Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Awaken Jake. Tearless season is back
Speaker 1: on and we have a special one today. We're talking football,
Speaker 1: not my messy jersey that I'm wearing, but man, we
Speaker 1: are a week away who from football games that matter?
Speaker 1: So hey, maybe you're gonna call it lamestream, but it's
Speaker 1: one of the best exercises of the year. I have
Speaker 1: a group chat that argues over this, I'd say four
Speaker 1: times a year. I'm a big Ryan Orcillo guy. I
Speaker 1: know he just did his his QB Tearless. Who does
Speaker 1: he do it with? I'm gonna have to look that
Speaker 1: guy's name up because I feel awful because it's actually him.
Speaker 1: Mike Floro Florio Florio, excuse me. We are joined by
Speaker 1: Justin Pennock, talking giants, talking football warehouse athletes, and I
Speaker 1: know you're you're juiced up to hear some football opinions
Speaker 1: that aren't Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose because you guys
Speaker 1: have been in the lab recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, football today has been fun over on football,
Speaker 2: where like we did a QB tier list and we
Speaker 2: were kind of basic with our tiers and just seeing
Speaker 2: how your brain here ten minutes before we started record
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, Jake, give me, give me these
Speaker 2: six tiers on what your brain's like and how we're
Speaker 2: going to organize these people. And well, you said this
Speaker 2: is kind of chalk. It's not chalk.
Speaker 1: These categories are not chalk. Well, I think I've already
Speaker 1: thrown you off a little bit because I want to
Speaker 1: start off on a note that I think might lead
Speaker 1: to just a little bit of debate. Not that this
Speaker 1: is an episode of First Jake, but I for me,
Speaker 1: when I think of the NFL quarterback position, I think
Speaker 1: of Patrick Mahomes at the start. Yeah and panic. I
Speaker 1: made the first category, and I'll tell the people the
Speaker 1: tier list and we'll get it on the screen as well.
Speaker 1: You could play along at home. I have the first category,
Speaker 1: as does anyone deserve to be with Pat? And that's
Speaker 1: about our friend Patrick. The second one I labeled as
Speaker 1: could win MVP. Interesting to see where that cono leads.
Speaker 1: I put Joe Flacco. I don't think that's current Joe Flacco,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to label it as like a quarterback
Speaker 1: that you feel excited in a playoff game, Like hey,
Speaker 1: like you have that magic feeling of sports, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want to give too much away. I feel like
Speaker 1: Jared Goff could land there, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: Lions hope this season. He's put good seasons together that
Speaker 1: you know, if the Lions season goes as they're hoping,
Speaker 1: they're hitting the playoffs excited with Jared Goff. The next
Speaker 1: category I have labeled and Joe Flacco had that miracle run.
Speaker 1: People forget. No one's forgotten Joe. Everyone remembers and he's
Speaker 1: still playing football. People forget that was one won my
Speaker 1: fantasy league last year, not for me, but for another guy.
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback. That's insane. Anyways, The
Speaker 1: category below that, and it's currently a big divide, and
Speaker 1: if you've done tearless with us before, you know we
Speaker 1: may add a category if we need to, is that
Speaker 1: it's horrified in a playoff game. I think they're on
Speaker 1: the other side of the scale, whether you're talking maybe
Speaker 1: a Lions or a Browns roster that if you had
Speaker 1: this quarterback, you're more so living in fear of the
Speaker 1: first round exit than the like, wait, can we make
Speaker 1: a run? Below that, I have great backup QB again,
Speaker 1: interested to see how this sorts out right.
Speaker 2: Backup QB is a bit starting qbing.
Speaker 1: And at the bottom of this list. We currently have
Speaker 1: the category labeled bottom of this list. We didn't know
Speaker 1: how rude we want it to be. It's kind of
Speaker 1: not what we're about. Sometimes a name forms. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: see a group of guys and we're like, wait, these
Speaker 1: guys all former Wisconsin Badgers, Russ. I want to start
Speaker 1: at the top, and that starts with Patrick Mahomes, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, and I'm interested to see because everyone knows
Speaker 1: the big I think everyone has a top fours right
Speaker 1: now that it's Mahomes, it's Josh Allen, it's Lamar. Who
Speaker 1: am I missing? Is it those three? And then everyone
Speaker 1: else is in discussion.
Speaker 2: Could those three?
Speaker 1: When you start talking Stroud and everyone else already hurts yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get there, Okay. So I think there's a clear
Speaker 1: top three. I should say, you.
Speaker 2: Know Burrow, A lot of people love Burrow. That's probably
Speaker 2: your clear four right coming off the injury.
Speaker 1: I think with Burrow coming off injury, everyone wants to
Speaker 1: see it. It's supposedly a bit of a weird one too, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's a wrist injury that a lot of people haven't.
Speaker 2: I think he's fine, and he hasn't missed a single practice.
Speaker 2: This is the first time in his career that I
Speaker 2: believe that he hasn't missed a single practice during training camp,
Speaker 2: which we're already off to a much better start.
Speaker 1: Look at that two ways to skin a cat. People.
Speaker 1: You could look at Joe Burrow and say he's got
Speaker 1: a unique wrist injury. You could say this is the
Speaker 1: most training camp football he's played. Where it gets interesting
Speaker 1: to me, it's depending how wide of a scope you
Speaker 1: want to go, because could win m VP. I think
Speaker 1: all the guys we just mentioned everyone's heart would be
Speaker 1: open to that easily. Does anyone deserve to be with Pat?
Speaker 1: Is the feeling? For me? It's the feeling of there's
Speaker 1: two minutes left, you just punted away, your team is
Speaker 1: up four, and what do you think is going to
Speaker 1: happen when it's Mahomes You've prepared to lose? Like that's
Speaker 1: just it.
Speaker 2: There's one guy that I think undoubtedly deserves to be
Speaker 2: with them. Yeah, strashall, but I want to hear you.
Speaker 2: I want to hear your argument in that scenario where
Speaker 2: I understand the interceptions, I understand the recklessness, but in
Speaker 2: that scenario. We're talking about game on the line, right,
Speaker 2: I want Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes under center. And
Speaker 2: I don't think the divide is as dramatic as people
Speaker 2: like to maybe make. It seems Mahomes is there, Mahomes
Speaker 2: is number one, But does anyone deserve to be with Pat?
Speaker 2: Is the category and Josh Allen deserves to be with Pat.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, man. I guess okay, here's what
Speaker 1: I'll need you to talk me off him next, because Mahomes,
Speaker 1: I'm going back to that legendary Bills Chiefs playoff game
Speaker 1: that literally changed overtime rules and one of the best
Speaker 1: offensive football games ever played. I think you could say,
Speaker 1: and where Josh Allen is very different is his running
Speaker 1: is still ferocious. That you know, third and seven, you're
Speaker 1: nervous about what Mahomes can do, and his running and
Speaker 1: elusiveness obviously is still a massive The design stuff too,
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen is a tight end and he's still
Speaker 1: in his prime. That this scenario I laid out the
Speaker 1: full fear my team is about to lose four point
Speaker 1: lead Josh Allen on that third and five if the
Speaker 1: first read isn't there, he almost can run for it instantly,
Speaker 1: We're going the way you have to play defense at
Speaker 1: that point in the game. Josh Allen can can get the.
Speaker 2: Cole A designed run and it's not a it's not
Speaker 2: a bad call, but.
Speaker 1: I would guess this would lead to the next guy
Speaker 1: of Lamar Jackson. Right, does Lamar Jackson not have the
Speaker 1: same fear factor as Josh Allen?
Speaker 2: And I think it comes down to the playoffs. Lamar
Speaker 2: needs to prove in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: How we're talking Rannick baseball, we don't get to talk
Speaker 1: about stuff like that, like Clayton Kershaw starts fight, right,
Speaker 1: How can you talk about the best picture of our
Speaker 1: generation that way? And it's like, well, that's this is
Speaker 1: how we get measured, this is what we're trying to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I can actually process that pretty good.
