far

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Speaker 12: behind the race of the Mets and Phillies and the

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Speaker 12: complete dissolution of the Braves.

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Speaker 11: I certainly agree. I was going to mention the Marlins

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Speaker 11: if you did, just to give them a little bit

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Speaker 11: of a shot out for playing better baseball, and they're

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Speaker 11: right there with the Braves, which is not where anybody

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Speaker 11: would even the biggest Braves hater would not have had

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Speaker 11: the Marlins even or ahead of them at the All

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Speaker 11: Star break, and I think that the answer is the Braves.

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Speaker 11: But look, I'm actually intrigued to watch the Phillies Mets

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Speaker 11: battle for the rest of the season at the top

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Speaker 11: of the division. Intrigued is not excited. I'm using intrigued

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Speaker 11: in a less excited or positive sense, But I am

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Speaker 11: interested in it to see which team kind of you know,

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Speaker 11: crowds out the other and wins the division and then obviously,

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Speaker 11: you know, good set up for wildcard stuff as well.

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Speaker 11: I want to look ahead of the second half a

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Speaker 11: little bit and say, you know, that's kind of the

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Speaker 11: I think that's probably the headline topic looking forward is

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Speaker 11: the Mets versus Phillies battle. I'm sure you guys both

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Speaker 11: have big time thoughts as to what's going to be

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Speaker 11: happening in this race. I will leave it up to

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Speaker 11: you to see who has the first salvo in this

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Speaker 11: back and forth in the Phillies and the Mets.

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Speaker 6: God, James, we hear you.

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Speaker 12: One thing that I'm a little disappointed in between what's

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Speaker 12: going to be a great second half between the Mets

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Speaker 12: and the Phillies is the way that we've now changed

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Speaker 12: the major league schedule over the last few years, so

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Speaker 12: the Mets and Phillies haven't seen each other for a

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Speaker 12: while now, and then we're not going to play again

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Speaker 12: until Monday, August twenty fifth, and then we'll play the

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Speaker 12: Phillies seven times in about a three week stretch as

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Speaker 12: the series closes. This would be a great summer to

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Speaker 12: have the old school schedule. We have six series, five

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Speaker 12: series against the Phillies to figure out this division.

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Speaker 3: Mono Imano, but the Phillies are like.

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Speaker 12: Just sadly, who we thought they were is probably right

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Speaker 12: now still the best or one of the top three

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Speaker 12: rotations in all baseball with four guys who are just clicking.

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Speaker 12: I know, hey, sus Lazar, they'll have his has his

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Speaker 12: blow ups ever here and there, but still on the

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Speaker 12: started and start out basis, he's somewhat to fear. Zach

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Speaker 12: Wheeler is the best pitcher in the National League right now.

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Speaker 12: He's pitching like the best pitcher in the National League.

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Speaker 12: Aaron Nola will come back. I'll never believe that Aaronola

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Speaker 12: will is the guy who saw in the first half.

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Speaker 12: I think we'll see a rebound in Aaronola and Christopher

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Speaker 12: Sanchez and Ranger Suarez just man as in terms of

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Speaker 12: lefties in the National League.

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Speaker 3: Like who is the better guys than that?

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Speaker 12: With Lazardo on top, Like, that's a five man rotation

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Speaker 12: that is terrifying to me as a Mets fan and

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Speaker 12: one that I'm not excited to have to catch games

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Speaker 12: against guys who go through the second half.

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Speaker 13: It is a fantastic rotation, one that we often draw

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Speaker 13: parallels with the twenty eleven rotation, which was also a

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Speaker 13: great one with Halliday, Lee Cole Hamill's roy Oswalt.

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Speaker 6: And that rotation.

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Speaker 13: The Filis rotation has lived up with you know, the

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Speaker 13: preseason copy on this team was a good, great rotation,

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Speaker 13: and they've really been a great rotation.

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Speaker 6: Lozardo has been a nice pickup. He had a couple.

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Speaker 13: Pretty serious blips, but he's you know, he's overcome them.