Speaker 2: I would view like I view if we're talking about
Speaker 2: elite QBS and how how we did not we actually
Speaker 2: did a tear maker football tonight on jam football two
Speaker 2: months ago. Elite good, decent, middling, and backup. So there
Speaker 2: is certainly the like that's more chalk and the categories
Speaker 2: aren't as unique as this I put Mahomes, We're a team.
Speaker 2: I put Mahomes, Alan Burrow, and Jackson all in the
Speaker 2: elite tier. But if we're talking about does anyone deserve
Speaker 2: to be with Pat? And four minutes left you're or
Speaker 2: two minutes left, you're down by four, right, nervous time.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson in the postseason has had these moments that
Speaker 2: it's it's not great. I think the team let him
Speaker 2: down last year. I think Odell kind of let him
Speaker 2: down at certain points last year. Is a Flowers getting
Speaker 2: that fifteen yard penalty when he has a big play
Speaker 2: let him down last year? But still Lamar has some
Speaker 2: bad throws on the postseason that he's got to shake off.
Speaker 2: So not there with Mahomes and Allen. Okay, I I
Speaker 2: don't know if I want to put anybody deserve Does
Speaker 2: anyone deserve to be with Pat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying because I I guess here's
Speaker 1: and this is an impossible question. And that's why I
Speaker 1: like having and you hear, is Josh Allen closer to
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson flash show Burrow?
Speaker 2: I think he's closer to Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I do think you're right.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this, true, I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you this before we put anybody on a teer list.
Speaker 2: How much are you including or how much are we
Speaker 2: including in this teer list? And I think it's best
Speaker 2: practice to not like surrounding circumstances like the fact that
Speaker 2: Mahomes has had Hill Kelsey, Andy Reid Alan does not
Speaker 2: have that, So are it's something that you do. You
Speaker 2: you have to be cognizant of it when you're talking
Speaker 2: about a QB tier list of surrounding situation, of coaching talent,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: It's the beauty of sports, right is that it it
Speaker 1: doesn't count, but it absolutely counts.
Speaker 2: But that's why I like how you boiled it down
Speaker 2: to game on the line. All right, that's our criteria.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing, and I that's where the
Speaker 1: teams are going to have to factor into this because
Speaker 1: you know, if, like I said with my Jared Goff
Speaker 1: example before, if Jared Goff went to the Washington football team,
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, a couple other.
Speaker 2: Teams, those old lines aren't the same.
Speaker 1: I don't think we would have as much belief in
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. But they have those coaches, they have those
Speaker 1: teammates that that's currently where they're at. That it's impossible
Speaker 1: to take it out of the equation, unfortunately, but it
Speaker 1: is a part of the equation. So if Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Allen are top dogs, I'm open to it. The tier
Speaker 1: below obviously starts with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: Yes, so are we?
Speaker 1: Are we locking? Does anyone deserve to be a pet?
Speaker 1: Nothing's locked until the final second of the episode. So
Speaker 1: if you get cold feet about something, you are more
Speaker 1: than welcome to make one more adjustment. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Burrow just a little bit more and see
Speaker 1: where where are you with Joe Burrow?
Speaker 2: I think the Bengals were winning Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 2: That's your Ye're in, I'm in. The Bengals were interesting,
Speaker 2: one of the hotter teams in the NFL. I think
Speaker 2: they went four and one before Burrow suffered that injury
Speaker 2: against the Ravens. I think they suffered it and the
Speaker 2: only loss that they had was to the Houston Texans
Speaker 2: on a last second field goal. But you had them
Speaker 2: beating really good teams like the forty nine ers. Some
Speaker 2: I think the Browns they beat as well in there,
Speaker 2: so some really good teams with some really good defenses,
Speaker 2: and they were going and Zach Taylor Burrow even had
Speaker 2: Callahan two at the times the offense Coordinarty and now
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Titans. They saw what they
Speaker 2: were doing towards the start of the season, and they adjusted.
Speaker 2: They got more explosive, they started throwing the ball even more.
Speaker 2: They trusted Joe Burrow and as soon as he was
Speaker 2: clear from that calf injury, like the second that he
Speaker 2: was lifted, there was no injury designation week five to
Speaker 2: week ten, they were going and I thought they were
Speaker 2: getting hot at the right time. And who knows where
Speaker 2: the Bengals would have went last year if Burrow did
Speaker 2: not get hurt. So I'm choosing them this year. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not shocked if Burrow does win MVP this year.
Speaker 2: So could win MVP.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, it's a I'm gonna say, a sneaky big
Speaker 1: year for Joe Burr. Obviously, everyone knows where they're at
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow. I think the more and more you
Speaker 1: dive into it, that LSU championship gets more and more impressive.
Speaker 1: What we've seen him do on the football field is
Speaker 1: insane that I think he can challenge Mahomes for the
Speaker 1: biggest fear factor.
Speaker 2: It has in the He's challenged Mahomes in the Pad,
Speaker 2: the big the big bad Chiefs. It's the Bengals have
Speaker 2: been the ones that have challenged them, right, and the
Speaker 2: Chiefs got better, and the Chiefs got better unfortunately for
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 1: Man Burrow. And it's tough with injuries and when you
Speaker 1: don't see a guy, but it's kind of it's again
Speaker 1: how the world works if Joe Burrow is back. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I think I think I like the pure nature
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow at his best better than Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: But when you miss some time and Josh Allen you
Speaker 1: just know what you're gonna get, and he's gonna dog it.
Speaker 1: And I think there's times that he even leans on
Speaker 1: the run too too much, and Alan could can be reckless.
Speaker 1: That's where when Burrow, when Mahomes or even Burrow, I
Speaker 1: think at the end of that game, in that situation
Speaker 1: we talk about, you expect just precision. They're gonna get
Speaker 1: the ball to someone Kelsey, They're gonna get it to Chase.
Speaker 1: You don't know how, somehow you've schemed up everything to
Speaker 1: stop this and that's where it gets complicated with the
Speaker 1: coaches and Andy Reid and how good he is and
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's earned a lot of respect in this league.
Speaker 1: I I don't know, you need to be reminded from
Speaker 1: Burrow and I think by week three we could all
Speaker 1: be reminded.
Speaker 2: And staying healthy, I mean that's why the factor. You know,
Speaker 2: if he had that year where you know, if he
Speaker 2: had that year where he's healthy last year, and even
Speaker 2: if they don't go on to win the Super Bowl, right,
Speaker 2: but we could easily have Joe Burrow up there with
Speaker 2: just deserves to be with Pat Mahomes. If he has
Speaker 2: that slow start to the season all right, and then
Speaker 2: we look at it be like, oh, the stupid calf injury,
Speaker 2: and then he just finishes it really strong like he
Speaker 2: was going to between weeks five to ten. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he needs to stay healthy and that offensive line when
Speaker 2: it gets to the postseason, because they like to spread
Speaker 2: it out. They like to only have those five man protections.
Speaker 2: Some of these other quarterbacks like six seven man protections,
Speaker 2: so it allows more time more downfield routes. They got
Speaker 2: to protect him up front when the pass rush is
Speaker 2: going to get amplified in the postseason, and that's what's
Speaker 2: going to define Joe Burrow basically how we've kind of
Speaker 2: viewed Joe Burrows. The run that they had, that these
Speaker 2: quarterbacks having the postseason, that's how we kind of define them.
Speaker 1: And where you are with Lamar.
Speaker 2: Last year was the year.
Speaker 1: Last year was the year. Yeah, you're doing that.
Speaker 2: Last year was the year because the Ravens had everything
Speaker 2: going for them defensively, they lost some key pieces on
Speaker 2: the offensive line. I mean, I'm I'm not an Odell lover.
Speaker 2: I guess you can call me an Odell hater if
Speaker 2: you had to put me, if you had to put
Speaker 2: me in a side, I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 2: want to say I hate any player, because I don't
Speaker 2: hate Ode Beckham junior. But for how I think a
Speaker 2: little overrated he is. I think he's properly rated now.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the Ravens lost him and they didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: replace him. So they have Zay Flowers and then Rashad Bateman,
Speaker 2: who former first round pick. Yeah whatever, they're getting Mark
Speaker 2: Andrews back, and yeah, you have some tight ends that
Speaker 2: can catch the ball, but you lost some key pieces
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. Merrick, Henry bro Mike McDonald is
Speaker 2: now the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, and they
Speaker 2: lost some key defensive players there too. So the Chiefs
Speaker 2: down year was last year. Even zeer where they had
Speaker 2: everything going for them was last year. I'm a little
Speaker 2: worried a little worried about Lamar Jackson and the surrounding
Speaker 2: cast this year. Okay, but they have Derreck Henry and
Speaker 2: they're gonna run the ball and they're gonna be good.
Speaker 2: But are they going to be as good as they
Speaker 2: were last year? Because Jake Warner. What they did last year,
Speaker 2: they kicked the crap out of teams above five hundred.
Speaker 2: That's what they did, right, Like usually you have we
Speaker 2: do this in all sports, your records against good teams,
Speaker 2: your records against bad teams. We're gonna do it with
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott. We're gonna do it with like teams, like
Speaker 2: the quarterback like Tua. It's why they're gonna be down
Speaker 2: in this tier list. They kicked the crap out of
Speaker 2: good teams and that's what defined the Ravens last year.
Speaker 2: They had to finish it and they didn't. But I
Speaker 2: love Lamar. I love Lamar, though man.
Speaker 1: I know you do. I love I was interested to
Speaker 1: see where your angle was gonna land, and I get it.
Speaker 1: You're there's something to a football season coming together that
Speaker 1: is tough to replicate if you're not Patrick Mahomes right here.
Speaker 2: And they like the Bills lean on Josh Allen so
Speaker 2: much and Josh Allen can do it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson can do it now too. But now they're
Speaker 2: in a bit of a different offense where Greg Roman's
Speaker 2: gone Greg Roman back with hardball out in LA. They're
Speaker 2: gonna run the damn ball. But Lamar Jackson were running
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a conventional drop back offense.
Speaker 2: We're running more with three wide receiver sets and less
Speaker 2: big full backs and two tight ends three tight ends,
Speaker 2: So this is more of your conventional drop back offense.
Speaker 2: Can Lamar handle that with even offensive line play going out?
Speaker 2: Because this will be the first time I think in
Speaker 2: a long time that the Ravens won't have a top
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Speaker 1: Could win MVP, I'm now realizing is like a dirty category. Dirty.
Speaker 1: I think there's more names here. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: but I think Lamar and Burrow are also a tier
Speaker 1: above a lot of the guys that I think I
Speaker 1: think are going to get mentioned. But I guess where
Speaker 1: would you start Stroud?
Speaker 2: Let's start with Stroud. I'd put him here and I
Speaker 2: oh there, That's where it gets toff Penne. That's where
Speaker 2: I'm half open to adding another. These four are on
Speaker 2: a different platform.
Speaker 1: They are. They just are, and that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of Tearless right they are.
Speaker 2: But I mean, if Jordan Love could win MVP this year,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts could win MVP like that.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is honestly the name I saw that. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, he could win MVP this year, But
Speaker 1: he should not be with Lamar and Burrow.
Speaker 2: He's one of the top could we just we just
Speaker 2: had a family few videos where he's one of the
Speaker 2: top five.
Speaker 1: Odds add jam football. Okay, so let's rename this. Let's
Speaker 1: do the Jackson and Burrow tier as could be with
Speaker 1: Pat Yeah, I like that could be with Pat which
Speaker 1: would then and then we're adding a roll below ad
Speaker 1: Robe below, and that will be can win MVP. And
Speaker 1: I still like this because as much as I've mentioned
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, I don't think Jared Goff can win the
Speaker 1: MVP this season, right. I mean the Lions would have
Speaker 1: to go fifteen and two. His numbers would have to
Speaker 1: stand with everyone they're going to run the ball. They're
Speaker 1: going to run the ball. That defense would have to
Speaker 1: be electric. I no offense to Jared Goff. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's in that category, but I think CJ. Stroud is.
Speaker 1: So let's list a couple names and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: to them, because I think Stroud everyone is pretty much
Speaker 1: in on Yep. Everyone just wants to see what year
Speaker 1: two looks like Stroud. We have already mentioned Jordan Love Yep.
Speaker 1: I think he deserves to be there. And like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: with the DraftKings lines around with that, who else Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I there's a couple of names that brought
Speaker 1: a weird, little creepy smile to my face that people
Speaker 1: on the YouTube just saw and we're probably like, what
Speaker 1: was that Jalen Hurts absolutely deserves to be on that line.
Speaker 1: Pivotal year for him.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm if he takes another step down the Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts crowd. I feel weird saying this around like Chris
Speaker 2: Rose and Bobby Skinner, because Bobby Skinner sometimes.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like, let this be a safe place for you.
Speaker 2: But I know you're gonna get it. Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: the Eagles have issues and it has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the early down pass. Frequently they're they're running, they're
Speaker 2: running cover one, Cover two, cover creep, But.
Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with that. You think it's their
Speaker 1: quarterback and coach hate each other.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's issues with Big Dom like
Speaker 2: Big Dons coach. Now, Like I there's nothing that I
Speaker 2: could specifically measure, right, but there's just weird vibes because Jake,
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: Ten and one last year, yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: City was burning like it was, oh my god, I like,
Speaker 2: you have the most talented roster in in the league.
Speaker 2: Basically you're ten and one, and yeah, you can make
Speaker 2: some adjustments. I'm sure to play better. But then after
Speaker 2: that point, after they were ten and one, they really
Speaker 2: fell apart, and they really they became a bad football
Speaker 2: team and Hurts can't identify to pick up a bulitz.
Speaker 2: Their coordinators are really bad. So yeah, they got rid
Speaker 2: of the coordinators they brought. They bring in Vicvangio and
Speaker 2: they bring Kellen Moore and I love Vicvangiel, Lovevan and
Speaker 2: I even think Kellen Moore is going to play up
Speaker 2: to his talent and the Eagles have.
Speaker 1: Good Talentangio tier list. I don't know what it's about,
Speaker 1: but I like it.
Speaker 2: And man, I am more like there's they're so talented,
Speaker 2: they have a really good receive, they have a really
Speaker 2: good receiver trio. Now they just traded for Johan Dotts
Speaker 2: and why do the commanders do that? They need a
Speaker 2: slot receiver. I'm just worry they have issues. That's my
Speaker 2: talking point. It makes no sense. It's not analytical, it's
Speaker 2: not off of observation. It's just off of vibes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm where.
Speaker 2: They could fall apart. But he could also win mvping,
Speaker 2: which is a crazy swing.
Speaker 1: I believe in centers. I don't know how much you
Speaker 1: know about this Kelsey being out, Yeah, that's something huge.
Speaker 1: Lane Thomas Lane Johnson's incredible. He usually gets banged up
Speaker 1: at some point. So at some point this year, this
Speaker 1: Eagles O line that's been incredibly dominant will probably be
Speaker 1: without Kelsey and Thomas.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know who they have starting a
Speaker 2: guard right now?
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it looks like McKay Beckton and
Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson.
Speaker 2: You you were you familiar with McKai Beckton at all?