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Speaker 13: And that rotation is so deep and so effective. I

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Speaker 13: think it's going to help them down the road solve

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Speaker 13: some issues in their bullpen. Bullpen inconsistent offense. You know,

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Speaker 13: they have some wild highs on the offense and they

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Speaker 13: that and the bullpen I think are this team's two

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Speaker 13: biggest weaknesses. Dave Dombrowski's going to address that bullpen. They're

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Speaker 13: going to get a shut down down arm at the

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Speaker 13: trade deadline.

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Speaker 6: They have to. They have to.

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Speaker 13: They can't risk going forward with this bullpen the way

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Speaker 13: it is. And then I think they'll get somebody out

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Speaker 13: of that rotation that'll go down there and help.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, Aaron Nola. I don't count him out.

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Speaker 13: I think he's going to come back and have a

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Speaker 13: nice stretch drive and Zach Wheeler for Mets fans, that's

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Speaker 13: got to really sting watching him, you know, leave the

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Speaker 13: Mets and just have this kind of mid career ascension,

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Speaker 13: not just to be very good, but to be among

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Speaker 13: the one or two very elite pictures in this game.

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Speaker 13: He's a really great one, a fun one to watch.

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Speaker 13: And that the Phillies rotation, you know, I expect him

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Speaker 13: fully to play in October. I expect that rotation to

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Speaker 13: give them an advantage on most nights, but they have

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Speaker 13: to avoid you know, the nights where they have tons

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Speaker 13: of swing and miss, tons of strikeouts left on base,

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Speaker 13: you know, those one for ten with scoring runners and

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Speaker 13: scoring position nights, and they need to fix the bullpen.

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Speaker 13: If they do that, I think they're a legit World

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Speaker 13: Series contender.

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Speaker 11: It's actually a good opportunity to look at a tried

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Speaker 11: and true topic during the All Star break, and that

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Speaker 11: is the deadline, which Jim just brought up. What teams

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Speaker 11: are going to be trying to do, I know, covering

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Speaker 11: the Braves. It's different than I thought it was going

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Speaker 11: to be. They're talking about maybe even selling a little

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Speaker 11: bit in a way that was not anticipated. There's been

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Speaker 11: pushback locally. I would say all on the record and

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Speaker 11: off the record that they're not going to sell guys

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Speaker 11: with future contracts. But they're weigh in this balance now

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Speaker 11: where it's like, hey, if you're really going to be

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Speaker 11: out of it, you might want to consider a more

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Speaker 11: big picture overall change. But it's mostly do you sell

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Speaker 11: or do you kind of hold steady. I wonder what

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Speaker 11: you guys think about. Obviously you would be a buying

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Speaker 11: motive for the Phillies and the Mets, But we can

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Speaker 11: go back to gym like, is it just is it

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Speaker 11: as simple as the bullpen as the priority?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 11: What does the priority list look like for the Affillies?

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Speaker 11: They have the deadline.

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Speaker 13: Priorities bullpen, big arm, shut down on leverage arm, maybe

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Speaker 13: with some experience, maybe even with a little control in

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Speaker 13: future seasons, because I think they're willing to give up.

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Speaker 13: They have, you know, a handful of really nice prospects

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Speaker 13: at the high end, top end of their minor league system,

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Speaker 13: and they're willing to to, you know, bite down and

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Speaker 13: give up somebody to get the right reliever.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 13: You look at this nucleus, you know you only get

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Speaker 13: Zach Wheeler is going to retire in two years. He's

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Speaker 13: thirty five years old. Bryce Harper's over thirty, Trey turn

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Speaker 13: is over thirty, Castiano Schwarmer, Real Mudo all over thirty.

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Speaker 13: The odometer on this team is high. They're not going

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Speaker 13: to be together forever. It's sort of like win now

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Speaker 13: when next year times are getting you know, the clock

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Speaker 13: is running on this team. So they are prepared to

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Speaker 13: give up a prospect, maybe two, for the piece they

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Speaker 13: think will put them over the top. So I think

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Speaker 13: it's going to be a busy trade deadline for the Phillies,

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Speaker 13: prioritizing a leverage arm or shut down arm at the

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Speaker 13: back of the bullpen. If they can get two of them.