Speaker 2: Remember him from the New York Jets. How big he
Speaker 2: is and he's a tackle and now the Eagles got
Speaker 2: him a guard. Fascinating.
Speaker 1: That being said, for me, I think I think the
Speaker 1: Eagles are going to be back. They should. I think
Speaker 1: the talent on that field and what went on last
Speaker 1: year do they got away from like running the ball
Speaker 1: and that's what opened everything up that I I think
Speaker 1: Jalen will be back. He impressed me a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago with how good his accuracy was, and I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get back to basics a little bit.
Speaker 1: But keep that in the back of your brain that
Speaker 1: it could it could could just blow up. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the thing. Like CJ. Stroud, for what he
Speaker 1: did last year, we should be talking about him on
Speaker 1: tears up. But the problem is.
Speaker 2: I think Stroud is closer to that could be with
Speaker 2: Pat than Jalen Hurts's.
Speaker 1: Yes, but football often just doesn't work like that. Sports
Speaker 1: just often that if you just project CJ. Stroud get
Speaker 1: a little better this year, he's he's going to be incredible.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be insane, And there's a chance. There's also football, baseball,
Speaker 1: every sport fight back some time. They like, we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about Justin Herbert yet, and I think maybe that's
Speaker 1: where people are a little scared. Everyone thought Herbert at
Speaker 1: this point would be next. And it's not like it's
Speaker 1: over for Herbert, but no one's really hot on him
Speaker 1: this saar right.
Speaker 2: So let's so let's first of all, there's a guy
Speaker 2: that's sitting here that I don't feel like needn't have
Speaker 2: a long conversation on, but I want to just get
Speaker 2: him on this list. Rock Perty could win mv ping,
Speaker 2: Rock Purty could win mv P. But I do want
Speaker 2: to talk about Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I want to put brock Purty up there because I
Speaker 1: he could easily be a better quarterback than Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: right right, I know we get hung up on brock
Speaker 1: Party's size, and I think people just don't like that
Speaker 1: he's got kind of a baby face like me sometimes,
Speaker 1: and he's obviously surrounded by riches, some people's favorite coach,
Speaker 1: number one running back. You can the best offensive, the
Speaker 1: tight end, all of it. Yeah, he's in the best
Speaker 1: offensive structure in the world. It's a great way to
Speaker 1: put it that. Yeah, he could outplay I think that
Speaker 1: whole row of quarterbacks in the right season.
Speaker 2: But do I think Brock Party is a better quarter
Speaker 2: than Here's the thing. Do I think Brock Party is
Speaker 2: a better quarterback than like a Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love CG.
Speaker 2: Shroud even throw Justin Herbert in the mix. No, But
Speaker 2: could he win M v P?
Speaker 1: Yes? Right, But I think the only thing I'd counter
Speaker 1: to that is that from what brock Purty has shown
Speaker 1: with what Houston has this year, do you not think
Speaker 1: if brock Purty was in Houston that he could he
Speaker 1: could put together a season?
Speaker 2: You could because you want to. Bobby Slowick was on
Speaker 2: that Wonder Boy twenty eleven Washington staff. All of them
Speaker 2: were in Shanahan, Lafloor, McVeigh, so they all come from
Speaker 2: like that same tree. So yes, I do think that
Speaker 2: Party would under under the similar circumstances of scheme and everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean there's an argument that Jordan Love could
Speaker 1: be the most talent of this crew, but we've only
Speaker 1: seen it for half a season, for being.
Speaker 2: Honest, yeah, not even a whole half.
Speaker 1: And if we if you cannot believe in cjs not not,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say not believe in CJ. Stroud season.
Speaker 1: C J Stroud was awesome, insane. I think it's just
Speaker 1: believing that there could be regression. I think that's fair,
Speaker 1: which is fair. And if you're gonna believe in that
Speaker 1: for CJ. Stroud at all, for Jordan Love for half
Speaker 1: a season, there's potential for that. Who else do you
Speaker 1: think should be on this line?
Speaker 2: Could win m v P? Like I think that. I
Speaker 2: think Herbert is a fascinating discussion because I don't think
Speaker 2: he belongs and could win MVP. And I think I
Speaker 2: think skill wise, if we're basing this off of skill,
Speaker 2: he can win m v P. He is not winning
Speaker 2: an m v P under horrorball. They're gonna run the ball.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a top five rushing this is what
Speaker 2: They're gonna have, top five rushing attack. They're gonna have
Speaker 2: a top they're gonna have a top five rushing attack.
Speaker 2: You're all talking about the side of your mouth volume,
Speaker 2: but efficiency. They may not have a top five rushing attack.
Speaker 1: They definitely won't because people are gonna know they're running right.
Speaker 1: But that's a little bit. And they also have no receivers.
Speaker 1: Know what I did say that about Lad McConkey and
Speaker 1: Josh Palmer. They are one of the most interesting teams.
Speaker 1: I was debating if I want to do teams with
Speaker 1: you or quarterbacks quarterbacks click, Yeah. The Chargers are such
Speaker 1: a great exercise between Harbaugh changing everywhere he's gone pretty
Speaker 1: much immediately. Herbert the first guy Harbaugh signed to his
Speaker 1: staff strength coach nice. They he looks at it like Michigan.
Speaker 1: He wants to run the ball and have big.
Speaker 2: It in San fran too, and does it everywhere he goes,
Speaker 2: does it everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1: It is funny, you know. I was also just listening
Speaker 1: to some fantasy podcast as I've been entered in some
Speaker 1: drafts and we have one week from today, right Captain
Speaker 1: Morgan Playmakers League. It was it was funny to hear, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, one guy was like, I think he was
Speaker 1: saying he likes Josh Palmer, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Keen and all is gone mhm. And he got me
Speaker 1: good because this is how people are talking about the Chargers.
Speaker 1: He's like, they're talking about them like their navy, like
Speaker 1: they're running an option, like they're gonna pass, but they
Speaker 1: have seven they're gonna pass.
Speaker 2: And Justin Herbert is is by far the most talented
Speaker 2: and best quarterback that Horrorball has ever.
Speaker 1: Had to work, right right, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I am guilty of it.
Speaker 1: I love Herbert. I think he currently doesn't land on
Speaker 1: this line. I do think he lands on the Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco line that if they get to the postseason, you
Speaker 1: so people would be about it. I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 1: Goff's already living there. We've done that, Herbert the universe.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel yucky, though. I feel yucky putting
Speaker 2: Jared Goff and Justin Herbert on the same QB tier together.
Speaker 2: Though I feel yucky.
Speaker 1: I understand why, but also why the golf stuff's gotten
Speaker 1: out of control. He's done it with two franchises. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's been talent around him, and like they everyone was
Speaker 1: looking at him like a god at the time, and
Speaker 1: he did swap him out for Stafford and they won.
Speaker 1: So that's like an all time dunk. But now Jared
Speaker 1: Goff is playing really well for what was one of
Speaker 1: the NFL's jokes of a franchise, right, the Lions. People
Speaker 1: love them. Dan Campbell was looked at as a goof. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people were comparing him to Joe Judge. I get it
Speaker 1: that Herbert is the QB out of a lab and
Speaker 1: I think Herbert's going to be on a higher spot
Speaker 1: next season, and I'm excited for that. But for what
Speaker 1: Golf has done, I don't know. We just need to
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, there's a lot of baseball people that
Speaker 1: tune into this. At a certain point, you got to
Speaker 1: get the outs. As a pitcher. Yeah, you can have
Speaker 1: all the arm talent you could do it, at a
Speaker 1: certain point you gotta get outs. Jar Golf's getting outs there.
Speaker 2: Josh Reynolds drop away from beating the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: That drop kind of sealed it for them.
Speaker 1: So not to be full circle. Is Josh Reynolds Navy, No,
Speaker 1: but I think he go to school. I think he's
Speaker 1: a weird one. He may be on your Broncos. Don't No,
Speaker 1: there will be very little Broncos talk today. Uh where
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds go to school? Texas? Am I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what that is. I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2: He is on your Broncos by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that'll be later in the Tierless. That was
Speaker 1: full circle, That'll be later in the Tierless. Who am
Speaker 1: I thinking of? I think there's another Josh or another
Speaker 1: Reynolds anyways.
Speaker 2: Anybody else and could win MVP. I have one? Would
Speaker 2: you beatable? I'd love me, Sir Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: You think he could win m v P. I don't
Speaker 1: think he can. Okay, I don't think at this point,
Speaker 1: but he could go on a run. Absolutely. I I
Speaker 1: think he's clear. I think where he's at age wise.
Speaker 1: I think the dynamics of that offense, I think everything involved.
Speaker 2: You'll see it is a little too recklessly.
Speaker 1: I think you'd love to have him in a postseason game.
Speaker 1: I think he won the Super Bowl with him and
Speaker 1: McVeigh and dude, if Cup and Nikua are healthy and
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: He did jerk in the postseason game, which was his
Speaker 2: roster isn't as good as the Lions, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Matthew is there likes being called Matthew.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from my friend Trevor Sure. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody else could win an MVP. Hey, I've
Speaker 1: got a weird one for you, because sometimes m vps
Speaker 1: are about storylines. Yes, oh, Dak, Oh, where are you
Speaker 1: at with Dak? I have?
Speaker 2: Can I can? I just tell you what?
Speaker 1: Dak?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What tier? I have? Dak? And yeah, horrified at a playoff? Really?
Speaker 2: Now, I think that on a tier of quarterback, I
Speaker 2: put Dak Prescott on the same level as like a
Speaker 2: rock party. I put him in a very similar sentence
Speaker 2: as Jalen Hurts. But if we're going off of this tier,
Speaker 2: I am horrified off Dak Prescott in the playoff, Cain,
Speaker 2: because that's that's exactly why the Cowboys haven't extended him.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: We're playing this game of chicken, and it's dumb because
Speaker 2: they are going to extend him. But that's why they
Speaker 2: haven't extended him.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, and you may be right,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk through this. Prescott. No one
Speaker 1: calls him that, No, Dak Prescott, mister Prescott. I guess
Speaker 1: here's my argument for Joe Flacco with Goff, Herbert and
Speaker 1: Stafford going to run, Dak's gonna put up the stats.
Speaker 1: We've seen it now.
Speaker 2: Dak could also win MVP in a way.
Speaker 1: In a way he can, he can't, not expecting it
Speaker 1: in a way he can.
Speaker 2: Should have won it last year.
Speaker 1: And that's where I started this. I would like storylines
Speaker 1: like if Dak and the Cowboys are twelve and four
Speaker 1: and he has his stats from last year and no
Speaker 1: one else's We've done this song and dance before Jack.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why he can't be up there. I
Speaker 1: do think he should be on the Joe Flacco line.
Speaker 1: That dude, with Dak's current resume, if he went on
Speaker 1: the Matthew Stafford run or the Joe Flacco run, like,
Speaker 1: that's the tier he deserves to be in.
Speaker 2: You're not horrified of him in a playoff game, though
Speaker 2: I am a little bit, so he belongs to the
Speaker 2: horror fight in a playoff game tier.
Speaker 1: Let's save Dak. Let's save him because I think name wise,
Speaker 1: he deserves to be on the Joe Flacco tier. But
Speaker 1: I want to see the rest. The only other one
Speaker 1: is I look down this. There was one that looked.
Speaker 1: I'm scared to ask you this, and that means you know,
Speaker 1: we're at a great part of this exercise. Where do
Speaker 1: you put Aaron Rodgers these days?
Speaker 2: I think you're going to run.
Speaker 1: He could go on to run, right, He's Aaron Rodgers. Yes,
Speaker 1: But even though in a way you would not want
Speaker 1: to see if you're the opposing team, you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to see him in a playoff game.
Speaker 2: Because this is this is also where situation comes in
Speaker 2: where you have to remove. It is Roger with the Jets,
Speaker 2: with that pass rush, is just so scary. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try and remove because Rogers does deserve some of the
Speaker 2: same criticism that a guy like Dak has got. He's
Speaker 2: kind of not been very good in the playoffs. I
Speaker 2: think Rogers are going to run.
Speaker 1: I think Rogers can go on to run. Let's put
Speaker 1: him in there, Let's put him on the Joe Flapper line. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'll do a final.
Speaker 2: You'm an old guy tier GoF Stafford, Rogers and then Herbert.
Speaker 2: You know, Herbert was born one day before me March tenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. I didn't know that you did. I
Speaker 2: just found that out to.
Speaker 1: That's always fun having here. I think my my recent athlete.
Speaker 1: I think Geo Orchello. Yeah yeah, he is he on
Speaker 1: your birth He's either on my birthday or he's a
Speaker 1: year younger than me. Let's see, I have Lewis Brinson's
Speaker 1: page up those that know. No, let's get her Shallow's birthday.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do the scared to start a playoff game.
Speaker 1: Geo or Schella, he's two years younger than me, so
Speaker 1: not perfect on same day though, same exact day. Nice,
Speaker 1: that's nice, nice, horrified in a playoff game, let's scratch
Speaker 1: one instantly that I don't even think we need to
Speaker 1: do it because everyone knows. I think it's Kirk Cousins. Yeah, sir, yep,
Speaker 1: and I I want to be complimentary to Kirk because
Speaker 1: I he puts up stats. I think I've drafted him
Speaker 1: in both my fantasy leagues I've done, which was unplanned,
Speaker 1: but I was just like Kirks when he plays against
Speaker 1: they're gonna play in the dome. They have talent. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm about it. But in a playoff game, especially now
Speaker 1: looking at the tier above him, I would much rather
Speaker 1: have those other four than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you two AFC quarterbacks back to back, Okay,
Speaker 2: Tua and Trevor Lawrence. We're horrified in a playoff game?
Speaker 1: Perfect? Do you forget the Trevor Lawrence comeback, bro.
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and Tua have very similar fourth quarter splits
Speaker 2: and everything like that.
Speaker 1: I've never been on the toa train, and he was
Speaker 1: making it sting a little bit. And it's funny how
Speaker 1: quickly that came back to earth in a way I was.
Speaker 2: I think I was on this show talking them up
Speaker 2: to to is good.
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins are a whole mental exercise we could
Speaker 1: have done, Nick. I would have loved to do an
Speaker 1: episode with you that is just Dolphins, Chargers and Jets, sure,
Speaker 1: because I think you could psychoanalyze those teams for days,
Speaker 1: for days, and maybe we will. I'm with you on Tua.
Speaker 1: I think especially after last year's playoff game, people forget
Speaker 1: how that team gave up.
Speaker 2: Just they just don't beat teams, right. The Dolphins just
Speaker 2: don't beat teams that are about five hundred. They don't,
Speaker 2: and those teams aren't playoff games. R Kirk Cousins, Primetime Stats.
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, I'm with you. I mean, they got off
Speaker 2: to an eight and three start last year and then
Speaker 2: we got hurt. There was some wead luck Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: stuff that I'm very willing to like, Yes, a lot
Speaker 2: of drop balls. There was no quarter. It was like
Speaker 2: not even close, and like EPA lost on drop balls
Speaker 2: last year. A ton of touchdowns somebody made like a
Speaker 2: compilation of it, and it's like, yeah, that that stuff
Speaker 2: is real. And there were also really good Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: throws on those touchdowns too. So I do think Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence is going to be better this year. But Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: there is areas in which he does need to get
Speaker 2: better under pressure physically and metaphorically, like actually under pressure,
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence needs to get better. And then in just
Speaker 2: those high pressure games, he also needs to get better
Speaker 2: in those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where again I keep pointing to my
Speaker 1: guy golf God. You know, Jared Goff's past two seasons
Speaker 1: twenty nine touchdowns, seven interceptions, thirty touchdowns, twelve interceptions.