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Speaker 13: They'd love to get two of them. I'm talking you know,

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Speaker 13: one upper tier maybe one mid mid tier guy back there,

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Speaker 13: and they would love to bring in a right handed

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Speaker 13: bat to help out in the outfield. But you know,

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Speaker 13: you look at the guys that are out there, and

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Speaker 13: nothing really jumps out at you. I think there's guys

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Speaker 13: out there that could mitigate some of their problems, maybe

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Speaker 13: in left field, maybe as a platoon guy on the

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Speaker 13: right handed side, but first and foremost it's bullpen.

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00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 12: I think the Mets have a similar approach to the Phillies

867
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 12: where but even more so where we need kind of

868
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 12: one of everything. The Mets could use at least one

869
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 12: or two relievers. They could probably use one mid level

870
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 12: rotation star the even with the returns of Coda, Sang

871
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 12: and Sean and I, you just never know what the

872
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 12: second half will hold in terms of health for those

873
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 12: guys and the rest of a rotation. Even with those guys,

874
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 12: the Mets only have a five man rotation. In the

875
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 12: past with codes Sega, they've shown to prefer six man

876
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 12: rotation most of the time, and then the Mets lineup

877
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 12: as talent as the top half is. It's been inconsistent

878
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 12: for most of the season, especially with runners in scoring position,

879
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 12: which is something.

880
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: That we hope does level out over time.

881
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 12: Based on the talent we know we have and the

882
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 12: process stats, we know the Mets are doing well, but

883
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 12: there probably does need to be some kind of right

884
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 12: handed bat that steadies this bench in the bottom of

885
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 12: the order in lieu of the guys who are there

886
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 12: trying to do it like Starling Marte. You know, Mark

887
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 12: Fientos has had a very very poor season trying to

888
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 12: follow up his heroics of last year. The Mets probably

889
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 12: do need to take a bit more of an all

890
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 12: fields approach to this trade deadline, find a little bit

891
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 12: of everything. I still do think, similar to the Phillies,

892
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 12: the number one need for this team is bullpen help.

893
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 12: It's not exactly a shutdown guy like the Phillies need,

894
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 12: with you know, with us having Edwind Diaz in the backside,

895
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 12: but before Edwin Diaz there's Reed Garrett, who is I

896
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 12: think a very high, high level believer, but then it

897
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 12: still has his moments of inconsistency. There needs to be

898
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 12: one or two guys thrown into that mix to make

899
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 12: this team have the kind of upside that we felt

900
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 12: like they had last year. Getting two games away from

901
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 12: the World Series.

902
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 13: If I could, do you think the Braves would move

903
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 13: any any relievers. I'm not saying they would move them

904
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 13: within the division, you know what do you think?

905
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was gonna say probably not to the Phillies

906
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 11: with the Mets if I had to guess, unless the

907
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 11: return was absurd. But yeah, I think that's the one

908
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 11: area other than something like like Marcelo Zuna, who's on

909
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 11: an expiring contract. He's the other guy that could be available.

910
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 11: But yeah, I think the bullpen is probably the natural

911
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 11: place for the Braves to maybe trade a few guys.

912
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 11: You know, Ray saw Glacis is right of the ship recently,

913
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 11: he had a very rough start of the season, but

914
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 11: he's an expiring deal, proven late ending reliever, big dollar cost,

915
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 11: but as a good picture with a long record. Pierce

916
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 11: Johnson kind of a secondary guy to that. They have

917
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 11: a couple of guys who are expiring contracts, and even

918
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 11: beyond that, you got a couple of Aaron Bummers wrapped

919
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 11: up as well, multi year deal. But certainly, if I'm

920
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 11: the Braves and I'm looking long term relievers, is where

921
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 11: you could probably sell without too much pain, if that

922
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 11: makes sense, Like you're kind of looking at the long

923
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 11: term and relievers are not going to be generally building

924
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 11: blocks for your future, So that is where I would be, Well, guys,

925
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 11: do you have any predictions quickly as to who's gonna

926
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 11: win National League GeSe. I'm sure're looking to pick the

927
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 11: teams you cover, but feel free.