Speaker 2: Fourth quarter splits are good too, if we're talking about, hey,
Speaker 2: two minutes on the line, four points down, If that's
Speaker 2: still the criteria, Goff's numbers in that situation are good.
Speaker 1: Too that I'm with you on Lawrence. I hope he
Speaker 1: climbs the list. I like him. I think he can
Speaker 1: ball out.
Speaker 2: He deserves it.
Speaker 1: And the Urban Meyer year, I still, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: regard that as one of the rudest things done to
Speaker 1: a quarterback, probably besides what happened to Bryce Young last year. Okay,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, Let's see as I scroll this sheet. Joe Flacco,
Speaker 1: Sean Watson, Caleb Willie. I like, are we in that turn?
Speaker 1: Gino Gino?
Speaker 2: Gino?
Speaker 1: Gino is just as good as these guys. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I would be horrified to having a playoff game. I don't.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's respectful to Geno Smith. But yes,
Speaker 2: like I I don't. I don't want to look at
Speaker 2: I don't want to look at Geno Smith to be like,
Speaker 2: I'm terrified to have you in a playoff game because
Speaker 2: I actually like Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: I think it's been really efficient. I think it's a
Speaker 1: dude that do you think he could go in the
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco do you think now? Do you think Gino
Speaker 1: could lead exactly? I think those I think those other
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks and Joe Flacco, Golf, Herbert Stafford Rogers. I
Speaker 1: think they could win a Super Bowl and go on
Speaker 1: that run. I don't think Gino can, and I like
Speaker 1: you know too, I think they kind of they sneaky
Speaker 1: ball out up there.
Speaker 2: I also I also I really love where the Seahawks
Speaker 2: are heading just as a team too. You know, Mike
Speaker 2: McDonald's you know, talked about him earlier defense scoring there
Speaker 2: for the Ravens. They really developed a lot of talent
Speaker 2: over the years with the Ravens. I mean that's and
Speaker 2: that's what that Seahawks defense has, like you wouldn't believe,
Speaker 2: Like Seaks defense has been bad, like really really bad.
Speaker 2: But they have names up and down and I think
Speaker 2: McDonald's gonna get him in a good spot. And then offensively,
Speaker 2: I love that Pete Carle. I kind of love that
Speaker 2: Peek Carol's not there anymore because if Gino Smith is
Speaker 2: good at throwing the ball, then let Gino Smith throw
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 1: Let him throwing early downs. You have really good receivers.
Speaker 2: He's not that official jsn Lockett Metcalf like, let those
Speaker 2: guys work out of eleven personnel and and rock and roll.
Speaker 1: Nola Fant Yeah, still there I believe so like him.
Speaker 1: Part of the Russell Wilson good with the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands. Yeah, he was. Where does Kyler Murray go?
Speaker 2: It's a shame because that now we're getting to quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that I like, right, But I feel it's rude saying
Speaker 2: I'm horrified of you in a playoff game. Pe, You
Speaker 2: want to know what it is true? With Kyler Murray,
Speaker 2: we're a little bit. We're gonna put him there. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of quarterbacks that are gonna be
Speaker 2: in this in this category by the way, where I
Speaker 2: may even want to add another one.
Speaker 1: But I like Kyler. I really love Kyler.
Speaker 2: This year, Bobby Skinner's been calling the Arizona Cardinals of
Speaker 2: like a fantasy football team, like the fantasy football offense
Speaker 2: right where it's like they have Marv James Connor super efficient.
Speaker 2: They drafted Trede Benson. Trey was like top three in
Speaker 2: Yorks and run with tight ends last year. Even Michael
Speaker 2: Wilson and Greg Dortch, Nate Nate Tice is a big
Speaker 2: Greg Dortsch guy. With Greg, he's a big Dorch guy.
Speaker 2: Just sounds weird, Just doesn't sound like you should be
Speaker 2: a good football player with this named Dorsch sounds like
Speaker 2: if I'm calling you like something rude, Hey you Dorch, Like.
Speaker 1: It's a weird connection letters. If someone told you Dorsch
Speaker 1: was like an Austrian swear, he'd be like, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is gonna have a good year. Kyler Murray
Speaker 2: is gonna have a very, very fun year. That defense
Speaker 2: may be bad, but Kyler we may be looking at
Speaker 2: the end of the year being like, Kyler Murray's back.
Speaker 1: I hope so he's electric when he's right. I hate
Speaker 1: to do this to a small guy. I don't think
Speaker 1: he can make it through a full season, like I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair of the people on this row.
Speaker 1: I think the concerns are less football and more like
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray could take a hit in the first quarter
Speaker 1: and we've seen him. You literally watch him and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's not the same that's not the same guy, like
Speaker 1: the lightning bug that almost does whatever he wants on
Speaker 1: a field, And then you'll watch him for a whole
Speaker 1: game and you'll be like, well, he's not right right now,
Speaker 1: he's small man. This will be a whole year. Though.
Speaker 2: We had an off season where we're not rehabbing, right,
Speaker 2: We're not worrying about that. Arvin Harrison and I think
Speaker 2: we finally have a franchise that we have the team
Speaker 2: over there where, you know what, they may not believe
Speaker 2: in him long term, but at least they're not in
Speaker 2: his ear being like you may not be here, you
Speaker 2: may not be here, we may move on for where
Speaker 2: I think there's a team that's confident in him. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're under contract, you're here, man, let's rock and roll
Speaker 2: with you. So I'm really excited for what the Cardinals
Speaker 2: can do, and I'm even more excited to see what
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray could do because I think he is a
Speaker 2: I think he's an A. I think he's above average quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. He performs when he's like this
Speaker 1: list would be very different. In like one game do
Speaker 1: or die you need to win, Kyler would start climbing
Speaker 1: this list pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Had the prime of his career so far. With Cliff
Speaker 2: Kingsbury and DeAndre Hopkins running an out route. Watch the
Speaker 2: Commanders this year now that the Cliff Kingsbury's over there,
Speaker 2: Watch the Commanders this year with you know, Jaden Daniels
Speaker 2: and Terry McLaurin just running out routes to the sigdnline,
Speaker 2: throwing screens and then all right, we'll include the tight
Speaker 2: end every once in a while. That that's what that
Speaker 2: offense is going to be. It's what the offense was
Speaker 2: in Arizona, and I think Murray Hopkins and everybody made
Speaker 2: it look much better than it really was.
Speaker 1: So I'm not a big Kingsbury guy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not either.
Speaker 1: I think he's I used to get into Twitter fights
Speaker 1: on it, but I think he's gotten. He gets extra
Speaker 1: love in this life because he's a handsome guy.
Speaker 2: That's sure.
Speaker 1: So do you Mike Leach out coached him every step
Speaker 1: of the way and didn't get the same opportunities. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that's for another time. And I kind of like Cliff,
Speaker 1: so I'm rooting for maybe I'm part of it. I
Speaker 1: think we need to add a category quick before horrified
Speaker 1: in a playoff game or after excuse me, ad a
Speaker 1: row below. I think we just need to lump the
Speaker 1: young guys quick, because it's rude to call them great
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks yet unless you want to put Caleb or
Speaker 1: Jaden or anyone on there.
Speaker 2: I almost wanted to put Caleb and could go on
Speaker 2: a run.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I'd be killed for that. It
Speaker 1: would be destroyed. I'm just not dude. You're a rookie
Speaker 1: until you're not. Bro That's fair, you know. I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, maybe that's it. You're a rookie till
Speaker 1: you're not. You're a rookie until you're not. Because I
Speaker 1: like Jayden, I don't love bo. But hey, c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud got lost in the mix. Last year. All the
Speaker 1: talk was about the other young quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas were supposed to have a top five pick
Speaker 2: again and he just bawled out.