928
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 13: I might hold off though, when I got to see

929
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 13: what the Phillies do with the deadline. But they need

930
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 13: a you know, like I said, they need somebody that

931
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 13: comes in and can get big outs at the end

932
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 13: of games so they win the games they're supposed to win.

933
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 13: They also need Bryce Harper, who's had you know, kind

934
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 13: of a down seasons. He's struggled with a wrist injury.

935
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 13: He's made some real strides recently in terms of feeling

936
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 13: better and producing more. They need him to be Bryce Harper.

937
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 13: They need Schwarber, and they need Alec Bohm, and they

938
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 13: need production from Tray Turner, who's had a very good season.

939
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 13: So I think if the Phillies are gonna win this

940
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 13: division for second straight year, they're gonna win it with

941
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 13: their big guys, the guys that are here having good

942
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 13: second halves and whoever they you know, get as an

943
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 13: addition is going to be a solid compliment. So but

944
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 13: I do think that bullpen compliment is important enough that

945
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off on predicting who wins

946
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 13: it because it's such a tight race right now with

947
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 13: the Mets. I will say this, I think it's gonna

948
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 13: be fascinating. I think that those I know there's a

949
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 13: September mid September series against the Mets, and it's yeah,

950
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 13: it's going to be a great one. So I think

951
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 13: either team could win it.

952
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 6: I really do.

953
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: I agree. I do think either team can win it.

954
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 12: But I think that the Mets need more things to

955
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 12: break right for them to win it. We need a

956
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 12: little bit more luck on our side to win this,

957
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 12: just because of the strength of that Phillies rotation and

958
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 12: the basically guarantee, like you mentioned, Jim, that Dave Dombraski will.

959
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: Go out and plug the biggest hole you guys have.

960
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 12: You will have a new shutdown, high leverage reliever by

961
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 12: this time in August. There's no doubt about it. That's

962
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 12: the kind of general manager he is. We're in the

963
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 12: flip side. That's not exactly the type of general manager

964
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 12: David Stearns is and while this Mets team is getting

965
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 12: up there in age similar sneakily to the Phillies with

966
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 12: Francisco Indoor over at thirty, EP Longs on a one

967
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 12: year contract, Brandon nim over.

968
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: Thirty, most of this rotation over thirty.

969
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 12: I don't see them as having a similar type of

970
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 12: urgency as as what Dave Dobraski has had his entire

971
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 12: career in what they have with this Phillies rosters. So

972
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 12: I do think the Mets might take a bit more

973
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 12: of a trepidacious approach with the trade deadline and really

974
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 12: need the guys in house to take their steps forward.

975
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 12: Someone like Brett Bayes' ascension must continue. Ron Marisio must

976
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 12: get hot, Fiantos has to wake up. For Cisco alivers

977
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 12: back from the miners. I think the Mets will need

978
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 12: a huge contribution from at least two of those four

979
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 12: players I just mentioned to make this race interesting or

980
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 12: just get you know, red hot for a four game

981
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 12: series in Philadelphia September.

982
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, big, get big, big urgency here in Philadelphia. And

983
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 13: there's no way Dombroski, He's been around long enough that.

984
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 6: I know he feels it. I know he hears it.

985
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 13: He's made moves a couple of deadlines here that just

986
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 13: they haven't really paid dividends. There's a lot of pressure

987
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 13: on him to make a big score in that bullpen.

988
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 13: And uh, because this rotation is so good and you

989
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 13: just can't kind of you can't waste this season. You

990
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 13: can't waste the work you're get in from this rotation

991
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 13: because you have a shaky bullpen.

992
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 6: You got to go out and fix it.

993
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 11: All right, guys, that was gonna do it for our

994
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,440
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995
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