Speaker 1: So all right, this is a lame cop out, but
Speaker 1: we also did need to start start moving in.
Speaker 2: I love Caleb though. I'm so excited for Caleb. You're
Speaker 2: in every day, every week. Every week there is going
Speaker 2: to be a throw and a play, even if they
Speaker 2: don't win. Caleb Williams is going to be very fun
Speaker 2: television every single week. And if you're a sports fan, Now,
Speaker 2: if you're a football fan that wants to critique things
Speaker 2: and pooh poo on that, then go ahead have your fun.
Speaker 2: But if you're a person that just likes being entertained
Speaker 2: by fun, athletes doing insane nuts so things. Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: is going to do that every single week. And I
Speaker 2: also am not convinced that. Like I get a little
Speaker 2: excited about Bonex, get a little excited you want or
Speaker 2: know what? Because I think I think as time has on,
Speaker 2: we're seeing Russell Wilson with the Steelers. I just named
Speaker 2: their starter, by the way, Yeah, and that may be
Speaker 2: nasty maybe nasty work. Like I don't think I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody won that job in Pittsburgh. I think they
Speaker 2: just all right, we have to give it to somebody, Right,
Speaker 2: And you saw how efficient Russ was last year, and
Speaker 2: that could have been in spite of Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Right, I get it.
Speaker 2: How many sacks he takes b Nicks is bo Nicks
Speaker 2: is at least going to keep an offense on schedule
Speaker 2: and will not take them off schedule. Now, will they
Speaker 2: score a lot of points because they're not explosive? Probably not?
Speaker 2: But will they be a watch and maybe even a
Speaker 2: better watch? I would maybe say yes, because Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: I don't know everything. I think we're going to find
Speaker 1: out this year that Sean Bayton deserves a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a finger point than he's currently getting in
Speaker 1: the Ross situation in a bad way or in a
Speaker 1: bad way, Okay, again, I don't I think it could
Speaker 1: wind up looking very good. It could. I fully get
Speaker 1: that side of it. And he was all about bon
Speaker 1: Nix and who knows if that's just believe or maybe
Speaker 1: he sees something because he saw something and drew the
Speaker 1: whole thing, I get it. There were some weird play
Speaker 1: calls last year that for me that felt like Peyton,
Speaker 1: which was a reflection of Wilson but was also Peyton.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I just need to
Speaker 1: see that sort out there. There were there.
Speaker 2: I think we even have a conversations of is this
Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos or is this the Sean Payton football team?
Speaker 1: Well, people know where I stand on the on side kick?
Speaker 2: Had you off from there?
Speaker 1: Uh so, I think this is where you're gonna start
Speaker 1: having fun panic Okay, because you're a rookie until you're not.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, bo Nicks, Shad and Daniels, the three. Let's
Speaker 1: see that. Drake may obviously Drake, is there a QB here?
Speaker 2: He may not play.
Speaker 1: I think I'm putting Anthony Richards in there.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. I put a five dollars bet
Speaker 2: on Anthony Richmond win MVP this year.
Speaker 1: Could hit.
Speaker 2: And I and I don't feel bad about losing.
Speaker 1: Could end up on a very different path. Man, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be good. But this tier, I
Speaker 1: guess kind of a rookie.
Speaker 2: Dude, because it's it's it's upside that I'm not banking
Speaker 2: on Anthony Richmond in terms of but you like Caleb's
Speaker 2: what I've seen for a very for their skill set exactly,
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen it yet. So rookie, So till
Speaker 2: you're not your rookie, till you're not. Richard just needs
Speaker 2: to say health and that's where we always find we're
Speaker 2: suffering two different injuries in the same game. Like we
Speaker 2: need to we need to not do that.
Speaker 1: There was someone else.
Speaker 2: We don't have Dak Prescott in a tier.
Speaker 1: Yet, no, and you know he's this is where we
Speaker 1: can go back. There was someone else that made me
Speaker 1: laugh about potentially putting him. I mean, unfortunately, like we
Speaker 1: don't need to put McCarthy or Panics on this list.
Speaker 2: I don't think so I'd like me to put them
Speaker 2: on that tier because that's where they'd go if we're
Speaker 2: placing them, I guess.
Speaker 1: But it would go. We'll see if we need it
Speaker 1: for the graphic. Even. Oh, the one I wanted to
Speaker 1: put in there as a gag that I kind of
Speaker 1: believe in is Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: I have him as a great backup.
Speaker 1: QB. You're probably right. I just thought that'd be funny
Speaker 1: if he's People have been on the Sam Donald hype
Speaker 1: train now for half a decade.
Speaker 2: I think I was watching a clip from ESPN Meta Times.
Speaker 2: Nay Tys was on that clip too, and maybe it
Speaker 2: was Charles McDonald. They were all talking about the Sam
Speaker 2: Donald where it's like, all right, well you know that
Speaker 2: not not even if it's the opposite of the saying
Speaker 2: that my father used to say, if a thousand out
Speaker 2: of boys and one, oh shit, what do you get
Speaker 2: remembered for? You get remembered for the for the obleep,
Speaker 2: And with Donald, it's kind of the opposite where people
Speaker 2: will look.
Speaker 1: At did you curse? Then bleep it out?
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I know. We're a Dan Patrick vehicle now,
Speaker 2: so I don't know what we're allowed to do, not though,
Speaker 2: but people love to look at Sam Donald's four three
Speaker 2: good plays that he has in the game and ignore
Speaker 2: the you know, the thirty other ones.
Speaker 1: That exist with you. Yeah, the only part that scares
Speaker 1: me about this year I am a Kevin O'Connell man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yes, Edding Aaron Jones justin Jefferson like gues,
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is going to elevate. It does elevate everything.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put him in the rookie category.
Speaker 1: That's making not Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: He's kind of the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I might overrule you on
Speaker 1: that one. It makes me laugh. Okay, how old Sam is? Sam?
Speaker 2: Is this like a rebirth of Sam Donald?
Speaker 1: Is that what it could be? Right? I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: this is the guy baptism Everyone that I know that
Speaker 1: respects footballer talks about football in a way I believe in.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Sam Donald. If the find if there's a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to do by him, the guy that
Speaker 1: figures it out later in his career, everyone would put
Speaker 1: it on Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: I would personally put it on Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: Stop it is, he's still in the league.
Speaker 2: We'll find his way back.
Speaker 1: Sam. Do you want to put Sam Donald and rookie
Speaker 1: till you're not. It's kind of like a this is
Speaker 1: a new beginning for it as a goof. But yes,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it because I believe in Kevin O'Connor. Like
Speaker 1: this is the final Donald season for me. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't do okay, yeah baker ish levels, he's on a
Speaker 1: one year deal, then it doesn't do it this year
Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell, the offense they have set up. Like
Speaker 1: I saw Josh Dobbs have good games last year. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: like this is his last rookie season. Sorry to get
Speaker 1: emotional about that.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: There's still a lot qbs we have to go through, Jake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Let I think we got to start quick.
Speaker 1: Where would you put Baker horrified in a playoff game?
Speaker 1: Do we get past that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, I put Baker there? Do you want to burn
Speaker 2: off some great backup qbs?
Speaker 1: I would love if if Baker did have the run
Speaker 1: from Hell and him just like the basically like a
Speaker 1: Replacements movie with Baker Mayfield where he brings a team
Speaker 1: I want him to I would I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's this year, it's probably not. Nobody's really in on
Speaker 1: the bucks. If he could have a Mark Sanchez season
Speaker 1: where he's on a good team that goes to like
Speaker 1: the championship game.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not this Bucks team, That's not this
Speaker 2: But I will say I actually, even though Canalis is
Speaker 2: now the new coach of the Panthers and he technically
Speaker 2: got an upgrade, I actually like the fact that he
Speaker 2: moved on from Baker because they ran the ball on
Speaker 2: early downs and it didn't really work out for them.
Speaker 2: They get Cohen from LA so you have a McVey
Speaker 2: mind kind of coming in and being like, we're gonna
Speaker 2: do things a different way. So I'm excited for Baker,
Speaker 2: and I don't think the divide between the Bucks and
Speaker 2: the Falcons is as wide and dramatic as maybe people
Speaker 2: seem to make it.
Speaker 1: Let's shoot through some backups. I think I've I've got
Speaker 1: like five minutes, so I think we start right.
Speaker 2: So here can I I'll just a great back great
Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks Marcus Marriotta, Sure, Joe Flacco, Gardner minshew, yep,
Speaker 2: I'm putting Justin Fields. I'm putting Field and Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: a great backup. Heure, here's an argument for us for
Speaker 2: the bottom of the list.
Speaker 1: But I won't fight you right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, I am putting James Winston as a great backup
Speaker 2: quarterback and I'm going to stop there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, where's de Shaun Watson? Go dude?
Speaker 2: I want to put him bottom of the list. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: I'm putting in bottom the list. Let's do it because
Speaker 2: he has been that bad. Like, remove everything that's soundings,
Speaker 2: remove everything surrounding Toshan Watson. He has been that bad.
Speaker 2: I want to get the stats for one second. Do
Speaker 2: you wonder how much he's getting paid over the next
Speaker 2: four years? And the Browns can't do anything about it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a lot, and fully guaranteed they.
Speaker 2: Can't do anything about it. It's it's not coming up.
Speaker 2: But my guess is sixty two million dollars.
Speaker 1: He was five and one last year.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sorry?
Speaker 1: Can Bryce Young be a rookie till he's not? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I was right.
Speaker 2: Sixty three point seven million dollars over the next one two, three,
Speaker 2: three years and they can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is a rookie till he's not. Should Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson be great backup? Qv I mean Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 1: Russ Wilson, right, now, come on, what's the difference?
Speaker 2: Okay, but then who is the bottom?
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Where's Will Levis? He's a rookie
Speaker 1: till he's not.
Speaker 2: He is. He had a nice little sample last year,
Speaker 2: but I do want to put him in the rookie
Speaker 2: year now. I actually I'm very excited about Will love us. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's he's another one where like Sam Darnold, where I
Speaker 2: I like Will Levis more just because he's younger. So
Speaker 2: you know how people like ignore the bats off with
Speaker 2: Sam Dornop but like the good. It's the same thing
Speaker 2: with Will Levis. I pretend I do not see the bad,
Speaker 2: but the good is so fun where it's like throws
Speaker 2: off platform and both of our feet are off the
Speaker 2: ground and it's like mahomie.
Speaker 1: Hey, Derek Carr never got.
Speaker 2: Played, Derek Carr never got placed rookie. You see, you're
Speaker 2: starting to get it horrified somebody else You're closest situation
Speaker 2: horrified in a playoff. I think he's he's close to great.
Speaker 2: I think I think the Saints win like five games
Speaker 2: this year. I think they tumble. But I also don't
Speaker 2: think he's a great backup QBG. So that's why I
Speaker 2: want to put him on rookie too. You're not.
Speaker 1: I can't put a car and rookie till you're I know,
Speaker 1: I know Arnold, I can m h. I'll put him
Speaker 1: in great backup. Okay, because dude, if they are bad
Speaker 1: this year, I don't think anybody I think I believe
Speaker 1: in then he is like this is kind of it, like.
Speaker 2: Really, like really think about it. If you're listening to
Speaker 2: those it sounds outrighteous, but are you really gonna blink
Speaker 2: at it looking at the rest of these looking at
Speaker 2: the rest of these guys? So that leaves two quarterbacks
Speaker 2: left for me. Okay, uh, Dak Prescott and Daniel.
Speaker 1: John's Where are you putting Daniel.
Speaker 2: Rookie too?
Speaker 1: You're not? Ah, you found the escape valve. You can
Speaker 1: say what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: I people are acting like Daniel Jones's twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: season and him being JaMarcus Russell is the norm. It's
Speaker 2: not the norm. Daniel Jones is not the same quarterback
Speaker 2: as he was in twenty twenty three. But the main
Speaker 2: thing that I'm worried about heading into and heading into
Speaker 2: this year is is this confidence shot right, Like between
Speaker 2: the neck injuries, the acl there's whispers in his head.
Speaker 2: No matter how much you think an athlete can ignore
Speaker 2: it or not, there's whispers in his head being like,
Speaker 2: the Giants want to move on from you one year
Speaker 2: after giving you this massive forty million dollar contract a year,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I'm worried that it could get to
Speaker 2: him and it could impact his confidence as a quarterback,
Speaker 2: even if he can make decent throws and do go stuff.
Speaker 1: So, Jake, you do it. I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it.
Speaker 2: I cannot put Daniel Jones where maybe he belongs on
Speaker 2: this list. You do it.
Speaker 1: There's a great backup QB argument there.
Speaker 2: Is, But I also I'd also don't want to act
Speaker 2: like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: I can't. Daniel Jones is better than all of these
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: He better than Derek Carr, right, But he's better than
Speaker 2: Mariota Flacco, Minshew Wilson, Fields and Winston. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: So you do it. I'm gonna do you a favor
Speaker 1: because you've done me a favor being on this show. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie till he's not great.
Speaker 2: Another reborn player, Milik Neighbors reborn we have two capable
Speaker 2: tackles reborn and.
Speaker 1: You know what, let's put Let's put Deshaun up on
Speaker 1: great backup QBS. So we have the Steelers quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: the Browns quarterbacks on there.
Speaker 2: So who are you putting at the bottom of this list?
Speaker 2: I think we're just deleting it. We're deleting bottom of
Speaker 2: this list.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of like the idea of having one person
Speaker 2: at the bottom list.
Speaker 1: I know, but then it would have.
Speaker 2: Anti thing, which kind of isn't an I know. And
Speaker 2: but for some of the names.
Speaker 1: We just pop Zach Wilson down there. That scratching it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be He's saying all
Speaker 1: the right things in Broncos camp panic.
Speaker 2: Where are we putting dok Prescott? Can we put him
Speaker 2: in horrified in a playoff game of calling an episode?
Speaker 1: That would? I mean, I just elevated Daniel Jones. You
Speaker 1: don't think he could go on a run? Ever, you
Speaker 1: don't think he could go on a run.
Speaker 2: Till he shows me otherwise. But you want to know
Speaker 2: what for a you did me a favor? I think
Speaker 2: I have to I'll do you a favorite. Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott Joe Flacco could go on a run.
Speaker 1: All Right, the final tier list is done. Does anyone
Speaker 1: deserve to be with Pat? Mahomes and Allen could be
Speaker 1: with Pat? Jackson and Burrow can win m v P
Speaker 1: Stroud Love Hurts party that Joe Flacco can go on
Speaker 1: that playoff run. Your team dreams about golf. Herbert Stafford, Rogers,
Speaker 1: Prescott horrified in a playoff game. Cousins to uh, Trevor, Lawrence, Gino, Kyler, Murray, Baker, Mayfield,
Speaker 1: you're rookie till you're not. Caleb Williams, bo Nicks, Daniels,
Speaker 1: may Richardson, Donald Levis, Young and Jones. I'll put put
Speaker 1: Donald and Jones next to each other and a great
Speaker 1: backup quarterback Marriotta Flacco, Minshew Fields, Wilson, Winston Watson, and
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. Justin Pannick. Thank you very much for joining us.
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